Why George Martin Will Never Finish ASOIAF
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- Опубліковано 1 тра 2017
- 'He' has been taking His time....
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I really want to read the books but I don't want to get into something that might never get finished.
It will. This spiel is the typical rhetoric of impatient ASOIAF fans. Read the books, it is of MUCH higher quality than the show AND includes MANY interesting characters, some of whom are VERY important that don't even exist on the show. The books are breathtakingly good, please try them out, one day.
- A passionate fan
read them anyway as they're worth it!
I doubt they'll ever finish. It'll take another 6 years at absolute minimum, most likely a lot more. And it's difficult to say GRRM will even last that long.
I have heard a rumor that he has left instructions about finishing the books and his writer friends are supposed to do it.
He has explicitly said that the books will never be finished by anyone but him.
Maybe that is the bittersweet ending he means? He plan to not finish ASOIAF and leave everyone in a cliffhanger LOL
Come to think of it I wouldn't put it past him. The man will be known after his death as the greatest troll ever!!
Fuckin hilarious.
He gave us 5 fantastic books... and yes it would be nice if he produced the last 2 chapters... However he owes us nothing per say! I hope rather than expect that he will. He has given a lot and is getting on... He might want to enjoy his life rather than just slave over writing an ending for us fans... maybe he might have writer block when it comes to this given story. All I can say I am grateful for the first 5... if ever more comes I will be delighted but I will not give out to him if he were not to finish the last 2 books...
@@deenick8794 fair point but I'm just upset that we're seemingly aren't gonna get a proper conclusion to series, granted I understand George probably see the TV adaptation passing his books but at the same time I can't but have sneaky suspicion that he wrote himself into a corning and that's probably while Winds of Winter keep on getting delayed though I'm glad for as shitty as the show's ending was at least it was some form of resolution to the story, now do I hold this over his head? no, I just think he should've planned things ahead better early on so that way things wouldn't end up the way they are now but that's just my take.
Pls no
He's old, overweight, became VERY rich in late life, he's travelling the world having fun. Good for him!
i think this all the time about him, judging by his writing, i sense thats exactly what he's doing
Meh, I'd do tons of hookers, but not young ones. Girls don't really know how to fuck until they're at least over 30. Sure, there's the instinctual attraction to a younger body, but a bit of exercise and plenty of practice make for a far better experience. Mid 30's Asian chicks = heaven.
Yeah,fine - but why would he want to die with his series unfinished? He needs to step outside his ego and allow someone to help him. Otherwise, Winds will probably come out - but the next books(it won't likely be finished in 7 won't. If he allowed help, he could do it. I think he does owe his fans his best effort - and if that means sacrificing his personal ownership of the novels - by allowing others to get involved - then he should do it.
The show does not count, the story is too different - I don't count that as giving us an ending.
farsenor operant, kind of a cuckold answer. Good for him? He started a book series he cannot or won't finish. The fact that he doesn't sit around and write those 6 pages a day anymore means that he'll never write the books again. Or else we'd have the book already. He's a failure of a writer who cannot finish what he set out to do.
Mortablunt, in my experience girls over 30 lose shape and become incredibly lazy fuckers. When you're not active with them on the bed, they're barely fucking you.
As an artist I have a lot of sympathy for George. The majority of a painting tends to happen really fast, but most of the work time is that last 15% of the painting that brings it to life. Artists often don't feel their work is ever complete or perfect and that can cause us to abandon it. Creating in the public eye has to make this process so much harder. I doubt however it ends will satisfy him or the readers, because it's too built up now.
well, on the bright side. you guys are immortal.
Google the Pareto principle
Ashley Scott Remember though, that in all great pieces of film and art, some questions remain unanswered at the end... that's the profound beauty of it. And if you look at George's other works, there are actually still questions that people ponder and interpret. So no doubt, we won't get all the answers by the end. But where's the fun in getting all the answers? The mystery is the art. The mystery keeps it alive.
Writing isn't really the same. In art you start by doing the main outline then add the finer detail on top. writing is completely different as the first words of a book are the most important and after that every part of the book is as imporant as the next bit. In other words compared with art its a much more balanced progression, to write well the first part of the book and the middle part require just as much attention/time as the end part.
Wanna see what it really looks like when a man decides to write?
www.fimfiction.net/user/176111/kudzuhaiku/stories
Five and a half million words in THREE YEARS.
he needs to gather his own small council to finish this thing.
he did. He has two go-to fans, Elio and Linda, who help him out with facts about the characters and places he invented earlier. They were also coauthors of the WOIAF.
