Unclipped Vlog: Should I Test More E-MTBs?
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- Whether you like it or not, it seems like motors are taking over mountain biking. So should I test more of them or stick to my gurning guns and concentrate on conventional bikes? Genuinely interested what you guys think so please let me know in the comments.
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From where I sit, EMTB's are more relevant to "MOUNTAIN BIKING" than slightly modified 'offroad' road bike/gravel bike reviews.
E-MTB's allow a lot of us to still ride with our much lighter and fitter friends, or make up for excessive years and or past injuries. Regardless of what some think, they are the future of MTB!
You should definitely do more e-bike reviews Guy!
I get the whole e-biles are great for those getting on, injured, new to biking etc etc, but I’m 46, been riding since i was 2. I’m fit, not injured, and went to e-bikes about 4 years ago after your Whyte e160 review. And I’ve never looked back. I kept both my Yeti SB160 and Giant Glory for about 12 months after getting an e-bike but ultimately sold both, as neither got a single ride after getting the e-bike.
They just let you do more biking, where’s the harm in that, I’ve never got it, never will???
And your style of review is what makes it, makes you unique in the UA-cam world. As mentioned, there are other reviewers out there, but a lot of their work is just like a paid advertisement.
Please keep doing e-mtb reviews alongside your regular mtb reviews, Rob Rides is cool and all but his videos are more like paid advertisements then reviews.
to add to that I greatly appreciate the way you do your reviews, as you stand out compared to other reviewers with both your experience and your review format.
@@blakkpatron thanks mate, that really means a lot
I'd say yes. It's still a mtb ,electric or not. I believe the industry needs someone like you to give honest reviews, I think you're one of the few that most people would trust in terms of geometry, ride characteristics etc. Like it or not ebikes are here to stay.
Specialized lady hit it on the head. If you can have both , all the better . I’m 80% pedal ,20% eeebs . Best of both worlds. Completely different experiences. Both enjoyable 😊
@@simonbowlzer9046 yeah I’d always thought of it as an either/or situation, not a both
Yes because your most straight forward reviewer going
@@paulbygrave6859 thanks mate really appreciate that
It makes sense that you should be doing more reviews relevant to emtb’s as more and more people are choosing to ride them for whatever reason. For you to remain relevant you must bring your incisive and highly relevant comments to people who prefer to ride e bikes.
YES, 110% would love you to review more e-bikes. I don't think anyone in the industry has more experience and knowledge.
Yes is the short answer, it would be nice to hear unbiased opinions and reviews on e-bikes. When I was looking for an e-bike there were very few honest reviews out there. Lets face it, it's a minefield. lightweight, full fat, short travel, long travel, big batteries, small batteries, range extenders, I could go on. Due to work and family commitment's, ( and if I'm being honest, a lack of motivation ), I don't have the luxury of building my fitness up by riding three or four times a week. I switched from a Calibre Bossnut ( a bike I bought after watching one of your reviews) to a full fat Cube Stereo hpc 160 with a 750wh battery, and yes I'm overbiked but it allows me to ride with fitter, better riders than me. I ride regularly and predominately with "analogue" riders, and while I'm the subject of lots of banter it's an inclusive group. I've had the e-bike for 18 months and in that time I've become fitter, ( I ride in mostly eco and with the motor off now, yes you can do that 😮 as opposed to emtb and turbo when I started ), I've made lots of new riding friends and my bike skills are better, although mainly because the bike flatters me 🤣. I think a proper Kes review, ( one that cuts through the bullshite ), of various e-bikes would be invaluable to people looking to buy an e-bike.
Yes review both warts and all, I appreciate your unbiased views
Absolutely! I love your reviews and features on all things mtb and occasionally gravel - 2 of the things I spend my time doing on bikes. I succumbed a year ago and bought a trek rail 5 base model e-mtb and use it for holidays in Wales ( off there for 3 days riding with that and the gravel rig next week ) the Lakes and more hilly places than what we have here in flat Sufflok. I spend most of my time riding the gravel and occasionally my full sus or hardtail around here and use the e-bike as a bit of a holidays and hi days type treat bike. My wife and lad are trying to persuade me to by another e bike so one of them can go riding with me. So yes absolutely you should cover them as much as all the analouge bikes that we still all love and desire. As this video proves, they arent just a fad and open up a whole new experience. Techy climbs now become as fun as the descents - who would of thought that! Keep up the great videos Guy!
