"what is the role of explicit study of language? It helps you notice the features in the input" YEEESSS. that has been my experience. When I have lessons in grammar & then later can hear it in my input sessions it's WAY more powerful than just hearing something & trying to make a mental note to myself
Thank you so much for doing all these interviews, allowing us non-academics access to knowledge. You should write a book, have the same questions answered by different Professors!
I can't wait to watch the interview with Stephen Krashen. I tried different combinations with different languages and I came to the conclusion that Stephen Krashen is right, 100% it is the input that really works. The main key is to choose the input that is comprehensible and passes the emotional filter.
I’ve been experimenting on myself with comprehensible input alone to learn French (false beginner, 4 months in). I concluded that it’s possible to infer a good deal of grammar rules through CI, but there’re certain rules that I am vaguely aware of, but just can’t figure it out clearly. It’d be way more EFFECTIVE if I had explicitly learned grammar on these. I guess a good mind model is to regard grammar as a cheat sheet, it’s not worth lots of your time but it’s definitely helpful (sometimes even crucial if you got blocked) to take a peek
Grammar for me is about closing a circle. With lots of input you are somewhere between most the way there or mist the way there but the conscious rule with examples closes the circle, leading to effective acquisition which is strengthened by further exposure.
@@cpnlsn88 Well said! My analog is putting together the last pieces of puzzle. Through exposure the picture is mostly clear, but I am definitely not satisfied with a couple holes in it.
Indont know where this false that you are not allowed to look out the grammar comes from. Input theory doesn't claim that you should never look at the grammar, but that it is useless to learn grammar rule and déclinaisons by heart. Of course checking grammar lessons, especially after having encountered lots of input, helps make sense of some part and recognise it.
I really enjoyed this interview for the atmosphere of respect and honest curiosity and Dr. Newton's explanation of linguistic concepts. I learned a lot as a language learner as well as a kindergarten teacher. Thank you very much.
I own an English training center in China that preps students to live and study in the USA, the UK, Canada, and Australia. We have been very successful in placing students in top 2% of world universities. Our average SAT student scores 1530 and our average TOEFL student will score 112. Input is essential, but it must be coupled with vocab learning, speaking and any and all exposure to the language. Krashen would agree. Input obviously isn't enough.
@@David-b4l Get Shawn Patel's materials. I've used it as a big part of our curriculum. Our average Chinese student here in Henan will achieve a score of 1530. This is my recommendation.
As an intermediate language learner, I completely agree that vocabulary is the sticking point preventing me from wanting to engage in more speaking practice. I dig the guest's point that you have to practice what you want to be good at, but I have no interest in having more superficial conversations, or constantly interrupting the conversation with ("How to you say X in language Y ??"). My biggest difficulty when speaking is trying to actively recall, in conversations, the 70% of vocabulary that I already know (i.e. have encountered and can recognize), but don't occur frequently enough in conversations, that it's "available for output". Do folks have ideas as to how, given Zipf's Law wrt language, how to structure a 1:1 speaking activity with a tutor in a way that boosts/forces the usage of the 'lower' frequency words while tamping down the temptation to crutch with 'high' frequency words ...?
In graduate school in mathematics, I picked up a 500 page advanced mathematics text and was able to read it without having studied French. I sometimes needed to look up a two-letter word in my pocket French dictionary. I was exposed to INTERESTING, COMPREHENSIBLE INPUT. I could not ask "where is a bathroom".
Subscribed because I like the interviews and they’re interesting Could you interview someone about using blooms taxonomy and whole part whole for language and general learning?
Teachers will still have a role! Everything you can learn, you can learn online for free, and you can learn in libraries for free. People still pay teachers to teach them.
11:20 Ah oui, ce fameux désaccord sur l’apprentissage des langues parmi les scientifiques c’est vraiment ennuyant…🙃 Ce n'est pas pour être importun, mais je me demandais si un jour tu pourrais converser avec quelqu'un d'entre eux, ce serait cool… Those are rather pro Krashen’s approach guys. Joel from jan Telakoman, Elise from Hyperpolyglotting with Élise, James from Future Multilingual, Vladimir from Virtually Native, just to name a few… Merci et bonne continuation...
@@loistalagrand Hey Lois. It would be interesting to hear his opinion on reading and listening efficiency. I mean which way of getting input is more effective and efficient for an adult language learner. What gives us more benefits one hour of reading or one hour of listening?
Honestly, hearing that he learns French by using Duolingo makes his opinion a bit less trustworthy. Also, SK says that learning grammar or in other words looking for the syntax while we are reading or listening to something, etc. is only good to create a system that helps to self-check what we wrote - because when you speak you just don't have the time to do so - but by doing this you might be able to get more input/repetition with the thing where you have issues - but it is kind just a small thing next to the fact that comprehensible input is the number one, most important thing when we would like to acquire a language. So he talks about what Jonathan talks about here. I think grammar and vocab drills can make our input more comprehensible - so they can help, but it always comes down to comprehensible input.
