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very happy to be living in Europe - paid about 40 USD for the Elton John concert in Italy last year. Nosebleed seats for sure, but at that price - who cares.
One of the main reason tickets are so expensive is that it's the way artists earn money now. Since all music is available for free (or basically free) via UA-cam, Spotify (etc), artists don't earn royalties like they used to. Merch and tickets are the income stream. I agree that the buying process has become insane, especially for big names like Swift, Beyonce, etc. The artists are not to blame for this, of course. It is what it is. And, FYI, people have always acted a fool at shows--at least since I started going in the late 80's. They are drunk, high and having fun. Fun is different things to different people. It can be extremely irritating.
Something I’ve noticed a lot lately has been really poor concert etiquette during openers! Even if you aren’t interested in an opening act, there’s always been an understanding that performers are to be respected in venues! At least don’t be on your phone and ignore the act if you’re in the front rows!
GREAT point, i don’t understand how people can be so rude!! i’ve seen so many openers that i didn’t know but came out really liking, it can be such a good intro to a new band
THIS!!! This happened at a Bright Eyes show I went to last year and I could barely hear the opener because people were talking over his entire set. He was playing mostly acoustic jams too and I just felt so bad.
YES. I saw one girl saying it’s not rude to play on your phone and be uninterested. Like girl yes it is. Everyone ripped her to shreds because of the level of disrespect
the lack of support for openers always bothers me. I'm always excited to hear them and try to pay attention and hype them up, because even if the music isn't my thing, that doesn't mean I want them to feel discouraged. Also, sometimes you find your new favorite band through openers! I would never have gotten in to Portugal. the Man if i didn't see them absolutely rock while opening for Alt-J.
one of the aspects of “new” concert behaviour that tends to give me anxiety when going to shows is how comfortable people are with filming others and putting them online (esp. on tiktok) 😭 as a plus sized woman with a limited, mostly plain black wardrobe, being filmed and put in a video that’s meant to “analyse how x city dressed for a show” (which i have seen done for beyoncé’s renaissance tour, and where people in the comment section are incredibly uhhh.. “generous” in sharing their fashion criticism) is literally one of my biggest fears
Recording strangers without consent is one of the WORST consequences of social media culture. It should notttttt be normalized!! Obviously life sucked in other ways before smartphones, but at least you could do stuff in public without having to fear being seen by millions of people on the internet. Kurtis Conner just made a video about this topic actually.
@@PhantomMagician1846 fr though its like, ur gonna record it and then just never watch it again, and there's something about recording your experiences that actually make them less memorable and more forgettable, because your just focusing so much on getting good footage and possibly even just watching the concert through the camera instead of just enjoying it and watching the concert with ur bare eyes 😂😂
When i go to a concert I want to see the musicians and not someone else's Smartphone display in front of me. It's terribly annoying to get blinded by the light all the time.
Honestly, I’m getting really tired of people using lockdown and quarantine as one of the reasons for people’s horrible behavior. You’d think that we were in quarantine for like 50 years under some gigantic Simpsons dome when the pandemic was at its strictest for like, two years. Being socially delayed for 2 years doesn’t mean people need to become a public menace for all time. 😒
also like, kids maybe (thought it’s really parents using it as an excuse), but adults??? How can you turn socially inept just because you stayed at home a long time?
I was hanging out with this girl who was trying to buy tickets to the eras tour movie, and she was really nervous about not getting opening day tickets. When I talked to her later she told me she had been able to get the tickets, but she “had” to sit in a handicapped seat. This girl isn’t disabled. I was so appalled that she would be that entitled. What if a disabled person had wanted to go? It didn’t even occur to her that what she was doing was wrong.
@@DiMagnoliathis is one of the reasons I really don’t like going to concerts. My disability prevents me from standing up for more than 10-15 mins before I begin to feel pain. But in most concerts, literally EVERYONE stands up the entire time and when able bodied people purchase handicapped seats (like the girl the original commenter was talking about). It means I have to sit in a regular seat where I can’t see anything because everyone is standing. I get it, you’re excited to see you’re favourite artist but I paid for this SEAT. I want to SIT in it. If I wanted to stand (and if I literally could stand), I would have gotten seats in the mosh pit.
@@Shay416 kinda….venues are required to have to have a certain number of handicapped seats but I believe the rule is these are only %1 all seats (i.e. if a venue had 100 seats, then only 1 would be for people with disabilities). The problems are that 1) a lot of times they are in very inconvenient places, 2) obviously, there aren’t that many of them, and 3) (in the case or the original comment) people without disabilities will buy those seats without thinking of those who actually need them, leaving disabled people to have to find a regular seat. If that’s the case, it’s not about the venue catering to my needs, it’s about the other people who are at the concert. I can’t stop hundreds of people from standing during a concert just because I can’t. (EDIT: I’m not trying to imply that everyone at a concert should cater to my needs, that would be ridiculous lol. I’m glad that some people enjoy standing and dancing during concerts and having a good time seeing their favourite artist or band. It’s just that it’s something I personally _can’t_ do.)
Lately I’ve been feeling like music is just another thing that belongs to the wealthy. It’s extremely disheartening as a musician to contend with the fact that i probably wouldn’t be able to afford tickets to my own hypothetical shows lmfao
I was going to say, I wonder what portion of the concert etiquette issue is correlated with the fact that only rich people can afford concerts these days.
I think it depends? I drove eight hours and saw my favorite artist for $25 tickets. And everyone there was super sweet and excited to be there, without being disruptive. It's also the only concert I've been to, though, so I understand if it's an abnormality.
THIS. Any school kid had a chance of seeing the Beatles. Now, full adults with solid income struggle to get into some shows, let alone anyone else. Music is for everyone, not just corporations and fans be damned.
See I really disagree because I love music and supporting indie artists and living in the United States I’ve never had any issues finding affordable tickets to see my faves. Indie artists usually charge well under $100 for example when I saw Julien Baker (1/3 of boygenius) her pit tickets cost me $41.25 base price about $30 plus fees. I just got tickets to see boygenius adding the star capital of Lucy Ducus and Phoebe Bridgers so that cost me $130.10 not sure what the base price was but I’m guess around $115. I think (and hope) Julien Baker is doing just fine as a solo artist. Now if I wanted to see Adele for her Las Vegas residency the prices start around $600+ it’s upsurd. As a music fan, your indie artists will always be more accessible than mega music stars. And maybe in another 20 years, Adele ticket prices go down because she won’t be in a residency and maybe has faded more.
For Bad Bunny's recent tour in Puerto Rico he did multiple things right in the sales that more should follow, I think. He sold the tickets only in person, which makes it inaccessible to everyone but also guarantees that only locals can go to the show- which is a huge problem we've had before. He also prohibited resales and limited tickets per person. The first day of the concert he had multiple livestreams going- 3 official 'viewing centers' which were packed and 100% free, as well as multiple unofficial ones too and livestreaming on a cable network. So really everyone had a chance to enjoy the concert and I think more artists should take ideas from him.
I like some of these ideas. Though I would like to bring awareness to the fact that only in-person selling might make the concert inaccessible to disabled people.
@@amara560Right. Maybe 1/2 sold online and 1/2 IRL so people still have a chance if they can’t be there in person due to accessibility restrictions, work, etc
The viewing center thing would be so cool in the US. Just like sports in bars, but with bigger screens. I’d pay a cover fee if it was under $50, I hate huge venues and the competition of buying tickets for concerts.
Yeah I don’t know about in person buying. I live in Northern Ireland and big artists never come here, so I usually have to go to England to see a show. I’m going over twice in the next year. But I do agree that something needs done for sure!
I feel like the online culture of toxic stans/fandoms overgrowing and flourishing throughout the pandemic is a significant reason as to why general concert behavior has deteriorated. People get emboldened when they’re not held accountable for their toxic behavior online and it makes them think that that type of bad/entitled behavior is tolerated in public spaces.
This. Literally this. Also, I'm a firm believer that fans didn't suddenly "turn" toxic. The pandemic, isolation and further exposure to social media made them show their true colours. People were already entitled, selfish and just plain rude, but when they found people like them online (especially during the internet era of "I don't owe anyone anything, it's me first ALWAYS and it's not being narcissistic if I call it sELf CaRe") who shared their views, they became sure that they were right bc they found a bigger crowd
@NicoleNtola I 100% agree!! I also think we have to hold accountable the large advertising and media giants that have & continue to cultivate & encourage the type of parasocial relationship between consumers & characters and public celebrity personas that contributes to a lot of this toxic fandom-type behaviour. [*Edited for clarity]
@@pleothoria2527 Yes! Social media has to be more responsible when it comes to celebrities because you can be immediately replied to by the celeb/artist/famous person. We need to bring back internet safety classes and start teaching children how to be safe. Every level of education should have internet safety as a mandatory class, but it's easier to get children to listen and if they are instilled at a young age they'll carry that into adulthood. I still never put my real name or face online with the exception of TikTok but I never use the same username for anything.
Stan culture has gotten completely out of control - people feel almost obligated to behave completely unhinged as a necessary demonstration of their “passion” and it’s been casually tolerated in niche spaces (online fan boards, meet-ups) so of course people feel free to drag that crap out into mainstream public spaces
Oh I would love to recline in a movie theater seat, with outside food snuck in to watch the screen I would be watching if I was at the actual concert 😂 for 20 bucks so many more people would have access
Agree. And what seals the deal for me is that the majority of people at these huge concerts aren't going to be able to see the stage and have to watch on screens anyways. If you can't afford a good seat at the live concert it gives you an affordable alternative to overpaying for shitty seats and travel expenses. Also doing concert viewing parties at theaters sounds so fun! Especially theaters that have liquor licenses. now if only that wasn't so damn expensive lol.
Camping for concerts has also become out of hand. Before, you could get barricade if you showed up three hours before. Now people are camping for DAYS, sometimes even a WEEK for artists like Harry Styles or K-Pop Groups. It’s not only unsafe, it’s also disruptive and just unnecessary to go through.
Yes! And it really depends on the artist. I actually went to a farewell tour for a band I love that broke up, showed up an hour before doors open and was literally in the front row. I went to see Dreamcatcher and showed up three hours early, was in the second half of the line (it was also over 90 degrees f out) and people had been camping out since the night before at the front. They seriously shouldn't be allowed to do that, for their own safety and for the sake of the venue and other fans. We were so far in the back that sometimes I could only see the group through someone's phone screen.
Yes I’m used to showing up maybe a few hours early to get close but fuck lately the last 2 concerts those people must’ve been there a long time, now my friend and I are wondering if we should get there like hours earlier
Seriously - I went to Day6 in Berlin (actually pre-pandemic) and a girl fainted next to me mid-concert bc she'd been in line for so long before without eating, drinking or dressing warmly enough... It's really not safe to be in line for hours, especially if you don't plan properly, and it's obviously not worth it if you end up fainting and missing half the show !!
This has gotten so out of hand that I saw last week someone showed up to wait outside WALMART at 7:30 PM the night before Joe Jonas was coming to meet people for an hour!! from 1-2 PM to promote his new alcoholic beverage
something i’ve noticed with some younger fans is that they’ll barely engage with the concert. they’ll be texting the whole time, talking about random stuff, take selfies etc. i went to mcr and got weird looks for singing along and dancing, i was so confused, esp since it was a rock show.
I went to an MCR show too, and I noticed that the millennial crowd were so much more energetic and engaged than the fans around my age (I'm a teenager). They would be singing, standing, swaying, dancing... The people around my age were sitting, not singing, not moving, on their phones during the opener's set AND mcr 's... I felt like I was being judged by them for actually having fun.
Us MCR fans from Europe were making fun of US shows when gerard had to tell them to move their hands up and down. In EU people were singing along at every show, I know at mine everybody was!
In France we can't resell concert tickets for a higher price and it works pretty well. Ticketmaster resell site does comply with the legislation as well
Also we didn't have dynamic pricing for the eras tour and the most expensive ticket (except for VIPs) was 250€ which is expensive but nothing compared to the US prices
@@elise8559 at that rate it would be cheaper to fly to France, get a nosebleeds taylor swift ticket then fly back than get a good seat in the US cuz I think tickets for eras were easily 1k+
@@elise8559 For some reason Mexico prices are wildly inflated too: A radio commenter recently made the calculation that it was cheaper to fly to the UK, paperwork included, pay for the hotel and see Blackpink in the UK, than to pay for front row tickets for Blackpink in Mexico
@@missstorrm yea I believe so as well!! I know that for Harry's love on tour we had what Ticketmaster called "platinium tickets" which I believe is pretty similar to dynamic pricing :(((((( But Ticketmaster should definitely be investigated in regards to EU competition law
It’s weird b/c I’m gen z & going to concerts was always on my bucket list when I was younger. Now, it’s damn near impossible. The cost of 2-3mos rent for tickets to still only be able to view them on a LARGE SCREEN(just like you can at home) is asinine. Not too mention the trampeding affect becoming the norm since the astroworld fatalities. Concerts are basically now for the aesthetic-not the music. Ppl are literally going brok or in deep debt to get the perfect outfit, perfect pics etc. concert culture will die soon just like club culture b/c once again….social/media/tech/cell phones ruined it!!!
I don't mean to be rude, but maybe you need to expand perhaps not only your music taste, but your idea of what a concert needs to be like. If you are finding the mainstream, large, and very expensive concerts unappealing, perhaps a small venue, which concerts typically range from $15-50, would be more your speed. So many amazing musicians play smaller gigs all the time. I have plenty of gripes with scalpers and ticketmaster, but you don't have to deal with that for smaller shows, or even festivals. I've even been given tickets to really cool things because they weren't sold out and someone didn't want the ticket to go to waste. So just saying... not sure which artists are supposedly charging people 2-3 months rent to see them live, but that's atrocious, and certainly not the norm.
I'm also gen z... I'm going to assume you live in the US based on the ticket prices but as someone who lives in the UK that is not normal 😭 I'm going to a concert next month and for 2 people our tickets were £40, like the other commenter said, maybe try seeing smaller artists and trying new things, even going to small venues is such a wonderful experience, I've had the best times at small gigs
aw bb there is hope, go to local music, go to festivals, go to artists that aren't in the top 40. There are definitely still good concert experiences out there. I live in Alaska and just went to Sacred Acre, a phenomenal EDM fest we have here, I know they have plenty of similar fests in the lower US. For concerts find whatever city is in driving/bus distance from you, it will have local music scenes at smaller venues, go to some shows, see if you like anyone. Your closest city will also have larger concert venues, look to see who will be playing throughout the year, find artists in genres you like and listen to see if you like anyone. And there's good experiences for bigger artists too, like my friend happened to be in Seattle when Rico Nasty was playing a few months ago and got to see her and said it was great! She also found an underground rave! I was sooo jealous 😭Don't lose hope.
I do think it's worse, it's like people forgot how to behave outside. Even going to the movies, people will NOT S T F U. I have to CONSTANTLY shush both adults and teenagers having full blown conversations at normal voice volume in the middle of an effing movie. This had NEVER happened to me before the pandemic, and now it's a constant every time I go see a movie.
It didn’t just happen overnight - before the pandemic I saw 50+ movies a year and I can speak of countless experiences of ringing phones and other noise, fanboying, fucking VAPING… I’d blame it on the Barca lounger multiplexes making people feel too comfortable but I’ve even seen people treat art houses like their living rooms
This is nothing new. Even 20 years ago theaters would have PSA videos about not talking, silencing your cell phone, etc during the previews. It's just confirmation bias because people talk about it on social media all the time, so when we see it in real life, we notice it more.
my bf and i were sitting behind an elderly couple at the movies recently and they talked through the whole thing. they were also hard of hearing so they were talking loudly as they couldn't hear each other, or the movie. my bf and i were both asking them to quiet down and so was some other man, and they couldn't really hear us either. ridiculous lol
I think that Boygenius is such an interesting band to be involved in this, solely because of the fans. I went to one of their gigs and at this particular one the band had a native hold a land acknowledgment. The crowd would not stop cheering as he detailed stories of horrific colonization, and he was obviously very uncomfortable with the response. It was a really cool thing for them to do, but unfortunately wasn’t given as much attention as it should have. There were also fans who screamed 5+ times, "LUCY, take my flag!!" and she would glance over at them and obviously ignore it. In my opinion the combination of TikTok echo chambers and niche communities really lends itself to turn into this monster of a crowd. Everyone ends up thinking that because they’re in this group that their behavior is excusable, whether it be of how big of a fan they’re trying to be, or what TikTok told them was okay, or trying to garner similar attention that they saw someone else get popular for.
I was super worried about shitty fan behavior at the Boygenius show I went to, and was shocked at how polite people ended up being. The crowd was silent and respectful during the land acknowledgement and had a standing ovation when he finished. Very little weird fan behavior during the show, too. I saw Phoebe Bridgers the year before and... Gotta say, I don't think I'll ever see her again live. The fans were insane and exactly what you described. My favorite part of the BG concert is the sheer lack of self awareness during Bite the Hand. Every single person at barricade is *exactly* who the song is about. Absolute nightmare people.
Shows feel like they're being treated as clout generation by a larger subsection of fans recently. Makes it really hard to enjoy a show when I'm on the rail and a girl squad mobs around me to do selfies. I know it's all the way upfront but if you're gonna crowd me that hard, can you at least enjoy the show?
Honestly this reminds me of how some fandoms engage with their particular mediums. I was super into homestuck as a teen and horrible toxic fan behavior was excused as “omg homestuck sucks and we’re all so quirky 😵💫😝” truly reminiscent of the lacking boundaries between celebrities and their fans as well as kpop artists and other musicians. Hopefully something changes cause this isn’t it :/
I went to a Phoebe concert last year, and the fans were insane! The parasocial relationship was out of control. She is one of my fave artists, but I honestly don't want to go to another show if it's going to be like that. They were so obsessive with her. It was really off putting and sad because she was great, but I don't want to see her or boygenius if it's going to be like that
i was at the london boygenius gig. one person insisted shoved me back so that their three late friends could take my place and then accused me (queer) of being homophobic for protesting, and threatened to knock me out. the other people were lovely but i have definitely noticed the huge rise in entitlement - i suspect that they are emboldened by online echochambers
I'm so sorry that sounds awful! I was at the same gig and had plenty of polite people around my friends and I, the only issues was someone with egregious B.O. It is wild how different parts of the crowd could be so different
oh I had the worst experience at boygenius in london!!! I mainly went to see ethel but got so overwhelmed and overstimulated due to the endless talking i left after hayden's set- was so sad to miss muna and boygenius
the amount of people who filmed their own reactions the entire Eras tour show was CTAZY. a girl in front of me made her friend take pictures of her during every song. it was wild and kind of upsetting
thankfully i didn't experience any terrible fans at the eras tour. the only weird thing was that taylor swift does "surprise songs" during the show and the girl next to me didn't get the surprise songs she wanted and she was pouting and upset the rest of the show. she was loudly complaining about it during the surprise songs and after and then left the concert early. very strange.
this whole culture of "winning" and "losing" shows based on small occurrences like surprise songs is soooo weird to me. Can people not just be happy about the theoretically once in a lifetime show happening in front of them? It's like if they don't get a clip to make their TikTok go viral, it was a waste of a night
At a John Mayer show, a guy on a date behind me asked me why I would ever go to a concert alone. John closed with “Gravity” (before encores) and the guy tells his girl, “I hate this song. Let’s go” and they left. He answered his own question - as to why I go alone. 😒
This is indeed weird behavior. There are literally like 42 other songs on the setlist - there's no way you attended just to potentially see "good" surprise songs.
That's definitely uncalled for, but I notice there are people online who have that same behavior and put waaaay to much weight on the surprise song section. I love it, but you cannot be guaranteed to get one that you like. Everyone around me at my eras tour showing were really great as well and not 🦅
I was at The Weeknd's concert this summer and, honestly, the main reason I tried to push as near to the stage as possible was because EVERYONE had their huge smartphones up and recording. I was a few rows away from the stage yet I watched almost half of the concert through other people's phones or trying to position my head so I could see between the screens. I was a few meters away from the barricade yet all I could see were screens. I'll never forget when in the middle of the concert the lights went off (it was a minute-long pause) and everyone put their phones down. I realized I could see the stage perfectly and that I was indeed very close to it. And I thought to myself "wow we could all have a great experience if the phones were down". Of course I took a few short videos myself, but altogether they're about 6 minutes long. Meanwhile some people recorded each and every song. They didn't even sing or jump, just had their phones in the air. I would never want to experience a concert solely through my phone screen.
Floor seats suck everyone’s pushing and jamming their huge phones in the way to record. Concert experience get ruined when everyone started having cameras in their pocket Wish I was six feet but being a short girl sucks ass when other girls have their huge boyfriends recording the entire time and they dance with their hands in your face with their phone too.
honestly i understand filming a concert bc a lot of us can only go to one and i have an awful memory and love to rewatch my videos but put ur phone the same level as ur head and then everybody else behind u can see better aswell, i had the same experience at harry styles but i had no choice but to put my phone up higher like everyone else’s so i could atleast see harry through my screen😭
@@jinjinjiniya 😒 so you were also actively blocking everyone’s view? My memory sucks too but I’m not about to be that person at the concert I’m going to soon. Grow up
A few years ago, Nine Inch Nails went on tour and only sold tickets at the venue. No online sales, you had to line up to get them. It sounded like a great solution but ended up being such a mess. In my city, it was 90 degrees with no shade around the venue. A few people needed medical attention. Because the theater wasn't used to this kind of sales, they didn't have the staff in the box office that was needed for that many people, making it take much longer than expected. Plus anyone who couldn't dedicate an entire day to it just didn't get to participate - I was privileged enough to be able to schedule my work hours that day and still almost didn't make my closing shift at 5 pm (I'd been in line since 6 am). So it still discriminates against disabled and low income people, just in a more physical way instead of purely monetary.
@@anniemouse1739 yeah I’m disabled and chronically ill, I would literally die if I tried to do that. To be fair that’s also why I just don’t attend concerts in general, they’re not accessible on top of the pricing and ticket buying nightmare
Also, the problem with this is that you need to live near the venue. I live in the rural North of Ireland, 4 hours away from Dublin where most concerts are and 3 hours from Belfast, with no record shops anywhere nearby. If it wasn’t for online tickets, I wouldn’t be able to go to ANYTHING at all, and only people with regular and easy access to cities would be able to go.
That sounds bad but we used to line up at record stores in the mid to late 90's. I don't recall any issues and it usually went pretty quickly. Maybe 2 hours at the most. But usually about an hour if I recall correctly. We also got them at other Ticketmaster locations or we could call Ticketmaster and get tickets.
At least metal fans haven’t completely lost their minds yet with entitlement at shows. I’ve been to 5 shows since lockdown ended and all of them everyone was super nice and everyone still knew how to act. I even brought my service dog to a few of them (the ones I didn’t buy pit tickets for) and everyone was super respectful with her and all the parents corrected their kids after they tried to distract her. One of them an artist called a fan up on stage and everyone helped her up and cheered for her being able to have that opportunity.
The metal concerts I've been to tend to be quite small and I've spotted the same people at different concerts which is nice (and I've met band members without needing to devote money or time). Also just general rules about how to act (moshpits etc) is something I particularly like there. But, regardless of genre there will always be silly people. I'm just glad metal hasn't reached a point where you hear the fans more than the artist but it is always nice to have fans of an obscure band know their songs word for word :)
went to an ice nine kills concert a few weeks ago and tons of people had phones up the whole time blocking the stage view… even had a lady slowly push me out of my small gap i could see through so she could record the whole thing…
I once saw Ozzy Osbourne in the 2010s and it’s not like the US where to us are semiregular. people don’t come to Australia that often. But the concert so disgruntled because it was like no one cared that someone was performing Ozzy fucking Osbourne. I left the concert pretty disgruntled. A lot of people were just chatting throughout the concert you could hear this low murmur and people were just getting drinks all night which is fucking annoying.
