He's A TROLL?!? | House Of The Dragon Ep 2x6 Reaction & Review | HBO Max & Crave
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Addam didn't claim Seasmoke, Seasmoke claimed him😭😭
Dragon Distribution System at work.
Course its his brothers former dragon
@@dubsonly Because Seasmoke likes him*
Seasmoke was cool until the knight said something like “I’ve done it” (tamed a dragon) which seemed to change Seasmoke’s demeanor right before he let the fire loose. Like SS didn’t appreciate that hubris?
I feel Seasmoke wanted a bond like he had with Laenor. Laenor adored Seasmoke and treated him as a war buddy, his best friend he could feel completely free with rather than an animal to dominate. Ser Steffon approached Seasmoke as something he needed to conquer for his queen. It could be Steffon's hubris in thinking he'd won, but it could also be that in the crucial moment where Steffon should have been completely focused on bonding with his new dragon he only thought of his bond to Rhaenyra. Not only did he not love Seasmoke, he didn't even _care_ about him. He saw him as a tool to use, a weapon of war and nothing else.
Thus Seasmoke went to find his own rider, a guy he'd been sniffing around for years who was playful, competitive and sensitive like Laenor. Not some staid, humourless, all-about-the-duty knight, but someone who would return Seasmoke's devotion and be fun to hang out with. And Seasmoke made sure he had Addam's _full_ focus and attention for their bonding! XD
He celebrated too early, should've just immediately hopped on the saddle
Yeah. “You didn’t do a goddamn thing except for what I allowed you to. NEXT!”
@tablesalt2628 It's not about hesitancy - Addam was doing his best to run away. Seasmoke either didn't like the hubris or he was intentionally trying to lure Steffon away from the Dragonkeepers.
Seasmoke is that girl you crushed on in high school who got bored waiting for you to ask her to prom.
In the books, Daenerys did not have a sexual relationship with missandai. She was involved with Irri, an adult slave
Seasmoke to Addam is a mix of: *You're being adopted, Please do not resist & GET IN LOOSER WE'RE GOING SHOPPING!*
The best part.
“I like you, please cooperate!”
Seasmoke certainly appears to be a "cheeky" one. Like that whole scene with Darklyn queensguard, how he was like "yeah, sure, here is a saddle, right, cmon, chop chop, aww you're dragonrider now, you've done it, dude" before burning him alive. And then went "you're going to bring me dragonrider? nah, screw this, I'm going to get myself one on my own"
I know people sort of disliked Daemon's story in Harrenhal, but I love everything about it. It is some weird sh*t dream sequences, it is exploration of Daemon's character and his exploration of his character (and not just presentation as sort of badass dragonrider), his better understanding of himself and how the world works in general (what rulership and decision making on your own is).
Hugh Hammer is that guy's name. The one in the bar scene is Ulf White, which, as he mentioned in a previous episode that he's the son of a bastard brother of Daemon and Viserys. Daeron apparently has a dragon already
Valeryons and targaryens in old valayria intermarried all the time as said by Corlyis in s1ep2 when proposing marriage. And as young layna said in her speech to viserys
They only started to intermary affter the doom when the Targs realized that there where no other surviving valeryan households with that (chimeric/slave /blood-magic) bond to dragons.
I mean why would one of the 40 dragon bonded households mary semi successful merchants like the valaryons if not out of desperation.
@@oga-booga Thats true until the doom. But the doom of Valyria happens 114 years before Aegon the Conqueror was born so the Targaryens and Velaryons already intermarried one century before they went to conquer Westeros. In fact Aegon, Visenya and Rhaenys mother was Valaena Velaryon. Some Targaryen women up in the family tree between Aenar and Aegon the Conqueror married into the Velaryons as well.
So Corlys has some distant Targaryen ancestor in him.
So far I have seen just about every reactor hate the greens, but are very protective of Queen Helaena at the same time. It shows how likable and interesting they’ve made her character.
I feel it's that she's just done nothing annoying or shitty and has only been shit on. Her character is almost non-existent, it's her situation that is what people feel bad for.
Its not that hard when you have 5 minutes of screen time and 2 minutes of it was your child being beheaded in front of you. Ofcourse the characters we've had more time with have more time to make us hate them.
Bruh they are teasing Daeron so hard I can't.. Wouldn't be surprised if they actually show him by the end of episode 8 in an post credit scene together with Tessarion, Otto and Ormund in Oldtown 😬(Yeah i know they didn't even cast the actor for him yet but maybe HBO really fooled us all this time)
Alys's Owl could be a warg that died and went into an owl before. I like Alyn and Addam and I hope Corlys realizes he needs them both regardless of their Bastardy. The dragon in the veil is either Sheepstealer or The Cannibal.
“He’s a troll!” 😂😂 I couldn’t stop laughing. Too funny!
There’s a difference between being a Valyrian and being a Dragon Lord, the only surviving Dragon Lords are the Targaryens whilst many other Valyrians still exist like the Velaryons, Celtigar, and possibly the Daynes
Pretty sure the Daynes originally come from the Great Empire of the Dawn, but so do most ancient Valyrian houses, so there's likely a connection in that sense, them having a common ancestor
House Dayne is definitely not a Valyrian house. They claim to be descendents of the First Men and have been in Westeros for thousands of years.
