Why Was 17th Century England So Far Behind The Rest Of Europe? | Baroque | Absolute History
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- Опубліковано 14 лис 2022
- The Baroque art tradition had spread across Europe, but England was still stuck in the middle ages. The renaissance hadn’t even taken hold in England by the time Caravaggio was finding his fame. But alas, it finally did arrive in England. It found its climax through a tour of London's Hawksmoor churches, and Christopher Wren's iconic St Paul's Cathedral.
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Whenever I visit St Paul's, I remember this, Sir Christopher Wren's epitaph, over his tomb in the nave I believe. It is in Latin, ''Si monumentum requiris circumspice.'' Translated, it says: ''If you would seek my monument, look around you. ''
That's beautiful
Yet he failed to give London the great layout of streets and avenues he'd planned after the great fire. He would have been 200 years earlier than Haussmann in Paris. Wren's plan was too progressive for RuleBritannia, that reactionary sinkhole.
While I loved all the tidbits of period info, the show is very random and unstructured. Ultimately did not answer the very question it poses, nor leave me with any sort of summarizable understanding about England during the 17th century.
I sorta agree... I have to say I'm not quite sure how Charles I's obsession with art _contributed_ to his downfall, as they claimed it did. I can see the themes of the divine right of kings etc in some of the art, but surely it was the _belief_ in that idea that was the problem (or one of them), & the art just advertised it? And I definitely don't see how the _level_ of his interest in art contributed- were people mad that he spent too much on art? I dunno, maybe I missed something?
England wasn't behind, click-bait title for anti-english Remainers or angry Brexiteers. I guess it worked 😂 in short England was separate from Europe and developed in a different way having different priorities.
@@beth7935 Art had nothing to with Charles’s downfall. Trying to rule without Parliament to impose religious uniformity upon the Three Kingdoms did.
I first saw this as only one part of a series on baroque over on the "Perspective Channel" - not sure how it ended up on this one - the advert early on for "Absolute History" was fairly cheap and didn't appear to be in context, the sound of the advert was awful. The whole series, though, is fabulous.
My own country, Germany, was drowning in war, got completely burned to the ground and lost about a third of its population. I think being stuck in the middle ages is not exactly staying behind. After all, if you're stuck, you don't move, you also don't move backwards. When societies collapse elsewhere not moving is being ahead in comparison.
The video is quite clickbaity, as he is only referring to England being behind in art and architecture. Obviously when it came to science, philosophy and mathematics they excelled.
Britain had two civil wars in the 17th c (English and War of 3 Kingdoms) as well as a big war with the dutch. It was no more stabile than any of the major Euro powers of the time.
I agree. Art is inherently elitist and should certainly not be supported by government, so the Puritans were right about that and they were right to behead an extravagantly artistic king.
There was no Germany before late 19th century... If I as a Serb would call entire ex Yugoslavia space in some remote time as my country this and that someone would call me a nationalist with teritorial preference towards other nation's lands... In fact up until late 19th century what is today called Germany was made up of numerous small states even independent towns, precisely because both people and aristocracy wanted to be like that. Free of central power, both church and royals
There was no Germany per se, but there were Germans. There was the HRE and within the HRE, there technically was the german kingdom, but the german kingdom as a political entity was very little nationalised and the german crown of the german kingdom was even more symbolic than the title and crown of emperor of the HRE. Plus, you automatically and always had both crowns, the imperial one and the kingly one. but something like a "Germany" did exist back then, there was just barely any centralised political authority within it.
Fun fact, an emperor to be, as the first thing they had on their to do list was always to travel around and "collect" the different crown that came with being the emperor of the HRE. The coronation as king of Germany for example always happened in the city of Aachen, while the coronation as emperor was always done by the pope in Rome.@@milanradovanovic3693
The English Renaissance happened in the 16th century. Sure, there was still resistance to the ideas, but calling 17th century England Medieval is ridiculous. The BBC technique of making highly dubious statements in a self confident tone is wearing a bit thin, here.
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We the dutch have had 3 wars fought mostly at sea with the english in the second half of the 17th century. They were most definitely not medieval
Is this a BBC documentary? I didn’t think it was.
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Thank you. For those of us trying to learn this information is priceless 😊
I love Medieval Brit houses! These are all over the place in lovely England and lovingly kept up by their owners who are proud to have these amazing houses. Of course, elites make fun of these wooden structures that stood strong for 500 or more years! How stupid of them all! This is true Middle Class housing and the only other place to do this the same way is Alpine Europe, too.
Those houses weren't middle class. They were the preserve of the genuinely rich. A middle class merchant or lawyer in London might have a small terraced 'quaint' house - but the free standing detatched half-timbered houses were basically manor houses that weren't actually part of farms. So usually owned by a knight or similarly ranked person. (in the 16thC)
Who are these "elites", and what do they go for, poured concrete utiliarian highrise blocks?
