The TRAGIC STORY of Two German Soldiers in WWII | American Artifact Episode 35

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  • Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
  • WWII was a deadly whirlpool that sucked in the lives of millions of men and women. For some, it was a one way journey that they wouldn't return from. For others, it was an experience that would stay with them for the rest of their lives. In this episode of American Artifact, we're diving into the collections of two German soldiers with Erik Dorr of The Gettysburg Museum of History to explore two paths that the war took these men on.
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  • @bubalusarnee6325
    @bubalusarnee6325 2 роки тому +60

    As a son of a Wehrmacht Veteran, who sufferd his whole life from his wounds and traumatic experiences, and who learned the vallues of freedom and democrathy the hard way, i really appreciate your excellent video! Thank you and best regards from Germany

    • @TheHistoryUnderground
      @TheHistoryUnderground  2 роки тому +5

      🙏🏼

    • @susandalton7889
      @susandalton7889 2 роки тому +13

      Thanks. My dad was an American soldier who fought in France and Germany during World War Two. Like other draftees, he didn't particularly want to be there, but never had things about Wehrmacht soldiers, only the crazy, misguided ideology they fought for. So sorry to hear about your dad's issues. My father never suffered much trauma from World War Two as far as I knew, as he died when I was quite young, but my poor stepfather had horrendous nightmares all of his life from his World War Two service, and drank too much as a result. As a veteran myself, I realize that war is just a waste. I hope your dad found some measure of peace at the end.

    • @bubalusarnee6325
      @bubalusarnee6325 2 роки тому +5

      @@susandalton7889 hallo Susan, thank you for your compassion. A war never ends. The following generations are more or less affected. It is so bad ,that people are apparently unable to grasp the implication of their actions and still follow despots and dictators. Good, that there are people like you , who can differentiate
      Herzliche Grüße aus Deutschland ,
      Thomas

    • @philipnestor5034
      @philipnestor5034 2 роки тому +5

      My father was in the Polish Army and at 20 years old he was fighting the invading Germans street by street in Warsaw in September of 1939.. After over four weeks and running out of food and ammunition the Polish Army surrendered. He was captured but escaped but life in Warsaw and the rest of Poland was about to get worse and the country became a huge slaughter house.He told me how fanatical and brutal the even the regular Wehrmacht Germans were not only to Polish army POWs but also the men women and children. It was difficult to get him to tell me stories but they weren’t good. The invaders called him Untermenschen and of course some people as we know had it even worse. One time I asked my father to describe again to me the day he and a wounded Polish soldier who’s stomach was falling out and my father was trying to hold his stomach back in tried to get down a street but were captured by a German soldier and he burst into tears.
      At 69 I still remember this and other things he told me and it still affects me. I have other stories from him and my mother who was from Austria. He was my hero.

    • @sgt_loeram1933
      @sgt_loeram1933 Рік тому +3

      Send my best regards to your fathers memory Sir…. 🙏

  • @ellebelle8515
    @ellebelle8515 2 роки тому +6

    What a great presentation- told not only as a story of two German soldiers, but as young men whose lives, along with their families, were deeply affected by the events of WWII. The photos and letters tell so much about the way they were loved/valued by their families. We should never forget that tragic losses affected every nation.
    My father made a lifelong friend of a German POW who was sent to a little remote Canadian community during WWII. Most of these prisoners were relieved to have left the fighting and many were stationed as farm laborers while interned. Many of them even returned to make a life in Canada after the war. This young German who worked at the farm of my grandfather kept in touch with my father for the entirety of their lives. My father and mother visited him and his wife in Germany some decades later.

  • @Terlurd
    @Terlurd 2 роки тому +56

    06:40 The identification card states (from top to bottom) that Helmut Borchert was born on August 25, 1925 in the city of Essen (in the Ruhr area). By profession he was a plumber and fitter. He has no distinctive marks or changeable marks. The stamp on the left side is virtually the proof that the handling fee was paid. On the right side is Helmut Borchert's signature and the stamp of the police president of the city of Essen dated October 12, 1942.

    • @TheHistoryUnderground
      @TheHistoryUnderground  2 роки тому +4

      Thanks!

    • @butcherwoman3753
      @butcherwoman3753 18 днів тому

      My maiden name is Borchert. We pronounce the ch as a k and enunciate the T on the end. My grandfather’s and father’s first name is Herbert. My grandmother’s hobby was genealogy. I will have to ask my Dad for the records and research. I remember my grandmother telling me that we have descendant’s that were hessian soldiers and in the German military. What are the odds I would see the last name Borchert.

