@@andrewschannel4259 Indeed. I think the 567 was the first of that style, then came the 645 and then 710. From what I understand they were all basically the same with just incremental improvements in addition to the increased displacement. Man I can hear those 645-16's lumbering around in around notch 4 at the small lumber yard that was just a mile or so from our house when I was a kid.
Sweet sound of EMD, working like a charm! In Europe, an EMD GT22HW-2 (12-645E3 engine) has started after 3 years being dead without a problem, first I couldn't believe my eyes and ears! EMD forever :D
We started an 12-645E3C in. an AAT22C-2R after 15 YEARS inactivity here in Newport Australia it started up as it was only a few days when it was shut down last absolutely fantastic👍👍👍👍
There is one of the best engines of all time. As Boss Kettering said "Parts left out cost nothing and cause few service problems" and also four stroke engines have " one stroke to do the work and three strokes to wear it out". Long like the EMD 2 stoke (i prefer the naturally aspirated engine without the Ying Ying to it, but accept that you need to chase efficiency where-ever you can find it. I'm sad that GM sold it off. That is a crime.
They have a big resistor wired into the start circuit.. it's to slow the crank for the first couple revs.. then the resistor gets bypassed to crank at full speed.. it's for hydrolock protection.
Typical after 7 months without being fired up. Oil buildup in the turbo, hence the unusual amount of smoke from the stack. Sounded like it wasn’t putting out the usual idle RPM, after settling down into low idle. I would’ve revved er up a bit with the layshaft at least a few times.
depends on the engine but in some bigger engines there are oil passages actually formed in the parts that the oil flows through to get up into the valve guides rocker arms push rods again that is on some engines i am sure other engines do it differently like a lawn mower engine has a "dipper" formed onto the piston that slings the oil up in to everything to lube it my car has passages in the head that allows oil to come up into and almost fill the valve cover the cycle back down to the oil pan
wolvesone now if only you could explain that to my cousin's idot boy friend that tries as hard as he can to lock up the engine in his jeep while he's out burying it in mud.
@@scenicdepictionsofchicagolife their locally made locomotives were not very reliable, the trend started in the '80s when foster yeoman bought some locomotive to run on BR rails.
@Pilotguy123, You just can't beat EMD for good ROCK-SOLID reliability Baby!!!!! I VERY SERIOUSLY DOUBT that there are any GE or even ALCO diesels that can start up easily after sitting for 7 months!!!
Oil is running off the ends of the valve bridges so it's getting up there, if it's been sitting for months it may take a while for that thick cold straight SAE 40 to get everywhere.
this should have been pre lubed...the oil is supplied through the cam to the cylinders with that oil jumper line to the rocker shaft to the bridge adjuster and into the bridge
Dual electric starters, just as Kettering himself invented years before (and, became part of DELCO, before he joined GM). Dual pneumatic starters in the same position for stationary engines.
a few years ago the illinois railway museum was able to free an emd 567 and actually get it to restart after a decade of sitting around. and @ford9572 it is true about the alcos having issues restarting easily after some time sitting. GBW 2407, ex-ATSF Alco RSD15 841, had some issues after its 251 motor was freed and restarted after nearly 2 decades by the same guys at the Illinois Railway Museum.
Is this an IC SD40-2 (6000-series)? I think most of those have been retired or sold by CN. I’ve heard (from engineers who have actually run them) that those were junk.
david Horner I think it's something to do with the length of the route they were running on. They were built on SDP45 frames (SDP45s I think we're passenger versions of SD45s that were even longer), and this was to accommodate a larger fuel tank of 5000 gallons. This meant they could run more of the route without refuelling. That's as far as my knowledge goes though :P
the governor will allow the engine to run for 60 seconds at start up without proper oil pressure, that's usually enough time for oil pressure to build at idle. That engine should have been pre-lubed before start up if it was laid up that long.
