Endogenous Retrovirus Insertions (Evolution) (feat. Conspiracy Catz)

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  • Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
  • Kent Hovind was unprepared to talk about endogenous retrovirus insertions in his debate with Conspiracy Catz. So he decided to enlist help from fellow young-earth creationist, Matt Powell, to attempt to show how this genetic phenomenon failed to support the theory of biological evolution.
    As ERVs are part of what convinced me that evolution is true, I was excited to have Conspiracy Catz himself join me to bring everyone the real science behind these amazing remnants of ancestors past.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 671

  • @ShannonQ
    @ShannonQ 4 роки тому +261

    I'll never EVER forget the day that Matt Powell told me the sun burns hot because the air is different in space. EVER lol

    • @fatman957
      @fatman957 4 роки тому +5

      There's air in space????

    • @fatman957
      @fatman957 4 роки тому

      By the way @Shannon how's Bill treating you. You Lucky Lady.

    • @origamiswami6272
      @origamiswami6272 4 роки тому +14

      In one of the King Crocoduck debates, Hovind actually said that fire was an example of matter being converted into energy. I shouldn't be surprised at this stuff anymore, but they keep one-upping themselves.

    • @mattsmith1440
      @mattsmith1440 4 роки тому +14

      It's not the fact that guys like Matt have no clue what they're talking about and continue to babble on these issues that gets me, it's that they think they can say _absolutely anything_ and people will still believe them.
      Even worse is the frequency with which they're correct about that, in an era where we can all fact check almost anything in the space of a few minutes, not much need to even visit a library. Just blows my mind.
      I'm sure I'm totally wrong about stuff too without even realising it, but I hope I'd at least check before spreading hairbrained nonsense to a large audience like that.

    • @UlexiteTVStoneLexite
      @UlexiteTVStoneLexite 4 роки тому +2

      Wow.......

  • @727Phoenix
    @727Phoenix 4 роки тому +2

    When I first learned of ERVs I was fascinated by how they prove common ancestry, about as well as pseudo-genes. And thanks for the book analogy.

  • @robertfelton8374
    @robertfelton8374 4 роки тому +5

    Kent using the "dime store lab coat " argument.

    • @smaakjeks
      @smaakjeks 4 роки тому

      The Kent doth protest too much, methinks.

  • @Futt.Buckerson
    @Futt.Buckerson 2 роки тому

    IIRC, there are some ERVs that are beneficial. I believe there is one that actually aids in conception/gestation in a major way.

  • @CommieApe
    @CommieApe 4 роки тому +1

    Damn Paul youre on a roll. The videos with Matt and Eric were great. Now you have the funniest Flat Earth Debunker.

  • @numericalcode
    @numericalcode 2 роки тому

    Definitely more people should know about ERVs

  • @raulramirez6052
    @raulramirez6052 4 роки тому +1

    Kent: (oh oh he’s using big words I don’t understand) I’ve never seen a dog make a non-dog!

  • @tylersimmons6524
    @tylersimmons6524 3 роки тому +1

    Catz with Paulogia? Thank you sir, may I have another?

  • @TikiTrain
    @TikiTrain 2 роки тому

    Hey Paul, where can I get Catz’s ERV slides that are shown in the inset?

  • @miaulink1152
    @miaulink1152 3 роки тому

    Don't mind me, just leaving a note for myself to look at the papers around this timestamp :) 12:35

  • @richardlewin9282
    @richardlewin9282 3 роки тому +1

    Matt Powell has quite a resume 😂🤹🤦🤦🤦🤯

  • @DigitalinDaniel
    @DigitalinDaniel 4 роки тому

    I especially like the comment about your username and caricature, as if all your credit roll isn't loaded with equally silly caricature. : ^)

  • @voronwecalanon206
    @voronwecalanon206 4 роки тому

    1 John 2:18 Whoa to this man for the words spoken against the Almighty.

  • @CortxVortx
    @CortxVortx 2 роки тому

    "I whipped Kent really badly."
    Or to put it in terms that Kent would understand, you "smote him hip and thigh."

  • @kenbee1957
    @kenbee1957 4 роки тому +190

    Conspiracy Catz on Paulogia?
    I'm not prepared for that

    • @55Quirll
      @55Quirll 4 роки тому +10

      Love it, don't forget SciManDan, he also tried to debate Dr. Kent the Science Gent, I am not prepared for that - won't take a GSE test to get into college, in the UK if I understand, being from VA - USA. I would love to see all three of on the Nonsequitor Show with Kent. Thank all you for great videos and giving information about reality. Take care and stay Safe, Happy and Healthy.

    • @TazPessle
      @TazPessle 4 роки тому

      @@55Quirll i dint know where you get that impression of British universities.

    • @Forest_Fifer
      @Forest_Fifer 4 роки тому +2

      Nice one.

    • @55Quirll
      @55Quirll 4 роки тому +5

      @@TazPessle SciManDan wanted to give Kent a GCSE test to see his knowledge of science and Kent declined for some reason. A test that students would take to see if they are good enough to get into a University. In America it is called an SAT- Scholastic Aptitude Test - to see if the Student will do well in what are called Ivy League Colleges - Harvad, MIT, - There are several others. If they don't meet the minimum requirements than they should apply to State colleges or such that aren't as rigorous Sorry for the long winded explanation.

    • @TazPessle
      @TazPessle 4 роки тому +2

      @@55Quirll a GCSE is a general qualification in a given subject for 16 year olds. SATs and CATs exist here but are for general aptitudes not specific study areas.
      A bad GCSE or bad SAT score would both be equally crushing for Hovind though.

  • @Rayrard
    @Rayrard 4 роки тому +80

    Kent calls a 20 year old kid and asks him if he's heard of ERV's, and they both don't know much about it, but then the kid googles it and suddenly they are evidence for creation? Wha?

