'The Battle Of Petersburg' Scene For The 1986 Mini - Series; 'North And South - Love And War'. Starring - Patrick Swayze And James Read. Music By Bill Conti.
I was an extra in this scene when we filmed the movie in 1986 in Natchez Mississippi. I was on the Confederate side. Although this only lasted for a few minutes on screen, it took us days to film this. I must say that Patrick Swayze, Parker Stevenson, and Lewis Smith were some really nice folks, not snobs like you would expect movie stars to be.
Wow! You were really an extra for North and South? My parents both watched it when it premiered on TV.... Needless to say I ended up getting the DVD set for my Mom. 😊 I really liked how it was filmed and I thought that the actors all did an excellent job portraying their characters. Thank you for being in this mini series.. I know that its cheesy but I'm a huge history buff. Oh and it said the date is April 2nd, 1865....that's the month and day I was born! 😉 Anyways sorry for blathering on and plausibly boring you...
@@dpfljr I don't know whether it is true but the given the superiority of the north also from the point of view of equipment and weapons (not only of the men) and from the fear that the rebs could have captured also just few of them, pushed the northern commanders to deploy just some models along the lines on the last days, but I might be wrong.
A sort of funny story from that film, I had a old worn out pair of dingo boots that I had bought in 1972 and loaned a guy to wear for this movie. He bought some brogans and asked me what to do with the old boots. I said "Throw 'em away" which he did. A month later, back in Galveston, an old friend Jack King said "Hey, someone found your boots over at that movie set in Mississippi and sent them here to me to get them back to you." Sure enough, those old boots had my name in them!
Do you remember when during a lull in the filming someone on the Union side jumped up and shouted "Tastes Great!" then someone on the Confederate side jumped up on the breastworks and hollered "Less Filling!" (for those of you too young to remember, that was a Miller Lite Commercial) and pretty soon everyone was hollering, the Yankees hollering "Tastes Great!" and the Rebs hollering "Less Filling!" and that night the Miller distributor sent out a truck full of cold Miller beer for us!
First filmed I worked on. Confederate Soldier. Filmed near Natchez, MS. I skipped a week of college, drove south with a couple of civil war reenacting friends. This film started opportunities for me and my friends getting hired working on film sets. No horsework for me on this film. my job was as a foot soldier behind the breastworks. The film set was very large and impressive.
TheIceman567 I'm sure scared as Hell, and from my own battlefield experiences that doesn't mean your a coward or not likly to follow lawful orders regardless of who your fighting for, however you fight for your team and take the fear and anger into your gut, then take actions you need to .
I like to hear about your great-grandfather's days in the Battle of Civil War I'm interested so you write me back and tell me all the stories about them thank you thank you sir
Few people truly appreciate the size and magnitude of the Siege of Richmond-Petetsburg (June, 1864 - April, 1865). It resulted in the final defeat of Lee's army, at a combined total cost of 70,000 casualties....
Even more staggering were the casualties during the Overland Campaign leading up to the siege-60,000 in a little over a month just on the Union side. Worse yet, no one seemed quite ready for the huge casualties and with ambulances totally filled, springless wagons used for ammunition were used going over a corduroy road which was absolute torture. They were all taken to Fredericksburg and placed on wet, bare floors in shell torn warehouses lucky to get coffee and hardtack for food.
Not quite the "final defeat" you say it was. We held on another 9 days, tryin' like hell to get west to several railroad depots including Appomattox Station, to obtain food and supplies we so desperately needed to continue the struggle. But alas, it was not to be.
@@tennesseeridgerunner5992 true Lee escapes Petersburg before Grant can complete the envelopment of the position but functionally Petersburg is the end Lee escapes with less than 40,000 troops. Grant Sherman and Thomas combined had almost 300,000 in just their three armies. The 9 days you mentioned were just a sad epilogue
@@lucassimmons3496 I agree. What I'm saying is (in fantasy world) that maybe we could have gotten to the supplies and Lee then could have disbanded his army into guerrilla bands. The same could be said of Johnston down in NC, he could have (maybe?) made it to the Blue Ridge Mtns and continued the struggle against the despot Lincoln. Tie down as many Yankee troops as possible, get them away from their favorite activities: arson and pillaging of a civilian population. Idk man, The South was in ruins- and General Lee knew it. It would have been madness to continue. So we get what we have today, yay US Federal Gov't!
@@tennesseeridgerunner5992 actually Porter Alexander and Pickett make that argument during the retreat but Lee argues at least in his writings after Appomattox “ we were beaten, let us have peace and trust the democratic process”
@TheMgallacher Yes, I met James Read before I realized he was a movie star, I thought he was a fellow reenactor. I was standing beside him as we were all getting ready to shoot a scene, which sometimes took a long time, and started making a conversation with him, not knowing that he was a cast member, he looked at me as if I was crazy for speaking to him. That sort of put me off with him. Patrick Swayze was not aloof at all, Parker Stevenson and Lewis Smith were extremely nice guys.
I just googled Parker Stevenson, to confirm the inkling that he was the one playing Billy as I am a bit rusty ... stunned to learn he was married to Kirstie Alley at the time, so you had a husband and wife playing an estranged brother and sister.
I was about 30 feet to the left of where Patrick Swayze was. Of course they didn't keep us informed on the story so we all thought that Patrick Swayze was killed off in this scene.
