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3:00 this is incorrect; they have the same priority so Palafin's speed means it will have the faster priority move to deny Thunderclap. That said, Palafin would have to use the resisted Jet Punch to do this, so Bolt has the opportunity to just slam Palafin with Draco/Volt Switch instead
@@MaahirMomtaz12 Thunderclap's priority is +1, it only matches the priority of other priority like Bullet Punch/Sucker Punch/Jet Punch/Quick Attack/etc., and is outpaced by the likes of Extreme speed, First Impression, and Fake Out
@@darko-man8549to be more precise, Sucker Punch/Thunderclap will fail if the target has already used their attack, so those moves will still work against slower priority users like Azumarill Aqua Jet or Conkeldurr Mach Punch for example
I think Palafin should switch between its forms each time it comes in. It requires more strategy than "lead with it and switch to get Water-type Slaking with no ability"
3:08 do not be fooled folks, everybody knows that the actual name is "Great Neck" Not some silly name like "Raging Bolt" What is he raging about anyways? Low ELO? Fairy types? Yeah i cannot think of a reason for him to be raging, i think it is safe to assume that its actual name is "Great Neck" Please folks, this IS the real name, Iron Mugulis is tryna manipulate all of you folks.
The funny thing about Palafin, is that the guy has some set variety Apart from Bulk Up and Choice Band, it can be a bulky disruptive guy with Encore and Taunt, and it can actually be a mixed attacker. Yes, mixed attacker. Palafin has a 106 special attack, meaning a Hydro Pump from it hits ever so slightly harder than a Hydro from Rotom Wash. And it also has interesting coverage like Aura Sphere, Ice Beam, Grass Knot, Boomburst and Draining Kiss. So perhaps a Tera Normal Boomburst set can exist to catch everyone off guard. Or Palafin's physical sets could bother running Grass Knot to dispatch DonBOZO more easily.
@@DawnChaser-yn If you're gonna use a physical Palafin, you don't need any special moves apart from perhaps Grass Knot for DonBOZO in particular Other than that, it's not really that. You're gonna specialize on the offensive spectrum you want to use, and that's that.
@@genarftheunfuni5227oooo, that seems like a nice idea for my grassy terrain hyper offense team. Palafin is my only setup mon, and the goal is to just bulk up and then cause enough damage to win with grass move spam. Being able to get rid of a wall like that seems like a good win con, given my only grass special attacker is hydrapple to reliably ohko donBOZO
Palafin fits so well in the modern OU. For those that don’t want to have to commit to the straight forward nature of Walking Wake and Dondozo, Palafin allows for a mix of both play styles. It also has plenty of counterplay so its bread and butter Bulk Up set is no longer as overwhelming as on release. I’ve been using a mixed attacking set with grass knot so it has the ability to get pass Alolamola, and Dondozo.
the coolest thing about palafin being unbanned is that if it does stay unbanned, there's a potential to retest mons like chi-yu and volcarona that are checked/countered by palafin
252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Palafin in Sun: 402-473 (117.8 - 138.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO (this is hero form.) 252+ Atk Palafin Jet Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Chi-Yu in Sun: 150-176 (59.7 - 70.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO However 252+ Atk Palafin Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Chi-Yu: 252-298 (100.3 - 118.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO So it comes down to who wins the speed tie. If you use a choice band on palafin 252+ Atk Choice Band Palafin Jet Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Chi-Yu in Sun: 224-266 (89.2 - 105.9%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO So a 37.5% chance to kill with jet punch, and then you die to overheat. So scarf would be better since it means you’d be guaranteed to kill Chi-Yu with drain punch. But yeah, not even Palafin is a check for Chi-Yu. How that fish remained unbanned for more than a week is insane
Volcarona's whole thing was tera. It clicks tera dragon or water, burns palafin with flame body and it's over. I don't really see the vision. Chi Yu tho? Nah no way
Of the vessels I feel like chein Pao is way more likely to be safe. It has less base attack, pretty mediocre stabs, needs to carry 2 separate coverage moves for the two best mons in the tier. Needs sd for power. But also needs priority for the booster speed mons/lokix/scizor. And also still just has a bad matchup into Primerina/tinkaton/dozo/palafin.