    • @StandingForTruthMinistries
      @StandingForTruthMinistries 4 роки тому

      I debated Catz on ERVs today. I think you enjoy it. Be sure to check it out. Catz was very respectful and we had a solid dialogue. I know you'll appreciate that rayrard the man!
      You can find it on either my channel or a marvel girls channel same channel kent and catz debated on.

    • @walterhartwellwhite8022
      @walterhartwellwhite8022 Рік тому +1

      @@StandingForTruthMinistries and Kent was debunked and belives in a young earth no need to watch crappy content

    • @LisaAnn777
      @LisaAnn777 Рік тому

      @@StandingForTruthMinistries why do you call mr Kent a doctor when you claim you stand for truth? He has not been to a real university he also never taught in a highschool, he taught high school aged kids in a Sunday school not an actually school.

    • @JohnTorres1987
      @JohnTorres1987 Рік тому +5

      @@StandingForTruthMinistries you seem to be able to overturn all the evidence for an old earth, evolution, “mainstream” geology, and an old universe, judging by how you name your videos. If you are such an expert in these multiple fields of science that you were able to overturn all of the evidence that supports all of them, then you should be publishing these findings and studies in some scientific journals. There will be a shelf of Nobel prizes for you being able to bring paradigm shifts to so many fields of science. You will also be the most famous scientist ever. And you’ll be a hero to religious fundamentalists. I think you really should get to publishing. I’ll use my connections with a few scientists at the research university in my city to get your work read by some of the scientists who work in those fields. Let me know. The offer is open and standing.

  • @aussieatheist960
    @aussieatheist960 4 роки тому +52

    "Paulogia, pure fantasy land"... Really "Doctor" Hovind?

  • @Sage-Thyme
    @Sage-Thyme 4 роки тому +90

    Paulogia, that analogy for ERVs was perfect, you made a rather complex biological occurrence into an easily understood example.

    • @SonnySandberg
      @SonnySandberg 4 роки тому +8

      Agree. That was an absolutely brilliant way to explain something quite complicated, so even a 3rd grader can get it without any problems.
      Kent won't get it though.

    • @Sage-Thyme
      @Sage-Thyme 4 роки тому +3

      @@SonnySandberg It's not intuitive so Kent doesn't stand a chance, although I think using this example I could explain this to my almost 5 yr old.

    • @StandingForTruthMinistries
      @StandingForTruthMinistries 4 роки тому

      @@Sage-Thyme
      I debated Catz on ERVs today. I think you enjoy it. Be sure to check it out.
      You can find it on either my channel or a marvel girls channel same channel kent and catz debated on.

    • @55Quirll
      @55Quirll 2 роки тому +1

      You can apply the same thing to show that the Bible has had many authors over the centuries, which Frank Turek seems to think points toward the Bible being accurate. How?

  • @eddiebruv
    @eddiebruv 4 роки тому +152

    ‘Doctor’ Kent being salty about someone not using their real name? Oh, the irony.

    • @eddiebruv
      @eddiebruv 4 роки тому +10

      Not forgetting ‘Doctor Dino’!!

    • @Burtimus02
      @Burtimus02 4 роки тому +15

      Or “Dr.” Kent, the “Science” “Gent” - all the quoted words demonstrably false.

    • @sandakureva
      @sandakureva 4 роки тому +9

      My mother is a deaconess and gets the same way about her Doctor of Divinity... that she got from a correspondence course.

    • @Ugly_German_Truths
      @Ugly_German_Truths 4 роки тому +9

      Kent is also a Sovereign Citizen and does not believe his person is the same as his legal name Kent Hovind... so ... yeah... (or at least he TRIED using that "argument" in court when he was charged with methods of tax evasion that are illegal)

    • @RustyWalker
      @RustyWalker 4 роки тому +4

      @@Ugly_German_Truths Isn't it funny how the Sovereign citizens all seem to be the ones who infringe the law and don't think they deserve punishing for it like "normal people?"
      Speeding? No problem. Refuse to show your documents to the officer who pulled you over, then complain about "police brutality" when they drag you out your car kicking and screaming when they arrest you for not complying.

  • @andystokes8702
    @andystokes8702 4 роки тому +47

    Kent Hovind has Matt Powell as his expert. This truly is the partially sighted leading the optically challenged.

    • @55Quirll
      @55Quirll 2 роки тому

      Neither one having a living brain cell between them.

  • @TheJimtanker
    @TheJimtanker 4 роки тому +47

    Kent has a fantasy name for himself, its doctor.

  • @nateharris5012
    @nateharris5012 4 роки тому +46

    80% word salad
    40% ad homomem
    100% incorrect
    This was made using their math skills

    • @smaakjeks
      @smaakjeks 4 роки тому +2

      Man, I'm about to be "that guy". It's ad hominem. Sorry, I don't say it to be a dick. Sorry.

    • @iamTheSnark
      @iamTheSnark 4 роки тому +3

      Ad hominem. Tricky thing, Latin.

    • @LukeSumIpsePatremTe
      @LukeSumIpsePatremTe 4 роки тому

      Nothing wrong with that mathematically.

    • @terryfuldsgaming7995
      @terryfuldsgaming7995 4 роки тому

      @@LukeSumIpsePatremTe 120%

    • @terryfuldsgaming7995
      @terryfuldsgaming7995 4 роки тому +1

      @@smaakjeks I've had someone 'correct' me with the same spelling i had. Im betting they got auto corrected. Kinda off topic but i think about it every time i see 'hominem' now.

  • @abe3367
    @abe3367 4 роки тому +44

    Paulogia should wear 2 lab coats for double the credibility.