Its a inflow type engine meaning that the air comes in the ports and the exhaust goes out the valves. The valves close while the ports are still open allow packing the cylinder. The big 100,000 hp ship engines usethis principle. The FairBanks OP engine gets the same effect with exhaust ports by having the exhaust side crankshaft lead the intake crankshaft by a few degrees.
Well, this is an EMD locomotive with a two-stroke engine. This noise is normal - it's the noise made by the turbocharger. Actually, it is only a half-assed turbocharger. When the engine is spinning slower, (at about half throttle or less) the turbocharger is actually spun by the motor shaft through a gearbox and a clutch. When you go up to full power, the turbocharger is only running on the exhaust gas pressure. This clutch thing, along with the fact that it is a two stroke engine, allows it to rev up faster than an equivalent-sized medium speed four stroke diesel engine, without making a huge cloud of smoke. (Smaller, but similarly powerful 4 stroke diesels run at higher speeds. Due to less mass, they can rev faster as well.) P.S. Did you know that this engine has exactly _zero_ air intake valves? Intake air comes in through holes in the side of the cylinder wall, which are uncovered when the piston is near the bottom of it's travel.
+Chris Collins The 12 valves on the left and right are the exhaust, middle is the injector. The air charge comes in thru ports in the bottom of the cylinder
+Chris Collins Nope,...exhaust valves. That middle rocker controls the fuel injector. Fresh intake air is blown into ports on the side of the cylinder walls when the piston is at bottom dead center uncovering the ports. That fresh intake air blows the exhaust out through the exhaust valves. Not sure,but I THINK these engines used either a roots type blower or a turbo,...maybe both. Anyone care to chime in on this? Their smaller Detroit Diesel two stroke cousins operated the same way.
NorfolkSouthern643 These engines use clutched turbochargers, so at low rpm it acts like a supercharger, and then when the engine accelerates the turbo uses exhaust gasses. Quite an ingenious setup, as it eliminates a lot of turbo lag.
typical loud rattly EMD that does nothing but turn fuel into noise.. one of many reasons why I bad order every piece of junk EMD I get, especially ACes! GE is reliable and quiet but powerful and comfy.. plus made in the USA, not Mexico or wherever "EMD" garbage is made these days! our roster is predominantly GE AC power so that in itself says something! :D
ImpyLane Hey guess what? No one cares! Try and find me a piece of shit ge locomotive built around the same time as this trusty and powerful SD40, still in use, like this one. Oh that's right, there are none! Railroad's are dumping them left and right because they are complete garbage! There are Class I railroads around the country that still use first generation EMD power on a daily basis, simply because they are far superior to ge's. Also, this particular locomotive was made in La Grange, Ill. USA. So you're wrong about that. As far as your railroad rostering mostly ge units, I'm quite sorry to hear that. Must suck to ride in a ticking time bomb all day long. Enjoy that junk, while the rest of us enjoy real, powerful, awesome Electro Motive products, which again, are far superior to anything ge can make. Plus they actually have a mean sound of power. None of those shit sounding ge prime movers will ever compare.
SkyhawkACE123 uhh lol you must be using foamer terms bro.. I dont have a clue nor do I care what "first generation EMD power" is.. I work for CP out of Alyth and run mostly GE motors and love them for their comfort and reliability as do the rest of my peers.. I dont know what you mean about sound, I couldnt care less how they sound as long as they get my train over the road and provide me with comfort, peace, and a smooth ride.. you sound a lot like a foamer with all the talk of first generation and mean sounding power etc. remind me which railway you work for again? you sound like you have many years experience running this equipment for a living.. which union local do you pay dues to? oh.. didnt think so.. lol
ImpyLane Knowing facts and being able to prove that throughout the years EMD makes better and more reliable products than ge doesnt make me an EMD fanboy, more so an enthusiast.
