According to interviews, they sadly had nothing to offer Jeremy as a character after this. It's a bit of a shame. Though he *does* pop up once or twice in some of the comics.
@@gwouru Would it really surprise you if he thought he was? Patric Stewart’s acting is so good he could convince us the nastiest roach filled prison food in the world is actually a five star meal rivaling Gordon Ramsay’s finest cuisine if he wanted. The “Jeremy” child actor in this scene sucked however I’m sad to say. Too bad they couldn’t of got Elijah Wood or even Mcauley Culkin to play him instead and yes I know but dammit Mac’s acting was good or at least halfways decent when he was a child lol.
Amazing how from the first episode Picard is portrayed by the series and himself as a man not equipped to deal with children but the more the series unfolded we see a person who was a prime example of everything a father should be. Stern but caring and a firm believer in morality and discipline but very compassionate.
I love all of these comments implying that this kid should have remained a mainstay of the show and made repeated appearances or something. Like the crew should have adopted him ala Wesley in S2. Most glaring of all implying that fans wouldnt have got bored of this kid by the next episode and wanted him gone immediately. It was a touching moment for an episode about bereavement and grief. Thats all.
Wonder why that is.... maybe it has something to do with what the recent shows are trying to say, over what the Gene roddenberry ones were trying to say.... Hmmm.... everything woke turns to shit.
@@gwouru aw yes, star trek, one of the first shows to feature women in command roles, or even on screen in general, constantly preaching equality for all life, even embracing non hetrosexuality, famously not woke.
@@theendofthestart8179 You're confusing woke with something decent. People have equality, equal outcome is a horrible thing. Equal opportunity exists. Plus all the other garbage that comes with 'woke', such as making up racism, where there is none, and many many other bad things. There's nothing wrong with equality, in Star Trek, it's the other crap I was talking about. Like in Picard... They really did a disservice in that show.
@@gwouru "Woke" is a term that you pathetic right wing idiots co-opted to mean anything borne from common sense and decency. Woke only exists in your head. I'd see a psychiatrist if I were you, or at least a psychologist.
This scene means a lot to me, because throughout life, whenever I am alone, turning on the TV and watching the adventures of the Enterprise-D is probably the only thing on this earth that I can turn to instantly that suddenly makes me feel not so alone. It feels so much like home.
Many times I heard lines on TV that made me wish my family and the people in my life were that way. Unfortunately I thought that meant I had to become this big beautiful thing and show something back to them. But when you don't have the support and presence to be that successful, it doesn't always happen.
I know what you mean. Some environments we can end up in for no fault of our own are like energy traps where the more power you divert to the engines, the more it grabs you. Except that flying full speed ahead into it won't free you but hurt beyond bearability. Just drifting might do the trick. No force either way. Might require letting something in you die that you thought you needed but was implanted by the trap.
To be fair, she did actually council people, including Picard, in several episodes. But her primary function was to cheat things off the ship with her empathic abilities.
That was no villain. Don't disrespect it. No villains in this episode rather than the unseen villains who did the attacking in the events leading to this episode that were offscreen.
She raised an amazing boy by herself. He did respectful and took this amazingly well. This sort of news would make anyone fall apart. He didn’t overreact or throw things at them or anything like that. Just shows the legacy she left behind. That’s the goal of any parent: that your child is a blessing to the world (or galaxy in this case) not a curse.
Star Trek: Picard writers: "Can we replace this scene with a 20 minute kung fu sword fight?" "Well, at least they mention an explosion, let's see that! And 5 or 6 more explosions! Kabooom! Weee!"
That was a different episode. This episode had the boy bond with Worf. The title of the episode is The Bonding (season 3 episode 5). The one where the boy pretended he was like Data was titled Hero Worship (season 5 episode 11)
You know, Jeremy showing up in Picard would be kinda interesting..lol, I could see him working with the people Seven worked with or something, I doubt he'd go Starfleet after they got both of his parents killed but I'd love to see callbacks like this character.
I have never seen an on-screen (or off-screen for that matter) example of easing someone into it by telling the whole story from the beginning, in order to lead into it with empowering thoughts that give context to the painful outcome. Seems natural to me, but hey, what feels natural to me is extremely hard to get in this world.
