The Railway Lost to the Lake - Forgotten Ffestiniog
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- Опубліковано 28 лис 2021
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Forgotten Ffestiniog - The Railway Lost to the Lake
Join me as I visit a long disused railway line in North Wales as we visit 3 key locations along the former Bala Ffestiniog Railway.
We begin our explore by visiting a rarely seen tunnel, just 76 yards in length but with a real beauty inside, just East of Bala.
Next up it's off to look at where the railway was lost to the lake. A village flooded behind a dam. What railway history does it still hold and can we discover any?
Finally it's off to the stunning Cwm Prysor Viaduct.
9 arches of brick beauty explored ft ground level and above too.
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Sadly a typo slipped through the net on this one on the on screen title. Sorry about this 🙂
Great video, just a brief comment on the history of the reservoir. In 1957 Liverpool Corporation obtained an Act of Parliament to build the reservoir which involved the removal of the residents of the village and valley. It was fiercely fought, but to no avail. The Act did make provision to reroute the line, but British Railways wanted to close it. Liverpool did pay for a rail link in Bleaneau Ffestiniog to join the Conwy Valley line (still running today) to the top end of this line for access to Trawsfynydd Nuclear power station which was being built, but this is another subject! Liverpool City Council did eventually apologise in 2005 but to mixed responses. The pushing through of the act did give impetus to the desire for Welsh people to have a greater say in their affairs. I am from Liverpool by the way!
The railway from Blaenau Ffestiniog to the Conwy valley line was built in the 1880s - nothing to do with Liverpool
Yes the railway from Bleaneau Ffestiniog down the Conwy Valley was built by the LNWR in the 1880s but was not connected to the GWR line from Bala to Bleaneau until 1963 after the Bala line was closed and flooded. This gave access to the nuclear power station at Trawsfyndd to the Conwy Valley line. This link was what I was referring to.
@@williamgrisenthwaite6557 There was a connection in the 1880s - you can see it on the 1899 Ordnance Survey map. Maybe the 1963 realignment was just less tortuous and more suitable for through trains
The connection on the OS maps from the 1880s between the LNWR line down the Conwy Valley and the GWR line to Bala was the Ffestiniog railway narrow gauge. The standard gauge line was put in to allow nuclear flask trains to get from the North Wales coast line to Trawsfyndd power station. This almost certainly saved the Conwy Valley line from closure.
Religious experience watching that. Used to spend my childhood summers in Wales (Tycanol) on my maternal grandfather's farm (now a campsite), and the gurgling of the brook under the viaduct took me back to the primal memory of the brooks on the farm. Amazing...Being from a deprived area of London, I'd never experienced the countryside like I had at the farm. The Welsh countryside was an other-world experience.
Thank you for the adventure...and taking me back.
Be fantastic if the Llangollen Railway reopened this line fully! What a railway they’d have!
Absolutely we said that as we drove through to Llangollen afterwards. Thanks for watching 😀
Would be nice one day to get the line back from Llan to Ruabon(not impossible) and the other way Corwen to Bala Town, and who knows...beyond to Trawsfynydd. Nothing is impossible.
@@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf Just do a Ffestiniog style deviation where the lake is.
@@nigelkthomas9501 Exactly. Not as if they are short of space to go round it!
Unfortunately with their cyrrent financial problems we'll have a long wait.
Great bit of infro on that part of Wales. I lived in very close to Brybmo Steel works { i think it was the best steel made in UK ?] Steel work is now working in China. There is a great book on this railway by Martin f Williams and Derek j Lowe, It is still for sale. The drone images help a great deal Thank you for your hard work
This channel is one of the main reasons I've given up on 'network television'; I won't lie, there are a few other disused railway and urb-ex YT channels I watch, but this one is a cut above the rest - this video had me hooked from start to finish; And boy oh boy, the absolutely STUNNING still images and haunting music just captures the feel perfectly, as if I was virtually there. Thanks so much for your hard work, editing and delivery. Can't wait for the next installment...
Thank you so much for such a lovely, amazing and honest comment. I'm so pleased that you enjoy this and many of the others too. Thank you Thank you Thank you :)
I used to live in N Wales. To see the former magical mystical railway line with old photos was fantastic. One day I hope to return.