There’re plenty of AI summary tools out there. Just wanna point out: reading TLDR only is just a waste of time, why bother if ya gonna forget anyway. The only effective way of using TLDR, is to sit through the whole learning process and spend the time writing up a TLDR afterwards for yourself. This is essential the Feynman method. The false assumption that one can “learn” by reading condensed gist of information is harmful. It’s the junk food of this “infobesity” era. We can only process that information, but we can’t learn from it.
@@vincentcheung1876 God save society from the Twitter plague :chuckles: The lack of ability to focus and persist will eventually drag us back down to an agrarian level as the expert skills required to maintain technological civilisation will be lost.
I have met Newton at conference in Malaysia. I found him a most unpleasant person. He deals mostly with very advanced learners of English and doesn't know very much about dealing with EFL beginners OK, he might have done it at the beginning of his career for a bit in China. Look to the latest versions of grammar in formal linguistics--THERE ARE NO RULES.
@@loistalagrand Sometimes it's like your guest is talking about some points for the first time in his life and his is rambling instead of presentation a clear vision.
"what is the role of explicit study of language? It helps you notice the features in the input" YEEESSS. that has been my experience. When I have lessons in grammar & then later can hear it in my input sessions it's WAY more powerful than just hearing something & trying to make a mental note to myself
Thanks for sharing!
I think your channel is really great, I have been noticing the hard work ypu put on get really an accurate content. So thanks very much
Glad you like it!
Thank you so much for doing all these interviews, allowing us non-academics access to knowledge. You should write a book, have the same questions answered by different Professors!
I can't wait to watch the interview with Stephen Krashen. I tried different combinations with different languages and I came to the conclusion that Stephen Krashen is right, 100% it is the input that really works. The main key is to choose the input that is comprehensible and passes the emotional filter.
I’ve been experimenting on myself with comprehensible input alone to learn French (false beginner, 4 months in). I concluded that it’s possible to infer a good deal of grammar rules through CI, but there’re certain rules that I am vaguely aware of, but just can’t figure it out clearly. It’d be way more EFFECTIVE if I had explicitly learned grammar on these. I guess a good mind model is to regard grammar as a cheat sheet, it’s not worth lots of your time but it’s definitely helpful (sometimes even crucial if you got blocked) to take a peek
Thanks for sharing!
Grammar for me is about closing a circle. With lots of input you are somewhere between most the way there or mist the way there but the conscious rule with examples closes the circle, leading to effective acquisition which is strengthened by further exposure.
@@cpnlsn88 Well said! My analog is putting together the last pieces of puzzle. Through exposure the picture is mostly clear, but I am definitely not satisfied with a couple holes in it.
Couldn't agree More. Most interested in the idea to treat grammar as a cheat sheet.
Indont know where this false that you are not allowed to look out the grammar comes from.
Input theory doesn't claim that you should never look at the grammar, but that it is useless to learn grammar rule and déclinaisons by heart.
Of course checking grammar lessons, especially after having encountered lots of input, helps make sense of some part and recognise it.
I really enjoyed this interview for the atmosphere of respect and honest curiosity and Dr. Newton's explanation of linguistic concepts. I learned a lot as a language learner as well as a kindergarten teacher. Thank you very much.
Glad you enjoyed the interview!
I own an English training center in China that preps students to live and study in the USA, the UK, Canada, and Australia. We have been very successful in placing students in top 2% of world universities. Our average SAT student scores 1530 and our average TOEFL student will score 112. Input is essential, but it must be coupled with vocab learning, speaking and any and all exposure to the language. Krashen would agree. Input obviously isn't enough.
@murphy903 can you recommend any resources for achieving a high SAT score
@@David-b4l Get Shawn Patel's materials. I've used it as a big part of our curriculum. Our average Chinese student here in Henan will achieve a score of 1530. This is my recommendation.
@@murphy903 Thank you
Bravo! Same here.
Lois, consider doing a focused video or interview on explicit vs. implicit knowledge/learning, as it clarifies the language learning debate.
As an intermediate language learner, I completely agree that vocabulary is the sticking point preventing me from wanting to engage in more speaking practice. I dig the guest's point that you have to practice what you want to be good at, but I have no interest in having more superficial conversations, or constantly interrupting the conversation with ("How to you say X in language Y ??"). My biggest difficulty when speaking is trying to actively recall, in conversations, the 70% of vocabulary that I already know (i.e. have encountered and can recognize), but don't occur frequently enough in conversations, that it's "available for output". Do folks have ideas as to how, given Zipf's Law wrt language, how to structure a 1:1 speaking activity with a tutor in a way that boosts/forces the usage of the 'lower' frequency words while tamping down the temptation to crutch with 'high' frequency words ...?
