Endogenous Retrovirus Insertions (Evolution) (feat. Conspiracy Catz)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Kent Hovind was unprepared to talk about endogenous retrovirus insertions in his debate with Conspiracy Catz. So he decided to enlist help from fellow young-earth creationist, Matt Powell, to attempt to show how this genetic phenomenon failed to support the theory of biological evolution.
As ERVs are part of what convinced me that evolution is true, I was excited to have Conspiracy Catz himself join me to bring everyone the real science behind these amazing remnants of ancestors past.
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I'll never EVER forget the day that Matt Powell told me the sun burns hot because the air is different in space. EVER lol
There's air in space????
By the way @Shannon how's Bill treating you. You Lucky Lady.
In one of the King Crocoduck debates, Hovind actually said that fire was an example of matter being converted into energy. I shouldn't be surprised at this stuff anymore, but they keep one-upping themselves.
It's not the fact that guys like Matt have no clue what they're talking about and continue to babble on these issues that gets me, it's that they think they can say _absolutely anything_ and people will still believe them.
Even worse is the frequency with which they're correct about that, in an era where we can all fact check almost anything in the space of a few minutes, not much need to even visit a library. Just blows my mind.
I'm sure I'm totally wrong about stuff too without even realising it, but I hope I'd at least check before spreading hairbrained nonsense to a large audience like that.
Wow.......
When I first learned of ERVs I was fascinated by how they prove common ancestry, about as well as pseudo-genes. And thanks for the book analogy.
Kent using the "dime store lab coat " argument.
The Kent doth protest too much, methinks.
IIRC, there are some ERVs that are beneficial. I believe there is one that actually aids in conception/gestation in a major way.
Damn Paul youre on a roll. The videos with Matt and Eric were great. Now you have the funniest Flat Earth Debunker.
Definitely more people should know about ERVs
Kent: (oh oh he’s using big words I don’t understand) I’ve never seen a dog make a non-dog!
Catz with Paulogia? Thank you sir, may I have another?
Hey Paul, where can I get Catz’s ERV slides that are shown in the inset?
Don't mind me, just leaving a note for myself to look at the papers around this timestamp :) 12:35
Matt Powell has quite a resume 😂🤹🤦🤦🤦🤯
I especially like the comment about your username and caricature, as if all your credit roll isn't loaded with equally silly caricature. : ^)
1 John 2:18 Whoa to this man for the words spoken against the Almighty.
"I whipped Kent really badly."
Or to put it in terms that Kent would understand, you "smote him hip and thigh."
Conspiracy Catz on Paulogia?
I'm not prepared for that
Love it, don't forget SciManDan, he also tried to debate Dr. Kent the Science Gent, I am not prepared for that - won't take a GSE test to get into college, in the UK if I understand, being from VA - USA. I would love to see all three of on the Nonsequitor Show with Kent. Thank all you for great videos and giving information about reality. Take care and stay Safe, Happy and Healthy.
@@55Quirll i dint know where you get that impression of British universities.
Nice one.
@@TazPessle SciManDan wanted to give Kent a GCSE test to see his knowledge of science and Kent declined for some reason. A test that students would take to see if they are good enough to get into a University. In America it is called an SAT- Scholastic Aptitude Test - to see if the Student will do well in what are called Ivy League Colleges - Harvad, MIT, - There are several others. If they don't meet the minimum requirements than they should apply to State colleges or such that aren't as rigorous Sorry for the long winded explanation.
@@55Quirll a GCSE is a general qualification in a given subject for 16 year olds. SATs and CATs exist here but are for general aptitudes not specific study areas.
A bad GCSE or bad SAT score would both be equally crushing for Hovind though.
Kent calls a 20 year old kid and asks him if he's heard of ERV's, and they both don't know much about it, but then the kid googles it and suddenly they are evidence for creation? Wha?
I debated Catz on ERVs today. I think you enjoy it. Be sure to check it out. Catz was very respectful and we had a solid dialogue. I know you'll appreciate that rayrard the man!
You can find it on either my channel or a marvel girls channel same channel kent and catz debated on.