I recently went to my 1st metal concert (Poppy!) and honestly it was super fun! Everyone was screaming applauding and hyping up the opening act (who honestly did a fantastic job, she definitely earned my support). The only thing I didn’t like was the mosh pit as it was completely unexpected and most people around weren’t prepared for the mosh pit (we got pushed, trampled and hit…not fun when I’m just trying to enjoy the music). Thankfully there were a few people that were experienced and showed us how to act as a barrier and we all had a great time. Abt phones, everyone was put except for the people who paid extra for balcony seats. Everyone was pretty close to the stage and honestly I found looking at peoples phones pretty helpful as some performers got down on the stage putting on a great performance (but I could t see haha). For me phones never blocked the view and instead offered me a better view of thing s I wasn’t able to see! Also the sound was so loud so although I and others there were screaming no the lyrics I was able to hear the performers fine (I was barely able to hear myself screaming on the few videos I took lol)
@@hentcai *most metal bands. Anything with commercial success there’s a big chance there’s gonna be issues. Ik after pierce the veil got popular on TikTok a bunch of super disrespectful people showed up. 9 times out of 10 tho, metal fans are gonna be super kind and respectful. There’s unwritten rules at metal shows because of pits and things like that, they make sure nobody gets hurts and everyone is supported.
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I love going to smaller shows. For a fraction of the big show's price you can go to the concert, listen to the music and then even chat with the band. And people don't care how much you scream because everyone's there to have a good time (I go to mostly metal/rock/punk shows and screaming is required lmao)
I sadly don't really get groups that play music that I like locally. The last time I saw a guy at a local show he'd come from Chicago and only played music from the 50s and Jason Mraz. I like metal and stuff like that, so I go to shows expecting to be roughed up a bit, but to the point where the show isn't enjoyable.
I wa a able to see an amazing group, The Midnight, for like $45 in a city near where I live and we were so close to the band and everyone was so chill/enjoying the concert. I loved it. Definitely worth supporting smaller groups.
I went to a Waterparks show a few months ago, and the crowd was unbearable. They were screaming at the singer, throwing money at him when he told them to stop, and throwing things like bracelets onstage- the guitarist nearly slipped on one. They also kept making lewd comments about the band and screaming them out, and there was absolutely ZERO crowd etiquette. Totally ruined the experience that we spent all day traveling for :(
That fucking sucks ass!!! I'm a massive fan of Waterparks and I even wouldn't have done it, and I saw them twice! I hate that there are fans like this that ruin experiences for people who just want to have a good time! Hoping you can see them again to get a better experience!
I went to a parx show too, and while the crowd at mine wasn't that obnoxiously disrespectful, the people in the section I was in were hardly paying attention to the openers or even parx themselves. They were sitting, staring blankly at the stage or straight up on their phones. I understand checking your phone or taking videos, but that's not what it was. My friend and I were the only people standing, and it felt like people were judging us for it. The people in the standing areas (most of the venue) seemed great, and they were lovely to the openers from what I saw, but my section was probably one of the worst crowds I've been in.
When I saw Blackpink at Hyde Park in London it was all standing. 3 dads a few rows in front of us had their sign-holding kids on their shoulders the whole time which created a wall so nobody behind them could see the stage. They just ignored anyone who asked them if they could put their kids down for a bit so we could see. Also, BTS occasionally stream their concerts in cinemas and it's a great time. The tickets cost a bit more than the average cinema ticket but everyone treats it like a real concert and it's so much fun! More artists should do it!
BTS also does liveplay concerts a lot too, where it’s basically overflow seating in a nearby arena with big screens showing the concert. I’ve heard those are a lot of fun, since it feels as close to an in-person performance as possible-you get to be surrounded by other fans in an actual concert venue, and know that it’s happening in real time.
I was immediately thinking about the bts livestream cinema viewings. But i gotta say - even inside the movie theatre i had to deal with people who were the screaming the ENTIRE TIME. of course it was quite the chill experience and they seemed to be lovely people otherwise but god - both concert etiquette and apparently cinema etiquette are just lost on some people … it’s quite sad
@@NatalieMarie917i would love if more artists did this. I’ve seen many tiktoks of people being able to listen to harry styles gigs from their homes or even looking into the arena taylor was playing from above from their high-storey hotel room window. Where i live, my city’s biggest public park has a concert venue and during the summer concerts there’s always people chilling on the grass outside and listening to the shows, having barbecue and drinking and stuff. I think this would be a great experience for fans of bigger artists too
@@DasDudu the cinemas actually gave permission to scream during the live viewing. Many people asked beforehand. Next time just know that that’s something to expect, or go during an early viewing on Sunday if that’s an option at your local theater.
i also had a similar experience while watching blackpink perform in Stade de France - two little girls (about 9/10 years old by their apperances) at the pit were blocking everyone because they stood up on their seats and all of the concertgoers who were behind them could barely see the stage, even though a lot of people screamed "SIT DOWN" both in french and in english, it was so annoying that it ruined my entire experience (fyi, i am 5'10 and i was wearing heels)
To share a more positive concert experience, I saw Harry Styles last summer and about halfway through the show I fainted from overheating. Overall quite a traumatic experience for myself and my partner (who had to carry me out to get medical attention) BUT the fans around us were so amazing! One fan followed us out, carrying all of our stuff for us. And when I was cleared to go back inside we got up to our seats and everyone asked if I was okay. An usher followed us up and offered for us to sit somewhere quieter so we followed him back out and a fan (having not heard the convo, and thinking I was getting kicked out) started chanting “let her stay! let her stay!” 😂
This is so cute!!! I also had a really good experience seeing Harry Styles in Slane last summer. The crowd was on a steep hill and people were helping strangers get back up the hill afterwards. Very wholesome :))))
My mom always tells me the story about when her friend fainted at a concert and everyone assumed she was on drugs or drinking, when really she was having a medical emergency. They all were kicking her, stepping on her, punching her, pushing her, etc. Yelling mean things and saying she should "know her limits" and "know when to stop drinking". my mom is a small woman, trying to carry her (presumably larger) friend through a crowd who was actively ANGRY at her friend's state of unconsciousness. She said it was absolutely terrifying. (This was probably the 90s)
Another interesting nuance in this topic is the genre of music of the artist in question. From what I've seen, more rock focused or "heavier" artists tend to have better etiquette in their concerts. I feel like this is even shown with the fact that two of Tiffany's examples of artists standing up for their fans were The Cure and Nine Inch Nails. Obviously this is not a hard and fast rule that the heavier the concert = the more concert etiquette, but it's just an interesting idea.
These genres are also not super popular at the moment (compared to pop/ hip hop), so maybe people who go to these shows are less casual concert goers and more immersed in the music
I think it might be that those genres foster a closer sense of community being that they're more countercultural than the mega popular pop acts, and many of the people there are going to be veteran concert goers who set the tone for everyone else
Both these bands have always been known as being part of a subculture, not really mainstream (even though both have had some success that reached beyond that.) I think it’s the alternative ethos here. @haveialigned makes a good point about the community of fans that forms for less mainstream genres.
I think there must be something to this. We went to see one of my husband's favorite bands with two other couples and had floor tickets, and the only negative fan behavior I remember was a guy bumping me a couple times. I was wondering what he was doing and my husband explained he was trying to start a circle pit and not getting the memo that no one else was interested. My husband and the other two guys in our group made a protective wall behind us ladies and then the rest of the time was without incident.
I’ve been going to rock, indie and alternative shows for over 15 years and 90% of the time I’ve had wonderful experiences. Actually most of the bad experiences happened at pop punk shows where the audience was quite young and admiring of the … Boys In The Band, if i may say so (i am also guilty of that haha). It was also hell in the front rows there sometimes, but i also feel that the heavier the music, the nicer the people? I’ve never met nicer people in the mosh pit than it did at metal/hardcore shows, I’ll be honest 😅
My mother and aunt were working class single moms in the 90s. Just by virtue of living in a border city where a lot of shows play, they were able to see a truly incredible number of shows by artists we could only dream of. Mum says recreating this would be impossible in 2023 unless you're wealthy. I am much more financially stable than she was at my age, and I certainly couldn't pay for it.
She's right. I went to so many concerts in the mid to late 90's and early 00's and it was very affordable to me when I was working a part-time job after school. Today most ticket prices are insane.
For real. My parents and I just saw Bruce Springsteen, and tickets were around $200 each. My parents had each been to like 5 Springsteen shows in the 80s, and tickets were $15.
Were the acts they were seeing as big of a deal when they were seeing them though? Yes, prices have gone up across the board, but partially this is just the natural progression of artists, if you see a lot of them. Some of them will fade into obscurity, some will get BIG, and no surprise seeing all of those again today would be totally unaffordable, duh. While even smaller shows have gotten more expensive, that's totally replicable today. You just have to stay informed and see up and coming acts, not established ones that fill arenas. What used to be a 15-20€ concert in 2010 here is now a 25-30€ concert. Sucks but in no way does that put it out of range of most people. "Concert culture" has never primarily been about seeing the biggest acts in arenas.
@@ska042 Obviously not every act was a mega super star, but many were! And at festivals, you could see a bit of everything for prices that would make us green with envy. My mother isn't very old - I am 28 and she is 45 (had me young). That's a vast change in a relatively short amount of time.
For my birthday my parents got me Elton John tickets for his Farewell tour--once in a lifetime thing for me and I was so excited. There were two folks on a first date who got wasted in front of us and they were so obnoxious and rude. They weren't even there for the music. Totally brought me out of the magical experience and I'm so sad to this day. They were older---probably Gen X'ers 🙄
I'm a millenial with boomer taste in music. I've been to some boomer concerts post lock down: Hall and Oates, Earth Wind and Fire, Kenny Loggins, Todd Rundgren, and Ambrosia. I had a great time, the crowd had good ettiquette some people got drunk but just were drunk and singing and dancing not disruptive. I also love boomer concerts because they sit 90% of the time and I got bad knees 😅
I'm a die-hard Taylor Swift fan, and have been since she first appeared on the music scene entirely. I am appalled at the lack of etiquette, at concerts and otherwise, that many of my fellow Swifties have. There's different artists I love, but I have never experienced more "I paid just as much as if not more than you, so I can do whatever I want at this concert (and now movie screening), even if it dampens your experience", than I have with other Taylor fans this last year. It's not hard for me to see anymore, why people look at her following like we're all psychopaths. And I'd imagine she'd be a bit embarrassed about some of our behavior, deep down. It all makes me want nothing to do with her live performances anymore, just because of other fans. Nothing can really justify their behavior to me.
I'm sorry it was like that! Our show in Kansas City was pretty good, like I didn't see anyone being super rude, but we weren't on the floor so that could be another story.
I had a really good experience all of the other fans were respectful and kind and there was lots of bracelet trading and complimenting outfits etc. I was on the floor and there were some people who got wasted in front of me but even they were okay as they mostly just cried on each other.
Don't get me started on the movie etiquette. I want to take my 70 year old dad to see the movie because he likes Taylor too but not if the audience is going to be screaming swear words and dancing down the aisles. I've seen posts online with people being like "the movie is a concert experience so I'm going to treat it like a concert because that's what Taylor wanted 🤪" and it makes me want to just not go at all.
@@jalapeno1119 as a reference for what to expect from a cinema show, since I know for many people it's new: 15 years ago I went to a movie show of Hatsune Miku Magical Mirai and we all treated as if it was a real life show. We dressed up, sang together and there were even ballons that we were trowing around that sometimes blocked the projector if it went too high. Nobody was sitting but we were in front of our chairs, not in the corridors. I know it sounds strange because its a Movie Teather and it's a place where normally people stay quiet but it will never be quiet if it's a concert.
I once bought tickets to a concert and their method of presale was a code given by Spotify. They sent top percentage of listeners a presale code and let the rest fight it out afterwards in a general sale. I think that'd be the most fair situation. You listen to the artist, you get priority. I wish they'd do that more (and expand it to more music platforms).
I bought Jonas brothers tickets last month through a presale. They aren’t the most popular in Ireland but I got a presale code as I was with 3 the phone company and the concert is in 3 arena which I thought was fair enough like if u happened to have supported that company then u get rewarded I guess, there was about 1000 in the queue but moved super quickly and I got 3 tickets for €300 (in total not each). Anyway I think the Spotify way sounds great except that i only became a massive fan a month or 2 before they announced the tour so I wouldn’t have qualified which would have crushed me
@@Eja132 even presales don’t work all the time 😔 I’m a co-op member so I got presale access for Olivia Rodrigo. Was on half an hour before in the waiting room and by the time I got through they had all sold out. So disappointed ☹️ Fantastic you got your tickets though!
I’ve been to some mid-level popular concerts since COVID, and they’ve been fine. I think there’s definitely an entitlement difference - but I’ve found it’s more malicious in Gen X and Boomers… and more just cluelessness with Gen Z. My mother will KNOW she’s in someone’s way, and doesn’t care. My sister has 0 spatial awareness and will apologize profusely after spilling three drinks and stepping on toes 😅
@@DeterminationInspiration-pj2oihey, where did you get such detailed info on what a certain age group did NOT learn? How could that even be assessed in a such a large group? What about the variables involved (location, socioeconomic status, family steucture, etc.)? I'd like to know what type of institution/professional would make such wide-ranging claims and what they based it on. Cause it just looks like you made up bs to me. Some people are raised shitty in EVERY generation.
Ticketmaster needs to be broken up, as you said. Season ticket holders who resell at a higher price are a huge problem as well. More states need to make it a law that resale tickets have to be sold at face value (vote in your local elections!!) BTS thankfully did not overpriced their tickets, it's TM and resellers who do that. And unfortunately, many fans don't realize that's the case.
The toxic fandoms are so gross and really ruin the enjoyment of artists for me especially with gatekeeping. A bunch of teenagers or ppl acting like teenagers deciding who is a “real fan” when no one gets to decide that. I get it’s just ppl trying to control something in a world where everything is insane but consideration of other people is just completely gone now. The “what if everyone behaved this way” is such a great rule of thumb
Given the current social media landscape and it’s impact on our society and perceptions, I totally get your position. Part of me though wonders if this could be an overreaction to typical dumb*ss teenage behavior, that which spans all generations. A sort of satanic panic, but to young adult tastes. I was like that as a 2010ish teen, but I wasn’t on Twitter. But I totally judged people at shows if they weren’t as fan like, once shot a woman a dirty look for not knowing the lead singers name for the headlining band when I overheard her asking her friends behind me. I cringe so hard thinking back, both bc it was aggressive/ weird af and bc as a 29 yr old now, I look at that behavior from teens at shows and just laugh, it’s too funny. With rent, work, student loans etc the last thing to affect is the opinion of a teen that lives at home 🤣🤣
@@loune3799 very true that we didn't have something semi-permanent and public to post these kinds of thoughts to. I think the internet has given people more of an opportunity to gather, have kind of more of a mob mentality in a space with like minded people which maybe in the pre-social media era you only had people you knew in your area or social group or maybe an online forum or chat online if you were lucky enough to have internet. Social Media definitely heightens and strengthens this, the only problem is they're now given basically a loudspeaker and can actually bully people online vs just bullying people in person or getting into a confrontation at the concert or something. It's weird tho cause when I was younger and going to a concert, my POV was like... hey we all have something in common, we're here and either like the artist or we're just interested in seeing music and that's cool. But I'm also not really a joiner and don't care about being the ultimate fan or whatever. But I feel like the discourse around "you're not a real fan you don't deserve to get tickets, you should let real fans have them!" is pretty new even still and definitely bots / scalpers or whatever have only added to this by making concerts more of a cutthroat thing
ticket companies have become SO shady. For Stray Kids in Australia, they did a 'presale', only to announce that they sold ALL the tickets for that day during the presale and added a new date for the general sale. However, some people could only go on that day and therefore missed their chance. Clearly, they just wanted to check if enough people would purchase but the fact they are allowed to mislead us like that is astounding.
That is a shit thing to do. For the SUGA | Agust D tour, at least they said „this is a presale and we will have another general sale if this one doesn’t sell out“. Of course it sold out within minutes, but still: people who did not get a presale code were warned that they might not be able to get one at all.
Sometimes it’s the venue that makes them do that, though. They want artists to demonstrate that it’ll be profitable before they allow them to take up multiple dates.. especially if they don’t have a ton of history touring in a particular country or in a venue of that size.
@@NatalieMarie917 that's still an issue though. Both the venue and ticket vendor should have a responsibility to be transparent. They specifically stated that there would be a limited amount of tickets sold in the presale, however they then sold out that entire date. That ended up being a complete lie. It's shady. I understand the venue might not want to add dates if it's not popular, but they could have made it clear that presale tickets would be sold until [specified date] or if the allocation was exhausted. And then if allocation exhausted, will consider adding another date. Nowadays, it seems to just be their thing to pretend it's a traditional 'presale' (ie. limited tickets) but it's actually basically just a general sale to scope out the popularity - with the main issue being that they don't actually tell the fans this before the sale.
Yep. In retail, it’s the older generations that are the most entitled nightmares to deal with; I’ve RARELY ever had an issue with millennials or Gen Z people.
You are right. I am a nurse and I have to say, the boomer generation is totally rude, entitled and demanding. They treat us like servants. They are the worst. When I was a server, it was the same. So rude, demanding and entitled. Unbelievably rude.
being an older genz fan involved with artists generally liked by younger genz fans is really rough. i try to empathize with them because this is a lot of their first concerts but the lack of respect for the people around them is insane!! i feel like i’m too old to be in the pit for shows now and i’m only 21 😭
‘Older gen-z’ 🤣 Sweetie stop trying to age yourself, you’re a kid, come to terms with it. Trying to seem or feel older than your peers doesn’t make you more mature or interesting.
@themarquis336 way to put words into someone's mouth. Most people think of children or teens when they think of Gen z, I'm 21 and I have a full time job and my own apt, completely different place and maturity level than a teenager. Not as mature as you, I'm sure.
I recently went to see a chill folk artist with my husband on a Monday night. Half the venue was drunk and just talking over the performer the whole time. It really ruined the experience for us.
yeah a friend's mathy midwest emo band was playing at a taco bar near us, (we're VERY RURAL btw) and the respect wasn't there. Gotta be picky with venues, even when you're starting. They only got some quiet and respect when they started playing a cover from Nimrod lol.
The last time I went to a big concert I had someone (who I assume maybe worked for a fan site or something as she had a truly MASSIVE camera) several times tried to use my head as a tripod. I could not see, not because everyone was all just taller than me, but because it was a sea of arms that stayed up recording the ENTIRE time. And at one point, one of the singers, trying to interact with the audience, pointed the mic toward some of us in the front for us to sing, and looked really disappointed when those people just recorded him and didn't interact at all... I've been to some smaller shows and those I prefer. Also pop concerts tend to be the worst behavior ways.
next time you see a fan site bring it up to security - they sneak those cameras in cause they aren’t actually allowed to have them inside most venues. i’ve seen tons of fans sites get kicked out of concerts once security realizes what they’re doing
@@gardenvariety1I agree. Definitely report it to security if you can. They’re not allowed to have those cameras, and they’re probably doing it for a profit. And they sometimes do really shady & ruthless things to get a good spot in GA.
The “verified fan” BS is insane. For Twice’s ready to be tour, my mom and I signed up for the verified fan thing (both our Ticketmaster accounts have bought twice tickets in the past as well as purchase history for many other concerts) and then my boyfriend decided to make a Ticketmaster account the last day of the verified fan sign up to sign up as well. Out of the three of us, he was the only one of us to get a verified fan code. Still got my tickets, but that made zero sense to me.
I belong to a generation that when you went to a concert, they double checked that there was no cameras in your bags and you weren’t allowed to take videos or photography… my friends and I had a good laugh about it the other day because the phones and cameras we were trying to use back then took horrible photos compared to what is out there now. I mean from a marketing perspective I understand why the artist allow people to record because even buy seeing the concert there’s still FOMO and it doesn’t stop fans from wanting to go .
I think the issue now is less the photos or videos than the live video streaming. John Mayer finally made an Instagram plea/warning earlier this year that live steaming is unfair to the artist, others at the concert and fans who want to go to a future show. Instagram shut down lots of live streaming efforts at the shows immediately after that, including locking fan accounts. I am reasonably sure that the high ticket prices are in place now just to pay for lawyers.
Yeah, and artists were so concerned about "bootlegging" (i.e. recording the concert audio), when people these days record the whole thing, including the visuals, in much better quality. 😄
I paid £70 to see Taylor Swift in 2015 and I thought that was expensive enough 😅 I was freshly out of university so that felt like an irresponsible amount of my small bank account to spend - when I heard about the eras tour I was so excited to see her again but was floored at how much higher the prices were!
My friend spent 285€ each ticket for us, she said she was panicking with the possibility of sold out (even though she had an early access) so she immediately bought the VIP ones😅. Thank god the concert ticket is going to be gifted as a birthday/Christmas and paid by my parents or else I would go bankrupt 😂
I spend $40 to see her in a tiny venue in Melbourne. I just paid $300 and something for Eras. My oh my how times have changed. It's been wild being a fan this whole time. I used to get teased for liking Taylor Swift and now she's completed world domination.
It may seem weird that I’m a Cure fan and a Swift fan, but yeah Robert Smith did what he could for fans for not just ticket prices but also low merch prices. I wish more artists would do this.
Same. I really like the music from both, but Taylor Swift's concert, for her, imo, it's a business exchange when it comes to the tickets. She and her team know that no matter the amount of problems in the ticket buying process, people will still praise her and go to extremes for a chance of attending her tour. I tried helping my friends to buy tickets for the eras tour here at Brazil and we didn't even get to see the buying page. It was only the waiting list, for 2 days. It's kinda disappointing being a Taylor's fan, because she often benefits profit over experience and will not use her power or at least try helping her fans like Robert Smith did. That's why I try keeping only with her music and not her persona
@@lorotacaradepipocaBullshit. Her tour before this probably had the best system for buying tickets (Ask ANY fan who bought tickets for the reputation tour, not the articles). But ticketmaster hasn't used that system since then for a reason. And YOU didn't get to see the buying page because of the insane demand. How is that her fault??
@@idontevenhaveapla7224you do realize she lowered her pricing for the reputation tour to make sure it sold out? She had many haters during that time which caused the prices to go down
can recommend Louis Tomlinson for that too! he tries to make sure his concerts are afforable all around (most I paid was like 70euro for standing, seating is the same or lower) and his merch has pieces in all price ranges cos he knows what it's like to not be able to spend too much on things you love! and he's a Cure fan, so maybe got some inspo there too :D
I feel like toxic online culture has really had a big part in this too. Fandoms became huge during the pandemic cause everyone was stuck inside, and now people think they can act how they want at concerts or shows because they’re “fans”. 13:55 as for fees and stuff, it’s bad. I am going to wrestlemania and found FLOOR SEATS for $900 (over 2 nights). I got 3 of them. I should have paid $2500 but with Ticketmaster fees I paid over THREE GRAND. It’s RIDICULOUS.
You’re exactly right. Twitter blew up during Covid for the different fandoms and the swifties were especially obnoxious. It created toxic parasocial relationships. I’m a swiftie but I didn’t let the Twitter shenanigans drive me to buy 2k nosebleed seats. I waited for the movie instead. My friends who went to the eras tour now can’t afford the movie lmao
the one thing i strongly disagree with is People miraculously forgetting how to act just because we social distanced for two years. That also doesn’t take into account the people who act like that, and just, didn’t follow guidelines. Babies and kids I can almost understand - they’re young, and there’s no guarantee that everyone’s parents explained things well and kept them occupied. but if it was a pandemic thing then everyone would be affected, not just a few right? It’s sounding more like an excuse
Havent watched the video yet, but as someone who has only been to one concert, which was a vocaloid one in japan.... the experience was so different from what I expected. silence, besides a few moments in the songs where you shouted alongside the character (no signal as well, just people knowing the key moments of songs). when the characters are not singing it is common to yell "yeah, yeah!" to the beat. after the end of the song everyone screams together and that's it. and I wont even talk about the lightstick synchronization.... suffice to say I don't think I could ever go to a normal concert.
