Why International Relations Degrees are USELESS...for the most part - COLLEGE CRINGE |
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TL;DR -
Go to college for whatever you want but be very informed about the outcome you want, versus the outcome you'll realistically get.
Consider the price, time and potential debt you'll take on to do it.
Ask yourself if you can learn these things outside of college.
Ask yourself if you can learn these things while also doing a different degree?
Ask yourself what skills you'll take away from this degree you can use to add value to a company, individual to make a living.
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Stupid course. The world doesnt work how they tell people it does anyway. Its all who is related to who. Secret Societies.
"Consider the price, time and potential debt... if you can learn these things outside of college"
(EXACTLY )^10
I'm all for universal free education -- in places like Western Europe it seems to work very well, increasing quality of life and happiness. But it makes sense to limit this to reasonably high benefit/cost majors. This typically leads to endless protest from non STEM majors. There is some risk of not making a good benefit/cost analysis in determining 'approved' majors. But the risk is of not making an accurate analysis. Not the reality that some majors have low benefit/cost. Fine if you like art, drama, 'basket weaving' and/or the 'soft' sciences. But the benefit /cost of these degrees to society, is much lower than STEM.
Still, It's thunderously infuriating to watch innumerates with communications/international relations/ psychology / political science/ sociology degrees, falsely claiming they needed college for these skills, and that they're magically more creative and human than the STEM degreed.
exactly. Kids going into college need to be well informed of the major(s) they are entering into and the jobs that are *actually* available to them at the end.
I think it's for rich hot people with connections to meet other rich hot people with connections
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@@joefraser855Which is your country? BTW That's true. Connections in Multinationals can get you high paying job even if your degree is not related to it... I have seen that so many times
That's exactly what it is
you just described ivy league concept.
If your parents are rich you don't need to learn skills to find a job, either you will never have to work or you can start in your parents company. Just study anything to satisfy your parents 👍💸
Ah yes, a video about the biggest mistake of my life
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@@wunder1385 Don't stop.
That and War Thunder
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You mean with different slavs?
"This whole degree looks like a f*cking vacation."
Done.
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On top of that it's pretty expensive 😅💸💸💸 with that amount of money I could go on vacation and buy a car 🚗
Lol if you want to work in international relations work you generally need a degree in international relations... The oversimplification in this video is insane. The argument seems to boil down to college is stupid because you can learn things on your own time. Could you have a more "no duh" take? The degree is just a way to prove to other people you're qualified. I'm not going to hire you to work at my NGO because you swear to me you've studied lots of international relations topics. You need a degree. The world is unfair. Plenty of people get college degrees they will never use. This isn't a reflection on college or the chosen field of study. It's a reflection of that person's choice and access to opportunities. International relations is a very specific field of study and there are only really jobs available in DC and NYC. You would need to know that going in or else you probably won't find work related to your degree. Also, are you really using college degree promotion intro videos to make an actual argument? Everyone knows they are surface level and aren't going to go into any of the complexities. I guess it makes sense this guy would have such stupid takes since he's obviously a "take my course" grifter taking advantage of idiots on the internet who want a shortcut to get rich quick. You want to know a universal factor among international relations majors? They wan't to make the world a better place. That is the entire point of the field of study you vapid losers. Who cares about "working at Google" when the world is on fire and there are active wars and genocides. The field of international relations teaches you how to participate in the international institutions that are working to do literally everything good humans do in the world.
That s not really true...i mean, I am studying political science and international relations and some exams seems to be useless, and If I could I wouldn’t do, but I can’t go back,or change subjects, however, I can say that others are not. Probably this concept could be applied to every degree out there
I studied at history faculty in Lyceum, and one day our teacher asked her alumni who just graduated from International Relations to promote us the course. When I asked him what he will do after his degree he said: “Basically I am a guy who knows everything, but unable to do anything”.
I felt that.
That’s how I felt after my liberal arts degree, but then I went on to computational linguistics
"Basically I am a guy who knows a little about everything"* there, I fixed it for him. Being able to draw from a tiny bit of knowledge of any given topic is not nearly as useful as actually learning a couple of topics really well.
i got my bachelor's in IR... i remember how my teacher told us once "IR is the college dregree that will teach you how to hunt dinosaurs, you'll spend 4 years of your life learning how to hunt them, how they work, how they think... until you leave college and you realize THERE ARE NO FUC**** DINOSAURS! So what do you do ? 1- You get another degree; 2- you are so good at arguing that you convince people they need you to hunt dinosaurs for them. or 3- You teach others how to hunt dinosaurs"
You practically need to get the 2nd degree. If you are short on cash, this is a nightmare.
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I mean if you're not from the US then ya I could see this being the case. Most other countries have no major "foreign relations industry". If you are from the US then you're teacher isn't very smart and I would probably disregard what he has told you. My friends and I here in DC go on big dino hunts everyday and we come back with T-Rex steaks lol. Just last year my company and our IR degrees helped reduce trade costs at the Columbian border by nearly 100 million USD a year. Used to take truckers up to 3 weeks to move through border controls. Thanks to some people with IR degrees, the process has been simplified and now trucks can move through the border much more quickly thanks to the one stop shop measures we suggested and funded.
@@HelloThere-xx1ct do you have a BA or did you master in it
@@HelloThere-xx1ct hi, I lived in US for my first 5 years, and I probably have double citizenship because of that, now I am living in Turkey. I will probably comeback to US after university, is US really good for IR? I will study IR in English, it is necessary in there, so I will fix my bad grammer and other parts I'm not good in English. What is the other languages useful generally? Is Turkish or Azerbaijani useful? Or it is better to know Spanish or German( I have learned German a little bit in high school but I think German is harder than Spanish mostly) ?
Alright let's do this! **Graduates with useless International Relations Degree and the world closes down so you just explore your own neighborhood**
Winning!! 😎
This actually happened to my friend who got a minor i IS-- she goes, I was relying on getting a job in tourism. She has an undergrad degree now and is working at a worse grocery store than I did when I was in high school.