SkyhawkACE123 knowing facts lol ok.. so basically going off of second hand foamer gossip you have heard but you still have no working experience with the equipment.. I love how you intentionally don't capitalize GE, which is an acronym for a proper noun, General Electric. not sure which country you're from but here in Canada we capitalize proper nouns, no matter how childish of an attitude we may have toward them.. little protip to help you not look so uneducated! :) and yeah, enthusiast.. you're a foamer. I get it. I don't talk to foamers, so bye.
ImpyLane None of my information is based "off of second hand foamer gossip". I thought Canadians were supposed to be nice people, and here you are going around my videos and trying to start shit with your knowledge that isn't credible what so ever. Hell, for all you know I work for CP too. In fact, called for 281@1800 out of Portage right now. Hopefully it's a 6200 series, none of that ge shit.
I was never really a diesel fan until I heard an EMD 645. that's a glorious mechanical noise.
Wasn't the I C the only railroad to order the SD 40A's?
NJW1973 I believe so. IC rebuilt the rest of their power, these they ordered. The GP10s are a good example of a rebuild.
The 567 series prime mover is also amazing.
@@andrewschannel4259 Indeed. I think the 567 was the first of that style, then came the 645 and then 710. From what I understand they were all basically the same with just incremental improvements in addition to the increased displacement. Man I can hear those 645-16's lumbering around in around notch 4 at the small lumber yard that was just a mile or so from our house when I was a kid.
@@Shane-Singleton Absolutely. You can feel those engines throttle up from a distance.
Love the sounds of an EMD.
One of the best sounds in the whole world......
I agree! Even the whining of the supercharger is music.
Music to my ears!
And it still works like a charm after 7 months. That's the power of EMD!
That is the cleanest EMD prime mover I have ever seen. Thank you for posting.
I was thinking the same
Am I the only one wishing that all engines had clipped and hinged rocker covers like this?
wevowa No you are not.
That's one of the many thing that make EMDs so special!
Sweet sound of EMD, working like a charm! In Europe, an EMD GT22HW-2 (12-645E3 engine) has started after 3 years being dead without a problem, first I couldn't believe my eyes and ears! EMD forever :D
We started an 12-645E3C in. an AAT22C-2R after 15 YEARS inactivity here in Newport Australia it started up as it was only a few days when it was shut down last absolutely fantastic👍👍👍👍
i don't know what any of you are talking bout, but I love reading all of this anyway. Love the sound of these engines!!!
Best song I have heard on UA-cam for a long time.
Sounds like how I wake up on a Monday.
There is one of the best engines of all time. As Boss Kettering said "Parts left out cost nothing and cause few service problems" and also four stroke engines have " one stroke to do the work and three strokes to wear it out". Long like the EMD 2 stoke (i prefer the naturally aspirated engine without the Ying Ying to it, but accept that you need to chase efficiency where-ever you can find it. I'm sad that GM sold it off. That is a crime.
The sale of EMD was all part of the General Motors CORPORATION bankruptcy. First order, "divest ANYTHING not automobile related"
@Norlia Smith yeah 2 stroke engines need blowers because there's no intake stroke to suck air in and no exhaust stroke to push fumes out.
Beautiful Sounds of the Past!
That's one clean engine!!!! Looks like a new crate motor!
Amazing video, must love that EMD rattling sound!
It IS like no other!
I could listen to that all day.
Used to see that locomotive all the time growing up in Paducah KY when it was still an Illinois Central Railroad engine.
these emds seem to last forever. happy so many interesting ones are around
Nothing like the sound of a two-stroke General motors EMD 645 coming to life. Just listen to that valve train! And that turbocharger.
Diesel engines and EMD, what a combination - the best of both put together.
Yes!!!
EMD diesels...second sexiest sounding engine ever built (Cat 3406 is number 1 in my book). This is awesome man!!
Sweet sounding EMD's!!!!!
Thanks! I love the sound of EMD's!
I like how it repeats the engine rythm
I like how 90% of the sound is from the turbo
I want to see how fast they rock wile it is in 8! lol
Top valve train speed is 900 rpm. EMD tried bumping up rpm for the 50 series locomotives and ended with engine failure.
