The Heil PR40 is a LEGENDARY disappointment...
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2018
- I did NOT see this coming... I bought the "legendary" Heil PR40 dynamic broadcast microphone expecting to love it, and I'm really not a fan. What happened? Find out in my Heil PR40 Review.
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I watched a couple of your recent videos to see what your sound is normally like, and I have to say I prefer this video by quite a bit. The others sound too intense, processed, and boomy to me. In this one your voice sounds natural and cuts through. It sounds to me like you might be too focused on getting a certain type of sound, to the point that you've lost sight of what actually sounds good.
agree. I think he might have monitoring issues.
@@edwardgivenscomposer or taste issues.
As much as I agree, the Plosives on the PR40 are pretty prominent. A good windscreen of sorts could fix most of that though. Coming from a life long EV fan I think the PR40 is getting a lot of windscreen issues on reviews across the board. But now that you can find them used it makes it a really good choice as long as it has been treated well. I do like this review.
The Heil PR40 sounds much better on your voice. It isn't nearly as mid-forward as the Electro-Voice RE20, which comes close to having too much nasal honk and is dire need of scooping out the mids via eq. The Heil PR40 really shined with its crisp, clear highs, which were much more muted on the RE20.
I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but I think the Heil sounded better than the EV. Maybe that's due to the fact that I'm in my 60's and have some hearing loss, but the EV sounded too muddy with exaggerated low frequencies while the Heil was considerably clearer overall making it easier to understand what you were saying.
I actually agree with you. I think the PR40 sounded better than the RE20. The RE20 sounds way to low and fake. The PR40 sounds more like what I imagine our voice actually sounding like.
Comparing the two Symetrix samples, I too preferred the PR40. I would definitely tweak the settings however. I can also definitely see (err hear) how the RE20 might be preferred. And the RE20 is certainly a classic mic. Side note: I have purchased two Heil PR22 mics to replace a couple of SM58s for live sound. I have been liking the PR22s quite a bit.
The RE20 sounded quite horrible to me, I don't know if it was harsher or the overall volume was turned up
It sounded like the RE20 needed some of the mids EQ'd out. Mids muddy things up. That could be a selling point in that you have more to work with in post, but I think the PR40 sounded better in this comparison. I have not thought that in some other comparison videos, though.
Agree with you. I need clear voice not flat voice.
I actually thought the PR40 sounded a little better. Sounded much less compressed. I think if you took the time to tinker with the most processing, it would sound great. But I’m not a huge fan of TONS of bass in spoken content. And it’s always a person preference thing.
@2:35 OUCH !!! Thanks for putting yourself through so much pain for this review. Sorry it hurt that much.
The PR40 to my knowledge was never made for UA-cam or Podcasting, it was made for broadcasting. TBH, I like the audio you got through the PR40 more then the other mic. Sounds cleaner and more natural once you tweak your highs to avoid the pops.
The PR40 is a great sounding microphone but you need to use it the way it was made to be used , And for a start its a end feed microphone so you need to talk into the end not side on , Its one of them microphones that you need to talk into & like all microphones some match peoples vocals & others just don't .
Tweak the highs on a mic like this and you will be battling sibilence. This is terrible mic all around. I rather buy a MXL VO-1 befor this... and in this price range.. SM7B or RE20 all day no contest.
What about not every mic being suitable for each persons voice? Could that be part of the problem for you? I have heard people for vocals would try various mics to find one that fits their voice. If that is the case, than it would be more of a not suitable fit for your specifically, but perfect fit for someone else. Which is I guess like so many things in life. I also feel that some of the guys on UA-cam like Mike Russell sounds very unnatural. Very processed. Just like you said. Like he is the trailer voice over guy or something. He must be doing some heavy post processing work, maybe trough some kind of mixer or something, because he is doing lot of live shows if I'm not mistaken. So he would need to do it in almost real time for live show.
P.S.
That all being said, listening to your results comparisons at the end. If I'm honest I must say the The Heil PR40 makes you sound more clear but with less presence. And maybe that is the problem. Maybe you are just used to the other mic, and unless your are Morgan Freeman you probably are like the rest of us, and don't like the hear your own voice when recorded. So as much as you are trying to be unbiased, I'm sure you are. It would be impossible for you not to be. I think you need some people other than you to give some input, for more balanced view.
Thanks for the comparison. Cheers!
