I agree 100% on Lord Knossus… nearly 20 hours on him and he literally feels outclassed in a lot of situations. I hope the devs give him some small buffs to push him more into the frontline meta. I honestly feel like two of the temporary health buff on “Fury” should give you damage reduction. Maybe 5% for the duration of the Fury ability. Pakko can gain armor from attacking, Margrave has a shield that deflects and Rutger can regen armor underground and by attacking.
Sucks they took the stamina gain off his E. He now just always is out of stamina especially when taking bleed on LMB. He can get in a fight an scrum but he can't get out much.
Get a sven or vadasi to duo queue with you. Knossos is like a warrior from WoW and you need a "paladin" or "priest" to follow you around dispelling and keeping you healthy. Knossos with support can 2v5. Alone he just gets focused down but using a few defensive sven cool downs on him is game changing.
@@Dualities yeah I just play cover and use my mobility to weave in and out of fights. I do think the other tanks are far easier to play around though. Curious to see how the balance team handles him LK in future patches.
I am so glad you talked about this from the perspective of how the characters relate to both the meta and on their own kits as in what do they offer regardless of team comp. Specifically Tyto. I love Tytos kit and I get more enjoyment out of dancing through fights and finding opportunities to outplay characters that can't just mash they keyboards or hold left click... BUT and this is a 'Gigantic' BUT! He does his role worse than every other assassin. Landing your entire combo perfectly with spacing out bleeds properly leads to a measly 1700 damage and that's over about 8 to 15 seconds where every bleed tick counts. Cleanses completely shut down his ult and every spell you use to do damage is a spell you can't use to get away. I think Tyto in particular is difficult to balance because if he could pull up and do the same damage as kajir or wu consistently I don't see any way to get away since his sprint speed his spin speed and his swoop are cover soooo much ground but it feels awful to land every spell and do a fraction of damage a Ramsey can do and he's a brawler not a assassin per se. I love your videos very good discussion which is rare these days so kudos for being awesome.
I like Oru because he can play a pseudo-support by peeling for teammates out of position with his daze and knockback. I love running his reveal reset build to keep overly aggressive enemies nearly permanently dazed/stunned
I'm in love with Oru but i'm new to the game and strugling a litlle. Can you explain this in more details? Thanks in advance. PS: im in love with the game.
@@fooluke6522 Oru has two different talents that let you reset your AoE reveal so you can use it more to either daze people or do more burst damage. I’m not sure which talents they are specifically but they say in their descriptions.
My GOAT is Tripp or Sven. Haven’t really seen an insane Rutger and I do feel status effects like cracked armor and bleed counter him. He can die if he out of position with no CDs just like any other tank. Just takes more coordination. Definitely a strong character from a kit perspective! Sven and Tripp are so easy to play and it’s easy to focus on timing/ positioning with less thought which makes them difficult to pin down in my opinion. Great video overall! Looking forward to more of your content!
Would like to hear your thoughts on overall balance - i feel like the difference between broken characters and ezren level characters is actually not as broad as a lot of other games in the genre (especially in soloQ)
Oh gosh. Well I think the hardest thing that everyone has to remember about the state of balance in any competitive game is that skill level is extremely important. I do HOPE that any future balance patches come from the desire to balance the highest level of play. It's a very slippery slope because even the smallest changes can really add a whole lot. No one feels unplayable, which is good. But some heroes are gonna be prioritized over others on a number of factors. And ironically, most of the characters in my B tier and lower tiers can actually completely stomp games in soloQ if they're in good hands and no one can deal with them. But I would really like to see a world where you can make a team and not feel like you have to adjust everything just to suit that hero's niche. Quick thoughts: Xenobia needs longer ranges and a bit more health, and maybe a tiiiny smidge of extra damage. Tyto needs a faster way to actually burst someone to keep up with other assassins. Zandora needs upgrades that actually DO something different and provide either better utility or peel or both. Knossos needs an adjusted hurtbox because it's stupid huge and he's easy to kill, and maybe some defensive upgrades. Griselma needs a redesign. Like straight up just rework from the ground up. And Ezren needs better damage numbers with larger projectiles and actual CC, but slightly lower his sustain numbers in return.