@@StandingForTruthMinistries and Kent was debunked and belives in a young earth no need to watch crappy content
@@StandingForTruthMinistries why do you call mr Kent a doctor when you claim you stand for truth? He has not been to a real university he also never taught in a highschool, he taught high school aged kids in a Sunday school not an actually school.
@@StandingForTruthMinistries you seem to be able to overturn all the evidence for an old earth, evolution, “mainstream” geology, and an old universe, judging by how you name your videos. If you are such an expert in these multiple fields of science that you were able to overturn all of the evidence that supports all of them, then you should be publishing these findings and studies in some scientific journals. There will be a shelf of Nobel prizes for you being able to bring paradigm shifts to so many fields of science. You will also be the most famous scientist ever. And you’ll be a hero to religious fundamentalists. I think you really should get to publishing. I’ll use my connections with a few scientists at the research university in my city to get your work read by some of the scientists who work in those fields. Let me know. The offer is open and standing.
"Paulogia, pure fantasy land"... Really "Doctor" Hovind?
Paulogia, that analogy for ERVs was perfect, you made a rather complex biological occurrence into an easily understood example.
Agree. That was an absolutely brilliant way to explain something quite complicated, so even a 3rd grader can get it without any problems.
Kent won't get it though.
@@SonnySandberg It's not intuitive so Kent doesn't stand a chance, although I think using this example I could explain this to my almost 5 yr old.
@@Sage-Thyme
I debated Catz on ERVs today. I think you enjoy it. Be sure to check it out.
You can find it on either my channel or a marvel girls channel same channel kent and catz debated on.
You can apply the same thing to show that the Bible has had many authors over the centuries, which Frank Turek seems to think points toward the Bible being accurate. How?
‘Doctor’ Kent being salty about someone not using their real name? Oh, the irony.
Not forgetting ‘Doctor Dino’!!
Or “Dr.” Kent, the “Science” “Gent” - all the quoted words demonstrably false.
My mother is a deaconess and gets the same way about her Doctor of Divinity... that she got from a correspondence course.
Kent is also a Sovereign Citizen and does not believe his person is the same as his legal name Kent Hovind... so ... yeah... (or at least he TRIED using that "argument" in court when he was charged with methods of tax evasion that are illegal)
@@Ugly_German_Truths Isn't it funny how the Sovereign citizens all seem to be the ones who infringe the law and don't think they deserve punishing for it like "normal people?"
Speeding? No problem. Refuse to show your documents to the officer who pulled you over, then complain about "police brutality" when they drag you out your car kicking and screaming when they arrest you for not complying.
Kent Hovind has Matt Powell as his expert. This truly is the partially sighted leading the optically challenged.
Neither one having a living brain cell between them.
Kent has a fantasy name for himself, its doctor.
80% word salad
40% ad homomem
100% incorrect
This was made using their math skills
Man, I'm about to be "that guy". It's ad hominem. Sorry, I don't say it to be a dick. Sorry.
Ad hominem. Tricky thing, Latin.
Nothing wrong with that mathematically.
@@LukeSumIpsePatremTe 120%
@@smaakjeks I've had someone 'correct' me with the same spelling i had. Im betting they got auto corrected. Kinda off topic but i think about it every time i see 'hominem' now.
Paulogia should wear 2 lab coats for double the credibility.
No, that would negate it. I would say, to reach those who think that wearing a white coat (it's not even a lab coat) makes someone credible, let's crank this to eleven: Paulogia already wears glasses, now he needs a weird "Einstein haircut", too, where the hair is standing out randomly in all directions. Perhaps adaptink a german akzent vould help zose are ze most kredibel onez.
Let's add the lab coat, but with a ridiculous name tag like: "Science Professor, Doctor of Knowledgeology". Behind Paulogia, there should be a blackboard filled with important looking formulas (with lots of "pi" and "squared", one or two matrices and one sum, but better not integrals, for the target audience they look like a big "S" and are therefore silly). And better use a blackboard, chalk looks more sciency than a whiteboard.
Then there should be several test tubes in holding stands on Pauls table, filled with colorful liquids. Would be great if one of them would be boiling or smoking, but that would be probably too complicated. But from time to time, he should take them and pour the liquids together, this should always result in a small explosion, of course.
