The Point & Shoot Market is BACK: But Why?
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Point and shoot cameras died a long time ago. Why is there a resurgence recently? And why are they so expensive now? They aren't vintage collectors items, they're just bad.
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It's the kids that never owned a camera before. They started with film cameras. Then film prices went up. Now they figured out old small sensor point and shoots look like film grain, so they started grabbing up those. Ditto with VHS and Hi8 video cameras, and now old digital camcorders. The P&S crowd latches on to particular models too, based on a bunch of UA-camrs.
I'm not going to stop watching this channel until Kasey reviews the Pentax 17.
And he is going to vlog on it 😅
He's gonna make a slow mo with it. You just have to supply the film
There's no autofocus.
There's no stabe.
We don't have the magic here.
It's useless for video.
But are we going to test it?
Yes we are.
I've got it. Was very skeptical but it turned out a lot of fun. I'll see how my first roll of Acros 100 II develops...
I've read that people around the age of 20 to 35 like the cheap point and shoot look because that is what the saw when they was young. Its kind of like the older gen that likes film.
iam 34 ..and yes i think thats true :D
@@MrPawnyou When I think about WW2 my mind thinks in black and white just because that's 90% of the footage I've seen on TV is in black and white.
When I think think of the 60's and 70's my mind thinks of washed out colors or a very low contrast colors. I grew up watching Star Trek the first show on reruns and watch Wonder Woman and Batman as reruns.
When it comes to the 80's film got better with better contrast and punch colors.
In the 90's colors got better and highlight recovery got better and more dynamic range.
2000's might be the same film from the 90's but Batman looks really good.
CCD sensors look like Film / My E510 at Iso 400 make amazing photos, and yes this is about nostalgic but also clinical pixel perfect is awful for most Art purpose.
@@DarkTrapStudio I've looked into the CCD look its not the CCD sensor but the color science they used back in the day.
Colton Matocha here on UA-cam did a side by side test of a Olympus camera with a CCD sensor and a CMOS sensor and only the yellow was a little different. Olympus is really good with color science.
leehaze1 also did a side by side test with a Pentax CCD camera and Pentax CMOS and only the red was a little different.
now there can be a different with noise and some people like the noise from some cameras as it can give a film look and Olympus is also very good with noise looking like film grain.
Interesting point and getting that early 00s vibe watching Casey.
that glitchy flip camera is the best, you didnt know what you had.
Kasey, not everyone is focused on making videos and obsessing about frame rate and color science. The nostalgia and ease of use. That's also why film cameras are coming back. Many people use cameras a HOBBY!
Spot on
Big facts
He's on your side though. He's annoyed that people who want this should be paying such prices for it. I've noticed it too. Point and shoots are easy for predatory up sellers on eBay to understand because they are single units, unlike interchangeable lens systems. Every month a bunch of side hustle people look at the stats they pay to access that tells them where the new uptick is, and recently, it's been in point and shoots.
Your point is totally fair, I just don't think you understand what he's saying. He doesn't care that you use a point and shoot, he cares that someone would pay two hundred canadian for a non-mint used one on facebook marketplace.
The stabe is better than on your A7Siii lol
I got a Nikon Coolpix S3300 the other week from the charity shop for £3. Googled and people are asking £100 for them. Tbf it does take nice pics with it's CCD sensor ;)
All the camera companies have stopped production of the pocket cameras according to Markus.
Now they are all collectables. I have 3 Samsung NX-MINIs and those sell for more than they were new. (They are awesome cameras though)
Inflation is the increase in the supply of dollars with no corresponding increase in the supply of goods. Thus higher prices. It's a crime
talked to the younger people at my workplace, she said the point and shoots are sought after cause everything these days is shot on phones, and there's a very obvious rinse-repeat look to that which is boring to them.
they're apparently just looking for something different, and the old digi look works cause its different and more authentic that way. These cameras have Tons of weird and bad camera manufacturer imaging decisions resulting in really weird inconsistent digital images full of individual character.
i can see it; like how this video was oddly more 'relatable' and fresh, compared to the usual modern high resolution image presentation.
I was giving drawing lessons, and this one kid had a sketchbook full of all these characters made out of little squares. Like 80's Space Invaders. It wasn't the first time I'd seen this. I asked him, "What is this?"
Pixel art. He found it more fun and interesting than today's super polished stuff. I grew up with that stuff and we all celebrated as it evolved, but for him, those old designs hold a similar appeal as dinosaur fossils or something. Nothing looks quite like it, that's for sure.
