It’s good to know that this stuff doesn’t just happen to me!! Manufacturers today don’t seem to have quality control or inspection practices in place!! Thank you once again George for sharing your work and solutions!!
Looks as if the height of the standard seat pedestals is OK for these 3rd party swivel seats. I mention this because I ‘heard’ the pedestals for the MB factory swivel seats are a few inches lower. Appreciate your comment. Thanks for the excellent content.
Another channel that is right up your alley is The Fit RV. He shows some great upgrade work he does himself and he does comparative test that are helpful.
Yes! I've been watching Fit RV for quite a while now, back when they had their old Sprinter. I think they named it DasBus. Have you seen James' workshop? OMG! I'd love to do a project in there! I tried to introduce myself to Stefany at this past Tampa RV Show, but she was swamped in the middle of a crowd ALL the time! Maybe next year!
NO NEED TO DRILL! Follow the instructions you mentioned in the first video. The seat base is out of square. If you loosen the bolts that hold the base to the floor everything will line up. Also install the tapered head bolt first, then the bolt in front on the same side. Move to the other side and do the same. The swivels are made very precisely and the holes are drilled to factory specs. The seat base can get out of square when bolted to the floor at the factory. Regarding the hand brake adapter. We have heard comments about these and it's possible that some were defective, but we have done testing and have not been able to reproduce this issue at our facility. If you loosely thread each bolt then tighten them a bit at a time, this will make the brake adapter easier to install.
My blood pressure increased significantly watching the first part of this video. Perfection is not guaranteed in life but a couple of disclaimers from the manufacturer 'these parts may not conform to standard tolerances and may require additional drilling / adjustment' would go a long way. George: Will you be letting the company know about this? Thanks for providing the full effort (frustrations and all). A lesser man would have went postal and turned the video into an expletive-laced rant. You are a 100% class act and gentleman.
In the end, it was all not really a big deal. But you are correct, a disclaimer would have diffused the entire surprise factor. I am definitely contacting the company to discuss that alignment issue, as well as some of the their design decisions. The only reason I feel so strongly about this is because these are the most expensive on the market and I expect the quality and workmanship to be in line with the price. Make no mistake, these swivels are heavy duty and well made. It's just that guy they have running the drill press! Maybe he can't read German! :-)
well even if the Drill Press guy doesn't speak German, he should be able to work a Go / No-Go gauge. QC is important when you're charging a grip of cash.
I'm so glad that you hold the image for a long time so folks can actually see the parts. Many give you a 3 second chance and trying to get it paused on the image is a bear. Love all your videos.
Wow George what a great job you did. I wouldn’t have any tools left after I had gotten so frustrated with all that and just threw them all. OMG! You have the patience of Jobe. I’m so impressed with this whole build and can’t wait for the next update!! 🚐✌🏼
Your idea to have 2 separate house battery systems, one for lite duty and one for heavy duty, is ingenious. It may seem like overkill, but it's actually a great way to better manage your power generation and usage. I like it!
Could you believe that I spent all day watching your channel? So my impression ...... perfectionist check..... professional check ..... full of wisdom (comes with age?) check ..... have a tough, loving, smart and patient wife ( to handle you) check ..... my conclusion .... I want an RV made by you!
I'm a late arrival to your channel & respect your love of process & discovery as well as the finished job. The journey is as rewarding as the destination for only a few. Sure you solved your swivel lube concern by now. On similar auto, household & boat friction issues where I don't want oily grease seep to stain, I have used Lubriplate No 105 Motor Assembly Grease, all auto supply has it. It's white, heat, water stable with consistency between yogurt & toothpaste, it stays in place better than other grease. Maybe MB changed the seat box bolt pattern after the swivel adapter mfg made their original template.
This just blows my mind. If you don't have a machine shop (or at least a box cutter, drill, rubber mallet and a tap and die set) you can't install those swivels. I would really love a swivel passenger seat but I'm lacking the machine shop.. Can I stop by? I'll bring painters tape and a yellow bucket. :) Your momma definitely did not raise no dummy! Another very well done video my friend.
I think each kit will be different. Some have commented that their holes all lined up. If you find the right swivel for your van, give it a try. What's the worst that could happen? You will need help, that's no biggie in the van world!
New subscriber here... got a great deal on an already decked out campervan, appreciate your wonderful teaching style- no shame and keeping it real and clean 🧼. 😄. Even if I might have someone else do this for me- I will know how it’s done. Thank you and God bless~!
I can tell you what I did with my seat skirt with the same swivel, I took the seat off and used a heat gun and hot gloves to bend about 1/2" or so to the inside on the bottom which formed a 90, looks great. I could take a pic if you like, also I have a warning about getting the short seat base with this swivel you will be really modifying the swivel and I'm not just talking resizing the holes! The brake will also need modifying but in the end the short base is nice! I also will have a two battery system the small one done so looking forward to your thoughts on the big system. Keep up the good work
I can see the frustration with the seat swivel instal, with the holes not matching. You would expect a higher quality from an expensive product. I would be frustrated too. Good job on the built.
You are so patient and do everything the correct mechanical way ..I do so love to watch you threw this process ..but God know I am so thankful I am not a man !! This taxes my brain , ha ...😊
For people buying brand new Sprinters, you can (as far as I know) order them with swivels, and they even chop the pedestal so the seats wind up at stock height, just with swivels. Just saying, for whatever minimal proportion of people will be ordering a brand new Sprinter to convert. At least, I believe you can.
Claudia Frasca-Jones Yes! That was the fastest 32:21. George's videos always make me wish the were longer. His quality to detail, and content are second to none.
They are called fluted screws, not tapered head. The fluted screws that the face bumps out are called oval screws. Not trying to be a jargon jerk, just want u and people watching this to find what they are looking for at the hardware store easier. Love your builds!
You may has well have used some cheap, Chinese universal adaptors once you needed to get a drill out, mine cost less than £60 each ( uk). But, some intermediate plate fabrication ( drilling some metal sheet) was required. .. Essential mod for a campervan any day !
I would be concerned about the quality of the swivels myself. The handle seamed "tinny" and look like it felt cheap. Even my old RV it's an 89 has recline and swivel in the armrest. But that mechanism under that little table would be great on that dinner/work/ playing table that you were talking about. Great video again, starting to think you should have gotten on this side of the camera a long time ago.
