What Has Ranked Become in Overwatch 2?
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2024
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Honestly from a content perspective personally I find it a lot more fun to watch someone who enjoys what they are doing (not ranked it seems) rather than see them suffer so if there is anything else you enjoy I’d love to see it ( this is just constructive criticism not a rude comment or anything like that)
i appreciate you taking the time to make sure you're coming off the way you intended :) i'm sure flats does too. i agree, i watch flats for his personality, not the overwatch
I disagree. I like seeing people get tilted playing comp because that's actually what happens. Happens all the time in diamond/masters. I don't like when all creators do is show their best games because it's not an accurate or honest representation of what comp is.
Hi
(This is just constructive criticism not a rude comment or anything like that)
@Genesis Osuna i agree that tilting and bad games happen all the time, but if flats isnt enjoying himself, he should probably take some time away from it. i dont want to tell him what to do, rather it'd be good for him to know he has the option
@@genesisosunathat’s fair to show what it can be like but when I used to play another game, I was constantly tilted and not enjoying myself. Honestly it screwed up my mental health real bad, because why the hell was I subjecting myself to such mental torture when I could either a) choose to change my mindset or b) simply switch to another game. It’s easy to be okay with tilting when you want accomplish a goal (like ranking up or simply getting better) but when you play the game when you simply feel like you have to because that’s what you’ve been doing for the past 2 years, its just not worth jt. I just don’t want Flats to get so burnt out that he tanks mentally
seems like Brig is extra effective agains Flats since he immediatly tilts just by seeing her on the enemy team
This is the most silver take I've read today
@@deankyle22 I don't even play this game, so silver might be a few ranks too high
@@KozmoPoly you’re not allowed to make observations or you’re instantly bronze
brig is not good enough for him to throw fits like this. He choked and blamed it on a character he dislikes. Its crazy.
her stun can cancel JQs ult thats why
the state of tank is actually crazy
It’s support too
Would you like to play...
• A class that has to heal their team, but also have insane abilities, with rly small hitboxes
• A class that can output much damage with also having pretty good abilities
• *The lone frontline bullet-sponge ult-battery with lower damage numbers and huge hitboxes*
@@leftyyy23 JQ defo has lower dmg numbers and a huge hitbox, you are sooo right!
@mathiaschristensen1194 she is an exception, but now that I think about it, that sentence mostly is for Reinhardt
@@matthewbladow504 support is literally the strongest role rn wdym... (i'm a support/dps main)
the hanzo at around 7:30 held a fully drawn bow at you and shook his head no before you absolutely ripped him apart
Yeah because thats another Streamer and Friend of Flats, Jay3
@@sagerwraps9990 ranked cinematic universe
Counter swapping your opponent is pretty muc the most important thing to do in this game atm. Ults don't mean much when you can just swap to a character that counters the best player on the enemy team/tank. The ult charge conversion is cool on paper but all it's done is turn Overwatch into Counterwatch where you spend the whole game just swapping characters and it just isn't fun imo.
Nah no need for swaps when you can just go reinhardt
@@Jaaguri "Swaps to ram to ram my fist up your keister"
@@Jaagurithen JQbis on that ass
Can't play genji or widow without being counterpicked by the most braindead heroes in game that require 0 mechanics.
@@lostxnxyou Not knowing how to play vs ur counters is the reason ur hardstuck. I got better at widow by playing specifically against tracers and sombrad until I was able to diff them. Don't blame the counter pick, get good.
Love how Flats sees Jay and he gets tunnel vision 😂
People think tank is a problem because focus fire doesn't exist at most skill levels and healing in this game is insane right now. Tank is not the problem, it's support, but it's easy to see how people can mistake a support problem as a tank problem.
I would agree. Game sense is everything, target priority, etc. Focus fire like you said. I think this is also a problem with 5v5 though, as with 6v6, they didnt have to attempt to gigabuff any one group to compensate for the other. At first tanks were OP, now its support in order to carry the tank since tank is solo without additional tank help, problem with that is it also makes DPS unkillable depedning on rank and situation so the poke game is massive and poke game with zen right now is just way to oppressive to tanks, cause again, like you said, Focus fire is what happens in ranks that actually know how to play a shooter
I’d say it’s more a dps problem then a support problem
@@laughingjack1109 it's an issue with power creep, so it's an everything problem. Support are just the top dogs currently.