No need to be rich or very educated to appreciate beauty.
There is a thriving market for antiques, even rustic objects can be costly.
Beauty and charm speak for themselves. Anyone, even a small child can be fascinated by the exquisiteness of antique houses and want to enter and visit them.
@@valeriemacphail9180 So very well said!
@@michaeldavison9808 They were housing for the wealthy THEN. NOW it's middle-class people who own them. Most of those houses are way too small and quaint for the "Nuevo Riche". The charming little countryside villages where these houses have been lovingly cared for and preserved through the ages aren't mostly populated by the wealthiest elite these days.
Where are these "elites" who "make fun" of them?
A bit of a generalisation I would say. The 17th century was also the time of Newton, Wren, Hooke, Bacon, Hobbes, Locke and Boyle, among others.
Not to mention the naval advancements that dwarfed other nations of the time like Spain. Faster ships, better navigation, and streamlined naval logistics really put Britain ahead of other nations rather than behind, as was seen by their success in the 7 years war several decades later.
Blenheim Palace is like a mullet. All business in the front and party in the back.
Might one therefore say, in regard to the lack of artistic invention within England, that they were indeed Baroque-en?
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Mr Waldemar Januszczak is always engaging and informative, but in this video his cinematographic eye has reached new great heights. Thank you!
lovely pictures but mostly self righteous and cynical rubbish
@@johnmodra9543 clearly didn't actually absorb the information.
The candidness and immediacy of Van Dyck is astounding.
Every single time I find his films, I am hooked all over again! Thank you
The dissolution of The Monastaries was the greatest property crime on all history. And perhaps the greatest crime against art as well. So much went onto the fires.
You obviously are ignorant of WWII destruction.
and all that just for a spoiled brat to have his own way
@@michelleduplooymalherbe2837 Just like tyrants nowadays
I think the cultural revolution could give it a run for its money.
Greatest property crimes were Native Americans' land being stolen while they were brutally savaged and the flush diamond minds over Africa that were pillaged by colonists.
You should qualify in the title that you strictly mean with regard to art and architecture. Although in terms of the latter I'd strongly disagree. In terms of science and philosophy however, we had the great Hobbes and Locke, as well as Newton
It's click bait 😒
@@leftmono1016 it’s not even good clickbait, I mean there’s another episode they have titled something like “how and why ancient man began to worship the gods” then never once even slightly goes over how we started to worship anything, just gives another bland overview of Egyptian, Greek and then pagan gods that we’ve all heard before
Yes - The Renaissance began in Italy , however , the Age of Enlightenment began in England and Scotland
( rise in science , technology , human rights and democratic rights ) .
English Bill of Rights 1689
3:43 Indigo Jones 's Queen's House considered the most important little building in Britain ???
I don't think so.
Ditherington Flax Mill - 1797 - was the first building to use a metal frame - which lead to buildings being designed with non load bearing walls.
There’s so much bias too. If he just stated the facts I would have no problem, but I do not respect his opinions. He acts like the English monarchy wasn’t inbred themselves. He also referred to the royal observatory the first building in the world dedicated to science. But that’s an assumption. The dates also don’t add up, the Muslim cultures were building madrassas before the dates he referenced. There’s also no way to know if that’s the first building as most buildings that old don’t exist. His opinions and assumption are so annoying.
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*That's not exactly* a _little_ building, and I'm sure you know its iron structure was conceived not as a means toward curtain walls, but to eliminate timber framing and its attendant fire risk. Also, the word you want there is _led,_ not _lead._
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Ever see a picture of Carlos II? THAT is the ULTIMATE genetic mess. He makes Akhenaton look normal.
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Before the introduction of the potato famine was a regular feature of Northern European life. Northern Europe is on the edge of climate where wheat can be grown. That is why barley, rye and oats are more common foodstuffs in parts of Northern Europe.
Famine not only starves people, it predisposes them to infectious diseases which they spread to non-starving neighbors. Famine in childhood can permanently lower the child's IQ. Unstable population makes achievement in anything more difficult.
Normally, wheat can be grown as north as Scandinavia (I live in Sweden, my neighbor is growing wheat) but there was a problem between 1500-1750 called "the little ice age".
That unfortunately coincided with the Baroque and add in a mix of Puritans to it and there is not any surprise England got left behind until after Cromwell's death.
So yeah, you are certainly right about food being a huge problem which made the land a bit unstable at the time and it is possible the reason puritanism got so popular had to do with that as well but it was a bit unfortunate circumstances that made northern Europe unstable during the time. I think Denmark got the worst of it, not only were the country focused on agriculture in a normally pretty good climate but suddenly turning pretty bad, but they also got their best fields burned a couple of times during the 30 years war since Jutland is connected to Germany (and the Danish king upset the Swedish several times when the Swedes had at the time the worlds best and angriest army fighting in northern Germany).