Very amazing!!! Everytime i watch your videos i think how here in the US our lost railways are gone forever, taken over by development with no trace that it was there. The UK has so many gems and its very amazing how many lost railways can be found and explored 50-100 years after its gone. Thank you for another great video and i look forward to more as always!!
Thank you so much Warren. I'm so pleased that you enjoyed it and i'll keep trying to find more locations like this :)
Makes me feel old; I've seen trains from Bala in the old Blaenau Ffestiniog Central station, I went through the valley a number of times before it was flooded, and I saw the dam being built (and the new road around it)
Lovely video
I first discovered some railway features on this road in 1963 on a motorbike trip from Coventry to Barmouth. It puzzled me many times in later years towing our caravan to Porthmadog. You have answered many questions many years later . Thanks Ant keep up the good work.
Great video and commentary walked most of this line many times, thanks for posting. Just to be clear the construction of Llyn Celyn was not the demise for this line, offers by Liverpool Corporation to build a line deviation were not enough to save it, for all the impressive views the line afforded and there are many, this line was never going to survive Mr Beechings modern vision for British rail.
Excellent video filled in some of the gaps when I visited the area when I walked from the viaduct towards Ffestiog about 10 years ago. If you carried on further you find yourself on a ledge high above the valley floor with some breathtaking views. The two bits of rail with the iron bars are the remains of a fire place that were inside a platelayers hut. These were often timber with a brick chimney. I thing there were the remains of a few a bit further north. There was also a brick built permanent way hut a bit further that survived in fairly good condition. A good place to shelter when the heavens open - as it did on the day I visited!
Ant, I found a quiet moment and I did enjoy it, half an hour lost in the Welsh mountains, great scenery, fantastic finds thanks to the dry weather & superb dronage, no wonder you enjoyed filming it👍🏻❤ I'm thinking Wales answer to Glenfinnan, what a stunning viaduct.
I absolutly loved my time doing this. It's what i love and i love to be able to share it too. I'll be back around there early next year for sure :) And to think i lost this footage due to an SD card corruption that took me 4 weeks to finally get back.....
@@TrekkingExploration I know you love it, your enthusiasm for it all leaps off the screen👍🏻 Loving the Wales vibe, so much industrial history just begging to be vlogged by you. Thanks as usual🍻
Excellent video, absolutely loved the still pictures taken in the tunnel.
Trawsfynydd used to house an inland nuclear power station and there used to be a nuclear flask taken from Trawsfynydd by rail through Blaenau Ffestiniog and the Conwy Valley Line to Sellafield on a regular basis. This line between Trawsfynydd & Blaenau Ffestiniog is now closed.
Now for the Welsh and I stand to be corrected as well. Cwm is like you saying coom, a 'dd' is like the English 'th' and a single 'f' in a name is like a 'v'.
Cwm means valley, Nant is small river or brook,
Yes I visited the Nuclear Flask area. The track is still down as well as buffer stops. I definitely need to go back 😀
@@TrekkingExploration The track is still down all the way to Blaenau Ffestiniog, separated there by a gap from the operational railway.
Great video, as ever.
Very interesting video liked the colours in the tunnel .my geography and geology teacher in secondary school Mr Meredith a Welsh chap taught us that a cwm or Corrie were terms for a glaciated hollow worn by ice.
The old line runs through Tyn Cornel camp site, our kids stayed there on a number of occasions. Disused railways are very evocative places, the echos of life and endeavour and lost youth.
There is a strong possibility that Irish Rebel leader Michael Collins would have travelled along this railway. He more than likely would have been brought to Fron Goch detention camp following the 1916 Easter Rising in Dublin from Stafford Prison. When he was released from Fron Goch in December 1916 he caught the ferry boat back to Dublin from Holyhead. In order to get to Holyhead would mean a train from Fron Goch camp station back towards Bala and then Chester direction and then on to Holyhead through the earlier tunnel, the opposite way to when he may well have been brought in. Or, upon release he might have got the train from Fron Goch to Blaenau Ffestiniog and then onto Llandudno Junction and Holyhead going over the Cwm Prysor Viaduct route.