E-bikes are a big part of the cycle world these days. I tagged along with group of rides few months ago. I was the only one out of 8 riders on a human powered gravel/ road bike . (No I didn’t get left behind ) they all said never going back e- bikes all the way . I think we need to know how reliable and costly they can be some e- bike testing would be good .
I love the honest and straightist to the point, yea if your going to do review no matter what it's on I think your attitude to it works 👍👍
Yes, you should move with the times and the market.
I've marshalled Ard Rock for the past three years I was blown away by the number of motors I saw this year but I do think it is a good thing. Having owned a Focus Jam2 previously it helped me fall in love with mountain biking again at a time when I simply didn't have the time and fitness to ride the terrain and distances I love. I'm now in the same position again but without the Jam2 but I'm not up to date enough regarding the E-MTB market to know where to look. I would second another comment that states that Rob rides is more an advertisment for brands rather than providing honest reviews, I think the industry needs that to keep them honest and I don't think there is a better individual out there to deliver that other than yourself to be honest Guy.
Yes.
Personally I've watched your e160 videos multiple times as it's probably the best there is in the model range.
Focus on manual bikes and watch your channel get smaller and smaller Guy. The future is eMTBs, on a recent trip to the Alps two large bicycle retailers stated that 90% of their sales are electric assisted, 5% manual and 5% children’s. Further, faster, explore more, still a great workout and ride with ALL your friends almost regardless of fitness, age or weight and that’s priceless.
I purchased an ebike in 2018, canyon spectral on. It was great fun at first , but I struggled with the extra weight, maybe because I'm a light rider , 10 stone. Also quickly realised how much more expensive they were, with the speed you are replacing components. Wasn't until I did the BHF peaks challenge on my mtb with a load of mates that I remember just how much I enjoyed the buzz from smashing a tricky climb. Stopped riding it 18 months ago, sold it 6 months ago.
@@sw1neymtb89 that’s really interesting to hear but I’m sure you’re not alone
That is interesting. I'm a light rider 9 stone 7 and I fi d my terro x REALLY heavy at 25k. I really like it though as it has powerful motor and big battery but if slow to a halt and lean I fall over it's that heavy.......I am over 60 😅
It's great 4 me but I am looking to get a lighter non emtb as well if can afford so I totally get your point
I finally switched to a trek ex-e this year, really opened up the range of riding i do. Much more likely to explore off looking for different routes, i know if it doesnt work I can backtrack without being bothered about it. I can still pick it up to get over stuff, or throw it in the car. You are right, the warranties need to get better, if my cars electric motor can be warranted for 7 years, why cannot my bike?
@@puppet-head first time I rode an Eeb in the Alps that was my biggest take home. It didn’t ride that great but it let you take risks with routes knowing you wouldn’t get stuck the wrong side of the mountain in the dark
Yeah I think you should do ebikes, it’s now a massive part of riding, I love my Levo but there’s a lot of info which I feel is hidden, like you said the IP rating. I could not find any info on the Brose motor rating other than its IP rated… that’s about as good as asking how long is a piece of string and I went for the Levo due to the warranty.
I ride both and would love to see you review both…why not? They both have wheels and pedals and both get you out in the hills with a smile on your face, so what’s the big deal 🤷♂️
Definitely more e-bike reviews and e-gravel too. Just bought a Specialised Creo2 and wished more (Honest) reviews like yours had been out there on other brands, including ride weight, spares, after sales feedback as I bought it online and was left to my own devices to wing it!!!.
Been a massive fan ‘since god was a lad’ and at 55 still shred before I’m dead😂
Love that saying "shred before your dead" 😄
Here is my take i was a normal cyclist,one of my mates bought an ebike and said i would never buy one,had a shot and changed my view bought one specialized and now a road ebike.
Gets me out and losing weight.
Loads of people with negative thoughts about e-bikes but i see more people on them nowadays.
A bit of both, but I still prefer normal/analogue bikes. Especially the custom builds you put together.