Old George would have been shot through the head poking it out like that. The officer that had to get survey measurements in order to calculate the distance for the mine prior to the Crater battle had to cover his head and shoulders with a burlap bag and very carefully move up slowly because the sharpshooters were constantly taking a toll on anyone not careful. I know it's Hollywood, but George and Orry constantly meeting on the battlefield is a bit of a stretch considering the hundreds of thousands of men involved.
The Tv serie has so many differences with the original book wrote for john jakes, for example this scene, Orry and George never meet in battle, anyway i enjoy the serie the same.
.44 Model 1860 Colts and Model 1858 Remingtons -- and various copies were the most common, but certainly not the only revolvers used. .36 Model 1851 Colts were favored too. All were pre-metallic cartridge era guns that fired lead balls with seperate powder charges and set primers.
Perhapse to me, one of the most grim aspects of the conflict was the decision of the generals, knowing that you're sending potentially tens of thousands of young men to their deaths...that has to weigh heavily on a man's mind.
You know maybe he was just a little more reserved or even shy, although I do understand, I just think that maybe he just not as outgoing as Patrick, Lewis or even Parker. Some people are just that way.
Did Anybody Notice the war was going on for 4 years And the Drummer boy company first sergeant Tom Did Not Age At All and Tom was 12 when he was promoted to the rank of Sergeant can you imagine if this happened in real life a twelve-year-old boy that is A Sergeant Giving orders to A man that is 35 years old
It's a good thing war is so terrible because if not we would learn to.like it. Robert E. Lee during the battle of Fredericksburg. A overwhelming Confederate Victory. Lee was looking on the hill at Mayres Heights at the thousands of dead and wounded Union Soldier's that didn't get within 50 yards of the Stonewall. Lee asked Longstreet if he could continue to hold that hill. Longstreet said a chicken couldn't live on that ground.
Fredericksburg renewed itself again on the 3rd June 1864, at Cold Harbor and it was a victory for the south that frightened the North both for results and losses.
@@Faber9722 I was taught that when the Confederates dug the trenches at Cold Harbor were the first Trenches on the American Continent. I had one person say that wasn't true. I reminded him that Earthworks and other defense systems at that time weren't Trenches. He obviously researched and got back to me saying that my information was correct. Lee said he didn't have Reserve Tropps at that time. Even though Lee beat Grant many times Lee couldn't replace men his men the way Grant could. Many of the Confederates at Cold Harbor said it was like murder. Many actually stopped firing and cried just like at Mayres Heights. The trenches prolonged the war another year in the East. It is amazing how one Confederate General in the West prolonged the war for a year. This is why Forrest is Considered the most amazing General of the War. His tiny Cavalry and infrantry captured more supplies and prisoners than any other General during the war. Stonewall Jackson also was amazing also. Those are probably the two best Generals of the war.
@@kurtsherrick2066 the fact that Robert E.Lee didn't have available troops at the time when the blue soldiers attacked him at Cold Harbor is a piece of information I had too. About the matter of numerical inferiority it was a trouble that disturbed the confederates throughout the war and that only could worsen after three years of war with the rythms, which were imposed by Grant on the enemy's forces. The true defeat was at Atlanta. When you cannot afford to risk the lives of your men because of your numerical inferiority , You cannot afford to assault well-entrenched enemy like a famous movie proves us with the scene of the station. so more than Jackson the command to Johston was more suitable than the one to Hood or Pemberton. Anyway also famous victories of the South like the seven days battle demonstrate us the useless waste of men by southerners commanders when the South was still wealthy of energies and manpower. Gettysburg was only one of the great self-slaughters of the south.it was normal that the men wept, it means they kept their human side, after all you are shooting on other human beings.
@@Faber9722 Hood Destroyed the First Army of the Tennessee. It was a mistake to take Johnson away and replace him with Hood who would fight but was sick from alcohol and Laudanum because of his pain from losing a arm and a leg. Hood was in love with a Richmond Socialite 6he had fantasies about a great Victory and coming into Richmond as a hero. Lee told Davis that Hood would be a mistake and wow he was so right. Johnson was old but he was a defensive genius. Yes he retreated often but he would set up on good ground and wait. He defeated Sherman handedly at Kennesaw Mountain. Hood made bad decisions around Atlanta and he did March from Atlanta to middle Tennessee without being detected by the Union Army. Two days before Franklin Forrest had the Union Army locked in and backed up a River. Hood ordered him away against Forrest wishes and promised Forrest he would let the Union Army move. Well he went to sleep and the Union Army Marched out at night and so close to the Confederates that some Union Soldiers got taken prisoner because they came up and tried to lite their pipes and cigars at Southern Fire sides. Then Hood sent his Army over two miles of open ground that was worse than Pickets Charge. Hood destroyed the last hope in the West for the South. It is good to have someone like you to reply to. Thanks for your reply to me.
