In very very short (but still do watch the video): Courier absolutely powercreeps reds, behemoths and especially RED BEHEMOTHS which caused behemoths to have stupid hp and make courier necessary for behemoth stages while seafarer is just a fantastic support which doesnt completely make jokes of aliens.
A short way of explaining why people hate any unit in the entirety of battle cats is because ponos does. When ponos hates a unit, they overcompensate. They buff enemies, effectively nerfing other units, trivialising other, more fun options. This is shown in Uril, dasli and courier, too. Despite how broken some units such as can can, phonoa and slime are, they arent hated because they dont change the meta for the worse.
@imfumrsaqjed He hasn't yet. No enemies have been introduced to counter him and he hasn't outclassed anyone due to his unique role. Wait until enemies get wave blocker, then that'll be true.
i dont have seafarer yet but i REALLY WANT HIM since im now doing cats of the diddys, before i do that though im grinding itf chapter 3 treasures rn before i try cats of the diddys for you know
@@Rbpermwastaken I was thinking about music but I was too late into editing and didn't want to do that (also fonts depends on what my editor has) but thanks tho!
apart from screwing behemots up, I think it boils down to the fact that seafarer is a required or very important unit to win sometimes, but doesn't guarantee you're gonna obliterate just about anything
Seafarer literally carried me through ITF. A few days ago, I defeated the second chapter and yesterday ended Raging Bahamut’s career. I struggled on Valkyrie mostly because I was lazy not getting treasures. But seafarer helped me destroy Valkyrie, along with catilite, Gravolo, Votla, Togelan, and Hallowindy (a big carry in ITF chapter 3).
I think everyone plays in different styles and wants. Personally i love currier and in general op cats. I dont play this game for a super hard challenge where i need good timing, luck and multiple trys for every stage. I understand where the people who do like a more strategically based game, you can just not use it. However i get the argument that it then scales behemoth enemies. But Ill be over here with my currier and phono on stages i just want to get through with less frustration while having fun destroying the stage.
I don't specifically hate Courier but I hate Behemoth stages because PONOS didn't make Courier hard enough to get, though I'm pretty sure I agree with your point about Courier destroying Red enemies, but I never played BC before Courier. Also Seafarer is mediocre at best as a generalist, completely outclassed by Housewife. Btw, something I don't see many people talk about is that, design-wise, Behemoth enemies must either counter Courier or have absurd stats, but the most frustrating thing is that PONOS DOES BOTH, best seen with Deonil, Ibilujon and Magmojoe.
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as someone whos genuinly had volta (freezing plixie uber) be one of the first ubers i get on every account ive had, ive always felt neutral towards seafarer
I am not sure, but for me Courier only made Stupid Red Duck a complete joke. Without him Duck is an actual threat for sure. However, to get Courier you have to defeat the Duck at least once without him, as Duck spawns on the fourth level of Hidden Forest and on the second level of Ashvini Desert. For me this fact seems to be a great design: Duck kinda protects its doom. After you defeat it once, it becomes a complete joke. However, other Behemoths and Reds don't take x10 damage, only x2.5 and x4 respectively, which is kinda fair probably. Other Red Behemoth (Horse) outranges Courier. Against Black Duck, Megacrab, Aku Slooth and Aku Master A Courier is just decent damager for me, maybe a little bit better that Cyborg (Cyborg is easier to buff due to Gacha and Talents though). Reds also have their counters against Courier such as Professor A. To be fair, Courier powercreeped only the enemies you could already easily beat: there is no way you defeated Red Duck before Red Cyclone because Red Cyclone is complete joke with Shaman and other anti-flyers, and Red Bun Bun is easily dealt with using Camera spawn just like normal Bun Bun. Courier makes the things easier, of course, but I remember playing EoC1 as a child, when Sir Seal used to be a threat to me, but he was powercreeped even without Courier anyway.
yeah issue, you must fight red duck at least 5 times give or take, because of behemoth stones... unless you go through the bad drop rate of a single time stage in the early levels. The only saving grace is actually to fight the FOLIVOREON (aku behe sloth) because it is legitimitely easier to do deep forest 6 and the "strongest behemoth" stage because it didn't have red chicken. It's probably because of behe dogs being the actual pushers but that's the difference, red chicken's fast attack speed just covers the dogs to push and red chicken can then hit the snipers. and making red duck easier doesn't excuse the other behemoths getting harder too because of courier... red horse counters courier and has base 1,6mil hp... while having higher range than chicken, along with mini wave.
dude I swear if you exist in the battle cats community, you either love courier because he’s “busted” and “can delete sol” (WHICH IS WILD) or hate courier because of those same reasons saying courier deletes sol is just wrong. canned juice is so stupid.