I quite like ebikes given I've got one, there's certainly a time and place for them. Problem is a huuuuge part of any review with them simply has to be about longevity of each of the motors to be really worthwhile. Suppose that could come from different long termers rather than a review of a specific bike over a couple of weeks.
No 😂
The more you can report on the better as your options are very unbiased compared to some 😊
Finally good to hear someone talk about the reliability of ebikes, i use to ride with groups of 30+ mates/riders years ago, at 57yrs old I'm now the only one not on an emtb, i follow the other guys on strava and most of them seem to now have more and more problems with their emtbs failing and wearing out prematurely. Seems they are always in for repairs, worn parts are high and so cost of keeping them going is stupidly high, my bikes just keep going with the odd chain replacement mostly.
@@dangerfulmind exactly this!
I honestly don’t get the hate, For me, I’m 53 and 14-5 Stone with 2 youngish kids and life getting in the way of getting out and keeping fit, I’d not been Mtn biking for years as it’s so hard when you’re not very fit. Since I’ve bought my Cube, I’ve been out 5 times in the last month.
Ard Rock was great this year , and I did it on my Orbea Rise E Bike. For me the stable is , Stanton switch 9er ( winter, mucking about no fuss) , Giant Anthem ( epics, love going fast, marathon events ) , Orbea Rise, trail, mountain days , enduro. Love them all!!!
Last point - I demo new stump jumper ( same as you tested) and took up for stage 1 and 2 . To be Frank it was amazing and felt so light and fast . BUT and this is a big but - 1- the costs £7k… makes e bike look cheap😅, second no way are you keeping up with mates on full fat e bikes unless you tuned it into life’s mission!!
Yes do more, you have the experience to cut through a lot of the sales jargon and give us a good honest review a lot of them look good on paper but you hear a lot of horror stories.
Absolutely! You seem to have a fresh and honest take and we need that perspective as well. Although I love to ride my Relay, I fully know the motor might crap out, the tire and cassette cost is going to increase. But still, I get to do 2-3 times the km of riding in the same time I used on my non-assisted bike. And fitness is up as well.
Oh, and now I got to test the radials from Schwalbe, more cost 🤣
Guy, your review of the Whyte EMTB solidified my choice to purchase my first EMTB. I just like your unbiased analysis. So yes mate, forge on it’s a new era and to have your input, in my opinion is absolutely worth your efforts.
I think you should test what you enjoy testing. Always love your reviews!
Some of my local trails don’t allow e-bikes. I’m a fan of them, but I won’t be a buyer until that changes.
Personaly I'm not particularly interested in e-bikes but there seem to be alot of people that love them. I probably wouldn't watch an e-bike review (although I'm watching this!) but I can't see a negative to bringing your experience to the e-bike world for others to enjoy.
Lots more on ebikes would be great 👍 laters 😀
I have a passing interest in ebikes but they're not there yet and very few people actually need them. I did the Ard Rock epic on a normal bike and weigh 125kg. Having tested a couple at the Santa Cruz demo day at Stainburn the only place they were more fun was on the climbs but they did mean I could do more, at least until the battery died.
From a review point of view it's useful to hear how they ride but your experience with battery life will be very different to mine due to the weight difference. No reviewers seem to talk about how much power they actually put out and how long it can be sustained for. The nominal 250W limit isn't even close to being true if I can nearly empty a 720wh battery in 1:30 with an EP801.
I bought a whyte rs 150 from your review great bike
Not a word about problem number one of offroad e-bikes. Motor reliability. Second one : repairable e-bike motors. Third one: compatibility : new motors and batteries not compatible with older frames. So if your 3 year old motor or batterie dies ferquently you end up with a frame for the waste bin. Four : specific internal batteries that can not be charged or taken off the bike. Five :lack of short cranks produced by shimano, sram etc : pedal strikes kill motors. The (e)bike press lacks criticicism. They never ride bikes for a long time and they don't have to pay for it. But I think if you will mention this too much you will not be test riding a lot of bikes.
The more honest review's the better, currently ride Levo SL, SC chameleon and Scott speedster gravel, so 1 EEB and 2 analogue.
Do both but personally I ONLY like e-bikes.
Some reviews of kids and junior bikes would be useful!
@@cponeill I used to do them but my girls are both at college now!
