Imagine being Freya, perched as a bird, having to wait like 5 minutes if not more, for the god of war to run around like a gremlin, shoving his fist through barrels looking for money 😂
@@justineking8230 he just bashes them open without thinking, any sort of explosive, tripwire/motion sensing spell would immediately blow up in his face
"I think you care for your dad so much you can't conceive a world where you'd let him get hurt" this video game is full of one liners that hit you where the feels are.
Both truly care for each other and don't want to see neither get hurt, but have to accept each other will have to get hurt at one moment because that's just how life is like
I keep coming back to that moment of Atreus turning into a bear and Kratos stopping him. It's so crazy how literally just a few moments before Atreus was learning to control his anger and rage and was doing really well. But the moment he realised his father was in danger, he immediately turned into a bear, unable to control his feelings. His rage in order to ensure his father's safety is so strong. And then Kratos' "are you harmed"? Urgh. He even holds Bear Atreus' muzzle so gently.
I bet Atreus, after JUST hearing the prophecy about how his father will die, friggin panicked like "Is this it?? Is this when he's going to die?? I have to stop this!" Like he legit thought Kratos was about to die.
it’s cool to watch how atreus’s rage meter fills almost immediately when he first got it but over time it fills slower because he’s learning how to control it
I probably wouldn't have even noticed that, being 7 hours after video posts lets you see comments that would otherwise get buried. Here, take my respect.
he means each insult hits so hard. that every insult has deeper meaning then a simple "i hate you go fuck yourself" there insults that have way more meaning and are way more hurtful then just angry shouting
The way Freya spreads her arms while her tattoos glow after freeing herself from Odin's hold is VERY reminiscent of Baldur being freed from HER magic in GoW4. I love it.
I didn't consider that. She may actually have realized that moment how much it plagued her and how much it must have plagued her son. Maybe that's also one of the reasons for her decision.
And don’t forget it’s also reminiscent of kratos and how he shed his bandages up on top of the giants fingers when spreading the ashes, I think it’s a symbol of some kind most likely representing both freedom and relief
Kratos has changed so much and I love that. Even in the fights, hes still so much calmer. He lets his guard down when he realizes the woman hes fighting is Freya, and even stops Atreus from fighting her. His relationship with his son shows just how much more he cares now. Begging his son to tell him the truth because hes so worried about him. So glad Sean’s playing this game, its a masterpiece.
He fights for life not for vengeance anymore, he puts less power in every hit not just because he is older but because he let go of that rage, that is why when he hit Thor with full rage it showed his true power. Just wait and see what I mean I don't want to spoil it for you. Cheers
@@FriedSheep69 His true rage showed when Thor mentioned of harming Atreus, this shows how much Kratos has grown since and shows how much he cares for his family, and he'd do and kill anything to protect them.
@@richardthebrick542 I wanna play it again so bad and do a platinum run but I have so much work after i took a week off just to enjoy it's first play hahaha
Honestly the biggest jumpscare I had so far watching this was when kratos stepped out of the damn door when Atraeus was trying to go in. I Actually let out a little squeak
The moment when kratos exited the doorway is the exact moment of the “Huh, that was easy” meme activates the elden ring boss music. Edit: I probably mean Skyrim boss music
Gryla's speech to Angrboda is ironic in more ways than one. In Norse mythology Angrboda is known as the "Mother of Monsters" and is Loki's wife and the mother of Fenrir and Jormungander but is only mentioned ONCE in the entire Poetic Edda, so the line about her being "nothing but a footnote in HIS story." is accurate to the mythology.
tbf, very little of the Norse mythology survives. How many stories there were about her, how many times she was mentioned could be way more than we know of now. In the manuscripts, there's references to Gods and events we have no idea of anymore, but obviously must've seemed like common knowledge to those writing them at the time
It's so meta that Angrbodas grandma says that nobody remembers her when she IS not mentioned almost at all at myths even she was a mate of loki and mother of Fenrir, Jörmungandr and Hel.
@Hawklegs in the actual mythos jormangandur is born through loki. He gives birth to him and im if not mistaken loki got cursed after he killed baldur that all his children would be monsters or something to that effect. He was then chained up with venom dripping on him till ragnorak.
@@justdontargue294 I've never heard the monster curse. Jorm, Fenrir, & Hel were maybe the earliest of Loki's kids to be born, & it was through their giant heritage & Odin's meddling that they became monsters. Loki's children w/ Angrboda were prophecized to bring about Ragnarok so Odin dealt w/ them by casting Hel into the realm of the dead (giving her access to its army), chucking Jorm into the sea (allowing him to grow big enough to wrap around the world) & chaining Fenrir once he got too big. This gave Loki's children the motivations & the abilities to bring about the Aesir's end, & makes Raganrok a self-fulfilling prophecy. Loki's punishment after killing Baldur was to be bound to rock w/ the entrails of his sons Narvi & Vali (his children w/ the goddess Sigyn), & a snake placed over him dripping venom into his eyes until he breaks free at Ragnarok to lead Hel's army of the dead against Odin's einherjar.
I thought the same when I heard that line. Everything we know about Angrboda is her association w/ Loki, & it's not even the only super meta line in the game.
@@justdontargue294 in the actual mythos there are varying accounts for how Jörmungandr came to be, but the most common and most believed is it was Loki and Angrbroda created them. I believe the one you’re thinking of is a poem that describes Loki eating the heart of an evil giantess which then impregnates him. You are mistaken about the curse for killing Baldur as Loki’s children already existed, to punish Loki the Aesir turns his son Váli into a wolf who then killed his brother (also Loki’s son) Narfi and they bound Loki to rocks with his entrails and turned them into iron chains. Sigyn (Loki’s wife and mother of the 2 boys) stays with Loki holding a bowl over his head to catch as much of the poison as she can until he breaks free at Ragnarök.
angrboda’s dialogue after the encounter with gryla is so fucking heartbreaking. for a young girl who’s already been through so much to hear her once-loving grandmother say all of that to her and still understand what her grandmother is going through is phenomenal. her voice actress acting out the strained pain as she struggles not to break down is amazing.
I was impressed with how the computer animators were able to realistically show her face as quietly broken but "holding it together". Facial emotions are so difficult to portray in computer animation, but as she's walking away, while her grandmother hurls heartbreaking insults at her, her face shows a hurt, quiet dignity.
I love the callback of Kratos saying “no need to explain. Not to me. Not for that” just like Freya did when he left to get the blades in the first game.
The way how Freya reacted after the "Her name was Calliope." is so overlooked. Reminder that for the entire game up to this point, and a little while after if I'm guessing correctly, Freya wants nothing more than to kill Kratos and avenge her son. But upon the realization that Kratos had lost a little girl before, the hatred and contempt in her voice goes away in an instant, as though she suddenly understood Kratos a little better, as though having a "that explains a lot" moment. At the very end of her conversation, she even says "I shouldn't have asked." in a rather apologetic tone. For a moment, in her mind, she wasn't talking to her sons killer, she was talking to another parent who lost a child, who even after many, many years, still felt that pain as fresh as when he first realized she died by his own ambition. As much as Freya tries to hide it now, she's a very caring and empathetic soul.
I think Kratos actually understands that, and it’s why he keeps trying to make things right between them. Even when she was trying her hardest to kill him, in the depths of her rage, she was NEVER willing to hurt Atreus. This meant even at her worst, there were some lines she wouldn’t cross. She wouldn’t hurt an innocent just to get to him. Kratos knows from sad experience HE would not be so moral. Because my god the collateral damage HE has been responsible for…
Except she shows Odins traits throughout the whole game,she’s a control freak who is controlled by her emotions and shows nothing but contempt for those who don’t treat her with the utmost respect (that she doesn’t deserve by the way),she’s just an alternate form of Odin,she may be nicer but she was still his wife
@@froginabucket7294 dude that is NOT fair. She made a mistake with Baldur and she learned from it. And refusing to be like Odin, who would sacrifice anything and anyone for more power, was exactly why he turned on her. The marriage was political and it didn’t end well. Ever met a divorced person?
1:59:20 This entire scene is crazy good. Like, the desperate tearing at the roots and the way she says "Get out... get out of me!" And then falls to the ground Is so well acted and emotional. Easily one of my favorite scenes. Danielle killed this role
I’ve seen some people criticizing Freya in this game saying that she’s “weak” because she’s not a 24/7 murder machine, and using scenes like that as an example. It’s ridiculous. Her arc in this game shows exactly how strong she is and how she was able to break free of her trauma is incredible. (I know trauma never fully leaves you, but she won that internal battle). I guess people criticizing her have never dealt with that sort of thing themselves, and they don’t realize how much strength this kind of thing takes. Especially her learning to accept help when she needs it, that’s not a weakness, it’s an extremely difficult and important thing and it shows how much her past betrayals have affected her. Learning to trust herself and others and realizing that she doesn’t have to forget or ignore her past entirely, as shown when she says that the Valkyries and other parts of her life aren’t Odin’s, they’re hers, and she doesn’t have to lose them just because she’s free of him. I love her acting and writing in this game, it’s fantastic. And as someone who deals with past trauma every day, her storyline in this game has really affected me (in a good way). Her revelations have helped me find my strength as well, and I’m so happy to see her story play out. Tldr: Freya isn’t weak, she’s incredibly strong breaking free of her trauma and her story is amazing.
The reason kratos keeps needing to talk about himself whenever freya gets upset is because she’s always like “you’d NEVER UNDERSTAND MY PAIN” so he has to give a lil anecdote to explain that not only does he understand. He’s experienced it tenfold!
How much of his story is known outside of Greece is not made clear so clearly, she does not know the full extent of what he has been through. She knows that he has killed many people gods and mortals alike but that seems to be general knowledge among the pantheons. Even Thor described Kratos as the man who killed a pantheon because he got his feelings hurt even though it runs deeper than that.
What Kratos did here was something many neurodivergent people do. Instead of simply replaying with I know your pain or I think I understand, they reply with a story of their own to show they understand. it's not about making it about themselves, its more of a "I went through something similar or even the same so I can understand your pain" mechanism
I think that we did indeed just witness the birth of Jormungandr, since cannonically it is from Loki's and Angrboda's union that he is born. Soooooo her helping Atreus by whispering the words alongside him, is indeed a form of union.
@@LittleSprout73 Well, Loki have given birth to Goddess of Death, the 8 legged horse Sleipner, Fenrir and the world serpent And let's just say, that's not the weirdest thing to happen in Norse mythology
wasn’t GOW3 originally gonna start with zeus dying, and then the norse and egyptian pantheon would come over and try to claim the power vacuum of the now dead greek pantheon? And then the norse and egyptian versions of Kratos would show up and they’d team up to defeat the other pantheons, creating monotheism and the Kratoses would become the 3 wise men in the bible?
As a former Christian from Alabama that now has their own personal beliefs, I would pay good money to see a game where Kratos just punches Jesus and says "GET YOUR FOLLOWERS' SHIT TOGETHER, HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT THEY'RE DOING!?"
“Oh please you know damn well kratos isn’t the true cause of your suffering”. Mimirs switch from trying to broker some peace between kratos and freya to him backing kratos 100 percent. Hes the goat
She's been killing it since the first game. Hell, she made me actually feel bad for Baldur's death. "HE ROBBED ME OF EVERYTHING!!", oh the way she delivered that line still claws at my soul.
Man, they really earned that moment of Freya making up or coming to an understanding with Kratos. That middle ground of "I can not forgive you, but I also can't kill you." feels like the right direction to take that.
The reluctant alliance is one of the best plot devices IMO, because everyone agrees to be allies simply for the greater good, rather than forgetting their grievances - you're putting yourself second, and it's a hard thing to do when you're grieving
Yeah. Very believable character writing there. Before the game came out I was expecting Freya to actually succeed in killing Kratos, but of course Kratos would like... Fight his way out of the afterlife or something, and Freya would reconcile with him once he came back, after realizing his death didn't end her grief. Maybe then she's refuse any forgiveness and go into exile or something. But yeah this works too.