Don't forget a microscope and a Newtons Cradle somewhere on the table or some shelf. That will make Paulogias videos 250% scientific!!!!
@@soriac2357 Or you can write some Quantum Mechanics on the blackboard. E.g. the Schrödinger Equation. (And yes, if he needs a German accent, he needs to spell all the Umlaute right)
@@FactoryofRedstone Schrödingers equation is good, the non-relativistic one is long enough to look sciency, only has some science-looking greek letters, a triangle and maybe some arrows over some variables, that's not too complicated. Not that the target audience understands it, but that's not the reason to put it there anyways. But it's important to put the word "quantum" often enough in non-sensical meanings, like the "quantum equation" and psi is, like, the "quantum operator". It has to have some errors in it, when a real physicist will point that out, we can accuse him of not understanding his own field and thus branding him as a fraud ;-)
He thinks he’s dressed like a scientist. To me, he looks like an unlicensed freelance proctologist.
Mental image changed forever! 💩
Good work, sir! 😄
I bet he learnt a thing or two about free lancing proctology during his prison sentence.
An amateur proctologist who sneaks around on beaches with a pre-lubed latex glove on with a creepy grin on his face, ready to surprise people by shoving... okay enough imagination.
I call it the "dime store lab coat" argument.
Or a freelance amateur gynecologist. Ewwwww!
OMG YOU HAVE CATZ!!! AWESOME!!
I've never clicked so fast
Space comma ,
I know, so cool to have him here!
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2:07 "They all have fantasy names".
Yeah, how about that "DOCTOR" Dino!?
Not that it matter, the arguments stand or fall on their own, but regardless, that is a fantasy name too.
Or rather, a fantasy title.
And Conspiracy Cats... well, that is fantasy, I'll agree, if we go by how how hard it is to find out your true name, but Paulogia... guess your name is... Paul!?
Was that close?
It's channel names, it's very common on UA-cam, among christians too, and people who doesn't even mention religion.
good point
Fun fact: allele frequency is taught on 9th grade in my country, its funny how kent don't know anything about the basic evolution when he said that he's an "expert in evolution"
I can't stand that Conspiracy Catz guy, you should have had Baldy Catz on instead!
I bet my conspiracy catz could beat up your baldy catz!
@@terryfuldsgaming7995 Blastfunny!
"I never thought I'd be this 2 dimensional". That line wins the internet today
OMG Conspiracy Catz on Paulogia? My day has been made!
The crossover we didn't deserve, but the crossover we all needed.
I love Matt Powell: To me, he's the ideal Evilgelical: Not well educated in dull subjects like theology and philosophy; a lethal bigot. His being a heretic is icing on the cake!
Nasty murderous homophobic git is what I call him.
Oh, you mean a nickname like Federal Prisoner Number 06452-017? RockOn, Paul.
At this stage I think we can all safely assume Kent is spiraling into insanity.
Three years later, I can safely say that he is as sane and rational as he was then, or ten years prior.
"Whack an atheist" is one of the most insipid and childish things Kent Hovind has ever attempted to do, and that's a high bar. How desperate for attention _is_ this guy?
Very...
From time to time he even appears in yt forums, practically begging for "discuss me!!!!", and when nobody reacts to that, claims loudly and proudly his victory. He *reeks* of desperation :-)
@Never-ending party Yet the only thing Kunt reveals is his own stupidity and how gullible his followers are :-)
@Never-ending party Sure, bud. You keep fighting those strawmen.
@Never-ending party Interesting assumptions you have there, and that's a very nice set of projections you've got. Unfortunately, you have yet to say anything remotely true or intelligent.
_"... no matter [what] cause you want to use as creator ..."_
Thanks for demonstrating my point with another strawman. I don't have to think anything "is the creator", as that term implies intent.
There is none evident. There _may_ be an agent responsible, but there's insufficient evidence for me to be convinced.
_"...it will be equally asinine..."_
Trying to understand the universe is not asinine, but making up answers to cram into the gaps is. You're railing against abiogenesis, which is only a hypothesis, not yet a theory. There is some interesting science behind it, though.
_"...and impossible."_
You may as well be literally suggesting magic as the answer. That provides no predictive power whatsoever, rendering it functionally useless.