What comes around, goes around.
On a side note... Retired Propagandist, Ellis Medavoy, noted that over time, news media becomes more and more polished and people unconsciously start to disconnect from it because they recognize on a deep level that it's a dream, not reality. Rough and ready, (AKA UA-cam reporters), gained a lot more trust partly because they aren't polished. They're reporting from the same world regular people live in.
And because nobody gives this little factoid enough value, the UA-camrs who mod up to the best gear, (Hello 'Daily Wire'), enter that same dream-time stratosphere and begin to lose people in the same way. Old Jordan Peterson videos were garbage quality, but electrifying. Now they're over-produced, and slip into that same disconnected dream state.
Ah hipsters, and the ole band-wagon.
Gotta love it…and gotta do what the influencers do…
As some one from gen z that why I got really into film photography over the past year. I really enjoy the tactile nature of it. And getting to hold and the reward of your hard work. I develop everything my self in my bathroom.
As some one from gen z that why I got really into film photography over the past year. I really enjoy the tactile nature of it. And getting to hold and the reward of your hard work. I develop everything my self in my bathroom.
Totally agree, the second hand camera market is so weird right now.
My Canon A520 (4mp) cost me one euro 4 years back. It goes about 25-50 euros now.
You inspire me! I've just dug out my Tough TG-810...UA-cam stardom here I come!
I do find that point-and-shoots with a 16x optical zoom does have better images than my smartphone's 3X lens with digital zoom. However, close-up the smartphone outperforms. And it's nice to have a dedicated device that doesn't run on your phone's battery, nor does it have apps that make it sluggish to switch to the camera app.
It's so funny (and sad at the same time) that the author of the video and more than 90% of people commenting here completely missed the point and comments like yours are rarity.
I just like a pocketable camera that's not a phone. Whenever I run across one at a garage sale, I buy it. Last summer, two Fujis for $11; a month ago a SonyWX300 for $25. I'll keep buying them if they're cheap enough.
I agree they are good little finds if you can get them cheap its the nostalgia me for
One reason. The photos aren't automatically sent to the CIA via Google Photo App.
I have 3 point and shoots. A Sony RX100mk2, RX100mkV, and a ZV1. I don’t use the mk2, but the mkV I use for photos, mainly because it had a flash, and the ZV1 I use for videos. I rarely use my phone for photos or videos, mainly because there are no buttons or dials to adjust anything. The Sony point and shoots have dials and buttons like regular big mirror less cameras, and they take up no room in your bag or pocket. One of theses days I’ll find a deal on a mk7.
Sony needs to deliver a rx100 VIII, there is a market for pocket cameras
1 inch sensors will always better than a phone
Phones have 1 inch sensors now.
@@cameraconspiracies their quality is still lagging behind 1" sensor cameras. Poor details, low contrast, over sharpness and hdr ruins the output
@@cameraconspiracies the physical controls are the draw
Charles Veitch (the controversial bloke in England who does all those dangerous UA-cam videos confronting crackheads and protesters in Manchester) uses a Samsung phone I think, and the quality is pristine. I think it has a one-inch sensor.
@@cameraconspiraciesUsually more like 1/1.3 or 1/1.5” and just for the main camera.
much of the appeal is that they are kinda "mid 2000s y2k coquette recession core" -- AKA the cameras are a fashion statement more than a functional thing.
I bought a canon g7 ii a couple years ago from MPB, I looked recently and they will give me more money for trade in now than what I bought if for from them!! Its crazy…
1:45 - He sold a CCD camera with a global shutter for $50. I know the resolution sucks but that global shutter in video bro. CCD had no rolling shutter unlike today's CMOS cameras. To be fair, most are buying them for the unique color rendition compared to CMOS.
While I agree that CCD sensors had better IQ than CMOS, that applies to real stills cameras or cinema cameras. Point and shoots had very poor implementation, with bad lenses and even worse image processing. In short, you're not getting any CCD advantages from point and shoots. It's just hype.
from someone in the camera industry.... A lot of camera brands are only focusing on creating their core line up of cameras. This excludes all point and shoot models and that's why there are next to none out there right now. It's been crazy tough.. a lot of people are asking for them, I am asking the brands for them. A lot of the brands are not using the parts/production they have to make the smaller cameras.