To me it felt like she said that she couldn’t forgive him, but instantly forgave him, now they’re in a romantic boat ride killing beast together while doing side quest, idk maybe make her just slightly more distant till the end of the game
@@leik7728 Bro 😳 She was a lot friendlier in the first game. Now she is able to respect Kratos but still holds some animosity towards him. She's much sassier. Also, not every boat ride with a man and a woman is inherently romantic. Project, much?
I love that when confronting Atreus you can hear the pain in his voice, instead of an authoritative demand, it feels like he’s begging for his son to open up
I think if there’s one person who actually could’ve been trusted with the secret of Ironwood, it was Kratos. No Asir is going to drag it out of him. … actually, the danger would’ve been Kratos confiding in someone where Tyr could hear it. But I think if Atreus made it plain he was telling his father a secret that needed to stay just between them, no secret would’ve been safer. Of course both of their emotions are too high in that moment. We aren’t told what Kratos was up to for the two days after Atreus vanished from his room, but my guess is he was tearing stuff apart looking for his son. He doesn’t know if he’s been kidnapped or what.
"I kill to protect my son, to aid my friends..." Cool line, & hearing Kratos refer to having friends is something given how he lived. The place Freya was born is so pretty
1:46:48 “I will be no one’s monster. Never again,” is such a nice callback to GoW 2018, when Kratos told Athena that “I am your monster no more.” Especially when he had just retrieved the Blades and had to use them to kill the bridge guard in Helheim to save his son. “I kill to protect my son. To save my friends.” I’m just loving all the callbacks to the previous games.
It is a nice callback especially considering that he acknowledged that he will still be a monster in a sense. I have heard people saying that he showed either respect or regret to the bridge keeper for having to kill him and take his heart. Looking back, I think I can see why he felt this way. The bridge keeper was not an enemy following him or actively seeking his death, nor was it even an obstacle in his path to the goal of the game. It would have never harmed him if he hadn't appeared in the place that the gate keeper was charged with overlooking. He regretted it because the gate keeper was someone, he had to kill in order to fix a mistake he made, it was a sacrifice to Kratos as Mimir put it, valuing his privacy over his son.
He is such a father figure and he loves him even whatever he does to annoy him and also it’s so surprising how the fucking god of war still has sympathy towards him
One of the reasons they should cast Michael Rooker to play Brok in the GoW show 🤣🤣😂 I mean, he'll just be another blue wise-cracker... who dies in his 2nd appearance 😅🤣 but it's still perfect casting
Yeah like bro killed his first family and is cursed to forever wear their ashes. Then watched his brother die had to kill all his greek family. Man's life is kinda fucked up
@@ChordsandSotoOfficial i like how your example of Kratos' pain is about how many of his family he's had to kill🤣 i know the story but without context it really doesn't look great
@@moneygrabber6720i also thought it was a drag but i personaly love angrboda as a companion. Her moves are really cool to use and look at. Just seeing the battlefield be covered in splashes of color is so cool .
The whole Jörmungandr thing was so interesting to watch unfold. For those who don’t know, in Norse mythology Loki and Angerboda are Jörmungandr’s biological parents. The game essentially found a less weird way to make make Loki and Angerboda be the “parents” of a giant snake lmao
@@josepruitt1811 problem it’s a game made by real people and the characters are in the early teens, unless that happens years later it ain’t kosher chief
@@ArkhamKnight-2007 it's Faye, she's played by Deborah Ann Woll who also plays Karen in the MCU. She's a huge nerd and plays dnd and she played twiggy in critical role and she's played in many other web shows, it makes sense she'd eventually get to voice acting for games at some point.
FRRRRR! My favorite scene of hers is when she’s still tryna kill Kratos. Before she moves the earth she yells for Kratos. The raw emotion and anger, ahh! I can’t pick a favorite moment nevermind. Every time Freya’s on screen is my favorite
"Imagine being tricked into murdering your own daughter then having her remains permanently smeared across your skin as an insult and reminder of your failure." -Kratos internally after hearing that statement.
I love how Jack is claiming kratos doesn't have leadership qualities yet the guy led wars was a general and is confident enough in his own abilities to take on the gods and had the determination to see it through
Fun fact since Jack slightly brought it up. Kratos was originally going to destroy the Greek pantheon and other pantheons would try to conquer Greece resulting in Kratos finding out that there's other versions of himself in the other pantheons, presumably Tyr and the god of war from Egypt. They would team up, destroy all pantheons, and they then become the three wise men who show up at the birth of Jesus. Obviously, that wasn't the ending we got but it's still cool knowing that one of the canceled storylines involved Kratos meeting Jesus.
Wouldn't mind a pantheon world war and its Kratos's new quest to stop it in a new game. The possible pantheon conquering Greece are the Persian Gods and Egyptian Gods but its also a cool thought of them competing violently over Greece and Kratos would come back to save it.
It also would’ve been the funniest fucking ending ever. Imagine telling the story of god of war to someone and then at the end you have to say “and then he met Jesus”
It can't be a fun fact. The "three wise men" are also know as "The Magi". They were not from Egypt, Greece, or Nordic, they were Canaanites from east of Jerusalem what we know now as Iraq and Iran. They were wizards. "Magi" (the word used in the Latin writing of the days of Jesus) is one who practices magic or a Magician. The Magi were not considered "Gods" or Demi-gods but rather were mortal men and priests of the Babylonian gods. The Babylonian Magi had learned of the signs (like the star rising in the west) in the prophecies of the appearance of the Jewish Messiah through the teachings of the Jews during their 70 year captivity in Babylon under King Nebuchadnezzar, and had passed the Jewish prophecies down for 500 years. The Greek God of War was Ares, Roman was Mars, Norse was Tyr. You are correct that these were all one-in-the-same. Kratos on the other hand was a created spirit in mortal human form or the personification of "Strength". He was created by Pallas and Styx and there was only one of him - there is no Roman or Nordic equivalent.
I love that Freya doesn't just straight up forgive him. She explains that she will always be angry for what he did to her son and although he's done much good for her, she can never find a place in her heart to say he was in the right. Some stories would have had her forgive him or concede that what he did was right. I'm glad that they didn't go with that choice.
i totally agree, and yet they still managed to have this sincere reconciliation between the two. they gave their arc such a complex resolution and it was handled soooo freakin' well
I honestly think she understands why Kratos killed deep down and that she would have down the same but still hates him because he killed her only child ever and that child was from a loveless marriage
Reminds me of "History of the World Part 1". By Mel Brooks. Romans suggest that the punishment for a slave striking a citizen should be to "Shove a living snake up (his) ***". It's shot down, but noted for its creativity.
I think its obvious with how she acted after Kratos saved her again, Freya is split, she wants to forgive but wants retribution. When they are alone together its clear she is kinda prodding for reasons for either side, she was willing to hear him out. Its good how they made it that Freya can forgive, but never forget.
Which, ya know what, fair enough. I think one reason why Kratos tolerated all of her attempted murders is because he could see, even in the depth of her rage, that there were lines she wouldn’t cross. She refused to hurt Atreus, for example, not even to get to his father. She wasn’t going to allow an innocent to suffer for her revenge. She wants one head and one head only. Kratos, uh, well, when he was in her position, avenging the death of a child, his attitude towards collateral damage was …. Uh… not that. 😅 he didn’t hesitate to go through the children of his targets if they stood in his way. Nobody’s grief mattered except his.
The look on Freya's face at Kratos pacifying a raged out Atreus knowing damn well she would have been murdered had he not is priceless. Even as the Valkyrie Queen, Kratos did just kick her ass, so...
That and the fact that days before that Atreus had begged her to not make him shoot her, had tried to negotiate with her and she hadn't even known he was capable of shape-shifting... she was probably shitting herself cause Atreus wasn't holding back so suddenly after being such a sweet gentle kid to her up until this point.
@@lilchaos9212 yep. Switched from innocent farm boy with stickler parent to Son of the God-Killer, Champion of Jotnar in literally an instant. It was awesome.
I don't think her look had anything to do with that, she got so angry right after, something tugged on her heart strings, I think the idea was that Freya saw some of her own son in atreus and she saw that atreus has the potential to go down the same path, but Kratos is a good enough parent to guide and nurture atreus so he doesn't go that route, seeing Kratos do what she never did probably made her feel guilty, like it was her own fault her son became how he was, and that feeling was so painful she got angry and ignored her thoughts and went right back to blindly blaming someone else.
I love it how we all read the scene differently :') For me it looked like at first she felt bad and guilty about what she was going to do when she saw Kratos stopping Atreus, especially him saying how she was their friend. Because it seemed at that moment she realized that what she was doing wasn't okay, she was hurting the people she cared about before. She felt bad looking at the scene of a father caring for his son and vice versa. Then as the scene continued seeing them have what she can't have anymore, and again remembering that it is their fault that she can't have it, turned her to feeling angry again.
From someone like Kratos, saying "I did not wish to live with killing you, any more than I wished to die" just really tells you he's not even considering defeating her. He's straight up not ready to accept either his death or hers. He didn't fight with her because he was at an impasse and he did not want to go down the arguably only route he ever knew.
Jormungandrs theme playing while Loki and Amgrboda “create” a giant/snake hybrid is so so cool and so full of symbolism if you know the connection between loki, angrboda, and jormungandr in the legends.
@@KabeerKishore I don't remember if this was in the previous GoW or some weird theory, but I remember something about Jormungandr fighting Thor and being hit so hard it was sent to the past. That's why it was there and already knew Atreus.
That race as loki with wolf form was the most memorable moment for me. Something felt so incredibly good playing that, loki being able to control it so well while having fun with the music, so good.
The vibe of that whole race segment was just so wholesome and innocent. Atreus has spent the entire game up till that point worried and seeing horrible things and being shown that at the end of the day he is still a kid who wants to have fun is such a sweet moment. In that moment he didn't have any rage, he was just happy
@@incognitoman3656 when I said look I actually meant how it is to play as wolf's like one of the games I'm thinking of looks like a better experience to me about playing as a wolf because you can play as this hulk sized werewolf and a normal animal wolf
They did such a good job with freya specifically. Her emotion and voice lines are so deep and emotional. Every time she’s on screen I just see the untempered force of a goddess with nothing to lose, but even with that her goodness and compassion keep shining through. Just a little. Beats beautiful.
I know she just wants to kill him but at some points it feels a bit annoying "You don't know anything about me." "How can you know how it feels to...." "Only I understand the pain I've been through." And i know she doesn't know his full backstory but i fully expected Kratos at one point to yell "SHUT UP WOMAN AND LISTEN FOR ONCE."
I don't think that would have helped any more than it would have helped Kratos when he was raging against Olympus. He is trying to persuade her abandon her vendetta, but he knows from first-hand experience how difficult it can be to dissuade a person from this course when they have started on it. Vengeance is something that can sound like an easy to way to fix all of one's problems, an easy way to make all the pain go away just by killing the one perceived responsible. Yet the words of vengeance are poison laced with honey, they slowly wear away at a person like a festering wound so that they do not notice or care about their better traits being consumed by it. Eventually vengeance usually consumes the people who seek it one way or another and the cycle goes on and on from person to person. Kratos should consider himself lucky that he is both still alive and that he has a chance to start anew after completing his revenge, most who seek revenge are not that fortunate.
Freya and Kratos are such complex and well written characters, it's really amazing to observe their relationship and similarities within the dialogue between them. Such a magnificent game.
"Shes not a monster, shes just lost" That crippled me. My own grandmother pased this year and she was wrapped in her fury to the last. But the kid me still remembers the kind person she was
My grandmother is dealing with Parkinson's and it is changing her memories and herself. It is tough and exhausting to see her like this but the memories I have with her before this time is what I remember most about her.