@@WolfieCasts I really really love Griselma's 'static' summoner design. Didn't play Gigantic before last week, but already have 50 hours in her. That being said, although she can pub stomp and has some serious DPS output if the players are new and don't attack her hands, any ranged dps entirely shuts her down. This makes it so that despite the fact that the whole 'set up and defend' focus is interesting, it's really awkward in the flow of the average Clash game (less so in Rush where the mode complements her strengths). Where I would go without a redesign, since I really do like some of her ability interactions, is perhaps remove the forced 9 second cooldown on her hands' deaths, reduce their range, give them perma beam (with a toned down VFX so we don't blind everyone), and increase their turn rate significantly when Griselma auto attacks (like the doubled attack speed). The fact that the hands miss targets who strafe at a snail's pace is infuriating and unnecessary. It just adds to the difference between low and high skill play. Same with the fact that you can just walk around them with any assassin and essentially never get hit as they turn. I feel this rework would more push her into the point control role she was meant for, let her reposition her hands more freely and also prevent the situation where she's knocked out of a fight for up to 18 seconds from both hands dying sequentially. It would still need her to position her hands so they don't insta die to enemy ranged dps, so I'm not sure if the current maps would allow it to happen though. I'd love to hear your thoughts
Finally someone who understands Zandora is pretty dreadful... Only good thing is that i can ice skate away from a Xenobia/HK Duo or fart on a doppelganger. (For the 3 Zandora fans I know he didn't say she was dreadful)
Ezren starting off as a fantastic DPS on his release and now the absolute WORST hero in the game years later is so sad to see. I hope they revert his nerfs one day.
Idk why all cry about him, Ezren main here and its hella good. Most of the time reach lv 10 while my team and the enemy one is still at 8. (Perhaps its cause of my custom build)
There's a beginner-friendly tournament actually happening this coming Saturday at Noon EST! I'll be casting for it. You can also just ask around on the official Gigantic Discord for fan made competitive Discords.
A lot of community members have agreed that the premade builds are more often than not pretty bad, especially if you have auto leveling on in Clash mode.
@@WolfieCasts i do use auto level most of the time except some cases where i choose depending on team/enemy. but all my builds are custom rn. some upgrades just feel meh in exchange for losing something big
It really does. Having a front liner with you, you can run right into a fight with them, eat a back liner, and then proceed to run for the hill or just bruise deeper. Her jump attack is also just crazy good for closing gaps and you can use her speed buff for a free run or jump attack closer.
@@MrSwaggington I pull more kills/damage and support score than my entire team more games than not as Zandy she's quickly become my fav character. Maybe we're just biased lol
Ezren is designed in a similar way as Kennen from Lol: half of his abilities doesn't have great synergy with the other half and even counters each other. He has 2 range abilities that encourage players to attack from far but then 2 abilities that encourage them to get in the middle of the fight. He is worse than most range champs but also worse than most melee champs (a jack of all trades champ). I imagine the idea was that his healing can get him alive long enough to inflict high damage and retreat (same as Kennen stuns all players inside his ulti), but the reality is that there are way too many interrupts, stuns, etc in the game that can stop you immediately during your ulti. I don't think he needs more damage, but his current amout of heal doesn't reflect his (as I understand, intended) playstyle. Ezren can easily lose against other high-utility "supports" like Oru in a 121, that should never be the case with a champ that the main thing that brings to the table is dps. He needs to have +3 enemies close to him for extra heal, but at the same time, he has neither enough sustain or good escaping tools to resist the counterattack of those +3 enemies.
you've mentioned watching scrims, where at? id love to watch some higher levwl competitive
I agree 100% on Lord Knossus… nearly 20 hours on him and he literally feels outclassed in a lot of situations. I hope the devs give him some small buffs to push him more into the frontline meta.
I honestly feel like two of the temporary health buff on “Fury” should give you damage reduction. Maybe 5% for the duration of the Fury ability. Pakko can gain armor from attacking, Margrave has a shield that deflects and Rutger can regen armor underground and by attacking.
Sucks they took the stamina gain off his E. He now just always is out of stamina especially when taking bleed on LMB. He can get in a fight an scrum but he can't get out much.
Get a sven or vadasi to duo queue with you. Knossos is like a warrior from WoW and you need a "paladin" or "priest" to follow you around dispelling and keeping you healthy. Knossos with support can 2v5. Alone he just gets focused down but using a few defensive sven cool downs on him is game changing.