I will start to use the swivels as if I was living full time in the van. I'll do a performance report video. I have been a photographer since I was 15 years old. I have always been camera shy, but for some unknown reason, I am driven to make these videos. It just all seems so natural. I think it has to do with my passion for RV life.
Hi George, Enjoyed watching you conquer your issues with those seat swivels. Hard to believe that product was made to fit your van. I'm wondering if the 1.5 inch seat height gain will cause your heel and toe action from floor to brake pedal and gas ( diesel pedal ) to be uncomfortable. I'm sure you will overcome any obstacle.... you have proven that already! All of us armchair experts have tips and tricks in our arsenals. Here is one... use a tapered drift pin to pull and align parts, it won't damage threads and might save some drilling. One last thing... go online to McMaster Carr and check them out. They can supply an unbelievable amount of supplies and tools for your needs. They have information about what things are accurately called and exact dimensions. It's like a tutorial for what a socket head cap screw is !!!! Best part is they stock what is in the catalogue and you get it the next day in the " Brown Truck " delivery. Hope your beer was cold, you deserved it!!!!!!
I believe there are different high set extensions available. Mine in my 2013 Airstream Interstate are about 2 to 3 inches lower then what I see on yours.
I received an explanation from the distributor that I did not agree with. The reality is; I have a pair of stout swivels that work very well. Would I buy them again? No.
Ive just found your channel .... thoroughly informative, excellent filming & editing and to top it all your a very funny, relaxed cool Dude :-))) Thanks for this fantastic video, so grateful i found your channel via Kenetubes build :-)
The difference in the plate hole, and mounting may vary because of where the van seat box was manufactured. The swivel is from Germany, yes? So my guess is, it was made there, to fit a German made seat box. But that part of your Sprinter van may have been manufactured in Mexico, the USA or who knows where else.... China? So, may be this is where the non alignment originated. Though I gotta say, you’ve got all the right tools to fix the flaws. Well done!
The Swivel reseller insists that had I loosened the seat box floor bolts, as indicated in the ENGLISH directions, it would have been an easy job of aligning the bolts. They claim the seat box gets twisted once tightened down. I don't buy that theory. If the seat box is twisted or not is irrelevant.
Man that was a pain.they haven't check in to that would you have used them if you had any idea that was going to take that much time and frustration. Just don't thing that was well thought out by the seat company. Thank for sharing
I feel your pain man! Gotta wonder what the heck these so called engineers and product development people are thinking. Throw a product out into the marketplace with little research. ARggggg! I install 12V electronics and the like into cars for a living and constantly see stuff like this. Dremels with a nice sanding drum make short work of plastics and making nice cuts. A little practice and a light touch is sometimes key. Hmm haven't heard the word "hassock" in a while That's what my parents called it up here in the NH state. Good job on your project! -Jon in the great state of NH
Dremel also makes a plastic cutting wheel the diameter is only about an inch in diameter and looks like a fiber metal cutting wheel. It has a thin kerf and cuts plastic pretty cleanly in straight lines. Now I also have a right angle attachment for working with some situations with space restrictions, otherwise I just use the regular Dremel, mandrel and cutting wheel. Another thing I use is a plunge cutting bit (looks like a drill bit), But it's a spiral cutting bit. This cuts fast in any direction, but it's not forgiving and can take out too much a times. I'll use it when I need to make a rough cut to clean up with a file. Best to take a scrap piece of plastic to see how the bits react. There might also be some molten plastic building up during a cut so use safety glasses and gloves if you can. Heck I'm only in NH and my wife is from NJ we'd love to see this project in person! Gotta take a trip to PA to visit my aunt soon too! Good luck to you! -Jon
"Sometime your the fly... sometime your the windshield." I love that saying! I'm going to keep in my pocket and use it for a moment when Needed. Hehe. My Dad, as well, has funny sayings that I've begun to write them down. After seeing your detailed work by using your "sculpting tool", you have me sold on the integrity and skill of your work, whether it's customizing minor details or major details. ...How do I apply for the protégé program? :)
Your are so right . Not plug and play. I didn’t have to drill mine out. I struggled with it for a while and got it_ I’m waiting to see what you do before grinding the skirts.
I like the height off the front seats. I want to see everything when driving. Georgie, you are sooo smart! Ae your viewers your impetus, or are you driven off camera as well? If you keep going like this you will live forever, but...remember to watch your stress levels.
Well, they are very heavy duty. Good solid material, just those holes! Now that they are installed, I bit of dry lube and they should improve with age.
Came here from watching your 8020 videos. You have a new subscriber, because of the QUALITY, DETAIL and CRAFTSMANSHIP you put in these builds. Astonishing. Thank you for the impressions. *Can you say what kind of 8020 you use?* Is it 40mm, or 30mm? What kind of groove design do you prefer? In my part of the world, they call the design "groove 8, or groove 6", in your are it seems to be "profile 6 or profile 8" as an example. Surely you have a preference, and probably good reason for such a preference. It always seems to come down to weight vs. strength. In my are the "common" driver is limited by a max weight of the vehicle of 3500kg, unless an additional (truck) drivers license is made, which has it's own cost and additional regulations for the license holder. Since you build the vans with the dually axle, I assume your weight is above 3500kg?
Is it possible they sent a set for a different year than yours? Mine are supposed to be here next week. I'll let you know how the installation goes. How about the additional height? Any issues? I may have the pedestals cut down, not sure until I have them in. Wife is 5'4". We'll see if she is comfortable. You know the old saying "Ain't momma happy, ain't no-one happy"!!! How is the fore and aft motion for the seats? Is anything binding? Did the holes for the seat tracks align? On another note: What is your source for 80/20?
The additional height with the swivel kit is 1.5 inches. In my PW, I store my waffle leveling blocks under the front passenger carpet. It's a great place to store them, and I can pile them as high as the lovely wife needs to feel comfortable. Thankfully, the seat tracks and swivel plates aligned close enough, no issues. The swivel and the seat tracks should be dry lubed periodically to keep 'em moving smoothly. I purchased ALL my 80/20 direct.