At least England didn't get too much involved in that mess, an English excursion in the 30 years war could very well have turned things even worse.
@@loke6664 eh it depends honestly the 17th century was dominated by the French who were eclipsing Spain in terms of socio-cultural supremacy on the continent. You guys up north kinda stopped giving a fuck after the great northern war
@@SilenTHerO78614 That is true but the great Nordic war ended in 1721, not the 17th century.
When did Europe have a potato famine?
@@wolfrainexxx from my understanding i think it was just Ireland at least that is what they taught us at school back in the 70 s , but later in maybe 2016 I met an Irish lady who informed me the English caused the potato famine !! Poisoned the crops she said , it caused a mass migration that I do know as my ancestors moved from Ireland to England ,
Not saying England did do it but would not surprise me tbh
great video. my fave part is when the camera zooms extra close while he was delivering info. made me chuckle
It was even worse here in Japan. They were a medieval nation up to the late 1860s and they only changed because the Americans forced them at gunpoint and because of a revolution. And they went from a medieval nation to beating Russia in war in a generation and a half, literally rushing it from a medieval society to a modern industrial nation without going through anything resembling a Renaissance or baroque period. Literally the reason they are so backwards in certain societal issues: there are people alive who actually met people who lived through that change in the late 19th century. It's borderline in living memory.
Interesting, I don't know about that at all. Thanks for the information.
You sound like you have an axe to grind.
@@WiggaMachiavellian axe of history 😂 its exactly right. Pretty marvelous!
You know I never thought about that, the people who would've went through a lot of that change were around the age of my great/great great grandparents but my grandparents would've still grew up around people who went through all of that. Not Japanese but kind of crazy when you put it in perspective like that
@@nikkita1688 Describing people as 'backwards' involves a value judgement.
The post is also just plain wrong - Japan wasn't anything like 'mediaeval' at the commencement of Sakoku; they had adopted substantial gunpowder technology, attempted to adopt other technological and scientific advances (especially in medicine and commerce), had substantial interaction with European trade and religious missions, and implemented sweeping Neo-Confucian societal reforms which resulted in general centralisation and bureaucratisation parallel (and at least superficially similar) to movements in Europe in the 18th century. This has 'early modern' all over it.
The only sorts of people who would produce a post like OP's are ignoramuses and those with some generalised feeling of grievance against Japan or the Japanese. Maybe OP is a Mainland Chinese or a Korean (Koreans in particular have a penchant for describing Japan as 'mediaeval'). Or maybe OP is a disgruntled loser English 'teacher'.
The Hawksmoor bit was great! There is something very unsettling about his work.
Once again, a delicious, compelling, and very different clarification of history, presented excellently by Waldemar. Always going past deep insight into something thrilling. Much appreciated.
Excellent! Thank you.
I love history and history hits and has subscribed but left because it's all wars and I know that part of history but can we get more biographies and culture that would be great. Loyal customer/ subscribers
Hey for some cultures fighting and war was life.
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I love watching this guy. And this is probably the best I've seen.
Thats amazing, I based one of my collections during NYFW on the book "From Hell", we took all of that info into account designing the collection. Feels good to be validated.
Etihad airways?
Not entirely sure what this post means?
I was probably intoxicated. I did do a collection in NY based on prostitutes in 19th century London so I'm sure there's a through line in there somewhere. its a long video. watch it again.@@joelhall5124
Brillant, what a show and what a teacher. May the past be with you in all it's complex wonderment.
There may be certain things England took a while to adopt but to say they were "behind the rest of Europe" in the 1600s is a bit of an over simplification.
They really were though… so much they had to be less by France, Spain and Italy for them to change/ adapt
Yes, they were doing pretty well in the arts, theatre, publishing and anything maritime.
@@VanillaMacaron551 They were doing pretty good in terms of population and ships indeed, the two requirements to later build Australia, Canada, New Zealand and the USA from the ground up.
Well, in the one survey course in art history I took in college, which spanned European (and mostly Western European) fine art and architecture from the Carolingian era to 20th Century modernism, England was mentioned precisely once -towards the beginning of the course with a quick lecture on the Bayeux tapestry, which was technically not even English art. After that not so much as the name of the country was ever uttered again. By the time we got to the Baroque, I had the distinct impression that while England excelled in many important areas, art wasn't one of them.
Economically and militarily, "England" (or more like "Britain", or the UK) didn't surpass France until the 19th Century, after the Napoleonic Wars. So it may have been true that England was lagging its neighbors in the 17th Century, although I do agree this may have been a tad exaggerated.
Shakespeare - that name alone. I wish to God we had stayed “behind” the rest of Europe… Why does everyone today judge everything on “progression” and keeping up with fashion and technology?
Africa and other parts of “the third world” and remote island nations may seem to be “behind” but there are far more smiles and contentment.