My grandma passed away a few weeks ago. Because of old age. But she had been suffering from dementia for many years. And it was hard watching her not even be able to remember who her children where and even sometimes lashing out at them. But pleasant memories got all of us through it
My grandmother was the reverse she was a terrible mom but amazing grandmother which only made it worse knowing she kicked several addictions and learned to censor herself just to die at the age of 60. I got to see the best half of my grandmother's life and it lasted like 20 years not even half her life. She completely changed for the better (mostly) just to die way to early to medical complications from years of drug abuse.
@@GeekyGaia Very sorry to hear that you and your family are going through this. ❤️ Stay strong and keep showing her love.... And remember, It's not her lashing out It's the disease. She still loves you very very much and would show it if she could. Embrace the good days and let the bad days go. Take care 💞
no it is a glitch, this happened to me and when i reloaded my save he did help in the fight after that. this wasnt so long ago either as i just started to replay the game, so it is a bug :/
Love how when Atreus gave the soul to the snake and it "woke up" it played the Jörmungandr theme. Definitely feels like some time shenanigans going on here
@@-MiniBritton- how would that be boring? he would be basically creating a new life form by imparting a soul into a new body and it would perfectly line up lmao
It likely is. White scales with green pattern, yellow eyes. It's Jormungandr. Loki technically birthed it in that moment, and we know Jormangandr uses time travel against Thor during their fight, and we also know Jotunheim's time works differently to every other realm. I would bet money that snake is Jormungandr.
I love how Kratos now allows himself to FEEL for Atreus. He hasn't allowed himself to truly care about anything since the death of his wife and daughter in fear of feeling such loss and agony again, and seeing him finally love him as his son and worry for him so deeply is heartwarming, I'm so happy for that. It's such a little detail but one that matters so much. He loves Atreus enough to not suffer the same loss twice, and he would do anything to prevent that.
I wonder what happened to his former wife and daughter now that he killed the Greek Gods off, especially considering that Hades was in charge of the Greek Underworld. Did they just get shifted to another afterlife plane?
@@OleDirtyMacSanchez kraits was tricked by ares to kill his own wife and daughter because he was bound to ares but after the anihalation of greec the god went to this weird spirit thing in the Norse nine realms it was in the other game or this one mimir explained it
As someone who had watched the full game, I can confidently say, that might be the least number of episodes Jack can make out of this game, because if he is willing to play this game to its fullest, which knowing Jack he would absolutely do it, it would take more than 15 episodes of 2 hour average videos to finish it.
2:03:20 "I do not regret saving your life nor I ever will, but the choice of life and death was yours to make. I should not have robbed you of that choice" I'm sure Joel had the same opinion after what he did for ellie
@Jack Guy Honestly, both the fireflies and Joel took her choice. I would argue Joel even more so, since Ellie would have wanted to die to save humanity
@@LeumazDnazorEh. Ellie would have died for nothing. You can't fight a fungal infection with a Vaccine. It seems all the smart doctors had died during the initial outbreak.
Gryla is a great metaphor for Alzheimer’s or overall senility imo. It really made me emotional, it’s pretty common that these patients become aggressive towards their own family or caretakers.
Legitimately this is a beautiful idealized retelling of the birth of jormungandr as angrboda is the mother and loki is the father of the big world snake.
The conversation between father and son at 40:00, so amazing by the actors. I feel for both Kratos and atreus. Nobody knows what to do or how to handle it and all they really want is eachother alive and well.
Can we give props to Angrboda for not wanting to murder her own grandmother? Like, the entire scene reminded me of Hera's death. Her emotional management is god levels better than Kratos even in his current state. I high-key wished Gryla received the same Hera treatment right then, but the franchise really goes to show the growth of the games.
I wanted Atreus to shoot her so bad. Imagine being not only the last of your family but the last of your species except for someone who speaks to you like THAT. I just felt so sad for Angrboda & wanted nothing more than for her to come back & live at Sindri's. Maybe he won't be happy about a new person & a bunch of animals but at least you wouldn't be alone, girl.
Freya’s “boss name,” Vanadis, is such a cool touch, because that’s ACTUALLY HER NAME. One of ‘em anyway. And now I’m kicking myself because I didn’t realize it until the “reveal,” despite knowing this information beforehand.
That’s pretty cool dude, i’m not too knowledgeable about norse mythology but i’m not totally in the dark either so this was a cool fact i can add to the mythology library i’m making
The Freya - Kratos reconciliation was done really well. Not hammy or on the nose. And bringing in his past as a touchstone for his empathy was perfectly done.
Indeed, it could have been cheesy, excessively convenient and even out of character, instead the build up to it was done perfectly, and the final dialogue fully respected the characters.
@@ulyssesocounter8488 i was expecting it to draw out all the way to before the actual battle of ragnarok, so seeing it happen at the middle of the game was nice
I dont really think you can forgive somebody killing your child so it is still unrealistic to me, but it was done in a healthy way. Her not exactly forgiving, but realising that in the grand scheme of things, revenge would only hurt her and help Odin.
@@xervislane770 “to be honest, I don’t think I can do either” Freya did not forgive him in that moment, not fully at least, but she understood Baldur’s death had more than one culprit, including Odin and herself. The moment she truly moved on from Baldur was once she realized she didn’t need to hold onto that anger any longer, at the end of the game.
Less than 10 minutes later "What if we just put Odin and thors souls into two balls and turn them into anal beads and stick them up somebody's a**? Like a Giant or something?" Beautiful love story
To be honest, I cried as Freya desperately broke each of the world tree's branches off. Such phenomenal voice acting, and as a woman who has suffered from the wrath of a man, her line "get out of me" hit so close to home. What a powerful moment.
That never even occurred to me 🥺 Whoa. And with how Odin stripped her of her individuality using the mantle of "Frigg", isolated her from her family and turned them against her, and then used the only thing she loved, her child, to hurt her further? The potential symbolism there is horrifying oh my god.
1:59:30 Okay if Freyas voice actor doesn't at least get a nomination for the Game Awards for this performance, nothing else in that category deserves to be there.
39:31 Kratos wants to be mad but he’s actually PLEADING for his son to open up, not knowing that Atreus promised he wouldn’t speak a word. You can hear Kratos plead in the “and still I follow”
That whole talk between Kratos and Freya where he tells the sparknotes of how he killed his wife and daughter shows how Kratos has grown as a person. There was a time in the original trilogy, where anybody that raised their hand or blade to Kratos would be painfully and brutally killed, even slowly if they had the vitality to withstand Kratos' fury. The fact that Freya has tried many, many times to kill Kratos since the end of GoW4 and he spares her every time just tells LEAPS and BOUNDS about the changes in thinking and acting he went through during his time in Midgard. More modern writers need to fucking keep up!
I don't think Sean remembers the last game when Freya said the same thing when she was healing Atreus. "No need to explain, not to me, not for that" I love that this game pays homage to each one prior to it
It was a nice touch that they added the "No need to explain... Not to me, not for that..." line that Freya said to Kratos in the 2018 game when he went to go get his Blades, and now Kratos says it back to Freya. Was a very nice touch
Kratos' VA having some softness and vulnerability when he sees Tre after 2 days, and then again when he asks Freya what she needs, absolutely wonderful
I really like that Brok is still able to dispense some potent wisdom about family relationships even though he's missing a quarter of his soul. He can still feel! That makes me feel a lil warm and fuzzy
It’s so cool how this game chooses to sort of go along with mythology but giving it their own twist, in Norse mythology Loki and Angrboda give birth to the world serpent and it’s amazing how they sort of portrayed it here with both of them together putting a giants soul into a serpent/snake and thus “making” Jormangandr. Just something I thought was really neat!
So that guy will be thrown back in time during Ragnarök and become the big boy we meet in the first game. Maybe the "ancient" language he speaks with the drawn out vowels is based on Angrboda's calls and singing.
Obviously graphics have gotten better since the original God of war games but yeah you're right and this cutscene with Freya you can just see how like worn and tired he looks
Also I’m pretty sure after certain fights, you can hear him breathing heavily like he’s tryna catch his breath. A nice little detail that he’s not as spry as he once was
Oh, you can definitely tell that as the game progresses that everything is just weighing on him. He’s having a harder time catching his breath, he’s aging, and he’s got a son who is hellbent on trying to do everything his way or no way. I wouldn’t blame Kratos for being like “peace out, imma take a nap”
Mythology(/language) trivia (part 1/2): 0:10 Irpa is a female form of Jarpr ("dark brown"), and Nótt means "night". 0:48 "Taka" means "to take, catch, seize" in Icelandic. 1:07 "Skjálfa" means "to shiver, tremble" in Icelandic. 1:35 Grýla is a horrifying monster and a giantess living in the mountains of Iceland, commonly used to scare children into good behvior. She's said to eat mischievous children. 2:36 Wulver is a kind of wolf-like humanoid creature (with a man-like body and a wolf's head) in the folklore of the Shetland Islands of Scotland. They're said to be kind and benevolent, only attacking if provoked. Unlike werewolves, they do not shapeshift. 4:55 "Láta" means "put, place; let, allow; concede, yield; leave, leave off; lose; cause to be done, command; behave (as if); declare; sound" in Old Norse. 13:11 "Vekja" means "to awaken, to wake up" in Icelandic. 12:20 "What if that's how Jormungandr is born?" Jormungandr (aka "the world serpent", since it was so big it could encircle the world) was indeed a child of Loki and the giantess Angrboda, so maybe this could be a way the devs are interpreting Jormungandr's "birth" (since both of them were responsible for it). 15:24 What ultimately happens to Kratos is up for grabs (he's not a Norse mythology chracter), but Odin and Fenrir are fated to kill each other (which implies Fenrir would come back somehow, if they're following the mythology). 20:44 "Springandi klöngur" means "exploding noise" in Icelandic. 20:57 "Draga hann undir" means "Drag him under" in Icelandic. 21:29 "Brenna bein" means "burning bones" in Icelandic. 21:35 "Soltinn kjöptr" means "hungry jaws" in Icelandic. 21:46 "Hata hjörð" means "hate flock" in Icelandic. 21:56 "Stein fúna" means "stone rot" in Icelandic. 23:14 "Jörð gleypa" means "swallowing earth" in Icelandic. 41:35 Vanadís ("Dise of the Vanir") is one of the names of the goddess Freya (other ones were Gefn ("The Giving One"), Hörn ("Spirit of Flax"), Mardöll ("Sea-brightener"), Sýr ("Sow"), and Valfreyja). Since Freya also receives half of the slain (Einherjar) chosen by the valkyries in her afterlife field Fólkvangr (the other half going to Odin's Valhalla), it is thought Freya is connected to the valkyries (with the game calling her a "former Queen of the Valkyries"). 43:26 "Dýr atrás" means "animal charge" or "beast attack" in Icelandic (it's what he says when summoning the goat). 46:08 "Braudnefr" is a swear that means "breadnose" in Norse (Brok basically called Sindri a "brown-nose"). 46:37 Vanaheim is the world of the Vanir gods (despite living with the Aesir, that's where Freya came from, being a Vanir goddess herself). 50:21 Freyr ("Lord") is the main god of the family of the Vanir, the son of Njord (the sea god), and the brother of Freya. He lives in Alfheim and owns the magical ship Skidbladnir and the golden boar Gullinbursti. Freyr and Surtr (ruler of the fire giants) are fated to kill each other during the Ragnarok.