@@na140every piece of etiquette in Japan seems different! I was shocked how different everything is. They look at you like you're committing child murder if you talk on the train. 😅
To buy kpop concert tickets, you basically have to be a member of the official fanclub (the one I joined cost about $30) to get tickets to a concert. There's a digital queue system but seat selection is a real fight. Thankfully though, because your ticket is tied to your ID, there is no reselling!
My company paid for a private concert of Imagine Dragon in 2018. They played just for us and I was so excited. One dude had his phone up and planned on live streaming it to his son. I stared arguing with him until he stopped (about 10min) and some chicks were screaming because they wanted the singer’s attention. People had their phone up for the entire concert. No GenZ there. It was people in their 30s and the father was in his 50s. People have jerks in concert since forever.
I mean a private concert by a known band sounds like an opportunity that he wanted to share with his son even though he couldn’t be there in person ! Is it really that bad ?
I just take my hiking camera -- it's like a small gopro with no viewing screen. I haven't been to a huge concert since La Dispute in the mid 2010's though, I just stick to the DIY scene these days. They play house shows and there's good audience etiquette because everyone in the scene talks and it's easy to get blacklisted.
@@reesea7988 lol depending on the situation, YES. If it's not an event where you can just move to another spot that's better, then ABSOLUTELY. Like I'd assume all the better seats were taken by other people and she got stuck behind boomer streamer. Like, a 30 second clip that you upload and maybe doing that once or twice is one thing, but intending to stream the entire concert when there's people behind you who want to see the show for THEMSELVES is really rude. If he wanted to stream it, then he should've been in the back or something. You do not have the right to ruin other people's experience just because you want to do something. If you wanna stream, take seats in the back. Too bad if you want "the best angle". For some people, having various different bright phone screens in their line of view is VERY distracting especially if they're risen so high you can't see past them. It's not ok to ruin someone else's experience because YOU DONT care about their experience. I'm SURE if someone had stood in front of the boomer streamer, he would've flipped out because his son who's not there can't see it. And that's wrong. They really should stop allowing anything that can record to be out. Like hand out black baggies at security checks and have fans put their tech in them. And have security scanning the crowds for screen lights and ask those people to put it away or leave. Like seriously, anytime I've ever tried filming a thing, I couldn't even remember the moment later.
It’s wild seeing people finally talk about how bad Ticketmaster is after the eras tour cause getting BTS tickets in 2021 was a NIGHTMARE! When they said there wasn’t gonna be a general sale and then another time no verified fan sale EITHER (only member of the official fan club sale) during the Agust D show I felt like we were yelling into the void. Glad everybody else is catching up 😅
So my college roommate and I(circa 2010) go to every Taylor tour together and as 30 year olds we decided that this was our last tour because it’s not fun when tickets are so expensive we have to each have family conversations about the amount of money spent. Also we don’t live near each other so doing this with each other is a task. I feel like concerts were the experience that everyone USED to be able to afford in lieu of vacations but now it’s the same and neither are in my budget. So.. sad day but I guess we can watch the next tours in movies lol
This. Concert tickets cost so much now that it requires family discussions on budgeting. That’s why I can’t just go to whatever events I want, and if my friends don’t understand that’s ok. I’d rather have an emergency fund.
my best concert experience was seeing Weyes Blood for a $20 ticket, the show was transcendent and I got to meet her after where she signed my records! I always advocate people to get into indie artists for that reason alone, it's so much easier on the wallet and you have a much better experience all around. I can't imagine spending over $1000 on nosebleeds, like at some point nothing is going to live up to the price you pay and it's gonna dampen the experience.
10 years ago I went to my first arctic monkey's concert, it was also my first concert in a big venue and my first concert with friends without my parents, so I was really excited. We queued for hours and ran straight to the front to get a good spot, watched the support acts patiently, only for 5 mins before AM were meant to start a huge rush of people pushed into the crowd (I mean like hundreds of people pushing through not just a small group) and I was pushed to the back, getting split up from my friends and not being able to see or hear the stage because of how many people were stood in front. It was a bit shit and put me off going to concerts in big venues (I still don't enjoy big crowds or arena concerts) but it was only £30, and that was still a lot for me as a teenager but it wasn't half my rent or enough to bring me into debt. I don't think concert etiquette has got that much worse, but there's so much riding on having a good time due to how much people have spent they care a lot less about everyone else having a good time.
Honestly, I saw arctic monkeys in Japan this year and the rushing and pushing in the crowd was wild - I go to a lot of rock/punk/alt concerts and to this day arctic monkeys had probably the most feral crowd
i recently got a ticket to see my fave kpop group in japan. the ticketing process is nerve-wracking because it's lottery based, but at the end of the day the ticket was at a flat fee (and only like $92!) and the results were announced at exactly the time they said they would be. photography and video is not allowed at these shows, and while i was disappointed the first time i went to one, i enjoyed the experience overall more than i would at a show in the US, at least in terms of my stress levels being much lower. buying tickets for a kpop concert through ticketmaster is a headache, and i say that as someone who goes to older groups' shows where i get the tickets relatively easily compared to people trying to see, like, bts or something.
I feel like a difference in culture adds to this, I can guarantee you that if they did a show in LA or literally any other US city, that there would be 0 respecting the no photography or video rule and people would complain about how the raffle system is unfair.
@@delusion5867it works for japan concert goers tho bc theyre used to it. as for the phone thing, i think everybody should do a concert and not film the entire night at least once. I've just been to a concert last week and hardly filmed instead jumping and dancing around and its an entirely better experience
Regarding singing and shouting loudly at concerts, it is something quite accepted and practiced in Latin American countries. I am mexican, so compared to our neighbor the United States we do not receive concerts by big artists or multiple dates as often. I think we like to share the euphoria with the other attendees and also the artists are excited by the response from the Latin American public because it is something that they generally only receive abroad. As an example, Taylor Swift's reaction to the concerts that she gave for the first time in her career in Mexico City
This is very true. I went to two concerts this year in Mexico City and boy were we LOUD. One of the concerts had a mosh pit and it got so wild and aggressive but it didn’t really get out of hand. There was this collective mindset of “we don’t know if these guys will ever come back, let’s not ruin it for each other”. Also, the “throwing things” trend doesn’t really happen here. The most we’ve thrown are customized peluches del doctor Simi.
Yeah in Italy it’s the same, in every big concert I have seen everyone was singing out loud, I don’t find it annoying, it’s like we are collectively sharing the excitement
@@Pela_patate yeah but there's a difference between singing loudly because it's rare and exciting, and what happens a lot here in the states. Here, (at least in my experience) people like to drink or take something (acid or shrooms or weed if they don't typically partake in it) and then get lost in the sauce and start SCREAMING the songs. Like the whole song, completely out of tune, like they've had a bottle of vodka alone at a karaoke bar. And if you're close to them, it can be very hard to hear the actual performance. And if you complain/speak up to them they become rude or aggressive because they "paid for this". I've even had this happen at free concerts before. This stuff is even happening at theater performances now too. like nooooo, I didnt pay $100 to listen to the person 3 seats over drunkenly SCREAM the words of the song and then promptly barf up the 6 drinks she's had tonight onto her outfit and the sloped floor and seats. Like yes, it can be perfectly fine to sing along at a concert. It can even be ok to sing loudly if concerts are rare and it's a tour stop artists know will have more energy. But it's NOT ok to act like you're the star of the show and drink a lot or take a substance and then scream over the artist.
I’m from Tucson so I get to see both worlds. Small venues, especially in south Tucson, you make as much noise as you can. You sing along. And the artist encourages that. When I was a small kid I literally once got on the stage during a performance and started asking the guitarist questions and they didn’t even stop the show, the guitarist just talked to me while playing 😂 Large venues, e.g. the Rialto, you do NOT do that. Or you do, but you’re kind of an asshole.
Finally a topic I’m a self proclaimed expert on! Pre-pandemic I went to at least 5 concerts a year and since 2022 I’ve been back up to my usual concert quota. I went to 3 concerts in the last two weeks as of the date of this video release. The fees are awful, but there is also a problem directly with the artists or better yet their labels in setting the prices. I like a lot of smaller indie performers and their tickets are typically within the $30-75 range. But performers with more fans are always within $100+ I think more scams are happening too. When I saw Lana Del Rey in 2019 her tickets were within that $75 range. This year I haven’t looked into it yet since she’s not touring anywhere near me but her tickets sold out immediately. I love Lana, but that is crazy. Not even at the height of NFR we’re her tickets selling out. I think it’s bots and scalpers.
I saw so many girls I know go to the Taylor Swift concert MULTIPLE times and I couldn't understand how they could afford it. I will say I went to a Harry Styles concert in 2021 and it was very fun and the audience was chill. Also just got tickets to see the Eras Tour in the theater, tickets were 19 dollars I hope it's fun!
Ppl I know who went to the eras tour are now eating ramen daily and can’t afford to see the movie. They couldn’t afford it but still went. I waited for the movie bc I knew she would release a streaming version or something for the fans that Ticketmaster screwed over. After concessions and maybe a cute hat I’ll spend less than $100 on two movie tickets, food, and accessories. I got my eras tour merch from temu after they made dupes, saved at least $200. FOMO sucks but I like being able to pay rent 😅
I saw Beyoncé in Charlotte. We got nosebleed seats for 250 each. Nearly everyone of the audience I experienced was so kind and supportive and uplifting. The show was amazing and I had a lovely time! The sheer number of people who attended (probably 60k) was awe inspiring
Yup. Beyonce is a class act. She knows people would show up anyways no matter how the concert goes but still went out of her way to put on a great show
I've been to a few (arguably smaller) shows and the worst is when some tall guy decides to shove right in front of me (I'm 5'2) despite not even being close to stage. No stopping shows for injuries or fainting, no things thrown on stage. Seen a few people record entire songs on their phone, but as long as they aren't blocking my view I don't really care. I think the issues today are largely with bigger artists - bigger crowds, more pricey tickets that are in higher demand, more entitled fanbases treating the concert as a once in a lifetime event because they dropped 100s or sometimes 1000s. It just does not seem worth it honestly, which sucks if these big artists are your all-time favorite.
the height thing is interesting to me! I'm a 5'10 girl and generally don't go to concerts, but does being taller than most people mean that I'm unwelcome? Or is it the manner in which you attend, like how you said the guy shoved in front of you..
@@rmrieit’s more of a spacial awareness thing, and is only really relevant for those standing really close to the stage at a packed, small venue. I’m also short and make a very deliberate effort to hold my place by the opening act in the front. When someone tall directly plants themself in front of a shorter person, it feels rude. I guess they just don’t realize they’re doing it.
@@rmrie tall people are definitely welcome! I know that I'm not gonna have a great view since I'm so short and that's totally fine. It's moreso when I'm not in a primo spot and someone who is like over 6' decides to stand right in front of me during a show it feels really inconsiderate, since they could see just as well right behind me but completely block my field of view in front of me haha
I'm also 5'2 and my deliberate spot is somewhere at the back of the crowd. There's just no way I can see more than people's armpits in the denser crowd near the stage. Having said that, when a tall person shoves in front of me, I'm livid. Like, I'm already at the back (to be able to see at least the heads of the artists) and some 6' person has to walk just in the very front of me so the back of their tshirt is basically touching my nose?! FFS.....
@@rmrie it doesn't make you unwelcome at all! but you should try to be conscientious of shorter people behind you. I'm 5'0 so i plan ahead and always either show up early for barricade spots if its GA, or get a seat up in the balcony or somewhere I know I'll be able to see over others. The worst is when I do get a barricade spot and a taller person tries to edge me out of it when they know they can see just fine over my head. I'm a woman and I "look friendly" so people assume I won't stand my ground, but hell if i'm gonna let some drunk loser who didn't even support the openers push me around (reffering to a specific situation there, not you)
I’ve replaced my concert tickets with plays, musicals, ballets, basically live performance. The fans are more respectful towards the actors and stay quiet. The security is very intense when it comes with recording things too so you don’t have to crane your neck to look past a phone. The tickets are expensive, but no more than concert tickets
To everyone saying “just go see local bands!!” as if that’s a solution, people at Taylor Swift concert aren’t there just for the vibes lmao they want to specifically see Taylor Swift
I don’t anyone is saying it’s 100% an alternative, but local gigs are good for ppl who enjoy the concert experience for an affordable price. Obv going to see a random indie band isn’t the same as Taylor Swift.
@@meowiestwo I’m not sure this needs to be an argument. The last sentence of my original comment literally says the exact thing you said in your reply to me - that a local indie band isn’t the same as seeing Taylor Swift. My point is that for someone who is unwilling to participate in the circus of getting tickets for big shows but still enjoys live music, supporting their local scene is a good alternative. Not the same, but an alternative.
I had a girl in front of me at The Eras Tour who was taking up so much space flailing her arms around the entire show that her arms were in my view the whole time and any pictures or videos I got had to be taken at weird angles to keep her arms from getting in my pictures. Have fun at a concert, but remember that PEOPLE ARE BEHIND YOU!! I got tickets to the tour movie on opening night and I'm kinda scared at the behavior I'll be witnessing. I'm always seeing people assume that everyone paid that much for tickets lol. Someone asked me why I'd pay that much for Taylor Swift and I was like "I didn't...lol." People keep saying those are Taylor's prices instead of understanding what resale tickets are 😅
Omg me too! I try to edit my videos as much as possible but it was so hard to stand and twist constantly for any decent picture or videos. It was so frustrating. It was the 1st time I went to Taylor’s concert after being a child fan and it got ruined after spending more than + $500.
i went to see bad omens in toronto and ended up behind someone who had their young child on their shoulders creating a huge block of the view in the GENERAL ADMISSION CONCERT where the huge crowd were all packed together standing the entire time. people who cooed over the child definitely were not being prevented from seeing anything like others were! how young is too young to be in the pit of a metal concert? i'd say at least hit puberty first 😵💫
this omggg like all the swifties being labelled as crazy for paying those prices but the tickets were like,, 80-200 euros in Europe and we're all just here like,, thats not insane, yall (aka the government or tm) just dont do anything about the scalpers
people have been shitty and annoying at concerts since the dawn of time. the main difference is that they're posting about it on tiktok now. based on my experience the worst offenders are a very small minority, but everything gets posted online and blown way out of proportion. go to concerts and have fun. if other people are ruining your experience, use your words! say hey can you stop doing that? and if they don't stop, call security or something. posting about it on tiktok hours or days later does literally nothing but farm rage. this video was great! this stuff just really annoys me lol
YES this. I'm late to the party here but I also feel like this is sometimes a "you" problem, too? like, yes, i can go be mad at the others for now 'ruining' my evening, or move/say something/act/idk and not let them ruin it for me? negative vibes and all that? like, yeah, your feelings are valid, but the more you're upset about it, the shittier the experience will be! so in the words of Elsa or something.. Let it gooo
This makes me so grateful to be apart of a local music scene. Basically none of these issues are relevant to a smaller concert. $10 on the door, great music, great community, simple and that's how it should be!
as someone who's been to both local shows and big theatre/arena shows, the local ones are soooo damn underrated ... you pay $15-$20 and get a bunch of amazing acts squeezed onto one bill. i refuse to pay more than that for a concert unless it's a legacy / once-in-a-lifetime artist, and even then im not settling for nosebleeds - id rather not go at all than to pay hundreds of dollars to be back row watching the whole thing on the jumbotron when i could watch a concert DVD on my TV @ home 💀
I miss local shows being affordable. The good venues signed with live nation and now ticket prices doubled. My clairo tickets in 2019 were $25 and in 2022 were $50. The GA was cheaper but my POTS requires seating and I prefer the balcony anyway.
It reminds me of the recent story at the Adele's las vegas concert where a young man was asked to sit down because people behind him were seated, while he was standing up, singing and filming himself with a selfie stick. I understand the excitement of being at her concert but everyone enjoys concert in different ways, I felt like it would have made more sense to put him at the front where all other people were standing up rather than make everyone stand up. Sure, the crowd was maybe just reserved and they didn't mind standing up, but I feel like if I paid the same price as you and I don't want to be seated behind someone standing up with a selfie stick, it's also my right. It doesn't make me less of a fan.
And people were overwhelmingly defending him! I do think that trying to force a person enjoying a concert to sit down is lame if they’re being otherwise respectful. But my sympathy is much more limited when you are not only standing but also recording the whole show with a selfie stick at the same time.
My last concert was before COVID. I asked a friend of mine to go with me despite her not knowing the artist so I wasn't alone in the city at night. When I bought the tickets, it was a month prior and there were plenty of tickets left and a whole bottom section where there was no seating assigned (which turned out to be standing only and it was closest to the stage.) We get to the city early, eat a little something, and walk over to queue. About 10 minutes before the show starts, we finally have the two girls in the row ahead. When the artist comes out on stage, they stand and me and my friend figured it was the beginning so why not. Not even five minutes go by and there's a man booing at us, from 25 feet away so it wasn't about the view, for standing. Well, we paid for a seat so all of us sat after the first song except these two girls. The guy keeps booing for 20 minutes and the one time the girls felt bad about it, they ask a woman seated ahead of them; she gives them the whole "you do your thing" nod and smile. They proceeded to stand for the entire show and while I can barely see the stage, my friend can't see anything. I offered to switch with her but she declined since she didn't really know the artist. So I asked them if they could at least sit for one song so my friend could at see and they looked perturbed but complied. As soon as that one song ended, one of them jumped right back up and the other sat out one song further. After the show, my friend asked me how much she owed me for the ticket and I told her, "Nothing. You had to stare at two teenage butt-butts all evening at a concert I dragged you to." So yeah, I don't go to concerts anymore. I knew COVID would just exasperate the issue.
If I really love the artist, I record A LOT of their songs. But I hold my phone directly in front of my face just below eye level. So, I’m still focusing on them live-and I’m also not really blocking anyone’s view either. I get post-concert amnesia any time I see my favs, and I get so much joy out of rewatching my videos and basically reliving it from my same vantage point . It just doesn’t feel the same when I see recordings from other angles. The things I hate most are people holding up signs for extended periods of time (or at all, really) and people throwing stuff at the artist. And people trying to cut in line for GA. Ok, I’m also not a huge fan of people in the audience scream-singing. It’s distracting irl, and it completely ruins my videos. But beyond all of that. What I really can’t stand is this dynamic pricing bs, and the increase in scalpers/fans reselling for a huge profit (sometimes just so that they can actually afford their own ticket).
Same. Because I don't pay too much attention to the phone while recording, my videos are not that great, but that's ok. I'm recording for me, not to post them on social media.
At least you're mindful about filming at face-level and not sticking your arm straight up in the air for the whole show, those are the really annoying ones 😩
@@laurah5469 yes- that part is key! Although, I do appreciate sometimes when people have phones with amazing cameras. The zoom quality on my iphone is sh!t. I was tempted to record someone else’s phone screen at a festival last month 😆
i’ve had such icky feelings at every beyonce and taylor swift concert post. they’re all the same. i love love love concerts and i’d spend money to see someone i love. and i love both of those artists but the performative aspect of it all is painful.
Been a brazilian it's funny for me to hear that singing with the artist in concerts are considered something bad, we love singing together here, I only go to concerts to do this in fact 😂😅 cultural differences are crazy . Great video, as always ❤
Singing along is great and totally encouraged! I only have a problem with it when it elevates to constant screaming and makes it hard to hear the artist at all
i see a lot of comments like yours that are really misunderstanding what’s not acceptable. Singing your heart out is absolutely encouraged. Shrieking and screeching are what we are talking about. If you want an example type in “eras your screeching” and see what comes up. I’m sure there’s a lot. If not. Think of the people that have public meltdowns?? how they basically throw their voice out from how loudly the shriek - think tantrums. That is what is unacceptable and it’s paired with how people act about it. It’s the entitlement and the FACT they know they’re not singing normally. They’re that loud and annoying on purpose
It’s crazy to call others entitled for wanting to be able to hear the artist they paid money to see and not someone screeching off key in their ear for the entire show.
Me and my best friend went to see the Backseat Lovers in Pittsburgh this past July. The people around us completely ruined the show with their poor concert edict. We were in the pit close to the stage so the energy was high. There was a guy in his early twenties behind us that was screaming the whole time and demanded the song 'Olivia' be played since it's his girlfriends name. After screaming for 3/4ths of the show and ruining any quite parts of the set, Josh Harmon the lead singer sang it impromptu with no lights just to get it out of the way. This dude and his girlfriend were ecstatic that they got what they wanted and filmed the whole thing. The other members of the band stood off to the side and were visibly frustrated. Me and my friend left shortly after because of how incessant he was to get attention from the band by screaming the lyrics or just screaming to scream.
I sometimes attend concerts by myself and two things tend to happen. First, people will ask me to switch seats with their friend (and pester me with the question/guilt-trip me into almost agreeing to their wishes). It's the assumption that, because it's just me, they are entitled to manage my experience. No need to mention how much they pout and complain/act indignant when I rightfully decline. Even the ones that act "polite" do their best to make me feel uncomfortable/unfair/like I'm ruining their experience by not switching. The second thing is the influencer problem. People will constantly try to interrupt my experience to ask me to take their pictures and videos, sometimes in the middle of the biggest hit/most emotional/fun moment. They, of course, proceed to act like the victims of unfairness the second I say no. Outrageous.
I'm going to a concert later this month. For the first time in my life, a show popped up that's important enough to me to involve air travel and a hotel stay. Base ticket price was so super cheap--like $30. Fees made it nearly $50. I opted for priority line access, which bumped it to $70. Luckily, for me, that is still a reasonable total, and is a small portion of the overall cost for making the show into a 2 day trip. I am also hoping that the average age of the attendees means most of us know how to bahave, but fans are crazy and this is only the 3rd show we've gotten in 4 years, so we'll see how everyone manages to contain themselves.
K-pop stans have earned a certain reputation but when I went to see Twice live in June, I think there was a general hivemind of concert etiquette that made the whole experience kinda magical. A lot of people were recording but it wasn't really obnoxious or intrusive, and people were just vibing (probably bc nobody wants to be the guy who pisses off a bunch of k-pop stans)
So I’ve seen the same band (AFI) dozens of times since 2004. The competitiveness has gotten kind of crazy the past few years, especially this last tour (their first post-pandemic). I think it’s a combination of who can seem like the most dedicated fan on social media, as well as just this sense of entitlement. There is a wonderful community of people who go to AFI shows still, who line up early to get good spots (since everything is general admission), who caravan from show to show and all bunk down in a single hotel room together, who sing along to every song and are grateful for every experience. And then there are those who actively complain that they didn’t get to see some rare b-side that was released in the 90s. That the set list, the experience, wasn’t catered directly to them. I also think Astroworld had a huge impact, at the last AFI show i went to (post-astroworld), the lead singer stopped the show a few times to make sure people were okay in the crowd. That never used to have to happen, but I think it’s 100% necessary these days. I think the selfishness of people wanting to have these “perfect” concert experiences (close to stage, try and get a setlist or pick, get eye contact with the artist, etc) also leads to more crowd crush, which is actually dangerous and we’ve seen can easily kill people. Everyone rushing to the stage for their perfect picture or to try and get attention from the artist, there are consequences to that. Not to get all elder emo on folks, but people used to look out for each other. Big dudes used to pick me up in the pit (I’m nearly six feet, sometimes I need the help of a burly man in a patched up denim vest if I fall lol), if crowd crush is getting intense and I’m on barricade, there was usually someone behind me bracing themselves around me so I’m not getting crushed up on metal, I never felt unsafe. Now, it’s like everyone wants to crawl over each other to get an inch closer to the artist. All that being said, not all hope is lost lol. I’ve met some great newer/younger fans who are totally respectful and fun at shows, but the sum of the total has been…interesting to see.