@@kurtsherrick2066 I love so much the history of the American Civil War (whole world history but US civil war in particular) that I would not even pay attention to the likely unpoliteness of those who wouldn't agree with me, let alone the pleasure of discussing with people like you that are so well endowed with information and who brought me an anectode I didn't even know about the civil war. ( I mean the smoke-addicted soldiers who made capture themselves just to light a cigar). And think at the paradoxally arising situation, which was created by the blue-bellies troops; the victory in the west had so narrowed the space of action for johnny rebs, that northern troops had created that background , which instead was very liked and hoped by Lee and Longstreet: joining the western and eastern troops. But it was too late to accomplish something satisfying. And despite the blunders of Hood, the retrieval work of Taylor and other generals in Mississippi, who made restore and reorganize the former tennessean troops that there was a variety of numbers ranging from 11,000 troops to 16000 troops to bring back in the east in order to join them to the seaboard troops. But the mood created by the defeats had surely negatively influenced the quickness of mind of the southern generals: they were too disheartened to hope in the achievement of the only manoeuver, that would have saved the south: the junction at Danville.
That could work too. Personally, I would prefer(if we're talking WW1 era)a carbine chambered with something harder hitting at close range like a .45 ACP or .455 Webley. The advantage a pistol caliber Winchester Carbine has over a shotgun is their ammo capacity is higher(9+ over 5 in a standard shotgun)in a weapon of the same length and weight.
The Confederates deffinding the fort were from South Carolina (i better not hear anything bad words against us yanks!) just look at the flag one of the SC flags had a gold palmetto tree and the crescent moon
Billy Hazard and his men were wearing the green uniforms of Berdan's Sharpshooters, an elite unit . So why were they charging in the first wave, being used as cannon fodder?
Because sometimes you just need bodies. The US Army was also using artillery units as infantry during Petersburg. The 1st Maine Heavy Artillery has the distinction of being the artillery unit with the most loses in a single battle 67% of its 900 man force
@@erwin669 it is true but if you mean wasting bodies with "you need bodies" , there were important differences between that time and now,: it is true that now all the weapons entail a rythm of fighting that doesn't allow the luxury of paying attention to lives' waste. Everything is bloodily quick and wild more than that time. So the accidents also from friendly fire are more likely now than there were in this war, but there were battles in the civil war , in which the artillery troops ceased fire in order to avoid that the own fire damaged the troops of the same army. so there was a kind of professional military behaviour, if we can call it in this way. They were guessing that frontal attack against well -sheltered troops entailed a lot of dangers and risks but som,ebody, a side was compelled to attack and take the initiative, otherwise the deadlock like here in Petersburg would have never turned out to anything. aND THE WAR WOULD HAVE NEVER FINISHED .
@Farhan Mckinnons I believ you are right. I thought I read somewhere that by the end of the war any official “sharpshooters” simply wore the regular blue uniforms and the Berdan units were disbanded.
You are right, that's why old European commanders didn't guess the own arrogance in wasting bodies. Maybe they had not guessed the strength of the new rifled guns and weapons, but surely they thought that the man's touch was enough to prevail against the foe, that was equally well endowed with arms. Had they paid more attention to the lesson from the shores of the New World of fifty years before,maybe in Europa they would have avoided more mistakes.
Despite the numerical inferiority the South would have easily achieved the victory and the independence anyway without too much troubles ( even if sacrifices and human losses were somehow unavoidable), but often the number strength of the South has been wasted on many battlefields, where it would have been sufficient to wait for the attack of the blue-coated troops, and that happened not only at Gettysburg, but at Atlanta, in Corinth and in the Seven days battle (in spite of the important Confederate success) , Franklin and Nashville. If the Confederacy had not squandered its manpower in these battles, maybe they could have also won, but some skillful commanders have been replaced by the generals, who were liked by the President of the Confederacy from their faithfulness, but who completely lacked of military skills, strategical and tactical skills, whereas THE SOUTH COULD NOT AFFORD such mistakes in its dangerous search for independence.
@Gary Daniel I have read somewhere there were regions of the south where the food and abundance of foodstuffs didn't justify even the crime of leaving northerner prisoners starve everywhere, but the ways of communications were badly organized in that great territories: what entailed the defeat of the south was the bad leading by the generals that were loved by Jefferson davis like Hood or Pemberton, who wasted southern manpower.
@Gary Daniel the south recruited from 800.000 men to 1.400.000 , but maybe eight hundred thousand would have sufficed to win the war. But the north put onto the field almost 2,900.000 men, the numerical superiority doesn't seem so small and so little effective.
@Gary Daniel @Gary Daniel MOREOVER IT IS TRUE THAT also many northerners from sympathy towards the south ( not only the ciopperheads) or first all from health problems were excluded from the ranks of the Union Army after each draft but the waste, which had been committed by Hood at Nashville, Jonesboro, Franklin or Atlanta entailed the defeat the south and beginning of the end for the confederacy. The squander of manpower, which had been committed by Pemberton was soon made up or by the exchange of prisoners, because many confederates came back into the ranks after Vicksburg defeat, but the dead of ATlanta and tennessee campaign at the end of 1864 could not be recuperated any longer
@Gary Daniel it is useless to talk about each single fighting: sometimes you would be right ( for example at Antietam the Northerners deployed 67000 soldiers against 45000-50000 soldiers but Lee stated also 37000 southerners, but maybe the southerners were just less than 50.000 and in Chickamauga or Vicksburg they threw away superiority) sometimes maybe you would be wrong but in other cases the superiority of the North was crushing and not well employed (138000 against 65000 in Chancellersville and 120.000 against 72000 in Fredericksburg) and it is also true that the northerners had many troops in blue uniform that never partook the fightings, so a great percentage of non-combatants as a famous stistician alleged.
would a 20 gauge pump action shotgun with an 18.5 inch barrel and 2-3/4 inch number 4 24 pellet copper-plated buckshot be good for that type of combat?