I like to use palafin as my bulky sweeper on my hyper offense team. Pairs really well with rillaboom since grassy terrain gives it healing to help it survive while setting up and it can also switch in really well against fire types that want to fuck my shit up
There's no way Paladin drops to UU. Most of Palafin's checks can still be force through by Palafin. Primarina can get brute forced through as it lacks recovery, Waterpon can die to a coverage move (banded adamant CC has high odds to kill) and other mons like Rillaboom, Dragonite can drop to ice punch. This is nothing to say of the priority it offers teams or the crazy strength it offers rain or it's set variety. I really can't see it dropping to UU anytime soon
@@titaniumsalmon3238There's not really better options, He was only mentioning the Ice and Fighting moves as they are examples of beating traditional water type answers. So adding in ridicously strong Prio + Stabs like Wave Crash into the mix..
@@titaniumsalmon3238 yeah what I'm saying is that Palafin can run these moves to help break past it's checks and counters. Honestly even if it didn't have these coverage moves I still think it would be OU cause 160 Atk with 60 BP priority plus strong moves and a decent typing is very good.
yeah honestly everything but its electric checks get hard countered by tera flying, and one of them (zapdos) doesn't want to switch in the absurd power that its tera water variants give imo saying that tera is a lot to ask is stupid if tera allows you to snowball over your only check
Honestly curious… Palafin is not a Horse…but Palafin does learn the move reversal. If Palafin uses reversal on a horse-Pokémon does it then become a horse?
If Palafin is deemed to be fine I think we should also start discussing Palkia (same speed tier, lower Sp.Atk compared to Palafin's Attack no priority, no useful ability like Walking Wake, no boosting moves, no recovery). Make Rain great against. However, the access to Electic coverage is a big deal for Palkia that probably pushes it over the edge.
The bulk is why it won't drop yet. If Smogon ever decides to start dropping Ubers, Palkia will be one of the first alongside Dialga, Solgaleo, and Lugia.
Palkia is nuts, and talk of dropping it down is even more nuts. Awesome typing, incredible set diversity, and will definitely break the tier with Tera.
@CabbageMuncher13 sneasler Is broken even without dire claw. It's basically hawlucha with 40 more base attack, and hawlucha even with powercreep can still 6-0s team in the right circumstances.
Thunderclap doesn’t work against it but even that like you are never going to use jet punch against raging bolt, so it probably is still going to move first if you try to challange it
Honestly the downside of needing to come in as babyfin before switching out is actually not as irrelevant as it seemed at first. Giving up momentum to bring it in can hurt a lot, and if you lead with it it's extremely telegraphed and starts you off in a rough spot, your opponent probably has a spike or some setup or something now. I remember watching Joey's Palafin video and whenever he didn't lead with it it never seemed worth it to spend the time getting it set up.
Yeah I kept trying to correct my comment and the UA-cam app just like, wouldn't show it so I couldn't edit til now. I do think it also has problems against HO though, since forfeiting momentum against an HO team is potentially a really big problem. Like at the end of the day it's still Palafin, it's not a bad Pokemon, I just think we've been underrating how much that 1 turn of limp progress can actually be detrimental.
Also with one bulk up, drain punch 2 hits Ogerpon-Wellspring SD with 96 Atk investment and in return, Ogeron-Wellspring can't OKO a 80 Hp invested Palafin unless it's adamant.
Ogerpon can’t switch into neutral coverage from Palafin. Ogerpon takes about 75% from Zen Headbutt and Close Combat straight up OHKOs Ogerpon (both assuming Choice Band or +1 from Bulk Up). Oh and Palafin straight up survives Horn Leech with no investment.
Also works with air balloon on bulk up sets, gives it spikes immunity while still having itemless acro since near nothing okhos it. Good set for webs, a few people have gotten suspect reqs using that team.
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How is he gonna match up against my boy Hydrapple?? Switch in on Fickle Beam, we gambling! Drain Punch VS Giga Drain, let’s go! Aqua Jet? More like Aqua… Bad! Hydrapple keeps him in check, trust!