I played 5 games with him yesterday and thats what i exactly thought.
He got hurt the most with stamina changes. And his low armor doesnt help much either...
@@Dualities yeah I just play cover and use my mobility to weave in and out of fights. I do think the other tanks are far easier to play around though. Curious to see how the balance team handles him LK in future patches.
I am so glad you talked about this from the perspective of how the characters relate to both the meta and on their own kits as in what do they offer regardless of team comp.
Specifically Tyto. I love Tytos kit and I get more enjoyment out of dancing through fights and finding opportunities to outplay characters that can't just mash they keyboards or hold left click... BUT and this is a 'Gigantic' BUT! He does his role worse than every other assassin. Landing your entire combo perfectly with spacing out bleeds properly leads to a measly 1700 damage and that's over about 8 to 15 seconds where every bleed tick counts. Cleanses completely shut down his ult and every spell you use to do damage is a spell you can't use to get away. I think Tyto in particular is difficult to balance because if he could pull up and do the same damage as kajir or wu consistently I don't see any way to get away since his sprint speed his spin speed and his swoop are cover soooo much ground but it feels awful to land every spell and do a fraction of damage a Ramsey can do and he's a brawler not a assassin per se.
I love your videos very good discussion which is rare these days so kudos for being awesome.
I like Oru because he can play a pseudo-support by peeling for teammates out of position with his daze and knockback. I love running his reveal reset build to keep overly aggressive enemies nearly permanently dazed/stunned
I'm in love with Oru but i'm new to the game and strugling a litlle. Can you explain this in more details? Thanks in advance. PS: im in love with the game.
@@fooluke6522 Oru has two different talents that let you reset your AoE reveal so you can use it more to either daze people or do more burst damage. I’m not sure which talents they are specifically but they say in their descriptions.
@@kellerwolfe213 Thanks a lot my friend.
My GOAT is Tripp or Sven. Haven’t really seen an insane Rutger and I do feel status effects like cracked armor and bleed counter him. He can die if he out of position with no CDs just like any other tank. Just takes more coordination. Definitely a strong character from a kit perspective!
Sven and Tripp are so easy to play and it’s easy to focus on timing/ positioning with less thought which makes them difficult to pin down in my opinion. Great video overall! Looking forward to more of your content!
Griselma is pretty good on that small canyon map, the zoning is insane, my team had a difficult time getting close without taking so much damage.
This, Gris its so underrated in tier lists, she has one the craziest controls
Would like to hear your thoughts on overall balance - i feel like the difference between broken characters and ezren level characters is actually not as broad as a lot of other games in the genre (especially in soloQ)
Oh gosh. Well I think the hardest thing that everyone has to remember about the state of balance in any competitive game is that skill level is extremely important. I do HOPE that any future balance patches come from the desire to balance the highest level of play. It's a very slippery slope because even the smallest changes can really add a whole lot.
No one feels unplayable, which is good. But some heroes are gonna be prioritized over others on a number of factors. And ironically, most of the characters in my B tier and lower tiers can actually completely stomp games in soloQ if they're in good hands and no one can deal with them. But I would really like to see a world where you can make a team and not feel like you have to adjust everything just to suit that hero's niche.
Quick thoughts:
Xenobia needs longer ranges and a bit more health, and maybe a tiiiny smidge of extra damage.
Tyto needs a faster way to actually burst someone to keep up with other assassins.
Zandora needs upgrades that actually DO something different and provide either better utility or peel or both.
Knossos needs an adjusted hurtbox because it's stupid huge and he's easy to kill, and maybe some defensive upgrades.
Griselma needs a redesign. Like straight up just rework from the ground up.
And Ezren needs better damage numbers with larger projectiles and actual CC, but slightly lower his sustain numbers in return.
@@WolfieCasts I really really love Griselma's 'static' summoner design. Didn't play Gigantic before last week, but already have 50 hours in her.
That being said, although she can pub stomp and has some serious DPS output if the players are new and don't attack her hands, any ranged dps entirely shuts her down. This makes it so that despite the fact that the whole 'set up and defend' focus is interesting, it's really awkward in the flow of the average Clash game (less so in Rush where the mode complements her strengths).
