New Spotify Changes are EVEN WORSE than we thought
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- UPDATE : A source close to spotify has come out saying that this change will not affect songwriter and publisher royalties. Artists will still not receive 80% of their royalty payment if they do not meet this threshold under these new rules. (Provided they own their masters, publishing and are the songwriter, etc)
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UPDATE : A source close to spotify has come out saying that this change will not affect songwriter and publisher royalties. Artists will still not receive 80% of their royalty payment if they do not meet this threshold under these new rules. (Provided they own their masters, publishing and are the songwriter, etc)
Can we just collectively decide to stop putting our music on spotify at this point??? I could make more money selling CDs & stickers off instagram
I think Spotify just told all of us that they don't care if we stop putting music on there. It is all about funneling music to the labels now.
Too bad that Instagram is also slowly dying. Your reach is held back because they want to you to give them money.
I wish dude... but they really do have such a gigantic stranglehold on the market that even if all the independent musicians dropped off the platform, the average listener would still just do what they always do and listen to whatever new pop artist is out that week.
Step 1: Cancel Spotify Premium. No reason to support them if they don’t support us
Step 2: stop directing fans to Spotify (and hope this doesn’t spread)
Step 3: keep some music off of streaming and make it available through a platform of your choosing that allows you to connect directly with fans
What would those other platforms be?
@@Wal-DarkWater Maybe make a website and sell your music (is bandcamp gone now too?)... Maybe Patreon or Kofi ?
Or how about work on making a YT channel and get monetized--make music videos and content around your music 'brand' ?
Idk.. just spit balling and thinking out loud. Because, I'm thinking about these things now
@@TravisAvey84There's even a way to upload music without video directly to UA-cam, through the DDEX Music Feed.
@@TravisAvey84 Bandcamp .. I was gonna start using them - but just trying to find out what's happening there with them now with the buy out. I'm just kinda kicking off with stuff but all this just seems like its going to be one long hard road.... one that just keeps wrecking the tyres and no money to fix them ...lol. Anyway cheers & yeah I'm thinking about what the best prospects actually are 👍🏻
@@Wal-DarkWater Right now, I intend to stick with Bandcamp but of course their future is a big question mark. I don't presently release music often enough to justify trying to do Patreon. Step 0 should have been keep releasing music I guess.
So what can small artists do? Everytime someone says spotify I'm explaining that I'm getting demonetized because my pennies per year offends the corporate overlords.
Basically this is the end of being able to make money from music. No artist can sustain indefinite song play. People listen to music on playlists and those change all the time. So basically if your song isn’t in the top 100 you’re not going to make money. If this becomes a streaming standard this is the official nail in the coffin. Music business has been dying a harsh death and now they really don’t want to pay artists for their work. We need an alternative to streaming it does not benefit the artists in any way it just made money for the record companies and devalued the amount that we can charge for our art. We need a physical medium method that allows us to earn money with no middle man. We have allowed our art and time to be devalued. If we keep going no one will be able to make money from music. Streaming was never a viable way for music. It was poorly thought out and subscriptions model doesn’t offer enough income to make it sustainable for streaming services to operate let alone pay us an equal amount for our art.😊
i think physical could of been a good option but streaming devalued music. i don’t think most people would pay $10 for like we did when ipods 📱 first came out. me personally, i would enjoy and simplicity of physical mediums of music 🎵
You could always just use the internet to gain a following and tour your ass off. although, It would still be a huge hit to independent musicians incomes for sure :(
@@ultimadum7785 I agree it’s really tuff for artists trying to be independent. Even industry folks are having issues. If you can only generate Pennie’s for songs again unless you’re in the top 100 you’re not making money.
no im still going make money maybe more cause their not paying u ..i get over 1000 streams on every song im not on no major im still nobody this isnt even my real account even if u have 500 songs that 4$ or less that your losing isnt really much if this extra money actually goes to the artists a good thing as then the barrier to truly make a living is less .... would u rather have 200$ over the course of a year or would u rather have a better shot at making this a full time income id rather have the latter but maybe thats cause im im about haLF WAY THERE
@@jasonanderson5034 I don’t look at $200 out of a full year making money that’s poverty. That’s less than a salary at McDonald’s. So you think it’s cool to get stiffed for your art. Once they make this fully legal every streaming service will adopt this criminal idea. As it stands you’re only making well below .00001 per play that’s silly thinking. I would take the chance of moving off all streaming and go direct me to the consumer. Just providing a way that’s easy for the end user to manage and a way for me not to have music ripped like how this shit began via torrents. There has to be a viable format that can be protected from copy yet provided as a means of media for the user to use.