@@videakias3000 It's not a necessary move. Faster Lando sets often prefer taunt to prevent opposing Stealth Rockers and also to shut down Corv's defog and roost. If you rocky helmet Corv is just going to wear itself down with Brave bird and helmet chip. Also taunt is literally one of the default moves for the sample Lando set in the builder
I can't believe we're living in a timeline where people are considering a Pokemon with a base 160 ATTACK something that could come to OU. This is insane.
Ah, of course. As long as we have legendaries like Ogrepon, Zapdos, Kyurem, and Zamazenta, we should be ok handling Palafin. I'm all seriousness it is cool to see it back in the meta again. It provides a pro interesting niche now with the new threats in mind
Thunderclap doesn't beat Jet Punch. They both have +1 priority, and Palafin is usually faster than Raging Bolt. And like Sucker Punch, it will fail if the target is faster and uses a priority move.
The one thing I would say AGAINST Alomamola checking Palafin is that it has a huge HP stat and mediocre defense, so even with the resist it's Drain Punch fodder, even if Palafin has to switch out to dodge a burn. Alternatively, it might be so passive against it and DP heals so much with a couple bulk ups that it turns into setup fodder even if Palafin gets burned.
I'm mostly a vgc player but i have also some experience with singles and i think palafin will probably be good and healthy for the meta, it's very strong yes but now with all these new counters making it switch out more and spikes and other hazzards it will probably be balanced. This is just what I think and I'm mostly speaking from a vgc player
Choice band will definitely suffer because of hazard spam but palafin can OHKO ogerpon with close combat, and survive a power whip from it with hp investment. Same for raging bolt.
TBH I'm predicting it's gonna move away from the bulky taunt set if it sticks around. Annihilape got crept out trying that playbook and I think the points you touched on go that way. Banded Ice Punch for RB or maybe something like a Seed/ Acrobatics set to dunk on the Wellspring/Rillaboom it invites in.
I played a couple of games against them and it didn’t even come out when they beat me. I feel low ladder is going to skew some opinions in the vocal chamber.
It's not that threatening, grass knot base damage depend on how much heavier the opponent compare to the user, but Palafin is heavier than Primarina, so grass knot base power is only 20, not enough to even scratch Primarina
@@HungLe-ig1ijthat's wrong, Grass Knot only factors in the target's weight in total terms, the relative weight of the user is irrelevant (unlike how it works for eg Heavy Slam)
I don't hate the idea of Palafin makinga return, though I do fear what will happen if it starts running acro + ice punch as coverage... Acro hits grass types and Ice Punch hits relevent electrics
I find this type of video much more interesting than the list videos. List videos are cool and I watch them from you but you have been posting a lot of them recently
I’ve been using the banded set on bulky offence and wow palafin feels like anti offence, like if you have an answer for oogerpawn, dondozo, and things like water absorb clod, very few things can take a neutral Tera water jet punch!
So what this video is saying is that I want tera grass tera blast, drain punch, jet punch, a neutral hitting move on flying/electric and an assault vest. And use it as a wall breaker and not a sweeper
I've been asking for a retest of this thing since the first DLC came out. I mean cmon, we've added a bunch of other new stronger Pokémon and not a single one of them can keep Palafin in check? Nice they're finally doing it though. Next up Ape
@@roberte.o.speedwagon6043It makes clicking uturn a liability, comes in vs a ton of bulky mons for free, and even if you only hit it once or twice it's already a nightmare to wall.
Ngl if this is still broken, i think a way to balance it is that every time that it switches out of its hero form, it returns to his Zero form, making it hard to use but rrally worth it if you know what you are doing
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Also the ability nullifier on regional wheezing would make for a counter.
0:33 "it's not what it's once was" shows it decimating a primarina from 70%
“I checked, and indeed Palafin does not have a coverage move for primarina”
Tbf primarina is REALLY physically frail.
More like mid
"no answer to primarina"
5 IRON HEAD FLINCHES BABY
That's just what Floatzel does.
Palafin isn't a horse, and a video focused on a non-horse disappoints me. Unsubbed.