Mythology(/language) trivia (part 2/2): 50:46 Muspelheim is the primordial world of fire. 52:30 "Fálki" means "falcon" in Icelandic. 1:05:38 Yngvi is an older name for Freyr. 1:06:41 "Blábr" is similar to "blár", which means "blue" in Icelandic (referring to Brok's skin color). 1:07:33 Huldra (meaning "covered" or "secret") are beautiful and seductive female forest beings. 1:09:54 Birgir is an Old Norse form of bjarga ("to help, to rescue"), and also an Old Norse form of GEIR ("spear"). 1:10:12 Byggvir is Old Norse for "seed corn" or "barley ghost". He and his wife Beyla ("little bean" or "little swelling") are servants of Freyr. 1:13:24 Deimos ("dread") is a god of (pre-war) terror, son of Ares and Aphrodite. His twin brother Phobos ("fear") was a god of the fear caused by (and during) wars. Kratos was a son of the titans Pallas and Styx. 1:20:41 In Greek mythology, Calliope ("beautiful voiced", the goddess of eloquence) was the eldest of the Nine Muses (goddesses of music, song and dance). 1:21:45 "Ó gott, fleira dýr at drepa" means "Oh god, more animals to kill" in Icelandic. 1:25:32 Nøkken (or Nixie) are shapeshifting freshwater spirits, who try to lure their victims into the water. 1:27:44 "Ek em svo móðr af regni þessu"; "Mér líkar"; "Er eins ok örvar mjukar. Meira regn segi ek" means "I'm so sick of (angry at) this rain"; "I like (it)"; "It's like softened arrows, more rain I say" in Icelandic (maybe Vanaheim is the in-game Ireland Jack was talking about). 1:29:40 Agoge ("to lead") was a rigorous training regimen for Spartan men in preparation for army service. 1:30:24 Midgard was the world of humanity (Earth). 1:32:02 Nornir (or Norns) were the three female beings who create and control fate. They do so by casting wooden lots, weaving a piece of cloth, or and carving runes into the trunk of Yggdrasil. 1:39:40 "Andskotar Ásgarðar! Vita ván dýrs dauða!" means "Enemy of Asgard! Expect (having) the death of an animal!" in Icelandic. 1:39:44 Fiske is a surname that comes from the Old Norse "fiskr" (meaning "fish"). It was also a nickname for a fisherman or for a fish seller. 1:47:59 "Opinbera" means "to manifest, reveal" in Old Icelandic. 1:48:24 Nidhogg ("He Who Delivers Hateful Blows") is a dragon who devours corpses and chews on the roots of Yggdrasil (the world tree). Since Yggdrasil holds the nine worlds, Nidhogg's actions also contribute to Ragnarok (the destruction of the whole cosmos), so it's kinda weird they tried to spin Nidhogg as a protector of Yggdrasil's roots. 1:58:52 "Læsa rífa" means "rip/tear lock" in Icelandic.
Imagine being Freya, perched as a bird, having to wait like 5 minutes if not more, for the god of war to run around like a gremlin, shoving his fist through barrels looking for money 😂
She had to at some point during fimbulwinter used a chest as bait to lure Kratos
@@xaiverbres7335 that would be genius 😂
@@justineking8230 he just bashes them open without thinking, any sort of explosive, tripwire/motion sensing spell would immediately blow up in his face
@@xaiverbres7335 tis a scratch
Tyr had been addressing it until he didn’t bother. So Freya must had known this since first game.
I love how Kratos is listening to Freya talk about how awful it is to see her village in ruins...while running around robbing every chest he can find.
Apparently he's got a bit of Irishman in him.
well thats thimblil winter for ya
@brax bogun you mean Fimbulwintr?
Hey theres no people, they dont need the stuff😂
@@braxbogun3211”-Do not.”
- Kratos, 2022
"I think you care for your dad so much you can't conceive a world where you'd let him get hurt" this video game is full of one liners that hit you where the feels are.
Both truly care for each other and don't want to see neither get hurt, but have to accept each other will have to get hurt at one moment because that's just how life is like
My favourite is, “whatever”.
Sucks he doesn't die in the end
When the main characters are of spartan heritage its bound to have that in it lol
That line is great, but if you wanna hear an amazing one, just wait. It's coming and it's gonna hit in the feels.
I keep coming back to that moment of Atreus turning into a bear and Kratos stopping him. It's so crazy how literally just a few moments before Atreus was learning to control his anger and rage and was doing really well. But the moment he realised his father was in danger, he immediately turned into a bear, unable to control his feelings. His rage in order to ensure his father's safety is so strong. And then Kratos' "are you harmed"? Urgh. He even holds Bear Atreus' muzzle so gently.
I bet Atreus, after JUST hearing the prophecy about how his father will die, friggin panicked like "Is this it?? Is this when he's going to die?? I have to stop this!" Like he legit thought Kratos was about to die.
@@hawklegs6940 THAT'S 100% IT!!😭🙏🏻 He literally cannot even imagine the possibility and goes into panic mode T__T
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@@hopper8514 around 44:00. Thats the moment Atreus comes to save Kratos:)
@@anisgilos thank youuuuu
Kratos saying "Are you harmed?" to Atreus is like the softest I've ever heard his voice before.
Don't forget the "he's ill." From the previous game
When was this?
@@Nemesis_carnage around 44:40
“The boy has fallen ill!”
@@alexisruebeck4386”FREYA!!” He said softly
it’s cool to watch how atreus’s rage meter fills almost immediately when he first got it but over time it fills slower because he’s learning how to control it
The details
It's a nice blend of game mechanics and story
Yeah... sounds like my english teacher
I love the comments for this play through. I totally missed that.
I probably wouldn't have even noticed that, being 7 hours after video posts lets you see comments that would otherwise get buried. Here, take my respect.
Gryla: insults her grandaughter, wishing she was never born, and that she will be forgotten
Sean: Damn, that was non-stop bangers
Never heard anyone refer too insults that way it was interesting to say the least
he means each insult hits so hard. that every insult has deeper meaning then a simple "i hate you go fuck yourself"
there insults that have way more meaning and are way more hurtful then just angry shouting
@@leoneyamada5408 Nah, straight up bangers
@@electric0618 facts
welp, thats fimble winter for ya
The way Freya spreads her arms while her tattoos glow after freeing herself from Odin's hold is VERY reminiscent of Baldur being freed from HER magic in GoW4. I love it.
GoW4*
I didn't consider that. She may actually have realized that moment how much it plagued her and how much it must have plagued her son. Maybe that's also one of the reasons for her decision.
@@Star_Taro what did he say originally?
@@craigyeates1854 probably "the first gow" cuz they mightve forgotten about the previous three games or smth
And don’t forget it’s also reminiscent of kratos and how he shed his bandages up on top of the giants fingers when spreading the ashes, I think it’s a symbol of some kind most likely representing both freedom and relief
Kratos has changed so much and I love that. Even in the fights, hes still so much calmer. He lets his guard down when he realizes the woman hes fighting is Freya, and even stops Atreus from fighting her. His relationship with his son shows just how much more he cares now. Begging his son to tell him the truth because hes so worried about him. So glad Sean’s playing this game, its a masterpiece.
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He fights for life not for vengeance anymore, he puts less power in every hit not just because he is older but because he let go of that rage, that is why when he hit Thor with full rage it showed his true power. Just wait and see what I mean I don't want to spoil it for you. Cheers
@@FriedSheep69 His true rage showed when Thor mentioned of harming Atreus, this shows how much Kratos has grown since and shows how much he cares for his family, and he'd do and kill anything to protect them.
@Mr Meseeks I'm so damn excited, gonna go play now lol
@@richardthebrick542 I wanna play it again so bad and do a platinum run but I have so much work after i took a week off just to enjoy it's first play hahaha
Honestly the biggest jumpscare I had so far watching this was when kratos stepped out of the damn door when Atraeus was trying to go in. I Actually let out a little squeak
Yeah that scared the absolute shit out of me when I got to that part in the game.
Mine was when the game and console just stopped. I was so worried that Jack would lose all his progress.
truly an "oh fuck, we're grounded" type reaction
The moment when kratos exited the doorway is the exact moment of the “Huh, that was easy” meme activates the elden ring boss music.
Edit: I probably mean Skyrim boss music
Atreus: *tries to enter the door*
Kratos: tf you think you're going???
Gryla's speech to Angrboda is ironic in more ways than one. In Norse mythology Angrboda is known as the "Mother of Monsters" and is Loki's wife and the mother of Fenrir and Jormungander but is only mentioned ONCE in the entire Poetic Edda, so the line about her being "nothing but a footnote in HIS story." is accurate to the mythology.
Don't forget Hel
Thank you for you're knowledge! Every time I learn one of these details about the lore behind it all, it just adds that much more depth and enjoyment.
damnnnn awesome
tbf, very little of the Norse mythology survives. How many stories there were about her, how many times she was mentioned could be way more than we know of now. In the manuscripts, there's references to Gods and events we have no idea of anymore, but obviously must've seemed like common knowledge to those writing them at the time
Damn that sucks
It's so meta that Angrbodas grandma says that nobody remembers her when she IS not mentioned almost at all at myths even she was a mate of loki and mother of Fenrir, Jörmungandr and Hel.
Wait WUT???? O.o
@Hawklegs in the actual mythos jormangandur is born through loki. He gives birth to him and im if not mistaken loki got cursed after he killed baldur that all his children would be monsters or something to that effect. He was then chained up with venom dripping on him till ragnorak.
@@justdontargue294 I've never heard the monster curse. Jorm, Fenrir, & Hel were maybe the earliest of Loki's kids to be born, & it was through their giant heritage & Odin's meddling that they became monsters. Loki's children w/ Angrboda were prophecized to bring about Ragnarok so Odin dealt w/ them by casting Hel into the realm of the dead (giving her access to its army), chucking Jorm into the sea (allowing him to grow big enough to wrap around the world) & chaining Fenrir once he got too big. This gave Loki's children the motivations & the abilities to bring about the Aesir's end, & makes Raganrok a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Loki's punishment after killing Baldur was to be bound to rock w/ the entrails of his sons Narvi & Vali (his children w/ the goddess Sigyn), & a snake placed over him dripping venom into his eyes until he breaks free at Ragnarok to lead Hel's army of the dead against Odin's einherjar.
I thought the same when I heard that line. Everything we know about Angrboda is her association w/ Loki, & it's not even the only super meta line in the game.
@@justdontargue294 in the actual mythos there are varying accounts for how Jörmungandr came to be, but the most common and most believed is it was Loki and Angrbroda created them. I believe the one you’re thinking of is a poem that describes Loki eating the heart of an evil giantess which then impregnates him. You are mistaken about the curse for killing Baldur as Loki’s children already existed, to punish Loki the Aesir turns his son Váli into a wolf who then killed his brother (also Loki’s son) Narfi and they bound Loki to rocks with his entrails and turned them into iron chains. Sigyn (Loki’s wife and mother of the 2 boys) stays with Loki holding a bowl over his head to catch as much of the poison as she can until he breaks free at Ragnarök.
Freyr: “She’s not to big on forgiveness”
Kratos: No shit, really?
Lol
Well to be fair you killed her son, kinda hard to forgive that
@@me-lz7jb even kratos said she has a right to be mad
angrboda’s dialogue after the encounter with gryla is so fucking heartbreaking. for a young girl who’s already been through so much to hear her once-loving grandmother say all of that to her and still understand what her grandmother is going through is phenomenal. her voice actress acting out the strained pain as she struggles not to break down is amazing.
The voice actress is so amazing. It suits her character very much.
Sorta gives you dementia feels. Parents forgetting their sons and daughters, and being frustrated and confused...
@@khaelkugler Man you really had to fuck me up like that, huh?
Just like real life for most gay kids:)
I was impressed with how the computer animators were able to realistically show her face as quietly broken but "holding it together". Facial emotions are so difficult to portray in computer animation, but as she's walking away, while her grandmother hurls heartbreaking insults at her, her face shows a hurt, quiet dignity.
