You are being MISLED about EPOXY GARAGE FLOORS...
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- Опубліковано 18 чер 2024
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0:00 - 4x Stronger than Epoxy?
0:25 - Three Day Epoxy Garage Floor system
1:02 - DIY Water Based Epoxy
1:50 - Vapor Barrier Epoxy & Polyaspartic Flake Garage Floors
3:00 - One Day Polyurea Garage Floor System
3:46 - One Day Garage Floor Companies are Misleading You
4:08 - Does Epoxy turn an Amber Color?
4:18 - Do Hot Tires Damage Epoxy?
4:36 - Is Polyurea 4x Stronger than Epoxy?
4:52 - Polyurea is not 4x Stronger for Vapor
5:15 - It Just a Sales Pitch
In today's video I'm going to show you 4 popular ways to apply a concrete coating to a garage floor and then I'm going to explain how One Day garage floor companies are misleading you about epoxy garage floors.
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Great video Tim. I have to go through this explanation to at least half my customers. I can tell when they call that they've either been on the Googles or talked to a polyurea salesman. I appreciate this video and will link to it on my website, with a caption like "In spite of what some other doofus told you..."
I’ve had a water epoxy coating on my floor for about 15 years I did myself from two 1 gallon cans of craftsman garage floor coating. It’s gray and looks boring, and I regret not doing flaks and a poly top, but I was a kid when I bought the house and it was honestly a budget project to protect the concrete.
It has held up pretty well. There are some indents where jack stands spent prolonged time digging into the paint, but I’ve never had a problem with moisture causing bubbling (the slab is 8” thick, raised 4” above grade and the concrete driveway is pitched to line up with the garage floor evenly for water runoff) and while there is no peeling from tires there are definitely marks where tires have made contact.
Overall it has done its job to project the floor from oil spills and it is a breeze to clean compared to bare and even sealed concrete. But as I said it’s a pretty industrial pasty gray color with no charm so I would recommend to anybody that does a floor to add flakes (especially if you have imperfections in the concrete) and apply either a clear epoxy coat or if compatible with your sub epoxy chemistry, a poly coat. I don’t know about doing it all yourself but at least the base coat without flakes was totally within my capability to prep and evenly apply.
Great video! You've raised important points about polyurea and polyaspartic coatings. Have you considered using a fast-drying moisture vapor barrier epoxy primer as a base coat?
Excellent info. Used to sell for a top notch 1 day company who is great to stand behind the product. Any problems always boil down to inadequate grind and/or days with too fast cure time for the poly. Your point of the tinted epoxy vapor barrier base followed by a day 2 poly top coat is spot on. Great system and the slower cure time on the base offers great grab if the grind is good. Charge a premium for the “best system” for longevity. Just warn that the epoxy is going to smell quite a bit for the first bit in comparison.
What an awsome video to explain the differences in products !!! Been thinking about tackling my own floor. I'm somewhat handy with a lot of things but the problem with making a completely smooth service without having a grinder with those high dollar diamond bits it won't look like yall did the floor. If u consider what it would cost to rent one and all the different items needed for prep it probably wouldn't take much more just to have a professional outfit do it.
You have great content. For a garage floor in northern illinois, which coating would you use?
Thanks much for all the information.
This is a great video. Thank you!!
Great information. Once you have a nice garage floor, you'll never going back to having a regular garage floor.
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Very informative. I appreciate the breakdown and comparison. Too bad you’re not located in Southern California
Great video! Does your business charge a down payment before performing work on floor? I’ve noticed a big split on companies for and against it
Great video! What about VOC content? Is there any difference? Also, in your opinion grey + black + white flakes Or grey + dark grey + white flakes? Which is the safer bet?
You said in the video that “with the mvb you no longer have to worry about moisture vapor transmission delaminating the coating”. Every manufacturer states that an mvb must be installed neat to be able to perform to the level of the mitigation they claim on their TDS. Are you saying you don’t have to worry about it since it gives you more confidence, or just empirical evidence over the course of years?
I had a polyaspartic treatment on my garage floor. Workers started at 8:30 and finished at 2:00 pm.
Bro. That red/black and white flake @ 2:30 is amazing. What flake/colors are those(supplier?)
WhAt would u recommend for a grow room with since have led grow lights?
So who do you go through for materials
Thanks Tim. I always enjoy your videos. I have a very similar approach to my jobs. On my estimates I talk about the same idea about the moisture content passing through the concrete differs at different times and that's why I do a vapor barrier. I've also had issues in the past and now I just incorporate it on every job. I've never heard of a pigmented vapor barrier that you can flake into. I'd love to be able to shave off a day. I'm currently at 3 days. Vapory barrier, epoxy with flake, and poly top coat. Any chance on sharing the manufacturer? Good things.