@@JeffHostman but i gotta agree that courier is a bit broken because he was made as a counter to red duck and help you get catarzan to beat the alien crab and it goes on like that ... but hes damage way to much as he does 80 k damage on hit to duck and the red horse i think
Courier absolutely doesnt even come close to making thundia useless, i have to use her on a lot of red enemy stages due to, guess what Courier not being good enough alone, mine is level 40 do you think he just solo'd unjust war for me? Do you think he will solo harder red stages? Even the red cyclone floor of heavenly tower cant be solo courier carried
so? I said courier cheeses Most red stages, and that he Essentially invalidates them. Courier isn't good all around, but he still makes most red enemies a joke. Plus, courier isn't good on his own either. Few units do good alone
Did you just compare a shitty gacha midranger who barely helps crowd controlling his target trait with a no gacha spammable LD rusher that absolutely wrecks reds and is the main weapon against behemoths
If you hate courier ur kinda dumb, always been broken units and its really nice to have him especially for grinding, basically just a newer cancan except a bit faster thats all he is
In very very short (but still do watch the video):
Courier absolutely powercreeps reds, behemoths and especially RED BEHEMOTHS which caused behemoths to have stupid hp and make courier necessary for behemoth stages while seafarer is just a fantastic support which doesnt completely make jokes of aliens.
@@Th3nox13 W summarization
Lol
@@JeffHostman thanks a bunch and keep up the great work
@@Th3nox13 thanks :D
he kinda doeesss thooo unless the alien has freeze immune or strong barrier it’s so free
Seafarer keeps freezing my fellow aliens 😔
@@Shibalien-w9s oh mb you chill though, all the shibaliens are chill
Hi
I defend the cats
@@EraserDemolitionNuh uh
good stay frozen
My talented Seafarrer still not freezing aliens: 😎
@@lambsaucefinder7407 most real thing I've heard all day bouta be honest
@JeffHostman
"40% chance to freeze"
"Got rekt in behemoth alien crab"
@@lambsaucefinder7407 is it 60% with max talents?
@@JeffHostman whoops my bad. It's actually 40% (pre-true form is 30)
A short way of explaining why people hate any unit in the entirety of battle cats is because ponos does. When ponos hates a unit, they overcompensate. They buff enemies, effectively nerfing other units, trivialising other, more fun options. This is shown in Uril, dasli and courier, too. Despite how broken some units such as can can, phonoa and slime are, they arent hated because they dont change the meta for the worse.
@@kaepora66 good point actually
imo slime does restrict the meta people just dont hate it because its cute and does the funny wave
@imfumrsaqjed He hasn't yet. No enemies have been introduced to counter him and he hasn't outclassed anyone due to his unique role. Wait until enemies get wave blocker, then that'll be true.
Thanks for the analysis
Corier is so broken it breaks queen bee and Clionel (with ramen spam, maglev and Ubers for gory waves)
@@FieryBreadblax I didn't even know he cheesed clionel 💀
i dont have seafarer yet but i REALLY WANT HIM since im now doing cats of the diddys, before i do that though im grinding itf chapter 3 treasures rn before i try cats of the diddys for you know
@@thesurninfamily3020 well let's hope you get him cause hes amazing
cats of the diddys 🔥 ✍️
cats of the diddys chapter 1 will be named "pedophile party", chapter 2 will be named "a minors revenge" and chapter 3 will be named "the large snake"
into the party
CH1:Time enough for diddling
CH2: Allegations intrigue a minors revenge
CH3:The minors arise: ¡Cancel Diddy!
Please create more of these essay-type videos!
@@ShadowXnightmareSDXN I will, I already have one in mind for later
All you need is some subtle background music and (possibly) better fonts and i can see this video getting so much more views
@@Rbpermwastaken I was thinking about music but I was too late into editing and didn't want to do that (also fonts depends on what my editor has) but thanks tho!
@@JeffHostmanYeah, feels empty without the music, try something chill, or maybe something Goofy like the gamatoto theme
@@hydragirum8410 doing it rn, already got the music ready, I'm just gonna put it on last to I can adjust it's volume
Underrated channel hope you keep up with the quality!!!!