Another layer to all this that people aren't really mentioning is that at 1000 plays is when the song will BEGIN to make royalties. Not a threshold of payout but a threshold of earning at all...
so artists only get paid from stream 1001? It gets even worse
@@owlmuso Exactly. These are major blows to the independent scene
Yes, and the worst part of that whole approach is that the negative impact on the indie scene seems to be cynically intentional
@@owlmuso Well we can't deny the convenient timing with the downfall of bandcamp can we?
@@Finegritmusicofficial i mean not really its a hobby if u cant make 4$ a track
Let's flip this and imagine customers telling Spotify: hey, I won't pay my subscription until I have listened to a song 1,000 times in a year, you cool with that? We good? Great! See you in a year.
I don't recall if the changes you showed during the UA-cam comparision segment is from this situation exactly, but I remember people making a big stink when UA-cam was thinking about serving ads on _non_monetized channels, which felt pretty thefty. Cuz why can UA-cam make money from your video when the person who made the video can't?
In that sense, the UA-cam comparison to Spotify is very apt, since I'm assuming songs with >1000 plays are still gonna get Spotify ads played on them.
It's still worse, if those songs were uploaded on a paid distribution plan…
I have a 72k viewed video with ads for over 3 years now, and I don't get paid because I've not hit the 1000 subs yet.
Such a shame, I never reach even 1000 streams for a song yet still getting a few dollars here and there same as many artists that I know personally and gig locally. This will only serve to encourage those who value the numbers to pay stream farms to get their songs above the threshold.
i feel u
Same here. I don’t have a single song over 1k streams on spotify but I still get the odd few dollars here and there
If their only streams come from bots they will get removed from Spotify
Spotify hates you and wants to steal what little money you are making. But don't take it personally, because they hate ALL small artists like us. I'm rooting for the day that Spotify collapses.
Ah man the Swedish gangsters are gonna go pear shaped about this
I started Benn's video, and quickly decided I was not in the right state of mind to properly ingest an international multimedia investigative adventure.
Spotify also blew 310 million on NAMING RIGHTS FOR A STADIUM!!
All the changes spotify is making is to give more money to the larger artists while siphoning away any possible revenue from their smaller creators. Spotify is owned by Universal Music Group so any changes will always benefit them and their big name artists directly.
No, it doesn't. Universal Music owns just over 3% of Spotify's shares. Sony has less than 2.5%.
@@joechapman8208 Right. Accuracy is important in this… battle? 🥊
@@crnkmnky They've picked up yet another Like since I posted that. So no, we're doomed as a species. [edit] 6 Likes, ffs. [edit2] LOLOLOLOL
@@joechapman8208 How can people get basic info so wrong? Spotify was initially set up as a huge FU to the labels, they hated the fact they had to give the labels anything at all.
@@PianoVampireYeah initially. Not nowadays
So Spotify decided to give us a huge middle finger 🖕
Probably better to a) self host your music / bandcamp and b) just get monetized on UA-cam and make content around your music, make music videos and whatnot
I completely agree at this point. That is exactly what I just posted before reading this.
If this takes effect, then I'll pull all my music off of Spotify. I'm sure a lot of artists will follow suit.
I sure hope so
Seems like that us what they want tho
It’s bullshit. I don’t make a lot for my Spotify, but I make enough to buy a new piece of gear a year. Small artist already Not favored on the algorithm, and I bet they’ll be some trickery in the background they make it even worse. So we’re basically paying to be on Spotify to get them content with likely zero monetary value for the artist.