If I remember correctly, I talked about this with the next guest (I'll post the video next week).
Hey! When you are going to interview Jeff McQuilan, please ask him about fossilized mistakes and correcting errors and what we can do about that
I will!
Another wonderful interview Lois...amazing stuff. 😃
Please keep up this great work, I tell anyone I can about your channel.
Richard from Ireland. 😊
Thanks Richard!
I really like these interviews. The editing looks weird, though, the fact that lots of phrases get cut off.
An excellent interview. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
subscribed and liked. Fanstatic content and much appreciated.
In graduate school in mathematics, I picked up a 500 page advanced mathematics text and was able to read it without having studied French.
I sometimes needed to look up a two-letter word in my pocket French dictionary. I was exposed to INTERESTING, COMPREHENSIBLE INPUT. I could not ask "where is a bathroom".
Technical books are sometimes easier to understand. I guess the vocabulary and the topics don't vary too much.
Because it’s French.
Try doing the same in Russian or German.
@@tessmaru7285 German is easy enough. But chinese or Japanese is impossible.
Excellent 👌
Subscribed because I like the interviews and they’re interesting
Could you interview someone about using blooms taxonomy and whole part whole for language and general learning?
You're amazing ❤❤
Thanks
Hi Loïs, thanks for the good content! One question: when is the French deck going to be available? Cheers!
Hi, it is already available at store.ankicoredecks.com/
Teachers will still have a role! Everything you can learn, you can learn online for free, and you can learn in libraries for free. People still pay teachers to teach them.
Yes, I think so.
11:20 Ah oui, ce fameux désaccord sur l’apprentissage des langues parmi les scientifiques c’est vraiment ennuyant…🙃 Ce n'est pas pour être importun, mais je me demandais si un jour tu pourrais converser avec quelqu'un d'entre eux, ce serait cool… Those are rather pro Krashen’s approach guys. Joel from jan Telakoman, Elise from Hyperpolyglotting with Élise, James from Future Multilingual, Vladimir from Virtually Native, just to name a few…
Merci et bonne continuation...
J'ai un entretien avec Jeff McQuillan dans 2 semaines.
@@loistalagrand Hey Lois.
It would be interesting to hear his opinion on reading and listening efficiency. I mean which way of getting input is more effective and efficient for an adult language learner. What gives us more benefits one hour of reading or one hour of listening?
What’s the best way to learn Swiss German?
hahaha good luck with that ... the good thing is, you don't have to.
Come to Switzerland! But be aware that each Kanton has its own dialect, so you´ll have to choose which version of Swiss German you want to learn.
Wow. Didn't know that Stephen King was a linguist too apart from being a writer.
Honestly, hearing that he learns French by using Duolingo makes his opinion a bit less trustworthy. Also, SK says that learning grammar or in other words looking for the syntax while we are reading or listening to something, etc. is only good to create a system that helps to self-check what we wrote - because when you speak you just don't have the time to do so - but by doing this you might be able to get more input/repetition with the thing where you have issues - but it is kind just a small thing next to the fact that comprehensible input is the number one, most important thing when we would like to acquire a language. So he talks about what Jonathan talks about here. I think grammar and vocab drills can make our input more comprehensible - so they can help, but it always comes down to comprehensible input.
what is the TLDR of this video. pretty long video.
There’re plenty of AI summary tools out there. Just wanna point out: reading TLDR only is just a waste of time, why bother if ya gonna forget anyway. The only effective way of using TLDR, is to sit through the whole learning process and spend the time writing up a TLDR afterwards for yourself. This is essential the Feynman method. The false assumption that one can “learn” by reading condensed gist of information is harmful. It’s the junk food of this “infobesity” era. We can only process that information, but we can’t learn from it.
@@vincentcheung1876 God save society from the Twitter plague :chuckles: The lack of ability to focus and persist will eventually drag us back down to an agrarian level as the expert skills required to maintain technological civilisation will be lost.
I have met Newton at conference in Malaysia. I found him a most unpleasant person. He deals mostly with very advanced learners of English and doesn't know very much about dealing with EFL beginners OK, he might have done it at the beginning of his career for a bit in China. Look to the latest versions of grammar in formal linguistics--THERE ARE NO RULES.
@7:37 ProNOUNCEiation? Really? Language learning expert? Please tell me he was being ironic. (Hint:I don't think so)
Isn't that how people say it in New Zealand?
wtf bon jovi have a degree in linguistics woow.
Hahahaha that cracked me up
You guys seem to struggle coming to a point.
How so?
@@loistalagrand Sometimes it's like your guest is talking about some points for the first time in his life and his is rambling instead of presentation a clear vision.
@@Reflekt0r Newton, blah