He drops on Brig and misses both his abilities. That's not a Brig issue, that's a Flats issue.
agreed but its not just healing they do crazy damage now too. Zen needs nerfed for sure, every game is getting smacked by zen or a mercy boosted dps.
"Did you pay my tank (to lose)?
"Tank is just a cosmetic as this point"
"Their rein is the best player on our team"
These might be the funniest overwatch quotes I've heard in a while, ngl had me pissing my guts out
All cuz of 5v5 stupidity! Frm 12 players to 10 players ahh so easy on the servers and better queue times!
I'm a RAMATTRA main, playing TANK is so Boring!
Open q feels more fun, although not everytime...
Yeah, so fun to play tank... If you are doing well it's mystery heroes, because it's so easy to hard counter.
Flats watching his life flash before his eyes at 2:15 with that fire strike
I really don’t think that the ult buff is what made brig played a lot. I think the ult buff brought people’s attention to her, and people are only now realizing that she’s strong
She's been overpowered and unfair since she released, this is nothing new
Wait this isn't subnautica!
It's naut?
@@MrTomaat23 It's nutz
@@MrTomaat23 I sea what you did there
I’m questioning if the report button even works? Cheaters aside the amount of times I’ve reported throwers, trolls, and people afk spamming chat with links/slurs and gotten no ban message pop up is ridiculous. This dps is afk in spawn being toxic in chat about throwing and jumping off the map repeatedly in comp and no ban message nothing
Yeah its insane at the diamond/plat level sooooo many leavers and afks. I dont get it. Need harsher punishment for leaving
Pretty sure it isn't
@@Jack-bu9gu leavers are only half the problem at most honestly
Don't play comp
Flats: I don't play comp anymore. Every video since: comp.
After few months, flats: i don't play ow anymore.
Prolly cause people wanna see comp than just him going on qp and stomping. But ngl ow2 is just- tiring. Partially just matchmaker being eh, partially just no content, partially blizzard being greedy. And like 4% people just not knowing how to play their roles sometimes
pretty sure it’s also bc he’s playing with karq, he seems to not play comp unless it’s with a friend or something
@@motiqn yeah cuz 1 noob on ur team and ur toast! This wasn't the case when it was 6v6, where it was okay even if 1 guy was noob.... Just sayin how bad 5v5 is in general.
He's still using the videos from the single play session he played with karq about 3 weeks ago.
Them: What is this match? What are we playing? What is happening?
Me who's bounced between gold and plat for years: This is just how most of my matches play out...
Guess it's sadly gotten that bad in the higher ranks now...
its not even just a t500 thing ive had like 8 hr ranked sessions the past 2 days and like 40% of my games are either people in plat that play like their in bronze or people that literally walk into walls and feed for no reason other than to tilt others. nobody plays seriously anymore
Hanzo/Zen HAS to be the most unfun thing to go up against as a tank, you just cant play the game ever.
Hanzo zen is aids if you dont have shields like doom, jq, ball, etc.
Any high dps... dps and zen is aids if you have shields.
even worse if they have mei added to that
Mei, Zen, Brig, Sombra, and the tank can be decoration.
@@realms4219 and the mercy making the 1 shot heroes immortal just by holding m1
I honestly don't enjoy Reinhardt nearly as much anymore after his little health nerf, he feels so fragile now idk why, you can bring down your shield and just insta die, idk maybe just me
Supports with more than 10 deaths is totally insane....but a support going 15/13...the hell ?
The game has BEEN unplayable since it dropped for folks who don’t no life it. I think something that’s funny is now even the ppl who legit do nothing other than play the game are feeling it.
that right there is copium. Anyone who thinks you need to nolife overwatch to be good at it is just mad cuz bad.
Now high elo is stuck with the same monkeys that got the game fecked over to begin with. All these awful changes were to sate the plebeian lower ranks and whiny support babies who could no longer hide behind 2 tanks.
Literally 5v5 just brought all of the overwatch communities issues to light in a far more obvious manner. The reason majority of the community hates anything is due to skill issues, so things that actually need fixing get overlooked.