The bridge you looked at is made of GWR Broad guage Bridge rail lots of it was used in structures and for posts for fences and signs as there was a lot available as the gauge was changed gradually to 4ft 8 and a half inches from 7ft. You will see it has holes in the foot for fixing it down to the longitudinal timbers of the broad gauge track. The concrete post was one of the posts that formed the handrails of the bridge similar to the ones on Cwm Prysor viaduct. They often also had the bridge number plate attached. Lots of short under bridges were rail decked. The rails were sometimes bridge rail on GW branch lines and sometimes bullhead rails bolted together across the bridge at intervals to keep them stable and upright. The beauty of bridge rail for this purpose was that is flat based so stands upright with no tying together, hence its widespread use as the top of culverts such as these.
Lovely film, thanks! I remember seeing Cwm Prysor viaduct from the road some way below and admiring it through the rain. I always find it rather sad to see such remnants of a railway, and thinking 'what if? What have I missed?' Your films at least to some extent bring them back to life, at least in the imagination!
An excellent video and I loved the viaduct, a Ribblehead in miniature! I think the chain hoists on that iron bridge are for demounting a cattle box off a trailer or wagon.
Pleased you enjoyed it. It's one of my favourites if I'm honest. Thank you so much ❤️
the rails you can seen on that culvert are old Great Western Railway bridge rails used on its 7 foot gauge system. it is found over much of the Great Western along with the later type as gat posts and other features.
brilliant.....the music always gets me
Most enjoyable ,I keep saying I will visit that viaduct .
Great Video, the metalwork used on top of the water course bridges was old broad gauge rail, these were also used on straining posts on track side fencing. Well done on your attempts at the Welsh names, Llan thur vil (Llandderfel), kelin (Celyn).
Fantastic video! It would be absolutely amazing to see this line reopened but it’ll never happen. The Liverpool Council had in fact planned to deviate the line but it didn’t happen as British Transport decided to close the line. If memory serves, the route had been closed to passengers prior to this and was only a freight route.
Had you visited in August/Setember the following year even more of the trackbed was to be seen as we had exceptionally dry weather and the reservoir was at its lowest since the mid 90s.
My Nain (grandmother) lived just a little way past the Cwm Prysor viaduct and remember how the trains would drop stuff off to their farm. I do find it funny how on your return trek across the viaduct that it’s raining! Welcome to Welsh weather!
Also the Nant Prysor v Cwm Prysor confusion - I know it as Cwm Prysor viaduct. Nant Prysor would be the little river/stream that flows beneath it.
Anyway, I won’t bore you with more info on this one.
Fascinating stuff! I’m really enjoying your vids! 👌
Cracking video, really enjoyed this one. The still images and old comparisons are superb. Great job.
Thanks Rob. It's one o thoroughly enjoyed doing
Superb video. Knew the Llangollen to Barmouth Line well as took holidays there by train from the Midlands, but never had the opportunity to travel Bala to Blaeneau. Thank you for this lovely film
Beautiful couple of vids from Wales. Absolutely gorgeous. Good painting and photography spots. Another destination for my ever growing list. Thanks for taking us along. It's inspiring. 👍📷🖌
Great video, we traveled on the road next to the old line today and spotted a railway bridge and wondered were it went to, now we know thanks. We shall make time to walk along it soon.
What a beautiful vlog, the music, the sights and the time of the year really gives this the edge.
Really excellent video especially when you show the then and now comparisons.The drone footage is the icing on the cake. A good evenings viewing. Thank you for sharing.
What a fascinating and brilliant video! Takes me back to studend days in '71/72 at Plymouth; a group us explored some of the disused Devon and East Cornwall lines.
A fascinating and interesting video. Sad in some ways, as to the ultimate outcome of the train line. Thank you for the tour as always. Cheers Ant! 🏴🙂👍🇺🇸
Absolutely stunning thanks mate
Cheers Rob Thanks so much 🙂
Great filmography with a stunning finish. Thank you for covering this lost railway, always wondered about this branch which lead off the Barmouth branch at Bala Junction. stunning scenery. 👍
That was really good, well explained , filmed and explored. Thank you. One of the best i have seen.