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I unsubbed for Same reason
The horse council does not approve of this decision
Palafin is a Dolphin. Dolphins are allied with Horses
@@jimothycoolnew lore drop
3:00 this is incorrect; they have the same priority so Palafin's speed means it will have the faster priority move to deny Thunderclap. That said, Palafin would have to use the resisted Jet Punch to do this, so Bolt has the opportunity to just slam Palafin with Draco/Volt Switch instead
Thunderclap always goes before other attacking moves
@@MaahirMomtaz12 If it's like sucker punch, when a priority move is used, it actually causes sucker punch to fail
Thunderclap does NOT always go before other attacking moves, it is literally just sucker punch but yellow
@@MaahirMomtaz12 Thunderclap's priority is +1, it only matches the priority of other priority like Bullet Punch/Sucker Punch/Jet Punch/Quick Attack/etc., and is outpaced by the likes of Extreme speed, First Impression, and Fake Out
@@darko-man8549to be more precise, Sucker Punch/Thunderclap will fail if the target has already used their attack, so those moves will still work against slower priority users like Azumarill Aqua Jet or Conkeldurr Mach Punch for example
James Gunn has been in talks to produce a Palafin movie, kicking off the DCU (Dolphin Cinematic Universe)
The palafin suspect was timed so people wouldn't play gen 4 finch and blunder saved lots of people
Not Jimothy.
Meoletta has to use relic song every time it enters the battle to use pirouette form....Palafin stays in its altered form.....that doesn't seem fair
Its fine.
Not to mention that Relic song takes up a move slot
@@YaBoySheeny not really. Makes pirouette basically useless
I think Palafin should switch between its forms each time it comes in. It requires more strategy than "lead with it and switch to get Water-type Slaking with no ability"
@@mr.sandman7339 agreed\
that;s actually what I thought the ability would do when I first read it
2:50 love how raging bolt just morphs the box
Beat me to it.
Raging Bolts' Great Neck has no boundaries
3:08 do not be fooled folks, everybody knows that the actual name is "Great Neck" Not some silly name like "Raging Bolt" What is he raging about anyways? Low ELO? Fairy types? Yeah i cannot think of a reason for him to be raging, i think it is safe to assume that its actual name is "Great Neck" Please folks, this IS the real name, Iron Mugulis is tryna manipulate all of you folks.
Participating in this suspect test for Palafin might be a nice change of pace for you after the hell that was gen 4 OU
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Palafin has been unbanned from Gen 9 temporarily
This is something they've been talking about for a while, and they actually did it, close to Christmas as well.
What a wonderful gift!
@@simonekovacs6542So right now as we speak, you can use palafin again in OU
So right now, as we speak, you can use Palafin again in OU
So right now as we speak, you can use Palafin again in OU.
The funny thing about Palafin, is that the guy has some set variety
Apart from Bulk Up and Choice Band, it can be a bulky disruptive guy with Encore and Taunt, and it can actually be a mixed attacker.
Yes, mixed attacker. Palafin has a 106 special attack, meaning a Hydro Pump from it hits ever so slightly harder than a Hydro from Rotom Wash. And it also has interesting coverage like Aura Sphere, Ice Beam, Grass Knot, Boomburst and Draining Kiss. So perhaps a Tera Normal Boomburst set can exist to catch everyone off guard. Or Palafin's physical sets could bother running Grass Knot to dispatch DonBOZO more easily.
4 moveslot syndrome. If you fit Hydro pump what are you missing ? Flip turn? Jet punch? Wave crash? Close combat , bulk up or drain punch?
@@DawnChaser-yn If you're gonna use a physical Palafin, you don't need any special moves apart from perhaps Grass Knot for DonBOZO in particular
Other than that, it's not really that. You're gonna specialize on the offensive spectrum you want to use, and that's that.
@@genarftheunfuni5227oooo, that seems like a nice idea for my grassy terrain hyper offense team. Palafin is my only setup mon, and the goal is to just bulk up and then cause enough damage to win with grass move spam. Being able to get rid of a wall like that seems like a good win con, given my only grass special attacker is hydrapple to reliably ohko donBOZO
Thunderclap does not actually out prioritize jet punch since both moves have plus 1 priority and palafin is often faster
But can palafin OHKO it?