ENGLAND need not have followed ANYONE…
This is a typical post-modern foreigner’s program if ever I saw one.
I love that the comment section respecfully disagrees with the video by sharing knowledge. I'd love to see a follow-up video on the things brought up on here because I'm now fascinated.
Loving all of the great docu series being licensed to share again. However, I am displeased by the vast volume discrepancies between the content and the ads. Not only does each new program require a different volume setting, but the ads kick the volume up several levels. For this program I am using headphones while sitting in a chair at my ailing mothers bedside. When the first advert began I ripped the headphones off my head, inadvertently throwing them over her bed.
Let's be honest.... The title given by Absolute History was deliberately deceptive to rope in unsuspecting viewers who've already watched the series. I find this deception in incredibly poor taste.
Use ad block. Absolute history has no control over ads
Bah. It is free to watch. I love it.
The clues are in the materials used in buildings. Hampton Court is a brick building because stone is in short supply in that part of England whereas clay for brick was a bit more abundant. Even where early buildings were built of stone, The White Tower, they were small blocks which were easier to get and transport. I fear that Mr Januszczak has confused the economy with the intelligentsia. England being a mainly puritan/Christian society saw absolutely no reason to emulate the styles of mainland Europe. There have been plans to rebuild London, especially after 1066, on a more broad street plan with more fire proof buildings but all have fallen before the interests of the landowners. Landowners needed to have spare cash and the land to build places like Hardwick Hall.
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Great video 👍
These documentarys where shown on terrestrial TV in England/Britain & is why the production quality's so professional... The presenter's always on art history programmes on television, a lot of the time....
Well, kicking out the Catholics didn't help. An abbey could have architecture, industry, education, social services under one roof so to speak. It took a while for these things to recover.
Of course it helps to kick out the catholic church, doesn't mean people can't practice it. Just look at the development difference between Italy and the Netherlands. The telescope invented in the netherlands was widely used and let to the development of binoculars and microscopy. In Italy it got no where and the inventor got prosecuted. It's commonly know that the catholic church slows down development they still do.
The Catholic church viewed science as if it was an act against God. So it makes perfect sense why they lacked scientific advancements, not much has changed honestly.
@@Hooibeest2D bro, the founder of the 'big bang theory' was a Catholic priest.
@@onii-chandaisuki5710 hahaha yes and the one who wrote the book about genetics to. Those are exceptions, the catholic church wants to keep people dumb and easy to exploit. By far the worst religion of them all. We had to fight those papel idiots for 80 years to become protestants, after that things got better fast! Than the Roman church returned and things got worse. Really the whole black and white good and evil their a satanic bunch they are.
@@Hooibeest2D that’s actually a myth, in contrary the protestants were more anti-science than catholics.
You could almost say, Charles1 probably started the high art in England
Except that's not the case
Lovely video. Does anyone know which piece was playing in the introduction? It sounded really nice, thank you 🙂
41:20 LMFAO at the description of Grinling Gibbons
The fire in 1666 helped things out for London because they had to build back in a more modern way. Something similar happened to Chicago in the 1880s with the help of Mrs. Leary's cow,
Fire the great equalizer after the plague
He talks as if no other European cities had architecture like London, Dresden and Hamburg were famous for their wooden buildings... Well until bomber command made them make alternative architectural choices
Isn't it an odd coincidence that one of the most important cities in the world was set on FIRE in the year 1666? Like, drop the 1 from the year number, and you get 666, AKA: "The Mark of The Beast", which damns (Barrier, not the curse word) anyone who takes the mark into eternal damnation in The Lake of FIRE! Isn't it too much to ask if that year, and London burning in HELLISH FIRE are somehow related? Like, if it was deliberate?
Tokyo should also thank Americans for helping them renovate and modernization. 100,000 incinerated was a small price?
@@chriscarrol9373 would have been a lot more than that if they didn't drop the bombs. Japanese were not going to surrender so either 100,000 and a warning of what nukes can do or a massive arial campaign followed by a land invasion, which would have killed a hell of a lot more that 100,000. The right choice was made. Hard to feel for the Japanese anyway seeing what they did to POW's and especially the Chinese. Those that lived through the rape of nanking were cheering on those bombs.
My mother owned a beautiful 17th Century cottage. "Rose Neath". Thatched roof, beams the works. But it became unstable and had to be razed.
Very sad 😔 about that.
Thanks for the videos.
I enjoyed the sort of Gonzo History approach in this video. Very entertaining!
This guy usually irritates me, but this is already the best art history doc I’ve ever seen 2:41
I forget what his names is now... Tried looking in the description but, it doesn't say... He's always on art history programmes on terrestrial TV in Britain.... I thought that it was Simon Schama but, that's someone else....
I'm pretty sure the Royal Observatory was pre-dated by a number of purpose built scientific buildings in the middle East.