Watching your video, I see a need for a shorter seat base so the seat hight is not changed when you add the swivel. I have seen other videos with people complaining about the higher seats, usually wives with shorter legs, not good.
Great video! Big help and much appreciated! You probably already know you can order swivel seats from the factory, and I understand they do not increase the height of the seats. Do you know how the factory swivel seat option compares with the option you selected?
Those swivels will raise the seat about 2 inches too high. You may have to purchase lower seat pedestals from MB. Or have the originals cut down (someone do a video on this please). If you’re looking for the best swivel seats for the Sprinter, check out Alpine Mechanisms (Luftkraft fabrications) in Colorado. They only raise the seats a half inch, but are almost twice the price and there’s a waiting list.
Thanks for the resource Jon. I will def finitely check them out. If you cut down the driver's seat box, you will have to re-mount all those relays and such that live in there. MB does offer a lower seat box for their factory swivel offering.
In your "humble" opinion, would the increased height that the swivel adds (looks like about 3-4 in?) would it make it harder to drive for myself and my wife both vertically challenged (5'7" -5' 9")? Would you buy these again for your next build or is there a competitor you would try? Thank you for any help you can give.
The swivel kit adds one and one half inches to the height. IMHO, the swivel seats are a "must have" in order to expand your living area when parked. You can build up the floor or simply pile up your waffle leveling blocks under a carpet to get the desired foot height. I do that in my PW with excellent results.
George, the hand break that you mentioned on your other van, where the forward part of the break drops down, but, the break itself remains locked; How do you release the break, when your ready to leave, IF the handle is in the down position???
Humble Road I guess being from South Jersey (Margate City), the water must be different, making me more dumber!! I’ve always been a “show me the procedure” type of guy, rather than trying to understand directions...but, once I got it, it hardly ever leaves me. That said, if the back part of the handbreak is locked, and, to release the forward section, wouldn’t you depress the release button and drop it down? Then, when you’re ready to leave, you said, “to toggle the handle upwards, depress the lock button and drop handle down to lower positions.” When you depress the lock handle, won’t that just disengage the front section again??
In the 70s I converted a Dodge van to a camper. I bought and replaced the 2 front seats with Captain chairs with swivels already built in to them. Very comfortable and looked great. I am completely disgusted with this situation here. After installing these the handle and corners stick out so much they hit your legs when the seat is set back.
You did an awesome job of guiding us through the process. I would be interested in knowing exactly which swivel kits you used. It seems like that kit is worth avoiding given the mods you have to use to make the driver's side kit work... unless alternatives are worse.
Thank you Don. After some research on line, it appears as though, in spite of the installer modifications required, this is the most sturdy, "non-wobbling" swivel out there. As I said, I am going for more refinement; smoother rotation and softer corners on the frame itself. I'll keep you posted.
Awesome video...does the swivel rattle when you drive? When someone is sitting on the passenger and the car is moving, will the swivel click or rattle in place? Thanks again for this video
Hi George, just rewatching some of your early build video's and was wondering if you ever answered any of the questions that arose on this install? Would love to know if they got worked out.
Beyond the initial install, I have not looked back at those swivels. I am just now getting over the trauma of that experience....😛 I know I have to cut the plastic side skirts on the seats to allow for clearance at the lower settings. And some sort of ottoman (with storage) will help with the new higher seat position. Ideally, the swivels should be ordered from the factory, as they use a lower mounting box on the floor when a swivel is requested. And you can be sure the factory config is DOT approved, whereas many of the aftermarket offerings are not! Imagine having to explain that!
That would have worked to get the bolts in, but would that compromise the integrity of the seat box and it's welds? If SportsCraft can't get the drilling accurate enough, why not just make slotted holes? Or larger holes with a washer? Pretty simple fix.
For lubrication, I'd use a dry/semi-dry lubricant with Teflon (PTFE). I'd stay away from greases such as white lithium, and the like, as they'll attract and hold debris/dirt/gunk/etc. These lubricants are affordable and widely available. DuPont's own multi-purpose lubricant is good, as are similar products from Blaster, WD-40, etc. Whatever you do, don't use original WD-40. The 'WD' in the name stands for "water displacement", and it's a solvent, not a lubricant.
Hello George. Your presentations are fantastic. Question? I'm nine minutes into this swivel seat install. all of a sudden you are modifying the emergency brake cover because as you state "everything is lower". When did this happen? Did the kit come with lower seat bases or did you modify (cut down) the existing bases? Thanks, Bobby Craven
I don't remember exactly. I think there is an offset adapter for the hand brake which has it mounted slight lower. Also may need to readjust the brake cable. I'm pretty sure i mentioned every aspect of the install, but I can't go back to watch now, I'm editing tomorrow's video!
Humble Road No need to reply George. Offset adapter explains the reason for the mods the the brake cover. I wasn’t sure but Now I see the swivel plate is installed with the existing seat bases which means you set a couple of inches higher. I’m building my van from scratch on a new Promaster. Love your videos and explanations. Following every word. Thanks, Bobby Craven
Either the drilling Sargent can't read German or he/she left the spectacles on his/her head 🙃 in any event it's a great experience....although, for the price....the expectation is to be met with precision. Let's us know what their reply is...or excuse👍🏼 it did cross this humans mind that they might have sent you a model for one of the other models or...maybe the packing machine got confused that day..😂 or! or! are they standard issue?mmmm me no know😆all good. Once again a delight to watch.
These kits are a disgrace. Do you know if they've fixed them yet? At this rate I might as well make my own, but these are "engineer approved", although I'm not sure that would hold after having to modify them to fit.
Geez! What aggravation! When you edited this, and fast forwarded the drilling and filing, did you also remove the curse words? lol! I know I would’ve had to😂 you are so even- tempered, no matter what issues you are faced with, all to make this the ideal build. Keep up the good work and the videos of your progress. You deserved more than one beer after that😊
Lost On Land Again: so was I. I’m 5’2” and have some degree of difficulty sitting on normal furniture. My feet are never flat on the floor. That seat looks so high up, forget the foot rest, I’d need a step stool to get into it😂
The overall increase in seat height is 1.5 inches. It is substantial. I have read that MB has a shorter seat box available just for this purpose. Have to look into it.