“We follow your every whim”
“But you don’t believe in any of it”
“And still I follow!”
I love that dialogue so much
That "yep, that's me" freeze frame immediately after "it could hit me in the face" made me HOLLER!!!🤣🤣🤣
i was looking for this comment😂
Jack: "i wished they would talk about Kratos past child and wife"
Kratos: "anyway here is my life story"
Kratos: Fate? Yea I killed the sisters of fate.
I love the callback of Kratos saying “no need to explain. Not to me. Not for that” just like Freya did when he left to get the blades in the first game.
There's a few moments like that amd they're all great
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@@anthonylesley982 why did you reply twice
@@stan52323 why didnt u reply twice
The way how Freya reacted after the "Her name was Calliope." is so overlooked. Reminder that for the entire game up to this point, and a little while after if I'm guessing correctly, Freya wants nothing more than to kill Kratos and avenge her son. But upon the realization that Kratos had lost a little girl before, the hatred and contempt in her voice goes away in an instant, as though she suddenly understood Kratos a little better, as though having a "that explains a lot" moment. At the very end of her conversation, she even says "I shouldn't have asked." in a rather apologetic tone. For a moment, in her mind, she wasn't talking to her sons killer, she was talking to another parent who lost a child, who even after many, many years, still felt that pain as fresh as when he first realized she died by his own ambition.
As much as Freya tries to hide it now, she's a very caring and empathetic soul.
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@@hopper8514 1:20:37
I think Kratos actually understands that, and it’s why he keeps trying to make things right between them. Even when she was trying her hardest to kill him, in the depths of her rage, she was NEVER willing to hurt Atreus. This meant even at her worst, there were some lines she wouldn’t cross. She wouldn’t hurt an innocent just to get to him. Kratos knows from sad experience HE would not be so moral. Because my god the collateral damage HE has been responsible for…
Except she shows Odins traits throughout the whole game,she’s a control freak who is controlled by her emotions and shows nothing but contempt for those who don’t treat her with the utmost respect (that she doesn’t deserve by the way),she’s just an alternate form of Odin,she may be nicer but she was still his wife
@@froginabucket7294 dude that is NOT fair. She made a mistake with Baldur and she learned from it. And refusing to be like Odin, who would sacrifice anything and anyone for more power, was exactly why he turned on her. The marriage was political and it didn’t end well. Ever met a divorced person?
1:59:20 This entire scene is crazy good. Like, the desperate tearing at the roots and the way she says "Get out... get out of me!" And then falls to the ground Is so well acted and emotional. Easily one of my favorite scenes. Danielle killed this role
I’ve seen some people criticizing Freya in this game saying that she’s “weak” because she’s not a 24/7 murder machine, and using scenes like that as an example. It’s ridiculous. Her arc in this game shows exactly how strong she is and how she was able to break free of her trauma is incredible. (I know trauma never fully leaves you, but she won that internal battle). I guess people criticizing her have never dealt with that sort of thing themselves, and they don’t realize how much strength this kind of thing takes. Especially her learning to accept help when she needs it, that’s not a weakness, it’s an extremely difficult and important thing and it shows how much her past betrayals have affected her. Learning to trust herself and others and realizing that she doesn’t have to forget or ignore her past entirely, as shown when she says that the Valkyries and other parts of her life aren’t Odin’s, they’re hers, and she doesn’t have to lose them just because she’s free of him. I love her acting and writing in this game, it’s fantastic. And as someone who deals with past trauma every day, her storyline in this game has really affected me (in a good way). Her revelations have helped me find my strength as well, and I’m so happy to see her story play out.
Tldr: Freya isn’t weak, she’s incredibly strong breaking free of her trauma and her story is amazing.
@@statementofjoespooky1660literally no one calls her weak
@@Nate_mc Just because you haven’t personally seen it doesn’t mean nobody has said it.
@@RebaMcImTired nobody calls her weak
The selflessness and maturity exhibited by Kratos when he deals with Freya is fantastic. It really solidies just how moral he actually is
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@Ruska yeah, her performance is great. I really like that she is very flawed, whilst also having a very nurturing side as well.
The reason kratos keeps needing to talk about himself whenever freya gets upset is because she’s always like “you’d NEVER UNDERSTAND MY PAIN” so he has to give a lil anecdote to explain that not only does he understand. He’s experienced it tenfold!
How much of his story is known outside of Greece is not made clear so clearly, she does not know the full extent of what he has been through. She knows that he has killed many people gods and mortals alike but that seems to be general knowledge among the pantheons. Even Thor described Kratos as the man who killed a pantheon because he got his feelings hurt even though it runs deeper than that.
yeah, sean just called it toxic masculinity though, don't know if he wa being sarcastic or not
@@justarandompepe8961 I literally just got to that part when he said that and I'm like hold up.
Icl I thought he was just trying to one up her to be annoying and I was just kinda laughing at it bec of that thanks for explaining though
What Kratos did here was something many neurodivergent people do. Instead of simply replaying with I know your pain or I think I understand, they reply with a story of their own to show they understand.
it's not about making it about themselves, its more of a "I went through something similar or even the same so I can understand your pain" mechanism
I think that we did indeed just witness the birth of Jormungandr, since cannonically it is from Loki's and Angrboda's union that he is born. Soooooo her helping Atreus by whispering the words alongside him, is indeed a form of union.
I was curious how they would birth of a giant snake, so I like this idea a lot
@@LittleSprout73 Well, Loki have given birth to Goddess of Death, the 8 legged horse Sleipner, Fenrir and the world serpent
And let's just say, that's not the weirdest thing to happen in Norse mythology
@@chrisgames5201 oh god i forgot about slepnir
wonder how the gow devs are gonna get around that
@@chrisgames5201 In the original myths, how did he give birth to them? Is it metaphorical, like in the game, or like actual birthing?
@@8chickenrollsstackedontopo150 actual birth.
“Like you know the pain of losing a child” The way I NEEDED to pause the video and just sit there bro, like WOW. Just wow.
Timestamp?
@@TechBirb 1:20:27
First time playing this game and heard that, my automatic response was "Oh you have no idea the landmine you just stepped on."
"did i ever tell you why my skin is so grey?"
Kratos talking more about his past to Freya makes me want to see jack do a play through of the original games
Didnt he do that already?
@@radutheodor758 no I wish tho I think he played the old games but never made playthroughs on them
That's what I've been thinking every time he mentions the previous game- that'd be so good
I dont know if its age appropriate for Jack to even consider playing. Yall know how sensitively stupid youtube is.
@@MonikerMonkey except that he played this and the 2018 God of war on his channel without a problem
The fact that she kicks the metal piece directly at your face right after you say not to do that, mixed with the edit made me laugh SO hard
Yes. So you there. You must be wondering how we got into this situation.
that was crazy timing LOL
I was wanting to see if it would like effect Atreus or not
7:29
"Do you think after Kratos is done with the Norse gods, he's gonna go fight Jesus?" is definitely one of my favorite moments
I think the next god of war is egyption
wasn’t GOW3 originally gonna start with zeus dying, and then the norse and egyptian pantheon would come over and try to claim the power vacuum of the now dead greek pantheon? And then the norse and egyptian versions of Kratos would show up and they’d team up to defeat the other pantheons, creating monotheism and the Kratoses would become the 3 wise men in the bible?
Honestly at end of a game Kratos and Astreus give me me father and son vibes and Tyr is definitely a Norse Jesus
As a former Christian from Alabama that now has their own personal beliefs, I would pay good money to see a game where Kratos just punches Jesus and says "GET YOUR FOLLOWERS' SHIT TOGETHER, HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT THEY'RE DOING!?"
No, he is mocking one of Allah SWT prophets. This is unacceptable
15:33 “Instead if killing Odin he just takes away his… fire bending”. That made me laugh way more than it should’ve. 😂
actually he is almost right for guessing the ending of this game.
No one can surprise the all-father
“Oh please you know damn well kratos isn’t the true cause of your suffering”. Mimirs switch from trying to broker some peace between kratos and freya to him backing kratos 100 percent. Hes the goat
I mean he does have horns and goat hooves
Yes
Literally
Both literally and figuratively
@@Bionicbutter43 And the beard.
Freya's VA is absolutely killing it.
is it just me or i feel like the va is similar to The Boss from mgs3
She's been killing it since the first game.
Hell, she made me actually feel bad for Baldur's death. "HE ROBBED ME OF EVERYTHING!!", oh the way she delivered that line still claws at my soul.
She's insanely talented
@@AurelionSass literally made me cry. Such a phenomenal character and even better actress, they literally could not have done better with Freya.
Vote for Brent Peterson for president
Man, they really earned that moment of Freya making up or coming to an understanding with Kratos. That middle ground of "I can not forgive you, but I also can't kill you." feels like the right direction to take that.
The reluctant alliance is one of the best plot devices IMO, because everyone agrees to be allies simply for the greater good, rather than forgetting their grievances - you're putting yourself second, and it's a hard thing to do when you're grieving
Yeah. Very believable character writing there. Before the game came out I was expecting Freya to actually succeed in killing Kratos, but of course Kratos would like... Fight his way out of the afterlife or something, and Freya would reconcile with him once he came back, after realizing his death didn't end her grief. Maybe then she's refuse any forgiveness and go into exile or something.
But yeah this works too.
To me it felt like she said that she couldn’t forgive him, but instantly forgave him, now they’re in a romantic boat ride killing beast together while doing side quest, idk maybe make her just slightly more distant till the end of the game
@@leik7728 Bro 😳
She was a lot friendlier in the first game. Now she is able to respect Kratos but still holds some animosity towards him. She's much sassier.
Also, not every boat ride with a man and a woman is inherently romantic. Project, much?
@@beautifulmanstan8840 bro I was joking when I said that lol, the boat rides are honestly awkward as hell
I love that when confronting Atreus you can hear the pain in his voice, instead of an authoritative demand, it feels like he’s begging for his son to open up
I think if there’s one person who actually could’ve been trusted with the secret of Ironwood, it was Kratos. No Asir is going to drag it out of him.
… actually, the danger would’ve been Kratos confiding in someone where Tyr could hear it.
But I think if Atreus made it plain he was telling his father a secret that needed to stay just between them, no secret would’ve been safer.
Of course both of their emotions are too high in that moment. We aren’t told what Kratos was up to for the two days after Atreus vanished from his room, but my guess is he was tearing stuff apart looking for his son. He doesn’t know if he’s been kidnapped or what.
He sounds almost pleading
"I kill to protect my son, to aid my friends..." Cool line, & hearing Kratos refer to having friends is something given how he lived. The place Freya was born is so pretty
He called freya his friend and that made me personally feel something haha, kratos is a mystery
Kratos really is a grumpier and more serious version of shrek, change my mind
@@LeumazDnazor Specifically of Shrek 1 Shrek before he met Donkey.
1:46:48 “I will be no one’s monster. Never again,” is such a nice callback to GoW 2018, when Kratos told Athena that “I am your monster no more.” Especially when he had just retrieved the Blades and had to use them to kill the bridge guard in Helheim to save his son. “I kill to protect my son. To save my friends.” I’m just loving all the callbacks to the previous games.
i believe its 1:46:35
"I FIGHT FOR MY FRIENDS!"
-Dotodoya
It is a nice callback especially considering that he acknowledged that he will still be a monster in a sense. I have heard people saying that he showed either respect or regret to the bridge keeper for having to kill him and take his heart. Looking back, I think I can see why he felt this way. The bridge keeper was not an enemy following him or actively seeking his death, nor was it even an obstacle in his path to the goal of the game. It would have never harmed him if he hadn't appeared in the place that the gate keeper was charged with overlooking. He regretted it because the gate keeper was someone, he had to kill in order to fix a mistake he made, it was a sacrifice to Kratos as Mimir put it, valuing his privacy over his son.