I was in this movie as an Extra we were known as the Scottish Division while filming this scene we accidentally fired live ammo next thing you know both sides are firing live ammo that day the Confederate military won the war
indeed despite the crushing success of this video by the northerners the southerners managed to lengthen the agony of their capital for further twenty-four hours more or less, and to praise of this movie , the battle of Petersburg is the one which is better reenacted and that underlines the value of this series, if it is likened also with the "Gray and the blue" of four years before: that series too I liked very much. On the 2nd April the blue soldiers achieved important results but for the last time the grey-clad soldiers managed to cope with them, but it was the last time, it was a useless victory because Richmond fell on the 3rd.
He's a general, part of his job is to survey the enemy line to find the best way to attack and the progress of the battle. They carry binoculars for a reason.
Actually in real life the Confederate Army won this battle the Confederate Army also had the prussians Army and the Emperor of Russia send some troops to help the Confederacy And The Emperor of China
Yes I think so too, since they speak of Wilcox, but Ft Gregg didn't have chevaux de frise in front of it, and the ditch in front was waterfilled like the other forts. The reference to the signal gun points to the earlier actions on April 2, and sharpshooters didn't accompany the infantry against Ft Gregg, and certainly no such ladders were used. I think they mixed up a lot of stuff really, when the signal gun went off it was early morning, and dark while the attack on Gregg took place in daylight.
This is Repeating today in Baukmut Ukraine as the Russian's like the Union here- out number, out gun and have endless supplies and New recruit ALL the time! With 'feather's in their hair taking children into battle what else could be expected! Lee's army after this loss will be reduced to a 'rag tag', half starred and barefoot group that still would have fought to the last man if he asked to! Truly- history records only the Winner's point of view! Personally, I prefer battles when the odds are more even like the battles before this one- those were of interest!
Matthew Skudzienski I hope you realize that the Civil War didn't end until April 9th the Confederates did not surrender on April 2nd and fax they kept on fighting until well after Lee had surrendered the last Confederate Stenton lay down their arms until June it pays to do some research
Actually the war in the west lasted until 1866, the Texans were tearing through the union but when they heard the war was over, the fighting finally stopped
I was an extra in this scene when we filmed the movie in 1986 in Natchez Mississippi. I was on the Confederate side. Although this only lasted for a few minutes on screen, it took us days to film this. I must say that Patrick Swayze, Parker Stevenson, and Lewis Smith were some really nice folks, not snobs like you would expect movie stars to be.
I was there too. Swayze,And Parker were nice... James Read ....was an ASSHOLE. All the ladies were real nice.
Clifford Pearson jr. Interesting to hear. Was there anything in particular about James Read that made him seem like an asshole?
Awesome experience! I was an extra in Gods and Generals.
Gods and generals is my all time favorite Cival war movie probly the best ever made
Wow!
You were really an extra for North and South?
My parents both watched it when it premiered on TV....
Needless to say I ended up getting the DVD set for my Mom. 😊
I really liked how it was filmed and I thought that the actors all did an excellent job portraying their characters.
Thank you for being in this mini series.. I know that its cheesy but I'm a huge history buff. Oh and it said the date is April 2nd, 1865....that's the month and day I was born! 😉
Anyways sorry for blathering on and plausibly boring you...
Did anybody else noticed that the war was going on for four years and Tom, the drummer boy, has not aged?
Poor diet kept him small and childlike.
He wasn't even in the book. Billy remains in the engineering corps and never transfers to the sharpshooters.
Or the missing gatling guns?
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@@dpfljr I don't know whether it is true but the given the superiority of the north also from the point of view of equipment and weapons (not only of the men) and from the fear that the rebs could have captured also just few of them, pushed the northern commanders to deploy just some models along the lines on the last days, but I might be wrong.
A sort of funny story from that film, I had a old worn out pair of dingo boots that I had bought in 1972 and loaned a guy to wear for this movie. He bought some brogans and asked me what to do with the old boots. I said "Throw 'em away" which he did. A month later, back in Galveston, an old friend Jack King said "Hey, someone found your boots over at that movie set in Mississippi and sent them here to me to get them back to you." Sure enough, those old boots had my name in them!
Do you remember when during a lull in the filming someone on the Union side jumped up and shouted "Tastes Great!" then someone on the Confederate side jumped up on the breastworks and hollered "Less Filling!" (for those of you too young to remember, that was a Miller Lite Commercial) and pretty soon everyone was hollering, the Yankees hollering "Tastes Great!" and the Rebs hollering "Less Filling!" and that night the Miller distributor sent out a truck full of cold Miller beer for us!
Bumper776 lol wtf
Oh, that is fantastic! I wish I could have seen that.
Best series I've ever watched!
Books 1 and 2 for sure but not book 3. that was truly awful garbage.
First filmed I worked on. Confederate Soldier. Filmed near Natchez, MS. I skipped a week of college, drove south with a couple of civil war reenacting friends. This film started opportunities for me and my friends getting hired working on film sets. No horsework for me on this film. my job was as a foot soldier behind the breastworks. The film set was very large and impressive.
as I wrote elsewhere it is the only series in which the last battle were "deepened", to full praise of this series.