Lol do you live in DC or NYC? If not, you really can't complain m8
How do you bold your typing?
@@ismeisme6441 You scream at the monitor while doing it.
The college I went to had an Equestrian Studies program where you can learn to ride horses competitively. $50,000 per year...to ride horses...and they don’t even provide the horses.
LMAO
Hahahahahahah
To be fair, they don't provide the airplane on pilot school
without the horses??? no no
@@dieg000n To be fair, being a pilot can make you a lot of money. Might as well feed the money to the horses for the horse degree
Over here in Peru this is the go-to "career" for the ones who want to go to uni but don't know what to study. It's one of the most popular and also the one with the highest rate of unemployment among their graduates along with Business Admin
The other career is Social Communications and Journalism. They dream to work on a newspaper, news agency or a TV network when they have a severe crisis in the fake news era, the internet and lack of trust.
Eres de Peru? (pregunto xsia)
@@wilfredopk3080 Colombiano.
I am also from Perú and i have a sister studying this career. Where did you find that info?
Getting an actual internship at the UN is a joke. I would love to see you make a video on it.
The UN internships are unpaid, you also have to pay for travel, accommodation and food. I live in the UK and when I looked to apply, the only open positions were in Austria and South Korea and yet the UN expected you to take care of the plane tickets, visa issues and look for an accommodation yourself.
Meanwhile they expected you to work unpaid, full-time for a series of months. It is a complete joke!
Its obviously only for rich people or their friendz to apply
So you pay to get real-world UN experience whereas at an uni you'd pay to go to the mock UN instead?
That's BS.
bUt I wOrKeD fOr ThE UN sO tHaT mEaNs I aM sUpErIoR
What's the joke? Nearly all internships in the US worth having are unpaid or severely underpaid. It's the nature of the game and has nothing to do with the value of the internship. Additionally, there is a ton of free money out there to support you in internships if you look. Like everything in life it is what you make of it. Somehow I don't think the UN missed you.
A more logical degree is a lawyer with a specialization in international law, a much more useful degree, ton of money, and you still get that "international" aspect.
Law degrees are over saturated
@@MrL702 True, but some niches are very valuable (ie international law or intellectual property law). Also, as a lawyer, you can do things other people simply can never do (i.e. file motions).
Lol with what undergraduate degree? It will be much easier to get into a good international law degree program with an IR degree than without one. Considering there are about 10 decent international law programs in the world, good luck getting in without having some type of political science degree.
@@HelloThere-xx1ct Wrong. LSAT scores matter the most. Econ majors and STEM grads have no problem getting into top law schools
@@I_Lemaire the average STEM gpa is quite far below social sciences. Why do you think see mostly soc sci students and humanities in law school.
This is a rich dudes degree, I can see that this dude travelled over 20 countries while studying.
We bigfoots don't go to college out here in the woods
Respect for following social distancing for decades before Covid crisis, hehe
Bigfeet..? 🤔
I love these videos, even as someone with a BA in Marketing and an MBA. Everything you're saying is true. Majority of these degrees are totally useless.
Yours are still somewhat practical, not as much as a STEM degree but usually you can find an entry level business job.
@Erik Maybe my logic is flawed, but in this capitalist society with extreme consumerism how could a marketing degree be useless?
@@hecatrice2064 because you can learn marketing for free on the internet or learn it while getting paid on the job
@@florianruhstaller1730 that's if you get hired without a degree in a job of ur field, which is an ideal scenario
@@hecatrice2064 it’s a very likely scenario if you train on the internet and generate your own experience beforehand through a personal project. I’ve done it
One tesla model 3 per year to play pretend lol
It is actually per semester.
I would take the degree then. No fucking way i'm gonna drive a plastic toy car.
@@ouwetroep6910 You can buy another car though.
M8 it's called a student loan. They are very very easy to get and they charge no interest for a billion years. But keep telling yourself that this loser on youtube is going to help you become more successful. Couldn't you just learn everything in this video and his courses on your own? What a waste of time and money just like stooopid college
@@HelloThere-xx1ct Go in debt to go to a school to *maybe* find a job to pay off your debt. Nah.
Go to the military for a few years, make money, get experience, and free tuition after. Yeah.
"I just like to learn about things I never knew about before."
-that's... Kind of a prerequisite to learning anything... no?
The whole thing is a vague mess of fancy pansy words for normies to interpret a deeper meaning that doesn't exists...
*But don't worry once you get the degree you can think of the deeper meaning of how you're gonna get rid of that debt.*
He looks like his parents can afford the fees.
Alright I need to step in here. (I'm an MA-IR graduate from a top tier school for context) 1. This video looks bizarre. Most legit IR programs don't advertise this way. 2. I agree that a BA in IR doesn't make much sense and I totally agree that the MA-IR is the much better way to go. 3. IR is for VERY specific career paths. If you want to be a foreign service officer, work at a DC think tank, work at an inter-governmental or INGO, work at DoS or USAID this degree coupled with a WELL KNOWN school will easily get you a REALLY good job after grad school. I would say easily 95% of my cohort all found jobs directly after grad school with the majority of those jobs being in the federal government or an inter-governmental org. And btw, my cohort was not a bunch of lazy rich kids. We all worked our asses off, slept in the office countless nights, worked on consulting projects with real world consequences. A decent IR program will have like 2 theory classes and then ALL the rest of the classes are advanced stats, advanced economics, coursework with real world practitioners who literally teach you the internal frameworks of how for example the World Food Program works (WFP recruits alot of folks from good IR programs btw). 4. The UN internship is NOT a joke. It's competitive for a reason. And the job offers alone afterwards easily make up for the unpaid internship. It's like Harvard, just having it on your resume zooms you past other people. BUT, even if it gets you job interviews afterwards you still have to actually KNOW how to do the job. You can do policy analysis at the UN but then have an advanced stats exam (literally an EXAM not a silly test) when you apply for a job somewhere after. (FYI, you need to take advanced stats and other related courses in most legit IR programs). So you need to actually know what you're doing. 5. Also, many people misunderstand the UN recruiting process because they don't take the time to actually understand it. It's far easier to get UN internships abroad and have ALOT more serious projects and tasks. Many many folks I know have done UN internship (in Uganda for example) > directly going into a project management or program officer position for a big INGO like Save the Children > Director track for same org in DC or directly in the Department of State. Also, if you excel in your IR program you can sit for the PMF exam DURING grad school and doing well on that exam essentially gets you right into the state department. But it's NOT an easy exam and like anything else you have to work and study hard and earn that fellowship. 6. In sum, an MA-IR is what you make of it. But I can assure you that any program worth a grain of salt will throw you out of the program quite quickly if you don't pull your weight. IR is ALOT more than just learning about other countries and geography. It's literally about learning the tangible day to day work of state craft and the advanced skills required to know what the hell you're doing when you go to work at a global institution. It's designed for folks who want to be practitioners, not dream about theory all day. 7. I'm actually not upset at all with Josh and completely understand where he's coming from. There ARE alot of idiots out there and there are alot of programs that are deceiving. I just want people to know that there's more to the REAL IR than what is commonly thought of it. Thanks for listening this far, folks!