And in Peru.
He should have been more accurate and said it was the first scientific built explicitly on early proto-enlightenment principles. But yes you are correct.
The documentary is specially about England, Nielson. They’d consider you an apostate and harass your wife into marrying a Muslim anyways lmao
Not sure that I buy that England missed out on the renaissance. I'd always read that Henry VIII was very competetive about England's status as a seat of learning and culture... to the point that he is often referred to as a real renaissance prince and king - which was at the start of the 16thC.
According to the introduction England's Protestantism is quoted as the cause of rejecting all learning because it rejected iconography and papal infallability. Well, I personally consider rejecting the dark ages of superstition and embracing new technologies like movable type were signs OF progress, not stagnation.
Yeah, I'm entirely ignorant on this topic, but I've also heard Henry VII being referred to as the first Renaissance king of England- he employed the Italian Renaissance sculptor Torrigiano, as did Henry VIII. I've heard James IV described as the first Scottish Renaissance king too. There's no clear yes-or-no answer on stuff like this tho.
Rejecting centuries of catholic superstition and beliefs doesn't automatically make a sign of progress. If anything it was highly regressive. The rejection of centuries of social change and reverting back to just Biblical interpretations under Cromwell (no christmas, austere churches, royal and government art stripped and sold etc).
It was the decline of the monarchy under Charles i that truly killed social advancement
@@binanocht6110 youre doing a lot of historical shortcutting here. Henry viii hated the economic and political power of the church, and wanted it for himself and his allies. The Anglican church under Henry was pretty much identical to a Catholic church except for the head of the church which ceased to be the Pope. The Anglican church maintained many aspects of catholicism including Episcopalianism (rule by bishops), as well as various ceremonies and practices. Spending on the arts under the Tudors was huge, and continued under the Stuart dynasty. Massive pleasure barges, sculpture, paintings, palaces, jewellery etc. Infact seizing church assers to sell helped cover this debt. The mass purging of art at a societal level as well as social prohibition on artistic spending is particular to the interregnum, near the tail of the english Renaissance
@@binanocht6110 also check out the sums henry spent on feasting, jousts, tournaments, parties, etc and tell me he hated xmas...im waiting 🤣
@bina nocht Are you maybe mixing up Oliver Cromwell- Puritan leader of England during the Interregnum, who passed the anti-xmas laws- with Henry VIII's minister Thomas Cromwell a century earlier?
Brilliant!
Brilliant, entertaining series
I'd totally get married in a Hawksmoor church...preferably on Halloween night.
England had her days again starting in the 18th century
Fascinating ❤
He’s so enthusiastic about broccoli it’s inspiring
17th century England was far behind the rest of europe
Russia: hold my vodka
@ 38:25 ... "Sir John Vanbrugh ... had the biggest of big hairdos."
It was a wig, not a hair-do.
Waldemar Januszczak's presenting style reminds me so much the one of late Philippe Daverio
I love the music.
So was the question answered? "Why Was 17th Century England So Far Behind The Rest Of Europe?". What is a brief answer?
I had been asking myself that same damn question?!?!?
simple answer, it wasn't so much behind as distinct. The Thirty years war was going on in Germany, art still made it through, The French and the Spanish were at it hammer and tongs. Art is an individual taste but I suspect these programs are more to do with the fact that we aren't in Europe, but we can never be discounted from the political scene.
The English channel being on an island they were insulated. They were always fighting with Spanish and french
Basically it wasn't behind at all. He seems to jump backwards and forwards around a hundred years at a time it's jibberish in terms of linear history. English art and architecture (much as warfare) was unique, and, much as other countries find, financial hardship puts art to the back of the line
English architecture is garbage ! They never created something original .Even Romanesque came from the Normans. No wonder they were stuck in the middle ages.
Jesus effin Christ!!! Can't someone just make it simple and give Waldemar his own exclusive channel? He always appears in these art history series alongside various other presenters, and, truly, no offense to any of them, they'reall brilliant, but my god does he eclipse them all. By a wide margin. It's too much of a chore to go through all these series and channels to find him. Please, please, just curate all his stuff onto a single channel. That's all I want. That's all WE want. Just see how many up votes this (relatively late, 335 comments as of posting) comment gets over time . . . One month from now. A year from now. Five years from now. Hopefully we won't have to wait that long . . .
It's the continuous obvious innuendos for me 😂
Waldemar Januszczak's YT channel is called Perspective. This channel (Absolute History) is an odd collection of old Channel 4 and BBC history docs, etc., that are mostly uncredited. Dunno how this channel avoids copyright strikes from YT unless they pay someone to rebroadcast them.
@@chegeny Waldemar has made many of those programmes. I worked with him for a while nearly forty years ago and I still can’t pronounce his surname!