Exposure don't come cheap..........
Wonderful! Now the little that artists are getting paid for their small amount of plays won't be getting paid at all. 🤦
Best idea ever, why pay trash producers
@@gtubglelike you 😂
guess I'll have to start listening to my own songs again - 5h on loop per song should do it
They will penalize you for this as well unfortunately.
All the steaming companies making these changes almost simultaneously is no coincidence. The golden era of steaming is over and now comes the “you’ll own nothing and be… upset-but-not-do-anything” era.
Yes consumers are becoming more docile by the day. But hey why protest something when nobody else will.
I feel like streaming services were the beginning of that anyways...
Just wait till Artificial Learning Algorithms fuck over EVERY MUSICAN. Even the major label ones! Just think, why would the average music listener ever listen to something new and exiting when they can just stream "Lofi Beats To Relax/Study To" number 1,000,000,000,000,001?! It makes me absolutely livid that major labels have so much power that it isnt even possible to organize a musician strike on par with the 2023 writers strike smh...
uggh... thousands of songs uploaded, probably 60% won't make the cut but most have around 500-600 streams...
We independents need to take our music into our own hands. With the greedy 3 always trying to scam us out of our own money, it's time we find a way to take our music back away from them. Cut the middleman out. I think it wise to search for ways to develop our own websites hosting our music exclusively. Can't cut us out of our own sites.
Seems like a good time to check whether the FCC reinstated "net neutrality," to prevent the next trick up their sleeve…
Do you have time to make good music while also self-hosting a website? Will your ISP cut you off or charge you more for all that traffic? Are you even allowed to use your home internet for commercial purposes? What about security? This sounds good in theory but it's a monstrous task even for more technical people. The average musician is boned.
In Germany we have a pretty shitty “music assoc and publishing rights” company (GEMA) that when they manage your songs you are not even allowed to play them anymore without paying royalties to them. And money distribution is set up in a way so that the managing members music style gets the most royalties. What a coincidence. Nobody in their right mind who is not a top 10 artist is contracting them. Many years ago somebody had an idea to create a distribution and royalties company that would be fair and you still owned your own music. It failed miserably because of some law things and the influence of GEMA. I am a musician as well but I have basically given up. Even if we have “our” platform. People would still only use Spotify. Sure I upload to all streaming services and stuff. But this is a “just in case”. I find much more pleasure in just giving my music to my friends and their friends and enjoy when they like it. Making “good music” in the way that many people listen to it means being constrained too much. I just want to make music that I like and what I think is good music.
@@fkknsikk you can get a cheap server for about 10$/mo from scaleway, load it with an LNMP stack and slap a wordpress on that bitch with a cart, would take all of 25m to set up, that shit isn't hard.
i think physical could of been a good option but streaming devalued music. i don’t think most people would pay $10 for like we did when ipods 📱 first came out
"drug laundering money". shout out to Benn Jordan's latest expose.
Spotify is becoming the musical equivalent of the Insta influencer who swears you'll get "views" and "exposure" if you give them free stuff you made...
Great insight. I agree with pretty much all of your takes. It is especially bad that the press don't cover how this will effect a lot of artists on a song by song basis. That is a very important point and shouldn't be overlooked.
Which part do you disagreee with?
Labels are just scared of competition and just wanna hog everything
Competition ? From artists with no marketing ? Nah
@@wormsali they can't innovate with sounds since they are finsafe and don't make anything unique
4:14 when you first said it would be insane to have 500 sounds, I had that same awkward feeling rush over me of how many “songs” I have produced that will never see the light of day or are lost to time. 😳
Musicians can't unite, never could & never will - thats the real issue.
Always the same: cash rules everything around me!
Major labels and the BIG Players Artists loosing money cuz of indie artists so they preempt them!
I wonder if there will ever be a change in the favour of artists 🤔 we just constantly losing
If they paid more per stream I'd be cool with a higher threshold, but nah they putting that in their pockets
@@CheapSushi makes sense they all own a piece
Spotify just needs to shut down. End of story.
So...Spotify is basically discriminating against small artists.