Daynes are 100% not a Valyrian House. They have Valyrian blood during GOT era because Targaryens married Daynes after Dorne got into the Realm.
You don’t need Targaryen blood to claim a dragon you need the blood of old Valyria, Targaryens chose to claim dragons in Valyria that doesn’t mean that Valaryons couldn’t they chose not to, Steve Toussaint Corlys and Abubakar Salim have both spoken about the lineage of house valaryon and what they have maid canon between the books and the show and Ryan J. Condal the show creator confirmed it in an interview for HuffPost.
@NapolianDynamite-lr4hg You need more than having Valyrian blood, you need to have recent ancestry from a Dragonlord house, and the only surviving Dragonlord house are tge Targaryens. It is the pragmatic reason why the Targaryens practice incest
Remember in GoT Jaime was the lion of Lannister. That is the animal that represents their house just like Sansa and Arya had wolves
For some scenes they added hairpieces to Olivia's hair to make it more voluminous. She stated so herself in an interview even before season 1. She joked about it with Rhys Ivans.
Okay so I actually checked this, and Corlys has an unknown mother and grandmother (either must have been a Targaryen or of recent Targaryen descent) which means that since Addam got claimed by Seasmoke, both Robbert Baratheon as well as any of his bastards could have claimed a dragon had they been arround.
This has been eddited thanks to @Zaja2418 for pointing something out to me.
You are talking about the books or the show? There is no evidence whatsover in the books that Corlys had a Targaryen grandmother. In fact, there is no Targaryen lady avaliable during this time period who could have been his grandmother.
@@zaja2418 Yeah I looked a bit deeper and you are correct. Though show wise it is really confusing, since Corlys must have Targaryen blood in him for Addam to claim Seasmoke, but as far as I can see not even his grandmother's grandmother was a Targaryen. I do know that he has an unknown mother as well as an unknown grandmother. So I asumed his grandmother must have been a Targaryen.
@@edwinvanooijen7749 To be fair, mate, it's possible (although not confirmed) that Daemon Velaryon (Corlys' great-great-grandfather) was the brother of Valaena Velaryon, who not only was the mother of Aegon the Conqueror, but also half-Targaryen herself.
So there you have it: it's possible, although unconfirmed, that Corlys is the great-great-great-grandson of a Targaryen lady who married a Velaryon lord.
Cheers.
I kind of love how Rhaenyra is always seen finding physical comfort with people every time she feels abandoned by Daemon. She gets with Criston after Daemon leaves her in the brothel, with Harwin after Daemon leaves her at her wedding (and she later blames him for it on his face), and now with Mysaria after she feels abandoned by him all over again. There's a pattern to it. Mysaria is similar to that too, the way she tells Rhaneyra exactly what she wanted/needed to hear: she was complaining about Daemon refusing to be "possessed by her" and Mysaria immediately follows up by "submitting" to her, calling her the rightful queen. It's the exact same thing she does with Daemon in episode 1 at the brothel, when he was sulking about the succession and Mysaria tells him "you're Daemon Targaryen, rider of Caraxes and wielder of Dark Sister, the king cannot replace you". There's an interesting dynamic that ties all these three characters together, I'd say.
Great catch! That’s why I am surprised that everyone focused on kiss but no one suspicious about Mysaria’s motives. For last episodes she says everything queen wants to hear. She found a soft spot there. See what will come out of this.
That's a good catch. Not to mention Mysaria mentioned the story of her father and then started kissing Rhaenyra who tried to comfort her.
@@Tooba-K123 if they don’t develop it in got first seasons way because all women should be good I will be disappointed.
Seasmoke is the only character who just gets shit done no hesitation Haha
Seasmoke chose a new rider who shared blood with Laenor after being abandoned for many years. There's no reason to think Laenor is dead. Idc what the books say. Seasmoke making that decision instead of being claimed is enough for me.
Velaryons themselves are not dragon riders. Their family was not one of dragonlords in old Valyria. But at this point in time they married so many Targaryens that the blood of the dragon runs in their veins as well (Corlys own mother was sister to King Jahaerys)
Velaryons and Targaryens are both blood of old Valyria. Besides this, the two houses intermarried alottt before and after the conquest. The blood of the two houses are so mixed they're virtually the same lol. Aegon I Targaryen's own mother was a Velaryon. So it's totally makes sense Corlys' sons can ride dragons.
4:25 only blood of 40 family and Targaryen's are the only ones who survived the doom so not all Valyrians can claim dragon in fact GRRM himself in an interview had been asked did regular Valyrians (Velaryons, Celtigars and other thousands of noble houses and slaves etc) practice incest and GRRM answered no he said regular people of Valyria didnt had reason to practice incest
Alyn is the older, with the shaved head and Addam is the younger. Both are easily my favorite characters in The Dance Of Dragons, even IF Alyn Velaryon canonically gets a LOT more glory about two generations after the Dance.