  • @tanweekok1
    @tanweekok1 2 роки тому +20

    Thank you for such an interesting story of these 2 German soldiers. My friend Peter S. Rhodes of an artillery unit became a POW in Singapore Changi Prison HATED the Japanese, returned to Japan after many years to see his tormentors, wrote a book 'To Bury A Ghost' about his experiences. He was welcome warmly into the town where he worked the mines in Kyushu. He returned via the Pacific to the West and East Coast of US and cross the Atlantic to UK after the surrender. He became a good friend with Japan after burying his hatred of the Japanese.

    • @TheHistoryUnderground
      @TheHistoryUnderground  2 роки тому +12

      That what really gets me. If somebody like Peter Rhodes can bury his hatred and forgive his enemies, it seems odd that somebody born decades later can just decide that they're going to harbor some venomous hatred for people of the past.

    • @your_royal_highness
      @your_royal_highness 2 роки тому

      I love these stories in the comments section. You are probably familiar with a great book “Unbroken” which was made into a mediocre movie. But the book is great. Similar story about a guy who harbored hatred, “found God”, healed himself and led an exemplary remainder of his life.

    • @tanweekok1
      @tanweekok1 2 роки тому

      @@your_royal_highness Yes I saw this movie. He forgive his captors, But Not the Japanese officer who made him suffered during his captivity. My friend Peter Rhodes guards welcome him with open arms. They will very apologic of the suffering the POWs had suffered. That's forgiveness to move forward in life.

  • @harryfaber
    @harryfaber 2 роки тому +59

    On Wednesdays, I play Scrabble with a group of elderly French folk. This Wednesday, one of the ladies told a story about a German soldier who asked her mother if she would like some sweets. He bought some sweets, and gave them to (as she was then) the little girl. He told her mother that he had a little girl at home and he missed being able to buy her sweets, so for him, it was a pleasure to give some to another little girl instead.
    I think we all need to remember that which side each person was on was in many ways pure chance (especially for people in Alsace) and that all of the soldiers were somebody's son, husband, brother or friend.

    • @TheHistoryUnderground
      @TheHistoryUnderground  2 роки тому +13

      It's not always as black and white as we'd like for it to be.

    • @johncraig2684
      @johncraig2684 2 роки тому

      meanwhile in Auschwitz German soldiers were helping terrorise strip beat gas and burn small children day after day after day after day....and yes these monsters were somebody's son, husband, brother or friend.

    • @Hoth1907
      @Hoth1907 2 роки тому +5

      I visited La Cambe, a german cemetary in 2018. i will never forget the flowers laid down by an american group of visitors. The card atttached said: „you where also sons of mothers“. It struck me even more to learn the average age of the young german soldiers buried there.

    • @robandjowickham4504
      @robandjowickham4504 Рік тому

      Have no sympathy for you Germans.

  • @kennethnew3075
    @kennethnew3075 2 роки тому +24

    Everytime you show a episode with Erik it pushes the Gettysburg Museum up the bucket list. Outstanding as always. Thank you JD and Erik.

    • @TheHistoryUnderground
      @TheHistoryUnderground  2 роки тому +3

      👍🏻

    • @roberth5767
      @roberth5767 2 роки тому +1

      We are visiting Gettysburg in early November and this museum is high on our list of places to go!

    • @jonathanpasch6604
      @jonathanpasch6604 2 роки тому

      @@roberth5767 I got ten days off lined up this Thanksgiving and I've been dying to go. If you're from the Chicago area, wanna split the gas?

  • @ArizonaGunsDave
    @ArizonaGunsDave 2 роки тому +127

    I was stationed in Kaiserslautern Germany from 1990 to 1992 and have seen a lot of these types of artifacts. One thing I will say is, I could never judge these men who served in the German Army or the SS. This is something none of us can comprehend especially since we were not in their shoes.
    I will add that my friend and I were at a pub one night and an older man was sitting at the bar next to us. I was 18 and my friend was 19. I could feel this man looking at me and then he asked me if I was in the American military and I told him that we were. He told us, he is and was proud of the Americans and what we did and what we are doing. I was confused but he then told me and my friend that he was a Nazi SS soldier in WWII and that he has been living with such regret his whole life. He must have been 65 years old at the time. Anyway, he apologized to me and my friend for the things he has done and I told him not to apologize because he did what he was asked to do. I told him he did what he thought was right and that I would never judge him.
    For the remainder of our time at the pub, this man bought us many beers and then at some point during the night as it got late we had to leave. Before leaving we thanked him for getting us beers but also I shook his hand and told him I was just an 18 year old kid, it would be unfair to judge him or anyone and the things they did when I never was in his or their shoes.
    After we left I told my friend I said, "Man I just got out of high school and who would have thought it would take a couple of hours in a pub in a foreign country to get the best history lesson of my life."
    Believe it or not, I think of this man from time to time. I wonder what he did for the remainder of his life but I hope he found peace.