    • @soriac2357
      @soriac2357 4 роки тому

      No, that would negate it. I would say, to reach those who think that wearing a white coat (it's not even a lab coat) makes someone credible, let's crank this to eleven: Paulogia already wears glasses, now he needs a weird "Einstein haircut", too, where the hair is standing out randomly in all directions. Perhaps adaptink a german akzent vould help zose are ze most kredibel onez.
      Let's add the lab coat, but with a ridiculous name tag like: "Science Professor, Doctor of Knowledgeology". Behind Paulogia, there should be a blackboard filled with important looking formulas (with lots of "pi" and "squared", one or two matrices and one sum, but better not integrals, for the target audience they look like a big "S" and are therefore silly). And better use a blackboard, chalk looks more sciency than a whiteboard.
      Then there should be several test tubes in holding stands on Pauls table, filled with colorful liquids. Would be great if one of them would be boiling or smoking, but that would be probably too complicated. But from time to time, he should take them and pour the liquids together, this should always result in a small explosion, of course.
      Don't forget a microscope and a Newtons Cradle somewhere on the table or some shelf. That will make Paulogias videos 250% scientific!!!!

    • @FactoryofRedstone
      @FactoryofRedstone 4 роки тому

      @@soriac2357 Or you can write some Quantum Mechanics on the blackboard. E.g. the Schrödinger Equation. (And yes, if he needs a German accent, he needs to spell all the Umlaute right)

    • @soriac2357
      @soriac2357 4 роки тому

      @@FactoryofRedstone Schrödingers equation is good, the non-relativistic one is long enough to look sciency, only has some science-looking greek letters, a triangle and maybe some arrows over some variables, that's not too complicated. Not that the target audience understands it, but that's not the reason to put it there anyways. But it's important to put the word "quantum" often enough in non-sensical meanings, like the "quantum equation" and psi is, like, the "quantum operator". It has to have some errors in it, when a real physicist will point that out, we can accuse him of not understanding his own field and thus branding him as a fraud ;-)

  • @chuckoneill2023
    @chuckoneill2023 4 роки тому +38

    He thinks he’s dressed like a scientist. To me, he looks like an unlicensed freelance proctologist.

    • @pondboy3682
      @pondboy3682 4 роки тому +3

      Mental image changed forever! 💩
      Good work, sir! 😄

    • @Simon.the.Likeable
      @Simon.the.Likeable 4 роки тому +5

      I bet he learnt a thing or two about free lancing proctology during his prison sentence.

    • @AquaPeet
      @AquaPeet 4 роки тому +6

      An amateur proctologist who sneaks around on beaches with a pre-lubed latex glove on with a creepy grin on his face, ready to surprise people by shoving... okay enough imagination.

    • @robertfelton8374
      @robertfelton8374 4 роки тому +4

      I call it the "dime store lab coat" argument.

    • @gartackpsdav4984
      @gartackpsdav4984 4 роки тому +1

      Or a freelance amateur gynecologist. Ewwwww!

  • @evorock
    @evorock 4 роки тому +31

    OMG YOU HAVE CATZ!!! AWESOME!!
    I've never clicked so fast
    Space comma ,

  • @MrDanAng1
    @MrDanAng1 4 роки тому +20

    2:07 "They all have fantasy names".
    Yeah, how about that "DOCTOR" Dino!?
    Not that it matter, the arguments stand or fall on their own, but regardless, that is a fantasy name too.
    Or rather, a fantasy title.
    And Conspiracy Cats... well, that is fantasy, I'll agree, if we go by how how hard it is to find out your true name, but Paulogia... guess your name is... Paul!?
    Was that close?
    It's channel names, it's very common on UA-cam, among christians too, and people who doesn't even mention religion.

  • @kerduslegend2644
    @kerduslegend2644 4 роки тому +9

    Fun fact: allele frequency is taught on 9th grade in my country, its funny how kent don't know anything about the basic evolution when he said that he's an "expert in evolution"

  • @fred_derf
    @fred_derf 4 роки тому +21

    I can't stand that Conspiracy Catz guy, you should have had Baldy Catz on instead!

    • @terryfuldsgaming7995
      @terryfuldsgaming7995 4 роки тому +1

      I bet my conspiracy catz could beat up your baldy catz!

    • @fred_derf
      @fred_derf 4 роки тому

      @@terryfuldsgaming7995 Blastfunny!

  • @Forest_Fifer
    @Forest_Fifer 4 роки тому +27

    "I never thought I'd be this 2 dimensional". That line wins the internet today

  • @JustAnotherBuckyLover
    @JustAnotherBuckyLover 4 роки тому +27

    OMG Conspiracy Catz on Paulogia? My day has been made!

    • @generationxpvp
      @generationxpvp 4 роки тому +1

      The crossover we didn't deserve, but the crossover we all needed.

  • @fmcevoy1
    @fmcevoy1 4 роки тому +41

    I love Matt Powell: To me, he's the ideal Evilgelical: Not well educated in dull subjects like theology and philosophy; a lethal bigot. His being a heretic is icing on the cake!

    • @MadBiker-vj5qj
      @MadBiker-vj5qj 4 роки тому +2

      Nasty murderous homophobic git is what I call him.

  • @michaelmeszaros6982
    @michaelmeszaros6982 4 роки тому +4

    Oh, you mean a nickname like Federal Prisoner Number 06452-017? RockOn, Paul.

  • @infosecrogue8883
    @infosecrogue8883 4 роки тому +22

    At this stage I think we can all safely assume Kent is spiraling into insanity.

    • @UncleKennysPlace
      @UncleKennysPlace 8 місяців тому

      Three years later, I can safely say that he is as sane and rational as he was then, or ten years prior.

  • @Twentydragon
    @Twentydragon 4 роки тому +7

    "Whack an atheist" is one of the most insipid and childish things Kent Hovind has ever attempted to do, and that's a high bar. How desperate for attention _is_ this guy?

    • @soriac2357
      @soriac2357 4 роки тому +2

      Very...
      From time to time he even appears in yt forums, practically begging for "discuss me!!!!", and when nobody reacts to that, claims loudly and proudly his victory. He *reeks* of desperation :-)

    • @soriac2357
      @soriac2357 4 роки тому +1

      @Never-ending party Yet the only thing Kunt reveals is his own stupidity and how gullible his followers are :-)

    • @Twentydragon
      @Twentydragon 4 роки тому

      @Never-ending party Sure, bud. You keep fighting those strawmen.