Yep, had a feeling that when the lid got lifted a little higher on this Spotify crap, we were gonna see a bunch of the Usual Major Label Shenanigans. And Weaver, you did not disappoint.
This is yet another attempt to maximize Big Label profits by getting rid of smaller indie artists and labels. And since UMG runs Spotify, this shouldn't be that much of a stretch. So, in between devouring scads of indie labels and flambéing a large chunk of music history, UMG is probably the main culprit here, too.
Majors view indies as having a "parasitic relationship" with them. They want the money and the control...but not the rest of the "inconveniences", such as developing new talent, doing proper accounting, and the other necessary stuff. So time again, they've "stripmined" things, such as snarfing up the majority of UK indies back during the punk movement in the late 1970s, or locking up entire scenes, such as ones in the Pacific NW (ie: the "grunge" scene pre-blowup) or Athens, GA back c. 1982. Then to make sure THEIR new shipment of slav...uh...newly-signed talent would be THE new hit pop stars, there would be very subtle moves to "sour" things for their competitors. And the Majors can be QUITE "persuasive" when money's on the line!
Well, what to do...one idea might be to drop this in the lap of the US Federal Trade Commission. They tend to take a really dim view of people working for ZERO pay. And if what's going on is anything like what I suspect, there'll be a load of scrutiny that Spotify ain't gonna enjoy all that much. Antitrust much, hmmm?
And what about our performance royalties? THOSE aren't administered by Spotify! Instead, you have a worldwide network of Performance Rights Organizations...ASCAP and BMI in the USA, JASRAC for Japan, SOCAN in Canada, GEMA in Germany and so on. Will Spotify be sending their "spins" to these PROs? I'm guessing...no. So there's some MORE people getting yanked around by Spotify/UMG's bullshit.
Thankfully, there's plenty there that a civil court judge would give the skunk-eye to. The FTC also might view Spotify's actions as monopolistic, which could force UMG to divest their Spotify holdings due to the obvious conflict of interest and likelihood of self-dealing. But the BEST tactic is probably for all of us independent artists to MAKE LOTS OF NOISE about what's happening here. These sort of corporate ploys don't last when you hit 'em with a dose of public disclosure. Let's see if we can get this in front of buttloads of major news organizations so as to ramp up the good ol' righteous indignation...then watch UMG try and make a break for under the fridge like the art-wrecking vermin they truly are!
Oh wow universal music group ownes Spotify. It all makes sense now.
The best tactic is don't put music on streaming without marketing it
I heard the term "flip the coin" in some business related discussion. They have flipped the coin on the music business. The musician and artists are now the customers to take the money from. When there's lots of people wanting something there's always money to be made. What happens now when people don't care to pay for music anymore there's no money to be made "hmm, let's go to those people who care about music, but who are they? ... the musicians! Let's make them pay for their own stuff to get it out!" All You Need Is Cash, Cash Is All You Need.
i failed to figure out who gets the payment from the plays that the artists can´t monetize? if it goes into the distribution amongst all others, then this will benefit the big record labels, and if it goes to Spotify themselves, then... WTF
a few rich artists for the uninterested listeners.... perfect busines !
The variable rate is because it's calculated from the total pool of earnings based on your total contribution to streams. So those who get more streams ear more per stream. also the rate varies because earnings from different countries are worth different amounts.
I've also seen a interview recently its a year or so old now of Danny worsnop (vocalist of asking alexandria) saying spotify is trying to get out of the music game all together and go podcast only. Apparently there is more money in podcasts than music .
@@Wurldz that was just something I seen recently I appreciate your insight man and adding on to it. Gave me more info on the subject also. These companies just want to milk everything they can.
He was probably also getting at the fact that podcasts don't have royalties, they make their money with internal adds, so Spotify doesn't have to pay most podcasters anything, unlike musicians
We've been complaining how saturated streaming is. Now that's bout to change
Shoutout to the homies that never uploaded to spotify in the first place. Soundcloud4lifeyo
The article Weaver is reading from said UMG is also in discussions with Deezer and SoundCloud to make things "better" for "artists." 😏
Goodbye Spotify!