Okay THANK YOU for this comment!! I've seriously noticed the lack of pit etiquette/safety over the past few years. When I was 11 in '08, I went to see La Roux in the pit at a bar. Strangers we'd never met looked after me & my friend like they were our parents, making sure we didn't get crushed or lost in the crowd. They knew we loved the same music they did and thats all they needed to help keep us safe. The last pit I was in (The Regrettes, last fall) I saw a small girl who looked about 12 get shoved out of the way by a crowd of full-grown adults because she was close to the front. There's no care for fellow fans anymore. Now its like fans see others as competition or obstacles they need to overcome to get closer to their idols. Its seriously so fucked.
This is something I loved about being a chick who goes to rock concerts. I saw deftones on their guerrilla tour for their self titled album and guys would always check on me in pits. I figured out crossing my arms across my chest helped me feel secure but there was always a dude asking if I was okay or if I needed to get water that theyd help me out. It's not the same anymore cause fans don't look out for fans
we're still in the pandemic btw, just because lockdowns ended due to capitalism doesn't mean the virus magically went away and isn't still killing thousands of people and disabling tens of thousands more
Hey, fellow AFI fan here to agree with you. Out of the acts with bigger crowds I've seen post 2020 (which have been many), AFI fans were hands down still doing the most to look out for each other and make sure everyone was having a good time. That said, I did get shoved out of the way by some asshole rushing to touch Davey which was unexpected.... people always push and shove and I've been elbowed by folks trying to touch Davey before, but this guy actively just threw me out of his way. Also there were less people on their phone the whole time than at other shows. But overall broadly speaking "rock" shows just aren't the same, as you're saying, due to a seeming loss of that "unity"/"we're all here together to have fun" mentality that used to exit. People looking out for eachother are now in the minority and I've been to some shows where it seemed like everyone there was just out to get internet clout since they were either recording or otherwise on their phones the entire show.
As far as prices and buying tickets, it’s not just the huge artists like Taylor Swift this is happening to. I tried buying tickets to Hozier’s new tour - not a huge artist by any means and it was the exact same issue mentioned in the video. Even now, less then a month before the show, decent tickets are $500 each on resale sites. It’s $200 for the lawn. I can’t help but be a little salty when artists say how grateful they are that a venue sold out. I know it’s not the artists fault, but at the same time the venue was sold out by bots and the real people are getting robbed.
Yup. Tried to get Sleep Tolken tickets. Exact same scenario. Bots bought all the tickets within 2 minutes. A $50 ticket turned into a $250 ticket within 3 minutes. And the band was bragging about being sold out. The entire comment section was fans pointing out the fact. Literally no one got tickets. They said nothing. Respect lost.
lol same. Saw him in 2018, bought the tickets a few days after they went online, no problem. This year I tried to get tickets in the pre-sale, no chance, 5 minutes later I could buy them for 300€ on Fansale (the tickets were 56€ originally) 🙃. This has even happened with really small artists and its extremely annoying.
Regarding the watching concerts on cinema thing, I actually got to experience this last March 2022 and it was such a great experience for me! Its not too loud to be overstimulating and I can see that the fellow fans are having such a good time. And I got to watch a concert in a cold room sitting in soft and comfy cinema chair, which is big plus for me~ strongly recommend this option and I hope other artists implement this too 😄
Yes! I do this several times a year, though not with traditional concerts usually. The MET opera livestreams some of their performances throughout the year, and I’m big into DCI (pro marching band) and they live stream the championships too. It’s honestly so great. I get to eat my shitty popcorn in a big chair in a (usually) respectful theater. I wish more artists would do what T-Swift is doing with the Eras film. Even older artists! If they showed Stop Making Sense in theaters I would love my mind ♥️ Lady Gaga has been teasing her Chromatica Ball film for almost a year now.
I saw a BTS and Agust D concert in theaters and it was great. Fans brought their lightsticks, handed out freebies, etc. It was an all around good time.
bts has been doing concert livestreams in other theaters for a few years now and they are great! there's often one in the same city as the actual concert, which is extra fun because you get to still enjoy the fan culture of lots of people coming into that city for the concert. they've also done livestreams in other cities and even not live but after the fact movie theater showings of concert videos. I think all these are great ways to include more fans (and newer fans that are less willing to brave the ticketing process) in the concert experience. also, movie theaters need all the help they can get lol
Sadly Ticketmaster and live nation have begun to gobble up small venues post Covid. They’ve even taken to taking a cut of the merch sales when that used to be reserved for bigger venues. It’s slowly starting to work it’s way into smaller local scenes. But over all yes. Go support local music. We appreciate it so much as musicians
I paid almost $600 for 2 tickets for the Red Hot Chili Peppers, but watching my husband cry over this huge surprise on Christmas morning was worth every penny.
I actually went to my very first concert this week: the tickets were around 40$ (not entirely sure about the exchange rate) for everyone, the event organisers made sure that no-one would queue earlier than 4 hours before the event started and most people were very considerate regarding people needing space and not pushing too hard to get to the front. In terms of etiquette a lot of people were filming and basically everyone was screaming along (it was encouraged by the artist) which honestly to me communicated a very strong sense of community - as in „we‘re all here together, we all love this music and we‘re all having fun“ - and greatly added to my enjoyment of the show (also the speakers were loud enough to still hear the artist well).
Well one thing is for certain, I wanted to go to the Taylor Swift Eras tour but thanks to the ticketmaster mess couldn't go. I'm not that desperate to get tickets if I have to pay more/do a ton of searching just to get decent seats. It shouldn't be that hard but they sure made it that way lol
I've said basically this same comment in every video on this topic, but when it comes to fan culture and courtesy at shows I really think it depends on what artist and genre of music you're seeing. I've been going to concerts regularly for well over a decade and I personally haven't seen that much change since I started attending them in my teens, but I primarily see indie, emo and alt rock groups and the culture there is exactly the same as it was before the pandemic imo. In fact the worst fan experience I've ever had at a show was long before the pandemic even happened so there have absolutely been jerks long before lockdown. Yes there are more phones out at shows, but as someone who also films at concerts for personal use when the artists play my favorite songs (because i like to go back and rewatch my vids when I'm feeling down to relive the emotions i experienced at the show) I honestly don't see what the problem with it is so long as the person filming isn't blocking someone's view or being disrespectful. The whole concept that anti-filming fans have of "well *I* go to shows to be in the moment and see the artist in person" honestly feels just as elitist to me as someone saying that casual fans of an artist shouldn't be allowed to get tickets.
Alt/rock shows are generally pretty chill but I feel like there’s a lot of elitism and also a lot of kids who need thrown out. I went to one recently and these girls tried shoving up to barricade saying “we’re looking for her mom!” When they were several people behind me, had no mom in line, and had a big ass sign that they kept digging in my shin. They usually are t bad but recently have had so much hell at them.
yes!!! I saw Dashboard Confessional last year and it was the most fun I've had a show. Everyone was super respectful of the artists, the vibes were great, and other fans were friendly and enthusiastic. People would take their phones out, take a photo or a very quick video, and put it away again. Night and day compared to Phoebe Bridgers last year. That crowd was a nightmare.
I was the head of the line to get U2 tickets in late 87 and I waited in line for two days. It was actually a lot of fun and props to my mom for letting me do it at 16.
I saw Boygenius at Red Rocks this summer and because it was mostly seated, all of the GA tickets were in the back rows of the venue, it was very chill. There was very minimal screaming and loud talking. I feel like the crowd was great. And when Phoebe asked people to put their phones away for Letter to An Old Poet, literally not a single soul in the house had a phone out. And I feel like the space became incredibly intimate at that point and for the remainder of the show. It was an absolutely magical experience and I am so grateful for it. I have heard horror stories from other Boygenius shows on this tour. I am grateful that wasnt my experience.
W fan entitlement - when Mexico swifties tweeted they prob couldn’t livestream bc bad service I went thru the responses & so many ppl were begging them to still try … I understand not everyone can get tix but for the ppl who are able to enjoy the live performances why are we pressuring them to live that moment thru their phone or get clout/views from live-streaming. In my opinion it takes away how special living in the moment and enjoying it is when we are doing things for social media. Consider concerts before smartphones were invented & just be present.
I've noticed this recently at musicals. I went to see Blood Brothers and sat next to an older couple (50/60s) who were tipsy and the lady was loudly singing, even during the emotional songs. Same at Les Miserables. Very weird and SO rude.
the most perplexing thing to me about concerts nowadays is people who have their phone up to film the ENTIRE TIME. why are you filming the whole concert? are you going to go back and watch that? don’t you want to look at the artist with your own two eyes? one of these days i need to ask someone point blank why they’re filming the whole concert because it’s disruptive and simply baffling why someone would choose to do that.
Another issue is that some arenas are taking so much of the ticket price, and the artists already make so little of the ticket price, that artists are simply deciding not to have shows in cities with these greedy arena owners (like here in Cleveland), causing us to go out of state to see artists--which makes it even more expensive. I did go to a show in a movie theater last year which showed Billy Joel’s historic Yankee Stadium show. It was really fun, wore my shirt from that tour. It’d be a great way for people to see significantly historic concerts or artists in their younger days of or artists who have passed away. I saw Tom Petty live once, but I’d love to see a show of his from the early 1980s when I was too young to go or Bruce Springsteen’s Born in the USA tour, which I wasn’t allowed to go (I was like 13).
I used to love Maggie Rogers’ music and free-spirited vibe so much, but the most recent time I saw her live back in March, (in SF’s Bill Graham auditorium) she shamed the audience members in the balcony of the venue for sitting down, claiming it was the wrong way to do her concert and that everyone should be dancing. I was in the balcony. As you say in the video, people choose to sit for a whole host of reasons we don’t need to harass them about, including health issues. I totally understand that it’s challenging for musicians to perceive low enthusiasm during a live performance, but sitting doesn’t necessarily equal disinterest and her comment just didn’t seem very grateful for those who showed up at all 😔 She made additional comments about the lack of energy in the room at my concert and a close friend’s in a different city. It saddened me. I’ve danced wildly at her shows before but maybe I can’t do it every time and that should be okay 😔 I’m not sure how the logistics of dividing a venue into sections would work, but I’m hopeful that it can be done and would mitigate this.
oh, that is so disappointing!!!!! that reminds me of when I saw Ariel Pink in at Trees in Dallas - I think it was 2013 - and he was just so mean to the crowd and told us we were lame. Wasn't really a fan before that and gained a great dislike for him after that. separately, I live in SF now and saw (G)I-DLE at Bill Graham recently, it's a great venue.
Wow that would be a huge turnoff to me too. Sorry, not all of us want to or can stand for 2 hrs and dance like crazy or whatever. Standing when you have a seat is IMO pretty new in the last like 10-15 years, before that it was expected you could sit if you had a seat and the pit / floor was for standing and dancing
She’s frankly doing herself a disservice as an artist to read the crowd like that… she’s choosing to interpret a quieter crowd as a negative thing, as “lower energy”, but honestly, maybe what they have is a chill vibe with a lot of energy, and she should view it as an opportunity on the stage. A distracted crowd,I get that being frustrating. A more quiet or still crowd, they could be very engaged, and the artist needs to engage with them on that plane and feel the love, the energy, and the connection in the room. I think more experienced performers recognize this and can get there onstage, each show has a different vibe and flavor depending on what the crowd AND and artist can being to it.
Yikes. I love her music. I almost exclusively go to shows where I’ll have a chair, I prefer to be comfy. Maybe I’ll get up to clap or dance a bit but wearing my feet out before walking back to the car isn’t fun.
I've been to several cinema livestreams of concerts and it's been a different experience every time (and I've heard of all kinds of different experiences, good and bad). The key thing that can be a problem there is that people are very unsure what the etiquette is: some people don't feel it's okay to sing along, even quietly, because that's cinema etiquette.Others do sing along and even scream and clap (after a song ends), stand up and dance, etc. as if they're actually at the concert and think it's rude that people would just sit there quietly. So it can be a bit difficult to know what's appropriate because concert and cinema etiquette are so different. I recently saw that in Korea they sometimes do specific showings of a concert where people can bring their fan-lightsticks (and they sync them up with bluetooth just like at the actual concert) and are actively encouraged to sing along. So if everyone goes into the experience with the same expectations of what's appropriate, I think everyone can enjoy the experience and it can be similar to going to the real thing.
In Japan for the Eras tour, they did a lottery. So you sign up and then they pull a number. I think that was much better than the stress of crashing websites. You don't get to choose your seats but 🤷🏽♀️
@@wombat4583 I realize it wasn't specifically for Eras. But that's the tour I had the experience of booking with. No system is perfect, but I think it worked better than the crashing and 10,000 person digital lines I've seen elsewhere.
I breathed a sigh of relief at getting the concert movie tickets for the eras tour! It's right next to my home, I can go with my friend and get sushi first. We have seats! Perfect evening!
As a lifelong Swiftie, getting tickets for Loverfest in 2019 (Taylor's would-have-been 2020 concert) was so easy. Then I don't know what happened, but I only managed to get VIP-priced tickets for The Eras Tour. I payed R$289 for my Loverfest ticket and R$1510 for Eras ticket, on the same seat zone in the same stadium; even with inflation, the price from R$289 should be R$431. I'm in Brazil, and Brazilian concert culture is different from the US - singing every single lyric is a sign of admiration, love and respect for the artist, and most international acts are sold out in less than a week, it's been like this since decades ago. I don't know what changed, because we don't do dynamic pricing, but it's so much harder to buy tickets now :(
As a former concert-going teen/young adult I have SO MUCH to say on this topic but I’ll try to be brief! So much of it comes from my family supporting me - we were not well off by any means but my parents recognized going to shows meant a lot to me and no concert was ever off the table! They also let me skip school to get the best general admission spots - if I wasn’t front row centre for those, my ND brain couldn’t handle someone bothering me in front! I remember getting Coldplay tickets for my 16th birthday and they were a LOT at the time…I even saw the Spice Girls reunion in 2007 for $150…that was definitely a combo of mine and my parents money 😂 This was all before the 2008 economic crash and that’s where I argue prices started to rise uncontrollably. I fully stopped going to arena shows post-2008 and limited myself to buying $20 tix to local or smaller events. When I moved to Toronto in 2017, I was lucky because most ppl tour there and I saw a lot of artists I loved for maybe 20-50 each. It has changed SO MUCH now - for example I decided to buy a Madonna ticket for $120 because she was supposed to open the tour in Vancouver (my current location) and I thought it’d be fun to go without spoilers - now she has cancelled and rescheduled for 2024, I’m no longer interested and pawning the tix off, again, does not WORK for my ND brain 😂 to close this monologue… in 2023 I’ve been to two tours, Caroline Polachek and Juno Birch, which are very in-demand shows in places like LA but very undersold in Vancouver. So at both shows I felt very spoiled because the crowd was so chill and spread out - I used to think Vancouver was a joke city and nobody ever came here, and now I’m spoiled for choice! P.S. Despite how maddening the concert economy is, Beyonce is in Van Sept 11 and I’m gonna show up hoping to scalp day-of baby! Thanks for letting me ramble about a very precious topic to me 🤡
Tbf, who WOULDN'T wanna see Juno Birch? She's a blue icon 🤣🤣🤣. It sucks so much that Trixie Mattel doesn't come out to my region much because I'm a big fan. It's not like I can afford to travel even 50 miles to see her unless it was in Boston and I managed to get on the train which hasn't even opened here yet...m
@@jennatavares4695 💙💙💙!!! I had balcony tix for Juno but the event was so undersold they closed it, I ended up second row to the front! It gives me confidence I might actually secure a decent Beyonce ticket come Monday 😆I am so grateful for these opportunities, I was about three hours from Vancouver from 2021-earlier this year and missed a lot of tours - unforeseen circumstances landed me back in the city which bummed me out until I realized hey, Van gets pretty much all touring ppl now and the crowds aren't huge! I'm with you on Trixie - she did just come to Van but I was away and missed it - I am DESPERATE for a Trixie/Katya tour, and they should take a page from Lana Del Rey and perform in rural landlocked areas because - surprise - that's where the fans are!!! I hope you can see her one day!
I still go to concerts a lot - but the worst experience has to be standing tickets to a kpop show. It’s scary. But other than that I have the best time at rock concerts (I’m in france, where prices are a lot lower). Thanks for the video !
@@meowiestwoit alwqys depends on the artists and fans in the crowd. not specifically only for kpop. I've just seen p1harmony in ga and it was fine tho i was hanging out at the back. my only issue was a couple taller people in front of me but i'm short and know to expect that in ga
I went to see Justin Timberlake live for my first concert and genuinely this opened so much more for me. I realized how special it is to see your favorite artist live and how intimate it can be at different venues. I went from small Dutch artists (I live in the Netherlands) to big festivals and my love for it kept growing. It’s mostly for the experience of being there with your family / friends and screaming, crying and laughing together while enjoying your time. After social media got way way more popular I realized how some people just wanted the perfect instagram story. Once I saw one girl recording the WHOLE LORDE concert vertically :’). When that happend something clicked for me. After all those concerts, how many of the videos do I watch back? Some maybe once or twice. From then i decided, go to the concert / festival, see your favorite people. Leave your phone in your bag, unless you hear your favorite tune. You may record that, but that’s it. It makes the the experience way more enjoyable, you can look around see people enjoying themselves, jump around in a moshpit or cry just because. Watching the video’s back will feel more intense because this was a moment u needed to capture , but doesn’t ruin the whole concert experience for yourself or others around you :) For people who have never been to a concert ! Please go , if you don’t enjoy crowds find a smaller venue and “less” popular artist, concerts like these will feel even more special, than seeing Beyoncé from far far away ( I speak from experience) x
The streams of concerts already exist in kpop world! They are not live but still better experience than watching it on DVD at home. I went once in December, the crowd was dead, but I went again in May and it was sooo fun! We were all collectively cheering as if we were there, singing choruses and just simply enjoying the show.
I live in Germany so the whole Ticketmaster thing doesn't entirely apply to me (no dynamic prices here thank God!), but all of the things you discussed are exactly the reason why I only ever go to small to like mid sized concerts. I went to Hoziers show here in Cologne back in July and that was a lowely crowd. So kind and caring. It was hot as hell in the concert hall and people were alerting the artist and the security crew whenever someone wasn't feeling well, passing along water and generally taking care of each other. Obviously people passing out at concerts because it's so hot and humid in the hall is not good, but that is on the venue not on the artist or the crowd. What I really don't get is the whole video & filming thing. I never even take out my phone at a concert tbh. I want to be in the moment, quietly singing along with the artists and just dancing & vibing.
I've skipped shows this year because Live Nation's fees are stupidly expensive. The last ticket I almost bought was 50% fees. At that point I just decided I'm just done with concerts through them. With the current concert culture I don't even feel any FOMO, it's a space lead by companies that I don't want to deal with. The music industry is burning all their bridges and I'm just waiting for it to suddenly collapse into itself as soon as great local artists decide to go back to doing the hard work themselves.
I had nosebleeds for Beyonce a few weeks ago and the guy sitting directly in front of me was standing and blocking my view the entire time (even though everyone else in our section would sit mostly and stand to dance on occasion) AND he was screaming at the absolute top of his lungs like a child and waving his arms around. I would assume his age was like 19-21. I literally could barely see or hear anything going on on the stage. AND while we were leaving we experienced a crowd surge because it was so jam-packed with people.
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no back in the day charles mansons fans killed and murdered and ended peoples lives back in the 70s so im gonna argue no.
also when i go to concerts i go to hear them with my ears and see their performance with my eyes. arnt i a painin the ass
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very happy to be living in Europe - paid about 40 USD for the Elton John concert in Italy last year. Nosebleed seats for sure, but at that price - who cares.
One of the main reason tickets are so expensive is that it's the way artists earn money now. Since all music is available for free (or basically free) via UA-cam, Spotify (etc), artists don't earn royalties like they used to. Merch and tickets are the income stream.
I agree that the buying process has become insane, especially for big names like Swift, Beyonce, etc. The artists are not to blame for this, of course. It is what it is.
And, FYI, people have always acted a fool at shows--at least since I started going in the late 80's. They are drunk, high and having fun. Fun is different things to different people. It can be extremely irritating.
Something I’ve noticed a lot lately has been really poor concert etiquette during openers! Even if you aren’t interested in an opening act, there’s always been an understanding that performers are to be respected in venues! At least don’t be on your phone and ignore the act if you’re in the front rows!
GREAT point, i don’t understand how people can be so rude!! i’ve seen so many openers that i didn’t know but came out really liking, it can be such a good intro to a new band
THIS!!! This happened at a Bright Eyes show I went to last year and I could barely hear the opener because people were talking over his entire set. He was playing mostly acoustic jams too and I just felt so bad.
YES. I saw one girl saying it’s not rude to play on your phone and be uninterested. Like girl yes it is. Everyone ripped her to shreds because of the level of disrespect
It's ALWAYS been shitty being an opening act. That's why people want to be top of the bill. Not that it excuses anything, but it's nothing new.
the lack of support for openers always bothers me. I'm always excited to hear them and try to pay attention and hype them up, because even if the music isn't my thing, that doesn't mean I want them to feel discouraged. Also, sometimes you find your new favorite band through openers! I would never have gotten in to Portugal. the Man if i didn't see them absolutely rock while opening for Alt-J.
one of the aspects of “new” concert behaviour that tends to give me anxiety when going to shows is how comfortable people are with filming others and putting them online (esp. on tiktok) 😭 as a plus sized woman with a limited, mostly plain black wardrobe, being filmed and put in a video that’s meant to “analyse how x city dressed for a show” (which i have seen done for beyoncé’s renaissance tour, and where people in the comment section are incredibly uhhh.. “generous” in sharing their fashion criticism) is literally one of my biggest fears
Recording strangers without consent is one of the WORST consequences of social media culture. It should notttttt be normalized!! Obviously life sucked in other ways before smartphones, but at least you could do stuff in public without having to fear being seen by millions of people on the internet. Kurtis Conner just made a video about this topic actually.
its sad the amount of people who are slaves to their phones and feel the need to film everything instead of living in the moment.
generous 😂😂
@@PhantomMagician1846 fr though its like, ur gonna record it and then just never watch it again, and there's something about recording your experiences that actually make them less memorable and more forgettable, because your just focusing so much on getting good footage and possibly even just watching the concert through the camera instead of just enjoying it and watching the concert with ur bare eyes 😂😂
When i go to a concert I want to see the musicians and not someone else's Smartphone display in front of me. It's terribly annoying to get blinded by the light all the time.
Honestly, I’m getting really tired of people using lockdown and quarantine as one of the reasons for people’s horrible behavior. You’d think that we were in quarantine for like 50 years under some gigantic Simpsons dome when the pandemic was at its strictest for like, two years.
Being socially delayed for 2 years doesn’t mean people need to become a public menace for all time. 😒
Half of these people didn’t even follow quarantine anyways???!!!
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also like, kids maybe (thought it’s really parents using it as an excuse), but adults??? How can you turn socially inept just because you stayed at home a long time?