why do you think it’s a better idea to do ir as a masters instead of bachelors
@@gerardmonteiro483 Hi there, so the masters is better because it's intensive and straight to the point. You learn to be a practitioner and learn tangible real world skills. I would say so long as you've already worked in business, finance, public affairs, business analyst, any kind of math/data or M.B.A. type background but need to learn the very specifics of how to run global humanitarian logistics or work in any kind of high level intergovernmental organization, then the MA-IR is good for you. Folks with experience in the private sector already have a head start before the MA-IR. It's also really good for Veterans with similar experience who want to work at the policy level or get more info the executive leadership skills, etc. An example of what you'll learn is how to run the unique global logistics during a famine or how to get medical teams into Syria safely 1 day after bombs went off. Or you might learn how to deal with high level negotiations (think G-8 summit or a similar large scale multilateral governance events). These jobs use sophisticated and complex frameworks you won't learn working a regular office job. That's why you to sit with, for example, the former head of the World Food Programme and they walk you through the details of how to run these large scale programs efficiently and safely. Again, only people wanting to get into these very specific types of jobs should go for the MA-IR.
Thank you very much for explaining it this way. You really reassured me! I am currently in a French high school and specialised in history geography, geopolitics and political science as well as English and regional literature with of course all the other course that we normally take. And I recently applied for a bachelor in politics and international relations so I was wondering if u could tell me if I did the right choice, in terms of workload social life and other things that we could stress about haha
Thank you for your time!
@@professorudd1363 hey can we speak sometime i need advice
@@professorudd1363 Would you recommend a BA-IR for someone trying to work for an intelligence agency like DIA? I'm a Veteran who already has intelligence experience.
I majored in psychology to then go be a psychologist. I elected against social services due to the low pay and value, and now I have a $30k piece of paper and I work in the legal dept. Don’t be me
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I considered psychology in the past but after doing research about the pay & difficulty of finding a job I went the computer technology route. I hope you find your path if you’re looking to do something else one day
I don't think it's a waste of time for everything, my dad did a master's in international relations and s bachelor's in political science. He was a diplomat, though embassy security RSO, so it relied more on work experience. These types of government jobs often require a degree, so if you have a solid career plan it's not a waste.
Im studying in Europe where it's a few thousand euros s year. Listen bro, what you're missing is many jobs require college degrees, so yes they can learn these skills on their own but without a degree nobody is going to hire them
I want to do Masters in IR. Could you please tell which college are you doing it in? I need some advice
@@thegamebaar8994 Uniwersytet Jagielloński, (jagiellonian university). You can email me stuartmcclanahan1@gmail.com
@@stuart4341 oh its in Poland. When i was researching abt Poland i came across few videos that said if you're a non EU student it will take a much longer time to get student visa converted to work visa and you cannot do any work at that time. That's why I'm apprehensive about Poland
The problem is diplomat job are very limited. But there are thousand people that graduate with international relationship degree each year alone. So if you don't have an experience nor a connection it's almost impossible to get a job with this degree.
@@user-gc1hg9sp9k Idk about your country, but in the US it's not limited. US embassies can have upwards of 500 American employees. There's probably around 450 American embassies and consulates around the world with probably about 250 employees on average. That's 112,000 people. Remember the embassy needs security, nurses, event organisers, managers, IT specialists, and many others. They work in around 3 year cycles, so after the rotation is over they go back to DC for other work so in total it's likely over 250k people.
If you're from Andorra, which has only 5 embassies abroad perhaps your employment opportunities are limited.
Don't ask your professors what you can do with your humanities or social science degree. The only career most of them have ever known is academia; they have no idea what the work world looks like outside of the university.
As an IR person, this is true. My professors were pushing me to get into academia like crazy, I didn't want to do that kind of structured research and teaching that they were doing
They are living in the ivory tower looking down to common people and offering useless/harmful/out of touch advice for the government.
_Watch also documentaries like these:_
* Unlikely (2019)
* Fail State (2017)
* The Ivory Tower (2014)
* Race To Nowhere (2010)
* The Cartel (2009)
Well... I'm actually studying International affairs at the university of St. Gallen... Most of the people i know (who studied IR) work for the government, for consulting agencies, marketing, HR, bank, npo, ngo and so on... But i also know some people who got an additional degree in economics alongside their degree in IR to have better chances in the job market. In addition to that, the fees for our unis in switzerland are not high in comparison to the US or UK (would never pay this amount of money just for a degree) so students here don't get into depth (never heard of a person who got into depth just for their degree and no, i'm not a rich kid but middle class) but i agree that MUN's are a complete joke. So with all what i explained above; me personally, I'm glad i chose this major as my aim is to work for an NGO, NPO or the government later. So i guess it's the right choice for me. But i'm also learning to code rn and adding more languages to my resumee bc can't hurt right? 😉
Agree. This whole existential crisis about the importance of degrees is more relevant in countries where going to university is very expensive (USA, Canada, UK, Australia, etc). That and the potential danger of automation.
people don't realize the importance of a university environment (or campus), being around smart, motivated people., Higher educations are not just about getting the "right skills" for the market...Europe has done education right :) I guess entering the job market as 18-19 years school graduate is even worse. Who the hell know at the age, what you want from life. So for smart kids, I would say is always better to go to uni at least for bachelor :)
I agree thooo there are so many negativity in the comment section smhhh
@@victor-536 going to University in Canada is not expensive overall im doing a master in international relations for about 6k and it a reknown program but for the US and other countries you may be right
Omg omg I love St Gallen!!!!!!!!!