Fun fact about Queen Henrietta Maria: the US state of Maryland (essentially where Washington DC is located -- though it is not part of the state politically, of course), where I lived for many years, is named for her.
Its like the revealing of the commision paintings were like going to the movies 11:05 . Each picture its own story.
It’s sad to see that so many comments here haven’t watched the video at all. As the video shows, the baroque did arrive in Britain with full splendour and beauty. Please watch before leaving rude comments 🤦♂️
But the way he talks about it in the first few minutes is so off putting. The video shouldn't include that commentary at all because it's supposed to be about history, and idk many people into history who would say such things just a few minutes in. So I think leaving rude comments is ok because history should not be talked about like that - I personally was not taught to view history that way, so I only watch videos where they fully realise that.
I managed to get nearly half way through before giving up and coming to the comments
You should really make it clear you're referring to art, because in every other regard, England was ahead of the rest of Europe.
Had no idea that Ruben's ceiling existed. What a crime that Charles I died for his love of art. That the Carvagio didn't stay in Britain is almost a greater crime.
@4:39 I haven't seen someone with a consumer camcorder in well over a decade! This must be from the early aughts.
Everyone in the comments is so upset lol. It's just an art history documentary, and an old one too. Maybe the title is bad?
They're protestant Heretics 🤣🤣 or scooby doos they need to get over it England was founded by Catholics
Tell me you know nothing about the 1600s without telling me you know nothing about the 1600s.
2:30 boy they really did a good job rebuilding that after Thor and that Space vampire donked it up.
when was this filmed?
very interesting history of Wngland
The answer in one word: Protestantism. Protestantism was so completely opposed to anything that might be considered idolatry or iconography that it was pretty much opposed to beauty, too. Churches must be plain, focused only on preaching. Down with stained glass, statues, gilding, painting, and shrines! Note that the Baroque never took off in the other Protestant parts of Europe either, such as northern Germany, the Netherlands, and Switzerland.
Can confirm, most Dutch protestant churches are just buildings with wooden furniture. But the best and most beautiful thing has been kept regardless: the organ and it's musical greatness, especially combined with choirs. That alone trumps any art, statues or stained glass.
The Anglican religion was if anything more latitudinarian than Catholicism when it came to non sexual enjoyments and in particular to art and luxuries. Calvinism was against them but in England except under Cromwell, it remained an oppositional religion mostly vindicated in the lower classes, and a barely tolerated one : the most adventurous rather counted on America for the expansion of their faith.
Sir you are an ignorant ! Baroque was very common in all Germany, even protestant cities like Dresden and Leipzig. Berlin was a very advanced city in architecture!
@@MrMirville And you only have to look at the Bible Belt today to see that we were better off for strongly encouraging (ahem!) the more extreme Dissenters to seek a new life on a new continent. They like to claim that they fled persecution in England and Holland, but in truth most wanted lands of their own where they would be free to persecute anyone disagreeing with their particular sect.
We owe a bloody big apology to the American First Nations, though.
Opposed to "beauty"? it's in the eye of the beholder - v many folk love the minimalist Japanese artefacts which were born out of poverty and necessity! So apply that to protestantism please.
I love your documentaries but the differences in sound in the adverts is painful :(
Great program. I never noticed how much the US Capitol resembles the dome at St. Paul's.
not unintentionally, though the capital dome is constructed completely differently
@@AsbestosMuffins Sure looks inspired to everyone but you and Stevie Wonder.
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in turn you could argue that St Paul's dome was inspired by St Peter's dome in Rome
@@stephenchappell7512 If I said that it would be true. Why are you being so obtuse?
@@StanSwan
Who's being obtruse?
I actually agree with you
I just pointed out the
possibility that St Paul's
in turn could have been
inspired by an earlier
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Used to work at the Queen’s House at the Royal Museums Greenwich! Good times there, the grounds are beautiful. Im always astounded at European architecture as an expat we just dont have it where im from, just boring 20th century concrete buildings
yeah europe has the best architecture in the world
Lots of European cities were very badly damaged in WW2. British cities like Plymouth and Coventry were nearly levelled by German bombing and were rebuilt quickly in concrete after WW2
I’m from Europe and currently living in Korea. Now whilst there are many great things about Korea (and the traditional architecture is gorgeous), honestly I severely miss being surrounded by historical architecture from many different periods. Something I always appreciated and loved, but now sorely need 🤣
@@DJRockford83 Liverpool was the second most bombed city after London.😢 A children's maternity hospital was hit too , killing all the newborn's and mums 😢 awful.
That palace in 1:06 seems familiar. I think I saw it in a movie. Correct me if I'm wrong but did that building appear in Game of Thrones?
What is that golden statue above the fireplace at 15:33?
The great Waldemar!
Было интересно посмотреть, ну, и пополнить свой словарный запас английского 🙈 👌🏻
Lov as a sweeping statement, does Waldemar...