Hey Andrew! Thanks!
Can you send me a DM on IG?
quick question: what is a typical price u charge a customer for
1. an epoxy floor with aspartic top coat.
2. a polyurea floor w aspartic top coat.
thanks,
Where do you buy the material ??
@TimDCVA Hey, I was wondering if you serviced northern virginia at all?
What kit would you use around a pool, that gets lots of sun? If at all. I have someone telling me RockhardUSA A&B epoxy kit but we are seeing lots of blisters or moisture bubbles coming up.
Bingo! Thank you for the video! Basically saying in a very nice way that these companies slamming epoxy are full of crap. Just a slimy sales pitch to scare people and charge them more money.
So appreciate these videos. DIY from big stores failed as mentioned. Live in Cleveland Ohio area now. Concrete garage floor with no moisture barrier installed (built in 1952). Additionally, the drain needs to be replaced and the entrance has cracked concrete. Questions: 1) Would the moisture barrier work in this scenario because moisure in the concrete is visible when it wet outside from rain (none seeping in from underneath)? 2) Would a concrete contractor need to be hired to replace the drain and repair the concrete edge into the garage? Thanks in advance for your responses! Wish you were here to hire for the work needed!
That drain almost certainly connects to your storm lines, which is no longer code. If you cut into that garage floor, you're required to bring it to code and connect to sewer.
Hi there Mate I have a house in the village in Europe and I dont want to waste money on new floor with Tiles because I don't use it to much...
- is better ,cheaper and safe to use epoxy for flooring instead of new tiles !?
Hi Tim, I own a one day coating company and love the coating industry. We also install epoxy & urethane coating in certain settings. Love this video and learning from you guys.
I would really like to try the polyaspartic/urethane top coat that you’re using to top off your garage floors. Can you share a link to the product please?
Thanks and God bless!
Do you do floors in the PA area? If so I’m looking for someone to do mine. You’re welcome to shoot me a email or text if you’d be interested.
My company typically does the epoxy to urathane (with UV blocker) coating, it's what we do about 90% of the time. It's a 3-5 day process depending if we have a quartz with troweled base, flakes, or flakes with no base. Very rarely do ever use polyurethane, unless it's a shower or aisle striping, something small for multiple coats. Tnemic is the product we stick with, it's been great for us for the last 5 years
I'm curious as to how you've been installing floor coatings for 20 years, yet you have so much of your knowledge, not completely wrong, however it's almost all- only partially correct?
So we should definitely ask about a moisture barrier?
Thanks, Tim. I'll use your video, so homeowners don't just think it's a sales pitch from me!
Haha. Thats great. I hope it’s helpful. 👍🏻👍🏻
Same here! I literally just sent this to a homeowner juggling polyurea or epoxy
I sure wish I could find a reputable company in the DFW area. Many of them I have seen long term and they just don't hold up well.
I dont think it's necessarily the heat in hot tires. There are lots of oils,waxes, and fatty acids in rubber, which will permeate and soften pretty most polymers and make them susceptible to damage.
Not true with high quality modern materials
I am in Wisconsin, had a 1 day polyaspartic system installed. Its been three years and I large parts of the top with the flake popping off. The concrete under it looks fine where they performed the concrete repair on my original garage floor. Will they warranty this this issue?
Good luck, usually companies warranty what their distributors of material offer as a warranty. Usually it's 1 year. But it's worth a shot trying, call sooner the better
I want to do my basement floor. Do people use this in basements?
@timdcva I like the look of flakes but I want a smooth surface so its easier to clean. The flakes made it hard to sweep in my last garage. What can I do differently for my new build?
Our floors are pretty smooth. Some people use a lower viscosity top coat that causes the finish to be rougher. I would say to make sure they use 90% solids or
higher and you should be okay.
You could also get a price for a second top coat and decide if you need it after you feel the first top coat.
Would you give up information of what products you suggest or use? Xtreme Polishing Systems?
What do you think about porcelain tile in a garage? I'm also tempted to do a wood floor like and old barn. Everyone scoffs and says it won't survive, buy I've seen 100 year old wood barn floors with tractors sitting on them.
Weakest link would be installation. Quality thinset, and back buttering the tiles a must. Any cracks in concrete will telegraph, but there’s products like ditra for this. Cleaning of grout may be a pain.
Can you comment on acid prep verses grinding and its effect on the install quality/longevity? Many thank.
You should always grind.
Acid doesn’t get the floor rough enough.
I made a training that explains this in detail:
www.decorativeconcreteschool.com/diy-mistakes527733
Please never acid etch. It's also weakening the top layer of concrete before you bond to it (if you do fully). Diamond grinding or shot blasting are the only two ways to go IMO
Can anyone tell me why my car tires adversely react with my garage floor and leave brown spots? This is not dirt, rather from what I’ve been told is the result of a chemical reaction between the rubber of the tires and the flooring. It did the same thing, to a lesser extent, under my pressure washer tires. Thanks in advance.