I have a degree in Finance with a specialty in “risk management” and I learned more from learning in my reading. AFTER I graduated. Back when I graduated high school, going to college was just what you did because we were told that “employers wanted to see you could finish a degree” or something along those lines. So a lot of my friends just got degrees in anything, like sociology and are doing nothing with them.
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True because they know those jobs that are in demand.
There are a lot of people graduating with useless degrees thinking they'll end up in this amazing job that pays extremely well, that's not how the world works.
The jobs that are in demand are sure to get you somewhere but getting your degree without making research on what jobs there are in demand in your town/city then it's worthless and you'll end up having a hard time.
@@jellyfishi_ Yeah but how is that working out for countries like India. Everybody there is forced by their parents to become an engineer, and its caused the industry over there to be over competitive and to pay extremely low. Being a software engineer (or any kind of engineer) over in India is becoming less and less worth it because everybody is becoming one. Thats what happened to degrees in the first place. Back in the day communications degrees were worth it because nobody had them. Its supply and demand. Soon trades will be all the boom and then it will switch back to degrees again and back and forth.
Got my degree in Finance too. I’ve learned so much more on my own and from trading than my professors ever taught. College is pretty useless in my opinion.
@@jellyfishi_ scientists are in the same unemployed category lol unless it's in physics
@@jellyfishi_ yes true, but the thing is asian parents expect you to do those careers and not nurture your love in them, because they tend to work all the time. So you end up a blank sheet of paper who gets good grades by the end of high school.
Same can be said for most business degrees except Accounting/Finance. I studied marketing and I do not use ANYTHING they taught me in college. Everything that I use - Adobe Suite, Google/Facebook Ads, SEO, Excel, Printing, Photography, Filming; I learned everything on my own.
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Well, the course content/program is important for the type of job you can land as an IR major. For exemple, if your program has a good dose of history, geography and writing, you can get a job as a journalist. But besides that, below are the types of jobs that I have seen IR majors hold.
1.They can work as project managers for peacebuilding orgs or human rights orgs.
2. They can work as researchers or assistant researchers in universities and other types of academic or political institutions.
3. They can work for foreign ministries (as people in charge of trade commissions, cooperation departments, advisor to ministers, etc).
4. A lot of International relations degree holders aim to work in embassies (as embassadors, visa officers, cultural affairs leaders, etc.)
5. They can be in charge of travel and mission protocols for members of the government.
But a masters' degree is definitely needed for those that aim to work for the UN.
My brother graduated from Boston University with a bachelors in international relations and minor in Eastern European studies and speaks 8 languages. He works and make a great salary. The point is there is a lot of layers in a degree but depends on how you use it.
But your brother speaks 8 languages. That’s the big difference.
@@Ufu4847 Thank you very much for your advice ! I chose to study International Studies as a major in my Bachelor (my first semester is going to start this september) and I got a decent scholarship. But I am extremely worried about job opportunities in this field. I haven't even started studying yet and I already have anxiety. Initially, I chose to study International studies because it is broad and will give me the opportunity to know what subject interests me the most etc. But as you said, jobs are very limited in this field so I guess I will chose Business Administration as a minor. What do you think ? What do you advise me to chose as a minor and Master ? (My goal is to be able to work in International Trade or even do a Master in International Law for exemple. I'm open to all these possibilities).
PS: I already speak 3 languages fluently (French, English, Arabic) and plan on learning two more (Spanish and Hebrew)
@C.Huseyin So even if I study IR as a major in my Bachelor, it's OK if I learn more languages ??
I studied international relations. I was promised to work in government, diplomacy, embassies, consulates, EU parliament, NATO, UN, etc. My first job marketing lead specialist in tech company, my second job administrative assistant, my third job insurance verification specialist in the clinic, my fourth job account manager in airlines catering company, my fifth job events coordinator, my sixth job administrative assistant/project coordinator. This didn't happened because I'm stupid or lazy. This happen because the 4 years of my international relations degree didn't teach me any skills. I knew nothing about finances, economy, business, management etc. All I knew was international law, international affairs, sociology, psychology, statistics, history, geography, English and broken French. Stay away from that faculty if you don't want to struggle like I do.
Why don’t people do their research before studying such programs? Also wanting to work for the EU, NATO etc. how do you sleep at night?
still better than working for Hamas, ISIS, Hezbolla, MS13, dumbass.
In the UK, we'd call this a "Mickey Mouse degree".
@patrickchinka in Mexico, "patito" (little duck degree)
In America, this is what your sports scholarship kids will major in...while vying for that limited slot in professional sports...
“welcome to the army of unemployed” in Turkey 😂
In italy: Degree got with supermarket fidelity card points7
In switzerland we just call them "gibberish science degrees"
I still don’t understand financially ruining yourself to “figure out what your interests are” 😂 Like take that money, buy a plane ticket and live somewhere other than home for 3 months and you’ll probably get way more value out of doing something like that
Yeah but then you won't be able to read things apparently. Plus you won't have a really expensive piece of paper that says you can read things. Plus you won't have a ton of debt to pay back so you won't have anything to complain about to your fellow coffee artists so you'll feel left out of the conversation, and that would make you feel sad 🙁. Plus you'll never get to feel that illusion of grandeur that you are smarter than you really are, and that won't make you feel happy 😁 for no apparent reason, and that is sad 🙁.