I just wanted to say that
Kratos' voice have gotten softer when he ask Atreus if he's alright after turning into a bear. It made my heart squeeze
He is such a father figure and he loves him even whatever he does to annoy him and also it’s so surprising how the fucking god of war still has sympathy towards him
@@scther4938 They're both annoying each other by how much they both want to protect each other lmaooo.
I had to rewatch it but omg yeah that's adorable
@@procastination_is_my_passi4182 that’s tough love for ya
At this point this is now a new catch phrase
"Well that's Fimbulwinter for ya"
The most Irish sound, Jack has ever pulled off
"Do Not"
@@emu1565 but he is Irish! everything he sounds Irish
That and “I can feel it in my scrote”
One of the reasons they should cast Michael Rooker to play Brok in the GoW show 🤣🤣😂 I mean, he'll just be another blue wise-cracker... who dies in his 2nd appearance 😅🤣 but it's still perfect casting
1:14:40 He also swam in this game... to save Atreus, while his hand was mysteriously frozen in an unusual position.
High five on that
😠🖐🏻
@@stan52323 🤝🏻🤨
Bro he just ascended in swimming mechanics
@@efreniiibravante4373 😠🖐🏻🔗🔗🔗🔗🔗🔗🔗⛓🔗🗡
the little conversation in Freyr'scamp has me dead oh my god
"Hello servant of Freya."
"Do not speak to him. *Jack leaves* Look, you chased him off."
They are also a dark and light elf couple too!!
Lol
@@jofajoy5751 god damn. Good eye
Freya: You dont know me or what im going through! Dont assume things!
Also Freya: *Doesnt know Kratos or his life story and assumes things*
“But that’s not how victim mentality works”
I really cannot stand her. What she did to Baldur was abuse, no excuses. And then she has the audacity to act like his death wasn't entirely on her.
Yeah like bro killed his first family and is cursed to forever wear their ashes. Then watched his brother die had to kill all his greek family. Man's life is kinda fucked up
Only a fool asumes you eater know or do not
@@ChordsandSotoOfficial i like how your example of Kratos' pain is about how many of his family he's had to kill🤣
i know the story but without context it really doesn't look great
Racing Angrboda while in wolf form for the first time gave me CHILLS. Such a great set piece in the game.
It’s the only good part of Ironwood if we’re being honest
@@moneygrabber6720as much as i hate to say it, that’s pretty true. i love the atreus combat but god did that part DRAG
@@moneygrabber6720i also thought it was a drag but i personaly love angrboda as a companion. Her moves are really cool to use and look at. Just seeing the battlefield be covered in splashes of color is so cool .
The whole Jörmungandr thing was so interesting to watch unfold. For those who don’t know, in Norse mythology Loki and Angerboda are Jörmungandr’s biological parents. The game essentially found a less weird way to make make Loki and Angerboda be the “parents” of a giant snake lmao
now its just time to figure out ferir and hel... really dont know whoe there going to figure out hel
Maybe Hel will be Loki and Angerboda Biological child?
@@josepruitt1811 problem it’s a game made by real people and the characters are in the early teens, unless that happens years later it ain’t kosher chief
Didn’t loki gave birth to some kind of weird horse or something?
@@frensilkie8769 yeah loki gave birth to a horse weirdest stuff ever lmao
Freya's actress, Danielle, was robbed of a nomination. Her acting was amazing
She worked as someone important in DareDevil, forgot who she was as it’s been a year since my last watch 😅😅
@@ArkhamKnight-2007 you're thinking of Faye
@@ArkhamKnight-2007 it's Faye, she's played by Deborah Ann Woll who also plays Karen in the MCU. She's a huge nerd and plays dnd and she played twiggy in critical role and she's played in many other web shows, it makes sense she'd eventually get to voice acting for games at some point.
FRRRRR! My favorite scene of hers is when she’s still tryna kill Kratos. Before she moves the earth she yells for Kratos. The raw emotion and anger, ahh! I can’t pick a favorite moment nevermind. Every time Freya’s on screen is my favorite
There’s still the BAFTAs
freya: you do not know the pain of losing a child
kratos: oh do i have a story for you
And he literally told it to her 😂😂😂
"Imagine being tricked into murdering your own daughter then having her remains permanently smeared across your skin as an insult and reminder of your failure." -Kratos internally after hearing that statement.
1:20:07 , 1:24:09
"Let me tell you story of how I got permenant whiteface..."
I love how Jack is claiming kratos doesn't have leadership qualities yet the guy led wars was a general and is confident enough in his own abilities to take on the gods and had the determination to see it through
Man really forgot Kratos' entire history prior to becoming a one-man Deity Destroyer.
@@_V.Va_ deity
@@patootie3529 There we go, thanks.
@@_V.Va_Nah he explained charisma is ALSO a leader's strength
Fun fact since Jack slightly brought it up. Kratos was originally going to destroy the Greek pantheon and other pantheons would try to conquer Greece resulting in Kratos finding out that there's other versions of himself in the other pantheons, presumably Tyr and the god of war from Egypt. They would team up, destroy all pantheons, and they then become the three wise men who show up at the birth of Jesus. Obviously, that wasn't the ending we got but it's still cool knowing that one of the canceled storylines involved Kratos meeting Jesus.
We need the Jesus boss fight
Wouldn't mind a pantheon world war and its Kratos's new quest to stop it in a new game. The possible pantheon conquering Greece are the Persian Gods and Egyptian Gods but its also a cool thought of them competing violently over Greece and Kratos would come back to save it.
It also would’ve been the funniest fucking ending ever. Imagine telling the story of god of war to someone and then at the end you have to say “and then he met Jesus”
Horus, is the god of war in egypt, if I remember correctly
It can't be a fun fact. The "three wise men" are also know as "The Magi". They were not from Egypt, Greece, or Nordic, they were Canaanites from east of Jerusalem what we know now as Iraq and Iran. They were wizards. "Magi" (the word used in the Latin writing of the days of Jesus) is one who practices magic or a Magician. The Magi were not considered "Gods" or Demi-gods but rather were mortal men and priests of the Babylonian gods. The Babylonian Magi had learned of the signs (like the star rising in the west) in the prophecies of the appearance of the Jewish Messiah through the teachings of the Jews during their 70 year captivity in Babylon under King Nebuchadnezzar, and had passed the Jewish prophecies down for 500 years. The Greek God of War was Ares, Roman was Mars, Norse was Tyr. You are correct that these were all one-in-the-same. Kratos on the other hand was a created spirit in mortal human form or the personification of "Strength". He was created by Pallas and Styx and there was only one of him - there is no Roman or Nordic equivalent.
I love that Freya doesn't just straight up forgive him. She explains that she will always be angry for what he did to her son and although he's done much good for her, she can never find a place in her heart to say he was in the right. Some stories would have had her forgive him or concede that what he did was right. I'm glad that they didn't go with that choice.
i totally agree, and yet they still managed to have this sincere reconciliation between the two. they gave their arc such a complex resolution and it was handled soooo freakin' well
I honestly think she understands why Kratos killed deep down and that she would have down the same but still hates him because he killed her only child ever and that child was from a loveless marriage
I honestly believe freya views him as a necessary evil
Won’t stop people from shipping those two
And to think some people are actually saying she’s a Karen and bad writing that she can’t get over her son in 3 years
Sean's plan for Thor and Odin's souls at 31:32 caught me so off guard 😂I don't know why I'm surprised
Exactly 😂😂😂😂
Analbead 😂
Reminds me of "History of the World Part 1". By Mel Brooks. Romans suggest that the punishment for a slave striking a citizen should be to "Shove a living snake up (his) ***". It's shot down, but noted for its creativity.
Now that's a thought I could live without.
@@philippeblais8594 Mel Brooks baby.Great movies, you should watch them. Also, sorry about that.
I think its obvious with how she acted after Kratos saved her again, Freya is split, she wants to forgive but wants retribution. When they are alone together its clear she is kinda prodding for reasons for either side, she was willing to hear him out.
Its good how they made it that Freya can forgive, but never forget.
Which, ya know what, fair enough. I think one reason why Kratos tolerated all of her attempted murders is because he could see, even in the depth of her rage, that there were lines she wouldn’t cross. She refused to hurt Atreus, for example, not even to get to his father. She wasn’t going to allow an innocent to suffer for her revenge. She wants one head and one head only.
Kratos, uh, well, when he was in her position, avenging the death of a child, his attitude towards collateral damage was …. Uh… not that. 😅 he didn’t hesitate to go through the children of his targets if they stood in his way. Nobody’s grief mattered except his.
1:20:51 Freya's VA does such a good job of portraying that exact moment when she decides "oh shit, I might not be able to hate this man"
"There was another..."
her voice when she says this is just..
The look on Freya's face at Kratos pacifying a raged out Atreus knowing damn well she would have been murdered had he not is priceless. Even as the Valkyrie Queen, Kratos did just kick her ass, so...
That and the fact that days before that Atreus had begged her to not make him shoot her, had tried to negotiate with her and she hadn't even known he was capable of shape-shifting... she was probably shitting herself cause Atreus wasn't holding back so suddenly after being such a sweet gentle kid to her up until this point.
@@lilchaos9212 yep. Switched from innocent farm boy with stickler parent to Son of the God-Killer, Champion of Jotnar in literally an instant. It was awesome.
She also realized she could have also possibly scarred atreus for life had she not
I don't think her look had anything to do with that, she got so angry right after, something tugged on her heart strings, I think the idea was that Freya saw some of her own son in atreus and she saw that atreus has the potential to go down the same path, but Kratos is a good enough parent to guide and nurture atreus so he doesn't go that route, seeing Kratos do what she never did probably made her feel guilty, like it was her own fault her son became how he was, and that feeling was so painful she got angry and ignored her thoughts and went right back to blindly blaming someone else.
I love it how we all read the scene differently :') For me it looked like at first she felt bad and guilty about what she was going to do when she saw Kratos stopping Atreus, especially him saying how she was their friend. Because it seemed at that moment she realized that what she was doing wasn't okay, she was hurting the people she cared about before. She felt bad looking at the scene of a father caring for his son and vice versa. Then as the scene continued seeing them have what she can't have anymore, and again remembering that it is their fault that she can't have it, turned her to feeling angry again.
From someone like Kratos, saying "I did not wish to live with killing you, any more than I wished to die" just really tells you he's not even considering defeating her. He's straight up not ready to accept either his death or hers. He didn't fight with her because he was at an impasse and he did not want to go down the arguably only route he ever knew.
Agreed.
Atreus: It is always moral to kill what is trying to kill us?
Also Kratos: Yes.
Moral and desirable are two different things.
1:57:58 I love how when Kratos says "Let us finish this" his voice is almost like in the old games
Kratos was a spartan commander so his "LET US FINISH THIS" was a line he said while changing as a spartan also SOUNDED AWESOME
Jormungandrs theme playing while Loki and Amgrboda “create” a giant/snake hybrid is so so cool and so full of symbolism if you know the connection between loki, angrboda, and jormungandr in the legends.
Do you believe that could’ve been the birth of jormungandr in that scene?
@@emilygentry2342 i do think it’s possible! they’re already travelling between realms, what’s to say a branch won’t let them travel to another time?
@@KabeerKishore UGH, I am trying so hard not to spoil a later bit. lol
@@angryreaper9336 haha i look forward to seeing it!
@@KabeerKishore I don't remember if this was in the previous GoW or some weird theory, but I remember something about Jormungandr fighting Thor and being hit so hard it was sent to the past. That's why it was there and already knew Atreus.
That race as loki with wolf form was the most memorable moment for me. Something felt so incredibly good playing that, loki being able to control it so well while having fun with the music, so good.