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You have people coming out of prison for the same amount of time more well adjusted than these quarantine assholes 😅
I was hanging out with this girl who was trying to buy tickets to the eras tour movie, and she was really nervous about not getting opening day tickets. When I talked to her later she told me she had been able to get the tickets, but she “had” to sit in a handicapped seat. This girl isn’t disabled. I was so appalled that she would be that entitled. What if a disabled person had wanted to go? It didn’t even occur to her that what she was doing was wrong.
Big yikes as a disabled person. Concerts are already WILDLY inaccessible.
And not only felt so entitled to take that spot, but to say she “had” to take it, as though it was somehow worth less just by being a handicapped spot
@@DiMagnoliathis is one of the reasons I really don’t like going to concerts. My disability prevents me from standing up for more than 10-15 mins before I begin to feel pain. But in most concerts, literally EVERYONE stands up the entire time and when able bodied people purchase handicapped seats (like the girl the original commenter was talking about). It means I have to sit in a regular seat where I can’t see anything because everyone is standing. I get it, you’re excited to see you’re favourite artist but I paid for this SEAT. I want to SIT in it. If I wanted to stand (and if I literally could stand), I would have gotten seats in the mosh pit.
@jamiegdubois wait doesn't the venue have to cater to you?
@@Shay416 kinda….venues are required to have to have a certain number of handicapped seats but I believe the rule is these are only %1 all seats (i.e. if a venue had 100 seats, then only 1 would be for people with disabilities). The problems are that 1) a lot of times they are in very inconvenient places, 2) obviously, there aren’t that many of them, and 3) (in the case or the original comment) people without disabilities will buy those seats without thinking of those who actually need them, leaving disabled people to have to find a regular seat. If that’s the case, it’s not about the venue catering to my needs, it’s about the other people who are at the concert. I can’t stop hundreds of people from standing during a concert just because I can’t. (EDIT: I’m not trying to imply that everyone at a concert should cater to my needs, that would be ridiculous lol. I’m glad that some people enjoy standing and dancing during concerts and having a good time seeing their favourite artist or band. It’s just that it’s something I personally _can’t_ do.)
Lately I’ve been feeling like music is just another thing that belongs to the wealthy. It’s extremely disheartening as a musician to contend with the fact that i probably wouldn’t be able to afford tickets to my own hypothetical shows lmfao
I was going to say, I wonder what portion of the concert etiquette issue is correlated with the fact that only rich people can afford concerts these days.
I think it depends? I drove eight hours and saw my favorite artist for $25 tickets. And everyone there was super sweet and excited to be there, without being disruptive. It's also the only concert I've been to, though, so I understand if it's an abnormality.
THIS. Any school kid had a chance of seeing the Beatles.
Now, full adults with solid income struggle to get into some shows, let alone anyone else. Music is for everyone, not just corporations and fans be damned.
See I really disagree because I love music and supporting indie artists and living in the United States I’ve never had any issues finding affordable tickets to see my faves. Indie artists usually charge well under $100 for example when I saw Julien Baker (1/3 of boygenius) her pit tickets cost me $41.25 base price about $30 plus fees. I just got tickets to see boygenius adding the star capital of Lucy Ducus and Phoebe Bridgers so that cost me $130.10 not sure what the base price was but I’m guess around $115. I think (and hope) Julien Baker is doing just fine as a solo artist. Now if I wanted to see Adele for her Las Vegas residency the prices start around $600+ it’s upsurd. As a music fan, your indie artists will always be more accessible than mega music stars. And maybe in another 20 years, Adele ticket prices go down because she won’t be in a residency and maybe has faded more.
@@aithne7216yup, smaller artists maybe have more “normal” fans who are genuinely there for the music not to get noticed by the artist.
For Bad Bunny's recent tour in Puerto Rico he did multiple things right in the sales that more should follow, I think.
He sold the tickets only in person, which makes it inaccessible to everyone but also guarantees that only locals can go to the show- which is a huge problem we've had before. He also prohibited resales and limited tickets per person.
The first day of the concert he had multiple livestreams going- 3 official 'viewing centers' which were packed and 100% free, as well as multiple unofficial ones too and livestreaming on a cable network. So really everyone had a chance to enjoy the concert and I think more artists should take ideas from him.
I like some of these ideas. Though I would like to bring awareness to the fact that only in-person selling might make the concert inaccessible to disabled people.
@@amara560Right. Maybe 1/2 sold online and 1/2 IRL so people still have a chance if they can’t be there in person due to accessibility restrictions, work, etc
The viewing center thing would be so cool in the US. Just like sports in bars, but with bigger screens. I’d pay a cover fee if it was under $50, I hate huge venues and the competition of buying tickets for concerts.
Yeah I don’t know about in person buying. I live in Northern Ireland and big artists never come here, so I usually have to go to England to see a show. I’m going over twice in the next year.
But I do agree that something needs done for sure!
@@amara560You are disabled to buy it, but not to go to a concert where all people will be bumping into one another?
I feel like the online culture of toxic stans/fandoms overgrowing and flourishing throughout the pandemic is a significant reason as to why general concert behavior has deteriorated. People get emboldened when they’re not held accountable for their toxic behavior online and it makes them think that that type of bad/entitled behavior is tolerated in public spaces.
Even when you hold them accountable then you turn into the problem for saying something about it even when it's in a respectful way.
This. Literally this. Also, I'm a firm believer that fans didn't suddenly "turn" toxic. The pandemic, isolation and further exposure to social media made them show their true colours. People were already entitled, selfish and just plain rude, but when they found people like them online (especially during the internet era of "I don't owe anyone anything, it's me first ALWAYS and it's not being narcissistic if I call it sELf CaRe") who shared their views, they became sure that they were right bc they found a bigger crowd
@NicoleNtola I 100% agree!! I also think we have to hold accountable the large advertising and media giants that have & continue to cultivate & encourage the type of parasocial relationship between consumers & characters and public celebrity personas that contributes to a lot of this toxic fandom-type behaviour.
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Yes! Social media has to be more responsible when it comes to celebrities because you can be immediately replied to by the celeb/artist/famous person.
We need to bring back internet safety classes and start teaching children how to be safe. Every level of education should have internet safety as a mandatory class, but it's easier to get children to listen and if they are instilled at a young age they'll carry that into adulthood.
I still never put my real name or face online with the exception of TikTok but I never use the same username for anything.
Stan culture has gotten completely out of control - people feel almost obligated to behave completely unhinged as a necessary demonstration of their “passion” and it’s been casually tolerated in niche spaces (online fan boards, meet-ups) so of course people feel free to drag that crap out into mainstream public spaces
Streaming concerts at theaters would actually be a really good idea to utilize dying theater spaces as well.
Oh I would love to recline in a movie theater seat, with outside food snuck in to watch the screen I would be watching if I was at the actual concert 😂 for 20 bucks so many more people would have access
Agree. And what seals the deal for me is that the majority of people at these huge concerts aren't going to be able to see the stage and have to watch on screens anyways. If you can't afford a good seat at the live concert it gives you an affordable alternative to overpaying for shitty seats and travel expenses. Also doing concert viewing parties at theaters sounds so fun! Especially theaters that have liquor licenses. now if only that wasn't so damn expensive lol.
Opera is already doing this across the globe. There's shows in New York showing at the same time in Sweden.
amazing idea!!
BTS did that, and people behaved so terribly that I ended up storming out of the room half an hour later.
Camping for concerts has also become out of hand. Before, you could get barricade if you showed up three hours before. Now people are camping for DAYS, sometimes even a WEEK for artists like Harry Styles or K-Pop Groups. It’s not only unsafe, it’s also disruptive and just unnecessary to go through.
Yes! And it really depends on the artist. I actually went to a farewell tour for a band I love that broke up, showed up an hour before doors open and was literally in the front row. I went to see Dreamcatcher and showed up three hours early, was in the second half of the line (it was also over 90 degrees f out) and people had been camping out since the night before at the front. They seriously shouldn't be allowed to do that, for their own safety and for the sake of the venue and other fans. We were so far in the back that sometimes I could only see the group through someone's phone screen.
Yes I’m used to showing up maybe a few hours early to get close but fuck lately the last 2 concerts those people must’ve been there a long time, now my friend and I are wondering if we should get there like hours earlier
nah theres no way you could get barricade for harry styles or kpop shows if you showed up three hours early before covid. no fricking way!
Seriously - I went to Day6 in Berlin (actually pre-pandemic) and a girl fainted next to me mid-concert bc she'd been in line for so long before without eating, drinking or dressing warmly enough... It's really not safe to be in line for hours, especially if you don't plan properly, and it's obviously not worth it if you end up fainting and missing half the show !!
This has gotten so out of hand that I saw last week someone showed up to wait outside WALMART at 7:30 PM the night before Joe Jonas was coming to meet people for an hour!! from 1-2 PM to promote his new alcoholic beverage
something i’ve noticed with some younger fans is that they’ll barely engage with the concert. they’ll be texting the whole time, talking about random stuff, take selfies etc. i went to mcr and got weird looks for singing along and dancing, i was so confused, esp since it was a rock show.
omg that's bs!!! if i was able to go to the swarm tour i'd be singing every word😭😭
you went to fucking mcr and people weren’t paying attention? jesus christ
imagine being at that tour and not paying attention wtf
I went to an MCR show too, and I noticed that the millennial crowd were so much more energetic and engaged than the fans around my age (I'm a teenager). They would be singing, standing, swaying, dancing... The people around my age were sitting, not singing, not moving, on their phones during the opener's set AND mcr 's... I felt like I was being judged by them for actually having fun.
Us MCR fans from Europe were making fun of US shows when gerard had to tell them to move their hands up and down. In EU people were singing along at every show, I know at mine everybody was!
In France we can't resell concert tickets for a higher price and it works pretty well. Ticketmaster resell site does comply with the legislation as well
Also we didn't have dynamic pricing for the eras tour and the most expensive ticket (except for VIPs) was 250€ which is expensive but nothing compared to the US prices
@@elise8559 at that rate it would be cheaper to fly to France, get a nosebleeds taylor swift ticket then fly back than get a good seat in the US cuz I think tickets for eras were easily 1k+
I believe it's an EU regulation. Same for the dynamic prices. I can't imagine having it any other way o.o
@@elise8559 For some reason Mexico prices are wildly inflated too: A radio commenter recently made the calculation that it was cheaper to fly to the UK, paperwork included, pay for the hotel and see Blackpink in the UK, than to pay for front row tickets for Blackpink in Mexico
@@missstorrm yea I believe so as well!! I know that for Harry's love on tour we had what Ticketmaster called "platinium tickets" which I believe is pretty similar to dynamic pricing :(((((( But Ticketmaster should definitely be investigated in regards to EU competition law
It’s weird b/c I’m gen z & going to concerts was always on my bucket list when I was younger. Now, it’s damn near impossible. The cost of 2-3mos rent for tickets to still only be able to view them on a LARGE SCREEN(just like you can at home) is asinine. Not too mention the trampeding affect becoming the norm since the astroworld fatalities. Concerts are basically now for the aesthetic-not the music. Ppl are literally going brok or in deep debt to get the perfect outfit, perfect pics etc. concert culture will die soon just like club culture b/c once again….social/media/tech/cell phones ruined it!!!
I don't mean to be rude, but maybe you need to expand perhaps not only your music taste, but your idea of what a concert needs to be like. If you are finding the mainstream, large, and very expensive concerts unappealing, perhaps a small venue, which concerts typically range from $15-50, would be more your speed. So many amazing musicians play smaller gigs all the time. I have plenty of gripes with scalpers and ticketmaster, but you don't have to deal with that for smaller shows, or even festivals. I've even been given tickets to really cool things because they weren't sold out and someone didn't want the ticket to go to waste. So just saying... not sure which artists are supposedly charging people 2-3 months rent to see them live, but that's atrocious, and certainly not the norm.
I'm also gen z... I'm going to assume you live in the US based on the ticket prices but as someone who lives in the UK that is not normal 😭 I'm going to a concert next month and for 2 people our tickets were £40, like the other commenter said, maybe try seeing smaller artists and trying new things, even going to small venues is such a wonderful experience, I've had the best times at small gigs
aw bb there is hope, go to local music, go to festivals, go to artists that aren't in the top 40. There are definitely still good concert experiences out there. I live in Alaska and just went to Sacred Acre, a phenomenal EDM fest we have here, I know they have plenty of similar fests in the lower US. For concerts find whatever city is in driving/bus distance from you, it will have local music scenes at smaller venues, go to some shows, see if you like anyone. Your closest city will also have larger concert venues, look to see who will be playing throughout the year, find artists in genres you like and listen to see if you like anyone. And there's good experiences for bigger artists too, like my friend happened to be in Seattle when Rico Nasty was playing a few months ago and got to see her and said it was great! She also found an underground rave! I was sooo jealous 😭Don't lose hope.
@@avsuskyy'all are not helpful just telling them to go to some local concert of bands they don't like
@@bettylovesnextlevelyou are rude and not helpful at all. None of what uou said addresses the actual problem.
I do think it's worse, it's like people forgot how to behave outside. Even going to the movies, people will NOT S T F U. I have to CONSTANTLY shush both adults and teenagers having full blown conversations at normal voice volume in the middle of an effing movie. This had NEVER happened to me before the pandemic, and now it's a constant every time I go see a movie.
It didn’t just happen overnight - before the pandemic I saw 50+ movies a year and I can speak of countless experiences of ringing phones and other noise, fanboying, fucking VAPING… I’d blame it on the Barca lounger multiplexes making people feel too comfortable but I’ve even seen people treat art houses like their living rooms
I know right! it’s making it so hard to enjoy going to the movies anymore
This is nothing new. Even 20 years ago theaters would have PSA videos about not talking, silencing your cell phone, etc during the previews. It's just confirmation bias because people talk about it on social media all the time, so when we see it in real life, we notice it more.
my bf and i were sitting behind an elderly couple at the movies recently and they talked through the whole thing. they were also hard of hearing so they were talking loudly as they couldn't hear each other, or the movie. my bf and i were both asking them to quiet down and so was some other man, and they couldn't really hear us either. ridiculous lol
@@TMJW I still think three years inside affected things. I've also watched countless movies on the cinema, I am almost 26 after all lmfao
I think that Boygenius is such an interesting band to be involved in this, solely because of the fans. I went to one of their gigs and at this particular one the band had a native hold a land acknowledgment. The crowd would not stop cheering as he detailed stories of horrific colonization, and he was obviously very uncomfortable with the response. It was a really cool thing for them to do, but unfortunately wasn’t given as much attention as it should have.
There were also fans who screamed 5+ times, "LUCY, take my flag!!" and she would glance over at them and obviously ignore it. In my opinion the combination of TikTok echo chambers and niche communities really lends itself to turn into this monster of a crowd. Everyone ends up thinking that because they’re in this group that their behavior is excusable, whether it be of how big of a fan they’re trying to be, or what TikTok told them was okay, or trying to garner similar attention that they saw someone else get popular for.
I was super worried about shitty fan behavior at the Boygenius show I went to, and was shocked at how polite people ended up being. The crowd was silent and respectful during the land acknowledgement and had a standing ovation when he finished. Very little weird fan behavior during the show, too.
I saw Phoebe Bridgers the year before and... Gotta say, I don't think I'll ever see her again live. The fans were insane and exactly what you described.
My favorite part of the BG concert is the sheer lack of self awareness during Bite the Hand. Every single person at barricade is *exactly* who the song is about. Absolute nightmare people.
Shows feel like they're being treated as clout generation by a larger subsection of fans recently.
Makes it really hard to enjoy a show when I'm on the rail and a girl squad mobs around me to do selfies.
I know it's all the way upfront but if you're gonna crowd me that hard, can you at least enjoy the show?
Honestly this reminds me of how some fandoms engage with their particular mediums. I was super into homestuck as a teen and horrible toxic fan behavior was excused as “omg homestuck sucks and we’re all so quirky 😵💫😝” truly reminiscent of the lacking boundaries between celebrities and their fans as well as kpop artists and other musicians. Hopefully something changes cause this isn’t it :/
ooooooffff thats ROUGH
I went to a Phoebe concert last year, and the fans were insane! The parasocial relationship was out of control. She is one of my fave artists, but I honestly don't want to go to another show if it's going to be like that. They were so obsessive with her. It was really off putting and sad because she was great, but I don't want to see her or boygenius if it's going to be like that
i was at the london boygenius gig. one person insisted shoved me back so that their three late friends could take my place and then accused me (queer) of being homophobic for protesting, and threatened to knock me out. the other people were lovely but i have definitely noticed the huge rise in entitlement - i suspect that they are emboldened by online echochambers
I'm so sorry that sounds awful! I was at the same gig and had plenty of polite people around my friends and I, the only issues was someone with egregious B.O. It is wild how different parts of the crowd could be so different
that sounds awful! sorry you had to go through that :( weaponising a marginalised status for something so inconsequential is super scummy
@@Eva-wm7phnot the egregious BO 😭😭 but also there's always someone in the crowd funking it up I swear lol
That’s horrible. People like that need to be booted out of concerts.
oh I had the worst experience at boygenius in london!!! I mainly went to see ethel but got so overwhelmed and overstimulated due to the endless talking i left after hayden's set- was so sad to miss muna and boygenius
the amount of people who filmed their own reactions the entire Eras tour show was CTAZY. a girl in front of me made her friend take pictures of her during every song. it was wild and
kind of upsetting
That's depressing
It’s just so attention seeking
thankfully i didn't experience any terrible fans at the eras tour. the only weird thing was that taylor swift does "surprise songs" during the show and the girl next to me didn't get the surprise songs she wanted and she was pouting and upset the rest of the show. she was loudly complaining about it during the surprise songs and after and then left the concert early. very strange.
this whole culture of "winning" and "losing" shows based on small occurrences like surprise songs is soooo weird to me. Can people not just be happy about the theoretically once in a lifetime show happening in front of them? It's like if they don't get a clip to make their TikTok go viral, it was a waste of a night
Just wait till the theatre experience
For the eras tour
At a John Mayer show, a guy on a date behind me asked me why I would ever go to a concert alone. John closed with “Gravity” (before encores) and the guy tells his girl, “I hate this song. Let’s go” and they left. He answered his own question - as to why I go alone. 😒
This is indeed weird behavior. There are literally like 42 other songs on the setlist - there's no way you attended just to potentially see "good" surprise songs.
That's definitely uncalled for, but I notice there are people online who have that same behavior and put waaaay to much weight on the surprise song section. I love it, but you cannot be guaranteed to get one that you like.
Everyone around me at my eras tour showing were really great as well and not 🦅
I was at The Weeknd's concert this summer and, honestly, the main reason I tried to push as near to the stage as possible was because EVERYONE had their huge smartphones up and recording. I was a few rows away from the stage yet I watched almost half of the concert through other people's phones or trying to position my head so I could see between the screens. I was a few meters away from the barricade yet all I could see were screens.
I'll never forget when in the middle of the concert the lights went off (it was a minute-long pause) and everyone put their phones down. I realized I could see the stage perfectly and that I was indeed very close to it. And I thought to myself "wow we could all have a great experience if the phones were down".
Of course I took a few short videos myself, but altogether they're about 6 minutes long. Meanwhile some people recorded each and every song. They didn't even sing or jump, just had their phones in the air. I would never want to experience a concert solely through my phone screen.
"yet I watched almost half of the concert through other people's phones" idk why but that sentence just killed me 😭😭
Floor seats suck everyone’s pushing and jamming their huge phones in the way to record. Concert experience get ruined when everyone started having cameras in their pocket Wish I was six feet but being a short girl sucks ass when other girls have their huge boyfriends recording the entire time and they dance with their hands in your face with their phone too.
honestly i understand filming a concert bc a lot of us can only go to one and i have an awful memory and love to rewatch my videos but put ur phone the same level as ur head and then everybody else behind u can see better aswell, i had the same experience at harry styles but i had no choice but to put my phone up higher like everyone else’s so i could atleast see harry through my screen😭
@@jinjinjiniya 😒 so you were also actively blocking everyone’s view? My memory sucks too but I’m not about to be that person at the concert I’m going to soon. Grow up
@@tessafalconer4616 do u need to ask a question when the answer is already in the comment? 😛
A few years ago, Nine Inch Nails went on tour and only sold tickets at the venue. No online sales, you had to line up to get them. It sounded like a great solution but ended up being such a mess. In my city, it was 90 degrees with no shade around the venue. A few people needed medical attention. Because the theater wasn't used to this kind of sales, they didn't have the staff in the box office that was needed for that many people, making it take much longer than expected.
Plus anyone who couldn't dedicate an entire day to it just didn't get to participate - I was privileged enough to be able to schedule my work hours that day and still almost didn't make my closing shift at 5 pm (I'd been in line since 6 am). So it still discriminates against disabled and low income people, just in a more physical way instead of purely monetary.
@@anniemouse1739 yeah I’m disabled and chronically ill, I would literally die if I tried to do that. To be fair that’s also why I just don’t attend concerts in general, they’re not accessible on top of the pricing and ticket buying nightmare
Also, the problem with this is that you need to live near the venue. I live in the rural North of Ireland, 4 hours away from Dublin where most concerts are and 3 hours from Belfast, with no record shops anywhere nearby. If it wasn’t for online tickets, I wouldn’t be able to go to ANYTHING at all, and only people with regular and easy access to cities would be able to go.
That sounds bad but we used to line up at record stores in the mid to late 90's. I don't recall any issues and it usually went pretty quickly. Maybe 2 hours at the most. But usually about an hour if I recall correctly. We also got them at other Ticketmaster locations or we could call Ticketmaster and get tickets.
At least metal fans haven’t completely lost their minds yet with entitlement at shows. I’ve been to 5 shows since lockdown ended and all of them everyone was super nice and everyone still knew how to act. I even brought my service dog to a few of them (the ones I didn’t buy pit tickets for) and everyone was super respectful with her and all the parents corrected their kids after they tried to distract her. One of them an artist called a fan up on stage and everyone helped her up and cheered for her being able to have that opportunity.
The metal concerts I've been to tend to be quite small and I've spotted the same people at different concerts which is nice (and I've met band members without needing to devote money or time). Also just general rules about how to act (moshpits etc) is something I particularly like there. But, regardless of genre there will always be silly people. I'm just glad metal hasn't reached a point where you hear the fans more than the artist but it is always nice to have fans of an obscure band know their songs word for word :)
went to an ice nine kills concert a few weeks ago and tons of people had phones up the whole time blocking the stage view… even had a lady slowly push me out of my small gap i could see through so she could record the whole thing…
I once saw Ozzy Osbourne in the 2010s and it’s not like the US where to us are semiregular. people don’t come to Australia that often. But the concert so disgruntled because it was like no one cared that someone was performing Ozzy fucking Osbourne. I left the concert pretty disgruntled. A lot of people were just chatting throughout the concert you could hear this low murmur and people were just getting drinks all night which is fucking annoying.
I recently went to my 1st metal concert (Poppy!) and honestly it was super fun! Everyone was screaming applauding and hyping up the opening act (who honestly did a fantastic job, she definitely earned my support). The only thing I didn’t like was the mosh pit as it was completely unexpected and most people around weren’t prepared for the mosh pit (we got pushed, trampled and hit…not fun when I’m just trying to enjoy the music). Thankfully there were a few people that were experienced and showed us how to act as a barrier and we all had a great time.
Abt phones, everyone was put except for the people who paid extra for balcony seats. Everyone was pretty close to the stage and honestly I found looking at peoples phones pretty helpful as some performers got down on the stage putting on a great performance (but I could t see haha). For me phones never blocked the view and instead offered me a better view of thing s I wasn’t able to see! Also the sound was so loud so although I and others there were screaming no the lyrics I was able to hear the performers fine (I was barely able to hear myself screaming on the few videos I took lol)
@@hentcai *most metal bands. Anything with commercial success there’s a big chance there’s gonna be issues. Ik after pierce the veil got popular on TikTok a bunch of super disrespectful people showed up. 9 times out of 10 tho, metal fans are gonna be super kind and respectful. There’s unwritten rules at metal shows because of pits and things like that, they make sure nobody gets hurts and everyone is supported.