Since the beginning of music companies, they have always screwed the creators. The only difference is that it's now automated.
Spotify go bankrupt !!!
SPOTIFY STEALS FROM STARVING ARTISTS HUNGER STRIKE starting on Thanksgiving!
Dear Santa, all I want for Xmas is Spotify to pay all music workers, the higher rate US govt said it must, 5 years ago! Fellow music workers join me, even partial starving. I have chronic illness, so I have to ate least get protein, so I will consume 40g of whey protein concentrate (nothing added), water, salt, vitamins, medicines. I'm a producer and activist for over 30 years, we must stand together. I am also beginning to remove tracks. I tried to call for a sit in, an Occupy Spotify NYC, but been in bed 99% of last year, so hunger strike is the best I can do.
steal ...no u guys all have the chance to take your music off their property their not stealing anything they dont owe u anything its their sie their rules .... its not theft
We can’t really pin all of the blame on Spotify for this problem. Yeah, they’re treating independent artists like shit, but they also don’t have much of a choice. Huge labels like Universal have a lot of control over Spotify, so if Spotify refused to do what they wanted, those labels could threaten to pull their music from Spotify. If they did, Spotify would lose out on a lot of profit since most people who use Spotify don’t care about smaller artists and are just there to listen to the music owned by the larger labels; it’s called mainstream because the large majority listen to it. Apple and Amazon don’t have this issue because most of their profits come from their other services such as Apple’s iPhones or Amazon’s online shopping service. Spotify has been trying to rely more on podcasts to soften the impact in case those labels do pull their music, but revenue from podcasts will only do so much. So while it’s easy to blame this all on Spotify, it’s important to recognize why they’re making the choices they make and look at the real culprits: big record labels. The contracts that the two have together are worth millions of dollars and Spotify is under a lot of pressure to keep loyal to those contracts. Not saying that their changes are right, just saying that not all of the blame is on Spotify.
Honestly if major labels just fucked off from Spotify, Spotify would be a much better place, because the labels would have no where else to go streaming wise.
So basically we should just upload to SoundCloud because it's free for everyone, we won't get paid anyways..? You make a good point, making good music doesn't mean it gets attention. I find it sad that music has to be approved by the masses before It gets the recognition it deserves.. Yet it can't get approved until it's heard..? Why do I feel like it's offensive to a lot of people to promote something you devoted your time and energy into? It's like grandmas cooking vs a happy meal, but the kids all go for the happy meal instead of something obviously with more zest. Grandmas = homies & Happy Meals = Major labels & Spotify. Sorry this subject just turned into a train wreck of related topics I'm sure everyone is thinking rn.
u should just upload it everywhere if u want it to be heard isnt music made to be heard u cant even make money if its not heard
I guess that's true. I just don't really understand why we all choose to enable these companies to take advantage of small artist other than the fact that the majority of people choose to use mainstream platforms without giving it a thought.@@jasonanderson5034
Not good overall for independents. This sets a dangerous precedent. Who's to say 1000 stream minimum won't become 1,500....2,000....5,000 per track? smh
the extra money goes to people who actually make money .... it lowers the bar of making this a full time job for people who are close tot hat like myself this maybe a huge benefit
indie labels shouldnt put full albums on Spotify anymore, we will be back to early streaming platforms
Feel better soon man!
I don't understand why so many people are upset. If you're not able to get a thousand streams a year on a song, you only lose about four dollars max.
You can make them out to be the bad guys but know the fact that 85% of profiles on spotify don't have more than 50 followers. So they are not making anything already. and the server cost to keep those millions of artists on the platform will certainly outweigh the revenue generated. Given that they pay artists as a percentage of total streams on the platform, this should result in a slight increase to those that do make a living on their (nobodies like me). People think you can't just say "hey I make art now pay me" but this career is not one (and never has been) of any guaranteed income, you actually have to work and be good at your job.