Thats true, this mic for its price is really useful. Yo must Eq it as others to find your sweatable curve. It is also manufacture in a period of time where microphone technology wsan´t looking what he is expecting.
I use one in my Bass Drum and it's GREAT ... Also used it as a O/H and it was Brilliant
Your voice sounds excellent on the PR-20, nice and crisp with no sides! Thanks
Seeing Leo Laporte really hit me in the nostalgia. Growing up watching the screensavers & tech tv/G4, it really threw me back - he’s looking old but I’m glad he’s still doing his thing!
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StefanThePro only reason I would buy is because Leo told me to buy one! 🙏🏾
You know Leo's doing very well with the TWiT Podcast Network. He says it's his way of recreating TechTV without having to deal with the suits...
I have the Heil pr40 and it sounds great.
@Michael's Production's I had the the Heil PR40 at the time of my original post. I had to sell it because I needed the money.
I think the heil is a bit thin like you said, but once you process it(even though it is a bit harsh) it sounds nice, still i prefer the re20 processed but i prefer the pr40 raw, despite the slight thinness it has
Don't muster, when you muster it sounds like you're mustering and I can hear you muster. This was Art Bell's mic of choice, probly cause he came from the hams and that alone makes me want to get one... used or on sale of coarse.
What mic setup would you recommend for $400 for twitch streaming and UA-cam reviews? Id prefer a mic i can keep above my head that isn't in the cameras view if that's possible... and could it record me doing room scale vr pointed at me? Hope you can help me..
Audio Technica AT875r just off-camera w/ a Fethead Phantom (gotta make sure you get the right one) both shown here - ua-cam.com/video/m5apGc7PSP0/v-deo.html
hooked up to a Behringer UMC204 HD or 202HD geni.us/6Gtyp
Yeah I have a hard time doing Photoshop tutorials with my dumb mics in front of my face and not sure if there is a way around that.
the only way I can get the pr40 to sound broadcast worthy is to use the DBX286s. With that combination, dialed into your voice, it sounds very full indeed.
Would you say the audio technica at2035 would be a good choice for a budget per say? I'm a streamer and my Razer seiren was a terrible choice in microphone to buy.
What's a good mixer to start out with also?
I don't recommend condenser mics at all for streaming setups. The Samson Q2U is my recommendation for a budget starter mic. video on that releases next week
@@EposVox I'll be waiting for that one!
Karma...one mic you should get a look at if you're doing an XLR type of microphone is the Sennheiser E935. My wife uses a Q2U and I agree with EposVox, it's a GREAT starter mic but the E935 (on sale for $100 right now on Amazon and pretty much everywhere) is a 2 step upgrade over the Q2U. It sounds better than an SM58 too.
@@perfectalpha thanks I'll have to look into that one as well!
@@perfectalpha I'd recommend an e835 for budget, as it's cheaper new. And yes, I know this comment is a year old.
Something to keep in mind with the RE20 is that it needs to be serviced (~every 3 years is what is usually recommended). $200 US flat fee. The reason is because the 3 foam pieces in it disintegrate over time. Old RE20s sometimes sound terrible because of that. You can replace the foam yourself but you need to know how to solder due to the internal design.
Hi epos,
I don't have browser source on my OBS and might reinstall, is there a way to keep the scenes and profiles and update to get the browser source plugin
Reinstalling doesn't touch your scenes/profiles. Every update is just a normal reinstall. Nothing needed on your part :)
But you can export your profiles/scene collections if needed
@@EposVox thanks
Every mic works different on everyone's voice. There's a bit of trial and error in finding what fits your voice and personal preferences best. I sound like crap on the RE20 and SM7B, but the PR40 fits my voice wonderfully well. It's because the PR40's "disco smile" frequency response scoops out the mids a tad, and since I have a nasally, mid-rangey Gomer Pyle-ish voice, it reduces some of that unflattering vocal frequency to a great degree. It's one of the few dynamic mics I can use while listening to myself through earphones and be able to stand the sound of my own voice.
Podcastage is such a good content creator and reviewer. So glad I found him when I was looking to buy a microphone and audio interface.
the pr40 without any processing sounded way better than after process and re20 after process. it was very clear. I don't know witch one is closer to your real voice. judging by the graph it must be the RE. Also it seems like you got a more base with the PR40 when you were facing on its way and not to the camera.
Thats huge indicator of a cheap microphone..
