Eh, Truman wasn't making it all about him. He was stating that the world and history would attributethe hundreds of thousands dead Hiroshima and Nagasaki to him. That the blood was on Truman's hands. He was disgusted that this man was trying to act like the blame would be placed at his feet. I take it you are more into films than history. Because Truman anguished about the dropping the bomb, he didn't want the credit, but accepted the blame. You really misread it.
Indeed. Truman was the guy who had a “the buck stops here” plaque on his desk. Telling of how seriously he took the ramifications of his responsibilities
Yep, the scene skews towards Oppenheimer here because it's meant to be from his perspective, but in reality Truman is slapping him in the face and telling him to get realistic. He's saying that Truman is the one who gave the final order, and it's Truman who has as much guilt as Oppenheimer had for building the damn thing.
Analysis is somewhat off. 1:52, last line... Truman does not only care about himself. He cares about his country, as every leader does. He's the one with the power, and the responsibility, something that Oppenheimer does not have. In this exchange Oppenheimer comes off as naïve and narcissistic. A genius, but still a narcissist.
Wow! Exceedingly impressed with your ability to decipher the scene. I never write comments for any videos, but this was so masterfully done that I was left without any choice. Please, continue analyzing other scenes for it was utterly enjoyable.
@@emmanuelfragoso4501not surprised that you were amazed by this abomination of an analysis (that 100% missed the entire point of the scene and caught NONE of Oldman’s nuances) if you suggest a 50 shades scene lmao.
Great analysis. I couldn’t have said it better myself. Gary Oldman only had one scene in this movie, but it was such an impactful scene, and I will never forget it. The scene depicts President Truman as having no remorse for destroying hundreds of thousands of lives. I had to rewatch this video because I am a slow reader, but otherwise it was a great video.
Unfortunately, the Japanese were slaughtering millions in Asia and killing hundreds of thousands of American soldiers in the process. Truman was not going to send more soldiers to die. The atomic bombs were awful but he felt he had no other choice if he wanted save lives. It was all about numbers. It’s an awful choice if you want to save maximum number of human lives.
I would say he has remorse but in this particular scene he was more disgusted with an underling who didn’t grasp the depth of the situation. You gotta remember this is a 1940s male. Those guys didn’t cry ever. This WAS how he showed remorse
Oh my LORD this is why most mainstream movies lack so much nuance and subtlety… this is so wrong how are you that clueless? Truman is saying that HE is the one who will bear the blame as he is the one who decided to drop the bombs… the entire planet will forever blame Truman and… surprise! History blames/credits TRUMAN and not Oppenheimer for Hiroshima and Naggazaki… lol
Like how he plays silly, but then reminds us that he definitely feels guilt. He ultimately doesn’t regret it because he’s the president and his job is to make the toughest decisions. Very well portrayed by Oldman
I think the Truman fans are also misreading this scene. The reason Oppenheimer felt like blood was on his hands wasn’t only because of what went on in Japan but also what would subsequently follow the invention of the bomb itself. Truman was responsible in the present. Oppenheimer felt responsible for anything that would happen in the future. In otherwords Hiroshima may not have been about Oppenheimer, but the bomb itself wasn’t specifically about Hiroshima or WWII. That’s why the film kept emphasizing Oppenheimer knew that if they were willing to drop the bombs on other countries, they would eventually consider making more efficient ways to use it, such as strapping it to a V2, making them larger, or the simple fact the bombs would always exist moving forward until some A-hole was crazy enough to consider using them that did not have a conscience.
Very good analysis. Although i would say in the end ''he only cares about himself'' is maybe not 100% true. Because the statements Harry truman did in the end here also implies that Oppenheimer is not alone in his guilt. Truman in words would in some ways carry even the bigger burden, according to him at least. The scene reveals much about Christopher nolans Harry truman interpretation and how he might have been.
@@actingcoachchristy true. Trueman was trying to take blame away from Oppenheimer, after having credited him for making the bomb and helped end the war, he lets Oppenheimer know that the blood is solely on the hands of the decision maker. In fact the eventual nuclear arms race ended with US superiority and an end to Soviet Union. Oppenheimer's fear of more bombs being dropped also never came true. The bomb in fact became a deterrent for countries engaging in full fledged wars. The bomb to end all wars eventually lived upto its name.
@@actingcoachchristythe fact that you are an acting coach is effin scary tbh… you caught absolutely NONE of the nuances from Oldman’s acting and you completely missed the point of the entire scene LOL
interesting and revealing your idealogies in believing you can objectively interpret this interpretation of an actual event. Art however is often meant to actually reveal the character of the observer.