@@davidhupke8457 I think they bumped it up to 950rpm instead of 900
Yeh f3b engines run a slighty higher rpm
Seems to crank pretty slow, but still lights off by the 5th or 6th revolution. This engine WANTS to run!
Yeah, they usually get going pretty quickly, even when it's cold. These old 645s do pretty well for an engine which only has 14.5:1 compression.
They have a big resistor wired into the start circuit.. it's to slow the crank for the first couple revs.. then the resistor gets bypassed to crank at full speed.. it's for hydrolock protection.
Typical after 7 months without being fired up. Oil buildup in the turbo, hence the unusual amount of smoke from the stack. Sounded like it wasn’t putting out the usual idle RPM, after settling down into low idle. I would’ve revved er up a bit with the layshaft at least a few times.
the sound ... oh my god!
She's in Jim Boyd's book Illinois Central Railroad Monday morning rails
Tune out the turbo, it sounds EXACTLY like a GP38! (Even though it lacks the roots blower whine)
Awesome sounds!
I've never seen an EMD valve train that was not covered in lubricating oil.
Peter the 710's have dual starters, this engine has windings in the generator to start and the dual pneumatic starters was for the 20 cyl version
Where is this thing at now? Is it still in lacrosse?
It went to Cape & Sons/Sweetwater Switching in Texas a few years back.
depends on the engine but in some bigger engines there are oil passages actually formed in the parts that the oil flows through to get up into the valve guides rocker arms push rods again that is on some engines i am sure other engines do it differently like a lawn mower engine has a "dipper" formed onto the piston that slings the oil up in to everything to lube it my car has passages in the head that allows oil to come up into and almost fill the valve cover the cycle back down to the oil pan
these do as well. but the engine has sat for a long time and it takes a while for the oil to make it up there when its cold
wolvesone now if only you could explain that to my cousin's idot boy friend that tries as hard as he can to lock up the engine in his jeep while he's out burying it in mud.
“They don’t make em like they use to 👨🏻🦳”
IMO,those EMD'S help save the British rail system since privatization........
May I ask how? I am not familiar with British rail.
@@scenicdepictionsofchicagolife their locally made locomotives were not very reliable, the trend started in the '80s when foster yeoman bought some locomotive to run on BR rails.
LINDO, BATE COMO O CORAÇÃO DE UMA MULHER QUANDO ESTÁ SENTINDO AQUELE "DESEJO".
@Pilotguy123, You just can't beat EMD for good ROCK-SOLID reliability Baby!!!!! I VERY SERIOUSLY DOUBT that there are any GE or even ALCO diesels that can start up easily after sitting for 7 months!!!
Yes!!
If that's the case,why is GE going to stop locomotive production
because GE wants only very profitable divisions under umbrella- for every 10 cents they want a dollar.
Shouldnt there be oil spewing out between the bushings? How is the cam and rollers getting oil?
Oil is running off the ends of the valve bridges so it's getting up there, if it's been sitting for months it may take a while for that thick cold straight SAE 40 to get everywhere.
this should have been pre lubed...the oil is supplied through the cam to the cylinders with that oil jumper line to the rocker shaft to the bridge adjuster and into the bridge
yep no prelub. always prelub
EMD offers a rack assembly modification to ensure top is lubed on startup. $$$
@@Woodman_Custom_Sawing a mod to the turbo lube pump could do the same.
Halleluja :)
Dual electric starters, just as Kettering himself invented years before (and, became part of DELCO, before he joined GM).
Dual pneumatic starters in the same position for stationary engines.
Why is it dry like that? On other videos you can see the top deck full of oil
a few years ago the illinois railway museum was able to free an emd 567 and actually get it to restart after a decade of sitting around. and @ford9572 it is true about the alcos having issues restarting easily after some time sitting. GBW 2407, ex-ATSF Alco RSD15 841, had some issues after its 251 motor was freed and restarted after nearly 2 decades by the same guys at the Illinois Railway Museum.