Or get a job in the real world and see what its like.
Mateo Franco - you don’t understand because you don’t have one of this fancy expensive degrees....
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Yeah fuck bankrupting yourself for a degree for something you can teach yourself. I was going to study programming but taught myself instead.
@@lennysmileyface well, I'd say there's an exception. If your degree comes with a license, it may be worth it. For example, I'm a nurse. But I can't practice nursing without a license. I can't get a license without taking the NCLEX. I can't take that test until i get the degree. But this is not how the system is explained to students. It's usually marketed as a package deal. If you get a medical degree but fail your MLE, your degree is likely worthless. It's criminal how these education advisors fail to disclose how one makes money with an education. Each path is different and rarely guaranteed. A license is as close to a guarantee as you can get. But even then, the actual school you choose is largely irrelevant. Is it accredited? That's all that matters. Yeah, keep kids unaware, that sallie mae money keeps flowing in. It's criminal.
Love this series, EXPOSE those colleges!!!
Please do another one of these. They are perfect!
lol. Love this 🤣😂 I have my bachelors in international relations. Minored in business. Just needed something to pass the time with as I figured out what I wanted to really do after the military. My business minor has been the most helpful, but I don’t regret studying international relations. It taught me to not trust anything the education system, government or msm says. Question everything.
Same
Thank you very much for your advice ! I chose to study International Studies as a major in my Bachelor (my first semester is going to start this september) and I got a decent scholarship. But I am extremely worried about job opportunities in this field. I haven't even started studying yet and I already have anxiety. Initially, I chose to study International studies because it is broad and will give me the opportunity to know what subject interests me the most etc. But as you said, jobs are very limited in this field so I guess I will chose Business Administration as a minor. What do you think ? What do you advise me to chose as a minor and Master ? (My goal is to be able to work in International Trade or even do a Master in International Law for exemple. I'm open to all these possibilities).
We getting ripped off in uk but damn the U.S is such a fuckery for college regardless of what you major in
Unless it’s engineering, math science or tech.
"What do you do to afford these studies?"
"My dad runs a business"
There many jobs in government agencies that this degree fits into.
No, there really is not. It is a specialized field within political science. There are relatively few jobs within international organizations or in diplomacy that require a degree in IR. And these jobs are highly competitive.
This sucks. My oldest childhood friend just graduated with her bachelor's in international relations and told me now that she is trying to get into a master's program... In international relations 😟
@@jellyfishi_ she did get a scholarship in undergrad. I'm in the US though. Not 100% sure if that affects of getting a scholarship for a master's. Idk, I hope it works out for her.
Did she travel?
@ben s Edgy.
I'm probably going into public policy and trying to work for the afcs
If she does not have to pay for it, then it is the best education one can get. She can work in journalism or any-non profit.
Serious kudos to Josh for covering this. Sadly, quite a few students/parents think that if a degree is offered, it must be worthwhile. In the last decade there are an increasing number of degree's and classes that appear to be offered solely to "fill seats". The college could care less about the future of a students once they've got their money.
Your videos are so good, I feel like I am procrastinating by watching a lot of them! Awesome content brother! Keep 'em coming!
In germany we call it "Geschwätzwissenschaft" and the translator says it calls "gossip science" in english. I think it hits it
This is the realest shit. After high school I had no idea what I wanted to major in, so when I got to university I just chose what seemed like a "doable" route and started taking the required classes for international relations. My grades got lower with every term because I just didn't care about the material and gave minimal effort just to pass.
Looking back now it's clear that my lack of self-knowledge made me major in something that I wasn't deeply interested in and that I could've studied on my own, so I ended up being apathetic and wasting away four previous years.
So now after bouncing around jobs for a few years, I'm finally sitting down to study to make up for all the studying that I DIDN'T do during university. I'm one month into The Odin Project so far and hoping to work in web development. Funny that since I've been out of work and surfing the web a lot I've delved deeper into science and engineering topics (and the scientific way of looking at things) and find myself fascinated. I really regret not applying myself harder in math and sciences in grade school, but hindsight's 20/20. All that matters is what we do today.
Skillset is everything, and learning an applicable stack of skills (especially in STEM) should be the only reason why we dish out ten of thousands $$$ universities. Otherwise, the internet provides equal or even better education for a lot less. Also, IMO if the degree has "studies" in its name, it's not likely to give you a set of applicable skills.
TL;DR: Asian parents have a fair point. We hated the pressure they put on us but they just wanted us to apply ourselves to something that made us employable and contributing people of the world.
Any updates 2 years later? I was in the same position as you and now work in Data Analysis 😂
Valid message! College is expensive and due diligence is needed before strapping yourself to debt for a degree that may not help you get where you want!
I was so close to study Political Science but I switched to Finance and Banking last minute thank god
I've studied IR for free and I somewhat agree with you, bc like half of the curriculum was pretty much useless, but the other half was languages and it gave me opportunity to learn Arabic and English and those skills are feeding me and my family. But your point still stands - we must focus on valuable skills. Big up
The goal of IR students is working at UN and/or becoming a diplomat
every. single. one.
You really need to have the right friends for this
@@iTux82 Well yeah there's no other practical reason to have an IR degree.
@@Shannon_Vlogs I mean, that goes for every career you're gonna take, networking is crucial. I'm assuming you're referring to nepotism and knowing people that are involved in politics.
In most countries you won’t be getting that job unless you pops works high up in a government position. One of the reasons why AOC was mixing drinks after she graduated
Unless, one of your close relatives is a diplomat, ambassador or in congress, do not study thinks like International Relations
@@vittoriobollo3408 bruhhh say it louderrrrrrr
That is some of the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. Becoming a diplomat, and progressing in the role, is pretty dam easy with the degree - you do not need family connections. IR degrees are also pretty dam useful.