    • @Twentydragon
      @Twentydragon 4 роки тому

      ​@Never-ending party Interesting assumptions you have there, and that's a very nice set of projections you've got. Unfortunately, you have yet to say anything remotely true or intelligent.
      _"... no matter [what] cause you want to use as creator ..."_
      Thanks for demonstrating my point with another strawman. I don't have to think anything "is the creator", as that term implies intent.
      There is none evident. There _may_ be an agent responsible, but there's insufficient evidence for me to be convinced.
      _"...it will be equally asinine..."_
      Trying to understand the universe is not asinine, but making up answers to cram into the gaps is. You're railing against abiogenesis, which is only a hypothesis, not yet a theory. There is some interesting science behind it, though.
      _"...and impossible."_
      You may as well be literally suggesting magic as the answer. That provides no predictive power whatsoever, rendering it functionally useless.
      _"Try a little deep-thinking for once."_
      Fantastic assumption, unsupported by jack nor shit, let alone both. Deep thinking is why I'm no longer a Christian. I realized that the god described in and out of the bible in churches, synagogues, and mosques is a cobbled-together fiction of ever-increasing impossibility and fantasy.
      For you to decry the desire to understand natural processes, rather than taking the ultimate cognitive shortcut and declare "god did it" before doing any investigation, is infinitely more asinine and devoid of deep thinking than even you are projecting onto me. Maybe try actually understanding the position you're railing against before continuing to make a Hovind of yourself.

  • @germanvisitor2
    @germanvisitor2 4 роки тому +19

    Ludlow made him run into a wall, Aron dissected him alive, but Catz derailed 06452017.

    • @Forest_Fifer
      @Forest_Fifer 4 роки тому +4

      He basically exposed him as a complete charlatan who doesnt understand any of the scientific concepts he purports to debunk.

    • @soriac2357
      @soriac2357 4 роки тому +3

      and all this while being officially a zombie, since King Crocoduck exposed him as being braindead :-)

    • @germanvisitor2
      @germanvisitor2 4 роки тому

      @@soriac2357
      KC is a douche but he almost made 06452017 go full fat Earther and that's beautiful.

    • @soriac2357
      @soriac2357 4 роки тому +1

      @@germanvisitor2 Earth isn't fat, just a bit big boned ;-)

    • @germanvisitor2
      @germanvisitor2 4 роки тому +1

      @@soriac2357
      It is flat at the top and pleasantly plumb at the bottom.

  • @bitcores
    @bitcores 4 роки тому +15

    Kent Hovind making fun of someone using a nickname while he calls himself a "Doctor".

  • @MartinJames389
    @MartinJames389 4 роки тому +9

    Sheesh! He doesn't even know the word "endogenous" and fails in his attempt to pronounce it.

  • @CausalityLoop
    @CausalityLoop 4 роки тому +4

    The Bible? That's just lines on a page, son.

  • @farleyxwilbur655
    @farleyxwilbur655 4 роки тому +5

    As interesting as ERVs are, I became a field paleontologist decades before their existence was known. I still think heading to the field in search of more fossils is just plain more fun than working in a lab. While much of the field has shifted to the lab, there are still plenty of us searching the rock record for finds. Not being an physical anthropologist (human evolution), most of my work was in the fauna and flora of the ancient seas. My favorite teacher, long gone, taught reef ecology from the Cambrian to the late Cretaceous, and more modern reefs.The evolution of corals alone proves evolution. There was never even a shred of doubt about evolution long before ERVs, and frankly, I find them somewhat boring compared to field work.

  • @freddan6fly
    @freddan6fly 4 роки тому +4

    13:20 "We are devolving right now" - a good description of Young Earth Creationists.

  • @danieldelanoche2015
    @danieldelanoche2015 3 роки тому +3

    "If we round that up, it's 100%." 🤣 ohmygod are you serious lol

  • @Ashamanic
    @Ashamanic 4 роки тому +4

    I did a molecular biology degree back in 1994 and we were taught about ERVs and their relevance to evolution back then.

  • @abigailmathews8509
    @abigailmathews8509 4 роки тому +10

    Does anyone want that "I'm Not Prepared For That" song other than me?

    • @fatman957
      @fatman957 4 роки тому +2

      it's on conspiracy cats channel. he mad the video a day or two after the debate. it was funny and accurate as hell.

    • @Forest_Fifer
      @Forest_Fifer 4 роки тому +1

      Me too

  • @Nekulturny
    @Nekulturny 3 роки тому +4

    I may have said it before, but I really appreciate the debate Catz had with Kent Hovind, I've never seen him beaten that badly, not even by the mighty Aron Ra, and Catz did it entirely by taking Kent off his script. Yeah, Aron and everyone else who has ever debated Kent has "Beaten him" on the facts, the problem is, they play on Kent's terms. I think what Catz did by presenting something novel that Kent has never dealt with really did more of a blow to people inclined to believe him more than going back and forth with the same dialogue on the same points Kent has argued and been wrong about 1000 times before. It exposed how ignorant Kent truly is on the subject matter, you take him off his script, off of what he expects you to argue and what hes well rehearsed his responses to, and hes a deer in the headlights.

    • @ForgedinPrint
      @ForgedinPrint 3 роки тому +2

      What really needs to happen is forcing him to talk about the flaws of the bible. The big problem with indoctrination is they think their beliefs are perfect so they'll ignore evidence. The most effective thing I noticed is seeds of doubt in their belief and so they'll look into it and see the truth hopefully. VR, Paul and genetically modified skeptic all just had one question that made them look at the evidence with an open mind.

  • @pondboy3682
    @pondboy3682 4 роки тому +8

    Conspiracy Catz rapping on Paulogia? I was not prepared for that! 😄 Great video, guys!