You don’t need Targaryen Blood to claim a dragon if you’re Valyrian and have Valyrian blood you can claim a dragon, before the doom of Valyria dragon riders were referred to as the blood of Velyria the only reason people associate Targaryens directly with dragons is because they wore the first to leave Valyria with dragons after the doom, Corleys married in to the family with Rhaenys and doesn’t have any direct Targaryen ancestors nether do Alyn or Adam, Steve Toussaint Corly and Abubakar Salim Alyn have both spoken about it, it was also confirmed in an interview by the show creator Ryan J. Condal.
This is a stupid retcon. If this were true, half of essos could claim a dragon.
You can litteraly just sail a ship over pic up 100 of the millions of people with valeryan ancestors and bam dragon rider.
This removes all the mystic coolnes of the 40 dragon owning houses.
@@oga-booga Well no LOL because living in Valyria doesn’t give you the blood of old Velyria there were lots of family’s who lived in old Valyria before the doom, that doesn’t mean they have the blood of old Valyria lol
@@oga-booga You don’t need Targaryen blood to claim a dragon you need the blood of old Valyria, Targaryens chose to claim dragons in Valyria that doesn’t mean that Valaryons couldn’t they chose not to, Steve Toussaint Corlys and Abubakar Salim have both spoken about the lineage of house valaryon and what they have maid canon between the books and the show and Ryan J. Condal the show creator confirmed it in an interview for HuffPost.
The blood of old Valyria is what gives the traits of white hair, pale skin and purple eyes in the books Targaryens have the blood of old Valyria and Velaryons are referred to as most mythical so they inbred to keep the traits in there line.
Living in or being from Valyria doesn’t mean you have the blood of old Valyria so no not every family in Valyria befor the doom could claim a dragon but the blood of old Valyria is what gives the Targaryens the power to claim dragons not the other way around.
Velaryons were also included in Targaryen breeding and it’s also said in the book that the only house they consistently had relations with were house Velaryon because the traits came from them.
It’s also confirmed by the show creator and is why they specifically chose house velaryon to diversify, changing the thing that maid them so unique from purple eyes and white hair to dark skin and pale hair.
@@oga-booga lol Valyrian blood mages are literally the ones that created, bonded there blood with, tamed and rid dragons it also the reason the only language dragons understand is HIGH VALYRIAN 🥴haha
*WOAH NERDY* it’s definitely Daenerys and her handmaid Irri. She’s the one who teaches her how to “ride” in Season 1.
I love the fact that sea smoke says 30:54 hell no I’m picking my own rider. He has been stalking Adam for like weeks we’ve seen him fly over him on the beach multiple times now he’s just decided he’s claiming Adam no matter what.
In the books, Lainore died at driftmark. It wasn’t a set up like the show. Now that we have sea smoke claiming Adam, we can assume laenor died overseas where he went. It was much clearer in the books than it is in the show. But since you can’t claim a dragon that has a rider we have to assume. Somehow he died overseas, even though we didn’t see it on the show.
24:49 I kinda don’t like how people make fun of or laugh at Alicent “failure” as a mother she was a 15 year old girl force by her own father to marry a much older man and birth his children and no one cared to ask her if that’s what she wanted, of course she is not going to be the best and most nurturing mother considering the circumstances of how and why her children were conceived but I believe she loves them she just doesn’t know how to show them affection
Daenerys adn Missandei don't have sex in the books, is a Dothraki servant, Missandei is 9😅
Dany had a relationship not with Missandai, but Iri! Her partner when she was with kal drogo and the kalassar
You are the smartest guy so far who figured out the consequences of giving your dragon to a passersby.
Reneyra will learn that the hardest way.
Alys Rivers has become one of my favorite characters, she's so oddly arrogant and mysterious. The very first time I saw her, she just walks in, glaring at everybody while they are all bending the knee to Daemon. She treats Daemon Targaryen like he's a wayward child and walks around like she owns Harrenhal Castle. No one ever confronts her about anything, plus she can control owls. Is Alys Rivers even her real name, who or what is she, in reality?
stopppp i thought of hamilton when corlys said that too 😭😭😭
Is it just me or does anyone else think that Seasmoke looks a lot like Drogon?
You're not alone in that lol
It's funny how Viserys gets 0 blame for Aegon and Aemond
Well he half dead most of his life with them but also it's not like he's actively teaching his kids to hate Rhaes kids so obviously Vis is out of the equation in this one since we're only talking about the active parent.
Otto at an all-inclusive 😭
Loved your reactions in this episode, it was mines too, I found that this episode was interesting, can't wait to see Seasmoke's rider Addam having a conversation with Rheanyra
Targaryens are the only dragonlord family in current time. But velaryons indeed got Targaryen blood from the very first beginning. Rhaenys is not the first targaryen who married in. It's very uncommon for a velaryon to claim a dragon but not Impossible. And in the books the mother of alyn and adam claims laenor being the father.
Daemon is getting his therapy (against his will) AS HE SHOULD!
Daemon's arc has been my favorite part of the season. The Weirwood dreams and Alys are a delight. Daemon isn't doing what people want him to be doing, so they complain. Chill, he'll be acting like a badass eventually. Let him have some damn character development first. He needs it.
Everyone in the castle can see Alys, but they never look her in the eye or talk to her because they are all afraid of her. She pretty much owns Harrenhal Castle.