Where I would go without a redesign, since I really do like some of her ability interactions, is perhaps remove the forced 9 second cooldown on her hands' deaths, reduce their range, give them perma beam (with a toned down VFX so we don't blind everyone), and increase their turn rate significantly when Griselma auto attacks (like the doubled attack speed). The fact that the hands miss targets who strafe at a snail's pace is infuriating and unnecessary. It just adds to the difference between low and high skill play. Same with the fact that you can just walk around them with any assassin and essentially never get hit as they turn.
I feel this rework would more push her into the point control role she was meant for, let her reposition her hands more freely and also prevent the situation where she's knocked out of a fight for up to 18 seconds from both hands dying sequentially. It would still need her to position her hands so they don't insta die to enemy ranged dps, so I'm not sure if the current maps would allow it to happen though.
I'd love to hear your thoughts
Finally someone who understands Zandora is pretty dreadful... Only good thing is that i can ice skate away from a Xenobia/HK Duo or fart on a doppelganger.
(For the 3 Zandora fans I know he didn't say she was dreadful)
Ezren starting off as a fantastic DPS on his release and now the absolute WORST hero in the game years later is so sad to see. I hope they revert his nerfs one day.
Idk why all cry about him, Ezren main here and its hella good. Most of the time reach lv 10 while my team and the enemy one is still at 8. (Perhaps its cause of my custom build)
Yeah… I really like Ezren but I believe he has to work harder to be effective opposed to the other dps.
His range should be buffed
@onyxelite0188 ayyyy thats great man! Glad you're having a better experience. What's your build? 👀
Wow for the first time ever I main a top tier character? #1 Imani incoming .
Griselma D is wild
All I needed to see to exit the video looooooool
Where can we watch pro play/ high level scrimmage games? I would love to watch and take notes on strategies before ranked drops.
There's a beginner-friendly tournament actually happening this coming Saturday at Noon EST! I'll be casting for it. You can also just ask around on the official Gigantic Discord for fan made competitive Discords.
Oru and hk in B is hilarious
Zandora GOAT
about starter builds, are they usable? or just recommendations with better alternatives? ofc i used them a bit. but changed some stuff early
A lot of community members have agreed that the premade builds are more often than not pretty bad, especially if you have auto leveling on in Clash mode.
@@WolfieCasts i do use auto level most of the time except some cases where i choose depending on team/enemy. but all my builds are custom rn. some upgrades just feel meh in exchange for losing something big
ZANDORA SWEEP RAAAAAHHHH
I'd honestly swap vadasi with tmat and put tripp a tier lower
Zandora in C feels really wrong
It really does. Having a front liner with you, you can run right into a fight with them, eat a back liner, and then proceed to run for the hill or just bruise deeper. Her jump attack is also just crazy good for closing gaps and you can use her speed buff for a free run or jump attack closer.
@@MrSwaggington I pull more kills/damage and support score than my entire team more games than not as Zandy she's quickly become my fav character. Maybe we're just biased lol
Ezren is designed in a similar way as Kennen from Lol: half of his abilities doesn't have great synergy with the other half and even counters each other. He has 2 range abilities that encourage players to attack from far but then 2 abilities that encourage them to get in the middle of the fight. He is worse than most range champs but also worse than most melee champs (a jack of all trades champ). I imagine the idea was that his healing can get him alive long enough to inflict high damage and retreat (same as Kennen stuns all players inside his ulti), but the reality is that there are way too many interrupts, stuns, etc in the game that can stop you immediately during your ulti. I don't think he needs more damage, but his current amout of heal doesn't reflect his (as I understand, intended) playstyle. Ezren can easily lose against other high-utility "supports" like Oru in a 121, that should never be the case with a champ that the main thing that brings to the table is dps. He needs to have +3 enemies close to him for extra heal, but at the same time, he has neither enough sustain or good escaping tools to resist the counterattack of those +3 enemies.
Its a real shame that zandora literally just comes off as budget Aisling
Margrave deep dive please
yall are sleeping on ezren
I hate how every hero shooter game thinks a sniper is necessary
Hey at least headshots aren't a thing in this one, right? But yeah, she's still really strong. Every sniper character is.
Yes, the sniper is used in a "hero shooter"