I dunno about your country but unless you are trilingual and had exemplary grades and 5+ years work experience in a related field there is no "easy" way into diplo service. IR is a journo degree for the most part - it can help with diplomatic service tho it's still highly competitive.
@@aniinnrchoque1861 Just apply to the FCO fast stream, you are know a diplomat. You don’t need fancy grades or being trilingual, you just need to pass some tests. The same applies for most countries.
@@MaisieDaisyUpsadaisy not mine ha ha
I always complained going through school to my parents about how tough majoring in Software Engineering was for me, but man some majors really aren't worth it. Glad my parents encouraged me to push through and not switch out to one of these lackluster majors ...
Yeah, that one's a bitch. I dropped out part way into the major, but still got the bachelor's. Honestly I still think I could get by without most of what I learned there, pulling from my hobby experience.
@ I'm in my first year of software eng bachelor's rn and it's tough man, I thought first year would be easy but I guess that only applies to arts. I'm not switching to something useless tho if I can't handle it, I'm gonna become a tradesman or some shit, but that's really my last last resort.
These videos are fkn GOLD dude!
You’re a real one I’ve just learned about this major and in the back of my head I didn’t know what it was.👍
One of my friends from high school has an IR degree. With some very minor tweaks it's basically a pre law program.
That 77K degree? You could pay for a 4 year computing engineering degree in my country.... 20 times over
*77k for one year. *throws up*
great series!
My dreams are ruined after I did my degree. I thought I'd work for the UN or other NGOs and Embassies but didn't get hired at all. I'm lucky to be employed at McDonalds.
Damn, should i rethink IR?
@@teexcvyou should. Better learn some real useful stuff or prepare to be fucked up.
"Very flexible" - so not worth anything to anyone. All the best skills are in specific things and lead to the highest paying jobs.
I agree with everything Joshua said here. 100% Some ppl dont even get that, some degrees dont make sense at all. Education become the business, they are just selling you dream about the career. Personal traits more valuable today.
Pomona College is a private college out here in California! All their majors are high as fuck! Very expensive to attend that college!!
Great video. Thnx for sharing.
My god this reminds me of the time when I studied at university (I work in IT which the complete opposite of what I studied for - English philology). The funniest thing is only around 5% of the graduates work as teachers or translators and the rest do God knows what. Fun fact, many of the bachelors continued their studies and got a job as a university teacher, I guess the same thing goes for the international relations due to the nature of this placebo degree.
I mean..with english philology, what else can you do apart from translation and teaching/tutoring?
@@hecatrice2064 probably tourism sector
Those degrees are a college/university pyramid scheme at best tbh XD... Study to become the teacher, and the cycle continues...
"You were in a fake UN, not real one, you delusional dude" - this nailed it!
I have a bachelors in communication studies and I never once thought that it would lead to a direct job--so I made sure I had practical experience with other employers to close the gap. The degree helped me be successful--but it didn't help me get the employment. Most of my learning has come from outside of school by this point and information/knowledge is so much cheaper outside of the collegiate system than it is within the system.
Love it when Joshua is roasting my Bachelor's ahahah. And now I am trying to get into tech, imagine that! I graduated in 2019 and I haven't found a job related to my degree and most of my ex-classmates do a job that has nothing to do with international relations!
That degree is way too much money. Here in the UK, the maximum annual fee for any university is £9,250
I guess it depends. I graduated with an IR degree. I also did the degree as a full time student in Tokyo, Japan, and later moved to South Korea for work, and got to visit a dozen other Asian countries, and got into banking in Honolulu, Hawaii with my Japanese language skills primarily catering to Japanese clients visiting Hawaii and ultimately made my way into government where I currently work for a Senator. I've been able to pivot multiple times with my degree (civilian contractor, banker, legislative analyst) but I can see how someone who wants to just "learn about another culture" is wasting their time.
The key is: you speak Japanese. Strong foreign language skills are essential for any IR grad and are undertaught in the majority of programs.
@@I_Lemaire I put into it as much as I got out of it. People need to be able to master the subject they’re studying, not just earning a degree. If my goal was to work internationally with non-English speakers, it would make sense to grind at learning another language. It’s not much different from most US high school students taking 2-4 years of Spanish in high school and graduating barely being able to hold a conversation in Spanish. Because they’re doing it just to get a class out of the way, not to actually learn. Don’t get me wrong there are definitely some bogus degrees out there, but not every degree is worthless just because it isn’t IT. Just like anything else, to be one of the successful people you have to master what you’re doing.
@@dylankeith2833 My respect and admiration to you, Mr Keith.
I feel like most people get this degree without realizing the critical layer of extra work you have to do. I say this after having spent a lot of that time doing that extra work and it’s paying off. Getting my MA as we speak and getting ready to do some overseas volunteer work.
From my experience I consider it depends on how you want to focus your career. I have a bachelor's in IR and I'm from 🇲🇽 (debt free education) where we can either focus on the political and diplomatic branch, economics, customs and foreign trade, international law, etc. I do have to add that one cannot just keep the knowledge gotten at school, one has to study more, specialize, be updated and acquire experience like in any other field 😊 I love your vids Josh!😁❤
@Mounir Tachinardi Thank you very much for your advice ! I chose to study International Studies as a major in my Bachelor (my first semester is going to start this september) and I got a decent scholarship. But I am extremely worried about job opportunities in this field. I haven't even started studying yet and I already have anxiety. Initially, I chose to study International studies because it is broad and will give me the opportunity to know what subject interests me the most etc. But as you said, jobs are very limited in this field so I guess I will chose Business Administration as a minor. What do you think ? What do you advise me to chose as a minor and Master ? (My goal is to be able to work in International Trade or even do a Master in International Law for exemple. I'm open to all these possibilities).
PS: I already speak 3 languages fluently (French, English, Arabic) and plan on learning two more (Spanish and Hebrew)
All these ads are f'in vague.
It's a sign😂😭
They don't want to DO something, they want to BE something.
Good one 👌
Being something rather than doing something is the right approach. It is much better to be an innovator rather than simply someone who writes code.