Dobson was probably one of van Dycks apprentices that stepped into the role when his teacher died. Obviously the royals would not want to publish the fact the apprentice was now the court painter. I could imagine the king screaming " find someone, we need a court painter. I dont care if its van Dycks dog, just get someone who can paint like van Dyke".
First sentence 'Higgildy piggldy houses' well I happen to like them - as do millions of Tourists every year who come here and swoon over our Villages and places like the Cotswolds. There's more than one kind of art mate....
Waldemar practises something called 'irony'. Google the word if needed ;)
The renaissance came when the centre of the Silk Road trade route shifted west, away from its previous natural homes in the nile delta and the dardanelles, as the tendrils of trade spread to the new world.
You can track it as you track successful colonies. The entrepots and trade exchanges which lit up to the west did so as new colonies came on board. England was late to that party versus the Latin countries. But boy did they make up for it.
I will say I agree with the general argument; with perhaps one or two exceptions. You can see/ feel the renaissance in Oxford and Cambridge.
Dude
The Silk Road trade route pre dates the renaissance
was China to Europe going down into Africa
and has nothing to do with The renaissance loled
The link of that was in Ephesus a trading port area !! . in modern day turkey
@allmightlionthunder5515
Think you missed the point. yeah the Silk Road does predate the renaissance. I didn't say otherwise.
But it has everything to do with the renaissance- because the renaissance relied upon the trade routes either extending the Silk Road, or undermining the Silk Road centres of commerce. Depending on which way you see it. It was all east west- its just ships could go *round* Africa to the east, instead of through Asia- cheaper- faster- ie Holland and Portugal rose, ottoman power fell.
Then the whole thing shifted with the americas- western European ports became the wealthy entrepots rather than constantinople and Cairo.
@@elbapo7 Ephesus?
In the sixth and seventh centuries A.D., a massive earthquake and the harbor's continuing decline left Ephesus a shell of the city it used to be, and Arab invasions forced most of the population of Ephesus to flee and start a new settlement.
That question is still relevant today.
Why are videos I put on my "watch later" list from you unavailable after a few weeks? Do ou have a "only 7 days" policy?
I am not aware that it was, Captain Cook mapped the pacific, Isaac Newton discovered gravity, the birth of astronomy, the birth of modern medicine and how the human body worked, George Washington englishman travelled to what would become the USA etc. etc. etc.
Uh, Captain Cook mapped the Pacific in the 18thc- Aussie here, trust me! The 18thc was the 1700s; this doco is about the 17thc, which was the 1600s, & if you got that muddled I'm not laughing cos I have to stop & think about it myself.
The Portuguese and the Spanish mapped the world. Copernicus and Galileo created modern astronomy. George Washington never traveled. He was a native Virginian.
The mapping was made by Magellan and the first navigators. In physics and astronomy the great discovering s come from continental Europeans.
Babies discover gravity, not just little Isaac. He was a genious, but the mathemization of physics had already happened in the Dutch Republic, just a mapping most of the pacific, astronomy was mostly Dutch and Italian and the British were late to that party too. Same with anatomy and medicine.
The 18th century was British, but the 17th century was Dutch. A good attempt to catch up like the Royal Society, the individual genius of Newton flatter the English 17th century, just like the idea of the current constitutional monarchy and bill of rights being the product of an English development over centuries and a revolution rather than a foreign invasion and occupation.
I guess we were too busy kickstarting the Industrial Revolution and the Royal Society.
And kiddy fiddling,
I definitely agree that the tiird one is most functional though it is indeed too busy looking with waaay tp many colors and textures. I wiuld definitely love bigger windows that dip slightly lower sp you can directly see outside into the gardens or yard. I wonder what your thiughts are of smashing down the wall into the dining room or you want to keep the kitchen area amd dining space separate. If youre okay with it, then an island isn't impossible. If youd rather separate those spaces, then like other have mentioned, perhaps adding a moving island, a peninsula, or a wrap around with a breakfast nook in the back and opening the longer wall to windows so you can enjoy a very nice view of the outside as you eat. Loll just my thoughts!!! So excited for you!!!!!
Seems like you are describing the Palace in Versailles by Louis the 14th
My only reference to this time is the Black Adder special.
Wondering how much building of the navel affected the amount of wood available for building encouraged the turn to stone. ??
Too much navel gazing!😆
Stone is not flammable.
Nero did the same remember
Before he went to Horus, that was a crude diagram of a vulva.
Wow. Interesting.
Really a material of a remarkable quality and fascinating. Quite extraordinary in the ocean of rubbish on the net. Thank you, Waldi! And... don't you worry about some bitter (stiff and boring?) comments below. Perhaps your family name being Roberts, Williams, Taylor or even Greenberg or Ahmad would it attract an appreciation of more fairness? ;)
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This is probably why the British Museum is full of everything but British things.