People keep saying it's too slow and I disagree. The best seasons of GoT were a slow burn and this is no different. Much prefer they slow down and explore the many different relationships like they have done.
Don’t understand the joke, but still appreciate the transformation into a German DJ at an EDM festival
If you like musicals, it's from 6ix 😊
So Alicent is a terrible mother. And I feel like she promoted her son's claim in an effort to stay close to power herself. So I feel some justice in Aemund's expelling her.
Seasmoke: Ride me dammit!
The blood of old Valyria is what gives the traits of white hair, pale skin and purple eyes in the books, Targaryens have the blood of old Valyria and Velaryons are referred to as most mythical so Targaryens inbred to keep the traits in there line.
Living in or being from Valyria doesn’t mean you have the blood of old Valyria so no not every family in Valyria befor the doom could claim a dragon but the blood of old Valyria is what gives the Targaryens the power to claim dragons not the other way around.
Velaryons were also included in Targaryen breeding and it’s also said in the book that the only house they consistently had relations with were house Velaryon because the traits came from them.
It’s also confirmed by the show creator and is why they specifically chose house velaryon to diversify, changing the thing that maid them so unique from purple eyes and white hair to dark skin and pale hair.
there is nothing anywhere that says a rider has to die to sever a dragon bond, thats just fandom speculation and assumption, the bond is nebulous at best in explanation, even in the books
Damn Seasmoke really went "✊🏿For Us By Us"
Episode SIX, nice
I have mixed feelings on Rhaena being rolled into the Nettles character as hinted at with the burned sheep in the Vale. I was so looking forward to her pink dragon Morning. But once I didn't see a corresponding egg in the chest before she left, I had a feeling they were changing her character arc.
yeah so dissapointed also very confused because what are they gonna do to Daemon's whole thing with Nettles. Aint no way Daemon does that with his daughter lmao
@govinddas7876 my concern exactly 🤣
@@govinddas7876 I mean, it's not clear if Daemon was lovers or a father figure to Nettles. Rhaena was the daughter he ignored, so Daemon trying to be a good father, what with how much Laena's been prodding him over it in visions, makes sense, once she gets a Dragon and he can accept her as "his daughter"
@@theshadowling1 yeah but Rhaenyra's decision with Nettles also need to make sense. It seems unlikely with how she is in the show that she would even believe the rumors. Its just unnecessary I think, like just have both characters its not that hard.
The music during the kiss is all you need to know about how this is going to go. Its ominous and it makes it plainly clear Rhaenyra is making a mistake. Again.
Exactly. If you're ever in doubt, Ramin clues you in. And he's letting us know this may have been an understandable moment but it's not wise.
I feel like Mysaria is playing her own game. Using sex as a means to get what she wants is not new to her.
I got the impression that Mysaria was being genuine in that moment, but Ramin was letting us know that this is going to lead to some dire consequences down the road, and having read the books I think I know how they're going to go about this. And I like it!
I mean, you don't really need the music. It's still a game of thrones/westeros romance. We know it won't end well
@@donalocribin3355 In my opinion the only good thing that could come from this is that while Daemon will be fully loyal to Rhaenyra it will be as his niece and queen not his wife and instead of spending most of season 3 fighting with Mysaria over Rhaenyra he will spend most of his time with his daughters.
Lol fellow Canadian here 😂 love from Toronto ❤
seasmock has a type. he was like im gonna go find me one that looks as much like leanor as possible and claim them before these people keep bringing me blind dates. and yes I think adam would want to fight for fheanyra because he wants the love and attention of his father, who is her hand. the food thing was so smart. and that scene with the people going after the queens was scary. i really liked the scene with aegon and larys. so well done. I'm mad that this episode has the worst score of all of them because of the last scene. people are awful. i hope that rheana claims that wild dragon near her. i assume that daemon dying, were it to happen this season, would be a finale sort of deal. go out for the season on a big fight or something. they could push it to next season though. that'd be annoying. like show people arriving at harrenhall and then cut for the season.
I understood that reference.
Either Laenor is dead or dragon riding is subscription based.
I don't think Seasmoke tricked the knight. I think he could have ridden seasmoke. I think he made the mistake of changing his behavior. The belief that he had made it triggered Seasmoke. A sudden emotional swing that the dragon perceived as negative. Seasmoke was eager to find a new rider. He was restless the whole time. And because the knight was wrong for him, Seasmoke had had enough and said to himself, "I'll just look for one myself".
If the man with his sick child is a dragon rider too, then Rhaenyra will have a big problem if he fights at her side. Because as it turns out here, he knocks down another of his kind to get what he wants, for his own benefit. Typical traitor material. If such a person fights at Rhaenyra's side and gets a better offer at some point, he will betray her. I don't think anything in this show happens to be shown the way it's shown. We should see that this man lets others jump over the blade to get what he wants.
It doesn't matter if Aegon becomes capable of govern again, he can't do anything against Aemond, because he needs him on his dragon. To protect the city and win the war. I don't understand how anyone can feel sorry for Aegon. He got what he deserved. He is a bully, a child rapist and let children fight each other in pits.