I'm going to reenact this battle tomorrow, the 23rd USCT 150th.
My Great, Great, Great Grandfather was at this battle.
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TheIceman567 I'm sure scared as Hell, and from my own battlefield experiences that doesn't mean your a coward or not likly to follow lawful orders regardless of who your fighting for, however you fight for your team and take the fear and anger into your gut, then take actions you need to .
I like to hear about your great-grandfather's days in the Battle of Civil War I'm interested so you write me back and tell me all the stories about them thank you thank you sir
Few people truly appreciate the size and magnitude of the Siege of Richmond-Petetsburg (June, 1864 - April, 1865). It resulted in the final defeat of Lee's army, at a combined total cost of 70,000 casualties....
Even more staggering were the casualties during the Overland Campaign leading up to the siege-60,000 in a little over a month just on the Union side. Worse yet, no one seemed quite ready for the huge casualties and with ambulances totally filled, springless wagons used for ammunition were used going over a corduroy road which was absolute torture. They were all taken to Fredericksburg and placed on wet, bare floors in shell torn warehouses lucky to get coffee and hardtack for food.
Not quite the "final defeat" you say it was. We held on another 9 days, tryin' like hell to get west to several railroad depots including Appomattox Station, to obtain food and supplies we so desperately needed to continue the struggle. But alas, it was not to be.
@@tennesseeridgerunner5992 true Lee escapes Petersburg before Grant can complete the envelopment of the position but functionally Petersburg is the end Lee escapes with less than 40,000 troops. Grant Sherman and Thomas combined had almost 300,000 in just their three armies. The 9 days you mentioned were just a sad epilogue
@@lucassimmons3496 I agree. What I'm saying is (in fantasy world) that maybe we could have gotten to the supplies and Lee then could have disbanded his army into guerrilla bands. The same could be said of Johnston down in NC, he could have (maybe?) made it to the Blue Ridge Mtns and continued the struggle against the despot Lincoln. Tie down as many Yankee troops as possible, get them away from their favorite activities: arson and pillaging of a civilian population. Idk man, The South was in ruins- and General Lee knew it. It would have been madness to continue. So we get what we have today, yay US Federal Gov't!
@@tennesseeridgerunner5992 actually Porter Alexander and Pickett make that argument during the retreat but Lee argues at least in his writings after Appomattox “ we were beaten, let us have peace and trust the democratic process”
Tom the drummer in the Sharpshooter regiment in the miniseries you do not see him age at all like you do in the other cast
The opening theme is magnificent
@TheMgallacher Yes, I met James Read before I realized he was a movie star, I thought he was a fellow reenactor. I was standing beside him as we were all getting ready to shoot a scene, which sometimes took a long time, and started making a conversation with him, not knowing that he was a cast member, he looked at me as if I was crazy for speaking to him. That sort of put me off with him. Patrick Swayze was not aloof at all, Parker Stevenson and Lewis Smith were extremely nice guys.
I just googled Parker Stevenson, to confirm the inkling that he was the one playing Billy as I am a bit rusty ... stunned to learn he was married to Kirstie Alley at the time, so you had a husband and wife playing an estranged brother and sister.
@Bumper776 Thank You For Sharing Your Experience!
I was about 30 feet to the left of where Patrick Swayze was. Of course they didn't keep us informed on the story so we all thought that Patrick Swayze was killed off in this scene.
Well in the book that's when Orry dies.
Old George would have been shot through the head poking it out like that. The officer that had to get survey measurements in order to calculate the distance for the mine prior to the Crater battle had to cover his head and shoulders with a burlap bag and very carefully move up slowly because the sharpshooters were constantly taking a toll on anyone not careful. I know it's Hollywood, but George and Orry constantly meeting on the battlefield is a bit of a stretch considering the hundreds of thousands of men involved.
This was a great series. Didn't miss 1.
A great series before cgi. A scene with 300 men had 300 men
Nicholas Godwin Johnston surrended to Sherman on April 26
The Tv serie has so many differences with the original book wrote for john jakes, for example this scene, Orry and George never meet in battle, anyway i enjoy the serie the same.
Thank you for your feedback. I would like more information about the film shoot and Patrick Swayze.
.44 Model 1860 Colts and Model 1858 Remingtons -- and various copies were the most common, but certainly not the only revolvers used. .36 Model 1851 Colts were favored too. All were pre-metallic cartridge era guns that fired lead balls with seperate powder charges and set primers.
Nice job on the earthworks.
@Bumper776 Wow, I Bet That Was Great! Also, You Got To Meet Patrick Swayze? That's Epic!
Did You Get To Meet James Read?
Perhapse to me, one of the most grim aspects of the conflict was the decision of the generals, knowing that you're sending potentially tens of thousands of young men to their deaths...that has to weigh heavily on a man's mind.
My great great great great grandpa was in this war he was on north’s side and he got killed
I had three ancestors that fought at Shiloh. Two for the South and one from the North. They all made it through four years of hell.
You know maybe he was just a little more reserved or even shy, although I do understand, I just think that maybe he just not as outgoing as Patrick, Lewis or even Parker. Some people are just that way.
***looks through binoculars***
"That's Patrick Swayze!"