You can see online where the items in the museum come from. They have more British artefacts than anything else. Also what you said was never mentioned in the video.
You are wrong in that claim.
Finally able to put my finger in it. He looks like Nick Frost!
In your professional opinion what was wrong with 17th century England: “it was all higgledy piggledy!”
Oh well maybe apart from the religious reformations, civil wars, political rearrangements defining modern democracy, having the largest navy in the world which began expanding the country to become and empire and the fact that houses cost money so only rich people had nice ones (what a different time to now, complete culture shock to imagine such barbarity) then yes I suppose it was behind?
You're very clever but this is a programme about art...
@@alfsmith4936 If you think Art is entirely seperate to any or all of those things I mentioned then I hope you have a nice day
@@judechauhan6715 Rich people could afford it. That's why they bought French..
Yes -- but in terms of literature, law, constitutional issues and science - 17th century England was THE world leader. It was in the 18th century that the rest of Europe fully recognised that, but recognise it they certainly did.
I'd say in the 17th century the Dutch were probably more advanced but by the 18th century England/ Britain was 100% the leading power in most things
@@pigeonsareugly the Dutch wars were disastrous for the English but they learnt the lessons well and emerged with a stronger navy and empire
World leader in witch trials, necromancy, alchemy, plagues and piracy.
The Netherlands, France, Spain, Italy and Germany were far above England in literature, painting, architecture, philosophy, sculpture, music, food, fashion. 😂😂😂
You'll first need to learn a pinch of other countries' History before you can get freed from your stereotypical delusions.
Not a word about the great composer GF Handel
Damn!!!! That's right down my road!?!? What the truck!?!?
Shoreditch and Old Street
You are sure to get a lot of English nationalists triggered by that title. And I am here for it.
Do you think the title is correct?
What an extraordinary assertion! Britain (or more specifically England) was too busy forging ahead where it counted to concern itself unduly with Continental stylistic fads, by 1700 far surpassing (alongside the Dutch republic) the rest of Europe in economic terms and (less laudably) in per capita geopolitical clout: this was a nation not yet of shopkeepers (they'd come in the 18th century) but of agrarian innovators (not even the famous ones), merchants and accountants with little time for artistic frivolity. The notion that the Renaissance hadn't yet arrived there is if anything sillier: England may have been otherwise engaged in the 15th century, but in the 16th it was very much a part of the European cultural mainstream, for all its embrace of a peculiarly national variant of Protestantism. And while Wren's parish churches are rightly considered gems alongside Europe's surviving baroque townscapes, those fuddy-duddy Tudor houses remain more likely to set hearts aflutter than than the monumental mock-classical brick that is St Paul's, best revered as a heroic icon amid the devastation of December 1940 rather than as a model of design taste.
Not alongside the Dutch Republic but about a century behind, and the Dutch did a lot of painting and architecture. Especially paintings, millions of them were produced, ordinary people had paintings, those were for sale at the market between the butcher and the textile stand. They were shopkeepers, highly specialized shops for anything. Those religious tolerant protestants, real protestants in the sense they had actually protested than declared protestant top down by their king, mainly were accountants and merchants and the agricultural revolution wasn't British either since it happened in Britain later.
@@DenUitvreter Not significantly behind economically by 1700, and probably ahead by 1750, certainly shortly after: the Dutch of course excelled in art, and were the source of much of the agricultural innovation adopted in England in 1650-1750, but Dutch growth slowed after the disaster of 1672 while England forged ahead after the demographic setback of the 1650s-80s. It's fair to say they were jointly ahead, the Dutch leading in the 17th century, the English in the 18th, and England wouldn't have enjoyed quite the success it did without "borrowing" ideas (and later capital) from its near-neighbour across the water.
‘Rest of Europe.’ I mean, England and the entire British Isles in general are not even really part of Europe to begin with. Being separated from a continent does indeed lead to a lot of isolation and cultural differences, and also is part of why England in particular experienced Renaissance ideas much later than any part of continental Europe (besides the Balkans and Russia).
6:50 The music is very annoying.
Now, that "higgledy-piggledy hotchpotch" of medieval buildings is considered charming tourist bait. The SIMPLE reason for less art? Extreme protestantism/Cromwell.And it all depends on WHAT art--they had Shakespeare, Donne, Milton, the greatest of all POETS.
The century of Newton?? England wasn't "behind" Europe. It was busy creating the conditions which would allow it to take off and surpass the rest--i.e. getting rid of an absolute monarch, creating a Bill of Rights, creating SOME religious tolerance, and establishing Rule of Law. France was "ahead" because they were establishing the absolute monarchy that led to the Revolution, and they'd driven out the Protestants. Spain and Italy were slowly declining--arguably because of the authoritarianism and lack of literacy fostered by Catholicism. Taking a snapshot doesn't show the big dynamic picture.
Well said😊