THE DPS PASSIVE THAT DID SOMETHING WAS REMOVED BECAUSE PEOPLE COULDNT AIM. NOT BECAUSE IT WAS OP BUT BECAUSE PEOPLE LITERALLY COULDNT HIT THEIR SHOTS WITH A MILD SPEEDBOOST.
Almost every change since launch has been to cater to bots. SO KINDLY stfu.
real
Between the state of the game and how braindead the community is as a whole, I uninstalled this game after hearing about PvE. It's not worth it anymore. I'm not saying everyone is stupid but a good portion of them I wonder how they tie their shoes without breaking their hand.
@@damon6086 This
Ranked is:
one side stomps the other, no one haves fun because its just not close..
I feel like this is the reason so many people are moving away from overwatch. Valorant even has a tournament system when we dont have a basic ranked matchmaker...
Because of how stupidly low the time to kill is. It basically means which ever team makes a mistake first loses and the rounds are so long that the problems just compound until the round ends.
Totally agree. Looks like OW2 borrowed League's "49% win rate" matchmaking. 1st game: you stomp. 2nd game: you get stomped. Repeat.
the matchmaker is just too loose. I feel like sure keep quick play the way it is, but why can ranked not be a little bit more selective. Like as a diamond 5 player earlier today, I see game average diamond 4, it sounds good on paper, then I check profiles, we have masters tanks(game mustve been awful for them) other support was plat, one dps was diamond the other was plat. Just ridiculous game, but this is the majority of games in ranked. Only they set the default to be profiles set to private so they can hide this bs.
Hell Fortnite even has a better ranking system now lmao
The stomping is because of a change they made in matchmaking system in ow2. Basically they are prioritizing the queue time for actual skill so that people would stop crying about the long queue times. It's actually worse this way imo
This video seems so familiar
But yet it seems like a normal game of Overwatch
its a reupload
@@isaacshadow100 Not quite, decided to look through and it's from the game in:
"How Overwatch 2 Almost Made Me QUIT Entirely"
So it's a match from a longer video, still a nice video though
@@Flippirino So it's a reupload. It's literally the same game uploaded twice.
@@avananana A reupload to some, whilst a shorter video to experience a singular match as a video to other
Hence the not quite a reupload since it's not the same video and has a bit of different edits for parts of it, it shares the same match but with some things changed or moved around
Basically saying minor things are different so it's not entirely a reupload
"Every game is absolute dog shit" this is exactly why I've started only playing for points and not giving a shit otherwise. It's less stressful when you just don't care
I literally quit overwatch yesterday and I’m now playing elden ring… I regret nothing
I was just watching your vids and now you uploaded, interesting timing. Awesome vid!
it took me a genuine ten minutes to realise jay was one the other team and not watching the stream..
I swear this video already got posted like a week ago.
Yeah I'm in the same boat with you, maybe it was from jay3? or an oopsie woopsie happened here.
@@xsomewhattoxic flats' team recycles content between his fifteen channels a fair bit so its hard to say
yeah this game has already posted like a week ago ua-cam.com/video/O-usOYWoGOs/v-deo.html this is the full version of the game that starts at 4:05
Flats content r always late
I KNEW THE KIRIKO TP THING WAS A BUG
Yo fr ranked sucks now. The past few days people keep leaving mid match first round…. :( I’ve never lost 9 matches in a row before until now. 😢
The reason mobas work is because the game isn't decided on characters, but the players.
The skill input to effective output in this game is killing it for me. No one likes rock paper scissors, no one has for the life of the game.
Part of the fun of overwatch, and its always been this way, is being good at 4 or 5 different characters, and getting to be good with them in specific situations. Overwatch has never been a game where you can pick the same character every game and win, which is a good thing. It gives every match variability
@@Caffeine_Addict_2020 the issue with this is that no, not every match is "variable". Especially with how characters are objectively better than others. Ash is played significantly more than mcree, sojrn mercy pocket, JQ, etc etc.
People actively dislike rock paper scissors because, maybe I want to play monke. Now they have a reaper and I'm basically S.O.L. I wanted to play a character, and now if I continue to do so I'm basically throwing. This feels incredibly bad, especially when the hard counter is skill-less. Think genji into mei.