Ah! I got that degree! You are right though. I end up getting jobs where I don't even need a degree.
Thank you very much for your advice ! I chose to study International Studies as a major in my Bachelor (my first semester is going to start this september) and I got a decent scholarship. But I am extremely worried about job opportunities in this field. I haven't even started studying yet and I already have anxiety. Initially, I chose to study International studies because it is broad and will give me the opportunity to know what subject interests me the most etc. But as you said, jobs are very limited in this field so I guess I will chose Business Administration as a minor. What do you think ? What do you advise me to chose as a minor and Master ? (My goal is to be able to work in International Trade or even do a Master in International Law for exemple. I'm open to all these possibilities).
I have the same degree and I can truly testify that it is useless... anything they taught me about how politics work is not even remotely true...politics today are total theatre and things are not decided by politicians at all, they are nothing more than public relations between us and the people who run the show.
Yeah, that second part about the world has been driving me crazy and mad for the last couple of years... I feel like I need to do something about it, but I have no idea *what* 😩
And at the same time I'm wasting my life...
Exactly which is covered in a lot of theories and perspectives relevant to a contemporary education in IR or political science. Although it's common that far from enough time at all is spent on these, or that students levy them as some variation of 'postmodernist scum' when in reality they give you exactly the tools and analyses to navigate the theatre.
we're in an age where even internships are promoting fake stuff
Pro tip: whenever a degree program claims to be "interdisciplinary" that program is a scam. To be interdisciplinary means you have to have an expert in multiple fields working on the same problem. You cannot be an expert in multiple fields with one degree and lacking years of work in both fields.
@Joshua Landry: Having a Master’s degree in Interdisciplinary Studies with a concentration in Government myself, I can say that this degree is not designed to make you an expert in all the fields. It just gives you a higher level of expertise and education added to what your Bachelor’s degree was in. In my case, my Master’s degree, to be honest, is a joke. However, it gives me $3,000 dollars more a year at my job just for having it. That means that I’ve made over $60,000 dollars extra for doing jack shit while almost no co-worker of mine ever gets this bonus.
Agreed. Similar to IR I graduated with a degree in Political Science and before you start laughing - I did use it and it did help me some while I was going and doing internships in government, being on the Hill but I could’ve easily done those things if I decided to get a Business degree or study Communications or PR. I’ve mentored undergrads before and something I’d tell them in a nice way is that they are fully capable of getting the exposure to the things they want without throwing themselves into only one field of study particularly one that is a lot studying political theory. I’d argue an MPA or MPP are more useful and again you don’t need to have studied Public Policy to get into those programs or even intern at the UN or NGO’s. I’d pick Economics as an excellent alternative to IR.
Thank you very much for your advice ! I live in Morocco where there is only one university based on the american system that offers degrees in IS/IR. I chose to study International Studies as a major in my Bachelor (my first semester is going to start this september) and I got a decent scholarship. But I am extremely worried about job opportunities in this field. I haven't even started studying yet and I already have anxiety. Initially, I chose to study International studies because it is broad and will give me the opportunity to know what subject interests me the most etc. But as you said, jobs are very limited in this field so I guess I will choose Business Administration as a minor. What do you think ? What do you advise me to chose as a minor and Master ? (My goal is to be able to work in International Trade or even do a Master in International Law for exemple. I'm open to all these possibilities).
PS: I already speak 3 languages fluently (French, English, Arabic) and plan on learning two more (Spanish and Hebrew)
Excellent work Mr. Fluke
I got an advert for Masters & PhD in International Relations before and after this video ..... bruh moment
to be fair, I studied law at the university of St. Gallen (where the last dude studied) and everybody that studied international relations there that I know where employed right after graduation and making 100k+... BUT it‘s in Switzerland and the university is one of the most prestigious in the country, btw studying there costs 1.5k a semester, gotta love subsidized education
I stop reading when you said switzerland. I also study law.
would love to see your take on BA in the Graphic design space. my nieve ass fell for Art Institutes scam back in my 20s
Anything for a degree in art can be defeated easily with 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder'. Why do you need someone elses approval lol
At first it was my dream to work in International Relations but I realized that wasn't gonna be the case so now I'm deciding between international business or computer science. Great vid!
Get computer science.
We dont respect the autodidact and the polymath enough, who might be divorced from an institution.
Read some philosophy, lift some weights, clean your room, maybe take someone special out for some ice cream.
Modern people have no respect for real knowledge, because it tells them that the modern world is regressive in basically every way except technologically. Just like in Brave New World, people care more about happiness and a sense of security than truth and beauty.
Great comment, and nice vocabulary!
I love philosophy it’s so interesting
@@renegade1807 thanks. Words are like clothes - only wear the right ones for the right situation. Figure out a style, and you can wear the right ones without looking like a dork.
@@hans8025 same, who are you reading rn
This sounds like a degree for Sorority girls.
Nah I would say sorority girls go for communications. All the IR majors I knew were very career oriented and got internships on the hill but this is because I live in the DC area.
@@Gabster1990 Curious, how much do these people make?
Going with that just woke up hair style, nice. Lol. Love your videos man.
I am 30 years removed from college. Had successful career and just retired before 50years old. In all the classes I took in 4 years of college, only about a semester worth of classes had any real value to me. The schools use the term “rounded, diverse” to justify keeping you in school and spending insane amounts of money to get something that will have little or no value in you having a successful career. I did take course and other learning session after college but they were short or focuses and only on what I need to get better at what I need. Current system of higher education is broken and doing more harm than good now.
I am a millennial who was sold a dream. Graduated into the Great Recession. Lost the house I grew up in. Im the only person in my whole family to earn a bachelor's so my mom who pounded college in my head since I was in diapers didn't know what to do after that. I had to figure out everything on my own with no guidance. So many questions I didn't even have enough information to think to ask.
Today I'm starting over at the age of almost 34 because I'm tired of living paycheck to paycheck when all my college friends are in the upper 5 figure to 6 figure range. It's so hard. If I ever have kids they literally aren't allowed to go to a university. Pick a trade unless you want to be a doctor.