  • @DCWilsonwriter
    @DCWilsonwriter 4 роки тому +4

    Hovind's argument: "I've never heard of it (even though I have), so it's stupid."

  • @Sam_on_YouTube
    @Sam_on_YouTube 4 роки тому +6

    Pualogia always draws himself and Shannon Q more stereotypically sexy than they are in real life. In real life they look just fine. Shannon is very pretty, but neither of them have a chest as big as Paul's cartoon.
    Conspiracy Catz, well, that's a more accurate depiction. Sorry.

  • @johnnythunderschlong3031
    @johnnythunderschlong3031 4 роки тому +6

    Kent wasn’t prepared for this crossover

  • @blvalverde
    @blvalverde 4 роки тому +4

    "I entered the debate expecting everybody to be whole-brained."
    "You will know better next time."
    This was a very sassy episode. I like it.

  • @joenobody571
    @joenobody571 3 роки тому +4

    Matt Powell has an inflatable banana in his backyard that he calls Dr peel

  • @d.o.m.494
    @d.o.m.494 4 роки тому +4

    Kent is as juvenile as Donald, making derogatory nicknames for opponents is as clever as they can get.

  • @michaelmccarthy4077
    @michaelmccarthy4077 4 роки тому +4

    Kent Hovind: I'm going to call an expert, Matt Powell.
    Me: What? Steven Anderson wasn't available?

    • @soriac2357
      @soriac2357 4 роки тому

      Powell is all in all a younger Stevie. More interesting is, why didn't the inmate chose experts like Ken Spam or Cumfart?

  • @jiubboatman9352
    @jiubboatman9352 4 роки тому +3

    "Can carbon date lead" nearly made me choke on my ice cream.

  • @AjejeB
    @AjejeB 3 роки тому +2

    Kent has no knowledge of ERVs so he calls an expert. The expert: I have never heard of ERVs before today...

  • @jmike2039
    @jmike2039 Рік тому +3

    P1: If humans and chimpanzees do not share a common ancestor, then we should expect to find different virus genes in their genomes, or at the very least, not in the exact same locations. (Negation: We do find the same virus genes in their genomes, in the exact same locations.)
    P2: Retroviruses can insert themselves into many different locations in a host's genome, and there are over 10,000,000 possible insertion spots in the human genome alone.
    P3: The chance that a retrovirus infected both a human and a chimpanzee in the exact same spot by the same type of virus is less than 1 in 10 million.
    P4: If two individuals have 205 shared virus insertions in a HERV group, it is extremely unlikely that they obtained them independently. (Probability: 5.88 x 10^1418)
    P5: If humans and chimpanzees share 205 insertions in the HERV-W group, then we find the same virus genes in their genomes, in the exact same locations.
    C: Therefore, humans and chimpanzees share a common ancestor.

    • @vesuvandoppelganger
      @vesuvandoppelganger Рік тому

      We are supposed to believe that ERVs came from a fictional creature that never existed.

  • @scubasteve2169
    @scubasteve2169 4 роки тому +2

    We're taking back spongebob. Hes dedicated, hard working, willing to change his mind, caring, enjoys life for what it has to offer.
    We'll call Kent Mr Crabs. Wants money, will sell out his friends for pocket change, stubborn/unwilling to change, kind of a dick.
    So yes, we do live in spongebob land. 😂😂😂😂

  • @lhvinny
    @lhvinny 4 роки тому +2

    Throw back to the heyday of UA-cam atheism. DonExodus2, still a Christian at the time, made a video series outlining the best evidence for evolution. ERVs was one of his most compelling. This was 13 years ago.
    Granted, Matt Powell was just a child instead of a man-child, and Kent was trying very hard not to drop the soap at that time, but still.
    This is not new evidence.

  • @scienceexplains302
    @scienceexplains302 4 роки тому +7

    The preacher was able to pronounce Endogenous correctly. The former “high school science teacher” was not.

    • @galacticbob1
      @galacticbob1 4 роки тому

      He can't pronounce Paulogia correctly (Paul O'gia) either and it gets me every time. 😆

    • @scienceexplains302
      @scienceexplains302 4 роки тому +1

      Mike Alverson That may be intentional disrespect, as he did with “Conspiracy Catz”

    • @galacticbob1
      @galacticbob1 4 роки тому +3

      @@scienceexplains302 Kent Hovind be disrespectful?!? Are we talking about the same guy?
      The one who makes puppets of people he doesn't like and hits then with a hammer? 😂

    • @scienceexplains302
      @scienceexplains302 4 роки тому

      Doc Reasonable 😝

    • @scienceexplains302
      @scienceexplains302 4 роки тому

      Doc Reasonable It would be fun to come up with a sentence containing the words he pronounces wrong and get him to read it.
      1. Get the list of words
      2. Form them into a biologically-accurate sentence relevant to evolution
      3. Make it part of an argument against one of his main arguments
      4. Hope he sees it and reads it in order to “refute” or ridicule it

  • @stevewebber707
    @stevewebber707 4 роки тому +4

    Mr. Kent Hovind has been known to announce he'd debate anyone with half his brain tied behind his back. Who knew, it wasn't a handicap but an admission.

  • @ryantoth676
    @ryantoth676 4 роки тому +2

    If I, a layman with no evolutionary background, can see the issues in Mr. Hovind's and Mat Boy P's ad hoc nonesense, maybe they should test the arguments out with someone first and see if they sound stupid.
    Not that they actually care about sounding even remotely okay to outsiders. Someone needs just grill him over not caring about honest debate and only wanting to reinforce his echo chamber beliefs

  • @josephhsu3221
    @josephhsu3221 4 роки тому +3

    My parents just bought my 8yr old sister a Noah’s ark book by ken ham. They’re old earth creationist but I’m so saddened by this

    • @TheUglyGnome
      @TheUglyGnome 4 роки тому +4

      Don't worry. It's OK for 8yr old to believe in fairy tales. Just remember to be there after few years to help her on critical thinking skills.