I don’t know why anyone uses this platform when they obviously use payola and bots to promote certain artists over others. It’s artificial. We need a platform that is artist/user focused.
because it dosent hurt u it actually helps u users arent leaving spotify for a nobody they never heard of users find nobodies they never heard of on spotify
It just feels hopeless. What's the point of hoping anymore.
Everyone needs to pull their music from Spotify… focus on the top 3 that actually pay properly “in comparison to Spotify”
Lol Spotify can Kick Rocks!!! I will be removing all of my music 😄😄😁😁
Where's the money, Lebowski?!
Did you already write the check out? I don’t want to put me in a new tax bracket??
BANDCAMP MY FELLOW MUSICIANS :))
that’s what i been looking into as of recently 💯
Screenwriters and actors guild stick together to get paid fairly but the important difference is not just anyone can join those organizations. You have to be WORKING IN THAT INDUSTRY. For musicians there has been no barrier to entry so every TomDick&Harry has music on Spotify
Great overview!
All of these DSP’s are definitely going to have major lawsuits next year
Instead of giving their users tools to find good obscure music, Spotify decided to just get rid off unpopular songs. How then it’s different from a radio station that only plays pop songs?
It has evolved into the very thing it was originally meant to disrupt: big labels, radio stations, and other gatekeepers. Now Spotify is the ultimate gatekeeper!
This reminds me that meme quote "you either die a hero, or live long enough to become a villain".
@@InventorZahran I don't think they ever actually planned on "disrupting" anything. They just initially needed people on their site to get started and immediately fucked everyone over the second major labels stepped in
Great! I was really feeling good today! THANKS Weaver, Thanks alot! I'm sooo depressed... I can't do this ANY more.....oh, Tacos? You say?? 🌮🌮 😸😸
I think a lot of the Lofi artist are Spotify created or somehow gaming the system. I mean, you have some Lo Fi artists with millions of plays and only one song. I mean, how is that even possible?
I don't agree. "scale that up by 100 songs" means that's $400 a year. If you can't make $400 a year as an artist with 100 songs uploaded then isn't that your problem as an artist? no artist wants to hear that they aren't good enough yet, but surely that amount of songs with no uptake in brand recognition would be classed as 'spam' at this point! Or at the very least the artist after a hundred tracks should have a clue to what isn't working. My first 100 youtube videos didn't earn either, because they suck. I don't go expecting to be paid just because I made something, That's art, you don't get paid for most stuff, it's not a human right to say "I make art therefore I deserve a living" unfortunately.
I have hundreds of tracks up because I like to try stuff, but I am growing my brand and following as an independent artist should. I self release only and I am managing 100k streams a week at this point. I am not in bed with any majors, other industry contacts , and nor so I use click farms / boosting. So damn right I would like to be rewarded above someone who leaves white noise on for their dog's anxiety while they leave the house every day.
spotify sucks
Why would you want to be part of their catalog if they just scam everyone and hand your money over to major labels?. If I pay a monthly sub, I'd want my payment to be distributed amongst the artists I'm actually listening to I.e. if I listen to 1 artist, most or all my money goes to them.
Perhaps certain artists could join a common pool where the algorithm promotes each others music, and a percentage of revenue is shared amongst them.
There should also be a donation feature if you want to support the artist directly.
Yeah a donation feature would definately help things, but this is Spotify we're talking about, they don't care about the independent musician, they only care about themselves and Major labels lining their pockets
because it dosent hurt u people arent going to go on a goose chase for a nobody artist
hehe.. I will take you word for it! :)
And in the end, music…good music…good vibrations, don’t get to permeate the airways and now we are suck with Totalitarian Monopoly Music.
i don’t see the issue with the spotify monetization threshold. the platform we’re on right now doesn’t monetize every upload. and this should make the price per stream substantially larger for artists who crack the 1K. grind and crack the 1k like UA-camrs do so you can reap the benefits 🤷🏽♂️
For real. I see tons of excuses here. If you’re not getting over 1K plays you’re loosing like $3 per song or something so who cares, these same people talking about pulling their music because of it like ok well say bye to the busiest music platform. I say stop whining it’s been this way for like 10 years now and working musicians make money, not lazy ones who throw songs on Spotify and say they should earn a living.