@@skybattler2624252+ Atk Choice Band Palafin-Hero Jet Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Raging Bolt: 102-120 (26 - 30.6%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
No lol
@@skybattler2624 no but you can be cheesed into spamming thunderclap trying to catch them. And palafin can even hit resists hard so it’s decent chip
Palafin fits so well in the modern OU. For those that don’t want to have to commit to the straight forward nature of Walking Wake and Dondozo, Palafin allows for a mix of both play styles. It also has plenty of counterplay so its bread and butter Bulk Up set is no longer as overwhelming as on release. I’ve been using a mixed attacking set with grass knot so it has the ability to get pass Alolamola, and Dondozo.
i cant believe palafin was unbanned temporarliy
It's Palafin's Parole
the coolest thing about palafin being unbanned is that if it does stay unbanned, there's a potential to retest mons like chi-yu and volcarona that are checked/countered by palafin
Chi yu?
Hell nah
they are never
252+ SpA Choice Specs Beads of Ruin Chi-Yu Overheat vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Palafin in Sun: 402-473 (117.8 - 138.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO (this is hero form.)
252+ Atk Palafin Jet Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Chi-Yu in Sun: 150-176 (59.7 - 70.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
However
252+ Atk Palafin Drain Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Chi-Yu: 252-298 (100.3 - 118.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
So it comes down to who wins the speed tie.
If you use a choice band on palafin 252+ Atk Choice Band Palafin Jet Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Chi-Yu in Sun: 224-266 (89.2 - 105.9%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
So a 37.5% chance to kill with jet punch, and then you die to overheat. So scarf would be better since it means you’d be guaranteed to kill Chi-Yu with drain punch.
But yeah, not even Palafin is a check for Chi-Yu. How that fish remained unbanned for more than a week is insane
Volcarona's whole thing was tera. It clicks tera dragon or water, burns palafin with flame body and it's over. I don't really see the vision.
Chi Yu tho? Nah no way
Of the vessels I feel like chein Pao is way more likely to be safe. It has less base attack, pretty mediocre stabs, needs to carry 2 separate coverage moves for the two best mons in the tier. Needs sd for power. But also needs priority for the booster speed mons/lokix/scizor. And also still just has a bad matchup into Primerina/tinkaton/dozo/palafin.
the fact that palafin has more answers than kyurem goes to show where powercreep is at right now
1:18 I’m having a mandela effect moment where I was sure Palafin was Water/Fighting, wtf
Probably because it uses bulk up and close combat so much
L
Good to know it wasn’t just me
Congratulations to Palafin for his good behaviour and for being let out on probation.
Hydrapple also does well vs Palafin since it rarely runs Ice Punch.
I like to use palafin as my bulky sweeper on my hyper offense team. Pairs really well with rillaboom since grassy terrain gives it healing to help it survive while setting up and it can also switch in really well against fire types that want to fuck my shit up
with all these checks and counters I wouldn't be surprised if palafin ends up in UUBL.
ur tripping balls if u think he’ll be uubl
There's no way Paladin drops to UU. Most of Palafin's checks can still be force through by Palafin. Primarina can get brute forced through as it lacks recovery, Waterpon can die to a coverage move (banded adamant CC has high odds to kill) and other mons like Rillaboom, Dragonite can drop to ice punch. This is nothing to say of the priority it offers teams or the crazy strength it offers rain or it's set variety. I really can't see it dropping to UU anytime soon
@danyg0000 True but if you just want to run fighting or ice moves there's better options
@@titaniumsalmon3238There's not really better options, He was only mentioning the Ice and Fighting moves as they are examples of beating traditional water type answers. So adding in ridicously strong Prio + Stabs like Wave Crash into the mix..
@@titaniumsalmon3238 yeah what I'm saying is that Palafin can run these moves to help break past it's checks and counters. Honestly even if it didn't have these coverage moves I still think it would be OU cause 160 Atk with 60 BP priority plus strong moves and a decent typing is very good.
Palafin Rindo Berry + Acrobatics counters any meta grass type
yeah honestly everything but its electric checks get hard countered by tera flying, and one of them (zapdos) doesn't want to switch in the absurd power that its tera water variants give
imo saying that tera is a lot to ask is stupid if tera allows you to snowball over your only check
Honestly curious…
Palafin is not a Horse…but Palafin does learn the move reversal.