Dragon Curve Enthusiast yea I know, but I was talking about other fantasy authors. He should gather the likes of Joe Abercrombie, Brandon Sanderson, Neil Gaiman, Steven Erickson, and summon the spirit of Robert Jordan to help him out. He needs more help then a glorified FANBOY and his lovely wife who's a Fan girl In her own right. No disrespect to Elio and Linda, I'm just jelous of their position.
when did he start asking for their help?? after which book?
He already has for years, lol.
londonacid1 he already has a select few people to finish the series in case he dies
2019 and still no Winds of Winter, i don't think he gives two sh*** about finishing the book series anymore.
GRRM is a prolific writer, who doesn't use an outline. He has said before that he loses interest in a story if he can predict the plot. While he has a good idea of the bittersweet ending, he also has said he looks forward to writing the remaining books to see where the story takes him.He has been known to write 100,000 words in a month when inspired, and keeps producing additional ASOIAF related stories every year.
Personally I suspect, that having seen and worked on the HBO series will affect how GRRM approaches the books. While he is a highly professional writer who has said "the books are the books, and the series is the series", he must be influenced by the series which may tangle with his original vision for the characters and plot arc. Similar to Itamar's point about not wanting to end the books, GRRM may potentially feel it's better to leave his masterpiece unfinished to keep the story alive for the fans and avoid the inevitable backlash from critics.
Let's all wish GRRM a long and healthy life, and look forward to reading Winds of Winter.
GRRM has said the show's portrayal Osha has convinced him to give her a bigger role in TWOW
This is an interesting thought. The thing is because it's an ongoing fictional world the story never really ends. Just the plotlines we are currently following. And those don't end unless the character dies they just reach some type of resolution. A resolution that could even be temporary. So he could leave some things loosely open-ended while still giving us a satisfying story. Than open the world up for other writers, other creators. Think of the star wars universe here or comics. We have the first three stars wars movies. But the story still continues because the world still exists. I don't know. I think he actually has an opportunity to approach the story and story world in a completely different way. To open it in a way a story has never been done before. To create something even more living and breathing than star wars. But he probably won't do that...
*+bob hill* Sorry, what do you mean, he said that prior to season 6, or was that even inspired by what happened in season 6? The latter could be damning, while the former is a huge compliment.
+daddyleon it was before season 6
Hmm....
thanks!
I came from the future (2019) and Winds of Winter isn't out yet plus next week is the ending of the TV show.
I'm from the further further future, and the show ending sucked
Exactly he will died and not finish
I come from the even further future. At this point we are expecting whitewalkers to be a real thing before the end of the year.
I am even further and we are getting close to the release date
I’m your son from the future future . It still isn’t out
Referring to the first three books:
"He just farted them out"
"The best fart EVER!"
Cut to me rolling on the floor
Guy Simchony, back them he had a work etiquette.
Lol people think it'll be all completed in 2 more books. ha. nope. Where the characters are now? there is no way they'd be able to wrap that up in 2 books.
3 years later and NOTHING. Not a fucking page.
You know as a joke back in 2016 I thought maybe the book would come out in 2020 . It’s 2021 rn so maybe 2023 ?
Maybe with a few unsatisfying endings to characters' story arcs, he might wrap up in 2 books.
guys! *Inhales a ton of copium*
its coming out this few years and its gonna be both winds of winter and the dream of springs!!!
lets trust george to finish this while doing talk shows and interviews..
*inhales more copium*
he can do it guys just trust hi-
*dies*
@kevin Mendoza according to his blog Arya is still in Braavos. 10 years. It’s not looking good mate
Well, a big issue with A Song of Ice and Fire series is that Martin wrote the first 3 books at the tail-end of his prime. No matter what anyone wants to admit, writers (and everyone else) has a prime. Some people are so fantastic, that after their prime they are still quite good at what they do but that doesn't mean they haven't dropped in quality.
Look at the dip in quality after book 3. Also, take into account how long it took taken him to write the first 3 books and then the next 2. It's obvious that what started out as a gritty, realistic dark fantasy has evolved into an epic Martin couldn't even have imagined himself. He's created a brilliant world but it's so complicated that it would tough for anyone to wrap their head around. Forgetting one little thing could destroy the entire story and create a massive plot-hole. It's much easier to write a book at the start then it is later on. Sadly, Martin isn't in his 40s or early 50s anymore.
That being said, I'm exciting to read his earlier works. By many accounts, he's written some brilliant stuff. I appreciate the man as a writer. I'm not going to speculate on someone's life. I'm not blind though. He really did bite off more than he could chew with the story he's trying to tell now. Tolkien did the same thing with his Middle Earth world. There were many more plans for that but he at least got his main epic (The Lord of the Rings) out before he got bogged down with everything else he wanted write about his world.