    • @mikedonigan6665
      @mikedonigan6665 4 роки тому

      Deny evolution, but the tell how kinds hyper evolved to turn a few kinds into 8 million species.

    • @simongiles9749
      @simongiles9749 4 роки тому +1

      That's kind of them. Is there still a toilet paper shortage?

  • @eddiebruv
    @eddiebruv 4 роки тому +7

    Space comma.

  • @MalachiMarvin
    @MalachiMarvin 4 роки тому +3

    He refers to your cartoon character as 'pure fantasy land', while he sits there in that lab-coat! LoL! You can't make this stuff up.

  • @PaulTheSkeptic
    @PaulTheSkeptic 4 роки тому +2

    He obviously doesn't understand. It needs to be spelled out for him. Every single one of these that we share with other primates is evidence of our common ancestry.

  • @justinguyer8977
    @justinguyer8977 4 роки тому +5

    I love Conspiracy Catz, and I love Paulogia. Seeing them both come together is just EPIC!

  • @XDRONIN
    @XDRONIN 4 роки тому +3

    Oh no no no Sirs, there must be a God, because I can't begin to imagine how amazing this God's plan must be to have someone like Kent Hovind speak for him. That's clearly absolute Genious.

  • @nesslig2025
    @nesslig2025 4 роки тому +17

    10:30 - 12:33 Indeed, we don't simply share just 14 ERVs with Chimps. We nearly share almost all our respective ERVs with each other. Those 14 ERVs are specifically uniquely shared by humans and chimps, but not by any other. The creationists are mistakingly thinking that this means we just share 14 with Chimps, but there are a lot more than that which we also share with Gorillas and Orang-utans, and many other distantly related animals.

    • @Oswlek
      @Oswlek 4 роки тому

      Thank you for explaining where the #14 came from.

    • @_modernmage
      @_modernmage 4 роки тому +1

      @Never-ending party do you imagine being needlessly hostile is helping your case?

    • @_modernmage
      @_modernmage 4 роки тому

      @Never-ending party You should watch the series by Counter Arguments discussing 12 Angry Men. It's a beautiful analysis of good debate and arguments, and I think it'll help anyone be a better arguer.

    • @_modernmage
      @_modernmage 4 роки тому

      @Never-ending party That seems to be a needlessly antagonistic view of people. Let's separate people from their beliefs. Love the sin, but not the sinner, right?

    • @_modernmage
      @_modernmage 4 роки тому

      @Never-ending party that's a baseless assumption. I've dealt with countless atheists and theists, and talked with them all the same. I know enough about disagreeing with people to know that being antagonistic doesn't make them want to change their mind.

  • @Orangekid65
    @Orangekid65 2 роки тому +2

    The "I'm not prepared for that' remix got a laugh out me. :D

  • @stephenmorley1991
    @stephenmorley1991 3 роки тому +2

    ERV's confirmed and peer checked by scientists from all over the world, Kent's theory that all the water from the flood came from an ice dome, literally pulled out of thin air lol

  • @jamestor6700
    @jamestor6700 4 роки тому +2

    wait wait, Mat Powell said everyone who attacks him and Kent have fantasy names for themselves.
    pretty sure Rachel Oates's real name is wait for it Rachel Oates.
    And I have made arguments against him in the comment section of some of his videos (which he usually deletes)
    another shocker is coming, my real name is actually Kyle

  • @lennyhipp
    @lennyhipp 4 роки тому +1

    if someone really taught science for 15 years, they wouldn't be stumped by ERVs.

    • @captainobvious8558
      @captainobvious8558 4 роки тому

      He also claims to have a 160 IQ but can't follow simple logic.

  • @bethsargent1336
    @bethsargent1336 4 роки тому +2

    When I was leaving Christianity and decided to learn about evolution (in my 30’s), I had to get help from a trusted friend to help me pry open that mental iron door with a crow bar. Brainwashing and indoctrination from childhood is not something that can be logically argued away until the person is willing to hear.

    • @bethsargent1336
      @bethsargent1336 4 роки тому

      Never-ending party you sound like an angry human. Anger is usually a secondary emotion,with fear or sadness underneath. The first crack in my tough shell came when I worked for a kind couple who were not religious. They treated me well, and respected my individual rights to think and feel and reason. Years later, a fellow mom befriended me who is a Christian but also accepts evolution as fact. That blew my mind a little bit. Enter cognitive dissonance. It turns out there are a lot of Christians in this world who hold the ideas of Jesus and evolution in their brains simultaneously. I’m not one of them, and that’s okay. It’s okay to hold different ideas than another person. Eventually, enough things happened in my life that I was willing to research evolution for myself. At first, I understood almost nothing and enlisted the help of a patient friend to get me to the level of an American fifth grader in the field of science. I might be at the level of an eighth grader now. The brainwashing of a tiny Christian school and fundamentalist parents who interjected “that’s not true!” during science tv programs did not help me become a kinder person. It just made me afraid to explore the world and talk to people different than myself.

    • @bethsargent1336
      @bethsargent1336 4 роки тому

      Never-ending party, I appreciate your honesty. “I simply don’t believe” is your truth and I respect it as yours. It took me a few decades to get to the point where people can make up their own minds without being “lost and clueless”. Name calling never changed one persons mind. I’ve done some reading and listening about evolution. One of my favorite bits is the documentary on the discovery of tiny impressions in the rock. Tiktaalik. It takes a lot of time to change. I don’t have to be afraid of an angry deity anymore while I go about the business of being human.

  • @Number0neSon
    @Number0neSon 4 роки тому +2

    So...Hovind's ideal collaborator on the topic of ERVs is a guy who hadn't really heard of them "before today", lol? Further proof that Kent is a joke.

    • @dirimens_copulatio3989
      @dirimens_copulatio3989 4 роки тому

      I was just getting ready to ask where have you been Son? Then I checked your channel and saw a recent upload. Nice!
      Why was I not informed of this UA-cam!?!?