@@43audio89 no, it's a sign of a highly directional microphone. Cheap mics tend to be noisy and less detailed, but they can come in many different pick up patterns. This particular microphone is very directional and it's advertised as such.
I could hear you touch up the EQ after you applied your "processoring" effects... lol!
The Heil has fantastic bass rolloff control. It's great for ensembals and choirs even though its touted as a studio solo mic.
It's hard to judge your distance from the mic but the sweetspot of the mic is a heck of a lot closer than you can get away with witth the RE20/SM7b.
If you talk at around 2 inch from the grill, it sounds MUCH, MUCH better on its own.
I love my PR40. But my voice is already a bit on the low end, so the PR40’s upper boost is a help if it’s anything.
I hate to say it, but the RE20 with processing sounds to over the top. I would guess you actually sound more like the unprocessed PR40 audio in person.
Good to know.
You know what beloved mic I hate? The SM7b...sounds dull, flat, and distant! I have one and have tried using it on many sources, with various different preamps, and it's always been lackluster.
I would agree with your assessment -- I would not pay to own one, personally, but I have installed a couple of dozen in radio stations that absolutely need what the SM7B offers in rejecting room noise. That "distant" sound you describe means background noise kind of fades away especially when the mic is worked close as broadcasters do. Push that thing through a vanilla processor like a dbx 286s, and by the time it gets through the station processing you've got a pretty good sound coming out peoples' radios. Not high end, but for commercial radio in today's world, just fine.
Wanna sell it? I'll give you $250 for it
Dude you have the voice that would sound good anything. Having said that, this mic is a plosive monster.
He mentions like all of my favourite UA-camrs! (BTW eposvox is also one of my favourites!) 😀
Not a fair test when no pop-filtering is applied to the Heil as with the RE20, which typically doesn’t need a pop-filter due to its design versus the PR40. Also, you can’t go from unprocessed with one and processed with another. The 528 is a terribly harsh processor too and most people way overdrive it for its aggressiveness. I hated the 528 setup here; it has too much density and appears to be rolling off both the highs and the lows. I’m not a fan of the PR40’s because of their ease of popping, but to know that and not address it equally is a really biased approach that is not at all and apples to apples comparison. I‘d get rid of the 528, move the pop filter to the PR40 and install or turn on a phase scrambler and call it the day.
I kind of disagree with this because we've used the PR40 a number of years in our Studios, when I was in broadcasting. I've compared it to a lot of the other high-end mics
Thank you
PR-40 sounds better
Mic sounds great, I'm really not sure what you're hearing. I'd check your monitoring situation.
Monitoring situation is fine.
@@EposVox fair enough, just saying from my end the Heil sounds objectively better - more articulate, less distorted, more balanced - in your tests
Great review.. As a "Audio Professional" working in radio and many other aspects of sound. I think you would be hard pressed to improve on the RE20.. Yes most of the time the microphone is processed. If you can find a Symetrix 528E microphone processor to put the re20 through that is about as good as it gets. All that being said there is no one "perfect" microphone for everyone. I know I have worked with radio hosts and often have to try several microphones before finding "right" sound.
Yeah I’m still trying to figure out my symetrix. Seems like a great value though
This is a really old mic designed for radio. I purchased my PR40 15 years ago for the new UA-cam channel with 10 minute time limit. A lot of mics have been developed since this mic first appeared. It was great in it's day, thus many positive reviews over the years. This would be like comparing a Panasonic 640 x 480 video camera, or VHS to 4k cameras.
15 years is not old in mic terms, the EV20 he shows in this video has remained unchanged since the 1960s.
very weird I have a semi deep voice but not Barry white deep LOL and the pr40 makes me sound deeper with no processing. When I hook up my usual processor I have to cut off some of the deep voice and raise the higher voice so I don't sound boomy with he pr40. so I find the exact opposite of what your video shows LOL weird. the re20 makes me sound like a muddy Barry white and is not understandable in some circumstances.
I tried it on Amateur Radio on an ICOM 7600 & the transmit audio was Terrible.I stayed with my HEIL FIN & it sounds Amazing.I Sold the PR-40 for what I paid for it so I have no issues.I have many other HEIL microphones and they are All AWESOME so I use them when on Amateur Radio and when I’m Performing on stage.