Please play LOZ TP
You will not have a better expirience being a wolf in many other games - including this one
@@incognitoman3656 eh other games that have wolf's look quite better
The vibe of that whole race segment was just so wholesome and innocent. Atreus has spent the entire game up till that point worried and seeing horrible things and being shown that at the end of the day he is still a kid who wants to have fun is such a sweet moment. In that moment he didn't have any rage, he was just happy
@@hammer-0 graphics don’t really matter to me, it’s more the feel
@@incognitoman3656 when I said look I actually meant how it is to play as wolf's like one of the games I'm thinking of looks like a better experience to me about playing as a wolf because you can play as this hulk sized werewolf and a normal animal wolf
They did such a good job with freya specifically. Her emotion and voice lines are so deep and emotional. Every time she’s on screen I just see the untempered force of a goddess with nothing to lose, but even with that her goodness and compassion keep shining through. Just a little. Beats beautiful.
Agreed.
In the opening after they shake her off…”KRRRAAAAAATOOOOOOOSSSSS!!!!!!”
I know she just wants to kill him but at some points it feels a bit annoying "You don't know anything about me." "How can you know how it feels to...." "Only I understand the pain I've been through." And i know she doesn't know his full backstory but i fully expected Kratos at one point to yell "SHUT UP WOMAN AND LISTEN FOR ONCE."
I don't think that would have helped any more than it would have helped Kratos when he was raging against Olympus. He is trying to persuade her abandon her vendetta, but he knows from first-hand experience how difficult it can be to dissuade a person from this course when they have started on it. Vengeance is something that can sound like an easy to way to fix all of one's problems, an easy way to make all the pain go away just by killing the one perceived responsible. Yet the words of vengeance are poison laced with honey, they slowly wear away at a person like a festering wound so that they do not notice or care about their better traits being consumed by it. Eventually vengeance usually consumes the people who seek it one way or another and the cycle goes on and on from person to person. Kratos should consider himself lucky that he is both still alive and that he has a chance to start anew after completing his revenge, most who seek revenge are not that fortunate.
Freya's dialogue after the ancient seems to be based on your health. For me she said "You've fought them before" or something
2:02:54 This part made me tear up, that is the exact thing Freya said to Kratos in the first game. That is amazing writing.
i'm really surprised jack didnt even realized/reacted to it. or maybe he knew but didnt give a reaction.
I teared up during this scene as well. Its also amazing to see how much Kratos has changed, and how 'human' he can actually be.
Yes
Freya and Kratos are such complex and well written characters, it's really amazing to observe their relationship and similarities within the dialogue between them. Such a magnificent game.
Yes, rule 34 made sure to mate them very well
@@FriedSheep69ah hell naw 💀
@@FriedSheep69 we get it you have a porn addiction
@@BoBo-pl3ww I've seen horses less hung than Kratos.
@@FriedSheep69 tbh I don't even know what that means nor do I care to
"Shes not a monster, shes just lost"
That crippled me. My own grandmother pased this year and she was wrapped in her fury to the last. But the kid me still remembers the kind person she was
My grandmother is dealing with Parkinson's and it is changing her memories and herself. It is tough and exhausting to see her like this but the memories I have with her before this time is what I remember most about her.
My grandma passed away a few weeks ago. Because of old age.
But she had been suffering from dementia for many years. And it was hard watching her not even be able to remember who her children where and even sometimes lashing out at them.
But pleasant memories got all of us through it
My grandmother was the reverse she was a terrible mom but amazing grandmother which only made it worse knowing she kicked several addictions and learned to censor herself just to die at the age of 60. I got to see the best half of my grandmother's life and it lasted like 20 years not even half her life. She completely changed for the better (mostly) just to die way to early to medical complications from years of drug abuse.
My condolences, always remember the good times and the lessons learned from her. ❤️
@@GeekyGaia
Very sorry to hear that you and your family are going through this. ❤️
Stay strong and keep showing her love.... And remember, It's not her lashing out It's the disease. She still loves you very very much and would show it if she could.
Embrace the good days and let the bad days go.
Take care 💞
Atreus: “I don’t want to fight you! We can help you! We can free you! Don’t fight!”
Jack: “I think the game is glitched Atreus isn’t fighting.”
no it is a glitch, this happened to me and when i reloaded my save he did help in the fight after that. this wasnt so long ago either as i just started to replay the game, so it is a bug :/
@@aleesajordan4747I think what happened was the game thought your companion was still Angrboda, but she wasn't there.
@@kaIamos yknow, that could be it!
@@kaIamosthe arrow indicator in the bottom right is purple still, so I bet you’re right.
Love how when Atreus gave the soul to the snake and it "woke up" it played the Jörmungandr theme. Definitely feels like some time shenanigans going on here
God I hope not that would be so boring
@@-MiniBritton- it kinda makes sense since jörmungandr in the triptych travels through time during his fight with Thor
@@-MiniBritton- how would that be boring? he would be basically creating a new life form by imparting a soul into a new body and it would perfectly line up lmao
and in the prophecy, we saw a snake being released from a bag, this could be the giants soul being released into a snake
It likely is. White scales with green pattern, yellow eyes. It's Jormungandr. Loki technically birthed it in that moment, and we know Jormangandr uses time travel against Thor during their fight, and we also know Jotunheim's time works differently to every other realm.
I would bet money that snake is Jormungandr.
Freya: "Watch out for those"
Jack: walks straight into the mine flower without listening at all
Freya: "Told you"
When I played through that part, I heard her and still walked into it xD
@@Himonly414 I did the exact same thing too lol
I mean they made her start warning about those like a second to late
Brok: "Fuckle!"
7:21 Jack never knew what would happen after knocking down that cage was the one of the funniest comedic timing.
I love how Kratos now allows himself to FEEL for Atreus. He hasn't allowed himself to truly care about anything since the death of his wife and daughter in fear of feeling such loss and agony again, and seeing him finally love him as his son and worry for him so deeply is heartwarming, I'm so happy for that.
It's such a little detail but one that matters so much. He loves Atreus enough to not suffer the same loss twice, and he would do anything to prevent that.
I wonder what happened to his former wife and daughter now that he killed the Greek Gods off, especially considering that Hades was in charge of the Greek Underworld. Did they just get shifted to another afterlife plane?
@@OleDirtyMacSanchez I assume they were shifted to Niflheim or the lake of souls, we see Zeus in Niflheim in the first game too
@@OleDirtyMacSanchez kraits was tricked by ares to kill his own wife and daughter because he was bound to ares but after the anihalation of greec the god went to this weird spirit thing in the Norse nine realms it was in the other game or this one mimir explained it
@@gamerguys4451 So they did get shifted over to a new afterlife then.
The way Kratos stuttered in disbelief when he recognized Freya is amazing
I like a spicy woman.
How'd you guys meet? I killed her son and she adopted mine.
Jack: there's going to be like 15 episodes.
Me: starts crying tears of joy
As someone who had watched the full game, I can confidently say, that might be the least number of episodes Jack can make out of this game, because if he is willing to play this game to its fullest, which knowing Jack he would absolutely do it, it would take more than 15 episodes of 2 hour average videos to finish it.
The creator said that they doubled the gameplay and cinematic compared to the first norse installment
@@anyhow8174 If he focused on main story only how many ep will we get?
@@Ifishbirds that probably explains why it’s a duology and not a trilogy
@@anyhow8174 all the better
2:03:20 "I do not regret saving your life nor I ever will, but the choice of life and death was yours to make. I should not have robbed you of that choice" I'm sure Joel had the same opinion after what he did for ellie
@Jack Guy Honestly, both the fireflies and Joel took her choice. I would argue Joel even more so, since Ellie would have wanted to die to save humanity
The fireflies did it first, they didn’t even let her wake up first
@@LeumazDnazorEh. Ellie would have died for nothing.
You can't fight a fungal infection with a Vaccine. It seems all the smart doctors had died during the initial outbreak.
Jack: "Whatever you do, don't kick it in my direction, cuz it might hit me in the face."
Angrboda: "YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!"
that part was so funny🤣
Angrboda "And I took that personally"
Danielle Bisutti deserves a freaking Emmy nomination as well as a Game Award nomination as Freya, she is a force of nature in this game.
Force of nature… was that a pun?
@@tyty-xm8fw THat's Fimbulwinter for ya.
True true
She was always amazing even in the previous game, but man, she went further above and beyond in this.
Gryla is a great metaphor for Alzheimer’s or overall senility imo. It really made me emotional, it’s pretty common that these patients become aggressive towards their own family or caretakers.
Its also how addicts act.
Ah, I thought it may have been grief, but perhaps you're right. Maybe even a combination of the two?
That’s not how alzheimers works at all
it hit so close to home
Legitimately this is a beautiful idealized retelling of the birth of jormungandr as angrboda is the mother and loki is the father of the big world snake.
The conversation between father and son at 40:00, so amazing by the actors. I feel for both Kratos and atreus. Nobody knows what to do or how to handle it and all they really want is eachother alive and well.
I never thought I would hear the words, “hemorrhoid of history.” This play through is just the gift that keeps on giving.
Fr 😭
I read this comment right after he said that 😂 😂
Can we give props to Angrboda for not wanting to murder her own grandmother? Like, the entire scene reminded me of Hera's death. Her emotional management is god levels better than Kratos even in his current state. I high-key wished Gryla received the same Hera treatment right then, but the franchise really goes to show the growth of the games.
I wanted Atreus to shoot her so bad. Imagine being not only the last of your family but the last of your species except for someone who speaks to you like THAT. I just felt so sad for Angrboda & wanted nothing more than for her to come back & live at Sindri's. Maybe he won't be happy about a new person & a bunch of animals but at least you wouldn't be alone, girl.
her grndmother telling her that noone will remember her hits hard, when you remember how jack was like "Who is angrboda?"
😭
Man Brok really is that one guy who doesn't care about status. Doesn't care who you are, how big you are, mad lad isn't scared of anyone.
Maybe cuz 1/4 of his soul is gone
That's fimbulwinter for ya!
Freya’s “boss name,” Vanadis, is such a cool touch, because that’s ACTUALLY HER NAME. One of ‘em anyway. And now I’m kicking myself because I didn’t realize it until the “reveal,” despite knowing this information beforehand.
That’s pretty cool dude, i’m not too knowledgeable about norse mythology but i’m not totally in the dark either so this was a cool fact i can add to the mythology library i’m making
freya: can you please just shut up and kill things ?!
kratos: *immediately walks away*
Kratos’ voice cracking at 39:55 is so good. Mans cares about his son so much
more so at 39:41
Fr, just the look on his face when he stepped through the door, he is terrified for that boy
“Do you think when Kratos is done with the norse gods he’s gonna go and fight Jesus?”
Made me spit out my coffee
The Norse saga is the end for Kratos' story
no
he BCOMES JAYSUS!!!
NOT THE JACKSEPTICEYE COFFEE!
@@theonewhoismany8072 no it is not iver yet for kratos no one have confirmed it
Well if he does go to another universe where jesus exists I don't think he will kill jesus or god
Kratos goes back to Sindri's house and Ratatoskr is just like "WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU DO!?"
Kratos saying that he “burned Olympus to the ground” gives chills everytime I rewatch this series
I like how on 2:02:59, Kratos told Freya what she told him back in the last game when Atreus got sick. It has truly gone full circle
It is truly an amazing callback of that line. The writing in this game is phenomenal. 👌🏼
@@rmgelite3967 truly is a great damn callback wow.
Yup
The Freya - Kratos reconciliation was done really well. Not hammy or on the nose. And bringing in his past as a touchstone for his empathy was perfectly done.
Indeed, it could have been cheesy, excessively convenient and even out of character, instead the build up to it was done perfectly, and the final dialogue fully respected the characters.