    • @TheHistoryUnderground
      @TheHistoryUnderground  2 роки тому +22

      Very interesting. I would have liked a few hours to sit down and talk to that guy.

    • @johnholmes1060
      @johnholmes1060 2 роки тому

      Oh man, I wonder whatever came of the 'just following orders' defense. Nice to know you'll never cast judgement on someone as long as you've never been in their shoes and/or they "did what they thought was right" - a line of logic which applies to all Nazis, Stalinists, Maoists, ISIS adherents, etc., not just their lowest subordinates. Seriously, practically no one thinks like a one dimensional supervillain, who simply does evil things for evil reasons, just to be evil.

    • @ArizonaGunsDave
      @ArizonaGunsDave 2 роки тому

      @@johnholmes1060 I knew "That Guy" would respond

    • @internetcensure5849
      @internetcensure5849 2 роки тому +3

      @@TheHistoryUnderground The enemy that fights with great courage, no matter the odds, is always "fanatical" to the US military: Germans, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, Islamic guerillas, etc.

    • @elizajohn5
      @elizajohn5 2 роки тому +11

      Americans have a lot of apologizing to do for the amount of viciousness they carried out in various countries.

  • @dangercloseusmc6902
    @dangercloseusmc6902 2 роки тому +12

    This was incredibly fascinating. The individual stories are worth knowing. Thanks for another excellent video. Mr. Dorr is certainly a fountain of knowledge.

  • @terranceolive6792
    @terranceolive6792 2 роки тому +3

    What a day and night difference between these 2 guys shined a new light on German combatants so glad to have heard this story

  • @1psychofan
    @1psychofan 2 роки тому +6

    So good! What a powerful example of choices made! No life is un-redeemable! May we all be encouraged to choose wisely today and mend bridges of yesterday! Not all burdens must continue to be borne

  • @beckybanta126
    @beckybanta126 2 роки тому +3

    I love history & am thankful for your stories of real people in real times. I too have a heart & sadness for those who who were not blessed with positive, helpful lives. Thank you.

  • @jimwiskus8862
    @jimwiskus8862 2 роки тому +6

    Thank you JD & Erik. The take away for me on Mr Borchert was indoctrination. No one is born a racist or hating, it is learned. In fairness to this man, he did not live very long. Who knows where he may have gone or what he may have done. Mr Voges showed what I would call a sincere thankfulness in being alive and devoted the balance of his life helping others. I so throughly enjoy this channel. There’s always something extremely interesting and new to learn. Thank you again.

  • @crazygame2724
    @crazygame2724 2 роки тому +4

    My mother was a nurse in the US Army during the WW II and was based in England on the Isle Wight, 115 station Hospital. Later she was on the continent. To her dying day she talked about that "poor German boy", who bailed out of his burning fighter plane and was burnt to a crisp dying 3 days later. She said how he suffered.. Impacted Mom for the rest of her life...

  • @Mist3rData
    @Mist3rData 2 роки тому +5

    Well done, i just love stories like this. Many people i know tend to think of German WW2 soldiers as monsters. But if you listen closely to stories like this you discover that these are actually men like us. Keep educating is!

  • @robg1234
    @robg1234 2 роки тому +9

    Thank you again for bringing these stories for us to see. I think the majority of German soldiers were just doing their job like most of the allied soldiers and just wanted to go home. We hear so much bad things about the Germans from WW2, It's nice to see the other side of them. I'd love to see more stories like this in the future. Cheers!

    • @mirquellasantos2716
      @mirquellasantos2716 Рік тому +1

      Doing you job is perfectly okay but raping, massacring, gassing, torturing and enslaving millions and millions of innocent civilians is not. Only cowards do such things.

  • @cyndiebill6631
    @cyndiebill6631 2 роки тому +6

    Theses were soldiers who were under the command of a mad man. They had parents that cared about them just like every parent that cares about their child when they go off to war. You have to feel for them and what it must have been like being control by such an evil human being.
    It makes you wonder how many of these men really wanted to fight in this and would have if the hadn’t been drafted.
    Thank you for sharing JD and Eric. Awesome video.👍

    • @TheHistoryUnderground
      @TheHistoryUnderground  2 роки тому

      👍🏻

    • @mirquellasantos2716
      @mirquellasantos2716 Рік тому

      I'm young and I can tell you that nobody can force me to torture and gas millions and millions of babies and small children. That's just diabolical. German willingly supported and helped that monster and when he was winning they were happy.

  • @juliusm3603
    @juliusm3603 2 роки тому +4

    Thanks for this video! Its true that you dont really learn or talk about individual stories of german soldiers of ww2 in Germany nowadays..
    The "mourning card" of the parents of the first soldier actually states that he wasnt killed in combat but died in some kind of transport accident.