Disappointment for you maybe-with your voice and use-case. I love the PR40 in certain contexts, certain voices. It's excellent at projecting voice-overs to cut-through backing music, ambiance, etc., but probably not great on high-pitched or screechy voices. My other gotos are the SM7B, M-Audio Sputnik and Blue Baby Bottle. No mic is "perfect," they're brushes in a palette and you choose the best for the voice and the job at hand.
PR40 is typically used as an instrument microphone meant for kick drums and bass cabs
The Heil PR40 IS NOT designed for Ham Radio although Heil does make other microphones designed for Ham Radio. It has proximity effect that the RE20, RE27N/D, and RE320 do not have. The RE27N/D is brighter and less muddy than the RE20. The RE20 probably needs a scooped EQ, the amount needed dependent on the speaker and the voice. You can flatten the PR40 The Heil PR40 has the same pop screen you have on the RE20 available in a version for the PR40. You still have p-plosives on the RE20 and you might practice with lower plosives.
On hearing your voice for the first time - the first mic I would have chosen is the RE20 (without the processing - FTLOG step away from the processing - I'm having trouble understanding how you can make an RE20 sound so bad). You have a wonderful, rich voice that just needs a little compression and EQ in the midrange. I know this is 3 years down the track but as someone who has recorded many, many, many spoken word voices for every form of media, after hearing your voice on the PR40 - in my opinion you should swap to the PR40. Clarity, better - intelligibility, better - tone, better. Overall for your voice - a better mic.
I am with @amrediting on this one - I prefer the PR40 sound too. I use my microphones for audiobook narration and I like the PR40 better than my Neumann BCM705. The Heil is so crystal clear and I don't just mean in the highs, I also mean in the lows - it captures the nuances in my voice frequencies at around 80 Hz and the only mics I have tried that can do that is the U87ai and C414. PR40 does have harsh sibilance as a consequences of the clarity and requires a de-esser on a "take no prisoners" type setting (I use Precision De-Ess on the Apollo or Fabifilter DS in post).
PR40 is not designed for amateur radio use. That would be the PR781.
With a voice like yours, you ought to look at a microphone like oktava mk-12 which is a warm sounding microphone, a very good microphone for the price.
I reviewed that a month or so ago
was it with a cardioid or hypercardioid capsule?
What is your opinion on the AKG P420. I am mostly using it for Discord etc.
I’ve had great results with my Pr40.
You sound more natural with the PR40 than the RE20. Also, you have a pop filter on the RE20 and not on the PR40 -- that filter would also smooth out the harshness. Oh well, I guess someone is enjoying that mike now. :)
Pop filter would stop plosives, not really affect the sound lol
I LOVE my PR40 mics. I have two of them and they sound amazing for my voice.
I sold my RE320 because it totally didnt sound as good as mine. I dont have a lot of low end in my voice, so the PR sounds way better.
It took me a while, but I think I found the close cousin to the PR40's sound (if you like that sort of thing) for about half the price. Check this out and tell me if I nailed it: ua-cam.com/video/3h8x4pBmHTA/v-deo.html
Sorry for responding 3 years later but what is the mic you were referring to?
The Procaster?
Everyone is entitled to their opinions on their channel. But, we leaving comments are also entitled to our opinions. When you are used to compressing the heck out of your voice on a certain mic, then you get a mic that has a different frequency response, you just need to learn to adjust it accordingly. Most UA-camrs are self-taught on sound and frequencies, so they really don't understand standard broadcasting adjustments, which on UA-cam means absolutely nothing. So, when a mic like this comes along, they are expecting who knows what. Industry-standard is now a thing of the past. Stations use the RE20, SM7b, EV 320, Heil PR40, Rode, and many others, including some condensers. This review was dead at 1:49 as he stated that thinking that the mic was probably NOT going to win him over. Why do a review when you're predetermined to NOT like it? Anyway, One more thing: Many UA-camrs need to learn proper mic technique with different mics.
You sound better on the PR40... But you should really try the PR30 is you want a thicker sound like the RE20/320. The PR30 is more ribbon-esque, whereas the 40 is more condenser. I can already tell you'd love the PR30.
Whenever there’s over processing the natural tone of the mic gets lost in the sauce. These mics are broadcast grade and made to work out of the box without overly processed tweaking. That’s all I know. You have the industry standard of broadcast mics and I think if you take out the processing all problems will be solved. The RE-20 is the way to stay....