Hi Guy,
We’ve spoken lots of the years and your advice has always helped.
I’d say test and review all types of E bikes as they’re the future and obviously you’ll be honest in your reviews which people respect you for.
The advice you gave me helped my purchase and the bike and shop backup in your home town which we spoke about was pure class when I had a couple of small problems.
I’ll be honest I’m not interested in non assisted bikes nowadays as I don’t ride them.
If you review E bikes I’ll make a brew and watch.
No brainer mate, plus your getting on 😉
Keep up the good work 👌
Not interested in e-bikes if you could start in 7 years when I’m 75 that would be great 😂
I think it would difficult for you to give 100% to an ebike review. You’d always be comparing them to the equivalent normal version of said bike and how they’re all a bit heavier than your favourite bike. Rob is pretty unbiased these days, when he started out he compared every ebike to the Levo, as that was the best at the time, but these days he tests varied selections and gets varied outcomes. Steve (Embn) also does great reviews, but is hampered by sponsors and having to pretty much advertise the product at the same time. Sam’s Bikes also does great reviews of only ebikes, he has a vast and varied library of reviews. In the end, you probably don’t need to review too many ebikes, you’re more a fan of enduro, xc, gravel and road anyway, which is a great help to the cycling community!
I think you should comment on ebikes Guy. I've race a MTB every year since 1984, one of the OG Cheshire and Peak members, I f@@kin love cycling. I'm seriously considering an e bike cos everything bloody aches these days. Your opinion as an acoustic rider would resonate to many people like me who love to pedal XC bikes, love a hoon on a gravity rig but just feel the suffering of a worn out human chasis is possibly taking away just a bit of my enthusiasm for getting out on big days.
I have similar opinion to you about ebikes, also everyone says ebikes are the future, but they are not the present, kind of says they still have problems that need fixing.
In 10 years please 😀
Yup. Personally- I have zero interest in regular mtbs now that I have an Ibis Oso. So much more fun. All fast, all fun, all the time. What mtbing was always meant to be to me.
Great video, thank you.
It's really not "cheating" and some might sneer but it gets me on my bike more (i'm carrying a couple of injuries until my puff is up) so the elitism can feck aff 😁(I used to get eiitism with my no brand heavy hybrid when I got into it again.. so yeah.. the elitst slugs are always there)
I built my own mtb ebike with one of the mid-drive kits that are available (primarily for cost, or rolling cost because I had enough bits to build a serviceable mtb at the time) and it's been brilliant. I've done the trails around Avemore / The Cairngorms many times and had no issues. (a couple of minor injuries 🙂)
I get the reliability thing, the rear cassette does wear faster (I haven't had any other issues), but I have accepted my fate.
I'd like to see more e-bike stuff in a GuyKes style and as one of the coments below said "I greatly appreciate the way you do your reviews, as you stand out compared to other reviewers with both your experience and your review format."
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Great stuff man, keep it up!
yes why not
Why not - it’s a bike after all ..
Not bothered either way. But then I would say that as I don't ride ebikes. From a reliability point of view I think it would be interesting and useful for folk with ebikes to have another point of view. No doubt I'll get one one day but for now, l'd prefer not to, even with Rheumatoid Arthritis buggering up my body.
I’m 57 and last year battled knee cap pain (patella femoral) and have kept my normal pedal bike, a giant trance, but bought an egravel and an emtb. Now, fitness hasn’t been impacted even though I’m 80% on the eebs, reason being, I’ve doubled the time in saddle plus I keep my heart rate (using wahoo elemnt roam as a visual training tool) to zone 2 which means I’m not finishing a ride completely knackered out. Stats: Cwmcarn Cafall and Twrch trail on emtb 2 hours average HR 125, max 146 compared to same loop on giant trance pedal bike 133 average, 167 max (moving time was 3:59. 1661 calories versus 1450 cals on the emtb and only 2 hours ridden in normal assist not turbo mode). The 26.5 kg weight of the emtb is an added work out with a lot of body English needed to move and jump it around compared to 14kg Trance. My knee pain has gone and I can do my day job which pulls 13k steps on average so I’m not a desk-dweller. Must mention reliability, on second motor on the emtb after 3 months from new due to water ingress plus eats cassettes and chains so it’s not cheap. Full warts defends future thwarts.