He has to finish them. If he doesn't...
What was it exactly what lord commander mormont said to sam would happen if he would miss to send the ravens?
,,(...) or I swear to you, that I will chase you through the seven hells and you will rue bitterly that you havn't done it."
(Or something like that. I freely translate it back from my german translation of book 3)
I don't think people realise how many subplots there are. I won't even begin to explain how many. My prediction is WOW 2017, DOS 2023. Oh how stupid the impatient fans will feel when he completes the series in less than a decade. I will end with a quote from the man himself:
"Ten years from now, no one is going to care how quickly the books came out. The only thing that will matter, the only thing anyone will remember, is how good they were. That's my main concern, and always will be." - George R.R. Martin
Yah YahYah Yah Yah you might want to push that prediction back a few years. You're basing a 2017 release on him estimating the book out this year. His estimates are crap. This is the same guy who released AFFC in 2005 and said ADWD would be released the following year. It wasn't released until 2011.
I'm basing a 2017 release on him saying he was close in January 2016. Yeah *16* . I am fully aware of his previous releases. I'm just saying you will be presently surprised and when these books are finished and the incredible ending blows you away, you won't give a shit how long it took because you have it.
Yah YahYah Yah Yah once again because of his writing process his own estimates are meaningless. He obviously was not as close in 2016, as you think he was because the lack of new information persists.
And please have some realism in your predictions. TWOW is in all likelihood going to be the last book published in this series, if it ever releases. He is NOT going to finish and the only ending will be on HBO. I'm sorry if that's pessimistic but it's becoming increasingly likely
Are you always this dramatic, Jacob? Lets look at previous releases. Based on AFFC - ADWD it should take 5 - 7 years from ADWD (2011) until TWOW which means no longer than 2018 (I stick with my prediction of this year.) Then ADOS which, though I predict 2023, may take until 2025. Even allowing for 2 EXTRA years for 2027, that is still only a decade.
Granted, we all want the ending but it's hardly difficult, waiting 10 years, more likely 8 for the books. This all stems from people not being able to have patience. There are literally thousands of VERY high quality Fantasy/Sci Fi novels and series out there. Maybe not as good but some come close. George himself has a LARGE catalogue for you to check out, some of those may give us tips on mysteries in ASOIAF such as Storms End and The Wall being beyond Westerosi architecture. 'Dying Of The Light' hints at worlds being destroyed by futuristic nuclear tech species and going back to a primitive level of technology whilst nuclear/air etc causes human mutations and magical beings to exist etc. Let me know if you want the actual quote, it's really cool when you think it may have happened in ASOIAF. Anyway...
Time will fly faster than ever when you focus on other things in life. 10 years, more likely 7 or 8, is not a long time to wait for the last novel. Why would someone invest the second part of their life to a series and not finish "because he doesn't want to". If you said that to him in real life or on his blog he would vehemently disagree.
He has major characters separated by thousands of miles who have to be in two places at the same time, he has introduced completely unnecessary subplots and has a bad habit of world building which doesn't move the plot forward. There is way too much story to resolve and wrap up the series in 7 books. We have barely started the second book of his originally planned trilogy, let that sink in
better call pod !? LMAO
I would watch it!
Coolbule 123 hopefully it won't be as slow moving as Better Call Saul
Brad Crouch Too true. I love BCS but it's been 3 seasons and pretty much nothing happened
hahahaha
That's the point of BCS. They've been brave enough to write a really smart and slow paced TV show that is uniquely brilliant, after the action packed Breaking Bad.
It's the best thing on television.
He with a capital H seems like the Stanley Kubrick kind of person. Somebody who HAS to create and in full detail which consumes a lot of energy and time. On the other side this feeling cannot be switched off and therefore he could feel haunted by it. Kubrick often worked for decades on one single movie and sometimes didn't even film it for the most trivial of reasons, but when he did it always paid out and there's a reason he is considered on of the most innovating directors of all time. Same goes for George in my oppinion.
What if he is finished but he just enjoys torturing GoT fans?
Could be. I'd do that. Savour the moment. If he does die too soon he can have them released posthumously.
I mean, this guy created Ramsey Bolton.
"from fiction's most notorious serial killer..." < "honest trailer's" announcer guy. yes, GRRM does seem to like hurting us...
@@dvi2948 XD
Releases it when he dies
That guy on the right looks like an older Syrio Forell from Season One. Huh, maybe he did survive Meryn Trant's attempt on his life.