Lovvvve it!!
how does the valve train get oil? I always wonder when I see videos of the motor running with the valve cover open
How many exhaust valves? Does the center rocker control fuel?
Why does the valvetrain look bone dry?
Great video :)
Is this an IC SD40-2 (6000-series)? I think most of those have been retired or sold by CN. I’ve heard (from engineers who have actually run them) that those were junk.
Formerly the IC 6009
It's alive!
Hello skyhawk. This Engine was parked for weeks about 5 miles south of my house. then it just disappeared. Any idea where it is now?
That's pretty sweet
Good old Detroit engine want to put one in my ranger 4-53 60 series
Not only that but a 4-53 won't fit in the engine bay of a Ranger Danger and a 60-series won't even fit in the *bed* of a Ranger Danger.
At end the black oil starting to show.
Hell yeahhh
Isnt this a former IC unit? I know they had a bunch of SD-40A units.
yep, specifically purchased for Chicago to Birmingham freights
Randy James- why specific engines for that route? what made that service special that the need to order engines specifically for it?
david Horner I think it's something to do with the length of the route they were running on. They were built on SDP45 frames (SDP45s I think we're passenger versions of SD45s that were even longer), and this was to accommodate a larger fuel tank of 5000 gallons. This meant they could run more of the route without refuelling. That's as far as my knowledge goes though :P
What's the difference between an SD40 and an SD40A? K&O runs lots of them...
Size of fuel tank primarily... much larger capacity... normal SD40's built on longer SDP45 frames to get the extra space between trucks. Built for IC.
i know this is old, but arnt those similar to SD40-2Rs?
Just how long does it take the oil to get to the rocker arms?
the governor will allow the engine to run for 60 seconds at start up without proper oil pressure, that's usually enough time for oil pressure to build at idle. That engine should have been pre-lubed before start up if it was laid up that long.
Yes GE is leaving the locomotive building business.
Should have been preludes before starting.
I didn’t see any oil on the rocker arms etc, before startup.
Takes 15 seconds or so for oil to start flowing down the top deck at start up, entirely normal.
How the hell is this a 2 stroke engine when it has valves and cams?
Its a inflow type engine meaning that the air comes in the ports and the exhaust goes out the valves. The valves close while the ports are still open allow packing the cylinder. The big 100,000 hp ship engines usethis principle. The FairBanks OP engine gets the same effect with exhaust ports by having the exhaust side crankshaft lead the intake crankshaft by a few degrees.
Why do big diesels just make a whining noise instead of distinct chugging like the small ones?
Well, this is an EMD locomotive with a two-stroke engine. This noise is normal - it's the noise made by the turbocharger. Actually, it is only a half-assed turbocharger. When the engine is spinning slower, (at about half throttle or less) the turbocharger is actually spun by the motor shaft through a gearbox and a clutch. When you go up to full power, the turbocharger is only running on the exhaust gas pressure. This clutch thing, along with the fact that it is a two stroke engine, allows it to rev up faster than an equivalent-sized medium speed four stroke diesel engine, without making a huge cloud of smoke. (Smaller, but similarly powerful 4 stroke diesels run at higher speeds. Due to less mass, they can rev faster as well.)
P.S. Did you know that this engine has exactly _zero_ air intake valves? Intake air comes in through holes in the side of the cylinder wall, which are uncovered when the piston is near the bottom of it's travel.
The whining sound is the supercharger that blows air into the cylinders. There's no intake valves.
looks like a submarine engine
Nice
Were you at Wellsboro when you filmed this?
Lacrosse
How are these engines started ? I have heard that they "motor" the generator for starting.
2 delco 40MT starters start that up
that is the EX IC unit isn't it
yep, sd40a , specifically purchased for Chicago to Birmingham freights
Las hermosas E.M.D aqui son usadas como generadores de 2.5 M.W
Best
cual es la causa de humos blanco en un 645 E7 ?
el motor esta frio o el moto esta quemando agua
Starting up burliness!