I’m 54 and want to stay analogous until my body let’s me down. There’s a market for them and they’re popular so maybe you should review them but I’ll probably not watch (scared of getting drawn in !)
Mtbing is about the fitness and getting away from electrical devices/tech etc and being at one with nature
Guy please test Mondraker Dune R …..I would love your opinion on it !
@@guysteel3344 was with the Mondy crew at the weekend so I’ll try and get one ASAP
@@GuyKesTV …..if you could that would be great . Many thanks.
Luddite here so not for me. I’m not interested in having any more battery powered things on my bike except lights. If it helps the channel though then cool, I can always skip them!
Are you riding with a locked out fork?
I've got a few bikes acoustic Hardtail, acoustic Full suspension, & two full suspension eebs, my moto is different bikes, different rides 😀
Hell yeah! Both. Love your insightful reviews.
Yes test e-bikes great to hear your take on them
@@73pleb cheers
yes
One of the things many of us like about your reviews is... YOU, so the subject is sometimes secondary. So if e-bike reviews means more you, then yes, if it compromises things and makes it different then maybe not. I like the experiments you make with the downcountry builds etc, I like the format and the cumulative knowledge you can put into ride reviews, does doing e-bikes open up more opportunities to do stuff like this? I agree with the lady on the specialized, longer travel doesn't normally appeal to me, but it does with a motor. I'm e-bike curious, but all the reviews feel like adverts at the moment, so I'd like your take on them. For instance - is an e-bike hardtail worth it? How does it FEEL... that's what I like about your videos is you give a sense of feel of a bike more than anyone else I've come across. Not the BS 'it rides like a normal bike', but however you find it.
Both! But much prefer normal bikes!
Love your experiments best though!
More Downcountry specials!
@@maxlloyd3740 don’t you worry I’ve got some right creations in mind 🤣
No because your heart isn’t in it for now possibly in the future when you feel they are benefiting you and can give your honest reviews
@@johncox5460 that’s a very fair and astute point. Or maybe reviewing them when I’m not dependent on them will give me more clarity 🤔 I’m really not sure ATMO
New Bafang motors are rated Ipx 6. You can eatch a video where they are immersed into water and still work. Stop the fear mongering.
I remember the Kinesis Ride hardtail video you did , i really wanted one of the back of that review as you could start with the motor the take it out and ride as a normally bike , great when your getting back into riding after a long layoff, its a shame they stopped making it , but would be great to review a few e bikes every now and then
I don't ebike, but lots do. Keep your market share. Include your normal format.
Winner winner chicken dinner.
Yes
Yes please Guy. I bought an Orange Phase last year and love the brand, love the bike. Had Oranges for around 35years. Knocking on a bit now and go out with lads from17/35 years younger than myself. Try to keep the assistance as low as possible but sometimes a helping hand is great. Always enjoyed your no nonsense and enthusiastic videos so definitely. Thanks and keep up the good work. 👍👍👍
I think it would be great to get your feedback on the phenomena. I am going the direction the lady spoke of - Cannondale Scalpel and Ari Timp Peak. I don’t really enjoy enjoy climbing on my acoustic enduro. I do enjoy it on the Scalpel.
@@kenshosobad I need to get on a Scalpel, one of the few I’ve not ridden in that category
Its Amazing!
Love your content! Your always the first I go to for reviews.
Prefer to pedal like you Guy. Understand you have to serve the market but I’m 55 and just wouldn’t consider an ebike unless I lived near a big trail centre and could save on not paying for uplifts.
All I see on local trails is people wearing shorts on mtbs and people wearing trousers and a pack on ebikes then they tell me it’s still as much exercise - bs to me
Are you riding with the fork locked out at around 15.00 minutes 😮
@@jameslines9794 haha good spot, I was having a complete muppet day. I left the rear shock locked for the previous descent as well. Then flatted on the two stages after that with both ends open 😵💫
No. There are plenty of places to get that content.
And if you do - you cannot make statements like, and I paraphrase, "Specialized are great at warranty.... Another brand I know of, are not". That provides zero useful consumer information.
Yes,your knowledge is unmeasurable and energy unmatched.