I think the Heil PR40 could sound good, but it would take a lot of tweaking, the fact that the curve is so high on the hi-end makes for a bit of extra work., but if it was made for ham radios I can understand this as a lot of time you don't have any type of processing so the booted high-end would, like you noted too, help cute trough a lot of low-end noise.
I have the Heil Pr 40 myself and the best way to sum it up is some voices are for certain microphone's and that is the case with the heil pr40 inless you like processing the hell out of it to force it to fit.
I am neutral, as I do not know you, nor have I ever heard you before. I am in the market for but have never owned a quality microphone , such as the ones you demonstrated or referenced. To my ears, after listening to this video twice, I thought you sounded better on the Heil PR40. Thanks for the video! Best of luck to you.
Well, I went with the RE20.
I’m getting it for amateur radio. There is a reason why you want highs over lows. Check out how SSB works. Its not about noice around you. Cutting out more of the frequency range lets the radio power go farther.
Your nice mic would probably do great on AM but defiantly not SSB. Sadly because AM isn’t used much at all do to its short range. Side not your voice matters a lot to and yours might do very well on SSB.
But I am disappointed that I may need to get a different mic for other things…
I use the PR-40, but I have to agree that on your voice, the EV RE20 does sound a bit better, more full.
Try an AKG P220.
The electrovoice does not produce the clarity of articulation as the pr40 does. I'm sorry you don't like it.
Ephemeral? I don't think it's a "flash in the pan" do you?
I was looking for a mic and had narrowed the field to an RE320, and a couple others including the Heil PR40. I saw the video comparing the two, and elected to buy the RE320. I probably would have purchased the RE20, but I didn't want to spend all that money and then have to purchase a cloudlifter, too! I'm really happy with my decision. I didn't really think that the PR40 was a good runner up to the RE320 after hearing the comparison. Thanks for helping me confirm my suspicions. I do wonder why the Heil PR40 is rated so high?
RE320 is definitely easier to work with out of the box. I'm considering going back to it at this point.
EV will tell you the 320 is not designed as a vocal mic for speakers, though they do show it being used by singers. There are definitely better choices and if you listen to it in a shootout it just doesn't measure up, in my opinion. There's a reason why broadcasters generally love the RE20, for a wider range of voices it provides a professional result. Shove it through some processing and you can really pop (not your "P" sounds, your whole sound). I am trying to find a link to the video where the guy from EV stated it wasn't a speakers mic, but I haven't been able to find it again. I just didn't like what I heard, and I have access to RE20s, SM7Bs, and a few different condenser mics that I like better.
This will be unrelated to the video, but some years ago I had some cheapo headset, but the microphone in it... It was *GOOD.* Obviously, it was no $10,000 studio microphone, but it sounded very clear (for that time), was loud & generally people were suprised when they heard me.
*I still miss it sometimes*
its simple that mic your voice and that preamp dosent sound good, change the preamp, thats if you want the mic to work
I actually like how the p40 sounds. Way more natural.
Lewitt 440 sounds better than either of the mics you mentioned///of course its a condenser
Yea I agree
Jschlatt watching this be like
Your older videos like this one seem to have better video quality
Doubtful.
I paid $250 for a PR40 five years ago. New.
It's awesome in a recording studio.
Completely agree. Low-end aside, the Heil sounds TINNY on your voice no matter how "clear" it may appear to other listeners. In a very general sense, the "modern", high, treble-heavy sound that has been so popular in the last 25 years is now undergoing a huge backlash, and for good reason: treble and high fidelity sound is over-rated and is especially fatiguing over prolonged periods of time. This is why darker mics like the SM7B have been so popular as well as the RE20. I would rather listen to a 2-hour podcast done with a warm ribbon microphone than with a modern, bright mic like the Heil. You wont even feel 2 hours of Ribbon, but 2 hours of a modern, bright mic scratching on your brain are like nails on a chalkboard. Grating and painful. They are now making mics that cover up to 30 kHz but this doesn't mean we would necessarily enjoy the inclusion of this added sound spectrum. In my opinion, anything over 15kHz for the human voice is ridiculous...and unnecessary. What also needs to be said is that everyone has a mic that sounds good on their voice but not necessarily good on others. Our voice's frequency response has to marry well with the microphone's own frequency response. If they gel well, it comes across as sounding pleasant, but if they don't gel, then it comes across as sounding unpleasant and even dissonant. This is why testing out an assortment of mics UNPROCESSED and IN PERSON is a wise thing to do before purchasing anything. A very smart way would be to rent a local professional recording studio for one to two hours that has an extensive mic locker and then try out their mics one by one to see which mics favor the frequency response (timbre) of your own voice. It would be the smartest $50 to $100 you'll ever spend, especially if you are considering investing in an expensive microphone purchase that should last you a lifetime. You then come out of the studio not only knowing which mic favors your voice but seven additional mics that also flatter your own voice. You would also have second set of ears (the audio engineer sitting in on the session) who would confirm or disaffrim your choices. My two cents.