@@OkeeBrand 💯 we demand more for streams they give a solution and we cry. nah that’s crazy. this the music business not show and tell.
eat the major labels.
Sucks because so far I've made $5 and it feels good. It's motivating and adds to the fun of it. Even 1000 streams a year total sounds totally fine to me, even if I only make $5 a year. There's just something good about feeling valued and given some kind of compensation for people checking out your stuff, same like on Twitch & UA-cam (which has a high threshold too of course) yet UA-cam now still monetizes your video with 100% going to them. I guess this just puts more money into those already at the top making money. I doubt the folks like me making $5 a year are hurting Spotifies bottom line. Heck, that doesn't even pay for the Distrokid distribution to get on their on the first place.
well think about this if artists actually get more money per stream then the bar of making this a job is lower it benefits those who ar close to truly making it as a musician full time
@@jasonanderson5034exactly
Distrokid makes a lot of money from artists who make less than $20 per year. No one ever talks about that.
@@budgetkeyboardist i used to own A almost 100% free distribution company i charged 5$ a year for unlimited releases with yt content id and no extra fees... ... i also had a free plan where i took 8% of royalties.. costed me 800$ a month basically nobody joined after a year and some Small ad campaigns i had like 120 users that actually made a release i shut down because of a lack of funds and support
Just on making the video and sharing how you feel about smaller artist, I am going to personally stream one of your Ep's one Thousand Times!!
u will own nothing and be happy …
I try to send all people that listens so my music to tidal now. I know a lot of people who want to switch to tidal too.
This is so ridiculous.
yea 18 month wait on royalties sounds amazing along with the tiny userbase that has like 1% of the users as spotify a million streams on tidal is as hard as getting 200 million on spotify
@@jasonanderson5034 yeah i know. but maybe someday i could change. idk.
I was really depressed after watching this ...but then I pressed like ..& what do know - billy bonus I get have a track streamed 1000 times! ...right?
its from the damn vape bro
Slippery slope isn't a fallacy. I mean it is but it doesn't mean what you think it is. It's explained on the screenshot though...
Saying african children will die because of Spotify paying less to underground beat makers is a fallacy.
Saying child molesters will molest more children when we legalise child molestation is not a fallacy.
I have no tracks to monetize but this aftermath of blitzscaling is painful
Well crap I'm done using Spotify. I was absolutely right, even lesser known classic bands are going to feel the pain. They are expensive but you can buy your own servers and set up your own websites I wouldn't know other than that how to become a record label but it bears looking into at this point. If the dark history of the old guard wasn't enough to motivate you this should be. learning the history of the music labels is not something you want to take to bed with you though.
yes u can do that but u cant drive nearly as much traffic to your unknown website as spotify can to your profile having both is best .... your not making people switch music streaming services your making people not hear your music
@@jasonanderson5034 it's not my music I'm just a former user.
wait that not 0.01cent this would add up to a ton,(anything over a dollar i feel should be yours) think about albums with 800 plays on every song. what about poorer countries? this would target them the most. a few dollars have greater meaning to them.
if you make something and make a dollar that's yours, if you make a million streams songs then that gets 1,000,999 you get paid for that 999 so why can they chose to value the millionaires over the little guy? this was done by a maximise profits MBA type "its only a few cents or max a few dollars each but it adds up to millions!!" not understanding the huge huge PR and artist hit they might take with this. this isn't done by healthy companies, this is bottom of the barrel shitz
how many made 3 dollars and that started a fire in them "wow i can make money with this"? this is the most tone deaf why to try to fight the race to bottom. i think if we knew how many of these 100,000,000 stream songs are faked and boosted. how many huge artists are really small. you know when you hear that boring trap beat with same boring lyrics then you see 80 million streams. you ask think "well it must be popular, maybe im wrong?"
its their rules their company u can take your music down u can dislike he rules all u want but u have no right oveer this and no power
Who needs spotify? Get a cd player.
To implement this they'll have to change to annual payment. The current monthly payments won't work because what happens if you don't meet the 1000 threshold after 12 months? They gonna take that money back?