Why isn’t the fact that many people find eeb improves access a good reason to pay attention to them? There’s some really bizarre arguments made. There are downsides to everything. Would you stop reviewing non-electric bikes if I thought up a downside or two to non-eebs? Of course not, it’s an absurd concept. Frankly, review the bike’s you want to and need to. What matters is not the bike’s is it? It’s you that matters 🎉
Nope
Light weight ebike, yes good and bad of the bikes .I'm closer 67 and ride orbea rise ,I like prove you can get up hills with less power ..keep up the good work mate .
@@ceriway380 so awesome to hear
Definitely yes 👍🏽
Absolutely Guy yes. Your reviews are worth much more than others. People trust you
No. ✌🏻
Try a few and see how it goes ("Agile" empiricism and all that)
Yes please, warts and all!
Yes!
I don’t ride them but i am intrigued and it would be really useful to get more warts and all coverage to balance the evangelism of the current e-bike channels.
@@teknorob633 that’s how I feel about current (excuse the pun) coverage too
It's the growth market so many people are buying them that your insight would make sense to hear! 👍🏻
Yes definitely review more e bikes ! Your honest opinions are very helpful
Yes, review both.
No , stick to mainly normal bikes , you are an awesome rider and inspiring to watch
Aa you said their sales are flying out anyway and not enough said their faults !
Don't change a think mate 👍
No
Honestly, if these manufacturers can't make a centered bottom bracket, then yes. We are getting screwed up BB 68/73 on DUB Wide 55mm spacing that used to be a Superboost chainline, but is now on a Boost chainline, with a BB shell design that was intended for non-boost originally.
Like WHAT?
Why not a separate enduro event for e-bikes called E-sy Rock?
Then, 15 minutes after the start, let a bunch of motocross riders onto the course. Their bikes will probably be less expensive
Test both and keep your options coming 👍
Most e-bikers are mountain bikers grown older, certainly in my circle they are. Personally I think you should stick to analogue bike reviews as you spent the whole video slagging e-bikes off - you obviously have an issue with them. Come back and done-bike reviews when you’ve mentally taken the plunge and ride them.
Probably. Does anyone even buy motorless bikes these days? Are they still buying fax machines, typewriters and other obsolete items also 😂
Edit. Been a specialized ebiker for over 5 years now with no serious issues. Had way way more fun in that time compared to legacy pedal bikes.
Personally I have no interest in assisted bikes, all the time my aging body is able to get me up the hills, I'm good on my own power thanks. But as for your channel, I guess you gotta go with the flow a bit, and we will know you'll give a proper warts 'n' all review.
@@FredSmith-g6u warts and all is definitely what I’ll be doing
I love your coverage of UK designed steel hardtails. More of that will keep me subscribed. E bikes definitely wouldn't. Not for me thanks
"tread it any worse than a naan bread" 😂 my issue is, pretty much any ebike you buy will be landfill in less than 8 years due to repair/battery replacement costs and tech obsolescence, the damage to the environment is huge, plus you are using electricity to power the most efficient means of transport man ever created, I've heard of conspicuous consumption, but that's beyond the pale
I think that is true though I would be interested in how you replace or upgrade the motor. Also how you replace the wheel on hub based models. If there is demand and I suspect there will be that should be a growing market.
@@djselwonk3012 there is a place in the new forest that can service your motor, it's £360+, then if the battery is gone, £450-600, it's alot to maintain even before it does become obsolete
Personally I'd prefer you didn't. Your's is one of the few review channels that still focuses on mostly "proper" bikes. For me the ebike makes sense for blokes like the older guy with the heart attacks, totally makes sense. For people who are fit enough, they are simply excuse makers, and I've also noticed in the biking club format our midweek rides dwindled in numbers as there is no incentive to keep match fit for those on ebikes, a few weeks off the bike, just turn up the power. Whereas naturally aspirated riders are out week in week out in all weather to maintain and stay fit. Not for me.
No. I’m not interested in e-bikes. I’d be unlikely to watch e-bike content. In terms of events like Ard Rock, I don’t see why e-bike people need to be on the course at the same time as mountain bikers.
I like content about British brands like Cotic and Hope, steel hardtails and full suspension bikes, bikes that are a good value for the money like Calibre, alloy bikes, titanium bikes.