Maybe the holes will line up better on the shorter seat box. They might have slightly different dimensions and that is what the swivel company designed their swivels to match. Just thinking.
I installed the passenger swivel a week ago. I’m disgusted because seat won’t swivel because of the seat skirt too low. I will have to shave them off with my grinder. I went on to other stuff for the time being. I really don’t want to do the driver side now. Main reason is I’m 6’3” and the swivel raises the seat 2”. I don’t like that. I love driving right where the seat is now.
Are you considering re-locating those electrical components in the driver's seat box? I'm going to take a look at that. MB does offer a shorter seat box for the swivel option they have.
michele vitarelli I live in Jax, Fl. I read in a forum where some were doing that . Cutting 2” out then welding it back, grinding the weld , painting it then reinstalling. Just seemed like a lot of trouble. Then I read where Mercedes sells the lower profile stands in Germany. Very expensive.
Georgie ! I was watching this video and saw u trying to shave that plastic trim with utility knife, super dangerous, there's a easier way, lookup plumbers copper pipe reamer, not the round one but the one with lil handle and curved blade. on it! much safer.😊
Because the battery is not going in until the end of September. I also want to use these swivels now to see if they are adequate and, as I suspect, will improve with age. Right now, the swivel is a little tight.
its already been made. the phone companies are waiting to deploy it. they are drip feeding improvments so us consumers have a reason to upgrade. link here...www.extremetech.com/mobile/262497-samsung-patent-shows-phone-camera-inside-display
michele vitarelli that’s really not any different than what we have now except the display just notches at the edge. If you looked at your image your eyes would still not be in the lens. That’s why Casey Neistat always wears shades.
Samsung have figured out to plant the camera behind the display so its in the center of the dsplay. Its already possible. No sunglasses needed because you would be looking at the center, not off to the side.
michele vitarelli you might want to read the beginning of the article more closely. They start off talking about bezels and how the top and bottom are difficult and how Apple has the infamous notch. Then they talk about Samsung pushing the display to the edge with small gaps for sensors. It’s in the middle of the top of the phone, not the center of the screen. You can take a look at the patents if you’re still unclear.
The biggest flaw with those bases is the height you end up with, your gonna look like a dork that's 7ft tall driving down the road. And those release handles for the swivel look like blades just waiting to slice up an unsuspecting calve muscle. I seen a guy on a another channel that put a full size recliner on the passenger side it could even be a swivel kind. I think I'm gonna go with that and leave the driver's side alone as I will be traveling alone. 💺😉
Building for a solo use is soooo much easier! I have a floor plan that I will be building for a solo traveler. The added height with the swivels is 1.5 inches. As far as the calf cutting blade, it's possible, won't know until I drive it. Once the futon frame is finished, I'll take a drive up to the CAT scales.
It’s good to know that this stuff doesn’t just happen to me!! Manufacturers today don’t seem to have quality control or inspection practices in place!! Thank you once again George for sharing your work and solutions!!
Looks as if the height of the standard seat pedestals is OK for these 3rd party swivel seats. I mention this because I ‘heard’ the pedestals for the MB factory swivel seats are a few inches lower. Appreciate your comment. Thanks for the excellent content.
You and FIT have an unbelievable amount of toys and skill.
Another channel that is right up your alley is The Fit RV. He shows some great upgrade work he does himself and he does comparative test that are helpful.
Yes! I've been watching Fit RV for quite a while now, back when they had their old Sprinter. I think they named it DasBus. Have you seen James' workshop? OMG! I'd love to do a project in there! I tried to introduce myself to Stefany at this past Tampa RV Show, but she was swamped in the middle of a crowd ALL the time! Maybe next year!
🤯This is exactly why I ordered mine to be done in factory on my 2021 Transit 👍🏼😎
I have found nothing better than factory swivels.
NO NEED TO DRILL! Follow the instructions you mentioned in the first video. The seat base is out of square. If you loosen the bolts that hold the base to the floor everything will line up. Also install the tapered head bolt first, then the bolt in front on the same side. Move to the other side and do the same. The swivels are made very precisely and the holes are drilled to factory specs. The seat base can get out of square when bolted to the floor at the factory. Regarding the hand brake adapter. We have heard comments about these and it's possible that some were defective, but we have done testing and have not been able to reproduce this issue at our facility. If you loosely thread each bolt then tighten them a bit at a time, this will make the brake adapter easier to install.
I thought George say those were welded
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My blood pressure increased significantly watching the first part of this video. Perfection is not guaranteed in life but a couple of disclaimers from the manufacturer 'these parts may not conform to standard tolerances and may require additional drilling / adjustment' would go a long way. George: Will you be letting the company know about this?
Thanks for providing the full effort (frustrations and all). A lesser man would have went postal and turned the video into an expletive-laced rant. You are a 100% class act and gentleman.
In the end, it was all not really a big deal. But you are correct, a disclaimer would have diffused the entire surprise factor. I am definitely contacting the company to discuss that alignment issue, as well as some of the their design decisions. The only reason I feel so strongly about this is because these are the most expensive on the market and I expect the quality and workmanship to be in line with the price. Make no mistake, these swivels are heavy duty and well made. It's just that guy they have running the drill press! Maybe he can't read German! :-)
well even if the Drill Press guy doesn't speak German, he should be able to work a Go / No-Go gauge. QC is important when you're charging a grip of cash.
@@HumbleRoad He most likely was not German but a "guest" worker - Turk, Bulgarian, Albanian ... You can thank the EEU.
I heard that “Instructional” videos are the most viewed and searched for on UA-cam. Smart Title - great video!
I'm so glad that you hold the image for a long time so folks can actually see the parts. Many give you a 3 second chance and trying to get it paused on the image is a bear.
Love all your videos.
Thank you Alan.
Wow George what a great job you did. I wouldn’t have any tools left after I had gotten so frustrated with all that and just threw them all. OMG! You have the patience of Jobe. I’m so impressed with this whole build and can’t wait for the next update!! 🚐✌🏼
Thank you! This build is very personal to me. It is important that I am absolutely proud of every aspect of my work.
Your idea to have 2 separate house battery systems, one for lite duty and one for heavy duty, is ingenious. It may seem like overkill, but it's actually a great way to better manage your power generation and usage. I like it!