The Winds of Winter may wind up being the book equivalent of Half Life 2: Episode 3
MadNES The is the scenario no one wants to hear but is most likely to be true
What is that?
Where's the funky intro guys???
I know, i feel cheated!
Fraser W they only do it for the Q and A videos
Fraser W this to serious, no intro..
Two years later....
He doesn't have writer's block, he's just a procrastinator. Trust me, I know one when I see one (being one myself).
"What was was will never be again" is a pretty fitting statement for the Asoiaf book series tbh 😂
The problem is that ASoIaF has way too many sub-plots to wrap up. It is a tangled mess, and he is trying to figure out how it all resolves and comes together without huge parts of the story being pointlessly forgotten. He should have begun simplifying the plot around the fourth book, but he didn't. He may make the mistake of not simplify in the next book, and so it will never end, or it will never be finished, or he will just wrap it up in an unsatisfying way to get it over with.
But that is me being pessimistic! On good days I think we'll have the next book this year, and the following one in 3 to 5 years.
I'm here from 2022 to tell you that Winds hasn't been completed yet. Give up.
7:50 "Winds of Winter will come out soon. It's almost done, if not done. We're not worried about that one."
Oh, my sweet summer child from 5 years ago. Little did you know.
so glad you guys called Lost for what it was: a con job, made entirely of red herrings.
also, there will be more than 7 books
Yeah I loved the first 3 or 4 seasons and then it just kept making less and less sense w/the time travel and moving island and island monster and God and the Devil himself or some shit! The ending annoyed me.
Heather Riede im such a POS ivemade people watch the entire series, just so they could share my pain, and anger.
ProjectAwesome1 come man let lost go its done
ProjectAwesome1 show was awful. I actually called out the ending while watching the pilot.
You Lost me.
I think that he's already finished Winds of Winter and is currently working on A Dream of Spring. I think he wants to wait until the show is over to release Winds of Winter so the hype for the show can die down while the hype for the book increases. Just my guess though.
There's already a tentative release date for WoW set?!
Jake Lafrance I'm with you! He's done already
I like your optimism. There is currently nothing that indicates that he is done with TWOW.
Jake Lafrance My theory has been that he's been waiting for this next season to come out. He noticed how D&D tried to make their own "better" version of his works and now he's just delaying the next book so that they don't have material to work with. This in turn will force the books and show to go in separate directions for a good many plot lines and they'll always be seen as separate works. The books a more true in depth reading and the shows an inaccurate portrayal of the books, but still a good show. I guess we'll see though.
He's already denied this, and also, there's no advantage to this, in fact only disadvantage.
He's too thicc
🍑🍑🍑🍑🍑🍑
Once TWoW is done, everything will be in place to smooth the way to finish up the last book swiftly.
I either like your optimism or I appreciate your snark.
Funny. I heard people say the same exact thing about once ADWD is done. "No its the Meereenese knot. That's the problem. Once he finishes that, the final two books will only take a couple years each."
One would hope so. This being the penultimate book, I'd imagine that it took him so long because he spent a lot of time figuring out how to put everything into place for the final stretch.
I assure you that it will be the hardest book for him to write. The trend has been going that way for some time now and i don't see that changing. Unless he finally realizes he needs an 8th book to round out the series, its gonna be the hardest. There are just too many plot lines to sow up, too many character threads to end. He has only killed off 3 POV's out of i believe 20 so far and one is on his way back.
Kathryn Yoder From your lips to the Old Gods ears. And the new gods for that matter.
I think everyone needs to go back and watch the old seasons from the beginning. The quality has not dropped, its the same as its always been. Im on season 2 again. Remember when Ayra has 3 deaths and she chooses nobodies instead of Tywin or the Mountain. Remember when a shadow baby came out of Mel. Imagine if that was not in the books, how silly and an example of bad writing those moments would be recieved. The show quality hasnt changed much. GRRM was never the greatest writer alive as many of his fans believe.
It's not that the current first 3 books were supposed to be the complete story. It's that he originally had the idea of putting everything he's written up to this point and more into 3 massive books. With the first being called A Game of Thrones which would have most if not all the content of the first 3 Song of Ice and Fire novels, which are GoT, CoK, and SoS. The second would be A Dance with Dragons which would have what we now know as books 4 and 5 in this massive novel. And for the final 3rd one it'd be named A Time of Wolves which would've featured the events of books 6 and 7. Obviously, his editor and publisher said those are much too large so spread them out, and so he did. So that's the story of why he had an idea to make it a trilogy in his original outline for the series.