Thanks so much Michael. I'm pleased you have enjoyed it as much as I've enjoyed making it 🙂
Fantastic video. That first tunnel looked magical, all those beautiful colours. The countryside is gorgeous. Not far off 10,000 subscribers doing so well. Thanks so much. Please stay safe and take care
Thanks so much Linda. I do hope you are okay. It's a nice target number to hit too 🙂
I definitely plan on returning here early next year 🙂
Brilliant video, thanks a lot. I did Cwm Prysor viaduct a few years ago but hadn't done anything else on that line so I'll have to revisit.
Thankyou so much for this wonderful video!
Thank you for watching and for your kind comment 🙂
Awesome, I love this part of the world, thanks for sharing.
Thanks so much for watching :)
Thanks for another cracking vlog very interesting and good camera work
Enjoyed every minute. Thanks Ant!
Thank you so much. Really pleased 🙂
Excellent as always. Many thanks once again. 👍
Cheers Phil thanks so much
You have an extraordinary gift for selecting appropriate music for your videos, The drone opened up a whole new vista of the former track bed quite fascinating. This is such a beautiful video, carefully constructed making an engaging video.
Nice work sir.
You've really brought this old railway line to life, thank you so much, keep up the amazing work, I love watching your videos
Thanks so much Stephen. Means a lot 🙂
what a stunning place ant
Ant, thank you for sharing your video, just fascinating, love the old photos of it back in the day. Take care.
Thanks Christine. I loved doing this one. I'm pleased you enjoyed it 😀
Stunning viaduct and great autumnal colours! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it. It's pretty special. Thank you for your support
Yep excellent video ! Really enjoyed this thanks for sharing this very interesting !
Thanks so much Steve. Glad you enjoyed it 🙂
Some magnificent railway architecture, stunning scenary and brilliant drone footage. Well done and thank you for a splendid video.
Many thanks Malcolm. That is a lovely comment i'm so pleased you enjoyed it :)
That was a beautiful piece of work! Nice one.
Thanks so much. This is absolutely one of my favourites to date 🙂
Fascinating piece of work. Thank you for sharing and keep up your good work.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you
Just the right mix of research, music and excellent photography. Well done!
Thanks so much Nicholas 🙂
Absolutely LOVED this video as I know the line very well. Lots more to see towards Bala and towards Ffestiniog...
Thanks Fi. Ever since I went in early October I've wanted to go straight back. I hope I got the pronunciations reasonably okay
Cracking stuff, thank you 🙂
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks so much :)
wonderful trip thanks, to be honest i don't mind if we don't see that much at all but here we have at least 2 viaducts, cuttings, tunnels, bridges, as well as rivers and a huge res and more, alot of this legacy to a forgotten bygone age is all in perfect condition, but the whole area seems so deserted which adds to the atmosphere, the tunnel pics are amazing and the pics from the past a nice touch
Thanks for the video some beautiful structures, beautiful viaduct and stunning tunnel. The scenery around here is awesome!!😎🚂🚃🚃🚃🇬🇧
Thank you very much! Super pleased that you enjoyed it :)
Incredible. Can’t find the words to describe your vlog, documentary. Filming, drone , wow wow wow. Loved every second . Thank you. You have a gift that’s for sure.
Thank you sooooo much Shirley. So very kind I'm pleased you enjoyed it 🙂
Great stuff Ant enjoyed that
Thanks Paul. Pleased you enjoyed it 😀
An excellent video which I thoroughly enjoyed watching with stunningly beautiful views especially from the viaduct. The sort of disused railway I'd enjoy exploring. The tunnel and drone shots were superb. Wales is a beautiful place even though it rains alot.
Thank you so much Michael. I definitely plan on returning next year. Plenty more to come 🙂
Fascinating stuff Ant, really enjoyed it 👍🏻
Thanks so much. It's definitely up there with special places I have visited
Another nice video, good work there putting it together, fantastic scenery.
Thanks so much. I'm looking forward to returning next year 🙂
That was a fabulous collection of artifacts.
Thanks so much. I'm pleased you enjoyed it :)
Terrific explore and well produced video, very enjoyable an thanks for sharing...........
Glad you enjoyed it Alan. I'll be back in the area early next year :)
I have travelled the road from Bala to Trawsfynydd many times and seen the viaduct at Cwm Prysor and the course of the trackbed clinging
to the hillside high above. I have always wondered what was left of the old line and now i know thanks to your wonderful video. I had no idea that there was a tunnel and in such good condition too. Thanks for sharing i really enjoyed watching.