  • @waynejensen4224
    @waynejensen4224 2 роки тому +1

    Years back , I would stop in by the local pub in Milwaukee. A place called B & B lounge. The owner and bar tender was a fighter pilot from the USS Enterprise. We had a couple great conversations.

  • @cnickle100
    @cnickle100 2 роки тому +2

    It is so good to see stories and artifacts from the other side of the war. So many people get pulled into the evils of war and caught up in what's going on. A good lesson for us to learn about leaders and government leadership. Thanks for this great video.

  • @jimmieloge575
    @jimmieloge575 2 роки тому +1

    Very Interesting, wonderfully told story of these two soldiers!
    You Always bring the Best of the BEST to your channel! I greatly appreciate how much respect you showed to these German soldiers.
    Thank you!

  • @cbshomebizplane
    @cbshomebizplane 2 роки тому +2

    I love how you get your research so well best history I have seen, I hated history until after joining the Army at 17 years old you grow up really fast I spent just shy of 9 years I do miss it but did things lot of people could only dream about. Keep up the great work God bless you.

  • @swgeek4310
    @swgeek4310 2 роки тому +2

    These POV and videos are more important more now then ever. We can't wash and erase the "bad" side of history (any history). It is critical to understand all sides especially those of the German, Nazi regime to better understand, learn and avoid these things from happening. Now more then ever...

  • @Terlurd
    @Terlurd 2 роки тому +6

    08:00 The obituary states that Helmut Borchert was killed in an accident on April 12, 1944, while on duty as a dispatch rider.

    • @spoosieoopsie1616
      @spoosieoopsie1616 2 роки тому +1

      Thank you very much for translating the obituary.

  • @thomasfennell7838
    @thomasfennell7838 2 роки тому +1

    Well done sir, WWII history is in my opinion fascinating. Learning the fate of soldiers, any soldiers and seeing photos of their families reinforces the fact that these men had relatively normal lives before the war and were coldly consumed as a resource. As bad as things were then during the war, it's difficult to watch this and not feel pitty and yet, sorrow simultaneously.

  • @scottpace8794
    @scottpace8794 2 роки тому +2

    Fantastic stories , presentation is awesome . Great job on all your videos. The passion the curator has is also makes the stories enjoyable and gripping to hear .

  • @boristhebarbarian
    @boristhebarbarian 2 роки тому +2

    at 8:00 it says on the larger right clipping he died during an accident on 12 -4 1944. (verungluckt means accidental, including road accidents)

  • @stephenrrose
    @stephenrrose 2 роки тому +4

    You and Erik do such a great job of not only bringing History alive, but bringing the people in that History alive! It's always interesting learning about the people from either side of the line! Thank you for letting us learn things!

  • @dave3156
    @dave3156 2 роки тому +1

    Another great job JD very moving story of the two soldiers

  • @davidking6172
    @davidking6172 2 роки тому +1

    Another great episode JD moving stories about 2 different Soldiers.

  • @jetsons101
    @jetsons101 2 роки тому +3

    Erik, these were both great back stories, sad what war can do to people. Helmut's life was cut short, not by his doing. Herbert's life seemed to be one of giving back to others for the rest of his life - war, at times can bring out the best in people. The B&W photos really bring the story home.....

    • @TheHistoryUnderground
      @TheHistoryUnderground  2 роки тому +1

      Glad that you enjoyed it. Much to take from their stories.

    • @jetsons101
      @jetsons101 2 роки тому +1

      @@TheHistoryUnderground Erik, If I lived in Gettysburg, I would love to be a docent in your museum. Thanks for your time and work.....

  • @davidharris7235
    @davidharris7235 2 роки тому +4

    Great video. Soldiers, from either side, were just trying to follow orders. However, some took it to extremes and were savages. Nice to hear of one who tried to do good with his life.

    • @TheHistoryUnderground
      @TheHistoryUnderground  2 роки тому

      Interesting to gain a little insight into who they were and what happened to them.

  • @reglisse42
    @reglisse42 2 роки тому +1

    Very interesting this report is very moving thanks for sharing

  • @anthonydm2947
    @anthonydm2947 2 роки тому +3

    Every soldier has a unique story.

  • @jonathanpasch6604
    @jonathanpasch6604 2 роки тому +1

    How cool to get a personal tour of Gettysburg Museum from Erik himself. You're a lucky dude.

  • @lthom5158
    @lthom5158 2 роки тому +1

    Very interesting stories! Great video!

  • @joemabry9643
    @joemabry9643 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you. Love your music choices. Makes me wonder what all gos into these pieces you produce. Thank s again.

  • @robertjessen1554
    @robertjessen1554 2 роки тому +13

    Great video. All to often we forget and tend to demonize the soldiers in the German army. I recently read a book titled "Blood Red Snow" about an infantrymans time serving mostly in Russia. It is full of insight and you see a commonality with US soldiers, they're fighting for one another rather then a great cause.