Removing player autonomy is not good game design. Players want to be able to play their favorite characters without feeling like someone can just crush them with no skill input because their character counters yours.
this is why 6v6 is a better and more balanced than whatever this game is now,
i would sacrifice both the second firestrike and cancleble charge to go back...
copium
6v6 was objectively worse, it just hid all these problems behind CC and more defensive resources.
5v5 only sucks because of catering to the bottom% of the game.
@Tracer Main nah,6v6 is 100% better
With 5v5 It took me 3 seasons to even get one game with a semblance of teamwork compared to 6v6 where it pretty much was that every match.
I promise you that even total mayhem has more teamwork than competitive 5v5
@@KURENANI 6v6 did not have more teamwork. Go watch some OWL, so tired of ranked andies thinking 6v6 was better just because teamfights were lost slower.
YOU LITERALLY FEEL AN ARTIFICAL DIFFERENCE. Anyone who knew how the game worked already saw the fights being lost as the mistakes happened, but because it took longer it felt less bad.
The counterpicking is only an issue if your team doesnt know how to play the game. Counterpicking was a bigger issue in ow1 than it is in ow2. What does reaper not exist in ow1? does phara mercy not exist in ow1? does widow not exist in ow?
Tank duos could peel and make up for team mistakes easier sure, but if youre stuck with an idiot on offtank youre just as screwed as you are in 5v5 with no dps or no supports.
Its just more copium from a community has no fucking clue what it needs.
ALL 5V5 DID was amplify the issues ow already had, and not just with its balance but with its whiny, coping and delusional community.
@@KURENANI the teamwork thing is just the community
Does MTD mean main tank diff? I'm still new to overwatch but I've seen it in some old flats videos when it was 6vs6
Yes u would be right
Idk what the system is cooking anymore I won 5 games and lost 0 and i deranked
6:17 That’s rough buddy 😬
The Ana and Zen really had it out for you.
I feel like something happened in the last 3 days. I dropped from gold 4 to silver 2. To many Mercy and Echo combos
Soldier, reaper, or bastion would all counter that pretty well. Echo doesnt have as much health or maneuverability as pharah
@@Caffeine_Addict_2020tell that to players that can't hit a rein standing still
Yo jay3 hitting a pulse bomb?! 2:07
Something... just something no more to say 😂
9:50 was *chef's kiss*
It’s become my causal games
The editor has a good taste in music
Dude i get that kiri slingshot bug allllll the time its so fucking annoying. And the tp just doesnt work but doesnt go on cooldown bug.... ive also had it not work but go on cooldown before. Can they just fix this damn ability please 😭
Again, down in Plebe Rank here, as I play mostly QP, but the least fun I have with this game boils down to 3 things (as a Support / Tank Main):
- Widow, Hanzo, Bastion, Junkrat and Pharah’s entire existence.
I hate the melt factor of Bastion, Junkrat and Pharah, especially when our DPS refuses to counter-swap and/or just can’t hit the target. I tend to swap to Baptiste so I don’t have to worry about movement reduction with Ana, but still, I shouldn’t have to pull double duty when these guys refuse to stay out of LoS against the opposing team.
Widow and Hanzo just feel unfun to fight against. Widow has no hitbox, and even if these guys land a body shot, you’re in death range because of all the other shit going on.
- Getting CC combo’ed to death by Tanks.
Overall I just don’t like being mostly deleted without a counter option.
- Not being healed because our Supports have a touch of the bloodlust.
This can’t be helped. At least before this was F2P, people knew what their roles and expectations were. Now I feel like every game is me and four 9 year olds against some OWL team.
I can’t describe how accurate this is; I’ve been playing my gfs account but recently created my own and it’s tough; especially with not having all the characters to swap to when needed. And yes I legit had a little kid in my game the other day in comms. This game is so fun and is the best game ever; support/tank main
Tho I’m struggling with Mei, Sym and Sombra; too
You sound like you just stand in the open, get deleted, and then blame the game.
The game isn't unbalanced at the lower ranks, you just aren't that good at it. That's not a game issue that's a skill issue.
Just wait out bastions turret form then they are useless. They have the hitbox size of a tank without the health. Unless your going against a really good bastion they arent that good. Most just use turret form instantly so you just wait a couple secs then push in hard cause they’re practically down a dps at that point.