And since you are constantly condemning Alicent as a mother, you have of course missed the fact that Allicent was a shield for Helena. She has stood protectively in front of her. Has it ever occurred to you that Alicent might find it difficult to feel love for her sons? Possibly because she never wanted to have sex with the king. Which was nothing more than rape. Prostituted by her father to the king, she had to let herself be raped by him for years and then gave birth to these sons. Done her duty. She has never experienced true love. Her first time was an old man. It is a miracle that she feels love for one of her children and that is certainly because Helena is not a man. Then you let yourself be raped for years and then such psychopaths come out of it, who also hate each other. Add to that the influence of Otto and Cole as their role models, Alicent didn't really have much influence either. Alicent did what she could.
6:40 she is not targarian!
Why does he laugh at everything?
33:43 bahahhahahahaha
Targaryens are not fireproof. Laena died from fire and Daemon has burn scars. GRRM was very clear that Dany survived Drogo's funeral pyre through magic. Her surviving fire a 2nd time in s6 was a show invention that caused this confusion.
I can see what the writers are going for in the Riverlander scenes but its so damn slow! Its also hard to believe the Daemon that cut Vaemond Velaryon's head in half without a second thought, would take so much lip from them. More like:
DAEMON(whips out Dark Sister):Time for some new River Lords!(cuts the whole lot of them down!)
DAEMON(covered in blood, turns to a shocked Ser Symond):Ser Symond!
SYMOND:Urgh..ummm...My King?
DAEMON:I've decided that boy lords aren't so bad after all! Send my condolences to their heirs about the brutal murders of their kin by Aegon's assassins!
And my congratulations for their elevations in rank! Let them know I'll be visiting each of them to drop off the bodies and to collect their oaths of loyalty!
On my BIG ASS DRAGON, of course!
I hate that the mother always gets blamed for how the kids turn out. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Alicent’s been the best mum, it’s impossible to be when you start having children at 15 (to put it in context, Alicent had her youngest child at 20 and Rhaenyra had her oldest child at 20)
Especially since the primary cause of Aegon and Aemond’s issues is Viserys’s neglect.
Um idk about Rhaenyra having a kid when she was 20 (she's not 20 I'm 100 sure, it's either 17 to 19 but whatever the ages and timeline is already fucked in this show so I'm gonna dumb myself down for this to make "sense") and I will say that yes since Alicent is actively teaching her kids to hate Rhaenyras and fear them is the primary reason why they're like that. We also know Alicent tolerates Aegons bullying Aemond for as long as it's private. Viserys was an absent father but at the same time what Alicent teaches to her kids is what really made them into what they are.
The show has literally shown you Aemond craving for a mother figure and ONLY finding it in a brothel but sure its "Visereys neglect" thats the primary cause of his issue. Lmao its like the show is spelling it out to you yet to choose not to see it.
i’m just so sick of alys and how daemon just does not do anything about her, just lets her drip her “advice” into his ear. so bloody sick of it.
Lol Daemon's arc with Alys has been my favorite part of the season.
@@Blinkptx i like her, she’s mysterious and interesting, i just don’t understand daemon’s reactions and behaviour towards her. normally, he would cut her head off. maybe he’s behaving differently due to his surroundings. but even a regular person would ignore her, or try to find out more about her, not just take whatever drink she’s offering and discuss problems with her. he mistrusts and suspects strong, but trusts alys, who knows what’s in his dreams and gave him weird drinks? i’m just so sick of this implausible situation. he doesn’t ask her who she actually is, or what she wants. he does not confront her. also, she’s not helping him, she’s most likely playing some long game(same goes for mysaria). perhaps he’s just cuntstruck. now he gets ser crispin.
Man the show really cut Nettles. I have no idea what's going to happen with Daemon then. As his story is now very different
I hope they fix it by letting Daemon reconnect with his daughters and when that scene with Aegon and Viserys happens, Rhaenyra will be mad at Rhaena then that shenanigans about betrayal will happen or they can just use this Rhaenyra and Mysaria thing since that can still work.
What I'm truly afraid off is them cutting Morning?? Or how Sheepstealer will survive cause??? I don't see a way how they'll make any dragons survive without making another change (but whatever this show is an AO3 FF atp, the ages not making sense, the timeline is fucked so whatever I'll just enjoy whatever it is they serve us ☠️)
yeah that is such a huge change that i'm afraid that they're gonna mess it up
@@lgt.jne3 Now that I think of it. The show could combine part of Daemon's story with Aemon's book story with Alys Rivers. She could maybe have Daemon's bastard. But it would be a huge change and weird.
Alicent really didn't have a choice to let the men walk over her. They'll always do so unless they respect women in authority, which Westeros simply doesn't. If I was her I'd have gone to live in Oldtown with my son who plays music and left the shitshow of the capital a long time ago. She was just too invested because of the old King.
She had a choice to raise the kids she has access to but unfortunately the only thing she taught them was to hate the Blacks
Sexism, sexism, sexism, you people have the tendency to speak with modern terms. Way back things were very different and there is a reason why males always had a better claim for the throne.
Seasmoke, the troll dragon of Westeros
"There's the Queen of fishes."