_"Try a little deep-thinking for once."_
Fantastic assumption, unsupported by jack nor shit, let alone both. Deep thinking is why I'm no longer a Christian. I realized that the god described in and out of the bible in churches, synagogues, and mosques is a cobbled-together fiction of ever-increasing impossibility and fantasy.
For you to decry the desire to understand natural processes, rather than taking the ultimate cognitive shortcut and declare "god did it" before doing any investigation, is infinitely more asinine and devoid of deep thinking than even you are projecting onto me. Maybe try actually understanding the position you're railing against before continuing to make a Hovind of yourself.
Ludlow made him run into a wall, Aron dissected him alive, but Catz derailed 06452017.
He basically exposed him as a complete charlatan who doesnt understand any of the scientific concepts he purports to debunk.
and all this while being officially a zombie, since King Crocoduck exposed him as being braindead :-)
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KC is a douche but he almost made 06452017 go full fat Earther and that's beautiful.
@@germanvisitor2 Earth isn't fat, just a bit big boned ;-)
@@soriac2357
It is flat at the top and pleasantly plumb at the bottom.
Kent Hovind making fun of someone using a nickname while he calls himself a "Doctor".
"Dr. Dino" *
Sheesh! He doesn't even know the word "endogenous" and fails in his attempt to pronounce it.
The Bible? That's just lines on a page, son.
As interesting as ERVs are, I became a field paleontologist decades before their existence was known. I still think heading to the field in search of more fossils is just plain more fun than working in a lab. While much of the field has shifted to the lab, there are still plenty of us searching the rock record for finds. Not being an physical anthropologist (human evolution), most of my work was in the fauna and flora of the ancient seas. My favorite teacher, long gone, taught reef ecology from the Cambrian to the late Cretaceous, and more modern reefs.The evolution of corals alone proves evolution. There was never even a shred of doubt about evolution long before ERVs, and frankly, I find them somewhat boring compared to field work.
13:20 "We are devolving right now" - a good description of Young Earth Creationists.
"If we round that up, it's 100%." 🤣 ohmygod are you serious lol
I did a molecular biology degree back in 1994 and we were taught about ERVs and their relevance to evolution back then.
Does anyone want that "I'm Not Prepared For That" song other than me?
it's on conspiracy cats channel. he mad the video a day or two after the debate. it was funny and accurate as hell.
Me too
I may have said it before, but I really appreciate the debate Catz had with Kent Hovind, I've never seen him beaten that badly, not even by the mighty Aron Ra, and Catz did it entirely by taking Kent off his script. Yeah, Aron and everyone else who has ever debated Kent has "Beaten him" on the facts, the problem is, they play on Kent's terms. I think what Catz did by presenting something novel that Kent has never dealt with really did more of a blow to people inclined to believe him more than going back and forth with the same dialogue on the same points Kent has argued and been wrong about 1000 times before. It exposed how ignorant Kent truly is on the subject matter, you take him off his script, off of what he expects you to argue and what hes well rehearsed his responses to, and hes a deer in the headlights.
What really needs to happen is forcing him to talk about the flaws of the bible. The big problem with indoctrination is they think their beliefs are perfect so they'll ignore evidence. The most effective thing I noticed is seeds of doubt in their belief and so they'll look into it and see the truth hopefully. VR, Paul and genetically modified skeptic all just had one question that made them look at the evidence with an open mind.
Conspiracy Catz rapping on Paulogia? I was not prepared for that! 😄 Great video, guys!
Hovind's argument: "I've never heard of it (even though I have), so it's stupid."
Pualogia always draws himself and Shannon Q more stereotypically sexy than they are in real life. In real life they look just fine. Shannon is very pretty, but neither of them have a chest as big as Paul's cartoon.
Conspiracy Catz, well, that's a more accurate depiction. Sorry.
Kent wasn’t prepared for this crossover
"I entered the debate expecting everybody to be whole-brained."
"You will know better next time."
This was a very sassy episode. I like it.
Matt Powell has an inflatable banana in his backyard that he calls Dr peel
Kent is as juvenile as Donald, making derogatory nicknames for opponents is as clever as they can get.
Kent Hovind: I'm going to call an expert, Matt Powell.