I really like your video, keep the good work up.
Thanks very much Peter very kind
One of your best ever. Hope to see more.
Thanks so much. I loved making this one 😀
Really mean what I say. 👍👍👍
Brilliant video, really interesting, and the viaduct is stunning.
Thank you Mike. This is definitely one of my favourites
Superb video, wonderful stuff. Only last year I was tracing this route on Google Earth, but the bit where the railbed disappeared under Llyn Celyn isn't clear because the reservoir was full at the time of the satelite view & your drone footage made it much clearer. The part of the trackbed after Cwm Prysor viaduct which you pointed out as having disappeared is marked as shale on old OS maps if my memory serves me correctly so it probably just washed away downhill. Must have been a nightmare to keep that stretch open. Great stuff mate. 👍👍
Fascinating .Have walked part of this so was interested to see your video thank you
Thank you so much for watching 🙂
Fascinating vlog . Totally amazing countryside and footage of the former track bed .
Thanks very much Lewis 😀
Nant = Stream. Cwm = Valley. Prysor (pron. Prussor) = Busy. Pronunciation of LL = tongue behind top teeth, and blow. Llyn = Lake. Llan = Church. Dder-fel = of/like righteousness. Capel = Chapel. Celyn (pron. Kellin) = Holly. Bala - not Baala, even though it is Wales... ;-) You're welcome. Although I love driving the road from near Bala to Ffestiniog, which goes over the two dams, I've never taken the time to notice a railway, which is really interesting.
Great video as always
Thanks Chris much appreciated 🙂
I only really know the other end of the line really, so this was great to see!
I'll definitely be back to do more. Thanks for watching 😀
Brilliant...thanks....the drone shots are amazing 😉. Wifey and myself have walked virtually all of this old line.....a lot of it being permissive path .....wild Wales at its best. Oh what a tourist attraction it could have been to compliment the other lines in Wales.
Thanks so much Geoff. Really pleased you enjoyed it. I definitely plan to return early next year 🙂
Great video, I remember exploring the lake with my grandad in the 90s when it was really low revealing the old road n bridge. Never knew there was a railway.
Cheers Chris
Glad you enjoyed it and thank you for watching 🙂
Absolute blinding video! have walked it many times! Have done the Arenig bit...but have never done the lake bit...need to do it!! Class mate..superb!!
Thanks so much Gordon. I definitely would like to return to do more
Love the viaduct certainly a great find
Thanks Andrew. That viaduct is rather special
That was nice mate, enjoyed that.
Thanks so much Adrian 🙂
Thank you for sharing 👍
Thanks for watching Adrian 🙂
Amazing scenery, great video!
Thanks so much Frank. Glad you enjoyed it 🙂
Brilliant video Ant !
Thanks so much 😀
Wow Ant what a find lovely brickwork on the first tunnel and then left the best bit til last that stunning viaduct brilliant xx
Thanks Helen. It's a lovely area. It was also filmed back to front the viaduct was first and the tunnel last. Can't tell can you? 😂
No was good filming too brilliant and the drone work too x
Great inspiration to stop and visit that part of the line.
Welsh pronunciation is always a problem. Some are way off, but it would take time for you to study it. To explain the two names of the viaduct: Cwm Prysor=Prysor valley and Nant Prysor=Prysor stream. Prysor is pronounced “Pruss -or”, as usual in Welsh the emphasis is on the penultimate (in this case first) syllable. Prysor can be translated as “hurricane”; it must be quite a violent stream when in full spate!
Thanks for that. Also clearing up the different meanings 🙂
I gave it a good go at least.
Thank you for watching I'm glad you enjoyed it 🙂
Lovely scenery. We like Wales. 👍
I shall return next year. Thanks you :)
Blimey you had everything in that one Ant, really excellent work. The tunnel was a beauty despite its length and the deep cutting was a sight to behold. I did some research on Llandderfel Station and whilst there are some buildings there, none of them appear to be railway related, however, there is a flight of steps down from the road bridge to where you will find a section of platform. The viaduct was an absolute sight for sore eyes too, it looks so well preserved. Now that the cold weather is here I hope you are going to get out and film some of your signature videos of frosty railway/canal scenery!!!!