    • @mikeeckel2807
      @mikeeckel2807 2 роки тому

      7th of

    • @your_royal_highness
      @your_royal_highness 2 роки тому

      Precisely. I for one, am glad the French (at least the Normans) appreciate what the Americans did in helping their liberation but the soldiers were not there to help them per se, they were there to not let their comrades down. Amazing bravery and for a very basic, human reason.

    • @mrpolsco6872
      @mrpolsco6872 2 роки тому

      Yes read it as well as many many others including: The Forgotten Soldier, Tiger Tracks, The Last Panther.

    • @kellyg4818
      @kellyg4818 2 роки тому +1

      I read All Quiet On The Western Front recently and it was so interesting and engaging. Thanks for all the book recommendations in this thread, going to check them out.

    • @matty6848
      @matty6848 2 роки тому +1

      @@mrpolsco6872 yes I’ve read the Forgotten soldier written by Guy Sajer, brilliant book. As he wasn’t some fanatical SS soldier he was just a standard Whermacht infantry soldier who literally got thrown into every brutal battle you could think of..

  • @patrickvandenberkmortel4606
    @patrickvandenberkmortel4606 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for all the video's you make
    I am from Holland and a great fan from these video's

  • @JonStallings
    @JonStallings 2 роки тому +2

    Really love how you explore the nuance of history. It is never, black and white. It is also easy to judge or assume how we would have acted under the same circumstances.

  • @jeffg6008
    @jeffg6008 2 роки тому +7

    Great presentation. Patriotic men from all sides fought for their country in WWII and scores died. War is a tragedy. We need to do better 🙏

  • @andrewwarren3962
    @andrewwarren3962 2 роки тому +1

    You never disappoint when it comes to your history videos. Always interesting and full of information for the younger generation to learn.

  • @StratBurst92
    @StratBurst92 2 роки тому +1

    My Father was a Sgt. in the US Armies 160th Combat Engineer Battalion in WW2. One of his jobs was prisoner watch. He told me that the regular German soldiers hated the Waffen SS prisoners and vice versa. He said that they started killing each other and from then on, they were separated to stop the killing. I still have a German silver panzer badge and a nskk stickpin that he brought home and gave me.

  • @edwinsalau150
    @edwinsalau150 2 роки тому +1

    The museum does good work. Unvarnished history! Thank you!

  • @petersaysthings
    @petersaysthings Рік тому +2

    My grandfather was drafted and placed in the panzer division on the Russian Front. His younger brother was in the Hitler Youth (membership was compulsory for all children starting at age 10 in 1936), and he spent a few years trying to prove his Aryan ancestry. We're not sure if it was because he believed in the ideology or if it was to remove potential targets on his back (there were certain benefits to proving yourself), but we know he had expressed doubts about it to my grandfather while waiting for the trains that would separate them not long before he disappeared. My grandmother was in the female wing of the Hitler Youth (League of German Girls) when she was 14 because she scored very high on IQ tests. She worked in radar. They essentially tortured the girls into compliance by starving them a few days, then placing a cookie jar in their barracks and when one went missing in the morning, they dragged them all out and made them stand in the rain for nearly a full day before someone confessed.
    After the war, my grandparents immigrated to Canada. My grandfather became a pastor and gardener, wanting to turn his life around. He'd been taken out of the war by shrapnel in his hand, and he struggled to regain use of it for several years. When he thought no one else was looking, he would constantly practice and eventually regained use of it enough to garden. Meanwhile, my grandma took care of my dad and the other three kids. After my grandpa died, we found documentation that he'd lied about his rank, because he was slightly above the threshold to be prosecuted for war crimes. He was always a stubborn, aloof, irritable character and would disappear at random sometimes when my dad was growing up. A lot of it was due to PTSD (which they didn't even know existed back then), but I remember him as a charming, funny person on occasion with a somewhat hardened heart that was thankfully softened by my grandmother's influence.
    I've never really questioned the way I knew him, but my dad once told me a story how in Canada, there were a bunch of stray cats running around town. He took his brother-in-law out to collect them all, they placed them in a bag, sealed it, and tossed them in the lake to drown. 😭 My uncle felt very unsettled and horrible about this, and shortly after, one of the worst storms to ever whip through the town happened, which he viewed as God's judgment for what they did.
    I don't like to read too much into it, but that little story always made me question that if my grandfather could do that to cats, he could've done that to people during the war, and that's a terrifying thought to sit with. Loved the guy, but he was obviously very damaged, even had a high opinion of Hitler at times (most Germans couldn't argue Hitler revitalized the economy, but they didn't know the cost). But I try to remember how deeply the Nazis influenced him and the rest of Germany with indoctrination and propaganda. They're the reason his brother went missing, the reason my grandmother and her friends suffered, and so many millions died. They tainted and destroyed everything they touched. 😓 The fact some people still subscribe to the ideology today is deeply insulting to me, because they really have no clue.