The audio through the PR40 much better than the RE20 your example. It sounds this way for "your" voice, if you look at the spectral shape change of your voice is more suited to a different mic. The magnitude and phase of your voice means you're gonna sound like Martin Prince from the Simpons on certain mics, which is why you use the term "tin-ey". Roll off your voice and EQ and you'll be amazed.
It reuires alot of processing
I love your stuff. Always. But you missed the mark on this one. This is not a HAM oriented product. The PR-781 is that product.
First off, it needs a good preamp. I’m not talking a cloudlifter. I’m talking dbx or neve or a good channel strip. Second, this mic needs a compressor. And it is designed to have a flat curve to accept some EQ.
My podcasts have all been cut with this and with a minimum of post, but some good gear in front. 3 million listens can’t be that wrong.
Having said all this. My favorite application of the PR-40 is as a kick drum mike. For this job, it is simply amazing.
This mic is much better overall. Much clearer articulation and much better peak for 2.5k
dont listen to this nonsense, if the PR40 is highly aclaimed by so many.. surely theyre not all bad listeners, perhaps this user is not using it right. Have the PR40 many years and it absolutely shines on Basskick and certain vocals for sure. also have sm57, md441 and the PR40 belongs to the toolkit
This is the host mic for the second studio at my local community radio station. I fucking hate it. I thought it was just me comparing it to the RE-20 at our main studio. Even the RE-320s we have for guest mics sound better than this. I'm glad i'm not the only one that feels this way.
Very expensive? It costs less than than the RE20. They advertise the frequency bump. Different mics for different folks, Willis. Doesn’t sound bad in this video either to tell you the truth.
That's exactly what I thought. He says "its a very expensive microphone compared to my electrovoice re20"..wait what? Last I checked the RE20 was US$400 and the PR40 was US$329.
Heil PR40 had more presence in this video. I preferred it.
Yeah...honestly I don't like the way anyone sounds unless they're doing some heavy processing with the PR40. To me, the best dynamic mics are the RE20/27 N/D and SM7B. I LOVE the sounds those have.
they have pop filters thats why it doesnt sound the same
Pop filters don’t magically make the sound different, it just keeps plosives from being as much of a problem…
Honestly this mic is not worth the money at $325 from b&h it's only $70 cheaper than the SM7B AKA one of the greatest microphones of all time.
I've tested it out maybe once or twice and really never been impressed by it.
@J C I'll just go with an age old addage from my music school "if it's good enough for Michael Jackson to record thriller on, it's good enough for me"
You are wrong. Your voice sounds amazingly good though that mic. You are freaking your self out over nothing. That mic makes your voice sound great. The EV re20 sounds horrible in camparison.
Also, the PR40 has never cost $400 unless it is the gold-plated version.
Without eqing, it really does not sound very good.
It could just be my ears (listening with a usb interface and beyer dynamic dt 990 pro 250oHm headphones), but at the end, the raw audio a/c test almost sounds way better than your processed and compressed bit. It has depth, warmth, and punch. Well, maybe not necessarily better because of the difference in dynamic range, but there is way more detail in the tone of your voice, especially on the low end. The compressed/processed vocals sound flat and empty. That's odd. I have a friend who is planning to buy this microphone soon, and I like you thought at first it was going to be an awesome investment. I'll be sending him this video.
Yep, "empty" is exactly what I ran into when comparing to various mics
Glad I watched this.. at the same price range as A SM7B and background noise rejection also similar to SM7b youd expect the same quality.. i can hear the sibiliance just terrible. the RE20 is a god in it own rite but this mic is not holding the nuts of ether of them not even close.. Sounds like typical cheap condenser turned into a dynamic
Sounds like a q2u through usb
No amateur radio operator uses a PR40 while operating mobile.