    • @Number0neSon
      @Number0neSon 4 роки тому

      @@dirimens_copulatio3989 Thanks! UA-cam is a fickle creature.

  • @ethelwulfmountbattenderoth2286
    @ethelwulfmountbattenderoth2286 4 роки тому +2

    Did Hovind remember to pay his taxes? Deadline was yesterday. Oh wait, deadline was extended...due to Evolution.

  • @RationalMind
    @RationalMind 4 роки тому +1

    The origin of the claim that only 14 ERVs are shared between humans and chimp is likely a paper published in 2000 by Lebedev et al. entitled: “Differences in HERV-K LTR insertions in orthologous loci of humans and great apes”. A portion of their Figure 5 that shows 14 different ERVs on a primate phylogeny was reprinted on the talkorigins page “29+ Evidences for Macroevolution Part 4: The Molecular Sequence Evidence” (Figure 4.4.1), which is probably where creationists saw it.
    If this was the original source, the creationists are already off to a bad start, since the figure actually shows 11 ERVs shared by humans and chimps (and varying numbers of other primates) and 3 human-specific ERVs. Of course, this paper was published in 2000, prior to the sequencing of the human (or chimp) genome, and certainly wasn’t an exhaustive search for ERVs.
    The human genome project estimated there are around 200,000 ERV elements in the human genome (see the 2001 human genome project paper) and when this is compared to chimp ERVs, it was found that less than 100 were unique to humans, and less than 300 were unique to chimps (see the 2005 chimp genome paper). So we share the vast, VAST majority.
    Since then, over 500,000 ERV elements have been identified in the human genome (see the Human Endogenous Retrovirus Database (HERVd)). As far as I know these 500,000 sequences haven’t been checked to see how many are in the same location in the chimp genome (I might play around with the analysis myself), but don’t think there’s any reason to think that the proportion will change from what was found before using 40% of these sequences - the vast majority are shared between humans and chimps.

  • @HG-jy3bl
    @HG-jy3bl 4 роки тому +1

    Great video! However, young Earth creationism isn't demanded by the biblical text. I'd encourage you to look up the organization "Biologos". Francis Collins the lead of the Human Genome Project is himself a Christian. There are many of us Christians who acknowledge evolution

  • @davidr1620
    @davidr1620 2 роки тому +1

    I know Hovind is such low hanging fruit, but exposing him and his ignorance is still so fun. It’s been a blast for me to watch ever since I left the anti scientific and conspiratorial cult of young earth creationism 12 years ago.
    Creationists rely on mere possibilities to explain this stuff away. But in doing so, they reveal why their misunderstanding of science would render science completely impotent. For science is about what are the best explanations for phenomena, not just possibilities. Possibilities are a dime a dozen. One can imagine a creationist scenario in which a common designer, as Hovind puts it, puts ERVs into DNA. But they cannot explain why they follow such a stunning predictable pattern of a nested hierarchy. But that’s the very phenomenon to be explained! So their version of science is as impotent as astrology or tarot cards. It doesn’t perform any function. It’s nothing but a system of ad hoc rationalizations.
    I actually first learned about ERVs from a Christian evolutionist lecture. It absolutely blew my mind and I knew I could no longer hold onto the creationist fantasy any longer. I could either pretend not to understand this very powerful evidence or I could just follow the evidence where it leads.
    But we can’t blame Hovind too much here. I truly and honestly do not think he is smart enough to understand the significance of ERVs. Sure, even a middle schooler could understand this if they thought about it. But Hovind does not and cannot think deeply.

  • @terryriley8963
    @terryriley8963 4 роки тому +3

    In just half an hour from not knowing anything about ERVs to becoming an expert in ERVs to a level of understanding that enables you to totally scientifically debunk ERVs is truly amazing and with your ‘rounded up’ math evidence to back it all up making it 100% air tight leaves me speechless. Well done Kent, the all powerful, all knowing holy Google really does work in mysterious ways.

    • @StandingForTruthMinistries
      @StandingForTruthMinistries 4 роки тому +1

      I debated Catz on ERVs today. I think you enjoy it. Be sure to check it out.
      You can find it on either my channel or a marvel girls channel same channel kent and catz debated on.

  • @mattm5296
    @mattm5296 4 роки тому +1

    That's what inmate #24601 gets for stating he can debate anyone with half his brain tied behind his back. Perhaps, next time, we need to clarify which half: the top half removed, the left half removed, or the front half? Please, no remarks about having the lower half removed because ... well, that's murder and murder is badong.

  • @Sage-Thyme
    @Sage-Thyme 4 роки тому +2

    To address the 98000 vs 14 ERVs thing. Even if these numbers were correct, let's play pretend, that would just mean that those 98000 occurred after our ancestral divergence. They are still failing to explain the 14 that are in exactly the same place. Unless they're going to go with the typical 'god did it', because why, why would he, what's the point, and don't try that 'to fool unbelievers' argument, because it strikes me he spent a lot of time creating things and situations which would sow disbelief. If that's the case he's purposely trying to misdirect people which is just conniving.
    Edit because I watched more:
    We're not evolved apes, we are apes you numpty.

  • @PaulTheSkeptic
    @PaulTheSkeptic 4 роки тому +2

    You know, no one ever actually said exactly why this is evidence for evolution. The idea is that one organism in the past was infected with a virus and then all the progeny of that organism show those ERV inserts. For example, a human and a chimp. If they share the same retroviral remnant in the same place in both genomes, we can say that our common ancestor was the one originally infected. And we share hundreds with chimps alone. And gorillas, orangutans and bonobos. And with other primates. And even with other mammals. In fact, by studying ERV insertion points, we could map put all life in a branching tree pattern. And that data matches what we know from comparative DNA and morphology. 3 separate maps of life and they all match each other. Does that make sense? I could explain better if anyone wants me to.