If Palafin uses reversal on a horse-Pokémon does it then become a horse?
No, it reverses into baby dolphin form.
The opponent becomes esroh
If Palafin is deemed to be fine I think we should also start discussing Palkia (same speed tier, lower Sp.Atk compared to Palafin's Attack no priority, no useful ability like Walking Wake, no boosting moves, no recovery).
Make Rain great against.
However, the access to Electic coverage is a big deal for Palkia that probably pushes it over the edge.
The bulk is why it won't drop yet. If Smogon ever decides to start dropping Ubers, Palkia will be one of the first alongside Dialga, Solgaleo, and Lugia.
Palkia is nuts, and talk of dropping it down is even more nuts. Awesome typing, incredible set diversity, and will definitely break the tier with Tera.
And perhaps Sneasler if Dire Claw is banned
@@Skeloperch i also heard that reshiram is kinda bad
@CabbageMuncher13 sneasler Is broken even without dire claw. It's basically hawlucha with 40 more base attack, and hawlucha even with powercreep can still 6-0s team in the right circumstances.
Thunderclap doesn’t work against it but even that like you are never going to use jet punch against raging bolt, so it probably is still going to move first if you try to challange it
Honestly the downside of needing to come in as babyfin before switching out is actually not as irrelevant as it seemed at first. Giving up momentum to bring it in can hurt a lot, and if you lead with it it's extremely telegraphed and starts you off in a rough spot, your opponent probably has a spike or some setup or something now. I remember watching Joey's Palafin video and whenever he didn't lead with it it never seemed worth it to spend the time getting it set up.
It's only relevant for HO. Balance teams have gking and mola and gliscor. Tons of safe healing pivots.
@@SPZ-gv2on true but being bad against ho is still a genuine knock against it
@@NotAnElk I think he meant bad FOR HO, as HO wouldn't be able to afford losing momentum to get palafin into its Hero form.
Yeah I kept trying to correct my comment and the UA-cam app just like, wouldn't show it so I couldn't edit til now. I do think it also has problems against HO though, since forfeiting momentum against an HO team is potentially a really big problem. Like at the end of the day it's still Palafin, it's not a bad Pokemon, I just think we've been underrating how much that 1 turn of limp progress can actually be detrimental.
Granted you wouldn't be able to use an item, but Ogerpon-Wellspring doesn't want to switch into Acrobatics
Also with one bulk up, drain punch 2 hits Ogerpon-Wellspring SD with 96 Atk investment and in return, Ogeron-Wellspring can't OKO a 80 Hp invested Palafin unless it's adamant.
Ogerpon can’t switch into neutral coverage from Palafin. Ogerpon takes about 75% from Zen Headbutt and Close Combat straight up OHKOs Ogerpon (both assuming Choice Band or +1 from Bulk Up).
Oh and Palafin straight up survives Horn Leech with no investment.
@@CuddlyTheMadElite It survives max attack power whip with 80 hp investment. Also, don't forget about Tera
Also works with air balloon on bulk up sets, gives it spikes immunity while still having itemless acro since near nothing okhos it. Good set for webs, a few people have gotten suspect reqs using that team.
@SPZ-gv2on Tera will be the reason why this is banned
they saw the Superman movie trailer and had to bring him back
This is great timing, I just completed classic mode for the first time ever in pokerogue with a Palafin
Same!
i finished it with houndoom fiery wrath!
Jimothy Cool, as a top 99% viewer i deeply value this parasocial relationship. What is you opinion on Chople Berry in today's gen9 LC? Do you think it should get the same treatment of Pecha berry and become a dastardly runt pokemon? Let me know your thoughts.
Christmas present for rain teams
How is he gonna match up against my boy Hydrapple??
Switch in on Fickle Beam, we gambling!
Drain Punch VS Giga Drain, let’s go!
Aqua Jet? More like Aqua… Bad!
Hydrapple keeps him in check, trust!
If Close Combat doesn't do enough, then Ice Punch will.
I like how it is the only good "taunt" user.