Got that right
👌
Pls valve clearance measured
Achha hai☺️👍
Wait, thought these were 2 strokes? Intake valves?
+Chris Collins The 12 valves on the left and right are the exhaust, middle is the injector. The air charge comes in thru ports in the bottom of the cylinder
+Chris Collins Nope,...exhaust valves. That middle rocker controls the fuel injector. Fresh intake air is blown into ports on the side of the cylinder walls when the piston is at bottom dead center uncovering the ports. That fresh intake air blows the exhaust out through the exhaust valves. Not sure,but I THINK these engines used either a roots type blower or a turbo,...maybe both. Anyone care to chime in on this? Their smaller Detroit Diesel two stroke cousins operated the same way.
NorfolkSouthern643 These engines use clutched turbochargers, so at low rpm it acts like a supercharger, and then when the engine accelerates the turbo uses exhaust gasses. Quite an ingenious setup, as it eliminates a lot of turbo lag.
Charred Steak The 645E is roots-blown, the 645E3 is turbocharged. GE specializes in four-stroke engines like the 7FDL and GEVO engine lines.
Same sound run 8
subhanallah
7 month
ankit shingwell
Ex IC unit
I grew up watching her in Paducah KY
typical loud rattly EMD that does nothing but turn fuel into noise.. one of many reasons why I bad order every piece of junk EMD I get, especially ACes! GE is reliable and quiet but powerful and comfy.. plus made in the USA, not Mexico or wherever "EMD" garbage is made these days! our roster is predominantly GE AC power so that in itself says something! :D
ImpyLane Hey guess what? No one cares! Try and find me a piece of shit ge locomotive built around the same time as this trusty and powerful SD40, still in use, like this one. Oh that's right, there are none! Railroad's are dumping them left and right because they are complete garbage! There are Class I railroads around the country that still use first generation EMD power on a daily basis, simply because they are far superior to ge's. Also, this particular locomotive was made in La Grange, Ill. USA. So you're wrong about that. As far as your railroad rostering mostly ge units, I'm quite sorry to hear that. Must suck to ride in a ticking time bomb all day long. Enjoy that junk, while the rest of us enjoy real, powerful, awesome Electro Motive products, which again, are far superior to anything ge can make. Plus they actually have a mean sound of power. None of those shit sounding ge prime movers will ever compare.
SkyhawkACE123 uhh lol you must be using foamer terms bro.. I dont have a clue nor do I care what "first generation EMD power" is.. I work for CP out of Alyth and run mostly GE motors and love them for their comfort and reliability as do the rest of my peers.. I dont know what you mean about sound, I couldnt care less how they sound as long as they get my train over the road and provide me with comfort, peace, and a smooth ride.. you sound a lot like a foamer with all the talk of first generation and mean sounding power etc.
remind me which railway you work for again? you sound like you have many years experience running this equipment for a living.. which union local do you pay dues to? oh.. didnt think so.. lol
ImpyLane Knowing facts and being able to prove that throughout the years EMD makes better and more reliable products than ge doesnt make me an EMD fanboy, more so an enthusiast.
SkyhawkACE123 knowing facts lol ok.. so basically going off of second hand foamer gossip you have heard but you still have no working experience with the equipment.. I love how you intentionally don't capitalize GE, which is an acronym for a proper noun, General Electric. not sure which country you're from but here in Canada we capitalize proper nouns, no matter how childish of an attitude we may have toward them.. little protip to help you not look so uneducated! :)
and yeah, enthusiast.. you're a foamer. I get it. I don't talk to foamers, so bye.
ImpyLane None of my information is based "off of second hand foamer gossip". I thought Canadians were supposed to be nice people, and here you are going around my videos and trying to start shit with your knowledge that isn't credible what so ever. Hell, for all you know I work for CP too. In fact, called for 281@1800 out of Portage right now. Hopefully it's a 6200 series, none of that ge shit.