Confederate born right born In Moro Bottom Arkansas I know one day folks we will meet the blue coats again
Did Anybody Notice the war was going on for 4 years And the Drummer boy company first sergeant Tom Did Not Age At All and Tom was 12 when he was promoted to the rank of Sergeant can you imagine if this happened in real life a twelve-year-old boy that is A Sergeant Giving orders to A man that is 35 years old
It's a good thing war is so terrible because if not we would learn to.like it. Robert E. Lee during the battle of Fredericksburg. A overwhelming Confederate Victory. Lee was looking on the hill at Mayres Heights at the thousands of dead and wounded Union Soldier's that didn't get within 50 yards of the Stonewall. Lee asked Longstreet if he could continue to hold that hill. Longstreet said a chicken couldn't live on that ground.
Fredericksburg renewed itself again on the 3rd June 1864, at Cold Harbor and it was a victory for the south that frightened the North both for results and losses.
@@Faber9722 I was taught that when the Confederates dug the trenches at Cold Harbor were the first Trenches on the American Continent. I had one person say that wasn't true. I reminded him that Earthworks and other defense systems at that time weren't Trenches. He obviously researched and got back to me saying that my information was correct. Lee said he didn't have Reserve Tropps at that time. Even though Lee beat Grant many times Lee couldn't replace men his men the way Grant could. Many of the Confederates at Cold Harbor said it was like murder. Many actually stopped firing and cried just like at Mayres Heights. The trenches prolonged the war another year in the East. It is amazing how one Confederate General in the West prolonged the war for a year. This is why Forrest is Considered the most amazing General of the War. His tiny Cavalry and infrantry captured more supplies and prisoners than any other General during the war. Stonewall Jackson also was amazing also. Those are probably the two best Generals of the war.
@@kurtsherrick2066 the fact that Robert E.Lee didn't have available troops at the time when the blue soldiers attacked him at Cold Harbor is a piece of information I had too. About the matter of numerical inferiority it was a trouble that disturbed the confederates throughout the war and that only could worsen after three years of war with the rythms, which were imposed by Grant on the enemy's forces. The true defeat was at Atlanta. When you cannot afford to risk the lives of your men because of your numerical inferiority , You cannot afford to assault well-entrenched enemy like a famous movie proves us with the scene of the station. so more than Jackson the command to Johston was more suitable than the one to Hood or Pemberton. Anyway also famous victories of the South like the seven days battle demonstrate us the useless waste of men by southerners commanders when the South was still wealthy of energies and manpower. Gettysburg was only one of the great self-slaughters of the south.it was normal that the men wept, it means they kept their human side, after all you are shooting on other human beings.
@@Faber9722 Hood Destroyed the First Army of the Tennessee. It was a mistake to take Johnson away and replace him with Hood who would fight but was sick from alcohol and Laudanum because of his pain from losing a arm and a leg. Hood was in love with a Richmond Socialite 6he had fantasies about a great Victory and coming into Richmond as a hero. Lee told Davis that Hood would be a mistake and wow he was so right. Johnson was old but he was a defensive genius. Yes he retreated often but he would set up on good ground and wait. He defeated Sherman handedly at Kennesaw Mountain. Hood made bad decisions around Atlanta and he did March from Atlanta to middle Tennessee without being detected by the Union Army. Two days before Franklin Forrest had the Union Army locked in and backed up a River. Hood ordered him away against Forrest wishes and promised Forrest he would let the Union Army move. Well he went to sleep and the Union Army Marched out at night and so close to the Confederates that some Union Soldiers got taken prisoner because they came up and tried to lite their pipes and cigars at Southern Fire sides. Then Hood sent his Army over two miles of open ground that was worse than Pickets Charge. Hood destroyed the last hope in the West for the South. It is good to have someone like you to reply to. Thanks for your reply to me.
@@kurtsherrick2066 I love so much the history of the American Civil War (whole world history but US civil war in particular) that I would not even pay attention to the likely unpoliteness of those who wouldn't agree with me, let alone the pleasure of discussing with people like you that are so well endowed with information and who brought me an anectode I didn't even know about the civil war. ( I mean the smoke-addicted soldiers who made capture themselves just to light a cigar). And think at the paradoxally arising situation, which was created by the blue-bellies troops; the victory in the west had so narrowed the space of action for johnny rebs, that northern troops had created that background , which instead was very liked and hoped by Lee and Longstreet: joining the western and eastern troops. But it was too late to accomplish something satisfying. And despite the blunders of Hood, the retrieval work of Taylor and other generals in Mississippi, who made restore and reorganize the former tennessean troops that there was a variety of numbers ranging from 11,000 troops to 16000 troops to bring back in the east in order to join them to the seaboard troops. But the mood created by the defeats had surely negatively influenced the quickness of mind of the southern generals: they were too disheartened to hope in the achievement of the only manoeuver, that would have saved the south: the junction at Danville.
That could work too. Personally, I would prefer(if we're talking WW1 era)a carbine chambered with something harder hitting at close range like a .45 ACP or .455 Webley. The advantage a pistol caliber Winchester Carbine has over a shotgun is their ammo capacity is higher(9+ over 5 in a standard shotgun)in a weapon of the same length and weight.
The Confederates deffinding the fort were from South Carolina (i better not hear anything bad words against us yanks!) just look at the flag one of the SC flags had a gold palmetto tree and the crescent moon
Lol yankee
Yes yes.
I remember the group yells. Not the beer truck though, but oh well. What an amazing set. Were you Fed or Reb?