Lando also commonly runs taunt
@danyg0000 landorus has to rely on stone edge for coverage when it runs taunt.
it is not that good.
@@videakias3000 It's not a necessary move. Faster Lando sets often prefer taunt to prevent opposing Stealth Rockers and also to shut down Corv's defog and roost. If you rocky helmet Corv is just going to wear itself down with Brave bird and helmet chip. Also taunt is literally one of the default moves for the sample Lando set in the builder
Palafin saved me from a collapsing building
personally i think it might actually be really fun for the metagame i can’t common on its healthiness as i haven’t played with it yet however
I can't believe we're living in a timeline where people are considering a Pokemon with a base 160 ATTACK something that could come to OU. This is insane.
Kyurem black was OU for a while with base 170 attack
@samepicgamer Kyurem Black didn’t have 60BP +1 Priority STAB, or any STAB for that matter
Paluigi mentioned, Jimothy class consciousness confirmed???
252+ Atk Choice Band Class Conciousness Paluigi-Hero Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. Lvl 1 0 HP / 0 Def 0 IVs CEO: 59136-69576 (492800 - 579800%) -- guaranteed OHKO
2:50 I love how Great Neck cannot be contained by the box
Ah, of course. As long as we have legendaries like Ogrepon, Zapdos, Kyurem, and Zamazenta, we should be ok handling Palafin.
I'm all seriousness it is cool to see it back in the meta again. It provides a pro interesting niche now with the new threats in mind
How does Palafin do against Araquinid after using Endeavor after its Custap Berry activates….
“They just-WHAT. WHAT. HUH?!?!”
-My reaction to the title
A VUELTO PADRE!!
This is what slaking would be like if it didnt have truant...
I just watched your OU Tier List video... Of course the first thing that is mentioned here is OGERPON WELLSPRING
What a wonderful gift 🎁
Thunderclap doesn't beat Jet Punch. They both have +1 priority, and Palafin is usually faster than Raging Bolt. And like Sucker Punch, it will fail if the target is faster and uses a priority move.
The one thing I would say AGAINST Alomamola checking Palafin is that it has a huge HP stat and mediocre defense, so even with the resist it's Drain Punch fodder, even if Palafin has to switch out to dodge a burn. Alternatively, it might be so passive against it and DP heals so much with a couple bulk ups that it turns into setup fodder even if Palafin gets burned.
Oh yay, another pokemon for Jimothy to suspect test
I'm mostly a vgc player but i have also some experience with singles and i think palafin will probably be good and healthy for the meta, it's very strong yes but now with all these new counters making it switch out more and spikes and other hazzards it will probably be balanced. This is just what I think and I'm mostly speaking from a vgc player
Choice band will definitely suffer because of hazard spam but palafin can OHKO ogerpon with close combat, and survive a power whip from it with hp investment. Same for raging bolt.
TBH I'm predicting it's gonna move away from the bulky taunt set if it sticks around. Annihilape got crept out trying that playbook and I think the points you touched on go that way. Banded Ice Punch for RB or maybe something like a Seed/ Acrobatics set to dunk on the Wellspring/Rillaboom it invites in.
The raging bolt shit always catches me off guard.
So what I'm hearing is that we are dropping the nuke known as Palafin Hero on the unsuspecting UU Meta
I don't know if Palafin will stay but I am excited for the prospect
merry christmas jim
Every dolphin has it's day
jim how did you overlook palafin having 106 spatk and boomburst, its obviously throat spray tera normal boomburst
What do you think of an assault vest variant?
Jet punch tera blast ice punch drain punch.
Poison tera
I played a couple of games against them and it didn’t even come out when they beat me. I feel low ladder is going to skew some opinions in the vocal chamber.
A Christmas miracle, or nightmare, if you will.
Is Prima really a Palafin answer when it kinda crumbles to strong physical attacks. Water resist doesn't help that much
Because its new Illustration art card in Paldean Fates is dope. 👀
Palafin has a base stat of 650 after switch and no ability, soo when we remove slackings ability it would no longer be banned
6:44 Is it good into moth tho? They got 6-0d by lead moth in the blunder video 🤣
I really like your videos. Keep the good work brother
This Metagame would be very interestingly changed if ferrothorn was in it
FERROTHORN MY BABY GIRL
10:08 Grass Knot: Am I a joke to you?