  • @shadygiz
    @shadygiz 2 роки тому +3

    Great video again pal. Keep up the good work. Just as a matter of interest, theres an amazing story of an ex hitler youth & german paratrooper (5 medals & an iron cross) who was captured and sent to england as a POW. This man was a giant of a man and he used to help tend the local fields, where he fell in love with a local girl. After the war, he decided to stay on in england and they had a baby. Around this time, he was picked up by a local football (soccer) club as a goalkeeper for them. Unfortunately, his relationship broke down over his fears on how the english people would react to him having a baby with a local girl and what this would mean for his baby growing up. He was eventually signed up as a professional player by Manchester City (my club), but was again very wary on how he would be treated by our fans as a large amount of our fans were Jewish. After initial demonstrations and protests, he won over the majority of fans with his commanding performances. He went on to star in a FA cup final, where he broke his neck during the game and carried on playing until the end of the game. He died recently, but will always be a legend to our club and a lot of people in my home city of Manchester. He was awarded the OBE (order of the british empire) in later years for his work on anglo-german relationships through football. The mans name was "Bernhard Carl "Bert" Trautmann" EK OBE BVO , there is a film and many books about his amazing life story >>> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_Trautmann

  • @RH421939
    @RH421939 2 роки тому +2

    I have a luftwaffe helmet that came from Estonia with a bullet hole right through it . The condition looks exactly how I see in these videos when they did up graves . The real Erie thing is some of the guys hair is still there around the exit hole

  • @therampanthamster
    @therampanthamster 2 роки тому +2

    Love all your videos sir, but i must confess i have a particular fondness for the ones you do at the GMH. Eric's a great addition to the content. Thanks as ever! :)

  • @Rebel-Rouser
    @Rebel-Rouser 2 роки тому +5

    This was a good video. The SS soldier is a life extinguished. Has no children, his parents and other family members are gone. He could have been a good man after the war trying to do good to reconcile some of the things that were done. Who knows. He never got the chance. I've read a lot of military history and of late I've read a lot concerning the eastern front. That was probably the most horrific, cruel front of the war. What the individual solders from both sides had to endure was just mind boggling. I feel sorrow for all the soldiers of that front. Getting wounded and sent back home would have been a blessing for them.

  • @brandonkew9122
    @brandonkew9122 2 роки тому +1

    Very good video. Much appreciated. I think those relics should be returned to the families/relatives of those soldiers.

  • @scottnelley7439
    @scottnelley7439 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome video. Keep up the great work

  • @benjaminrush4443
    @benjaminrush4443 2 роки тому +1

    Well Done. Thanks.

  • @markpalmer6760
    @markpalmer6760 2 роки тому +2

    That was a great story, very fascinating enjoyed.

  • @JohnB-le2pi
    @JohnB-le2pi 2 роки тому +2

    I would love to see more details on Helmut's Infantry Assault Badge (IAB) and Iron Cross 2nd class. Makers marks especially. At one time I specifically collected IAB's and EK's and these interest me! Thanks for the great video!

    • @JohnB-le2pi
      @JohnB-le2pi 2 роки тому

      OK I was mistaken, the IAB and EK2 belonged to Herbert. Sorry for the mix up :)

  • @Datznet
    @Datznet 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you so much for this wonderful video. I wish there were more places in Germany where you could see such pieces of history with the soldiers‘ stories attached.

  • @MrEaglesfan40
    @MrEaglesfan40 2 роки тому +1

    Great video and story thank you

  • @roadlizardcu8664
    @roadlizardcu8664 2 роки тому +17

    Two horribly mislead youths stories told to the ones combat ending, the other trying to make amends after getting older and fully understanding what had occurred. Excellent that these stories were told about these soldiers regardless of for whom they fought for they were human with all the faults the rest of us deal with. Thank you and Eric so much for telling the soldier's story no matter the uniform. Thank you.

  • @Nighthawk1966
    @Nighthawk1966 2 роки тому +2

    Great stuff ! Very interesting stories ! Love it !

  • @eightballcuet
    @eightballcuet 2 роки тому +1

    I live in Sandusky Ohio. In neighboring Ottawa County is Camp Perry which was a German/Italian POW camp during World War 2. Might be someplace you want to check out.

  • @enriquemireles8947
    @enriquemireles8947 2 роки тому +6

    Thanks JD very informative as always. My opinion of the SS is that they were probably looked at as an elite group and those who were patriotic wanted to join. All soldiers are told follow orders and we have seen in the past not all the orders are correct. The Gettysburg museum is a National Treasure Mr. Dorr has done an excellent job with it I hope to visit someday.