Me: What? Steven Anderson wasn't available?
Powell is all in all a younger Stevie. More interesting is, why didn't the inmate chose experts like Ken Spam or Cumfart?
"Can carbon date lead" nearly made me choke on my ice cream.
Kent has no knowledge of ERVs so he calls an expert. The expert: I have never heard of ERVs before today...
P1: If humans and chimpanzees do not share a common ancestor, then we should expect to find different virus genes in their genomes, or at the very least, not in the exact same locations. (Negation: We do find the same virus genes in their genomes, in the exact same locations.)
P2: Retroviruses can insert themselves into many different locations in a host's genome, and there are over 10,000,000 possible insertion spots in the human genome alone.
P3: The chance that a retrovirus infected both a human and a chimpanzee in the exact same spot by the same type of virus is less than 1 in 10 million.
P4: If two individuals have 205 shared virus insertions in a HERV group, it is extremely unlikely that they obtained them independently. (Probability: 5.88 x 10^1418)
P5: If humans and chimpanzees share 205 insertions in the HERV-W group, then we find the same virus genes in their genomes, in the exact same locations.
C: Therefore, humans and chimpanzees share a common ancestor.
We are supposed to believe that ERVs came from a fictional creature that never existed.
We're taking back spongebob. Hes dedicated, hard working, willing to change his mind, caring, enjoys life for what it has to offer.
We'll call Kent Mr Crabs. Wants money, will sell out his friends for pocket change, stubborn/unwilling to change, kind of a dick.
So yes, we do live in spongebob land. 😂😂😂😂
Throw back to the heyday of UA-cam atheism. DonExodus2, still a Christian at the time, made a video series outlining the best evidence for evolution. ERVs was one of his most compelling. This was 13 years ago.
Granted, Matt Powell was just a child instead of a man-child, and Kent was trying very hard not to drop the soap at that time, but still.
This is not new evidence.
The preacher was able to pronounce Endogenous correctly. The former “high school science teacher” was not.
He can't pronounce Paulogia correctly (Paul O'gia) either and it gets me every time. 😆
Mike Alverson That may be intentional disrespect, as he did with “Conspiracy Catz”
@@scienceexplains302 Kent Hovind be disrespectful?!? Are we talking about the same guy?
The one who makes puppets of people he doesn't like and hits then with a hammer? 😂
Doc Reasonable 😝
Doc Reasonable It would be fun to come up with a sentence containing the words he pronounces wrong and get him to read it.
1. Get the list of words
2. Form them into a biologically-accurate sentence relevant to evolution
3. Make it part of an argument against one of his main arguments
4. Hope he sees it and reads it in order to “refute” or ridicule it
Mr. Kent Hovind has been known to announce he'd debate anyone with half his brain tied behind his back. Who knew, it wasn't a handicap but an admission.
If I, a layman with no evolutionary background, can see the issues in Mr. Hovind's and Mat Boy P's ad hoc nonesense, maybe they should test the arguments out with someone first and see if they sound stupid.
Not that they actually care about sounding even remotely okay to outsiders. Someone needs just grill him over not caring about honest debate and only wanting to reinforce his echo chamber beliefs
My parents just bought my 8yr old sister a Noah’s ark book by ken ham. They’re old earth creationist but I’m so saddened by this
Don't worry. It's OK for 8yr old to believe in fairy tales. Just remember to be there after few years to help her on critical thinking skills.
Deny evolution, but the tell how kinds hyper evolved to turn a few kinds into 8 million species.
That's kind of them. Is there still a toilet paper shortage?
Space comma.
He refers to your cartoon character as 'pure fantasy land', while he sits there in that lab-coat! LoL! You can't make this stuff up.
He obviously doesn't understand. It needs to be spelled out for him. Every single one of these that we share with other primates is evidence of our common ancestry.
I love Conspiracy Catz, and I love Paulogia. Seeing them both come together is just EPIC!
Oh no no no Sirs, there must be a God, because I can't begin to imagine how amazing this God's plan must be to have someone like Kent Hovind speak for him. That's clearly absolute Genious.