I have the best time at small, local shows where the main focus is the music, and not the idolisation of those on stage!! Besides that, I really want to say that you’re one of my favourite creators on youtube :) You always upload with captions, have ethical and logical sponsorships that are genuinely interesting and you’re well-paced, not clickbaiting or spamming pictures so people will have to pause and rewind (which helps pushing videos in the algorithm) So, thank you!!
Aw thank you, I’m glad you enjoy them! 💛
I love going to smaller shows. For a fraction of the big show's price you can go to the concert, listen to the music and then even chat with the band. And people don't care how much you scream because everyone's there to have a good time (I go to mostly metal/rock/punk shows and screaming is required lmao)
@@spntageous5249same! I love small and medium sized clubs. I haven't been to an arena in over a decade
I sadly don't really get groups that play music that I like locally. The last time I saw a guy at a local show he'd come from Chicago and only played music from the 50s and Jason Mraz. I like metal and stuff like that, so I go to shows expecting to be roughed up a bit, but to the point where the show isn't enjoyable.
I wa a able to see an amazing group, The Midnight, for like $45 in a city near where I live and we were so close to the band and everyone was so chill/enjoying the concert. I loved it. Definitely worth supporting smaller groups.
I went to a Waterparks show a few months ago, and the crowd was unbearable. They were screaming at the singer, throwing money at him when he told them to stop, and throwing things like bracelets onstage- the guitarist nearly slipped on one. They also kept making lewd comments about the band and screaming them out, and there was absolutely ZERO crowd etiquette. Totally ruined the experience that we spent all day traveling for :(
That fucking sucks ass!!! I'm a massive fan of Waterparks and I even wouldn't have done it, and I saw them twice! I hate that there are fans like this that ruin experiences for people who just want to have a good time! Hoping you can see them again to get a better experience!
whaaaaat? I went to their concert last year in Cologne, Germany and it definitely still had the small punk vibes. Really sad to hear that :(
oh the horror stories ive heard about waterparks crowds 😭 the one i went to was pretty good except for the fact that i don’t remember much of it lmao
I went to a parx show too, and while the crowd at mine wasn't that obnoxiously disrespectful, the people in the section I was in were hardly paying attention to the openers or even parx themselves. They were sitting, staring blankly at the stage or straight up on their phones. I understand checking your phone or taking videos, but that's not what it was. My friend and I were the only people standing, and it felt like people were judging us for it. The people in the standing areas (most of the venue) seemed great, and they were lovely to the openers from what I saw, but my section was probably one of the worst crowds I've been in.
i love them but tbh their fans are the WORST idk why. when i saw them it was the same
When I saw Blackpink at Hyde Park in London it was all standing. 3 dads a few rows in front of us had their sign-holding kids on their shoulders the whole time which created a wall so nobody behind them could see the stage. They just ignored anyone who asked them if they could put their kids down for a bit so we could see.
Also, BTS occasionally stream their concerts in cinemas and it's a great time. The tickets cost a bit more than the average cinema ticket but everyone treats it like a real concert and it's so much fun! More artists should do it!
BTS also does liveplay concerts a lot too, where it’s basically overflow seating in a nearby arena with big screens showing the concert. I’ve heard those are a lot of fun, since it feels as close to an in-person performance as possible-you get to be surrounded by other fans in an actual concert venue, and know that it’s happening in real time.
I was immediately thinking about the bts livestream cinema viewings. But i gotta say - even inside the movie theatre i had to deal with people who were the screaming the ENTIRE TIME. of course it was quite the chill experience and they seemed to be lovely people otherwise but god - both concert etiquette and apparently cinema etiquette are just lost on some people … it’s quite sad
@@NatalieMarie917i would love if more artists did this. I’ve seen many tiktoks of people being able to listen to harry styles gigs from their homes or even looking into the arena taylor was playing from above from their high-storey hotel room window. Where i live, my city’s biggest public park has a concert venue and during the summer concerts there’s always people chilling on the grass outside and listening to the shows, having barbecue and drinking and stuff. I think this would be a great experience for fans of bigger artists too
@@DasDudu the cinemas actually gave permission to scream during the live viewing. Many people asked beforehand. Next time just know that that’s something to expect, or go during an early viewing on Sunday if that’s an option at your local theater.
i also had a similar experience while watching blackpink perform in Stade de France - two little girls (about 9/10 years old by their apperances) at the pit were blocking everyone because they stood up on their seats and all of the concertgoers who were behind them could barely see the stage, even though a lot of people screamed "SIT DOWN" both in french and in english, it was so annoying that it ruined my entire experience (fyi, i am 5'10 and i was wearing heels)
To share a more positive concert experience, I saw Harry Styles last summer and about halfway through the show I fainted from overheating. Overall quite a traumatic experience for myself and my partner (who had to carry me out to get medical attention) BUT the fans around us were so amazing! One fan followed us out, carrying all of our stuff for us. And when I was cleared to go back inside we got up to our seats and everyone asked if I was okay. An usher followed us up and offered for us to sit somewhere quieter so we followed him back out and a fan (having not heard the convo, and thinking I was getting kicked out) started chanting “let her stay! let her stay!” 😂
This is so cute!!! I also had a really good experience seeing Harry Styles in Slane last summer. The crowd was on a steep hill and people were helping strangers get back up the hill afterwards. Very wholesome :))))
My mom always tells me the story about when her friend fainted at a concert and everyone assumed she was on drugs or drinking, when really she was having a medical emergency. They all were kicking her, stepping on her, punching her, pushing her, etc. Yelling mean things and saying she should "know her limits" and "know when to stop drinking". my mom is a small woman, trying to carry her (presumably larger) friend through a crowd who was actively ANGRY at her friend's state of unconsciousness. She said it was absolutely terrifying. (This was probably the 90s)
Another interesting nuance in this topic is the genre of music of the artist in question. From what I've seen, more rock focused or "heavier" artists tend to have better etiquette in their concerts. I feel like this is even shown with the fact that two of Tiffany's examples of artists standing up for their fans were The Cure and Nine Inch Nails. Obviously this is not a hard and fast rule that the heavier the concert = the more concert etiquette, but it's just an interesting idea.
These genres are also not super popular at the moment (compared to pop/ hip hop), so maybe people who go to these shows are less casual concert goers and more immersed in the music
I think it might be that those genres foster a closer sense of community being that they're more countercultural than the mega popular pop acts, and many of the people there are going to be veteran concert goers who set the tone for everyone else
Both these bands have always been known as being part of a subculture, not really mainstream (even though both have had some success that reached beyond that.) I think it’s the alternative ethos here. @haveialigned makes a good point about the community of fans that forms for less mainstream genres.
I think there must be something to this. We went to see one of my husband's favorite bands with two other couples and had floor tickets, and the only negative fan behavior I remember was a guy bumping me a couple times. I was wondering what he was doing and my husband explained he was trying to start a circle pit and not getting the memo that no one else was interested. My husband and the other two guys in our group made a protective wall behind us ladies and then the rest of the time was without incident.
I’ve been going to rock, indie and alternative shows for over 15 years and 90% of the time I’ve had wonderful experiences. Actually most of the bad experiences happened at pop punk shows where the audience was quite young and admiring of the … Boys In The Band, if i may say so (i am also guilty of that haha). It was also hell in the front rows there sometimes, but i also feel that the heavier the music, the nicer the people? I’ve never met nicer people in the mosh pit than it did at metal/hardcore shows, I’ll be honest 😅
My mother and aunt were working class single moms in the 90s. Just by virtue of living in a border city where a lot of shows play, they were able to see a truly incredible number of shows by artists we could only dream of. Mum says recreating this would be impossible in 2023 unless you're wealthy. I am much more financially stable than she was at my age, and I certainly couldn't pay for it.
She's right. I went to so many concerts in the mid to late 90's and early 00's and it was very affordable to me when I was working a part-time job after school. Today most ticket prices are insane.
For real. My parents and I just saw Bruce Springsteen, and tickets were around $200 each. My parents had each been to like 5 Springsteen shows in the 80s, and tickets were $15.
Were the acts they were seeing as big of a deal when they were seeing them though? Yes, prices have gone up across the board, but partially this is just the natural progression of artists, if you see a lot of them. Some of them will fade into obscurity, some will get BIG, and no surprise seeing all of those again today would be totally unaffordable, duh. While even smaller shows have gotten more expensive, that's totally replicable today. You just have to stay informed and see up and coming acts, not established ones that fill arenas. What used to be a 15-20€ concert in 2010 here is now a 25-30€ concert. Sucks but in no way does that put it out of range of most people. "Concert culture" has never primarily been about seeing the biggest acts in arenas.
@@ska042 Obviously not every act was a mega super star, but many were! And at festivals, you could see a bit of everything for prices that would make us green with envy. My mother isn't very old - I am 28 and she is 45 (had me young). That's a vast change in a relatively short amount of time.
For my birthday my parents got me Elton John tickets for his Farewell tour--once in a lifetime thing for me and I was so excited. There were two folks on a first date who got wasted in front of us and they were so obnoxious and rude. They weren't even there for the music. Totally brought me out of the magical experience and I'm so sad to this day. They were older---probably Gen X'ers 🙄
Gen Xrs are terrible
@@manicpepsicola3431We really aren't.
@@Chazzmatazzagreed. I think this is one of the things I hate most about the labeling of generations: gross generalizations.
@@ChazzmatazzI’m Gen X!
whatever @@manicpepsicola3431 XD
I'm a millenial with boomer taste in music. I've been to some boomer concerts post lock down: Hall and Oates, Earth Wind and Fire, Kenny Loggins, Todd Rundgren, and Ambrosia. I had a great time, the crowd had good ettiquette some people got drunk but just were drunk and singing and dancing not disruptive. I also love boomer concerts because they sit 90% of the time and I got bad knees 😅
I'm a die-hard Taylor Swift fan, and have been since she first appeared on the music scene entirely. I am appalled at the lack of etiquette, at concerts and otherwise, that many of my fellow Swifties have. There's different artists I love, but I have never experienced more "I paid just as much as if not more than you, so I can do whatever I want at this concert (and now movie screening), even if it dampens your experience", than I have with other Taylor fans this last year. It's not hard for me to see anymore, why people look at her following like we're all psychopaths. And I'd imagine she'd be a bit embarrassed about some of our behavior, deep down. It all makes me want nothing to do with her live performances anymore, just because of other fans. Nothing can really justify their behavior to me.
I'm sorry it was like that! Our show in Kansas City was pretty good, like I didn't see anyone being super rude, but we weren't on the floor so that could be another story.
I had a really good experience all of the other fans were respectful and kind and there was lots of bracelet trading and complimenting outfits etc. I was on the floor and there were some people who got wasted in front of me but even they were okay as they mostly just cried on each other.
That’s sad. I was lucky my section was completely chill but I’m sure for the floor people it was awful.
Don't get me started on the movie etiquette. I want to take my 70 year old dad to see the movie because he likes Taylor too but not if the audience is going to be screaming swear words and dancing down the aisles. I've seen posts online with people being like "the movie is a concert experience so I'm going to treat it like a concert because that's what Taylor wanted 🤪" and it makes me want to just not go at all.
@@jalapeno1119 as a reference for what to expect from a cinema show, since I know for many people it's new: 15 years ago I went to a movie show of Hatsune Miku Magical Mirai and we all treated as if it was a real life show. We dressed up, sang together and there were even ballons that we were trowing around that sometimes blocked the projector if it went too high. Nobody was sitting but we were in front of our chairs, not in the corridors.
I know it sounds strange because its a Movie Teather and it's a place where normally people stay quiet but it will never be quiet if it's a concert.
I once bought tickets to a concert and their method of presale was a code given by Spotify. They sent top percentage of listeners a presale code and let the rest fight it out afterwards in a general sale. I think that'd be the most fair situation. You listen to the artist, you get priority. I wish they'd do that more (and expand it to more music platforms).
Fantastic idea but all the streaming services do need taken into consideration. I use UA-cam music and it’s never taken into consideration 😂
I like if there was some of that and some for membership holders (to the artist fanclub)
@@Courtneyburns90Agreed! I don’t like Spotify, there’s UA-cam
I bought Jonas brothers tickets last month through a presale. They aren’t the most popular in Ireland but I got a presale code as I was with 3 the phone company and the concert is in 3 arena which I thought was fair enough like if u happened to have supported that company then u get rewarded I guess, there was about 1000 in the queue but moved super quickly and I got 3 tickets for €300 (in total not each). Anyway I think the Spotify way sounds great except that i only became a massive fan a month or 2 before they announced the tour so I wouldn’t have qualified which would have crushed me
@@Eja132 even presales don’t work all the time 😔 I’m a co-op member so I got presale access for Olivia Rodrigo. Was on half an hour before in the waiting room and by the time I got through they had all sold out. So disappointed ☹️ Fantastic you got your tickets though!
I’ve been to some mid-level popular concerts since COVID, and they’ve been fine. I think there’s definitely an entitlement difference - but I’ve found it’s more malicious in Gen X and Boomers… and more just cluelessness with Gen Z. My mother will KNOW she’s in someone’s way, and doesn’t care. My sister has 0 spatial awareness and will apologize profusely after spilling three drinks and stepping on toes 😅
@@DeterminationInspiration-pj2oi how can you generalize your entire generation like that? 😂
@unfortunatelyiamsane I'm SO sick of this generational stereotyping. I mean, what is it even based on?
@@DeterminationInspiration-pj2oihey, where did you get such detailed info on what a certain age group did NOT learn? How could that even be assessed in a such a large group? What about the variables involved (location, socioeconomic status, family steucture, etc.)? I'd like to know what type of institution/professional would make such wide-ranging claims and what they based it on. Cause it just looks like you made up bs to me. Some people are raised shitty in EVERY generation.
Ticketmaster needs to be broken up, as you said. Season ticket holders who resell at a higher price are a huge problem as well. More states need to make it a law that resale tickets have to be sold at face value (vote in your local elections!!) BTS thankfully did not overpriced their tickets, it's TM and resellers who do that. And unfortunately, many fans don't realize that's the case.
The toxic fandoms are so gross and really ruin the enjoyment of artists for me especially with gatekeeping. A bunch of teenagers or ppl acting like teenagers deciding who is a “real fan” when no one gets to decide that. I get it’s just ppl trying to control something in a world where everything is insane but consideration of other people is just completely gone now. The “what if everyone behaved this way” is such a great rule of thumb
Given the current social media landscape and it’s impact on our society and perceptions, I totally get your position. Part of me though wonders if this could be an overreaction to typical dumb*ss teenage behavior, that which spans all generations. A sort of satanic panic, but to young adult tastes. I was like that as a 2010ish teen, but I wasn’t on Twitter. But I totally judged people at shows if they weren’t as fan like, once shot a woman a dirty look for not knowing the lead singers name for the headlining band when I overheard her asking her friends behind me. I cringe so hard thinking back, both bc it was aggressive/ weird af and bc as a 29 yr old now, I look at that behavior from teens at shows and just laugh, it’s too funny. With rent, work, student loans etc the last thing to affect is the opinion of a teen that lives at home 🤣🤣
@@loune3799 very true that we didn't have something semi-permanent and public to post these kinds of thoughts to. I think the internet has given people more of an opportunity to gather, have kind of more of a mob mentality in a space with like minded people which maybe in the pre-social media era you only had people you knew in your area or social group or maybe an online forum or chat online if you were lucky enough to have internet. Social Media definitely heightens and strengthens this, the only problem is they're now given basically a loudspeaker and can actually bully people online vs just bullying people in person or getting into a confrontation at the concert or something. It's weird tho cause when I was younger and going to a concert, my POV was like... hey we all have something in common, we're here and either like the artist or we're just interested in seeing music and that's cool. But I'm also not really a joiner and don't care about being the ultimate fan or whatever. But I feel like the discourse around "you're not a real fan you don't deserve to get tickets, you should let real fans have them!" is pretty new even still and definitely bots / scalpers or whatever have only added to this by making concerts more of a cutthroat thing
ticket companies have become SO shady. For Stray Kids in Australia, they did a 'presale', only to announce that they sold ALL the tickets for that day during the presale and added a new date for the general sale. However, some people could only go on that day and therefore missed their chance. Clearly, they just wanted to check if enough people would purchase but the fact they are allowed to mislead us like that is astounding.
That is a shit thing to do. For the SUGA | Agust D tour, at least they said „this is a presale and we will have another general sale if this one doesn’t sell out“. Of course it sold out within minutes, but still: people who did not get a presale code were warned that they might not be able to get one at all.
Sometimes it’s the venue that makes them do that, though. They want artists to demonstrate that it’ll be profitable before they allow them to take up multiple dates.. especially if they don’t have a ton of history touring in a particular country or in a venue of that size.
@@NatalieMarie917 that's still an issue though. Both the venue and ticket vendor should have a responsibility to be transparent. They specifically stated that there would be a limited amount of tickets sold in the presale, however they then sold out that entire date. That ended up being a complete lie. It's shady. I understand the venue might not want to add dates if it's not popular, but they could have made it clear that presale tickets would be sold until [specified date] or if the allocation was exhausted. And then if allocation exhausted, will consider adding another date. Nowadays, it seems to just be their thing to pretend it's a traditional 'presale' (ie. limited tickets) but it's actually basically just a general sale to scope out the popularity - with the main issue being that they don't actually tell the fans this before the sale.
people always say that GenZ doesnt know how to behave in public, and yet at my job its ALWAYS the older people that give us attitude and problems.
Yep. In retail, it’s the older generations that are the most entitled nightmares to deal with; I’ve RARELY ever had an issue with millennials or Gen Z people.
"What do you mean my coupon isn't working?? Digi- huh?? I'm not downloading the app to get my coupon!! I don't have an email on my google account!"
It all depends on individual upbringing, regardless of whatever generation you come from.
You are right. I am a nurse and I have to say, the boomer generation is totally rude, entitled and demanding. They treat us like servants. They are the worst. When I was a server, it was the same. So rude, demanding and entitled.
Unbelievably rude.
@@cradio52I work in the medical field and same.
being an older genz fan involved with artists generally liked by younger genz fans is really rough. i try to empathize with them because this is a lot of their first concerts but the lack of respect for the people around them is insane!! i feel like i’m too old to be in the pit for shows now and i’m only 21 😭
Very relatable
‘Older gen-z’ 🤣
Sweetie stop trying to age yourself, you’re a kid, come to terms with it.
Trying to seem or feel older than your peers doesn’t make you more mature or interesting.
@@themarquis336 considering the youngest gen z are 9 years old…yeah 21 is a big difference
@@kierandazzo You’re right. You’re barely old enough to vote, you’re so aged and wise!! 🤣😂
@themarquis336 way to put words into someone's mouth. Most people think of children or teens when they think of Gen z, I'm 21 and I have a full time job and my own apt, completely different place and maturity level than a teenager. Not as mature as you, I'm sure.
I recently went to see a chill folk artist with my husband on a Monday night. Half the venue was drunk and just talking over the performer the whole time. It really ruined the experience for us.
yeah a friend's mathy midwest emo band was playing at a taco bar near us, (we're VERY RURAL btw) and the respect wasn't there. Gotta be picky with venues, even when you're starting. They only got some quiet and respect when they started playing a cover from Nimrod lol.
I’ve been on the floor for every Beyoncé concert since 2013 and I never spent over $400. The floor seats this year were like $900 and then the fees.
The last time I went to a big concert I had someone (who I assume maybe worked for a fan site or something as she had a truly MASSIVE camera) several times tried to use my head as a tripod. I could not see, not because everyone was all just taller than me, but because it was a sea of arms that stayed up recording the ENTIRE time. And at one point, one of the singers, trying to interact with the audience, pointed the mic toward some of us in the front for us to sing, and looked really disappointed when those people just recorded him and didn't interact at all...
I've been to some smaller shows and those I prefer. Also pop concerts tend to be the worst behavior ways.
next time you see a fan site bring it up to security - they sneak those cameras in cause they aren’t actually allowed to have them inside most venues. i’ve seen tons of fans sites get kicked out of concerts once security realizes what they’re doing
@@gardenvariety1I agree. Definitely report it to security if you can. They’re not allowed to have those cameras, and they’re probably doing it for a profit. And they sometimes do really shady & ruthless things to get a good spot in GA.
The “verified fan” BS is insane. For Twice’s ready to be tour, my mom and I signed up for the verified fan thing (both our Ticketmaster accounts have bought twice tickets in the past as well as purchase history for many other concerts) and then my boyfriend decided to make a Ticketmaster account the last day of the verified fan sign up to sign up as well. Out of the three of us, he was the only one of us to get a verified fan code. Still got my tickets, but that made zero sense to me.
I belong to a generation that when you went to a concert, they double checked that there was no cameras in your bags and you weren’t allowed to take videos or photography… my friends and I had a good laugh about it the other day because the phones and cameras we were trying to use back then took horrible photos compared to what is out there now.
I mean from a marketing perspective I understand why the artist allow people to record because even buy seeing the concert there’s still FOMO and it doesn’t stop fans from wanting to go .
I think the issue now is less the photos or videos than the live video streaming. John Mayer finally made an Instagram plea/warning earlier this year that live steaming is unfair to the artist, others at the concert and fans who want to go to a future show. Instagram shut down lots of live streaming efforts at the shows immediately after that, including locking fan accounts. I am reasonably sure that the high ticket prices are in place now just to pay for lawyers.
Yeah, and artists were so concerned about "bootlegging" (i.e. recording the concert audio), when people these days record the whole thing, including the visuals, in much better quality. 😄
I paid £70 to see Taylor Swift in 2015 and I thought that was expensive enough 😅 I was freshly out of university so that felt like an irresponsible amount of my small bank account to spend - when I heard about the eras tour I was so excited to see her again but was floored at how much higher the prices were!
That was probably her best work lol. album wise
My friend spent 285€ each ticket for us, she said she was panicking with the possibility of sold out (even though she had an early access) so she immediately bought the VIP ones😅. Thank god the concert ticket is going to be gifted as a birthday/Christmas and paid by my parents or else I would go bankrupt 😂
I spend $40 to see her in a tiny venue in Melbourne.
I just paid $300 and something for Eras.
My oh my how times have changed.
It's been wild being a fan this whole time. I used to get teased for liking Taylor Swift and now she's completed world domination.
It may seem weird that I’m a Cure fan and a Swift fan, but yeah Robert Smith did what he could for fans for not just ticket prices but also low merch prices. I wish more artists would do this.
Same. I really like the music from both, but Taylor Swift's concert, for her, imo, it's a business exchange when it comes to the tickets. She and her team know that no matter the amount of problems in the ticket buying process, people will still praise her and go to extremes for a chance of attending her tour. I tried helping my friends to buy tickets for the eras tour here at Brazil and we didn't even get to see the buying page. It was only the waiting list, for 2 days. It's kinda disappointing being a Taylor's fan, because she often benefits profit over experience and will not use her power or at least try helping her fans like Robert Smith did. That's why I try keeping only with her music and not her persona
@@lorotacaradepipocaBullshit. Her tour before this probably had the best system for buying tickets (Ask ANY fan who bought tickets for the reputation tour, not the articles). But ticketmaster hasn't used that system since then for a reason. And YOU didn't get to see the buying page because of the insane demand. How is that her fault??