I saw the station on maps and at first assumed the tunnel was nearby it's actually quite far. The viaduct is a beauty. I'm awaiting frosty sunny mornings on a day off ❤️
What a coincidence. Know the railway well and once - when staying in the area - was photographed on the Brymbo overbridge (by the old Capel Celyn halt with an old lamp on the platform which the guard put out on the last train of the day ) when in the 1950s it was still running. Recall the trains going by.. Never been to see the tunnel though.
Some lovely memories for you there. I'll definitely be making a return to do more of the line in the New year
Very interesting video,as always i love the drone coverage,x
It's a lovely area. I'll be back hopefully next year 🙂
@@TrekkingExploration yes it looked lovely,and you make it so interesting 😃
Hi from Trawsfynydd, great video.
Thanks so much Nicky. I'll be back next year. We stayed in the old Midland Bank.
A lovely and nicely edited video of this beautiful line. I've visited this line for years and I have always found it a fascinating place. After the viaduct the views from the line were absolutely breathtaking. The Cwm Prysor Halt (station house and platform) are not far from the viaduct when your travelling east, and Frongoch (private residence) is further on beyond the Llyn Celyn dam.
Thanks so much for watching I'm pleased you enjoyed it. It is a beautiful area and I plan on returning early next year to do more 🙂
Nice stuff, thanks again. I've visited Cwm Prysor viaduct a few times, stunning place, and when continued towards Ffestiniog there are nice railway relics along the trackbed. And the views are stunning !
I'm definitely plotting on going back. Driving along the road following the track bed with my eyes high in the hills... I need to do this ❤️
@@TrekkingExploration To try spell it as it sounds... Cum-price-awe! Just about the only way to say Cwm Prysor 😁. Welsh grandparents made me learn how to say welsh names thankfully.
Good one - as usual!
It always fascinates me what's hidden under the surface of reservoirs - and what can be seen when the water level drops.
I'd love to return on a long dry summer
@@TrekkingExploration Go for it!
Great video Ant hope your well
Thanks so much Matthew. You too 🙂
Fabulous little tunnel! Isn't it odd that the camera manages to make it look much longer than a mere 76 yards? Another great video - thanks!
I had to check a few times the length online as i was sure it felt and seemed longer. Cheers Simon :)
Driven past the viaduct and reservoir so many times, did walk over the viaduct about 15 years ago with cracking views of the valley, but I didn't know about the tunnel. As always great video Ant and keep them coming 👍
Thanks so much, the Tunnel is just East of Bala, officially on the Barmouth line i believe.
The tunnel through Bryn Tan -y -graig 2000yds west of Llandderfell Sta. was not part of the Bala junction to Ffestiniog line, it was located on the Ruabon to Barmouth junction line.
Great video, my daughter lived in Ffestiniog until this year and worked at traws power station, I did not know that viaduct was there.she may have as she was in the south snowdonia mountain rescue team,thanks for the brilliant videos you make x
Awwww thanks so much. I'm pleased you enjoyed it. It was all in the middle of nowhere especially the tunnel is extremely well hidden
Superb Ant, that viaduct and tunnel really are marvels, great film.
Thanks so much Ian. That Tunnel is an extremely rare find
@@TrekkingExploration Certainly was, amazing mix of construction, the vuaduct too looked incredibly good. Not see the lake as low before, certainly worth a vist
Hey up Youth, saying that you'll know which part of our beautiful Country I come from! Yet again a brilliant production, so informative and entertaining. Keep up the good work since in my view, as the main stream entertainment and media gets worse and worse, I'm so glad that there are people like you to fill the void. I also like it that you get your facts right and if you're not sure you say so. Just think people are watching you all over the world. Kind regards.
Thanks so much for such a kind comment. I'm so glad that you enjoyed it. I do occasional question things and if i'm unsure i'll always say :) Thanks so much :)
Nice video and drone footage. Meriden, Kansas
Thanks Jerry. So pleased you enjoyed it 😀
Thanks. I used to live in Trawsfynydd and, back in about 1988/9 the lake (Llyn Celyn) ran almost dry and if one was adventurous, one could climb down and walk through the village.
Oh my goodness that sounds absolutely amazing. Definitely worth a trip back if/ when we have a dry summer