The picture of angry winston is how i feel about ranked right now
There people that think tanks need to be nerfed??? Sounds like someone doesn’t kill the supports
we need 6v6 back tbh. Tanks are just in a shit spot rn, I feel like they couldve easily just done the same changes and the game wouldve become so much better, because already the problem children of orisa and sigma dont combo shields anymore.
@@SecureBirch410 Issue is then you haveta nerf tanks and shields to the ground again to prevent goats 2.0
support needs the nerfs - its easier to kill 2 dps and a tank than the 2 suports
@@SecureBirch410 Right on the stop,ever since 5v5 got introduce none of the roles are fun now,i just play the one with the losest que time
@@airamnunez9214 goats was already fixed years ago after role queue got added. That not exactly something to worry about. Tanks were already weaker in ow 1, just bring back those tanks, but with the new changes like no shield orisa
I’ve literally just stopped playing tank ranked. Even down in diamond it’s not a good time. I’m the only one ever talking and the tank role feels like you’re just cosmetic unless the rest of your team is pulling their weight. There is very little carry potential on tank anymore.
I'm actually curious, but with everyone saying how bad tank is, what can one really do about it? Nerf them too hard and they just become nearly unplayable like Hog. Over buff them and they just become these unlikable machines like Queen. I just don't see how they could balance them.
Also side note, Kiriko's teleport has been buggy for like, a whole ass season. Teleporting higher than your target and getting the teleport animation, but not actually teleporting. Sometimes that shit even goes on cooldown. Her suzu is also buggy in that the immunity effect is seemingly the last thing that occurs when you use it. Like in instances where you cleanse yourself and a teammate, only for you to die and for your ally to actually get cleansed. Or when you see the effect but still die, or when the enemy gets bopped by it, but you still die, even when throwing it at your feet-
I have cement home gym, and it's like portable so i can take it outside, so I got all 3 of the type, and because of this, my neighbor that see me doing Freak Friday (when i go even further beyond) they come to join the lift 😂
1:00
Bruh that happened to me….it’s so annoying
This Junker queen footage is from his other video “How Overwatch 2 ranked almost me me QUIT entirely.”
Is this just a shortened version of the original video?
Comp matchmaking is a joke. Im plat3 on DPS and was up against a pair of GMs last night. Regularly put into lobbies against diamonds and low masters. Went 5 and 13 and got demoted to gold 1 and was nonstop accused of throwing
I like how its all smooth sailing til they swap characters and it becomes less fun
First minute is what I hate about push.
Did anyone see Jay just shaking his head when flats was nanod
This is just a segment of the last video relating to comp-
Ya know tank might have been the same in ow1 but there was just another tank to help them
A literal season or two ago, I was almost diamond 5 on tank. This season ;however, I am dropping and losing games way too often. My last W:L ratio was 5:13, because either I faced Junker Queen(who is so broken) or cause the team didn't know who to switch to. Tank role is an abomination, it is insanely difficult to climb(at least for me). The worst part, as a dps player, I get the enemy so low, then they get healed and have their hp back in like a second to where I get screwed over. Healer role is so broken, not only that, Blizzard really had to make Brig get a giant shield like Rein LOL. Also nerfing Zarya and Hog to the ground to where they aren't vital counterpicks and making Junker Queen completely broken to where it's almost impossible to counter. Well Done Blizzard.
the more i read your comment the more it made sense, im a tank main, same thing with me i was just shy of diamond last season, and im struggling to climb, where as in support a role i only played when bored, i hit masters fairly easily. support is incredibly broken imo
bro if something is broken then use it lol? I never touched junker queen until the update and got good with her in a couple days
Also diamond 5? bro just say ur a plat player lol
@@djg2008 I mean that's what Goats did
Bro if you cant climb out of diamond its a skill issue, not a game issue.
I love playing tank heroes but hate playing tank, it's kind of miserable. I now officially have more fun playing support/DPS than tank:/.
Ngl i laughed hard at the “looks like MTD”
Literally how it is when a team switches a hero to bastion
When I tell you even in Plat it’s genuinely unplayable at times
Don't worry guys, I'm sure the PvP will get improved soon. They're only a group of small indie devs. And they've just scrapped 4 years of work, that'll surely mean the PvP will improve. Right guys? Right????
All tank is, is counter picks. You’re playing chess to stay ahead Fr
I am confused. I have seen this entire thing before. Did you post this somewhere else or am I having visions of the future in my sleep?