10:30 - 12:33 Indeed, we don't simply share just 14 ERVs with Chimps. We nearly share almost all our respective ERVs with each other. Those 14 ERVs are specifically uniquely shared by humans and chimps, but not by any other. The creationists are mistakingly thinking that this means we just share 14 with Chimps, but there are a lot more than that which we also share with Gorillas and Orang-utans, and many other distantly related animals.
Thank you for explaining where the #14 came from.
@Never-ending party do you imagine being needlessly hostile is helping your case?
@Never-ending party You should watch the series by Counter Arguments discussing 12 Angry Men. It's a beautiful analysis of good debate and arguments, and I think it'll help anyone be a better arguer.
@Never-ending party That seems to be a needlessly antagonistic view of people. Let's separate people from their beliefs. Love the sin, but not the sinner, right?
@Never-ending party that's a baseless assumption. I've dealt with countless atheists and theists, and talked with them all the same. I know enough about disagreeing with people to know that being antagonistic doesn't make them want to change their mind.
The "I'm not prepared for that' remix got a laugh out me. :D
ERV's confirmed and peer checked by scientists from all over the world, Kent's theory that all the water from the flood came from an ice dome, literally pulled out of thin air lol
wait wait, Mat Powell said everyone who attacks him and Kent have fantasy names for themselves.
pretty sure Rachel Oates's real name is wait for it Rachel Oates.
And I have made arguments against him in the comment section of some of his videos (which he usually deletes)
another shocker is coming, my real name is actually Kyle
if someone really taught science for 15 years, they wouldn't be stumped by ERVs.
He also claims to have a 160 IQ but can't follow simple logic.
When I was leaving Christianity and decided to learn about evolution (in my 30’s), I had to get help from a trusted friend to help me pry open that mental iron door with a crow bar. Brainwashing and indoctrination from childhood is not something that can be logically argued away until the person is willing to hear.
Never-ending party you sound like an angry human. Anger is usually a secondary emotion,with fear or sadness underneath. The first crack in my tough shell came when I worked for a kind couple who were not religious. They treated me well, and respected my individual rights to think and feel and reason. Years later, a fellow mom befriended me who is a Christian but also accepts evolution as fact. That blew my mind a little bit. Enter cognitive dissonance. It turns out there are a lot of Christians in this world who hold the ideas of Jesus and evolution in their brains simultaneously. I’m not one of them, and that’s okay. It’s okay to hold different ideas than another person. Eventually, enough things happened in my life that I was willing to research evolution for myself. At first, I understood almost nothing and enlisted the help of a patient friend to get me to the level of an American fifth grader in the field of science. I might be at the level of an eighth grader now. The brainwashing of a tiny Christian school and fundamentalist parents who interjected “that’s not true!” during science tv programs did not help me become a kinder person. It just made me afraid to explore the world and talk to people different than myself.
Never-ending party, I appreciate your honesty. “I simply don’t believe” is your truth and I respect it as yours. It took me a few decades to get to the point where people can make up their own minds without being “lost and clueless”. Name calling never changed one persons mind. I’ve done some reading and listening about evolution. One of my favorite bits is the documentary on the discovery of tiny impressions in the rock. Tiktaalik. It takes a lot of time to change. I don’t have to be afraid of an angry deity anymore while I go about the business of being human.
So...Hovind's ideal collaborator on the topic of ERVs is a guy who hadn't really heard of them "before today", lol? Further proof that Kent is a joke.
I was just getting ready to ask where have you been Son? Then I checked your channel and saw a recent upload. Nice!
Why was I not informed of this UA-cam!?!?
@@dirimens_copulatio3989 Thanks! UA-cam is a fickle creature.
Did Hovind remember to pay his taxes? Deadline was yesterday. Oh wait, deadline was extended...due to Evolution.
The origin of the claim that only 14 ERVs are shared between humans and chimp is likely a paper published in 2000 by Lebedev et al. entitled: “Differences in HERV-K LTR insertions in orthologous loci of humans and great apes”. A portion of their Figure 5 that shows 14 different ERVs on a primate phylogeny was reprinted on the talkorigins page “29+ Evidences for Macroevolution Part 4: The Molecular Sequence Evidence” (Figure 4.4.1), which is probably where creationists saw it.