Exactly. And it offers a bit of redundancy, if one or the other goes down. I plan on color coding the switches and fixtures per system.
Could you believe that I spent all day watching your channel? So my impression ...... perfectionist check..... professional check ..... full of wisdom (comes with age?) check ..... have a tough, loving, smart and patient wife ( to handle you) check ..... my conclusion .... I want an RV made by you!
I can make that happen! Takes about 4 months.
You could make an instructional video on how to watch paint dry and everyone would love it!!! Thanks!!!
I am planning on glossy white painted wainscot on the ceiling, so don't worry, that video is coming! :-D
Soooooo true
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You are a good honest man. Thank you for this video.
My pleasure!
I'm a late arrival to your channel & respect your love of process & discovery as well as the finished job. The journey is as rewarding as the destination for only a few. Sure you solved your swivel lube concern by now. On similar auto, household & boat friction issues where I don't want oily grease seep to stain, I have used Lubriplate No 105 Motor Assembly Grease, all auto supply has it. It's white, heat, water stable with consistency between yogurt & toothpaste, it stays in place better than other grease. Maybe MB changed the seat box bolt pattern after the swivel adapter mfg made their original template.
This just blows my mind. If you don't have a machine shop (or at least a box cutter, drill, rubber mallet and a tap and die set) you can't install those swivels. I would really love a swivel passenger seat but I'm lacking the machine shop.. Can I stop by? I'll bring painters tape and a yellow bucket. :) Your momma definitely did not raise no dummy! Another very well done video my friend.
I think each kit will be different. Some have commented that their holes all lined up. If you find the right swivel for your van, give it a try. What's the worst that could happen? You will need help, that's no biggie in the van world!
Excellent Video!! I just found your site and enjoyed your sense of humor.
Just now watching this - fantastic! Looking forward to seeing more of the build!
New subscriber here... got a great deal on an already decked out campervan, appreciate your wonderful teaching style- no shame and keeping it real and clean 🧼. 😄. Even if I might have someone else do this for me- I will know how it’s done. Thank you and God bless~!
Jesus is Lord 2020 glad I could be of service. Welcome to Humble Road! This is a good time to binge watch ALL my videos! 🤓
With the right tools you can make everything fit... great video!
Your van build is going to be epic. 👍
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Great attention to detail! I would love to work with this guy!
I can tell you what I did with my seat skirt with the same swivel, I took the seat off and used a heat gun and hot gloves to bend about 1/2" or so to the inside on the bottom which formed a 90, looks great. I could take a pic if you like, also I have a warning about getting the short seat base with this swivel you will be really modifying the swivel and I'm not just talking resizing the holes! The brake will also need modifying but in the end the short base is nice! I also will have a two battery system the small one done so looking forward to your thoughts on the big system. Keep up the good work
Very interesting solution. Elegant, I'd say. You are definitely an outside the box thinker!
I can see the frustration with the seat swivel instal, with the holes not matching. You would expect a higher quality from an expensive product. I would be frustrated too. Good job on the built.
The more I see you do all this work, the less guilty I feel for paying someone to do it for me... lol.
Luckily for me, it doesn't feel like work………………………yet
I can tell you love it! And it's going to be perfect when it's done because we've seen you will settle for nothing less. Very admirable quality.
Hahahaha! I've been thinking the same. He's doing so well.
you really enjoy what you are doing it shows
I’m thinking the same thing. Lmao
You had me laughing out loud with your, “I’ve been boning up on my German” comment...haha!
As soon as I saw those directions, that should have been the tip off that there were going to be problems..:-D
You are so patient and do everything the correct mechanical way ..I do so love to watch you threw this process ..but God know I am so thankful I am not a man !! This taxes my brain , ha ...😊
You are chugging along I love it.
For people buying brand new Sprinters, you can (as far as I know) order them with swivels, and they even chop the pedestal so the seats wind up at stock height, just with swivels. Just saying, for whatever minimal proportion of people will be ordering a brand new Sprinter to convert. At least, I believe you can.
thank you ! you're a funny guy and also very good at icomprehensive instructions
A longer video - YAY!!
Claudia Frasca-Jones
Yes! That was the fastest 32:21. George's videos always make me wish the were longer. His quality to detail, and content are second to none.
Agreed :)
I was really concerned about the length of this video. I actually went back in and cut a few minutes of me rambling, which I tend to do!
What may be rambling to you, is entertainment to us!
They are called fluted screws, not tapered head. The fluted screws that the face bumps out are called oval screws. Not trying to be a jargon jerk, just want u and people watching this to find what they are looking for at the hardware store easier. Love your builds!
Thank you Aaron!
You may has well have used some cheap, Chinese universal adaptors once you needed to get a drill out, mine cost less than £60 each ( uk).
But, some intermediate plate fabrication ( drilling some metal sheet) was required. .. Essential mod for a campervan any day !
And the Oscar Goes to ......Humble Road
Oh I wasn't acting! Believe me! :-)
You make me giggle when you say look in the lens
I would be concerned about the quality of the swivels myself. The handle seamed "tinny" and look like it felt cheap. Even my old RV it's an 89 has recline and swivel in the armrest. But that mechanism under that little table would be great on that dinner/work/ playing table that you were talking about. Great video again, starting to think you should have gotten on this side of the camera a long time ago.
I will start to use the swivels as if I was living full time in the van. I'll do a performance report video. I have been a photographer since I was 15 years old. I have always been camera shy, but for some unknown reason, I am driven to make these videos. It just all seems so natural. I think it has to do with my passion for RV life.
Hi George,
Enjoyed watching you conquer your issues with those seat swivels. Hard to believe that product was made to fit your van.
I'm wondering if the 1.5 inch seat height gain will cause your heel and toe action from floor to brake pedal and gas ( diesel pedal ) to be uncomfortable. I'm sure you will overcome any obstacle.... you have proven that already!
All of us armchair experts have tips and tricks in our arsenals. Here is one... use a tapered drift pin to pull and align parts, it won't damage threads and might save some drilling.