JQ is feeling like a raid boss in gm lobbies right now.
didn't we watch this match before? or am i going insane
Why are they pushing Brigette onto us when they KNEW they would be announcing the cancellation of PVE. WTF?!?!?! They're DARING us to uninstall
Had rank games like that recently
I been losing the craziest games this patch
Is this a reupload or did you just have this game in a bunch of shorts?
Is this a re-upload? I feel like I’ve seen this code before. Unless it was a clip from tik tok or something.
I was a top 500 Mcree main in overwatch 1 and just downloaded OW2 over the weekend.. I placed masters 3 and holy wow has the matchmaking changed.. I consistently see “masters” players with gold level mechanics and awareness.. Idk what happened but they’re letting anybody into masters + it’s weird
I onetricked rein into masters and then jq got buffed. I have not touched tank since
These Ranked games are starting to look like OW Ranked from past Season 33
Has Jay3 posted the match from his perspective?
Am I crazy or have I seen the parasio match in a previous vid
Didn’t you upload this video already?
It’s weird how flats doesn’t like getting knocked around but only mentions it when brig does it.
Yeah bcuz its not fun to get knocked around by brig any other character is fun or scary but brig just not fun to get pushed around
@@anthonyjohnson4642 I don’t find it fun to be knocked around by any character. Especially some scrawny little robot that doesn’t even walk.
@@paytonyoder1260 oh yeah zen is bs but he hates zen enough already also lucio is like the only boop that is fun idk y
How do you think ranked/ competitive could be fixed?
Just out of curiosity I had a Lucio beat drop disappear on me… like not ajax… like disappear … and the only thing that happened was the enemy Kiriko hit me with her zuzu just before I hit the ground…. Is that a thing? Can Kiriko cancel sound beat with zuzu?
Knowing kiriko probally she stops reins charge somehow
I only started overwatch since the launch of 2 . Its pretty fun. I started playing rank in late season 2. I started playing brig when everyone considered her the worst character in the game. 90% of the time people told me to switch before the game even started. But im in diamond now 3 i think and maybe im not seeing the same thing everyone else is seeing because im new but. What is everyone complaining about?
Brig PTSD. Nobody complains about brig as much as flats and samito
It's just people that suck or care too much about their rank that complain the most
Rank today was weird I had lot of bad games….
he got that unranked 7 typpa crosshair💀💀💀
dude im slowly becoming a flex player because the state of tank is just so unfun to play most of the time. I was a hard hard tank main until recently
How do i submit a game for bronze spectating on console
What are your thoughts on locking in heroes each round?
how did he leave a ranked match
Im literally in the edge of deleting overwatch out of my existence.
Ranked honestly ruined the game for me. I was bronze 5 (so good) and after 5 wins and 3 losses I stayed Bronze 5. What's the point in climbing if the only way is to unrealistically win EVERY single game :(
Man i wonder what will come first pve or the nerf to discord orb
probably more skins
Matchmaking has hit an all time low in qp and ranked this season.
Definitely one of the games of all time
Master in ow 2 is like plat in ow 1
didn't u upload this video before???
So I wasn't going insane when I made a comment about how easily I was dying as a tank to my buddy when we still played. It looks like Blizzard wants OW2 to become more like CoD, where offense and dmg dealers are the only thing that matters. You might as well get rid of the tank role in competitive since it's just for show at this point.
So I play tank now more than ever, other than the lost fun of 2 tank synergy it is infinitely better. You’re essentially a hero class walking around, yea you take a lot of CDs which can make you feel useless but just think how useless you feel in support for example. And dps is just not for me
I wish I could play the game on good computer before Blizzard put the game on lifesupport -in lower ranks the gameengine chooses matches according to your custom fps settings -obviously silver are 75 hz + and so on but i guess the line gets blurred - playing on a office monitor takes me nowhere soon
When I ask my friends to play OW, they taunt me by saying "mace to the face, mace to the face" over and over again as if to make fun of me for wasting my time in a game with brigette in it. I haven't spoken to then since the PVE news out of embarassment.
holy sh%#
That looks like my diamond games lol
I just listen to music and don't care about the outcome of matches all that much. Now that OW is F2P i just go with the flow.
their supports were like really making plays tbh