It was. But it was also terrible lines to give him. A kid that age would tear up and not be able to form consistent or articulate sentences, having an overdose of emotional stimuli. Probably wouldn't even want to speak or be able to acknowledge understanding. Hell, when something as simple as a parents announcing divorce without having given proper clues pre-emptively kids that age rarely manage to understand.
Thor Pedersen It is my understanding that Gene Roddenberry himself insisted that people, even children, in the 24th century were beyond grief. But at this point, I'd like to recommend watching SFDebris' review of this episode in which he also talks about the background of this episode. Very interesting to watch.
Thor Pedersen Yes, they did. But as I said: According to my information, Gene Roddenberry didn't want anyone to grief in TNG, even though they did in "Skin of Evil". In his review about this episode, SFDebris talks a lot about its background and something called the Roddenberry box.
"One the Starship Enterprise no is alone." That single line's right up there with lines like "Help will always be given at Hogwarts to those who ask for it" Except this line wasn't written by a transphobic bigot... That I know of.
I really wonder what roddenbury would have had to say about it. It's almost certainly something that would have come up, if it were an issue back then, TNG was _extremely_ vocal about that kind of thing. Oh wait, I completely about the Orville episode
No, just a sexist one. Roddenberry was equally guilty of bigotry as Rowling is, just bigotry of a different type. I don't think that diminishes the value of either stories, however.
everyone experiences grief differently. being raised on a starship, there's always the risk of it exploding, being in a fight with an alien species, getting blown out into space, beamed into a quasar, etc. kids and families were most likely conditioned and taught that that's the price for living on a starship.
This is seasons before the Picard character experienced the 30 years of raising a family and growing old in the episode "The Inner Light". Some people say Picard warmed up after gaining the experience of that simulation, but I say BS; he was always warm and kind on the inside before that episode.
"On the enterprise no one is alone" except that after this episode he was never heard of or seen to ever again & just left alone.
According to interviews, they sadly had nothing to offer Jeremy as a character after this. It's a bit of a shame.
Though he *does* pop up once or twice in some of the comics.
@@izzyraimi .. there are plenty of scenes he could have been in, even just playing with kids in the background or in school.
He went to Q'onoS to reclaim the honour of House Mogh and take his seat at the high council.
@@rollerbladinggeek5507 If I'm remembering correctly, Worf adopted him, and he went to live with Worf's adoptive parents on Earth.
@@gwouru Oh yeah
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Watching this as a lonely child, this meant so much to me. It was as if he were gripping my hand, telling me I wasn’t alone.
Not sure why... Did you think you were on the Enterprise with them?
@@gwouru Would it really surprise you if he thought he was? Patric Stewart’s acting is so good he could convince us the nastiest roach filled prison food in the world is actually a five star meal rivaling Gordon Ramsay’s finest cuisine if he wanted. The “Jeremy” child actor in this scene sucked however I’m sad to say. Too bad they couldn’t of got Elijah Wood or even Mcauley Culkin to play him instead and yes I know but dammit Mac’s acting was good or at least halfways decent when he was a child lol.
You were
@@gwouru Thats not MelodicMantra means, retard! To many kids who had asshole parents and/or no friends; Picard was our TV Dad or TV Kind Uncle.
"After we drop you off at Starbase, however..."
Bruh.
Amazing how from the first episode Picard is portrayed by the series and himself as a man not equipped to deal with children but the more the series unfolded we see a person who was a prime example of everything a father should be.
Stern but caring and a firm believer in morality and discipline but very compassionate.
Say what you will about the kid but Captain Picard's line is awesome.
I love all of these comments implying that this kid should have remained a mainstay of the show and made repeated appearances or something. Like the crew should have adopted him ala Wesley in S2.
Most glaring of all implying that fans wouldnt have got bored of this kid by the next episode and wanted him gone immediately.
It was a touching moment for an episode about bereavement and grief. Thats all.
It's a joke
I maintain that TNG was a transformative influence in my upbringing.
Too bad so many people were raised by television, rather than their parents.
Even though it's a fictional show, but that scene can make anyone cry
nah, lot of people wouldn't cry.
@@gwouru cool story dipshit.
This is the sort of heart which has been missing from Star Trek in all of the recent shows
Wonder why that is.... maybe it has something to do with what the recent shows are trying to say, over what the Gene roddenberry ones were trying to say.... Hmmm.... everything woke turns to shit.