@@idontevenhaveapla7224you do realize she lowered her pricing for the reputation tour to make sure it sold out? She had many haters during that time which caused the prices to go down
can recommend Louis Tomlinson for that too! he tries to make sure his concerts are afforable all around (most I paid was like 70euro for standing, seating is the same or lower) and his merch has pieces in all price ranges cos he knows what it's like to not be able to spend too much on things you love! and he's a Cure fan, so maybe got some inspo there too :D
I feel like toxic online culture has really had a big part in this too. Fandoms became huge during the pandemic cause everyone was stuck inside, and now people think they can act how they want at concerts or shows because they’re “fans”.
13:55 as for fees and stuff, it’s bad. I am going to wrestlemania and found FLOOR SEATS for $900 (over 2 nights). I got 3 of them. I should have paid $2500 but with Ticketmaster fees I paid over THREE GRAND. It’s RIDICULOUS.
You’re exactly right. Twitter blew up during Covid for the different fandoms and the swifties were especially obnoxious. It created toxic parasocial relationships. I’m a swiftie but I didn’t let the Twitter shenanigans drive me to buy 2k nosebleed seats. I waited for the movie instead. My friends who went to the eras tour now can’t afford the movie lmao
the one thing i strongly disagree with is People miraculously forgetting how to act just because we social distanced for two years. That also doesn’t take into account the people who act like that, and just, didn’t follow guidelines. Babies and kids I can almost understand - they’re young, and there’s no guarantee that everyone’s parents explained things well and kept them occupied. but if it was a pandemic thing then everyone would be affected, not just a few right? It’s sounding more like an excuse
@@buckyyyb you make a really good point
@@brecatanese4329 thank you very much!
Havent watched the video yet, but as someone who has only been to one concert, which was a vocaloid one in japan.... the experience was so different from what I expected. silence, besides a few moments in the songs where you shouted alongside the character (no signal as well, just people knowing the key moments of songs). when the characters are not singing it is common to yell "yeah, yeah!" to the beat. after the end of the song everyone screams together and that's it. and I wont even talk about the lightstick synchronization.... suffice to say I don't think I could ever go to a normal concert.
i think concert etiquette/culture in japan in general is very different from the etiquette in the western world
@@na140every piece of etiquette in Japan seems different! I was shocked how different everything is. They look at you like you're committing child murder if you talk on the train. 😅
no joke, that sounds lit as fuck. Hatsune Miku my beloved ♡
I hope they bring back the IRL MikuExpo concerts next year. I want to experience those so badly.
@@kieransky i dont know about mikuexpo but the concert i was at was last month's magical mirai in osaka! so live concerts are definitely back
To buy kpop concert tickets, you basically have to be a member of the official fanclub (the one I joined cost about $30) to get tickets to a concert. There's a digital queue system but seat selection is a real fight. Thankfully though, because your ticket is tied to your ID, there is no reselling!
My company paid for a private concert of Imagine Dragon in 2018.
They played just for us and I was so excited.
One dude had his phone up and planned on live streaming it to his son. I stared arguing with him until he stopped (about 10min) and some chicks were screaming because they wanted the singer’s attention.
People had their phone up for the entire concert.
No GenZ there. It was people in their 30s and the father was in his 50s.
People have jerks in concert since forever.
Was his filming necessarily distracting anyone? There's nothing wrong with taken video within itself. Its when its blocking peoples view.
Why you arguing with someone for recording? Mind your business
I mean a private concert by a known band sounds like an opportunity that he wanted to share with his son even though he couldn’t be there in person ! Is it really that bad ?
I just take my hiking camera -- it's like a small gopro with no viewing screen. I haven't been to a huge concert since La Dispute in the mid 2010's though, I just stick to the DIY scene these days. They play house shows and there's good audience etiquette because everyone in the scene talks and it's easy to get blacklisted.
@@reesea7988 lol depending on the situation, YES. If it's not an event where you can just move to another spot that's better, then ABSOLUTELY. Like I'd assume all the better seats were taken by other people and she got stuck behind boomer streamer. Like, a 30 second clip that you upload and maybe doing that once or twice is one thing, but intending to stream the entire concert when there's people behind you who want to see the show for THEMSELVES is really rude. If he wanted to stream it, then he should've been in the back or something. You do not have the right to ruin other people's experience just because you want to do something. If you wanna stream, take seats in the back. Too bad if you want "the best angle". For some people, having various different bright phone screens in their line of view is VERY distracting especially if they're risen so high you can't see past them. It's not ok to ruin someone else's experience because YOU DONT care about their experience. I'm SURE if someone had stood in front of the boomer streamer, he would've flipped out because his son who's not there can't see it. And that's wrong. They really should stop allowing anything that can record to be out. Like hand out black baggies at security checks and have fans put their tech in them. And have security scanning the crowds for screen lights and ask those people to put it away or leave. Like seriously, anytime I've ever tried filming a thing, I couldn't even remember the moment later.
It’s wild seeing people finally talk about how bad Ticketmaster is after the eras tour cause getting BTS tickets in 2021 was a NIGHTMARE! When they said there wasn’t gonna be a general sale and then another time no verified fan sale EITHER (only member of the official fan club sale) during the Agust D show I felt like we were yelling into the void. Glad everybody else is catching up 😅
So my college roommate and I(circa 2010) go to every Taylor tour together and as 30 year olds we decided that this was our last tour because it’s not fun when tickets are so expensive we have to each have family conversations about the amount of money spent. Also we don’t live near each other so doing this with each other is a task. I feel like concerts were the experience that everyone USED to be able to afford in lieu of vacations but now it’s the same and neither are in my budget. So.. sad day but I guess we can watch the next tours in movies lol
This. Concert tickets cost so much now that it requires family discussions on budgeting. That’s why I can’t just go to whatever events I want, and if my friends don’t understand that’s ok. I’d rather have an emergency fund.
my best concert experience was seeing Weyes Blood for a $20 ticket, the show was transcendent and I got to meet her after where she signed my records! I always advocate people to get into indie artists for that reason alone, it's so much easier on the wallet and you have a much better experience all around. I can't imagine spending over $1000 on nosebleeds, like at some point nothing is going to live up to the price you pay and it's gonna dampen the experience.
10 years ago I went to my first arctic monkey's concert, it was also my first concert in a big venue and my first concert with friends without my parents, so I was really excited. We queued for hours and ran straight to the front to get a good spot, watched the support acts patiently, only for 5 mins before AM were meant to start a huge rush of people pushed into the crowd (I mean like hundreds of people pushing through not just a small group) and I was pushed to the back, getting split up from my friends and not being able to see or hear the stage because of how many people were stood in front.
It was a bit shit and put me off going to concerts in big venues (I still don't enjoy big crowds or arena concerts) but it was only £30, and that was still a lot for me as a teenager but it wasn't half my rent or enough to bring me into debt.
I don't think concert etiquette has got that much worse, but there's so much riding on having a good time due to how much people have spent they care a lot less about everyone else having a good time.
Honestly, I saw arctic monkeys in Japan this year and the rushing and pushing in the crowd was wild - I go to a lot of rock/punk/alt concerts and to this day arctic monkeys had probably the most feral crowd
i recently got a ticket to see my fave kpop group in japan. the ticketing process is nerve-wracking because it's lottery based, but at the end of the day the ticket was at a flat fee (and only like $92!) and the results were announced at exactly the time they said they would be. photography and video is not allowed at these shows, and while i was disappointed the first time i went to one, i enjoyed the experience overall more than i would at a show in the US, at least in terms of my stress levels being much lower. buying tickets for a kpop concert through ticketmaster is a headache, and i say that as someone who goes to older groups' shows where i get the tickets relatively easily compared to people trying to see, like, bts or something.
I feel like a difference in culture adds to this, I can guarantee you that if they did a show in LA or literally any other US city, that there would be 0 respecting the no photography or video rule and people would complain about how the raffle system is unfair.
@@delusion5867it works for japan concert goers tho bc theyre used to it. as for the phone thing, i think everybody should do a concert and not film the entire night at least once. I've just been to a concert last week and hardly filmed instead jumping and dancing around and its an entirely better experience
Regarding singing and shouting loudly at concerts, it is something quite accepted and practiced in Latin American countries. I am mexican, so compared to our neighbor the United States we do not receive concerts by big artists or multiple dates as often. I think we like to share the euphoria with the other attendees and also the artists are excited by the response from the Latin American public because it is something that they generally only receive abroad. As an example, Taylor Swift's reaction to the concerts that she gave for the first time in her career in Mexico City
This is very true. I went to two concerts this year in Mexico City and boy were we LOUD. One of the concerts had a mosh pit and it got so wild and aggressive but it didn’t really get out of hand. There was this collective mindset of “we don’t know if these guys will ever come back, let’s not ruin it for each other”. Also, the “throwing things” trend doesn’t really happen here. The most we’ve thrown are customized peluches del doctor Simi.
Yeah in Italy it’s the same, in every big concert I have seen everyone was singing out loud, I don’t find it annoying, it’s like we are collectively sharing the excitement
@@Pela_patate yeah but there's a difference between singing loudly because it's rare and exciting, and what happens a lot here in the states. Here, (at least in my experience) people like to drink or take something (acid or shrooms or weed if they don't typically partake in it) and then get lost in the sauce and start SCREAMING the songs. Like the whole song, completely out of tune, like they've had a bottle of vodka alone at a karaoke bar. And if you're close to them, it can be very hard to hear the actual performance. And if you complain/speak up to them they become rude or aggressive because they "paid for this". I've even had this happen at free concerts before. This stuff is even happening at theater performances now too. like nooooo, I didnt pay $100 to listen to the person 3 seats over drunkenly SCREAM the words of the song and then promptly barf up the 6 drinks she's had tonight onto her outfit and the sloped floor and seats. Like yes, it can be perfectly fine to sing along at a concert. It can even be ok to sing loudly if concerts are rare and it's a tour stop artists know will have more energy. But it's NOT ok to act like you're the star of the show and drink a lot or take a substance and then scream over the artist.
I’m from Tucson so I get to see both worlds. Small venues, especially in south Tucson, you make as much noise as you can. You sing along. And the artist encourages that. When I was a small kid I literally once got on the stage during a performance and started asking the guitarist questions and they didn’t even stop the show, the guitarist just talked to me while playing 😂
Large venues, e.g. the Rialto, you do NOT do that. Or you do, but you’re kind of an asshole.
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Finally a topic I’m a self proclaimed expert on! Pre-pandemic I went to at least 5 concerts a year and since 2022 I’ve been back up to my usual concert quota. I went to 3 concerts in the last two weeks as of the date of this video release. The fees are awful, but there is also a problem directly with the artists or better yet their labels in setting the prices. I like a lot of smaller indie performers and their tickets are typically within the $30-75 range. But performers with more fans are always within $100+ I think more scams are happening too. When I saw Lana Del Rey in 2019 her tickets were within that $75 range. This year I haven’t looked into it yet since she’s not touring anywhere near me but her tickets sold out immediately. I love Lana, but that is crazy. Not even at the height of NFR we’re her tickets selling out. I think it’s bots and scalpers.
I saw so many girls I know go to the Taylor Swift concert MULTIPLE times and I couldn't understand how they could afford it. I will say I went to a Harry Styles concert in 2021 and it was very fun and the audience was chill. Also just got tickets to see the Eras Tour in the theater, tickets were 19 dollars I hope it's fun!
My Eras tickets were $49 and $250. Fees are annoying, but the face value for Taylor wasn’t bad compared to others!
Ppl I know who went to the eras tour are now eating ramen daily and can’t afford to see the movie. They couldn’t afford it but still went. I waited for the movie bc I knew she would release a streaming version or something for the fans that Ticketmaster screwed over. After concessions and maybe a cute hat I’ll spend less than $100 on two movie tickets, food, and accessories. I got my eras tour merch from temu after they made dupes, saved at least $200. FOMO sucks but I like being able to pay rent 😅
@@tayloryoung5156 that's actually so good! The only tickets my sister found were 1500 dollars 😭
I saw Beyoncé in Charlotte. We got nosebleed seats for 250 each. Nearly everyone of the audience I experienced was so kind and supportive and uplifting. The show was amazing and I had a lovely time! The sheer number of people who attended (probably 60k) was awe inspiring
Yup. Beyonce is a class act. She knows people would show up anyways no matter how the concert goes but still went out of her way to put on a great show
250??? Nosebleeds? Argh. Think original price was 75 for those. Paid that for 1st row seating. I hate this resale market.
I've been to a few (arguably smaller) shows and the worst is when some tall guy decides to shove right in front of me (I'm 5'2) despite not even being close to stage. No stopping shows for injuries or fainting, no things thrown on stage. Seen a few people record entire songs on their phone, but as long as they aren't blocking my view I don't really care. I think the issues today are largely with bigger artists - bigger crowds, more pricey tickets that are in higher demand, more entitled fanbases treating the concert as a once in a lifetime event because they dropped 100s or sometimes 1000s. It just does not seem worth it honestly, which sucks if these big artists are your all-time favorite.
the height thing is interesting to me! I'm a 5'10 girl and generally don't go to concerts, but does being taller than most people mean that I'm unwelcome? Or is it the manner in which you attend, like how you said the guy shoved in front of you..
@@rmrieit’s more of a spacial awareness thing, and is only really relevant for those standing really close to the stage at a packed, small venue. I’m also short and make a very deliberate effort to hold my place by the opening act in the front. When someone tall directly plants themself in front of a shorter person, it feels rude. I guess they just don’t realize they’re doing it.
@@rmrie tall people are definitely welcome! I know that I'm not gonna have a great view since I'm so short and that's totally fine. It's moreso when I'm not in a primo spot and someone who is like over 6' decides to stand right in front of me during a show it feels really inconsiderate, since they could see just as well right behind me but completely block my field of view in front of me haha
I'm also 5'2 and my deliberate spot is somewhere at the back of the crowd. There's just no way I can see more than people's armpits in the denser crowd near the stage. Having said that, when a tall person shoves in front of me, I'm livid. Like, I'm already at the back (to be able to see at least the heads of the artists) and some 6' person has to walk just in the very front of me so the back of their tshirt is basically touching my nose?! FFS.....
@@rmrie it doesn't make you unwelcome at all! but you should try to be conscientious of shorter people behind you. I'm 5'0 so i plan ahead and always either show up early for barricade spots if its GA, or get a seat up in the balcony or somewhere I know I'll be able to see over others. The worst is when I do get a barricade spot and a taller person tries to edge me out of it when they know they can see just fine over my head. I'm a woman and I "look friendly" so people assume I won't stand my ground, but hell if i'm gonna let some drunk loser who didn't even support the openers push me around (reffering to a specific situation there, not you)
I’ve replaced my concert tickets with plays, musicals, ballets, basically live performance. The fans are more respectful towards the actors and stay quiet. The security is very intense when it comes with recording things too so you don’t have to crane your neck to look past a phone. The tickets are expensive, but no more than concert tickets
To everyone saying “just go see local bands!!” as if that’s a solution, people at Taylor Swift concert aren’t there just for the vibes lmao they want to specifically see Taylor Swift
I don’t anyone is saying it’s 100% an alternative, but local gigs are good for ppl who enjoy the concert experience for an affordable price. Obv going to see a random indie band isn’t the same as Taylor Swift.
the concert experience of seeing a local indie band is WAY different than a huge stadium concert, though.@@atrapforfools
@@meowiestwo yes, that is what i just said. glad we agree.
so saying "local gigs are good for ppl who enjoy the concert experience" isn't really accurate, then. glad we agree!@@atrapforfools
@@meowiestwo I’m not sure this needs to be an argument. The last sentence of my original comment literally says the exact thing you said in your reply to me - that a local indie band isn’t the same as seeing Taylor Swift. My point is that for someone who is unwilling to participate in the circus of getting tickets for big shows but still enjoys live music, supporting their local scene is a good alternative. Not the same, but an alternative.
I had a girl in front of me at The Eras Tour who was taking up so much space flailing her arms around the entire show that her arms were in my view the whole time and any pictures or videos I got had to be taken at weird angles to keep her arms from getting in my pictures. Have fun at a concert, but remember that PEOPLE ARE BEHIND YOU!!
I got tickets to the tour movie on opening night and I'm kinda scared at the behavior I'll be witnessing.
I'm always seeing people assume that everyone paid that much for tickets lol. Someone asked me why I'd pay that much for Taylor Swift and I was like "I didn't...lol." People keep saying those are Taylor's prices instead of understanding what resale tickets are 😅
The issues with ticketmaster wouldn't be nearly as bad if they didn't all immediately go to resellers.
Omg me too! I try to edit my videos as much as possible but it was so hard to stand and twist constantly for any decent picture or videos.
It was so frustrating. It was the 1st time I went to Taylor’s concert after being a child fan and it got ruined after spending more than + $500.
i went to see bad omens in toronto and ended up behind someone who had their young child on their shoulders creating a huge block of the view in the GENERAL ADMISSION CONCERT where the huge crowd were all packed together standing the entire time. people who cooed over the child definitely were not being prevented from seeing anything like others were! how young is too young to be in the pit of a metal concert? i'd say at least hit puberty first 😵💫
this omggg like all the swifties being labelled as crazy for paying those prices but the tickets were like,, 80-200 euros in Europe and we're all just here like,, thats not insane, yall (aka the government or tm) just dont do anything about the scalpers
people have been shitty and annoying at concerts since the dawn of time. the main difference is that they're posting about it on tiktok now. based on my experience the worst offenders are a very small minority, but everything gets posted online and blown way out of proportion. go to concerts and have fun. if other people are ruining your experience, use your words! say hey can you stop doing that? and if they don't stop, call security or something. posting about it on tiktok hours or days later does literally nothing but farm rage. this video was great! this stuff just really annoys me lol
Agreed there were literally vip sections in ancient Greek music festivals so people could avoid the general admission crowd 😂
YES this. I'm late to the party here but I also feel like this is sometimes a "you" problem, too? like, yes, i can go be mad at the others for now 'ruining' my evening, or move/say something/act/idk and not let them ruin it for me? negative vibes and all that? like, yeah, your feelings are valid, but the more you're upset about it, the shittier the experience will be! so in the words of Elsa or something.. Let it gooo
This makes me so grateful to be apart of a local music scene. Basically none of these issues are relevant to a smaller concert. $10 on the door, great music, great community, simple and that's how it should be!
as someone who's been to both local shows and big theatre/arena shows, the local ones are soooo damn underrated ... you pay $15-$20 and get a bunch of amazing acts squeezed onto one bill.
i refuse to pay more than that for a concert unless it's a legacy / once-in-a-lifetime artist, and even then im not settling for nosebleeds - id rather not go at all than to pay hundreds of dollars to be back row watching the whole thing on the jumbotron when i could watch a concert DVD on my TV @ home 💀
I miss local shows being affordable. The good venues signed with live nation and now ticket prices doubled. My clairo tickets in 2019 were $25 and in 2022 were $50. The GA was cheaper but my POTS requires seating and I prefer the balcony anyway.
It reminds me of the recent story at the Adele's las vegas concert where a young man was asked to sit down because people behind him were seated, while he was standing up, singing and filming himself with a selfie stick. I understand the excitement of being at her concert but everyone enjoys concert in different ways, I felt like it would have made more sense to put him at the front where all other people were standing up rather than make everyone stand up. Sure, the crowd was maybe just reserved and they didn't mind standing up, but I feel like if I paid the same price as you and I don't want to be seated behind someone standing up with a selfie stick, it's also my right. It doesn't make me less of a fan.
And people were overwhelmingly defending him! I do think that trying to force a person enjoying a concert to sit down is lame if they’re being otherwise respectful. But my sympathy is much more limited when you are not only standing but also recording the whole show with a selfie stick at the same time.
My last concert was before COVID. I asked a friend of mine to go with me despite her not knowing the artist so I wasn't alone in the city at night. When I bought the tickets, it was a month prior and there were plenty of tickets left and a whole bottom section where there was no seating assigned (which turned out to be standing only and it was closest to the stage.) We get to the city early, eat a little something, and walk over to queue. About 10 minutes before the show starts, we finally have the two girls in the row ahead.
When the artist comes out on stage, they stand and me and my friend figured it was the beginning so why not. Not even five minutes go by and there's a man booing at us, from 25 feet away so it wasn't about the view, for standing. Well, we paid for a seat so all of us sat after the first song except these two girls. The guy keeps booing for 20 minutes and the one time the girls felt bad about it, they ask a woman seated ahead of them; she gives them the whole "you do your thing" nod and smile. They proceeded to stand for the entire show and while I can barely see the stage, my friend can't see anything. I offered to switch with her but she declined since she didn't really know the artist.
So I asked them if they could at least sit for one song so my friend could at see and they looked perturbed but complied. As soon as that one song ended, one of them jumped right back up and the other sat out one song further. After the show, my friend asked me how much she owed me for the ticket and I told her, "Nothing. You had to stare at two teenage butt-butts all evening at a concert I dragged you to."
So yeah, I don't go to concerts anymore. I knew COVID would just exasperate the issue.
Im surprised having a selfie stick was even allowed. That I can't defend. But singing along and dancing is ok.
If I really love the artist, I record A LOT of their songs. But I hold my phone directly in front of my face just below eye level. So, I’m still focusing on them live-and I’m also not really blocking anyone’s view either. I get post-concert amnesia any time I see my favs, and I get so much joy out of rewatching my videos and basically reliving it from my same vantage point . It just doesn’t feel the same when I see recordings from other angles.
The things I hate most are people holding up signs for extended periods of time (or at all, really) and people throwing stuff at the artist. And people trying to cut in line for GA.
Ok, I’m also not a huge fan of people in the audience scream-singing. It’s distracting irl, and it completely ruins my videos.
But beyond all of that. What I really can’t stand is this dynamic pricing bs, and the increase in scalpers/fans reselling for a huge profit (sometimes just so that they can actually afford their own ticket).
Same. Because I don't pay too much attention to the phone while recording, my videos are not that great, but that's ok. I'm recording for me, not to post them on social media.
At least you're mindful about filming at face-level and not sticking your arm straight up in the air for the whole show, those are the really annoying ones 😩
@@laurah5469 yes- that part is key! Although, I do appreciate sometimes when people have phones with amazing cameras. The zoom quality on my iphone is sh!t. I was tempted to record someone else’s phone screen at a festival last month 😆
i’ve had such icky feelings at every beyonce and taylor swift concert post. they’re all the same. i love love love concerts and i’d spend money to see someone i love. and i love both of those artists but the performative aspect of it all is painful.
I paid $450 for a performance. Not for someone to just stand and sing. What did you want?
@@miliejones3900 'performative' meaning people who are more obsessed with people knowing they went to a show vs just enjoying the show lol
Been a brazilian it's funny for me to hear that singing with the artist in concerts are considered something bad, we love singing together here, I only go to concerts to do this in fact 😂😅 cultural differences are crazy . Great video, as always ❤
Singing along is great and totally encouraged! I only have a problem with it when it elevates to constant screaming and makes it hard to hear the artist at all
i see a lot of comments like yours that are really misunderstanding what’s not acceptable. Singing your heart out is absolutely encouraged. Shrieking and screeching are what we are talking about. If you want an example type in “eras your screeching” and see what comes up. I’m sure there’s a lot. If not. Think of the people that have public meltdowns?? how they basically throw their voice out from how loudly the shriek - think tantrums. That is what is unacceptable and it’s paired with how people act about it. It’s the entitlement and the FACT they know they’re not singing normally. They’re that loud and annoying on purpose
It’s crazy to call others entitled for wanting to be able to hear the artist they paid money to see and not someone screeching off key in their ear for the entire show.
Me and my best friend went to see the Backseat Lovers in Pittsburgh this past July. The people around us completely ruined the show with their poor concert edict. We were in the pit close to the stage so the energy was high. There was a guy in his early twenties behind us that was screaming the whole time and demanded the song 'Olivia' be played since it's his girlfriends name. After screaming for 3/4ths of the show and ruining any quite parts of the set, Josh Harmon the lead singer sang it impromptu with no lights just to get it out of the way. This dude and his girlfriend were ecstatic that they got what they wanted and filmed the whole thing. The other members of the band stood off to the side and were visibly frustrated. Me and my friend left shortly after because of how incessant he was to get attention from the band by screaming the lyrics or just screaming to scream.