I personally think that he has dream and winds done.. but is not satisfied on the ending. I've read somewhere that he was almost done with winds but deleted most and reworked on it because he didn't like it... he's an perfectionist, but I think he has both drafts done already
It wouldn't surprise me. GRRM has said that a large part of his editing process is deletion. On a side note, I once read a story about how Proust (another author famous for a gargantuan, many-charactered work) replaced something like 100 pages with three sentences because he realized he'd made an error. I can see GRRM getting into similar problems.
Harry Stoddard I think Tolkien did the same thing. He scrapped entire drafts of the first LOTR and rewrote them.
+Ashley W Thank you, I'd recently heard that (I think in one of GoT Academy's other videos) but Tolkien's name wasn't coming to mind.
Harry Stoddard interesting, I didn't know that Tolkien ran into that same problem.
Do you think maybe he trolls the fan sites? Or even has people put out theories just to see what the reactions will be? And if people really don't like something scraps it?
Also, I think he wanted to finish the She-wolves of Winterfell (The working title of the next Dunk and Egg) before TWoW or have it come out around the same time. I bet there are Easter Eggs...lol..in there for either TWoW or ADoS.
I don't think he will either
I enjoyed the commentary on this commentary being more of an "inner journey" - I liked it!
On a serious note, why is it rude to point out that he is severely overweight and aging, that's just a straight up fact, and it could mean he dies before the series is finished.
I wasn't a massive fan of him being so dismissive to his fans who bought those points up, it might not be nice for him to hear the truth but it doesn't change reality and people are concerned for his health as well as the series, people aren't just vultures they do care about him as well as his work.
yourenotinthecircle i can imagine that a bunch of "randoms" constantly worrying about ur approaching death because of your work could be somewhat annoying. And that it might come off as people being more concerned about the series rather then his life which I think is a fair assumption. Especially since I am sure he has had these thoughts himself.
I think he mostly dislikes it because people only care about his well-being so he can finish his work, and not so he can enjoy himself. Same reason he dislikes people hating on him for watching sports and blogging about it.
Most people don't really care for his health, they just want the books to be finished and released. Imagine an alternate reality, where he releases all the books and then passes away not too long after the last book is released. A lot of people will say "well at least he completed the series before he died". Something people forget is that famous people are always asked the same questions by different people. Hearing "hey, you're old, you're fat, you might die, when are the books going to be released?" by hundreds of different people will probably drive anyone nuts, no matter how honest about themselves they truly are.
Because people rarely make the point respectfully.
Just because something is true that doesn't mean it's polite. When I see a stranger who's old and fat I don't go up and tell them so - and that's what most fans are to GRRM: strangers. As much as he may appreciate his fans, they're not on the level of close friends and family.
If his wife tells him he needs to order the carrots instead of the fries, that's a different story.
I mean I don't know. Maybe it's a cultural thing, but I'd find it uncomfortable to have that conversation with my own family... it just seems really weird to me to say that kind of thing (publically) about someone you don't even know.
Obviously I can talk about stuff like that with friends, but in public forums? Ehh... feels like bad manners for no good reason to me. It's not like you or me saying he's fat and old in an internet comment section is gonna make him eat healthy and exercise.
As an another author i know why: hes victim of his success. He knows his nex ASOIAF book will be his last and hes afraid of tarnishing his legacy.
Daily reminder: it’s now been 10 years and he hasn’t finished! Guy in the Plato shirt nailed it!
My biggest fear for these last two (or possibly three) books is that George R. R. Martin will begin to remind us of George Lucas. I say this with two things in mind: 1.) The "make-it-up-as-you-go" style (particularly with Return of the Jedi); and, 2.) The prequels.
Anyone who has read the original scripts of "The Star Wars" knows that George Lucas took a very complex sci-fi/fantasy story and turned it into a space opera that hearkened back to the old B movie sci-fi serials (like Flash Gordon). Still, I can give him the benefit of the doubt with the first two films. I cannot reason that Lucas EVER intended for Luke and Leia to be siblings or that Ewoks would defeat Imperial forces on Endor.
Moreover, the stinging criticism from fans for the prequel trilogy -- the same fans who once sang his praises -- obviously affected Lucas tremendously. The fact that Lucas responded by changing certain aspects of the prequel sequels (e.g., removal of Jar Jar as a central character, etc.) shows us that Lucas was making up important aspects of the film as he was going instead of following his "outline" as he often claimed.
George R. R. Martin has stated emphatically that he as a fairly straightforward outline that he doesn't deviate from. I just wonder whether or not he truly follows that outline. This is particularly due to the fact that the original outlined story included a conclusion -- one that was not reached by the end of the third book.