If this was the original source, the creationists are already off to a bad start, since the figure actually shows 11 ERVs shared by humans and chimps (and varying numbers of other primates) and 3 human-specific ERVs. Of course, this paper was published in 2000, prior to the sequencing of the human (or chimp) genome, and certainly wasn’t an exhaustive search for ERVs.
The human genome project estimated there are around 200,000 ERV elements in the human genome (see the 2001 human genome project paper) and when this is compared to chimp ERVs, it was found that less than 100 were unique to humans, and less than 300 were unique to chimps (see the 2005 chimp genome paper). So we share the vast, VAST majority.
Since then, over 500,000 ERV elements have been identified in the human genome (see the Human Endogenous Retrovirus Database (HERVd)). As far as I know these 500,000 sequences haven’t been checked to see how many are in the same location in the chimp genome (I might play around with the analysis myself), but don’t think there’s any reason to think that the proportion will change from what was found before using 40% of these sequences - the vast majority are shared between humans and chimps.
Great video! However, young Earth creationism isn't demanded by the biblical text. I'd encourage you to look up the organization "Biologos". Francis Collins the lead of the Human Genome Project is himself a Christian. There are many of us Christians who acknowledge evolution
I know Hovind is such low hanging fruit, but exposing him and his ignorance is still so fun. It’s been a blast for me to watch ever since I left the anti scientific and conspiratorial cult of young earth creationism 12 years ago.
Creationists rely on mere possibilities to explain this stuff away. But in doing so, they reveal why their misunderstanding of science would render science completely impotent. For science is about what are the best explanations for phenomena, not just possibilities. Possibilities are a dime a dozen. One can imagine a creationist scenario in which a common designer, as Hovind puts it, puts ERVs into DNA. But they cannot explain why they follow such a stunning predictable pattern of a nested hierarchy. But that’s the very phenomenon to be explained! So their version of science is as impotent as astrology or tarot cards. It doesn’t perform any function. It’s nothing but a system of ad hoc rationalizations.
I actually first learned about ERVs from a Christian evolutionist lecture. It absolutely blew my mind and I knew I could no longer hold onto the creationist fantasy any longer. I could either pretend not to understand this very powerful evidence or I could just follow the evidence where it leads.
But we can’t blame Hovind too much here. I truly and honestly do not think he is smart enough to understand the significance of ERVs. Sure, even a middle schooler could understand this if they thought about it. But Hovind does not and cannot think deeply.
In just half an hour from not knowing anything about ERVs to becoming an expert in ERVs to a level of understanding that enables you to totally scientifically debunk ERVs is truly amazing and with your ‘rounded up’ math evidence to back it all up making it 100% air tight leaves me speechless. Well done Kent, the all powerful, all knowing holy Google really does work in mysterious ways.
I debated Catz on ERVs today. I think you enjoy it. Be sure to check it out.
You can find it on either my channel or a marvel girls channel same channel kent and catz debated on.
That's what inmate #24601 gets for stating he can debate anyone with half his brain tied behind his back. Perhaps, next time, we need to clarify which half: the top half removed, the left half removed, or the front half? Please, no remarks about having the lower half removed because ... well, that's murder and murder is badong.
To address the 98000 vs 14 ERVs thing. Even if these numbers were correct, let's play pretend, that would just mean that those 98000 occurred after our ancestral divergence. They are still failing to explain the 14 that are in exactly the same place. Unless they're going to go with the typical 'god did it', because why, why would he, what's the point, and don't try that 'to fool unbelievers' argument, because it strikes me he spent a lot of time creating things and situations which would sow disbelief. If that's the case he's purposely trying to misdirect people which is just conniving.
Edit because I watched more:
We're not evolved apes, we are apes you numpty.
You know, no one ever actually said exactly why this is evidence for evolution. The idea is that one organism in the past was infected with a virus and then all the progeny of that organism show those ERV inserts. For example, a human and a chimp. If they share the same retroviral remnant in the same place in both genomes, we can say that our common ancestor was the one originally infected. And we share hundreds with chimps alone. And gorillas, orangutans and bonobos. And with other primates. And even with other mammals. In fact, by studying ERV insertion points, we could map put all life in a branching tree pattern. And that data matches what we know from comparative DNA and morphology. 3 separate maps of life and they all match each other. Does that make sense? I could explain better if anyone wants me to.