  • @phillipallen3259
    @phillipallen3259 2 роки тому +1

    In our current environment, people forget that a soldier is a person too. If you look at the combats especially in the two world wars, most of them were just boys who in different circumstances would have perhaps been friends. Young men who, for right or wrong were sent to kill each other for an ideology. But in the end, most of them were just boys and your video demonstrated that about perfectly. Thank you!

  • @Mr97Bene
    @Mr97Bene 2 роки тому +2

    Very very interesting video. Please keep up the good work. Greetings from Germany 👋

  • @brandyjean7015
    @brandyjean7015 2 роки тому +3

    The 1st young man, Helmut, looks very resigned in his photos. It's easy to imagine, that he would have preferred to remain in his factory job.

    • @TheHistoryUnderground
      @TheHistoryUnderground  2 роки тому +3

      I would imagine that a lot of those guys would have preferred that. Especially in hindsight.

  • @adriannarobeson4758
    @adriannarobeson4758 2 роки тому +2

    I am fortunate enough to only live 60 miles from Gettysburg Pennsylvania, living in Baltimore as I go up there all of the time , I half to make a visit at that museum up there to see this stuff ,, I know exactly where it's located at ,, this is very fascinating and sad , knowing how evil can easily brainwashed a generation and we must learn from it and must not allow it to happen again.

  • @martysheets6882
    @martysheets6882 2 роки тому +2

    Another Great show Boys. You made my day.

  • @roberth5767
    @roberth5767 2 роки тому +2

    It has been several years ago, but I was an American Boy Scout leader in The Netherlands. Our troop went to a weekend scouting event at a castle near Frankfurt that was run by the German Scouts. I saw a framed letter in one of the hallways that was from the mid 1930's, complete with swastika letterhead and all. It was to the local boy scout troop stating that effective on a given date, the boy scout troop "XYZ" would officially become Hitler Youth group "XYZ" and that the new leadership cadre was in route. I'm sure that anybody who opposed this plan was delt with harshly.

  • @bh4885
    @bh4885 2 роки тому

    Thank you for a great video

  • @christinedelman887
    @christinedelman887 2 роки тому +1

    Fantastic story! The first guy choose the SS which we know was the worst of the worst. The second was infantry, probably wasn't a bad guy, just following orders like soldiers have to, but turned it around to not just help individuals, but try to help humanity! Thank you for sharing this one!

    • @erniefrijole2618
      @erniefrijole2618 2 роки тому

      I doubt he chose the Waffen-SS. He was probably "voluntold" because he appears to have been brought up with athletic ability in the Hitler Youth.

  • @TheFunkhouser
    @TheFunkhouser 2 роки тому +3

    Your vids are so touching JD, you give BOTH views and this is so real and needed these days. Thank you.
    Yeah he was SS but Id bet he was still just his moms and pops little boy with those same boy thoughts. Its hard for us now in this 'easy' life to comprehend how different and tuff life was back then 😖😪
    ▶ Edit: Do you know what.. Like he said, in Germany the war isn't talked over much out loud. The Pacific theatre is the same in Japan. They dont talk about WW2 either, its like a big hush topic (I have family living there and even if I push the topic, they just will not talk about it 😪 ) Very sad imo 😔🙏

  • @terryl7874
    @terryl7874 2 роки тому +2

    War is so sad for both sides. People whom could be friends under different circumstances are forced to kill for their respective government. 🙁

  • @emilioalcazar4170
    @emilioalcazar4170 2 роки тому

    Really amazing video,honor and respect for them..fantastic items for your museum!

  • @henrycalhoun5809
    @henrycalhoun5809 2 роки тому +1

    First time I have heard of this Muse um.

  • @darrenhill3514
    @darrenhill3514 Рік тому

    I WILL visit this museum. It seems almost as important as going to Europe itself with the # of items and knowledge about each item.

  • @wildcolonialman
    @wildcolonialman 2 роки тому +1

    Fascinating.

  • @kennethward3354
    @kennethward3354 2 роки тому

    Thank you Again

  • @strychnyne3530
    @strychnyne3530 2 роки тому

    My grandfather was also drafted near the end of the war. He was killled and my grandmother never knew where he was buried.

  • @kylehenry4213
    @kylehenry4213 2 роки тому

    Wow one day I would love to go to that museum

  • @janetcarey6954
    @janetcarey6954 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you for sharing the lives of these two soldiers. Amazing how different their lives were. I grew up next door to a family from Germany. The father was an SS officer and father of 6 sons.

    • @violettesager3946
      @violettesager3946 2 роки тому +1

      …& what was your thoughts about them 🤔⁉️

  • @justinmishler6758
    @justinmishler6758 2 роки тому +6

    You guys should definitely start covering Vietnam as well. Those guys aren’t getting any younger.