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I found this out a number of months ago when I went to sell a couple Canon Cybershots on Facebook. I got TONS of messages and made way more than they were truly worth. I told the mid 20s year old girl who came to pick it up that I got tons of messages and she said these cameras are becoming very popular on Instagram/TikTok because of the vintage digital look with flash... Guess it's just another retro trend like polaroids. ALSO I came across a girl on Marketplace reselling point and shoots for hundreds of dollars after she bedazzled them with like 15 beads maybe and added some dumb keychain bullshit to the wrist strap... I think anyone who's got one collecting dust in a closet needs to unload them fast before these gen Z kids realize they over spent in order to capture their life events in shitty low res quality.
The ending... 😂😂😂
That was great- never knew Kasey could talk that fast and so accurately, trying to beat the dying battery!
Some "retro camera" UA-camrs have hyped up these point n shoot cameras and have contributed greatly to all this nonsense we are witnessing. Same with CRT TVs. Yeah, top of the line CRTs are great for specific purposes (pro level gaming, PS2 upscaling and outputting to CRTs, etc) but most CRTs are on their last feet with washed out colours and people are all of a sudden asking hundreds for them.
Ah your typical Greek abroad passing by at 8:04 😂
The same people who still buy VHS tapes. I'm guilty. I have my eyes on an HP from 2003. It's so weird looking you could probably convince an idiot that it's something fancy.
I would love to rebuy a Canon G7X Mark II, but they are 700 bucks! Got mine for way less than 5 in 2018.
the quality on that videos is surprisingly good 👍
I've got a tough tg4 and it's my go to holiday camera. I can snorkel with it, give the kids it and it's got insane macro capabilities.
You are absolutely hilarious! Love this channel! Cuts through the crap too.
I can think of many reasons to pick point and shoot cameras over cellphones. In most situations they are more versatile than any cellphone. They are small enough to fit in a pocket. Good to great optical zoom. You dont have to worry about some odd notification or call messing up your shot.
If you dont want to lug around a DSLR/mirrorless and a bunch of lenses. Point and shoot is a great option. The best camera is the one you have with you, so if all you have is your cell, its better than nothing. Id never recommend one as a primary camera though.
The sub $500 market for point and shoots is lacking. It's mostly filled with crap Kodak cameras that aren't actually made by Kodak.
Even the PowerShot ELPH 360 HS is backordered in B&H.
If I had a choice between damaging my phone, or a point-n-shoot camera... There are reasons a street photographer may want to use a simple point-n-shoot instead of a Fuji or Olympus. If you wanted to vlog outside on a rainy day, I doubt you'll want to take your Sony a7-III. You might if you don't care if it gets wet of stolen. Maybe if they made it nicer to get to a manual mode on smart phones I would use it, but some point-n-shoot cameras have better controls (buttons, dials) than a cell phone.
In the last 20 years I gave away or dumpstered a C64, a 286, 386 and 486. Various CRT screens, VRC's, cassette decks... All in all thousands of dollars in todays market. I sold my nvidia shares last year because I read something in Forbes that it was way overpriced.
This is what I learned in life: never sell anything, never give anything away. We thought hoarders had mental issues, but today they're all millionaires. All of them.
I still have my Betamax video recorder, it's over 40 years old!
So many aspects to this video. The prices for some of this stuff are stupidly insane, no doubt there. Many phones are way better quality than the older cameras, but many point and shoots are still inherently better than the phones, and for me, it's the zoom. Even if I bought the best phone on the market right now, I couldn't have real optical zoom I can get on my point and shoot. Frankly, I wish I bought a second one of my current/main point and shoot because it's literally better than the latest generation of it. The newer model is technically better, but physically, I've heard nothing but complaints, that the older one focuses better. It sucks too because mine is wearing out!
Nice auto exposure. I thought the CCD cameras were more popular as the colors were different, but they were phased out as the image was degraded at iso 800
They like those old cameras not for the vdo aspect but the photo.
I got my yongnuo 42.5mm in the mail, says 1ft to infinity, 52mm thread. Its simply amazing, i have no idea, but it will fit in muh bag.
A muh bag? 😀😀😀😀
I just went to japan and took a 2008 canon elph and yeah don't zoom in but the pictures look good! Especially they handle editing really well for a jpeg. I was kicking myself for not bringing my nikon d610 but i can't argue with how portable the canon is, fits in literally any pocket
Got mine for $5 at a garage sale btw, wouldn't recommend paying a lot for it
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Gen Z is obsessed with the Y2K video look but I think it may be more about the experience and the fashion. Taking pics with a phone is no fun. Any P&S is more engaging to use.
Yeah I want a camera that I can carry anywhere which I don't need to replace when my phone gets outdated.