@@gwouru aw yes, star trek, one of the first shows to feature women in command roles, or even on screen in general, constantly preaching equality for all life, even embracing non hetrosexuality, famously not woke.
@@theendofthestart8179 You're confusing woke with something decent. People have equality, equal outcome is a horrible thing. Equal opportunity exists. Plus all the other garbage that comes with 'woke', such as making up racism, where there is none, and many many other bad things.
There's nothing wrong with equality, in Star Trek, it's the other crap I was talking about.
Like in Picard... They really did a disservice in that show.
@@gwouru "Woke" is a term that you pathetic right wing idiots co-opted to mean anything borne from common sense and decency. Woke only exists in your head. I'd see a psychiatrist if I were you, or at least a psychologist.
@@looksirdroids9134 Good one. Not at all aware of the world are you? Either that, or you're trying to gaslight someone.
This speaks volumes of Picard's character. He openly admitted to hating kids but he puts that aside to show compassion to an orphaned boy
I thought he said he was uncomfortable around children
@@RyanSellman1 You’re correct there.
I think he was genuine about this though
Being UNCOMFORTABLE around children doesn’t equate to hating them.
This show taught me so much growing up.
That’s a captain doing his duty.
Just another example of the superior writing this show had. Show me the equivalent in ST:D or Picard. Nothing has this much humanity and gravity.
"Jeremy, do you like watching gladiator movies?" :D
Sorry, couldn't resist...............
"Jeremy, have you ever seen a grown man naked?"
"Jeremy, have you ever been to a Turkish prison?"
Jeremy, you like X Men?
Jeremy, have you every hung out at the gymnasium?
"Jeremy, have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?"
This scene means a lot to me, because throughout life, whenever I am alone, turning on the TV and watching the adventures of the Enterprise-D is probably the only thing on this earth that I can turn to instantly that suddenly makes me feel not so alone. It feels so much like home.
It's the kid from Robocop 2!
And than he get shiped out the Enterprise and ended up alone... The END
Worf adopted him, then Jeremy went to live with his aunt and uncle.... so, not alone.
Oh, dude. Got me in the feels.
Many times I heard lines on TV that made me wish my family and the people in my life were that way. Unfortunately I thought that meant I had to become this big beautiful thing and show something back to them. But when you don't have the support and presence to be that successful, it doesn't always happen.
kilroy987 what r u talking about
I know what you mean. Some environments we can end up in for no fault of our own are like energy traps where the more power you divert to the engines, the more it grabs you. Except that flying full speed ahead into it won't free you but hurt beyond bearability.
Just drifting might do the trick. No force either way. Might require letting something in you die that you thought you needed but was implanted by the trap.
And jeremy was never seen again.
he time traveled to Robocop 2
Russy W he wasn't an actor in robocop. ?!
Jeremy was a lost during the battle of Wolf 359.
From a man that didnt want families on his starship..........he surely knew what to say :)
"On the Starship Enterprise, no one is alone. And until you understand that, I'll have to confine you to the isolation chamber."
It was moments like this.
❤❤❤❤❤ My favorite Star Trek captain, hands down!
That's the evil kid from Robocop 2!
Congratulations, Jean-Luc. It's a bouncing half grown man. Cigars all around.
Picard runs circles around alleged counselor Troi, who was pretty much worthless as a counselor for 7 seasons.
_If your parents don't survive at first ..._
_No, wait, that doesn't fit._
To be fair, she did actually council people, including Picard, in several episodes. But her primary function was to cheat things off the ship with her empathic abilities.
This episode has a fairly silly plot, but some genuinely moving moments, like this.
Even while your taking a sonic shower, our new-fangled "EMH" will keep you company.
By simply changing the music in the background you could set a very, very different tone to the "no one is alone" line...
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From the thing that wanted to take him to the planet's surface
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That was no villain. Don't disrespect it. No villains in this episode rather than the unseen villains who did the attacking in the events leading to this episode that were offscreen.
The energy force genuinely wanted good for the boy, although misguided.
"campfires data"
SUCH a good episode! No way this episode would have done well if it had a bullshit B story inserted in it.
agreed!
Classic ..
a year or so later that kid becomes a drug lord in detroit only to be defeated by robocop
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The next day they sent him away.
And Picard says he's not good with kids.
Isn't that Hobbs with the lunchbox machine gun from Robocop 2?