@@ulyssesocounter8488 i was expecting it to draw out all the way to before the actual battle of ragnarok, so seeing it happen at the middle of the game was nice
I dont really think you can forgive somebody killing your child so it is still unrealistic to me, but it was done in a healthy way. Her not exactly forgiving, but realising that in the grand scheme of things, revenge would only hurt her and help Odin.
@@xervislane770 “to be honest, I don’t think I can do either” Freya did not forgive him in that moment, not fully at least, but she understood Baldur’s death had more than one culprit, including Odin and herself. The moment she truly moved on from Baldur was once she realized she didn’t need to hold onto that anger any longer, at the end of the game.
Atreus going ATLA mode and using Aang's pacifist way to defeat Odin is the single most interesting theory anyone has said, I love it
@@nikornic2569 spoiler
Not quite. He doesn’t die-power him like ant did too ozai, but he does take his soul and trap it in a marble.
@@B-rex395 ant💀
28:21
"Ah! This is just like _Twilight_ when Jacob turned into one!"
*Still a better love story than **_Twilight_** .*
Honestly my first thought was Legend of Zelda: *Twilight* Princess
Less than 10 minutes later
"What if we just put Odin and thors souls into two balls and turn them into anal beads and stick them up somebody's a**? Like a Giant or something?"
Beautiful love story
Atreus, where have you been loca?
Ikr I was like, don’t you dare compare this masterpiece to twilight of all things 😂
Even if Jack leaves us on a cliffhanger, I'm still happy because I know there will be more tomorrow
Yeah. I'm very happy he made this series. Didn't have anything good to watch lately
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Ya but u have to wait a day
Yes but no, I’m not tryna get blue balled on Gow content
That finbulwinter for ya
To be honest, I cried as Freya desperately broke each of the world tree's branches off. Such phenomenal voice acting, and as a woman who has suffered from the wrath of a man, her line "get out of me" hit so close to home. What a powerful moment.
That never even occurred to me 🥺 Whoa. And with how Odin stripped her of her individuality using the mantle of "Frigg", isolated her from her family and turned them against her, and then used the only thing she loved, her child, to hurt her further? The potential symbolism there is horrifying oh my god.
me too :( that line just hit too hard
Yeah
Same.❤️🩹🫂
The voice actor also went through a divorce in her life which I imagine added to her performance.
1:59:30 Okay if Freyas voice actor doesn't at least get a nomination for the Game Awards for this performance, nothing else in that category deserves to be there.
She didn’t but luckily krato’s and Atreus’s did
How many times do we have to tell everybody that this is not just voice acting, she is acting, full body in the mocap suits.
39:31 Kratos wants to be mad but he’s actually PLEADING for his son to open up, not knowing that Atreus promised he wouldn’t speak a word. You can hear Kratos plead in the “and still I follow”
That whole talk between Kratos and Freya where he tells the sparknotes of how he killed his wife and daughter shows how Kratos has grown as a person. There was a time in the original trilogy, where anybody that raised their hand or blade to Kratos would be painfully and brutally killed, even slowly if they had the vitality to withstand Kratos' fury. The fact that Freya has tried many, many times to kill Kratos since the end of GoW4 and he spares her every time just tells LEAPS and BOUNDS about the changes in thinking and acting he went through during his time in Midgard. More modern writers need to fucking keep up!
I don't think Sean remembers the last game when Freya said the same thing when she was healing Atreus. "No need to explain, not to me, not for that" I love that this game pays homage to each one prior to it
It was a nice touch that they added the "No need to explain... Not to me, not for that..." line that Freya said to Kratos in the 2018 game when he went to go get his Blades, and now Kratos says it back to Freya. Was a very nice touch
Yes
Freya and Kratos two very broken people, I'm glad they've sort of come to an understanding, about both of their pasts, equally heartbreaking.
Correct
Kratos' VA having some softness and vulnerability when he sees Tre after 2 days, and then again when he asks Freya what she needs, absolutely wonderful
Freya: it's been a long time since I've had a choice.
Jack: slowly pans the camera to the decapitated beast she just killed.
Lol
I really like that Brok is still able to dispense some potent wisdom about family relationships even though he's missing a quarter of his soul. He can still feel! That makes me feel a lil warm and fuzzy
Same, but the only part of his soul thats missing is his direction, so he still has his other ones that would actually make Brok, Brok
It’s so cool how this game chooses to sort of go along with mythology but giving it their own twist, in Norse mythology Loki and Angrboda give birth to the world serpent and it’s amazing how they sort of portrayed it here with both of them together putting a giants soul into a serpent/snake and thus “making” Jormangandr. Just something I thought was really neat!
Maybe that was jormungander?? Just a small portrayal of it ?
@@grace.stewartt4224 I mean that snake have jormie's theme ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@grace.stewartt4224 yeah I’m pretty sure it was
It's jorm after awhile when loki meets agrboda again she says the snake is growing weirdly big.
So that guy will be thrown back in time during Ragnarök and become the big boy we meet in the first game.
Maybe the "ancient" language he speaks with the drawn out vowels is based on Angrboda's calls and singing.
I love how the further along the game goes, you can see Kratos slowly aging. It’s subtle but it’s there
Obviously graphics have gotten better since the original God of war games but yeah you're right and this cutscene with Freya you can just see how like worn and tired he looks
@@dark_neverland I noticed this an episode or two ago when they were sitting down eating dinner, reminded me he really is an old man at this point
@@CrystalRose1111 he’s middle aged for a half-GOD, but that’s a face that shows the scars of time.
Also I’m pretty sure after certain fights, you can hear him breathing heavily like he’s tryna catch his breath. A nice little detail that he’s not as spry as he once was
Oh, you can definitely tell that as the game progresses that everything is just weighing on him. He’s having a harder time catching his breath, he’s aging, and he’s got a son who is hellbent on trying to do everything his way or no way. I wouldn’t blame Kratos for being like “peace out, imma take a nap”
Mythology(/language) trivia (part 1/2):
0:10 Irpa is a female form of Jarpr ("dark brown"), and Nótt means "night".
0:48 "Taka" means "to take, catch, seize" in Icelandic.
1:07 "Skjálfa" means "to shiver, tremble" in Icelandic.
1:35 Grýla is a horrifying monster and a giantess living in the mountains of Iceland, commonly used to scare children into good behvior. She's said to eat mischievous children.
2:36 Wulver is a kind of wolf-like humanoid creature (with a man-like body and a wolf's head) in the folklore of the Shetland Islands of Scotland. They're said to be kind and benevolent, only attacking if provoked. Unlike werewolves, they do not shapeshift.
4:55 "Láta" means "put, place; let, allow; concede, yield; leave, leave off; lose; cause to be done, command; behave (as if); declare; sound" in Old Norse.
13:11 "Vekja" means "to awaken, to wake up" in Icelandic.
12:20 "What if that's how Jormungandr is born?" Jormungandr (aka "the world serpent", since it was so big it could encircle the world) was indeed a child of Loki and the giantess Angrboda, so maybe this could be a way the devs are interpreting Jormungandr's "birth" (since both of them were responsible for it).
15:24 What ultimately happens to Kratos is up for grabs (he's not a Norse mythology chracter), but Odin and Fenrir are fated to kill each other (which implies Fenrir would come back somehow, if they're following the mythology).
20:44 "Springandi klöngur" means "exploding noise" in Icelandic.
20:57 "Draga hann undir" means "Drag him under" in Icelandic.
21:29 "Brenna bein" means "burning bones" in Icelandic.
21:35 "Soltinn kjöptr" means "hungry jaws" in Icelandic.
21:46 "Hata hjörð" means "hate flock" in Icelandic.
21:56 "Stein fúna" means "stone rot" in Icelandic.
23:14 "Jörð gleypa" means "swallowing earth" in Icelandic.
41:35 Vanadís ("Dise of the Vanir") is one of the names of the goddess Freya (other ones were Gefn ("The Giving One"), Hörn ("Spirit of Flax"), Mardöll ("Sea-brightener"), Sýr ("Sow"), and Valfreyja). Since Freya also receives half of the slain (Einherjar) chosen by the valkyries in her afterlife field Fólkvangr (the other half going to Odin's Valhalla), it is thought Freya is connected to the valkyries (with the game calling her a "former Queen of the Valkyries").
43:26 "Dýr atrás" means "animal charge" or "beast attack" in Icelandic (it's what he says when summoning the goat).
46:08 "Braudnefr" is a swear that means "breadnose" in Norse (Brok basically called Sindri a "brown-nose").
46:37 Vanaheim is the world of the Vanir gods (despite living with the Aesir, that's where Freya came from, being a Vanir goddess herself).
50:21 Freyr ("Lord") is the main god of the family of the Vanir, the son of Njord (the sea god), and the brother of Freya. He lives in Alfheim and owns the magical ship Skidbladnir and the golden boar Gullinbursti. Freyr and Surtr (ruler of the fire giants) are fated to kill each other during the Ragnarok.
Mythology(/language) trivia (part 2/2):
50:46 Muspelheim is the primordial world of fire.
52:30 "Fálki" means "falcon" in Icelandic.
1:05:38 Yngvi is an older name for Freyr.
1:06:41 "Blábr" is similar to "blár", which means "blue" in Icelandic (referring to Brok's skin color).
1:07:33 Huldra (meaning "covered" or "secret") are beautiful and seductive female forest beings.
1:09:54 Birgir is an Old Norse form of bjarga ("to help, to rescue"), and also an Old Norse form of GEIR ("spear").
1:10:12 Byggvir is Old Norse for "seed corn" or "barley ghost". He and his wife Beyla ("little bean" or "little swelling") are servants of Freyr.
1:13:24 Deimos ("dread") is a god of (pre-war) terror, son of Ares and Aphrodite. His twin brother Phobos ("fear") was a god of the fear caused by (and during) wars. Kratos was a son of the titans Pallas and Styx.
1:20:41 In Greek mythology, Calliope ("beautiful voiced", the goddess of eloquence) was the eldest of the Nine Muses (goddesses of music, song and dance).
1:21:45 "Ó gott, fleira dýr at drepa" means "Oh god, more animals to kill" in Icelandic.
1:25:32 Nøkken (or Nixie) are shapeshifting freshwater spirits, who try to lure their victims into the water.
1:27:44 "Ek em svo móðr af regni þessu"; "Mér líkar"; "Er eins ok örvar mjukar. Meira regn segi ek" means "I'm so sick of (angry at) this rain"; "I like (it)"; "It's like softened arrows, more rain I say" in Icelandic (maybe Vanaheim is the in-game Ireland Jack was talking about).
1:29:40 Agoge ("to lead") was a rigorous training regimen for Spartan men in preparation for army service.
1:30:24 Midgard was the world of humanity (Earth).
1:32:02 Nornir (or Norns) were the three female beings who create and control fate. They do so by casting wooden lots, weaving a piece of cloth, or and carving runes into the trunk of Yggdrasil.
1:39:40 "Andskotar Ásgarðar! Vita ván dýrs dauða!" means "Enemy of Asgard! Expect (having) the death of an animal!" in Icelandic.
1:39:44 Fiske is a surname that comes from the Old Norse "fiskr" (meaning "fish"). It was also a nickname for a fisherman or for a fish seller.
1:47:59 "Opinbera" means "to manifest, reveal" in Old Icelandic.
1:48:24 Nidhogg ("He Who Delivers Hateful Blows") is a dragon who devours corpses and chews on the roots of Yggdrasil (the world tree). Since Yggdrasil holds the nine worlds, Nidhogg's actions also contribute to Ragnarok (the destruction of the whole cosmos), so it's kinda weird they tried to spin Nidhogg as a protector of Yggdrasil's roots.
1:58:52 "Læsa rífa" means "rip/tear lock" in Icelandic.
I assumed from context that Brok was calling him a “brown-noser”, so thanks for confirming with the translation!
thank you
Thank You, you mad lad.
Thank you😁