On Palafin, yes
It's not that threatening, grass knot base damage depend on how much heavier the opponent compare to the user, but Palafin is heavier than Primarina, so grass knot base power is only 20, not enough to even scratch Primarina
@@HungLe-ig1ijthat's wrong, Grass Knot only factors in the target's weight in total terms, the relative weight of the user is irrelevant (unlike how it works for eg Heavy Slam)
@@HungLe-ig1ij It 2HKOs Dondozo though.
@@ChelseaInSp4ce oh, sorry, I thought it calculated based on the difference between the user and the target, thanks for the clarification
Fluttermane next? No still broken?
Endure reversal litchi berry jet punch acrobatics.
I don't hate the idea of Palafin makinga return, though I do fear what will happen if it starts running acro + ice punch as coverage... Acro hits grass types and Ice Punch hits relevent electrics
I find this type of video much more interesting than the list videos. List videos are cool and I watch them from you but you have been posting a lot of them recently
so we got dolphin for this christmas and no Robot Santa?
I’ve been using the banded set on bulky offence and wow palafin feels like anti offence, like if you have an answer for oogerpawn, dondozo, and things like water absorb clod, very few things can take a neutral Tera water jet punch!
Palafin is kinda great on hazard stacking, jet punch destroy resist when taken damage from hazard
Merry Christmas to you Jimothy, and could you please pass on my regards to Palafin? I haven't heard from him in a while.
they brought back Palafin the same time they let CTC back on the ladder, coincidence? Everyones getting pardoned.
Palafin hard stomps HO, especially in the late game. It doesnt feel that great into tankier teams tho from what i can see
So what this video is saying is that I want tera grass tera blast, drain punch, jet punch, a neutral hitting move on flying/electric and an assault vest. And use it as a wall breaker and not a sweeper
I'm sure someone will find a way to break it, but I imagine that you're right that it isn't nearly as capable now as it once was 🤔
With Palfin unbanned we must ask ourselves if the horse/dolphin alliance has gone too far
This is insane folks
They let him out of prison for Good Behavior. 😔
The real Nightmare before Christmas
It's the holidays, free iron bundle
I've been asking for a retest of this thing since the first DLC came out.
I mean cmon, we've added a bunch of other new stronger Pokémon and not a single one of them can keep Palafin in check?
Nice they're finally doing it though. Next up
Ape
Annihilape? Mr 300bp move? Uh no...
@Gold_Gamer_100 mr needs to get hit 6 times to get 300BP. In THIS meta? Nah he'd get cooked
@@roberte.o.speedwagon6043It makes clicking uturn a liability, comes in vs a ton of bulky mons for free, and even if you only hit it once or twice it's already a nightmare to wall.
I think its gonna end up overcentralising rain for a bit, new toy syndrome and all
Rindo acrobatics 🤔(assuming rindo is the grass resist Berry)
Dolphin Claus is back guys
*Thats a weird looking horse, Jimothy*
This is madness.
Ive used him a little bit in balance and hes a fine pokemon. Ive also tried him in HO and hes a little too slow to get going
IDK if this thing will break the meta or anything but I think it's way too good NOT to find a place in any OU it would infiltrate.
Palafin cc at plus 1 attack or with CB does like 97 min to ogerpon and i have gotten like 6 suprise kos with it
Choice Band Jet Punch OHKOs Iron Val after rocks xdd
Honestly I say keep palafin in, could really help against a certain Shogon.
Ngl if this is still broken, i think a way to balance it is that every time that it switches out of its hero form, it returns to his Zero form, making it hard to use but rrally worth it if you know what you are doing
Game Freak is the one that makes that decision, and I don't think they'd make that decision
It's fine in VGC, they ain't nerfing it.
@nonadqs it's bad in vgc, just use brainless urshifu and press any move into ant slot for 70% to a ko
Our favorite broken pact paladin dolphin is finally FREE!!!
Palafin will stay. Way too many checks and counters.
Volcarona next surely