GODS, WHAT A STUPID INSULT. 🟢🟢🟢
The lesbian scene you are thinking about in A Storm of Swords did not include Missandei. It was Daenerys with her Dothraki handmaiden Irri. Irri is roughly the same age as Daenerys.
Came here to say that. GoT kinda get rid of her dothraki handmaidens and just kept Missandei because she was aged up anyway but for some reason didn't keep Dany's sex scenes with another woman.
I was about say cause I swear missandei and dany had like a mother daughter relationship in the books
@@bethelberhaneexactly
@@bethelberhane Right. In the books, Missandei was just a child, about 10 years old.
Dany was in the mood and irri was up to the task. For Dany it was clearly experimental iirc.
Here is a summary of all the dragons:
Vermithor, Silverwing and Seasmoke are the unclaimed dragons at Dragonstone and Seasmoke now has a new rider.
Syrax is Rhaenera's Moondancer is Baela's and Vermax is Jaecarys dragon, which are also at Dragonstone.
Caraxes is Daemons dragon, both are at Harrenhal.
At Kings Landing are Aemonds Vhagar and Helaena's Dreamfyre.
Aegons Sunfyre is wounded but recovering at Rooks Rest.
In Oldtown, Daeron has the blue dragon Tessarion.
Stormcloud and Tyraxes are with Rhaena and the kids at the Eyrie in the Vale
There are also 3 wild dragons: Sheepstealer, Grey Ghost and the Cannibal. Both Grey Ghost and the Cannibal are on Dragonstone and Sheepstealer is the big wild dragon that is feeding on sheeps in the Vale.
Arrax and Meyles are the dead dragons at this point.
Imagine if you put that energy into entrepreneurship, learning to code, real estate, or the stock market..
@@jamesw7072 😆😂😂
@@jamesw7072 Or even practicing any sport.
@@jamesw7072 lowkey that was what i thought for a split second 💀💀💀💀
I thought Cole said that it took Sunfyre a long time to die? I'll have to rewatch, I was so sure it was dead and I found it weird because of the book
I love how Alys said she's an owl, she hears things in the wind, then an owl comes to her. A warg into a bonded owl?
Warg or not, she's definitely a hoot.
So she can't be an owl if she has a pet owl that also may not be a barn owl but a screeching owl
What if the owl is warging her? Lol
I'm so glad Freddie Fox got this role of Gwayne!
Dude is consistently awesome in everything so I'm happy more people are getting to enjoy it.
Check out "year of the rabbit" if you wanna see him kill it in a more comedic role
This episode was phenomenal, I don't know what people are talking about online. Steffon and Seasmoke, Aemond and Aegon, Aegon and Larys, the Riot, Seasmoke and Addam, even Alicent and Gwayne! So many fantastic character scenes.
14:50 Seasmoke giving real random housecat energy
Dude got profiled by a dragon.
Daenerys is 16 (born on 284) during Dance (fifth book, year 300) and Missandei is 11. But I don't think Daenerys has any sexual scene with Missandei (not that I remember and I probably would remember cause that would be outrageous.). The one Daenerys ocasionally has sex with is her dothraki servant Irri who is also 16/17 (born on 283/284). Daenerys does feel guilty about it though.
Right, I definitely don’t remember anything sexual between Daenerys and Missandei, however there was something between Daenerys and one of her other hand maidens.
"I'm a barn owl trapped in the body of a human" *proceeds to rock up with a barn owl*
Hiya, birdwatcher here! That isn't actually a barn owl, it's a tawny owl
@@PootPootMagoot ah no! let down by my lack of bird knowledge!
@@hushRD haha no worries, they really missed an opportunity by not picking a barn owl tbh!
43:00 Alyn of Hull (port city the ships are built) is the bald one, while Addam of Hull is the current dragonrider of Seasmoke.
"fire cannot kill a dragon" needs to be let go omg. that was a show invention by d&d.
I shed a tear every time I hear ut
I think it's Daenerys and Irri who have a sexual relationship in the books, not her and Missandei (who she does have a very close platonic bond with). But I could be totally mistaken, and that's just wishful thinking?
That's correct! Missandei in the book is about 10-11, so their relationship is more like a sibling thing and it's very sweet. Irri and Dany are physically intimate but there's no romance to it - Irri offers to do it and it doesn't come off as coercive in any way or have a weird power imbalance thing, it's more like Dany got stressed and lonely and Irri was like "I mean, I can help with that if you want?" and it just became an every-now-and-then kind of casual thing.
You're correct. Dany gets the Ick about it b/c she feels like it's an abuse of her own power, so she doesn't summon her handmaid to her bed again. Book Messandi is an actual child..think under 10 YO. Cersei also has a relationship with overtones of if not outright violence/coercion with a bedmaid named Taena.
Yeah it's with Irri, though that relationship is really fucked up.
@@SaiyanSerenityV Yup yup, important to note _Dany_ is the one who felt conflicted, so she didn't continue. Irri felt honored to help out her Khalssei.
I tend to think Darklyn functioned as a blood magic sacrifice to Seasmoke (since Ser Steffon has a trace of dragonblood), priming Addam to be able to claim Seasmoke despite his dragonblood being better than Steffon's but still not full Targaryen. House Targaryen has forgotten a lot of their ancient blood magic, but those like Daenarys did it accidently, which is why she survived Drogo's pyre without burning. There might be more examples of accidental blood magic in GOT and HOTD.