@@SangNguyen-nc4kl thanks :D
what abt my channel???🥺🥺
apart from screwing behemots up, I think it boils down to the fact that seafarer is a required or very important unit to win sometimes, but doesn't guarantee you're gonna obliterate just about anything
Seafarer literally carried me through ITF. A few days ago, I defeated the second chapter and yesterday ended Raging Bahamut’s career. I struggled on Valkyrie mostly because I was lazy not getting treasures. But seafarer helped me destroy Valkyrie, along with catilite, Gravolo, Votla, Togelan, and Hallowindy (a big carry in ITF chapter 3).
@@foolishmortal5151 Getting gravi is so lucky cause he's useful after SoL
@@JeffHostman Especially target relic talent prob
@@foolishmortal5151 yeah that's basically why
i wish i was loved like seafarer cat
Seafarer cat is better than all of us in every way
I think everyone plays in different styles and wants. Personally i love currier and in general op cats. I dont play this game for a super hard challenge where i need good timing, luck and multiple trys for every stage. I understand where the people who do like a more strategically based game, you can just not use it. However i get the argument that it then scales behemoth enemies. But Ill be over here with my currier and phono on stages i just want to get through with less frustration while having fun destroying the stage.
@@WetNapkin24 understandable
I don't specifically hate Courier but I hate Behemoth stages because PONOS didn't make Courier hard enough to get, though I'm pretty sure I agree with your point about Courier destroying Red enemies, but I never played BC before Courier. Also Seafarer is mediocre at best as a generalist, completely outclassed by Housewife. Btw, something I don't see many people talk about is that, design-wise, Behemoth enemies must either counter Courier or have absurd stats, but the most frustrating thing is that PONOS DOES BOTH, best seen with Deonil, Ibilujon and Magmojoe.
nice explanation vid, that answers my question :)
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I’m your 40th subscriber this is such a good video
@@BroIIow no way brollow is here 💀
;)
as someone whos genuinly had volta (freezing plixie uber) be one of the first ubers i get on every account ive had, ive always felt neutral towards seafarer
@@Tlod3074 I am a Volta fan cause I got him before cotc, but also you still need surfer if you want full freeze uptime, but I can understand
Ngl I didn’t even know people hated Courier 💀
@@mr.sirman8052 dang that's crazy
Good video, but all it taught me is that seafarer and courier are two fundamentally different units and comparing them is ultimately pointless
@@cashcloakburmy the similarities are that they both help a trait, but one is a bad example and one is a good example (didn't exactly put that across)
@@JeffHostmanwhy people hate courier but love *checks notes* rodeo
Because he made all the behemoths have overinflated stats
@@kirbmaster9405 also cause courier "brought" behemoths
your lying people dont hate courier cat
@@babycreeperadmin1233 I mean some do, personally I don't mind
Great video but you made one small mistake, 0:53 on this moment Seafarer cat actually has warp blocker not immunity wich is technically better
Seafearer be helping me since early game 😢 Chapter 1 EOC to all the way to Chapter 2 ItF, btw i was able to Defeat Chapter 3 EOC with Seafearer :)
Same
Seafater is my goat
@@michadrzymaa2206 real
I am not sure, but for me Courier only made Stupid Red Duck a complete joke. Without him Duck is an actual threat for sure. However, to get Courier you have to defeat the Duck at least once without him, as Duck spawns on the fourth level of Hidden Forest and on the second level of Ashvini Desert. For me this fact seems to be a great design: Duck kinda protects its doom. After you defeat it once, it becomes a complete joke.
However, other Behemoths and Reds don't take x10 damage, only x2.5 and x4 respectively, which is kinda fair probably. Other Red Behemoth (Horse) outranges Courier. Against Black Duck, Megacrab, Aku Slooth and Aku Master A Courier is just decent damager for me, maybe a little bit better that Cyborg (Cyborg is easier to buff due to Gacha and Talents though). Reds also have their counters against Courier such as Professor A. To be fair, Courier powercreeped only the enemies you could already easily beat: there is no way you defeated Red Duck before Red Cyclone because Red Cyclone is complete joke with Shaman and other anti-flyers, and Red Bun Bun is easily dealt with using Camera spawn just like normal Bun Bun. Courier makes the things easier, of course, but I remember playing EoC1 as a child, when Sir Seal used to be a threat to me, but he was powercreeped even without Courier anyway.
yeah issue, you must fight red duck at least 5 times give or take, because of behemoth stones... unless you go through the bad drop rate of a single time stage in the early levels.