This should be in HD.
0:24 160 years before the it's always sunny meme with Mac and Charlie there was this...
Billy Hazard and his men were wearing the green uniforms of Berdan's Sharpshooters, an elite unit .
So why were they charging in the first wave, being used as cannon fodder?
Why would they charge with a drummer boy?
Because sometimes you just need bodies. The US Army was also using artillery units as infantry during Petersburg. The 1st Maine Heavy Artillery has the distinction of being the artillery unit with the most loses in a single battle 67% of its 900 man force
@@erwin669 it is true but if you mean wasting bodies with "you need bodies" , there were important differences between that time and now,: it is true that now all the weapons entail a rythm of fighting that doesn't allow the luxury of paying attention to lives' waste. Everything is bloodily quick and wild more than that time. So the accidents also from friendly fire are more likely now than there were in this war, but there were battles in the civil war , in which the artillery troops ceased fire in order to avoid that the own fire damaged the troops of the same army. so there was a kind of professional military behaviour, if we can call it in this way. They were guessing that frontal attack against well -sheltered troops entailed a lot of dangers and risks but som,ebody, a side was compelled to attack and take the initiative, otherwise the deadlock like here in Petersburg would have never turned out to anything. aND THE WAR WOULD HAVE NEVER FINISHED .
Also the Sharpshooters were disbanded at that point.
@Farhan Mckinnons I believ you are right. I thought I read somewhere that by the end of the war any official “sharpshooters” simply wore the regular blue uniforms and the Berdan units were disbanded.
Patrick Swayze was in this. He must have done his dirty dancing on Washington Street
Wright's VI Corps had the initial breakthrough.
you sure this is Fredricksburg? Cause it feels more like something from the Siege of Petersburg.
It is.
Check the name of the video.
wtf?it;s petersburg not fredricksburg!just learn now how to read!
It's the P Town
This reminds me of British advancing during battle of Somme
You are right, that's why old European commanders didn't guess the own arrogance in wasting bodies. Maybe they had not guessed the strength of the new rifled guns and weapons, but surely they thought that the man's touch was enough to prevail against the foe, that was equally well endowed with arms. Had they paid more attention to the lesson from the shores of the New World of fifty years before,maybe in Europa they would have avoided more mistakes.
The North had the resources and the numbers whiles the South had the bravery and heart.
Despite the numerical inferiority the South would have easily achieved the victory and the independence anyway without too much troubles ( even if sacrifices and human losses were somehow unavoidable), but often the number strength of the South has been wasted on many battlefields, where it would have been sufficient to wait for the attack of the blue-coated troops, and that happened not only at Gettysburg, but at Atlanta, in Corinth and in the Seven days battle (in spite of the important Confederate success) , Franklin and Nashville. If the Confederacy had not squandered its manpower in these battles, maybe they could have also won, but some skillful commanders have been replaced by the generals, who were liked by the President of the Confederacy from their faithfulness, but who completely lacked of military skills, strategical and tactical skills, whereas THE SOUTH COULD NOT AFFORD such mistakes in its dangerous search for independence.
@Gary Daniel I have read somewhere there were regions of the south where the food and abundance of foodstuffs didn't justify even the crime of leaving northerner prisoners starve everywhere, but the ways of communications were badly organized in that great territories: what entailed the defeat of the south was the bad leading by the generals that were loved by Jefferson davis like Hood or Pemberton, who wasted southern manpower.
@Gary Daniel the south recruited from 800.000 men to 1.400.000 , but maybe eight hundred thousand would have sufficed to win the war. But the north put onto the field almost 2,900.000 men, the numerical superiority doesn't seem so small and so little effective.
@Gary Daniel @Gary Daniel MOREOVER IT IS TRUE THAT also many northerners from sympathy towards the south ( not only the ciopperheads) or first all from health problems were excluded from the ranks of the Union Army after each draft but the waste, which had been committed by Hood at Nashville, Jonesboro, Franklin or Atlanta entailed the defeat the south and beginning of the end for the confederacy. The squander of manpower, which had been committed by Pemberton was soon made up or by the exchange of prisoners, because many confederates came back into the ranks after Vicksburg defeat, but the dead of ATlanta and tennessee campaign at the end of 1864 could not be recuperated any longer
@Gary Daniel it is useless to talk about each single fighting: sometimes you would be right ( for example at Antietam the Northerners deployed 67000 soldiers against 45000-50000 soldiers but Lee stated also 37000 southerners, but maybe the southerners were just less than 50.000 and in Chickamauga or Vicksburg they threw away superiority) sometimes maybe you would be wrong but in other cases the superiority of the North was crushing and not well employed (138000 against 65000 in Chancellersville and 120.000 against 72000 in Fredericksburg) and it is also true that the northerners had many troops in blue uniform that never partook the fightings, so a great percentage of non-combatants as a famous stistician alleged.
2019?
would a 20 gauge pump action shotgun with an 18.5 inch barrel and 2-3/4 inch number 4 24 pellet copper-plated buckshot be good for that type of combat?
I was in this movie as an Extra we were known as the Scottish Division while filming this scene we accidentally fired live ammo next thing you know both sides are firing live ammo that day the Confederate military won the war
where are you in that scene
Note at 4:14 the flag he's waving changes twice...
would a 12 gauge pump shotgun with 2-3/4 inch 1 oz t shot be good for that type of combat?