The last two books will be called “A Chump of a Network” and “A Stupidity of Fans.”
I think tragically for us and himself he will not finish..... he will pass before he has the chance. Stress. Age. Health. Travel. Pressures..
Somehow I don't think George would approve of this video
His father passed at 80 in 2005.
1:20 Pretty much what I have thought - the story has gotten too big for him. I think he started with a simpler story with the fantasy trope of an ancient evil returning to the land which he wanted to make different from other fantasy novels of this sort but he got carried away with the present day intrigues and the histories of his other characters and their lands and houses many of which with the exception of the Starks had little or nothing to do with the ancient evil.
It almost seems he wants to get away from his original story in that regard and focus more on the human drama that has unfolded. The Others/White Walkers along with the Wall and the Night Watch almost seem like intrusions from another story especially the White Walkers as they only appeared once and long before the Andals, the dragons, the Iron Throne. Dragons on the other hand have had a much bigger impact on this world first in Essos in helping create a mighty empire then in Westeros in creating the Iron Throne kingdom. Their return in the world naturally has a bigger impact given their long influence on the history of this world.
I wonder if Martin could time travel, if he would go back to his younger self and tell himself to scrap the Others/White Walkers and tell himself to focus on the dragons and the resolving of the Game of Thrones while making the Doom of Vallyria be the ancient evil threat in the background.
Haha I feel for him.. Every time someone asks me "why have you not finished your thesis" I want to punch them in the face and/or cry. Also way over the word count.. Must be a Martin thing 😂
Why have you not finished your thesis?
Work on your thesis instead of watching YT videos.
This video did age well
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I got a question. If GRRM publicly came out after released Winds of Winter and says "It's too much. The last book would probably take me 10 years. I'm completely spent, my creative energy is spent. I need to recharge or have somebody like Brandon Sanderson write the last book per my instructions" Would you be cool with that if it meant a better quality of life and health for him?
I don't think anyone would be against it getting finished by another writer, but he's emphatically against that, even if he dies. So of course people are pushing him to get it done before that happens. If everyone knew that it would get finished one way or the other, there would be less pressure on him, he's brought it on himself with that stance.
I'd like to see him finish to the absolute point he creatively can't go any further, but not necessarily finishing the story, as another commenter said, the world of ASOIAF could be never ending essential, not dissimilar to star wars. Grrm has his own plot points ect and the story surrounding westeros and essos, but there are may other continents that could be picked up by other writers, either entwining with the current storyline or evolving into their own, i joked once about tamriel (skyrim), middle earth and ASOIAF possibly being within the same realm of existence, without knowing the other is truly there. lol
Hope you liked the end of the show, because that's basically how the book will end too.
It is April 27th 2021. Covid 19 happened. People died. The world was quarantined. GRRM was busy doing a lot of things, but none included finishing ASOIAF 😠
1 thing I think is a big problem is that the series was supposed to be 5 books. The success of the show suddenly made him say 6 books and now he says 7 books. I agree a series he will never finish.
As far as Lost is concerned, everything happened. They really crashed on the island, some of them really escaped only to go back three years later, some of them really traveled through time, some of them really died on the Island, one of them really died in a hotel room, a few of them really escaped in the end and lived out their lives and eventually died as all people do. The only thing that wasn't "real" or that only happened in a metaphysical sense was the "side flash" reality in the final season, which was a place for them to reunite after their lives were over so they could all move "on" together.
This was explicitly stated by Christian in the show's final moments. I don't understand the confusion.
Michael Booth Jacob bless you
6:15 He released the first three books in four years, yes, but he started writing five years prior to the release of AGOT. That makes nine years in total.
I want two ringtones
Itamar saying More money more problems and Gil saying King of the North hehehe
THIS IS POINTLESS...WHAT WAS WAS WILL NEVER BE AGAIN DUHHHHHH
"Winds of Winter will come out soon" LOL.
I honestly don't think the series NEEDS an ending. That kind of isn't the point.
i think the books will end with winds of winter. a dream of spring is intended to be just that, he never planned on actually writing it.
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Thanks you both so much for calling it out! I have held this belief for a long time, that he created such a complicated plot, with so many loose ends that he can't tie them all!!!
My reasoning for it was the need to split book 4 in two, just to accommodate all the plots taking place simultaneously.
When he finally publishes WoW we'll see how well he manages to wrap up story lines.
There might be the need for two volumes, though...
WHERE'S THE BOOK, LEBOWSKI?