I'm not necessarily a car collector, but if I had lottery money, my car garage is gonna be approx about 9000 Sq ft , how many epoxy kits would I need
What is the actual use case of the flake? I kinda just like the raw concrete coated epoxy look. Is it purely aesthetic?
Aesthetic. I highly recommend against it if you actually use your garage to work. I broadcast flakes on mine, and anytime I drop something on the floor... It's impossible to find that screw, nut, piece in the sea of camouflage flakes!
I would really like to see how this holds up in a commercial shop. Specifically heavy construction where tracked machines such as a bulldozer that drives on the concrete.
It wouldn’t hold up well. We use urethane cement for that type of environment. 👍🏻👍🏻
I used to work for PPG, and sometimes I help a good friend who does residential & commercial epoxy floors (in between his drywall jobs).
The warehouse I worked at got the full treatment, from floor-paint in the isles to a multi-layer solid epoxy showroom floor w/PPG logo inset.
IMHO epoxy floors with flakes don't look as good, or perform as well as solid epoxy... Flakes are just a cheap way to increase thickness without the cost/time.
In my experience they tend to, well, flake apart. Likely from poor prep or flake application. Either way, it's less likely with no flakes !
A well done floor would never never have that issue
Do you do jobs in PA?
Okay then, here's a question for you. What would you suggest for something like a quick lube shop in which the floor is constantly having different vehicle fluids dripping onto it and gets mopped with degreaser at the end of the day?
Urethane Cement.
What if there is an interior room under my garage? Does that generally create more moisture?
We do garages like that from time to time. No issues.
I have one question that isn’t covered a lot. I get a lot of calls to come out and “fix” jobs for people who’ve gotten services from companies who have used the system out pool decks. Hot, slippery…. just terrible. I have not used this outdoors due to the fear of the same result. How do you feel about this?
I try not to use this system outdoors for that exact reason.
Is there a reason you grind and not shot blast? We always shot blast our floors. Very clean, no dust left on the floor or im the pores of the concrete
The grinder is more versatile than a shot blaster… so we keep that on the van.
We have a small shot blaster we use to get dust up after we grind.
@@TimDCVA always cool to see how others are doing it. I'm up in canada and there's a few small differences between your set up and mine. Exact same spikes tho 🤣
Is there anyway to not do flakes? Or does that degrade the product?
You don't need flakes. You can use decorative quartz (sand), pigment of any solid color, or metallic powder to give you a metallic floor. But IMO the most durable floors have been flakes, they're made of vinyle that the epoxy soaks into, and almost acts like a rebar does to concrete (obviously not as strong as rebar)
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Thank you that’s great info. But if I don’t put in the flakes will the hot tires pull up the paint? I mean how much strength will it lose? And what’s the best/ strongest brand?
@RJ1Reed no it should be fine. Make sure it's just 100% solids epoxy and the floor is prepped, and I wouldn't see why there is any reason not to have a good garage floor. The problem with the big box store epoxy, is a lot of them sell water-based epoxy, which isn't good. There's many different brands who make the better version of epoxies, but if your product is too thick to use, you could use isopropyl alcohol and use 10% of it into your mix to thin it, and also give you a little long working time with it.
Does this work with heated electric floors?
Yes it does. 👍🏻👍🏻
@@TimDCVA I mean, if the heat is not melting the material, doesn't produce some kind of smelly toxicity, etc.?
I’m sorry I didn’t catch the electric part the first time I replied.
We do floors like this that have heat in them all the time. They are usually heated with hot water that flows through tubes in the slab.
Im not sure how electric heat would work on a concrete floor.
What kind of yoyo wouldn't take those cabinets out before doing the floor?
Haha. We do a lot of garages with cabinets and I don’t think anyone has ever gone to the trouble to take them out. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@TimDCVA I couldn't sleep at night knowing the floor under my garage cabinets wasn't coated.
You're wrong about "every professional switching over to polyaspartic topcoat?
while i respect your job and everything you mention i will chose a 250-300$ if i have to doit every 2 3 y than pay 3-4k to have it applied once and last the same amount as 10-15 big box stores kits
How about a garage the size about 9000 square ft😊
Misled not mislead Tim!
🤦🏻♂️ thank you!
I was actually thinking about changing it to “they are misleading you about epoxy garage floors”
Not sure which is better. Ha.
@@TimDCVA Anytime my friend. Think the current one is great
Why are you saying a "polyaspartic Urethane" topcoat? They're 2 different products.
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EXACTLY, the can of paint sitting on the basement floor will not rust right away...🤔