  • @johnbowie3566
    @johnbowie3566 2 роки тому +1

    Beautiful Museum!
    Greetings from germany

  • @brandongardner9829
    @brandongardner9829 Рік тому

    Yeah man they were just victims, young boys, just like we were, no different. Thank you for honouring these young men too, respect.

  • @markt9805
    @markt9805 Рік тому

    Great video, how many days do you recommend to spend in the museum to adequately see all the exhibits? It seems like an amazing collection.

  • @Luke-dj2tk
    @Luke-dj2tk 2 роки тому +3

    Incredible! I was in Krakow last month. And i was looking on a market stall and for sale was 2 of those Nazi work books exactly the same as this video! Really enjoyed this

    • @jeanpascaud4218
      @jeanpascaud4218 2 роки тому

      @Luke
      Please i can read english but i dont understand when spoken..What are the books from Krakau which you are speaking from ? Did you bought them? Were they expansive ?
      You can write in german if you cab. its easier for me!
      Best regards.Jean. Paris

    • @Luke-dj2tk
      @Luke-dj2tk 2 роки тому

      @@jeanpascaud4218 your instagram name?

  • @kimnolte237
    @kimnolte237 2 роки тому +1

    Love your content!!

  • @fireabend_1226
    @fireabend_1226 2 роки тому +1

    Hello dear history team. The first young man had a fatal accident at the age of 18. 25 on April 12, 1944 as a motorcyclist on the Eastern Front (08:02)

  • @pauldouglas3084
    @pauldouglas3084 2 роки тому +1

    Great video mate so sad 😭😭 can't wait for the next video mate 👍🌟

  • @darthfader733
    @darthfader733 2 роки тому +2

    In my collection I have a WWII German death card for a Wehrmacht Captain who was killed in July 1941 in Russia, the card has a photo of him in his dress uniform with his sword which I also have. Thanks for another great video.

  • @denbraun2732
    @denbraun2732 2 роки тому +1

    Really very interesting! Thanks for telling us the story without annoying propaganda and demonize any body!

  • @samkangal8428
    @samkangal8428 2 роки тому +1

    Having a look at a single person is diffrent .
    I'm german ,and we do tal about our Grandparents and their stories .
    I wonder why people deny it ,we also have memorials for the missing ones in a lot of graveyards .
    Who can be sure what he had acted like if he was a german back then .

  • @kiwifruit27
    @kiwifruit27 2 роки тому

    Interesting, thanks, also congrats on 300k subs

  • @theparrotrescuer3042
    @theparrotrescuer3042 2 роки тому +1

    Love your videos

  • @butcherwoman3753
    @butcherwoman3753 2 роки тому

    I would love to read letters from the civil war and WW soldiers. Amazing. Interesting. A treasure.

  • @rolfagten857
    @rolfagten857 2 роки тому +3

    Hardy Krüger, the actor who died in early 2022, had also entered the Waffen SS as a conscript. The Nibelung Division in 1945.

  • @BanjoLuke1
    @BanjoLuke1 Рік тому

    My godfather, who died a few years ago aged 95, was a British student conscripted into the Army in 1941 who was commissioned into the Royal Signals and won an MC in Belgium in 1944. Before the war he was a Boy Scout and an exchange was organised in 1937 with a German organisation. He came home from Germany deeply impressed by the uniforms, the rigid discipline, the fabulous transport infrastructure and much besides... His UK scout troop had had an exchange visit with a Hitler Jugend group... But the dark significance of that name was not appreciated at the time. It simply amazes me that a few years later these boys were killing one another.

  • @edwardhopf2654
    @edwardhopf2654 2 роки тому +1

    Very neat documentary.

  • @keithmitchell6918
    @keithmitchell6918 2 роки тому

    Very cool. And very sad.

  • @OpinionatedPeach
    @OpinionatedPeach 2 роки тому

    Well done.

  • @robbiemcc4355
    @robbiemcc4355 2 роки тому

    Fabulous.

  • @billywalker9223
    @billywalker9223 Рік тому

    An old fellow, Uncle Vince, Vincenzo Migliori, told me stories about fighting the Russians over potatoes in a shed. He and his brother were Sicilian SS on the Eastern Front. He had two drawers full of pictures of his military service. They came to America, and started the first pizza pie restaurant in Newport News, Virginia.

  • @zacheryrobertson9811
    @zacheryrobertson9811 2 роки тому

    Well done

  • @pyramid_pictures
    @pyramid_pictures Рік тому +1

    According to his prayer card Helmut Borchert was not killed in combat but was killed in an accident with his motorcycle. His job was courier on a motorcycle ("Kradmelder") for the SS.