    • @DemonicRemption
      @DemonicRemption 3 роки тому

      @Paul TheSkeptic
      I think it's the idea the ERVs are genetically inherited. That's the impression this video left me with, and I haven't heard of ERVs until two months ago when I first saw this along my torture trail while writing my first Christian fiction novel.

    • @PaulTheSkeptic
      @PaulTheSkeptic 3 роки тому +1

      @@DemonicRemption Yes, exactly. If they happen to infect the reproductive cells, your children and their children will have that viral remnant in their DNA for a scientists to come along in millions of years and study. So the idea is that if two separate but related species had the same viral remnant in the same part of the genome, the only way for that to happen was if that was if there was one infection, then the organism diversified and split into two species. The odds against one particular virus infecting two separate species in the exact same place is very remote. And there are hundreds of these things.
      I always thought this video explained it well.ua-cam.com/video/TUxLR9hdorI/v-deo.html

  • @NobodyNowhereKnowhow
    @NobodyNowhereKnowhow Рік тому +2

    That was freaking adorable! @kenthovind cosplaying as a doctor. I bet that’s what he wants to be when he grows up!

  • @mattlambert3118
    @mattlambert3118 4 роки тому +1

    I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one person explain to Kent what ERVs are and he just replied, "and that's enough for you to think that you came from a rock and Jesus was a liar."

  • @JohnTorres1987
    @JohnTorres1987 Рік тому +1

    He also refuted ERVs during a debate with the infidel guy’s audience before he went to prison. Since he admits that he didn’t even know what they were, he was being very dishonest when he tried to refute them on the show.

  • @larryib
    @larryib 4 роки тому +1

    Conspiracy Catz Whipped Kent at the debate so Kent Whacked off Conspiracy Catz

  • @iluvtacos1231
    @iluvtacos1231 3 роки тому +1

    I didn't know i needed to hear Kent Hovend say pussy twice but by God I am grateful for it

  • @byebry
    @byebry 4 роки тому +2

    ERV's are one of my favorite evidences. I've looked for creationist explanations - so far I've only found 2 responses: 1) god created things such that they are similar, so of course we'd expect to see similar parts in DNA. 2) ERV's aren't what we're told they are.
    Neither of these explanations honestly address the data.
    Matt Powell's "answer" is just wrong.

    • @StandingForTruthMinistries
      @StandingForTruthMinistries 4 роки тому

      I debated Catz on ERVs today. I think you enjoy it. Be sure to check it out.
      You can find it on either my channel or a marvel girls channel same channel kent and catz debated on.

  • @thinkinaboutpolitics
    @thinkinaboutpolitics 3 роки тому +1

    A Conspiracy Catz crossover with Paulogia. I was not prepared for that.

  • @RustyWalker
    @RustyWalker 4 роки тому +1

    Didn't Tony cover ERVs in his "How Creationism Taught me Real Science" series? I'm pretty sure he did. Kent's just not been paying attention (and we all know what that really means).

  • @MrBaramit
    @MrBaramit 4 роки тому +1

    11:05 Please correct me if I don't make any sense: it says 14 out of 98,000 is 0.00014% but my amazing calculation skills tells me that it is 0.0143%. Evolution isn't true, math isn't true, what else?

  • @TheWTFcakes
    @TheWTFcakes 4 роки тому +1

    4:03 imagine my shock when I notice the words "broccoli man" in Kent's comment....
    Edit: idk if this is a meme on this channel, my name is entirely unrelated...

  • @coltcorrea3075
    @coltcorrea3075 3 роки тому +1

    New video on ERVs that looks at how things work: ua-cam.com/video/oXfDF5Ew3Gc/v-deo.html

  • @Hawkwolf1017
    @Hawkwolf1017 4 роки тому +3

    OOOOOOoh Conspiracy Catz. I enjoy his videos because of the type of humor he does.

  • @lucamedugno
    @lucamedugno 4 роки тому +2

    Someone must tell Hovind about it. I doubt that he will respond tho...

  • @dave3657
    @dave3657 4 роки тому +1

    LOL Isn't the bible "just lines on paper"?

  • @jamesdspaderf2883
    @jamesdspaderf2883 3 роки тому +1

    Got to love the crazies of this world, the Hovind clan and FLERFs etc. After all, without them: think how much entertainment will be lost.

    • @DemonicRemption
      @DemonicRemption 3 роки тому

      @James D Spader F
      I'm glad you find this entertaining... After an accumulated 5 hours of Hovind uninterrupted as he tried to refute Aron-Ra, I find him aggravating. I also find it sad that folks like Hovind represent Christians like me in the eyes of some atheists.
      --Because unlike Kent Hovind, I'm smarter than a sixth grader.-- Sorry, sorry, I let my anger slip with that last sentence.

  • @Kevin_Williamson
    @Kevin_Williamson 4 роки тому +1

    I love the internal citations of creationists. Some creationist writes a "paper" for a creationist "journal" (that only allows creationist-affirming content). That paper is cited by other creationists for their wannabe papers. Which are cited by other creationists. And so on. And so on. It becomes a multilayered cake of citations of bad sources that started with a bad source misrepresenting a good source. The trick is to do the mind-numbing research to follow the trail to get there. Which many people simply won't do.

  • @kevinwheesysouthward9295
    @kevinwheesysouthward9295 4 роки тому +1

    I despise Kent Hovind more than any other apologist. His dishonesty is repulsive. I couldn’t imagine lacking shame and humility to such a degree.

    • @kevinwheesysouthward9295
      @kevinwheesysouthward9295 4 роки тому

      Never-ending party Yeah, learn how to construct coherent sentences before you attempt philosophy.

  • @raulramirez6052
    @raulramirez6052 4 роки тому +1

    Your plug for catz was just great at the end of this vid! I have to head over there and sub! Thanks for the link and a great vid on ERVs and the destruction of these pseudo ‘intellectuals’! LOL! Peace