I sometimes attend concerts by myself and two things tend to happen.
First, people will ask me to switch seats with their friend (and pester me with the question/guilt-trip me into almost agreeing to their wishes). It's the assumption that, because it's just me, they are entitled to manage my experience. No need to mention how much they pout and complain/act indignant when I rightfully decline. Even the ones that act "polite" do their best to make me feel uncomfortable/unfair/like I'm ruining their experience by not switching.
The second thing is the influencer problem. People will constantly try to interrupt my experience to ask me to take their pictures and videos, sometimes in the middle of the biggest hit/most emotional/fun moment. They, of course, proceed to act like the victims of unfairness the second I say no.
Outrageous.
I'm going to a concert later this month. For the first time in my life, a show popped up that's important enough to me to involve air travel and a hotel stay. Base ticket price was so super cheap--like $30. Fees made it nearly $50. I opted for priority line access, which bumped it to $70. Luckily, for me, that is still a reasonable total, and is a small portion of the overall cost for making the show into a 2 day trip. I am also hoping that the average age of the attendees means most of us know how to bahave, but fans are crazy and this is only the 3rd show we've gotten in 4 years, so we'll see how everyone manages to contain themselves.
K-pop stans have earned a certain reputation but when I went to see Twice live in June, I think there was a general hivemind of concert etiquette that made the whole experience kinda magical. A lot of people were recording but it wasn't really obnoxious or intrusive, and people were just vibing (probably bc nobody wants to be the guy who pisses off a bunch of k-pop stans)
So I’ve seen the same band (AFI) dozens of times since 2004. The competitiveness has gotten kind of crazy the past few years, especially this last tour (their first post-pandemic).
I think it’s a combination of who can seem like the most dedicated fan on social media, as well as just this sense of entitlement. There is a wonderful community of people who go to AFI shows still, who line up early to get good spots (since everything is general admission), who caravan from show to show and all bunk down in a single hotel room together, who sing along to every song and are grateful for every experience. And then there are those who actively complain that they didn’t get to see some rare b-side that was released in the 90s. That the set list, the experience, wasn’t catered directly to them.
I also think Astroworld had a huge impact, at the last AFI show i went to (post-astroworld), the lead singer stopped the show a few times to make sure people were okay in the crowd. That never used to have to happen, but I think it’s 100% necessary these days. I think the selfishness of people wanting to have these “perfect” concert experiences (close to stage, try and get a setlist or pick, get eye contact with the artist, etc) also leads to more crowd crush, which is actually dangerous and we’ve seen can easily kill people. Everyone rushing to the stage for their perfect picture or to try and get attention from the artist, there are consequences to that.
Not to get all elder emo on folks, but people used to look out for each other. Big dudes used to pick me up in the pit (I’m nearly six feet, sometimes I need the help of a burly man in a patched up denim vest if I fall lol), if crowd crush is getting intense and I’m on barricade, there was usually someone behind me bracing themselves around me so I’m not getting crushed up on metal, I never felt unsafe. Now, it’s like everyone wants to crawl over each other to get an inch closer to the artist.
All that being said, not all hope is lost lol. I’ve met some great newer/younger fans who are totally respectful and fun at shows, but the sum of the total has been…interesting to see.
Okay THANK YOU for this comment!! I've seriously noticed the lack of pit etiquette/safety over the past few years.
When I was 11 in '08, I went to see La Roux in the pit at a bar. Strangers we'd never met looked after me & my friend like they were our parents, making sure we didn't get crushed or lost in the crowd. They knew we loved the same music they did and thats all they needed to help keep us safe.
The last pit I was in (The Regrettes, last fall) I saw a small girl who looked about 12 get shoved out of the way by a crowd of full-grown adults because she was close to the front.
There's no care for fellow fans anymore. Now its like fans see others as competition or obstacles they need to overcome to get closer to their idols. Its seriously so fucked.
This is something I loved about being a chick who goes to rock concerts. I saw deftones on their guerrilla tour for their self titled album and guys would always check on me in pits. I figured out crossing my arms across my chest helped me feel secure but there was always a dude asking if I was okay or if I needed to get water that theyd help me out. It's not the same anymore cause fans don't look out for fans
we're still in the pandemic btw, just because lockdowns ended due to capitalism doesn't mean the virus magically went away and isn't still killing thousands of people and disabling tens of thousands more
Hey, fellow AFI fan here to agree with you. Out of the acts with bigger crowds I've seen post 2020 (which have been many), AFI fans were hands down still doing the most to look out for each other and make sure everyone was having a good time. That said, I did get shoved out of the way by some asshole rushing to touch Davey which was unexpected.... people always push and shove and I've been elbowed by folks trying to touch Davey before, but this guy actively just threw me out of his way. Also there were less people on their phone the whole time than at other shows.
But overall broadly speaking "rock" shows just aren't the same, as you're saying, due to a seeming loss of that "unity"/"we're all here together to have fun" mentality that used to exit. People looking out for eachother are now in the minority and I've been to some shows where it seemed like everyone there was just out to get internet clout since they were either recording or otherwise on their phones the entire show.
As far as prices and buying tickets, it’s not just the huge artists like Taylor Swift this is happening to. I tried buying tickets to Hozier’s new tour - not a huge artist by any means and it was the exact same issue mentioned in the video. Even now, less then a month before the show, decent tickets are $500 each on resale sites. It’s $200 for the lawn. I can’t help but be a little salty when artists say how grateful they are that a venue sold out. I know it’s not the artists fault, but at the same time the venue was sold out by bots and the real people are getting robbed.
I would argue that Hozier is a big artist, but that still sucks. 😔
Yup. Tried to get Sleep Tolken tickets. Exact same scenario. Bots bought all the tickets within 2 minutes. A $50 ticket turned into a $250 ticket within 3 minutes. And the band was bragging about being sold out. The entire comment section was fans pointing out the fact. Literally no one got tickets. They said nothing. Respect lost.
‘the lawn’ are you from Toronto by any chance lol
lol same. Saw him in 2018, bought the tickets a few days after they went online, no problem. This year I tried to get tickets in the pre-sale, no chance, 5 minutes later I could buy them for 300€ on Fansale (the tickets were 56€ originally)
🙃. This has even happened with really small artists and its extremely annoying.
Regarding the watching concerts on cinema thing, I actually got to experience this last March 2022 and it was such a great experience for me! Its not too loud to be overstimulating and I can see that the fellow fans are having such a good time. And I got to watch a concert in a cold room sitting in soft and comfy cinema chair, which is big plus for me~ strongly recommend this option and I hope other artists implement this too 😄
Yes! I do this several times a year, though not with traditional concerts usually. The MET opera livestreams some of their performances throughout the year, and I’m big into DCI (pro marching band) and they live stream the championships too. It’s honestly so great. I get to eat my shitty popcorn in a big chair in a (usually) respectful theater. I wish more artists would do what T-Swift is doing with the Eras film. Even older artists! If they showed Stop Making Sense in theaters I would love my mind ♥️ Lady Gaga has been teasing her Chromatica Ball film for almost a year now.
I'm hoping this will be the experience for me when I see the eras film next month :)
I saw a BTS and Agust D concert in theaters and it was great. Fans brought their lightsticks, handed out freebies, etc. It was an all around good time.
bts has been doing concert livestreams in other theaters for a few years now and they are great! there's often one in the same city as the actual concert, which is extra fun because you get to still enjoy the fan culture of lots of people coming into that city for the concert. they've also done livestreams in other cities and even not live but after the fact movie theater showings of concert videos. I think all these are great ways to include more fans (and newer fans that are less willing to brave the ticketing process) in the concert experience. also, movie theaters need all the help they can get lol
diy bands are where its at !! local shows are always amazing. small crowd, cheap tix, fire music, and supporting local art!!
Sadly Ticketmaster and live nation have begun to gobble up small venues post Covid. They’ve even taken to taking a cut of the merch sales when that used to be reserved for bigger venues. It’s slowly starting to work it’s way into smaller local scenes. But over all yes. Go support local music. We appreciate it so much as musicians
I paid almost $600 for 2 tickets for the Red Hot Chili Peppers, but watching my husband cry over this huge surprise on Christmas morning was worth every penny.
I actually went to my very first concert this week: the tickets were around 40$ (not entirely sure about the exchange rate) for everyone, the event organisers made sure that no-one would queue earlier than 4 hours before the event started and most people were very considerate regarding people needing space and not pushing too hard to get to the front.
In terms of etiquette a lot of people were filming and basically everyone was screaming along (it was encouraged by the artist) which honestly to me communicated a very strong sense of community - as in „we‘re all here together, we all love this music and we‘re all having fun“ - and greatly added to my enjoyment of the show (also the speakers were loud enough to still hear the artist well).
I’m of the mindset that a show is literally for screaming the lyrics lol
DOGGY!! 🐶💖 Lol the butt blur
P.S. Thank you for acknowledging us neurodivergent folk and others with disabilities! ❤️
Well one thing is for certain, I wanted to go to the Taylor Swift Eras tour but thanks to the ticketmaster mess couldn't go. I'm not that desperate to get tickets if I have to pay more/do a ton of searching just to get decent seats. It shouldn't be that hard but they sure made it that way lol
If you didn't know, they are releasing the filmed version in cinemas!
@@wilma678 Yeah, I just would have loved to see it in person. I went live for 1989 and Reputation and it was super awesome.
I've said basically this same comment in every video on this topic, but when it comes to fan culture and courtesy at shows I really think it depends on what artist and genre of music you're seeing. I've been going to concerts regularly for well over a decade and I personally haven't seen that much change since I started attending them in my teens, but I primarily see indie, emo and alt rock groups and the culture there is exactly the same as it was before the pandemic imo. In fact the worst fan experience I've ever had at a show was long before the pandemic even happened so there have absolutely been jerks long before lockdown.
Yes there are more phones out at shows, but as someone who also films at concerts for personal use when the artists play my favorite songs (because i like to go back and rewatch my vids when I'm feeling down to relive the emotions i experienced at the show) I honestly don't see what the problem with it is so long as the person filming isn't blocking someone's view or being disrespectful. The whole concept that anti-filming fans have of "well *I* go to shows to be in the moment and see the artist in person" honestly feels just as elitist to me as someone saying that casual fans of an artist shouldn't be allowed to get tickets.
Alt/rock shows are generally pretty chill but I feel like there’s a lot of elitism and also a lot of kids who need thrown out. I went to one recently and these girls tried shoving up to barricade saying “we’re looking for her mom!” When they were several people behind me, had no mom in line, and had a big ass sign that they kept digging in my shin. They usually are t bad but recently have had so much hell at them.
yes!!! I saw Dashboard Confessional last year and it was the most fun I've had a show. Everyone was super respectful of the artists, the vibes were great, and other fans were friendly and enthusiastic. People would take their phones out, take a photo or a very quick video, and put it away again.
Night and day compared to Phoebe Bridgers last year. That crowd was a nightmare.
I was the head of the line to get U2 tickets in late 87 and I waited in line for two days. It was actually a lot of fun and props to my mom for letting me do it at 16.
I saw Boygenius at Red Rocks this summer and because it was mostly seated, all of the GA tickets were in the back rows of the venue, it was very chill. There was very minimal screaming and loud talking. I feel like the crowd was great. And when Phoebe asked people to put their phones away for Letter to An Old Poet, literally not a single soul in the house had a phone out. And I feel like the space became incredibly intimate at that point and for the remainder of the show. It was an absolutely magical experience and I am so grateful for it. I have heard horror stories from other Boygenius shows on this tour. I am grateful that wasnt my experience.
W fan entitlement - when Mexico swifties tweeted they prob couldn’t livestream bc bad service I went thru the responses & so many ppl were begging them to still try … I understand not everyone can get tix but for the ppl who are able to enjoy the live performances why are we pressuring them to live that moment thru their phone or get clout/views from live-streaming. In my opinion it takes away how special living in the moment and enjoying it is when we are doing things for social media. Consider concerts before smartphones were invented & just be present.
I've noticed this recently at musicals. I went to see Blood Brothers and sat next to an older couple (50/60s) who were tipsy and the lady was loudly singing, even during the emotional songs. Same at Les Miserables. Very weird and SO rude.
the most perplexing thing to me about concerts nowadays is people who have their phone up to film the ENTIRE TIME. why are you filming the whole concert? are you going to go back and watch that? don’t you want to look at the artist with your own two eyes? one of these days i need to ask someone point blank why they’re filming the whole concert because it’s disruptive and simply baffling why someone would choose to do that.
Another issue is that some arenas are taking so much of the ticket price, and the artists already make so little of the ticket price, that artists are simply deciding not to have shows in cities with these greedy arena owners (like here in Cleveland), causing us to go out of state to see artists--which makes it even more expensive. I did go to a show in a movie theater last year which showed Billy Joel’s historic Yankee Stadium show. It was really fun, wore my shirt from that tour. It’d be a great way for people to see significantly historic concerts or artists in their younger days of or artists who have passed away. I saw Tom Petty live once, but I’d love to see a show of his from the early 1980s when I was too young to go or Bruce Springsteen’s Born in the USA tour, which I wasn’t allowed to go (I was like 13).
I used to love Maggie Rogers’ music and free-spirited vibe so much, but the most recent time I saw her live back in March, (in SF’s Bill Graham auditorium) she shamed the audience members in the balcony of the venue for sitting down, claiming it was the wrong way to do her concert and that everyone should be dancing. I was in the balcony. As you say in the video, people choose to sit for a whole host of reasons we don’t need to harass them about, including health issues. I totally understand that it’s challenging for musicians to perceive low enthusiasm during a live performance, but sitting doesn’t necessarily equal disinterest and her comment just didn’t seem very grateful for those who showed up at all 😔 She made additional comments about the lack of energy in the room at my concert and a close friend’s in a different city. It saddened me. I’ve danced wildly at her shows before but maybe I can’t do it every time and that should be okay 😔 I’m not sure how the logistics of dividing a venue into sections would work, but I’m hopeful that it can be done and would mitigate this.
oh, that is so disappointing!!!!! that reminds me of when I saw Ariel Pink in at Trees in Dallas - I think it was 2013 - and he was just so mean to the crowd and told us we were lame. Wasn't really a fan before that and gained a great dislike for him after that.
separately, I live in SF now and saw (G)I-DLE at Bill Graham recently, it's a great venue.
Wow that would be a huge turnoff to me too. Sorry, not all of us want to or can stand for 2 hrs and dance like crazy or whatever. Standing when you have a seat is IMO pretty new in the last like 10-15 years, before that it was expected you could sit if you had a seat and the pit / floor was for standing and dancing
She’s frankly doing herself a disservice as an artist to read the crowd like that… she’s choosing to interpret a quieter crowd as a negative thing, as “lower energy”, but honestly, maybe what they have is a chill vibe with a lot of energy, and she should view it as an opportunity on the stage. A distracted crowd,I get that being frustrating. A more quiet or still crowd, they could be very engaged, and the artist needs to engage with them on that plane and feel the love, the energy, and the connection in the room. I think more experienced performers recognize this and can get there onstage, each show has a different vibe and flavor depending on what the crowd AND and artist can being to it.
Yikes. I love her music. I almost exclusively go to shows where I’ll have a chair, I prefer to be comfy. Maybe I’ll get up to clap or dance a bit but wearing my feet out before walking back to the car isn’t fun.
I've been to several cinema livestreams of concerts and it's been a different experience every time (and I've heard of all kinds of different experiences, good and bad). The key thing that can be a problem there is that people are very unsure what the etiquette is: some people don't feel it's okay to sing along, even quietly, because that's cinema etiquette.Others do sing along and even scream and clap (after a song ends), stand up and dance, etc. as if they're actually at the concert and think it's rude that people would just sit there quietly. So it can be a bit difficult to know what's appropriate because concert and cinema etiquette are so different. I recently saw that in Korea they sometimes do specific showings of a concert where people can bring their fan-lightsticks (and they sync them up with bluetooth just like at the actual concert) and are actively encouraged to sing along. So if everyone goes into the experience with the same expectations of what's appropriate, I think everyone can enjoy the experience and it can be similar to going to the real thing.
Parasocial behavior and culture can be addicting and blinding and lead to issues you have outlined in this video, IMHO.
In Japan for the Eras tour, they did a lottery. So you sign up and then they pull a number. I think that was much better than the stress of crashing websites. You don't get to choose your seats but 🤷🏽♀️
It's a Japan thing not an Eras tour thing. Plenty of shows and events get lottery and I have my share of complaints for the system.
@@wombat4583 I realize it wasn't specifically for Eras. But that's the tour I had the experience of booking with. No system is perfect, but I think it worked better than the crashing and 10,000 person digital lines I've seen elsewhere.
I breathed a sigh of relief at getting the concert movie tickets for the eras tour! It's right next to my home, I can go with my friend and get sushi first. We have seats! Perfect evening!
As a lifelong Swiftie, getting tickets for Loverfest in 2019 (Taylor's would-have-been 2020 concert) was so easy. Then I don't know what happened, but I only managed to get VIP-priced tickets for The Eras Tour. I payed R$289 for my Loverfest ticket and R$1510 for Eras ticket, on the same seat zone in the same stadium; even with inflation, the price from R$289 should be R$431. I'm in Brazil, and Brazilian concert culture is different from the US - singing every single lyric is a sign of admiration, love and respect for the artist, and most international acts are sold out in less than a week, it's been like this since decades ago. I don't know what changed, because we don't do dynamic pricing, but it's so much harder to buy tickets now :(
As a former concert-going teen/young adult I have SO MUCH to say on this topic but I’ll try to be brief! So much of it comes from my family supporting me - we were not well off by any means but my parents recognized going to shows meant a lot to me and no concert was ever off the table! They also let me skip school to get the best general admission spots - if I wasn’t front row centre for those, my ND brain couldn’t handle someone bothering me in front! I remember getting Coldplay tickets for my 16th birthday and they were a LOT at the time…I even saw the Spice Girls reunion in 2007 for $150…that was definitely a combo of mine and my parents money 😂 This was all before the 2008 economic crash and that’s where I argue prices started to rise uncontrollably. I fully stopped going to arena shows post-2008 and limited myself to buying $20 tix to local or smaller events. When I moved to Toronto in 2017, I was lucky because most ppl tour there and I saw a lot of artists I loved for maybe 20-50 each. It has changed SO MUCH now - for example I decided to buy a Madonna ticket for $120 because she was supposed to open the tour in Vancouver (my current location) and I thought it’d be fun to go without spoilers - now she has cancelled and rescheduled for 2024, I’m no longer interested and pawning the tix off, again, does not WORK for my ND brain 😂 to close this monologue… in 2023 I’ve been to two tours, Caroline Polachek and Juno Birch, which are very in-demand shows in places like LA but very undersold in Vancouver. So at both shows I felt very spoiled because the crowd was so chill and spread out - I used to think Vancouver was a joke city and nobody ever came here, and now I’m spoiled for choice! P.S. Despite how maddening the concert economy is, Beyonce is in Van Sept 11 and I’m gonna show up hoping to scalp day-of baby! Thanks for letting me ramble about a very precious topic to me 🤡
Tbf, who WOULDN'T wanna see Juno Birch? She's a blue icon 🤣🤣🤣. It sucks so much that Trixie Mattel doesn't come out to my region much because I'm a big fan. It's not like I can afford to travel even 50 miles to see her unless it was in Boston and I managed to get on the train which hasn't even opened here yet...m
@@jennatavares4695 💙💙💙!!! I had balcony tix for Juno but the event was so undersold they closed it, I ended up second row to the front! It gives me confidence I might actually secure a decent Beyonce ticket come Monday 😆I am so grateful for these opportunities, I was about three hours from Vancouver from 2021-earlier this year and missed a lot of tours - unforeseen circumstances landed me back in the city which bummed me out until I realized hey, Van gets pretty much all touring ppl now and the crowds aren't huge! I'm with you on Trixie - she did just come to Van but I was away and missed it - I am DESPERATE for a Trixie/Katya tour, and they should take a page from Lana Del Rey and perform in rural landlocked areas because - surprise - that's where the fans are!!! I hope you can see her one day!
JUNO!! ❤️
I still go to concerts a lot - but the worst experience has to be standing tickets to a kpop show. It’s scary. But other than that I have the best time at rock concerts (I’m in france, where prices are a lot lower). Thanks for the video !
I got my first pit tickets for StayC and your comment scares me LOL
@@meowiestwoit alwqys depends on the artists and fans in the crowd. not specifically only for kpop. I've just seen p1harmony in ga and it was fine tho i was hanging out at the back. my only issue was a couple taller people in front of me but i'm short and know to expect that in ga
I went to see Justin Timberlake live for my first concert and genuinely this opened so much more for me. I realized how special it is to see your favorite artist live and how intimate it can be at different venues. I went from small Dutch artists (I live in the Netherlands) to big festivals and my love for it kept growing. It’s mostly for the experience of being there with your family / friends and screaming, crying and laughing together while enjoying your time. After social media got way way more popular I realized how some people just wanted the perfect instagram story. Once I saw one girl recording the WHOLE LORDE concert vertically :’). When that happend something clicked for me. After all those concerts, how many of the videos do I watch back? Some maybe once or twice. From then i decided, go to the concert / festival, see your favorite people. Leave your phone in your bag, unless you hear your favorite tune. You may record that, but that’s it.
It makes the the experience way more enjoyable, you can look around see people enjoying themselves, jump around in a moshpit or cry just because. Watching the video’s back will feel more intense because this was a moment u needed to capture , but doesn’t ruin the whole concert experience for yourself or others around you :)
For people who have never been to a concert ! Please go , if you don’t enjoy crowds find a smaller venue and “less” popular artist, concerts like these will feel even more special, than seeing Beyoncé from far far away ( I speak from experience) x
The streams of concerts already exist in kpop world! They are not live but still better experience than watching it on DVD at home.
I went once in December, the crowd was dead, but I went again in May and it was sooo fun! We were all collectively cheering as if we were there, singing choruses and just simply enjoying the show.
I live in Germany so the whole Ticketmaster thing doesn't entirely apply to me (no dynamic prices here thank God!), but all of the things you discussed are exactly the reason why I only ever go to small to like mid sized concerts. I went to Hoziers show here in Cologne back in July and that was a lowely crowd. So kind and caring. It was hot as hell in the concert hall and people were alerting the artist and the security crew whenever someone wasn't feeling well, passing along water and generally taking care of each other.
Obviously people passing out at concerts because it's so hot and humid in the hall is not good, but that is on the venue not on the artist or the crowd.
What I really don't get is the whole video & filming thing. I never even take out my phone at a concert tbh. I want to be in the moment, quietly singing along with the artists and just dancing & vibing.
I've skipped shows this year because Live Nation's fees are stupidly expensive. The last ticket I almost bought was 50% fees. At that point I just decided I'm just done with concerts through them. With the current concert culture I don't even feel any FOMO, it's a space lead by companies that I don't want to deal with.
The music industry is burning all their bridges and I'm just waiting for it to suddenly collapse into itself as soon as great local artists decide to go back to doing the hard work themselves.
I had nosebleeds for Beyonce a few weeks ago and the guy sitting directly in front of me was standing and blocking my view the entire time (even though everyone else in our section would sit mostly and stand to dance on occasion) AND he was screaming at the absolute top of his lungs like a child and waving his arms around. I would assume his age was like 19-21. I literally could barely see or hear anything going on on the stage. AND while we were leaving we experienced a crowd surge because it was so jam-packed with people.