The only saving grace is actually to fight the FOLIVOREON (aku behe sloth) because it is legitimitely easier to do deep forest 6 and the "strongest behemoth" stage because it didn't have red chicken. It's probably because of behe dogs being the actual pushers but that's the difference, red chicken's fast attack speed just covers the dogs to push and red chicken can then hit the snipers.
and making red duck easier doesn't excuse the other behemoths getting harder too because of courier... red horse counters courier and has base 1,6mil hp... while having higher range than chicken, along with mini wave.
When I use both phono and dphono its fine but as soon as I use dasli... Really shows how hated dasli is
@@chirevam real
Tbh they could’ve just made courier weaker instead of making behemoths stronger
I don’t like seafarer but I love courier because he carried me through behemoth stages
@@Jacob-nu9pq dang not liking seafarer is wild
@ I don’t really have a use for him because I have high +levels on my rare cats
i dont have seafarer straight up
What the red duck has that much HP? I've always thought he has, like, 10 HP ever since I've got Courier lol
@@evil_forestman idk courier does what courier does
i think you mean lucas IV
nobody hates courier bro 🙏
@@skylovescoldwater some people definitely do, I don't hate him personally though
Bruh, I GOT SEAFARER AFTER I BEAT COTC 3, AND I WAS IN KOMBU CAPE WHEN I GOT HIM (im in quaratine isles now)
@@darinluiscorum615 that's actually crazy 💀
I got surfer in chapter one
I love courier more
NAH i don't agree i love courier cat
@@Blubmin tbh it's more kinda the fact that he introduced behemoths and powercreeps red, but I kinda agree cause I like his cheap area attack
Ok aight
U kinda sound like souptasta
No one hates courier
Hi
@@chirathsuraweera2235 cyclone
I love courier tho
Some people do
everyone loves courier wdym
@@snezzzz most battle cats UA-camrs in the corner: (I don't mind him tho)
seafarer is my fav by far cus i hate alien
I have their second form
(Not the last form)
@@CanCanCannitycater surfer?
@@JeffHostman ya and couriers form
You sound like soupasta
@@Bingo2012jt hold up lemme see
Ok I kinda see it
@@JeffHostman still very good vid
dude I swear if you exist in the battle cats community, you either love courier because he’s “busted” and “can delete sol” (WHICH IS WILD) or hate courier because of those same reasons
saying courier deletes sol is just wrong. canned juice is so stupid.
can delete sol assumption is just bs imo
@ it really is
tbh i hate seafarer he does fuqing nothimg when i use him
courier is also fun to use
@@v1_ultrakill_real well at least both courier and seafarer are in rng together
@@JeffHostman but i gotta agree that courier is a bit broken because he was made as a counter to red duck and help you get catarzan to beat the alien crab and it goes on like that ... but hes damage way to much as he does 80 k damage on hit to duck and the red horse i think
Courier absolutely doesnt even come close to making thundia useless, i have to use her on a lot of red enemy stages due to, guess what
Courier not being good enough alone, mine is level 40 do you think he just solo'd unjust war for me? Do you think he will solo harder red stages? Even the red cyclone floor of heavenly tower cant be solo courier carried
so? I said courier cheeses Most red stages, and that he Essentially invalidates them. Courier isn't good all around, but he still makes most red enemies a joke. Plus, courier isn't good on his own either. Few units do good alone
Courier is awesome
@@lasvossal kinda made it seem like I hate courier, but personally I think he's ok
Fellow Lasvoss spotted
Oh no not two of you
@@Lasvossreborn lol
Next video idea: Why people love Crazed Bahamut but hate Lasvoss
Did you just compare a shitty gacha midranger who barely helps crowd controlling his target trait with a no gacha spammable LD rusher that absolutely wrecks reds and is the main weapon against behemoths
@@an_idi.ot_ yes, and also seafarer is good
Im better
you ain't wrong tho
seafarer and courier isn't similar in any way 🤡
Shut up man
If you hate courier ur kinda dumb, always been broken units and its really nice to have him especially for grinding, basically just a newer cancan except a bit faster thats all he is
@@horse7406 bro I never said I hated courier