Short form content has screwed up the market. People are doing anything for the content over at Insta, YT and tiktok.
OM System has a new tough system camera, lots of nice features
Love the content
I fly my drones at the brickworks maybe we'll see each other one of these days
My favorite point and shoot is the Samsung NX mini.
I still use it all the time. Does nice video, too. Best part? It's NOT A SMART PHONE (I don't have to mess around with frickin' Android and relegate myself to being a "Where are my files?" loser.)
The only thing is that you can't get live HDMI out of it, so it's no good as a studio cam. Plus they're insanely expensive on eBay and not made anymore.
No stealth vlogging possible with that orange backpack
I bought a Nikon P5100 (2007) a few weeks ago. The thing is mint, with only 246 actuations.
I paid forty euros for it.
because griii has market so lets keep up to that market
The fees and taxes have klilled the used market for everything, which was probably the plan. Also they are better than a lot of modern cameras in many ways, especially for the money (keep in mind inflation). The only thing that serves the typical consumer better than the 2000s canon point and shoots is the nikon 1 system, but since photographers didn't like due to sensor size it it's not supported now so a dead end.
Why? Because the best camera is the camera you have with you? Or because people can’t afford/don’t want to deal with film but still want a vintage vibe? Or UA-camrs like KingJVpes?
Such a cute town. Where in Canada is this. What province ?? 🤷🏻♀️
Probably some part of Toronto. Kasey lives around Pape and Danforth from what I can tell in his videos. There are some nice parks and neighbourhoods nearby.
ha ha ha an Olympus tough 6020... that's probably from 2010- a mid tere camera that probably had an msrp of about 250$ here in Canada. I didn't have one but I did have the 850sw, tough 6000, tough 8000 (10 years late), tough820, tg-860 and I currently have an tg820 and a tg6.
bro your intros always crack me up! 😂
Would like to be one of those drivers who see you crossing the street at 240fps 😆
It’s not the price for a camera, it’s the price for a piece of history, wich is no longer available anymore.
For videos, I'd take my s24 but for photos, I love the photos I take with my 10 MP LX7 more than my s24.
Omg slo-mo boy is really complaining about point and shoot cameras… why don’t you just use your phone to film these vanilla videos? People like the feel and satisfaction of actually pressing buttons and setting up a frame with an actual camera. So what if a phone can do the same thing? It’s about the joy and experience you get from using a camera as well as the images you can get from them.
I don't know about the used market but I have a Sony HX-99 from 2017 I still use on the regular and, yeah, in some situations my phone takes equally good or better pictures but for the most part it's both faster and easier for me to take better photos with the Sony than any phone I've tried. I don't care about video so I don't know about that part with either. Optical zoom is better than computed zoom and an actual viewfinder in the sun is far better as well. As for picture quality being garbage, well, not when you know what you're doing and keep your expectations realistic. I took pictures inside Luray caverns in May with both my phone and the HX-99 and, sure, on a small screen they look of similar quality. But printed out at 11x14 the phone images are noisy as heck and you notice out of focus areas. The camera images have more true to life color, depth and clarity as well as no noise when scaled up. Does my A7IV take even better pictures in similar situations? Absolutely. But it's also bulky and not easy to put in a pocket to walk around in a cave with. And I can't take an interchangeable lens camera into a concert without a press pass. Sure, ten rows back and the phone may do as good a job. But across the arena a real lens is better.
Olympus stab? What, it adds motion?!
How much is a Nikon d70 worth?
Old point and shoots are fun. Some are quite capable too. Yeah, they're not relevant, but why should that matter? Prices are hilarious for some of them, but that's the case with any re-emerging market with a limited supply.
I just send 14 point and shoots to a guy. Canon ixus 190 was one of them and probably the the best. Zoom and stabe was amazing but pixel peeping on the images made me puke. So I just gave them all to that guy. He thought it was worth a fortune. I cant stand those cameras.
My 1.8G absolutely does not have good microcontrast. I have never heard anybody else praise it for anything except cheap.
It is quite abysmal.
Compliments on promoting Greek music!
cant even find a new point & shoot on amazon or b&h...
tough TG7 Om Systems very capable and waterproof on both sites
JUST GOT TWO NEW CAMS AFTER MUCH
CONSIDERATION
BOTH SONY
RX100iii
A7iii with 28-70mm
Both feel different than The Nikon and
Canon, First New Purchase in years and
Pleased so far.