I'm curious about the burning dragonkeeper slicing his throat with the dragonglass dagger. Was that just to end his horrific suffering or was it a deliberate act of self-sacrifice for blood magic? There's a theory that the dragons' hatching and bonding are only made possible by sacrifice-powered blood magic managed by the dragonkeepers. By cutting his own throat with dragonglass the keeper may have been feeding the blood magic in hopes his death would hatch out a new dragon. That might explain why he did it so slowly and with such gravitas rather than the panicked flailing one might expect if he was merely ending his misery.
Now that's a cool theory.
I mean... Velaryons and Targaryens have intermarried so much at this point that there's no real difference between the two by now.
its really more about valyrian blood than any specific of 3 surviving valyrain houses (targaryen velaryon and celtigar) as long as you're valyrian you have a shot
@@methuselahh_ As long as you have the blood of one of the 40 families who rode dragons, you have a shot. House Velaryon was not part of those 40 families, although it's possible Corlys' great-great-grandfather (Daemon Velaryon) was half-Targaryen himself.
@@zaja2418 yea targaryens and velaryons were intermarrying for a while before the conquest
@@methuselahh_that's a lie even Corlys already said it in S1 Velaryons are seafarers not dragonriders. To be a dragon rider you musy have blood from someone ( a descendant) that were dragonriders in Valyria.
@@lgt.jne3 evidentially that’s not true since addam is a dragon rider in the book and the show
Seasmoke has a type lol, he wasn't about to let a fuckin DARKLYN ride him
Perhaps he is like me and he prefers chocolate lol speaking of sea smoke of course, although his last rider was light chocolate compared to Adam, but same preference lol
I believe that the fact that Alicent did not choose to be a mother, but was forced to, resulted in her being a bad mother. In episodes 3 and 4 of the first season you can see what an unhappy teenage mother she was. This is another contrary parallel between her and Rhaenyra. Rhaenyra chose to have children with a man she wanted, Alicent was forced.
Not to mention Alicent was raising them under fear of the threat to their lives
Rhaenyra was equally forced to have children. She had to produce heirs for the throne AND Driftmark. The difference is that she was able to choose the father of those kids, unlike Alicent.
It is the same spot rhaenyra got cut you’re right! Alicent and Rhaenyra are always connected in some way.
If Gwaine had gone with his father to live in King’s Landing when he was a young man, instead of his sister Alicent, then Otto would have been scheming to marry him to Rhaenyra!
when your gay fake dad dies not too long after your real not dad so your ambiguous mom marries her uncle and her unclehusband becomes your unclefather but your ambiguous mom and fake grandmother betroth you to your cousin so your unclefather now becomes your future unclefather-in-law who runs away to star in a Silent Hill x Luigi's Mansion crossover and your previously ambiguous mother turns out to actually be your bi mom who makes your future unclefather-in-law's ex-fiance your new bi step-mother...I'd serve face and walk away too girl
Also, Mysaria gives Rhaenyra something she's always wanted and she shares it with her right before they kiss: she sees past Rhaenyra's being a woman. Rhae has a complicated relationship with being a woman and she says she wanted to be a man so Mysaria saying she looks good with a sword and when she doubts herself she gives the same affirmation we'd hear given to male-leaning characters "You're just tired. get some rest. let others (or the women) handle this for you." THAT endears Rhaenyra to Mysaria.
For Mysaria, not having to offer her body, the thing her father took as if it were his when she was a child (taking away her ability to have children if she wished) and every time afterwards she had to give up to survive, means the world. When Rhaenyra asks her about her scar in episode 2 and Mysaria doesn't give her an answer but Rhaenyra still lets her go, she allows Mysaria the opportunity and choice to stay of her own volition. When Rhaenyra comes to her with complaints about her council, she's sort of playing the traditional role of Rhaenyra's wife and by actually allowing Mysaria to not kiss her in that breath they take, there's consent for both parties. Rhaenyra married to her uncle who groomed her as a teenager (and her cousin) and Mysaria who was sexually assaulted as a child and became a sex worker to survive.
They share an intimacy that neither has had especially as an adult. Rhaenyra can explore "masculine" interests she has freely without fear of ridicule or mockery, while Mysaria can "be of consequence" and play wife without giving up her body
The sons are Alyn (the one Corlys likes) & Addam (the dragon one).
Edit is me correcting this.
Some book facts below (no spoilers for after the equivalent time in the books).
With Corlys being a Velaryon and the Blood of old Valyria.
Aegon the Conqueror's mother was Valaena Velaryon who's own mother was a Targ, it's not known if said Targ mother married the Lord of House Velaryon meaning the rest of their line have Targ blood is not known but it would make sense which would mean there is a good chance of
Interestingly (though this would not affect Corlys’ illegitimate kids getting dragons) there have been other Targ/Velaryon matches notably on the show Rhaenys and Corlys, before that there was Jaehaerys I and Alysanne's mother was a Velaryon she married Aneys I who was the son of Aegon the Conqueror and Rhaneys and then married Rogar Baratheon (their daughter then married her nephew Jaherys' son Aemon and they are Rhaenys' parents).