Jezus, imagine all the artists e-begging in december to their fans to get to the threshold every year ......
The enshittification continues
Im a puppeteer now. Fuck it
Slippery Slopes are Real my dude!
waiting on those 1000 streams from weaver himself
Does this mean if a song got 1000 streams one year, but 1,000,000 the next.... the song wouldn't have been monetized on those streams?
no
Monetization would start after the initial 1000 streams, so you theoretically would receive payment for the future 1,000,000, but get nothing for the first 1000 because Spotify is shit and wants you to eat that negative money I guess
why would u even think this get someone else to handle this for u
lol what daw is this
wait that shi had like fl studio 11 pattern rack XD and then it also has fl studio workspace below ableton? workspace no clue what mixer that is tho
We need blockchain music distribution. Pitiod
Maybe this is part of why music sucks today.
How is not getting paid a win for Independent artists lol
not even 2 min. in the video and already some pub ? no thanks.....
To have the effing temerity to call the change a way to help emerging artists. Newspeak BS
Switch to Apple Music
*Tidal, they pay artists better
No switch to Tidal
@@eightoheight and they barely have anything
This is very, very fair. Bless you all. Eat more pizza guys.
Oh there are bot artists now?!
Any possibility of a class action lawsuit based on discrimination?
no lol are u serious your so entitled to think u desvere anything take your music down
All the best musicians and songwriters these days are massively unknown and relatively private because they want no part in the music industry they see. Most real artists I know want nothing to do with fame. I am one of these. I have fans who put me in their top 3 ever, but you will not find my music here or on any digital distribution service. Actually, in this day and age I find myself hiding my music and identity more than ever.. and the music is better than it's ever been. Most legit artists aren't into financing the lifestyles of corporate douche-monkey payola-pimpz and being owned/controlled like a dog.
Could you shout out some of these artists? I know their stuff won't be easy to find, but I'd love to hear some of these artists stuff. but how are they able to make a living? Are they forced to spend much of their time at a day job? Or do they have physical mediums they sell and play shows and survive that way?
@maxricemusic656 what genres do you enjoy most?
@maxricemusic656 there are some great finds that are only found on reverbnation.. so I'm guessing they don't seek fame. One of those is Critical Bass Theory. It's on RN and has some unexpectedly awesome songs with unexpected changes. I just live stuff with heavy bass.
@maxricemusic656 the best musicians I know don't rely on music to live. They are batista, burger flippers, carpenters and pool cleaners. The freedom of having money makes the experience 10,000x better...especially in an oversaturated market where the only ones buying music seem to be the music directors of media. The best musicians probably just served your coffee, installed your sink, forklifted your groceries from a truck to a warehouse, or delivered just papers to someone's office. Not having a job is a death sentence for 99% of artists' art. My metal friends usually pay to play a show, unless they get lucky and find someone willing to pay them. And they seem happy enough
@@WormholeNavigator Thanks for the reply man! yeah this is what I figured. I have a degree in audio engineering, and I thought I would pursue making money from my art, or being a "music producer" but it feels like the wrong move. I think I am going to use my degree to get a solid A/V tech job, and try to maximize my free time for making music without any corrupting capitalist competitive interests sucking the soul out of my work. I'll have more stability, and won't be in an utterly uninspiring rat race against other artists and producers.
I have an experimental electronica, trap, instrumental album, but have been sitting on it not knowing how I should go about this. I think I will put it on streaming, but I'll focus on bandcamp, and sending people there and the local scene, but before anything else, the ART itself, and maybe I should make it more niche and not even put it on streaming sites where we are making art for companies to exploit and get rich off of.
This whole conversation reminds me, I was listening to a podcast where the music producers said "the 32 bar ethereal intro is dead, because peoples attentions spans are short on streaming" and I nearly gagged. I mean could we ever imagine Mozart saying such things? Appealing to the lowest common denominator so you can make more money? Sad state of music today, screw the "industry", we are the whores, and the ruling class executives are the pimps in that game.
quality for the win