Imagine you’ve been writing a story for 20+ years, live to see it become a massive success as a tv show, then have fans basically attacking you for not finishing it yet by saying you’re too old, too fat and unhealthy and judge your supposed use of your time. I would not like to be in George’s shoes. There’s enough pressure he feels due to his fame and the popularity of the show, he doesn’t need people telling him to hurry up and write the books before he dies because they want to know the ending. Thoroughly unenviable situation he’s in. He’s neither too old nor unhealthy. Fans of the Hobbit waited 12 years for its sequel and it was well worth it. Show some gratitude 🙏🏻
Do you have eyes?
I think Itamar is on to something when he say's that GRRM might not want to finish the books because he does not want to leave this story that he has created. He has the potential as an author to stay in the world of ASOIAF with his Dunk and Egg stories, or his idea for the Dance of the Dragons, but he doesn't want to say goodbye to characters like Daenerys or Jon or Arya or Tyrion or Bran! I can't blame him; as much as I want some conclusion, I don't really want to say goodbye either.
That being said, I had read recently that Winds is actually in a proofreading state, and soon ready for publishing. I think it will come out probably late fall or early winter! Dream may always remain a dream!
>Hired to adapt books to television series
>Writer agrees to finish books before series catches up
>Everyone excited. Writer has been scraping by financially his whole life and this could be his big break
>Start producing show
>It's pretty good
>Winning awards left and right
>Things are going well, have a good simpatico going with the writer
>Show explodes in popularity
>Writer becomes extremely wealthy
>Show is catching up to books
>Writer promises he'll finish them soon
>Season ends
>Check on writer
>He's blowing coke off a hooker's ass
>Book not even started
>Fuck
>We have to start writing it ourselves
>We didn't sign up for this
>No idea where to go
>Hire some action film writers
>Accelerate the plot
>Get rid of dialogue
>No more character development
>Whatever, lets wrap this up and make a prequel
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If I was grrm right now I'd have a rick Ross sized iced out turtle pendant with a blunt in my mouth hanging out the back end of some 21 year old promising her "I'll tell you how it ends if you take it in the face"
With Dave chapelle's "I'm rich bitch" on constant loop in the background
😂😂
plot twist: he releases both winds of winter and dreams of spring at the same time.
I think that the biggest problems are with the fans and how GRRM writes. He is writing about Westeros currently, probably prolifically. You mentioned The World of Ice and Fire. He is also working on future Dunk and Egg novels as well as the history of the Targaryens. Here is where I think most fans go awry. They expect him to finish the main series, then go into the deeper history. The problem there is that GRRM likes to have events in the current book reflect or mirror those of the past. So in order to know how things will go for the current events, he has to write out how things happened in the past, and as he develops more about the past it can potentially affect how his current story will develop. I believe that he has the ending, and most of the events along the way already sketched out, but he will continue to tweak things in the current books as he comes up with new ideas while writing other Planetos stories. He is writing on several different fronts, each dependent on the other. He can't write the specifics of how the current conflict with the Others will end until he has written out how the previous long night ended. He can't tell us more about what will happen to Brienne of Tarth until he has written more about her (assumed) ancestor Duncan the Tall. He has to know more where the story started before he can write how it ends. I believe that if he is able to finish the main series it will be one of the last things he publishes, and that until that point he will continue to give us more and more of the backstory and history of this immense world he has created. Each new work will add to the overall scope and grandeur of the tales, giving theory crafters, pod casters and UA-camrs plenty of fodder for comment and speculation until the very end, which will be the end, because he will not be around anymore to write. This will also be his way of controlling his work, by not finishing until his death (or retirement), he keeps the doors closed to outside parties.
you guys were right, he's never gonna finish
Actually GRRM has said that He sees the first three books as one. So the first three books are the original first book of the original trilogy. THEN we would have the infamously five year gap that would reach to the second book (A Dance With Dragons). He really lost himself in his own story
That random meow really fucked with my cat
Nicole Lee SAME HERE! lmao
3 years later, in July 2020, no Winds of Winter. That cat was funny 😄🤣😂
Martin doesn't want to finish and I suspect he isn't even writing. He makes millions by just being George RR Martin and writing means sitting by yourself in a room with nothing but that blank screen in front of you, which is not fun. Traveling the world and soaking up the adoration of fans IS fun. Martin will never, ever finish the series.
Back in the day I saw comment saying dream of spring, was just that a dream and it becomes more and more true every year
"ins and outs... strikes and gutters," did you just quote the Big Lebowski??? hahaha
Grrm is 71 right now. And winds of winter is still not out.
7:45 so basically he wants it to be like Schödinger's cat:
As long as it's not finished it can be either great or awful at the same time!