Did they have this kid play Riker son in a different episode?
no - different boy actor -
She raised an amazing boy by herself. He did respectful and took this amazingly well. This sort of news would make anyone fall apart. He didn’t overreact or throw things at them or anything like that. Just shows the legacy she left behind. That’s the goal of any parent: that your child is a blessing to the world (or galaxy in this case) not a curse.
I wish he was my dad………... Jeremy that is.
This small scene blows away the entirety of Star Trek: Picard.
"On the Starship Enterprise no one is alone -- no one."
so they get the kid a transfer off the ship. you can always get kicked off the ship.
Wasn't this the kid in Robocop 2?
Star Trek: Picard writers: "Can we replace this scene with a 20 minute kung fu sword fight?" "Well, at least they mention an explosion, let's see that! And 5 or 6 more explosions! Kabooom! Weee!"
Have you even watched the show? There have been very few fight scenes on the whole show so far.
Jeremy don't give af about his mom
everyone is alone
I remember this. The boy pretended he was like Data so he wouldn't feel pain anymore.
That was a different episode. This episode had the boy bond with Worf. The title of the episode is The Bonding (season 3 episode 5). The one where the boy pretended he was like Data was titled Hero Worship (season 5 episode 11)
Yeah,
Bs... who I got?
You know, Jeremy showing up in Picard would be kinda interesting..lol, I could see him working with the people Seven worked with or something, I doubt he'd go Starfleet after they got both of his parents killed but I'd love to see callbacks like this character.
Nice sentiment at the end.. but... his "lead in" needs a bit of work, for the harsh stuff...
I have never seen an on-screen (or off-screen for that matter) example of easing someone into it by telling the whole story from the beginning, in order to lead into it with empowering thoughts that give context to the painful outcome. Seems natural to me, but hey, what feels natural to me is extremely hard to get in this world.
So in TNG era it's ok to hold someone's hand to comfort them. The social conventions reversed?
I like Marina Sirtis, but that face she made is awful acting
I know he's just a kid... but come on that was terrible acting. No sadness at all :/
It was. But it was also terrible lines to give him. A kid that age would tear up and not be able to form consistent or articulate sentences, having an overdose of emotional stimuli. Probably wouldn't even want to speak or be able to acknowledge understanding. Hell, when something as simple as a parents announcing divorce without having given proper clues pre-emptively kids that age rarely manage to understand.
Thor Pedersen
It is my understanding that Gene Roddenberry himself insisted that people, even children, in the 24th century were beyond grief.
But at this point, I'd like to recommend watching SFDebris' review of this episode in which he also talks about the background of this episode. Very interesting to watch.
FekLeyrTarg's Videos beyond grief? Haven't they grieved multiple times in all the star trek series?
Thor Pedersen
Yes, they did. But as I said: According to my information, Gene Roddenberry didn't want anyone to grief in TNG, even though they did in "Skin of Evil".
In his review about this episode, SFDebris talks a lot about its background and something called the Roddenberry box.
Star Trek, at least TNG is not a normal series were its all about emotional breakdowns...
"One the Starship Enterprise no is alone."
That single line's right up there with lines like "Help will always be given at Hogwarts to those who ask for it"
Except this line wasn't written by a transphobic bigot... That I know of.
If women can have penises, why do trans people need surgery?
I really wonder what roddenbury would have had to say about it. It's almost certainly something that would have come up, if it were an issue back then, TNG was _extremely_ vocal about that kind of thing.
Oh wait, I completely about the Orville episode
No, just a sexist one. Roddenberry was equally guilty of bigotry as Rowling is, just bigotry of a different type. I don't think that diminishes the value of either stories, however.
Children usually break down and cry when told their mother died. Worst script ever.
You missed the rest of the episode.
Maybe he didn't want to show that in front of the captain. You can make up your own reason.
everyone experiences grief differently. being raised on a starship, there's always the risk of it exploding, being in a fight with an alien species, getting blown out into space, beamed into a quasar, etc. kids and families were most likely conditioned and taught that that's the price for living on a starship.
As I recall the rest of the episode deal with this.
“worst script ever”
garbage comment
His dad was dead long ago, he is probably already used to loss.
This is seasons before the Picard character experienced the 30 years of raising a family and growing old in the episode "The Inner Light".
Some people say Picard warmed up after gaining the experience of that simulation, but I say BS; he was always warm and kind on the inside before that episode.