@AUG351 I would like to see that movie
@TheDevilToPay1863 Sure we started this mess, union troops were in our country
240p, that video is truly from the civil war
Priest always got me.
Great war series
George was never particularly convincing in a military role during the civil war
I was an extra in the scene also
Really? North or South??
Did you get to meet James Read or Patrick Swayze??
Soon as you got within 100 feet or closer to the enemy. Which is why Americans used them in WW1.
I didn't like this part... friends fighting each other..
The battle ended in March though
No it was over by April 3, attack on Fort Steadman ended in March, this is the breakthrough battle.
indeed despite the crushing success of this video by the northerners the southerners managed to lengthen the agony of their capital for further twenty-four hours more or less, and to praise of this movie , the battle of Petersburg is the one which is better reenacted and that underlines the value of this series, if it is likened also with the "Gray and the blue" of four years before: that series too I liked very much. On the 2nd April the blue soldiers achieved important results but for the last time the grey-clad soldiers managed to cope with them, but it was the last time, it was a useless victory because Richmond fell on the 3rd.
Orry
Except in the book, George was only a Major, and did not see a lot of combat action.
And Orry was a Colonel
Farhan Mckinnons
That’s correct. And in the book Orry did not survive the war.
@@lawrencewright2816 Yeah unfortunately
@@lawrencewright2816 As much as I enjoy the books I prefer the miniseries. What about you?
@@robertisham5279
The books.
i wonder what the confederate earthworks in this is braced on
Fort Mahone? Fort Gregg?
Sure looks like Fort Gregg. April 2, 1865 from the books I've read.
@@flash275 I think it is fort Greg
Bad quality! If I wanted to watch it like this, I would have left my glasses off.
infinitecanadian its because the movie is old
And to think that kind of charge was STILL "modern" in WW1 ???!!!
And they waited for land mines to be builted in japan"s Land??
@@randyhatesblackpeoplesalin3129 Japan's land?
@@Fenris77 in a jet air force movie of owen wilson one of his enemies was caught in a land mine bomb in their countries land
@@randyhatesblackpeoplesalin3129 Okay...
WTF! Holy F!
That guy who stuck his head up from his trench with binoculars never heard of " snipers " ??? 🤔 .
He's a general, part of his job is to survey the enemy line to find the best way to attack and the progress of the battle. They carry binoculars for a reason.
@@randomtraveler9854 rather him than me lol 🙂👋
@@michaelharris2002 😂
@@randomtraveler9854 😂👋👍
what about a .30-30 lever-action carbine?
What about a nuc
USA, USA, USA!!!!
I loved how the United States prevailed over the damned confederates in this battle scene 🇺🇸
God bless the Confederate States of America
Actually in real life the Confederate Army won this battle the Confederate Army also had the prussians Army and the Emperor of Russia send some troops to help the Confederacy And The Emperor of China
This looks like the battle of Fort Gregg
Yes I think so too, since they speak of Wilcox, but Ft Gregg didn't have chevaux de frise in front of it, and the ditch in front was waterfilled like the other forts. The reference to the signal gun points to the earlier actions on April 2, and sharpshooters didn't accompany the infantry against Ft Gregg, and certainly no such ladders were used. I think they mixed up a lot of stuff really, when the signal gun went off it was early morning, and dark while the attack on Gregg took place in daylight.
It wasnt unsual to have boy soldiers even thou the youngest to die was 13 years old.
haha I cant believe they messed that up
Maybe that´s why the media don´t write about such actors as much!
eweriones gangst until Orry showe up on binoculare wision
Battle of FARB creek
Flag changes 4:13 - 4:17.
Haha.
North one point north vs south halo ha.
This is Repeating today in Baukmut Ukraine as the Russian's like the Union here- out number, out gun and have endless supplies and New recruit ALL the time!
With 'feather's in their hair taking children into battle what else could be expected! Lee's army after this loss will be reduced to a 'rag tag', half starred and barefoot group that still would have fought to the last man if he asked to! Truly- history records only the Winner's point of view!
Personally, I prefer battles when the odds are more even like the battles before this one- those were of interest!
my great grand father was with the pennsylvanians
westpoint Snell Mine was with The Pennsylvanias To!
April 2nd 1865 the American Civil War is Over which means the Confederates surrenders and the Union Army had won the war and also the north had won.
Matthew Skudzienski I hope you realize that the Civil War didn't end until April 9th the Confederates did not surrender on April 2nd and fax they kept on fighting until well after Lee had surrendered the last Confederate Stenton lay down their arms until June it pays to do some research
Actually the war in the west lasted until 1866, the Texans were tearing through the union but when they heard the war was over, the fighting finally stopped
Civil War uniform and equipment, the war ended in 65, but the fighting stopped in 66
Awful and so sad.
The North had more men, but we had better aim.
Bonjour quel massacre
They shouldve showed the crater when the rebels commited war crimes killing unarmed p.o.w.'s
It was beautiful to see those rebs get beat!
Yeah you lost 450,000 casualties doing it though you dim wit. All because of Sorry ass Lincoln.
You Yankee Doodle blue bellies got your asses kicked, the only reason you "won" is because Lee surrendered the whole army
Yeah... Now you've got the mess we're in now you dim wit. Real beautiful.
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@@johannschmidt3389 which was a coward move