One last thing... go online to McMaster Carr and check them out. They can supply an unbelievable amount of supplies and tools for your needs. They have information about what things are accurately called and exact dimensions. It's like a tutorial for what a socket head cap screw is !!!! Best part is they stock what is in the catalogue and you get it the next day in the " Brown Truck " delivery.
Hope your beer was cold, you deserved it!!!!!!
Thanks Walt! Socket head cap screw… is that German for barrel head? ;-)
Humble Road , I am German and my friends do call be barrel head sometimes!
:-D
I believe there are different high set extensions available. Mine in my 2013 Airstream Interstate are about 2 to 3 inches lower then what I see on yours.
luv the crickets/background noise
You will have to let us know if you get a response from the manufacturer regarding the seats
I received an explanation from the distributor that I did not agree with. The reality is; I have a pair of stout swivels that work very well. Would I buy them again? No.
Ive just found your channel .... thoroughly informative, excellent filming & editing and to top it all your a very funny, relaxed cool Dude :-)))
Thanks for this fantastic video, so grateful i found your channel via Kenetubes build :-)
Thanks Gary and welcome to Humble Road!
The difference in the plate hole, and mounting may vary because of where the van seat box was manufactured. The swivel is from Germany, yes? So my guess is, it was made there, to fit a German made seat box. But that part of your Sprinter van may have been manufactured in Mexico, the USA or who knows where else.... China? So, may be this is where the non alignment originated. Though I gotta say, you’ve got all the right tools to fix the flaws. Well done!
R
The Swivel reseller insists that had I loosened the seat box floor bolts, as indicated in the ENGLISH directions, it would have been an easy job of aligning the bolts. They claim the seat box gets twisted once tightened down. I don't buy that theory. If the seat box is twisted or not is irrelevant.
🤪 don’t you just love it
Good instructional video. You are good teacher
Man that was a pain.they haven't check in to that would you have used them if you had any idea that was going to take that much time and frustration. Just don't thing that was well thought out by the seat company. Thank for sharing
I feel your pain man! Gotta wonder what the heck these so called engineers and product development people are thinking. Throw a product out into the marketplace with little research. ARggggg!
I install 12V electronics and the like into cars for a living and constantly see stuff like this. Dremels with a nice sanding drum make short work of plastics and making nice cuts. A little practice and a light touch is sometimes key. Hmm haven't heard the word "hassock" in a while That's what my parents called it up here in the NH state.
Good job on your project!
-Jon in the great state of NH
Jon- I have a dremel with sanding drums. But what would you recommend as a cutting wheel?
Dremel also makes a plastic cutting wheel the diameter is only about an inch in diameter and looks like a fiber metal cutting wheel. It has a thin kerf and cuts plastic pretty cleanly in straight lines. Now I also have a right angle attachment for working with some situations with space restrictions, otherwise I just use the regular Dremel, mandrel and cutting wheel. Another thing I use is a plunge cutting bit (looks like a drill bit), But it's a spiral cutting bit. This cuts fast in any direction, but it's not forgiving and can take out too much a times. I'll use it when I need to make a rough cut to clean up with a file. Best to take a scrap piece of plastic to see how the bits react. There might also be some molten plastic building up during a cut so use safety glasses and gloves if you can. Heck I'm only in NH and my wife is from NJ we'd love to see this project in person! Gotta take a trip to PA to visit my aunt soon too!
Good luck to you!
-Jon
"Sometime your the fly... sometime your the windshield." I love that saying! I'm going to keep in my pocket and use it for a moment when Needed. Hehe. My Dad, as well, has funny sayings that I've begun to write them down. After seeing your detailed work by using your "sculpting tool", you have me sold on the integrity and skill of your work, whether it's customizing minor details or major details. ...How do I apply for the protégé program? :)
Your are so right . Not plug and play. I didn’t have to drill mine out. I struggled with it for a while and got it_
I’m waiting to see what you do before grinding the skirts.
As I said, I want to find a small channel trim to finish the cut. I'll let you know.
hello! have you found a solution for the "parking hand brake" ??? good work!
I like the height off the front seats. I want to see everything when driving. Georgie, you are sooo smart! Ae your viewers your impetus, or are you driven off camera as well? If you keep going like this you will live forever, but...remember to watch your stress levels.
Whatever I delve into, I don't bother with the steps in the shallow end.. I walk right around to the deep end and jump in!
Ha-ha-ha-ha! That’s how my Kevin was...now he prefers to have his feet up.
Great finish! Now I'm wondering how you will do your own tweaks to the seats. 😀
You shall see!
love fighting brand new swivel seats george?
Its a good job you have the right tools and the know-how for this, how bad is the quality, if it was me it would have been in the trash can by now
Well, they are very heavy duty. Good solid material, just those holes! Now that they are installed, I bit of dry lube and they should improve with age.
Came here from watching your 8020 videos. You have a new subscriber, because of the QUALITY, DETAIL and CRAFTSMANSHIP you put in these builds. Astonishing. Thank you for the impressions.
*Can you say what kind of 8020 you use?* Is it 40mm, or 30mm? What kind of groove design do you prefer? In my part of the world, they call the design "groove 8, or groove 6", in your are it seems to be "profile 6 or profile 8" as an example. Surely you have a preference, and probably good reason for such a preference. It always seems to come down to weight vs. strength. In my are the "common" driver is limited by a max weight of the vehicle of 3500kg, unless an additional (truck) drivers license is made, which has it's own cost and additional regulations for the license holder. Since you build the vans with the dually axle, I assume your weight is above 3500kg?
Hi buddy. You might wanna squirt some threadlock onto those seatbelt nuts, or fit Nylock ones ?
Is it possible they sent a set for a different year than yours? Mine are supposed to be here next week. I'll let you know how the installation goes.
How about the additional height? Any issues? I may have the pedestals cut down, not sure until I have them in. Wife is 5'4". We'll see if she is comfortable. You know the old saying "Ain't momma happy, ain't no-one happy"!!!
How is the fore and aft motion for the seats? Is anything binding? Did the holes for the seat tracks align?
On another note: What is your source for 80/20?
The additional height with the swivel kit is 1.5 inches. In my PW, I store my waffle leveling blocks under the front passenger carpet. It's a great place to store them, and I can pile them as high as the lovely wife needs to feel comfortable. Thankfully, the seat tracks and swivel plates aligned close enough, no issues. The swivel and the seat tracks should be dry lubed periodically to keep 'em moving smoothly. I purchased ALL my 80/20 direct.