I'm almost 100 percent certain that Game Design is going to be roasted next.
I've seen enough BS firsthand, and I don't even think my experience was bad. My GD degree was basically a full CS degree with only about 1 class that actually taught anything about design and 2 hands-off classes for programming a game (basically an excuse for the college to charge us money to produce work we had no rights to that they will never use. Why? They charge us high tuition for a million wasteful things including putting a full adobe suit on every laptop. It would be far to sensible to allow us to save money by lowering tuition so we have the money to buy only what we needed for the artists, thus letting them maintain rights to their work.). At least I was able to double major into Applied Math & CS with a few extra math courses. I can only imagine how BS some of those programs can be elsewhere.
Uhhh, it will be hot topic :)
@@Keeki95 I heard somewhere that if you want to get into game design you should not get a game design degree. Study art, or study graphic design. Those will get you into that field. I saw while I was studying at Miami Dade College that they were building a whole part of of a new building specifically for game design. When I graduated a few years later I asked a friend of mine that studied something art related. He said that was a huge waste of money and time for anyone who picked that degree. Schools are literal businesses now. Rather than help students and prepare them for their futures. They convince them to take useless degrees just to collect FAFSA and money from them. Smh
@@michi0921193 I'm just going to make games and learn as I go.
can you do one of these but like for computer science? I'm kinda curious how these more hard skills majors are marketed having watched these videos.
The problem is education has become like any other consumer product or employment training which you pay for instead of the employer.
Young men and women, I graduated with a double major in political science and international relations back in 2012. Right in the middle of the Great Recession! It led me to teach abroad in Asia where I met my wife. I don't regret teaching and traveling through my twenties, but my bank account does. Get a job based on the type of lifestyle you want and save that money! Or, be a frugal nomad and make that cash in your thirties.
and others. Don't mean to discriminate. Don't mind me, i'm just a boomer.
My recommendation if you want to study international relations is to add it on to your major as either a minor or a double major. On its own Intl Relations isn't very useful but it's a good supplement for other majors
And what would you do as a Bachelor's degree?
@@leif_____8579 Econ, Finance, or business fields in general could be a good compliment to intl relations in my opinion. Along with that I'd recommend learning a critical language to really make the intl affairs classes worth it
Thank you very much for your advice ! I chose to study International Studies as a major in my Bachelor (my first semester is going to start this september) and I got a decent scholarship. But I am extremely worried about job opportunities in this field. I haven't even started studying yet and I already have anxiety. Initially, I chose to study International studies because it is broad and will give me the opportunity to know what subject interests me the most etc. But as you said, jobs are very limited in this field so I guess I will chose Business Administration as a minor. What do you think ? What do you advise me to chose as a minor and Master ? (My goal is to be able to work in International Trade or even do a Master in International Law for exemple. I'm open to all these possibilities).
PS: I already speak 3 languages fluently (French, English, Arabic) and plan on learning two more (Spanish and Hebrew)
It's less about your degree and more about other things you do outside of classes, like internships, research projects, volunteer work, and student leadership positions. I'm a political science major and economics minor, and I'm doing an internship in social media marketing, which isn't exactly related to my major, but it's still experience and has helped more than having a high GPA. Someone with a less applicable degree, like anthropology or history, with at least 1 year of internship experience will be looked at better than someone with an in demand degree and no experience.
You have a very good understanding how to interpret all the double speak.
With that course fee, in my country you could buy a house, a car, get a worldwide recognized degree and still have remaining money for a wedding 😂
Speaking as someone who is knowledgeable about international relations is that it is an absolutely brutal field that requires one to become very cold blooded.
Joshua, I would love to hear your opinion about Supply Chain Management degrees or any type of degrees that involve logistics.
I will research sir
I think this could be a great series of videos🤠
I graduated in international relations and I always say it's useless and I wasted my life (some of my colleagues will swear by it for some reason). You learn a little bit about of bunch of stuff but you don't learn a lot about anything. Everytime I think about my 4 wasted years I just wish I could go back on time hahahaha so sad!!!!
Same, I almost want to go back to get a different bachelors but I’m SOL.
I hear you :(``
When I was 16 ,I was so adamant about getting a political science degree and work in the UN but thank god when I turned 18 I changed my mind and got a Finance degree
@@notsomuchhere1387 I chose IR to work with the UN too, wish I were smart enough to switch to Finance or something :/
I feel these stories of yours are more anecdotal then facts though and Maybe in your countries this is like that but lots of people who end up being diplomats have to study in this field Maybe only at the master level
Lol I feel like the American International Relations degree might be bad. However the ones in Europe guarantee you jobs like being a diplomat etc.
No they don't, in Europe, anyone with any degree can be a diplomat
@@hugosantos9081 Sure anyone can apply to be diplomat independently of their degree, but they wont be accepted...International Relations and Law are probably the best two fields to be a diplomat.
I honestly feel like doing any degree or getting into uni/college is a complete waste of money especially if you’re ridden with debt afterwards. It’s worth it either if you land a scholarship so you basically cover most of the costs and fees, get a placement at a top-tier/highly-ranked university (ivy leagues, loxbridge) which you can connect with certain influential people, and maybe you’re really committed and passionate in a certain major that could be of use for your future career. If you’re getting into uni just for the sake of it, then you’re just wasting your time imo.
I'm loving this videos, it makes my day :)
Love it! People think "international relations" will help them to work in the US embassy, lol! Wanna work in the embassy? You better have that nice connection.
Problem is they ah e to compete with mbas or economists or software engineers for the roles they want and unless they go to a top school they will find it tough to compete
5:32 ... At this university it offers alot of study abroad programs that are typically available only to international relation students or cultural studies students.. There are also alot of cultural clubs and competitions hosted by embassies and foreign language learning clubs ._.
It's to say you learned at the right place so they assume you learned the stuff they want you to know. But you get to say ,'I'm passionate about making a difference.'