8:27 madam did not like you talking about that G lens so openly.. she is probably the one that brought it..
The point-and-shoot market is dangerous....🤣🤣🤣🤣
Careful crossing those seemingly harmless suburban streets 😅
Gonna start using my Mini-DV camcorder again, lol.
I’ve recently seen all those low price offers for the Nikon Z fc with a bunch of lenses and I thought I might be smart, buy them out and sell them at a profit. Until I realized it’s all people switching to the Zf and nobody wants the Zfc.
a new $90 lamp in 1950 would be $1200 now adjusted for inflation. That is part of the reason why antiques, instruments, art etc go up in value.
I bought a LUMIX DMC ZR3 for £40 and I know it should have been £15 😂 the photos look awesome though, video has creepy lines through it sadly
@cameraconspiracies nothing wrong with selling heart at market value.
"something has become collectable... I don't think it's collectable, so I'm underselling it.... I'm unsure why people are interested in it"
????
The crt tv's are expensive because people want to play their old game consoles on them in original aspect ratios.
What the heck are you recording on? The image is terrible. Lol
I’m rocking a Canon Ixus 100 IS and I hacked it so it shoots RAW
I have the Canon G7x Mk II, which I got used on Amazon for like $250, and now that thing goes for $700 and up. I have some much older point and shoots with CCDs. The GRIIIx, the highest quality and most recent point and shoot you can buy, really is an excellent camera.
I think the reason why these are so popular has to do with the de-digitization fad, people wanting to replace their phone's camera functionality with something simpler, and then, well, influencers and the 'it looks like film' thing.
30fps presentation is glorious, IMO 😂
Be great if go pros went up 😂
I don't get it either.
I'm sorry man, but what is Topaz? (2 lay zee 2 look it up)
photo editing software
@@Tatiacha Thanks
The Canon point and shoot are pricier because CHDK, so you can shoot raw with near every Canon P&S.
Ah hipsters, and the ole band-wagon.
Gotta love it…and gotta do what the influencers do…
🙄
All this is just hype by influencers that were first on the film band wagon, but once that novelty wore off and film got pricier, film influencers started switching to point and shoot for “the film” look.
Ah hipsters and influencers…annoying.
I see you hating on the point and shoot
but the reality is, watching this on YT, it looks as good as your A7S3
You just need to understand that nobody cares about slow mo
Because it's fun! Because worse is better than great when Ai rule the world. Life is too easy, hence the need for point & shoots.
I picked up a older leica clux1 its a nice little point and shoot got it for pretty cheap. Its just a nicer experience than using the phone. The gf and I decided we would use it for pics when we go places and actually print them out vs saving on the phone to never look at again.
It's dangerous when you can't slo-mo across the street.
Point and shoot market was a fine example of brands being unable to find the right formula for a product, failing over and over and finally giving up only to see how Fuji and Sony dominate the segment single handedly just by keeping on.
The general story of the Camera makers from my point of view was:
Step one: Make point and shoot cameras but limit the features not to harm the sales of their bigger cameras
Step two: keep on omitting the “video” features like unlimited video recording, mic and headphone jack, fast lenses, stabilizatiin, 4K, etc
Step three: start complaining that smartphones are killing the segment, where in fact it was them all along, crippling the products
film is back, explain that! peak photo dork in 2024.
I think its more about collection not about functionality or if these cameras are good.
Also there was this trend on instagram where people doing fake selfies with these old digicams with their faces on the displays of them. maybe thats why they became popular again.. like Hipster zoomers love to take analog photos nowadays.
Yo wtf, my Canon IXUS 85, which I think is worth €25 maybe, is being sold for €250? I am baffled
POINT and SHOOT 📸
Fit in pocket
Grab and Go
No Bag, Lenses,
Accessories….
Sometimes dont need
all that gear to get
Great shots.
Have GE X500 It
Produces surprising
Good Photos…and
Wasnt arm and leg
If that’s the case, then just use a phone.
All this is just hype by influencers that were first on the film band wagon, but once that novelty wore off and film got pricier, film influencers started switching to point and shoot for “the film” look.
Ah hipsters and influencers…annoying.
I know what happened. People are tired of the over sharpening on their phones
They're rare because they are landfill. I dug out a Canon S70 and took a few shots. Yuck. Msg me if you want it for $300.
This is oldskool vlogging at its best. Too many creators lose their way, when they start obsessing with sensors, lenses, colorgrading, slomo street crossings...
I don’t need a point and shoot. I have an iPhone
that was Arabic music.