For edumaction ... the “ barrel” bolts are called “Chc” and the tapered bolts are called “F90”.
what did you do in the end with the side plastic skirts??
Watching your video, I see a need for a shorter seat base so the seat hight is not changed when you add the swivel. I have seen other videos with people complaining about the higher seats, usually wives with shorter legs, not good.
You are correct
Did you have to buy new seats or just the swivel mechanisms
Great video! Big help and much appreciated! You probably already know you can order swivel seats from the factory, and I understand they do not increase the height of the seats. Do you know how the factory swivel seat option compares with the option you selected?
Selecting the swivel option at the time of order is the most economically efficient course.
Those swivels will raise the seat about 2 inches too high. You may have to purchase lower seat pedestals from MB. Or have the originals cut down (someone do a video on this please). If you’re looking for the best swivel seats for the Sprinter, check out Alpine Mechanisms (Luftkraft fabrications) in Colorado. They only raise the seats a half inch, but are almost twice the price and there’s a waiting list.
Thanks for the resource Jon. I will def finitely check them out. If you cut down the driver's seat box, you will have to re-mount all those relays and such that live in there. MB does offer a lower seat box for their factory swivel offering.
In your "humble" opinion, would the increased height that the swivel adds (looks like about 3-4 in?) would it make it harder to drive for myself and my wife both vertically challenged (5'7" -5' 9")? Would you buy these again for your next build or is there a competitor you would try? Thank you for any help you can give.
The swivel kit adds one and one half inches to the height. IMHO, the swivel seats are a "must have" in order to expand your living area when parked. You can build up the floor or simply pile up your waffle leveling blocks under a carpet to get the desired foot height. I do that in my PW with excellent results.
George, the hand break that you mentioned on your other van, where the forward part of the break drops down, but, the break itself remains locked; How do you release the break, when your ready to leave, IF the handle is in the down position???
Toggle the handle upwards, depress the lock button and drop handle down to lower position.
Humble Road I guess being from South Jersey (Margate City), the water must be different, making me more dumber!! I’ve always been a “show me the procedure” type of guy, rather than trying to understand directions...but, once I got it, it hardly ever leaves me. That said, if the back part of the handbreak is locked, and, to release the forward section, wouldn’t you depress the release button and drop it down? Then, when you’re ready to leave, you said, “to toggle the handle upwards, depress the lock button and drop handle down to lower positions.” When you depress the lock handle, won’t that just disengage the front section again??
I'm getting a real education thanks
Is there adequate room between the lead edge of the driver's seat and the lower part of the steering wheel for legs?
Yes. It’s fine.
In the 70s I converted a Dodge van to a camper. I bought and replaced the 2 front seats with Captain chairs with swivels already built in to them. Very comfortable and looked great.
I am completely disgusted with this situation here. After installing these the handle and corners stick out so much they hit your legs when the seat is set back.
I spent this morning searching for other designs. Another approach would be to modify these to your liking. Keep the faith, stay the course.
You did an awesome job of guiding us through the process. I would be interested in knowing exactly which swivel kits you used. It seems like that kit is worth avoiding given the mods you have to use to make the driver's side kit work... unless alternatives are worse.
Thank you Don. After some research on line, it appears as though, in spite of the installer modifications required, this is the most sturdy, "non-wobbling" swivel out there. As I said, I am going for more refinement; smoother rotation and softer corners on the frame itself. I'll keep you posted.
Awesome video...does the swivel rattle when you drive? When someone is sitting on the passenger and the car is moving, will the swivel click or rattle in place? Thanks again for this video
Now swiveling, no rattling. Other than the bolt alignment, these units are very stout, very well built.
Hi George, just rewatching some of your early build video's and was wondering if you ever answered any of the questions that arose on this install? Would love to know if they got worked out.
Beyond the initial install, I have not looked back at those swivels. I am just now getting over the trauma of that experience....😛
I know I have to cut the plastic side skirts on the seats to allow for clearance at the lower settings. And some sort of ottoman (with storage) will help with the new higher seat position. Ideally, the swivels should be ordered from the factory, as they use a lower mounting box on the floor when a swivel is requested. And you can be sure the factory config is DOT approved, whereas many of the aftermarket offerings are not! Imagine having to explain that!
Good job! Now the swivel seats are in and sit higher is the head room still enough to be comfortable when in the driving position?
Danny Kaned Yes.
Would using a bar clamp to squeeze the seat base 'move' the holes in the seat base enough to align the holes in the swivel?
That would have worked to get the bolts in, but would that compromise the integrity of the seat box and it's welds? If SportsCraft can't get the drilling accurate enough, why not just make slotted holes? Or larger holes with a washer? Pretty simple fix.
Did you ever cut the seat skirt and find a trim for the cut edge on the seat?
Anne McCarthy I cut it carefully by scoring several times with a straight blade. The edge was fine after the cut. Done.
I’m interested in how you and where you made the cut as I’ve just fitted these swivels in my van. Are there any pictures?
For lubrication, I'd use a dry/semi-dry lubricant with Teflon (PTFE). I'd stay away from greases such as white lithium, and the like, as they'll attract and hold debris/dirt/gunk/etc.
These lubricants are affordable and widely available. DuPont's own multi-purpose lubricant is good, as are similar products from Blaster, WD-40, etc.
Whatever you do, don't use original WD-40. The 'WD' in the name stands for "water displacement", and it's a solvent, not a lubricant.
After looking at this design. I do think these swivels will improve with age.
I'M EXHAUSTED. .and I haven't even lifted a finger....LOL
What company did you get these swivels from...I don't want to use them.
🤣😂😆 sometimes you’re the fly and sometimes you’re the windshield!!
Hello George. Your presentations are fantastic. Question? I'm nine minutes into this swivel seat install. all of a sudden you are modifying the emergency brake cover because as you state "everything is lower". When did this happen? Did the kit come with lower seat bases or did you modify (cut down) the existing bases?