Hello , Great Videos! I agree with you 100% , I use the EV RE320 and sound super great for my recordings and also hamradio. I do not use the heil pr40 for amateur radio because dont like how it sounds and you have to be super close to it and to lows. Also the EV RE27n/d is a A+. I use a Symetrix 528E and a 16 channel Behringer EQ and I get unsolicited great audio reports. Thanks for your informative videos.!!! Sell it or returned so you can get your money back!!!
again " I use a Symetrix 528E and a 16 channel Behringer EQ" you can use aPR 40 straight out of the box no additional post processing required! have used a pr40 for years and love it ! no need for a bunch of extra proccessing gear !
0:41 Heil-y sought after
DOH....
Having a decent mic is very important to any one person that makes a living using their voice,..but. .you have to bring something to the table also......
I do ;)
I never liked the PR40, to be honest. My 2 favorite dynamics are the RE20 and Rode Procaster. At least for me, my voice I've been told sounds best through both of those. I personally like the Procaster since it's not as bright as the 20 and it has slightly better rejection in my current space.
When compressing audio, it generally gets darker, not brighter. Radio stations voices go through several stages of singleband compression, multiband compression, and limiting. So what you say 7 minutes into the video, isn't correct. Rather, the high-freq boost of the PR40 will get less pronounced.
Also, on good monitors and headphones, you voice is A LOT more sibilant on the RE20. Shockingly so, as I'm generally more of an RE20 fan than a PR40 fan.
The mic is fantastic. You need to learn your tools.
What do I need to properly to use the Heil PR40 with an iMac since xlr to not lose any sound quality?
@@AtortAerials without knowing exactly what you are trying to do I can only give you what a typical signal chain would look like. Start with the mic. If you have the PR40 you have one of the best ones already. Next you need a booster to help lower the amount of gain that will be required for the preamp. I am using a Klark Technik CT1 and it is great, but to be honest most of the boosters made now are good for the money. Then you need the preamp. The Focusrite Scarletts do well with Macs and are user friendly. If you want to step up from that you can take a look at the Behringer UMC series interfaces. Last but not least, dont skimp on the cables. Get you a nice set of braided cables that are only as long as you need them to be. Then most important of all, take the time to learn how to use your tools.
To be honest you wouldn't see that great of an improvement just from a speaking voice changing between the two microphones, the Heil has a massive boost in the high-end and a low cut filter getting rid of anything below 80Hz where all the bass is coming from. To be honest the RE20 is a great microphone for the price but the RE40 is a much more 'niche' microphone, used for very specific purposes such as acoustic guitar or any other instruments that really sound good with a boosted high end. If you would want an upgrade from the RE20, the Shure SM7B would be a great pick up.
It's not the mic that's the issue. It's not for your voice.
For ham radio, the transmit bandwidth is only 100 hz - 3 kHz. They tune the mic so you can plug it into any radio and it will sound good on the air. The issue with too much bass on the radio is in a low signal to noise environment, the person you're talking to will just hear a low muffled mess, so they focus on the high end to cut through the noise. The thing is, literally every modern radio has some EQ, so you can make any microphone sound good.
Honestly, I think the RE20 / RE27 are better choices. The audio sounds better to my ears, and you can easily EQ them on a radio in a few seconds, plus the RE27 is a little more articulate in the highs, but retains that smooth low end which sounds great on the air.
Heil makes the PR-781 for ham radio. PR-40 is strictly for broadcast.
I noticed this behavior of the Heil PR40 in an comparison with the RØDE Procaster as well. I was quite alienated by it, considering how much more the PR40 does cost. So yea... knowing my voice, this would have made me sound quite weird on stream and I ended up getting myself the RØDE Procaster , tho I considered a Shure SM7B as well. I don’t want to hate on the PR40, but for me, the RØDE Procaster is mich better. I am very happy with it.
Turn those little faucets and fix it.
0:51 i got a 4k monitor today, i can easily see the large pores on your nose.
congrats?
EposVox 😂 welcome to dumb comments on UA-cam huh? 😬
PR40....for sure. Its more likely that you are personally just wanting to make yourself sound like what you believe a “radio” voice sounds like. The pr40 was simply a more natural sound of your actual voice
Sure if my natural voice was devoid of any kid range and sounded nasally as hell. It doesn’t sound like me at all