Yes... Except a book series with no ending IS definitely awful. A 'unfinished status' would devaluate everything from book one until now. Everything that happened becomes meaningless to a certain degree.
If it's not finished it will be a bad story cause what is the point of writting something no matter how epic it is if you never give it a conclusion it's like bying a book and find out later that the last pages are missing you will hate it
wow just saw that they were opposites in their hair greying: one guy has a grey beard and dark hair and the other guy has dark hair and a grey beard (never thought that was possible).
It's an honor to be in the mortal realm with you fellas.
For now
Man is creating his life's work.. he is perfectionist, which all other books prove, he will finish when they are ready to be finished. Though I gotta say, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he finishes both(all) books and present them to us as one. Before season 7 is out. I think he hate the fact tv show goes in front of the books, and I think he will finish it just to spite them xD(and makes us readers happy, ofc).
On June 23, 2020, Martin said, "It’s going to be a huge book, and I still have a long way to go." It's 2021 and no publication date in sight.
I can get the idea of loving his creation so much he doesn't want it to end. But truthfully, it wouldn't have to end once ADOS is finished. He has mentioned more Dunk and Egg stories and a Targaryan history. He could explain the mystery of Ashai, or the 5 Forts. Or give us a story set in Valayria. The history he has hinted at is huge so he wouldn't need to leave it.
I do think that it may be a case of not feeling it is finished. When I paint, I will keep working and working on it, thinking it just needs this or this to be finished. If I'm not careful and willing to walk away, I can mess it up so badly that it could be easier to just start over.
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I really hope he finishes it of course, but I've also heard that he gave the ending plot points to a few very close and trusted friends/authors who can finish the book if he does end up dying before he finishes it, so I think we will get the ending no matter what, but I really want it to come all from him as others will never be able to write in the same in depth style w/such careful planning of what words to use where, etc.
Once he realized he wouldn't beat HBO to the ending, perhaps he decided to hold back, let HBO finish their version, then release his final vision of the book version. Hell he might have most of both books done by now and is just holding back to keep the realtime comparisons to the show from happening.
Hello there, my friend. Cat got your tongue?
Martin himself said in an interview, that it took him 4 years to write "a game of thrones". So he was always a slow writer. In addition, he has many projects going on now, he wrote dunc and egg, WOIAF, fire and blood which is almost finished as well. So he definitely isn't slowing down, he has maintained his pace.
"This is an inner journey this video."
"Be nice to me or Tyrion DIES!"
GRRM - 2012
And there is also something else I think you forgot to comment: he has been building the story. Story-building is definitely easier than solving the problems (plots) you built. So it's a harder book...
2 years later and nothing lmao it's over guyss
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George actually said that if he unfortunately dies before the books are finished he'll have a backup of writers that he knows that he told the story to. Those writers also worked on the World of Ice and Fire book with George.
Completely agree with the guy on the right. G.R.R. Will never finish Dreams of Spring. And Dreams of Spring for sure will not end the story. He got lost in his world. He loves it too much to ever want to leave it. 100% truth.
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He keeps adding things and characters and storylines with each new book. So as one story ends two more threads begin.
And now he will kill another Stark...
Where can I view the graph shown in the video?
As we’ve seen with the show, the ending is just as important as the beginning. Not only is George pressured to finish, but he’s pressured to finish WELL. Also keep in mind that the show has spoiled most of the big reveals, so that’s a factor too.
Maybe GRRM is having a hard time finishing because he knows the ending. He's said several times that once he knows where the story goes, he loses interest
So for the first couple of books, he quickly wrote and published them - as he built the story bigger and bigger. With the latter half of the series, he has to come to a conclusion and that's when it gets boring
Would be his own fault; I mean he seriously backed himself into a corner with the whole White Walker thing. How could the story ever have moved off the final confrontation with them? If there were no Walkers and the story was solely about the fight for the Iron Throne, it could've gone in any number of directions. Frankly, it was a horrible story idea if he really did just want to wing it through the whole series.
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I'd have Elio and Linda, paired up with Preston Jacobs to finish the story.
They all know the canon incredibly well, and they'd come up with a fantastic ending I reckon.
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We're you referencing the GRRM short story "The Monkey Treatment" at 4:35. If so, I like how you slipped it in.
I personally wouldn't mind if the books aren't finished so long as...
1: We get Winds of Winter (he kept us waiting for too long).
2: We get the ending (we'll at least get that with the show).
3: He tells us the secrets of the story (how can we sleep at night without knowing what the walkers want? Or Littlefinger's grand plan? Or who is the prince that was promised? Or Varys' endgame?).