Thanks,
Bobby Craven
I don't remember exactly. I think there is an offset adapter for the hand brake which has it mounted slight lower. Also may need to readjust the brake cable. I'm pretty sure i mentioned every aspect of the install, but I can't go back to watch now, I'm editing tomorrow's video!
Humble Road No need to reply George. Offset adapter explains the reason for the mods the the brake cover. I wasn’t sure but Now I see the swivel plate is installed with the existing seat bases which means you set a couple of inches higher. I’m building my van from scratch on a new Promaster. Love your videos and explanations. Following every word.
Thanks,
Bobby Craven
Hi. Good stuff. Did you have to adjust the tension on your ebrake cable?
No need
Hahahahaha. I started to ask the question, could the seat belt have been attached first, and then you answered it.
why did you buy a driver side seat swivel if the couch / bed will be directly behind it ?
There is still room to use the driver's seat in a swivel position, particularly as a dining area for two.
I'm really enjoying your build series keep up the good work.
sprinter could be inconsistent with the holes rather than the swivels......
Either the drilling Sargent can't read German or he/she left the spectacles on his/her head 🙃 in any event it's a great experience....although, for the price....the expectation is to be met with precision. Let's us know what their reply is...or excuse👍🏼 it did cross this humans mind that they might have sent you a model for one of the other models or...maybe the packing machine got confused that day..😂 or! or! are they standard issue?mmmm me no know😆all good. Once again a delight to watch.
DRILLING SARGENT! HA! I LOVE IT!
These kits are a disgrace. Do you know if they've fixed them yet? At this rate I might as well make my own, but these are "engineer approved", although I'm not sure that would hold after having to modify them to fit.
This is why you spend the BIG $ for those swivel seats. I made my own.
Your "tapered" screw is called a flathead screw. Your "barrel" screw is called a cap screw.
Thank you!
Can you provide a link for where to purchase the swivel base? Thanks
I would not recommend it
where we can bought it please ?
Geez! What aggravation! When you edited this, and fast forwarded the drilling and filing, did you also remove the curse words? lol! I know I would’ve had to😂 you are so even- tempered, no matter what issues you are faced with, all to make this the ideal build. Keep up the good work and the videos of your progress. You deserved more than one beer after that😊
Would using the 1" 80/20 be strong enough for the cabinets?
With a few extra supports, 1" would probably be fine.
How much height add to your seating position? Is driving position comfortable? Is passenger's feet off the floor?(Let's say for 5'-4" passenger)
I was going to ask that too.
Lost On Land Again: so was I. I’m 5’2” and have some degree of difficulty sitting on normal furniture. My feet are never flat on the floor. That seat looks so high up, forget the foot rest, I’d need a step stool to get into it😂
The overall increase in seat height is 1.5 inches. It is substantial. I have read that MB has a shorter seat box available just for this purpose. Have to look into it.
Maybe the holes will line up better on the shorter seat box. They might have slightly different dimensions and that is what the swivel company designed their swivels to match. Just thinking.
I installed the passenger swivel a week ago. I’m disgusted because seat won’t swivel because of the seat skirt too low. I will have to shave them off with my grinder. I went on to other stuff for the time being. I really don’t want to do the driver side now. Main reason is I’m 6’3” and the swivel raises the seat 2”. I don’t like that. I love driving right where the seat is now.
you can remove the 2 inches from the seat stand. where do you live? i'd do it for you. it would take less than an hour.
Are you considering re-locating those electrical components in the driver's seat box? I'm going to take a look at that. MB does offer a shorter seat box for the swivel option they have.
michele vitarelli I live in Jax, Fl. I read in a forum where some were doing that . Cutting 2” out then welding it back, grinding the weld , painting it then reinstalling. Just seemed like a lot of trouble. Then I read where Mercedes sells the lower profile stands in Germany. Very expensive.
Humble Road not really, I’m waiting on you dude. I ve got plenty other stuff to do right now, lol.
It looks like the seats will be a quite a bit higher with the swivel base mounted. That could be a problem for some people I would think.
1.5 inches overall increase in height. It makes a difference! MB has a short seat box for just this purpose, I'm looking into it.
Magic
Georgie ! I was watching this video and saw u trying to shave that plastic trim with utility knife, super dangerous, there's a easier way, lookup plumbers copper pipe reamer, not the round one but the one with lil handle and curved blade. on it! much safer.😊
Thank you!
My wife says: Antibiotic cream now. Oh, and I determined the crickets are at your place, not mine. :)
:-D
If you're going to put batteries under the passenger side why are you assembling it ?
Because the battery is not going in until the end of September. I also want to use these swivels now to see if they are adequate and, as I suspect, will improve with age. Right now, the swivel is a little tight.
Somebody should make a monitor that fits around the lens like a ring light.....
its already been made. the phone companies are waiting to deploy it. they are drip feeding improvments so us consumers have a reason to upgrade. link here...www.extremetech.com/mobile/262497-samsung-patent-shows-phone-camera-inside-display
Whoa!
michele vitarelli that’s really not any different than what we have now except the display just notches at the edge. If you looked at your image your eyes would still not be in the lens. That’s why Casey Neistat always wears shades.
Samsung have figured out to plant the camera behind the display so its in the center of the dsplay. Its already possible. No sunglasses needed because you would be looking at the center, not off to the side.
michele vitarelli you might want to read the beginning of the article more closely. They start off talking about bezels and how the top and bottom are difficult and how Apple has the infamous notch. Then they talk about Samsung pushing the display to the edge with small gaps for sensors. It’s in the middle of the top of the phone, not the center of the screen. You can take a look at the patents if you’re still unclear.
On second look, not that much higher.
The biggest flaw with those bases is the height you end up with, your gonna look like a dork that's 7ft tall driving down the road. And those release handles for the swivel look like blades just waiting to slice up an unsuspecting calve muscle. I seen a guy on a another channel that put a full size recliner on the passenger side it could even be a swivel kind. I think I'm gonna go with that and leave the driver's side alone as I will be traveling alone. 💺😉
Building for a solo use is soooo much easier! I have a floor plan that I will be building for a solo traveler. The added height with the swivels is 1.5 inches. As far as the calf cutting blade, it's possible, won't know until I drive it. Once the futon frame is finished, I'll take a drive up to the CAT scales.