@Paul TheSkeptic
I think it's the idea the ERVs are genetically inherited. That's the impression this video left me with, and I haven't heard of ERVs until two months ago when I first saw this along my torture trail while writing my first Christian fiction novel.
@@DemonicRemption Yes, exactly. If they happen to infect the reproductive cells, your children and their children will have that viral remnant in their DNA for a scientists to come along in millions of years and study. So the idea is that if two separate but related species had the same viral remnant in the same part of the genome, the only way for that to happen was if that was if there was one infection, then the organism diversified and split into two species. The odds against one particular virus infecting two separate species in the exact same place is very remote. And there are hundreds of these things.
I always thought this video explained it well.ua-cam.com/video/TUxLR9hdorI/v-deo.html
That was freaking adorable! @kenthovind cosplaying as a doctor. I bet that’s what he wants to be when he grows up!
I think he will die of old age, before growing up.
@@BluePhoenix_One can only hope.
I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one person explain to Kent what ERVs are and he just replied, "and that's enough for you to think that you came from a rock and Jesus was a liar."
He also refuted ERVs during a debate with the infidel guy’s audience before he went to prison. Since he admits that he didn’t even know what they were, he was being very dishonest when he tried to refute them on the show.
Conspiracy Catz Whipped Kent at the debate so Kent Whacked off Conspiracy Catz
I didn't know i needed to hear Kent Hovend say pussy twice but by God I am grateful for it
ERV's are one of my favorite evidences. I've looked for creationist explanations - so far I've only found 2 responses: 1) god created things such that they are similar, so of course we'd expect to see similar parts in DNA. 2) ERV's aren't what we're told they are.
Neither of these explanations honestly address the data.
Matt Powell's "answer" is just wrong.
I debated Catz on ERVs today. I think you enjoy it. Be sure to check it out.
You can find it on either my channel or a marvel girls channel same channel kent and catz debated on.
A Conspiracy Catz crossover with Paulogia. I was not prepared for that.
Didn't Tony cover ERVs in his "How Creationism Taught me Real Science" series? I'm pretty sure he did. Kent's just not been paying attention (and we all know what that really means).
11:05 Please correct me if I don't make any sense: it says 14 out of 98,000 is 0.00014% but my amazing calculation skills tells me that it is 0.0143%. Evolution isn't true, math isn't true, what else?
4:03 imagine my shock when I notice the words "broccoli man" in Kent's comment....
Edit: idk if this is a meme on this channel, my name is entirely unrelated...
New video on ERVs that looks at how things work: ua-cam.com/video/oXfDF5Ew3Gc/v-deo.html
OOOOOOoh Conspiracy Catz. I enjoy his videos because of the type of humor he does.
Someone must tell Hovind about it. I doubt that he will respond tho...
LOL Isn't the bible "just lines on paper"?
Got to love the crazies of this world, the Hovind clan and FLERFs etc. After all, without them: think how much entertainment will be lost.
@James D Spader F
I'm glad you find this entertaining... After an accumulated 5 hours of Hovind uninterrupted as he tried to refute Aron-Ra, I find him aggravating. I also find it sad that folks like Hovind represent Christians like me in the eyes of some atheists.
--Because unlike Kent Hovind, I'm smarter than a sixth grader.-- Sorry, sorry, I let my anger slip with that last sentence.
I love the internal citations of creationists. Some creationist writes a "paper" for a creationist "journal" (that only allows creationist-affirming content). That paper is cited by other creationists for their wannabe papers. Which are cited by other creationists. And so on. And so on. It becomes a multilayered cake of citations of bad sources that started with a bad source misrepresenting a good source. The trick is to do the mind-numbing research to follow the trail to get there. Which many people simply won't do.
I despise Kent Hovind more than any other apologist. His dishonesty is repulsive. I couldn’t imagine lacking shame and humility to such a degree.
Never-ending party Yeah, learn how to construct coherent sentences before you attempt philosophy.
Your plug for catz was just great at the end of this vid! I have to head over there and sub! Thanks for the link and a great vid on ERVs and the destruction of these pseudo ‘intellectuals’! LOL! Peace