Other way around :)
Alyn is the older one, favoured by Corlys.
Addam is the black-haired who is claimed by Seasmoke.
@@sabrinaschmitt9267 Ah I can't believe I got that wrong, made a point to check it and everything. Thanks for pointing it out I've corrected it now.
I really like that Alyn is like Corylss he is salt and sea and how Adam is fire and blood. Yet they both are Valerian blood
Yes, not just aegon the conq's. They were intermarrying before the doom as well. The velaryon children from targ marriage were not given eggs, but they definitely can ride dragons
Seasmoke is NOT a big fan of consent.
The showrunners wanted to make 10 episodes but it was the high ups CEO who cut it off to 8 episodes for whatever reason (I suspect it was financial but who knows).
It's rumoured to have been done to they can squeeze more seasons out of the material.
They better not make us wait 2 more yrs for a new season, they will lose ppl if that continues.
Both of the brothers, Alan and Adam are corylss sons one has the silver hair one does not and considering they are black black I am assuming their mother was black hence Adam having dark hair that’s not that unusual in mixed relationships
Stormcloud looks so cute I absolutely love his relationship and devotion to little aegon he saved his life it’s just horrible how aegon was known to hate dragons yet he forgets his own dragon sacrificed his life to protect him.
Book-Aegon was horribly traumatized; I can't really blame him. It's a wonder that he managed to function at all, much less make decisions, be a king, etc. As far as we know, he didn't harm any dragons, but he could not stand to have any near him. However, in the TV show, that may not happen; little Stormcloud is not large enough to save little Aegon's life; and little Aegon is not old enough to ride a dragon on his own; so he might share his younger brother Viserys' fate, unless Baela and Moondancer (or Baela on Sheepstealer) intervene.
Stormcloud is wayyyyyy too small in show, he wouldn't be able to save Aegon. I think they're gonna change how young Aegon was left traumatized by all these events.
Missandei and Daenerys? I don't remember that. Are you thinking of something that happened with Irri? Daenerys had Irri 'pleasure' her a couple times.
Yup! In the moment it made sense in my head, but I was mixing two things together
I dont think there is anything sexual between Missandei and Daenerys in the books? They have a more platonic relationship if anything
No, it was between Dany and her maid Irri.
Clarus is 100% right. Seasmoke is a troll. you can see it in his facial expression that he was f'ing with Ser Steffon. He already knew, that he wanted Addam as rider. Which makes sense since Addam is the half brother of his former rider. The connection to Addam must feel very familiar to him. I believe Seasmoke realized, that they where going to "force" him to bond with another person, so he took matters in his own hands/talons/claws, said: "FU. I am going to get who I like!"
Starting to think Alicent and Rhaenyra might've had something when they were younger
Rhaenyra was definitely attracted to Alicent. I don't know if it was mutual, Alicent probably didn't even realize. But I mean, Rhaenyra didn't want to marry a man, and she felt betrayed when Alicent married her father
@@Lightning_Lance Funny, I read it the other way around -- starting with the scene of them reading in the garden in s1e1, I thought Alicent had unrequited love for Rhaenyra. Basically R was just being a free spirit, but it was enough to snare A's heart ... who tried very hard to ignore her feelings, and eventually repressed them into jealousy and hatred.
@IgnisKhan I agree, I got that vibe as well. I think Alicent is the super religious type, that in our modern world would react in horror to her own feelings and repress them until they destroy her from the inside out. As opposed to the more sensible religious who still feel that being gay is a sin, those people acknowledge the feelings but consider them a weakness to be overcome. Alicent is a holier than thou type and should've been a septa. She would've been into the walk of shame given to Cersei.
There used to be many noble houses of Old Valyria, and the Targaryen, Velaryons, and Celtigars (the old man whom Rhaenyra slapped is a Celtigar) were all such noble houses. But only 40 families were dragonriding families, and the Targaryens are the last of the dragonriding families. So it's possible that the Velaryons have some ancestor who was from one of the other dragonriding families, but not all Valyrians can ride dragons.
I think Seasmoke chose Addam because he’s Laenor’s half brother and can sense it. He misses him bond.
I’m glad yall noticed that Seasmoke flies over Spicetown because he’s been checking out Addam for a minute now. Remember he flew passed Addam in a previous episode
I can imagine you could see this as making up for the lesbian scenes we missed out in the GoT tv-show between Danaerys and her handmaiden Irri.
Also in the GoT tv-show we didn’t get to see the scenes between Cersei and her companion Taena Merryweather, because they cut her out of the story.
When it comes to that scene with Halena mentioning how the bug no longer sings, If you notice, those look like little bird cages. Which brings me back to last season when Rahniese is having the discussion with Alicent about how shes a "Bird in a cage" and only wants to make a window in the walls of her prison.... Alicent no longer has ANY control. That window is now shut therefore the caged bird no longer sings. Represented by the fact she is dressing and behaving like the old caged bird she once was and now is again. Just a thought.
I really appreciate y'alls take on the kiss. A lot of the fandom is either shocked, perving out, or complaining. It's SO nice to hear people who get the intimacy of the moment.