I feel like the analysis was a bit biased against Truman. He was being callous in this scene and dismissive of Oppenheimer's guilt, but I feel it is more him asserting that the blood is on his hands as the person who ordered the bomb used. While also that part is an afterthought, his goal is more to secure Oppenhhiemer's help.
@@jlatimer716Truman was a battery commander in the First World War, and his battery fired a lot of shells, probably killing a lot of Germans. When those Germans died, did they resent the man who created the gun or the shell? Or did they resent the person firing it? Same goes for the atomic bombings. Truman made the decision himself. He personally approved it following the creation of the Interim Committee. He wasn't being arrogant here. He was just being realistic
Truman was irritated with him and he should have been/. In reality after this meeting Truman said “he doesn’t have nearly as much blood on his hands as I do” Truman was irritated because it has his agony of making the decision and it’s his agony in the aftermath but he is convinced it was the right decision. Oppenheimer now feels remorse?
Killing hundreds of thousands of people in mere moments with a bomb in the confort of a chair will never be the right decision, doesn't matter what excuse you tell yourself
@ Well that had already been happening before the atom bomb was dropped. And yes, it is the right decision. How do you tell the mothers of dead soldiers, you had the ability to end the war sooner, but you chose not to because someone would be upset you ordered a bombing from your chair.
For everyone viewing this 140,000 people died in Hiroshima and 70,000 people died in Nagasaki so I can only imagine the gilt that Dr. Oppenheimer is feeling.
Also try to imagine the guilt that Truman felt for giving the final order, and it paints this exchange in a very different light than perhaps what many took from the scene.
Well, you see, there was an entire nation of various tribes and culture living in the Americas before some things called "colonialism" and "manifest destiny" occurred...
Eh, Truman wasn't making it all about him. He was stating that the world and history would attributethe hundreds of thousands dead Hiroshima and Nagasaki to him. That the blood was on Truman's hands. He was disgusted that this man was trying to act like the blame would be placed at his feet. I take it you are more into films than history. Because Truman anguished about the dropping the bomb, he didn't want the credit, but accepted the blame. You really misread it.
Indeed. Truman was the guy who had a “the buck stops here” plaque on his desk. Telling of how seriously he took the ramifications of his responsibilities
Yep, the scene skews towards Oppenheimer here because it's meant to be from his perspective, but in reality Truman is slapping him in the face and telling him to get realistic.
He's saying that Truman is the one who gave the final order, and it's Truman who has as much guilt as Oppenheimer had for building the damn thing.
Truman was a baby killer. Japanese Babies. He didint give a shit about them
Truman -solve me a problem.
Press secretary- we have a bomb made and ready to go.
Truman- well I’ll be damned
Analysis is somewhat off. 1:52, last line... Truman does not only care about himself. He cares about his country, as every leader does. He's the one with the power, and the responsibility, something that Oppenheimer does not have. In this exchange Oppenheimer comes off as naïve and narcissistic. A genius, but still a narcissist.
Wow! Exceedingly impressed with your ability to decipher the scene. I never write comments for any videos, but this was so masterfully done that I was left without any choice. Please, continue analyzing other scenes for it was utterly enjoyable.
Wow, thank you so much! That is so kind of you. I would love to know if you have a favorite scene you would like me to do.
@@actingcoachchristy Fifty Shades of Grey - Ana meets Christian Grey
@@emmanuelfragoso4501not surprised that you were amazed by this abomination of an analysis (that 100% missed the entire point of the scene and caught NONE of Oldman’s nuances) if you suggest a 50 shades scene lmao.
The suggestion is legit funny as fuck if he's taking a dig at OP
Put some mothafuckin respect on Gary Oldman’s mothafuckin name!!!!!! He’s so good.
That’s an an actor. I watched this twice and still just noticed
Great analysis. I couldn’t have said it better myself. Gary Oldman only had one scene in this movie, but it was such an impactful scene, and I will never forget it. The scene depicts President Truman as having no remorse for destroying hundreds of thousands of lives. I had to rewatch this video because I am a slow reader, but otherwise it was a great video.
Unfortunately, the Japanese were slaughtering millions in Asia and killing hundreds of thousands of American soldiers in the process. Truman was not going to send more soldiers to die. The atomic bombs were awful but he felt he had no other choice if he wanted save lives. It was all about numbers. It’s an awful choice if you want to save maximum number of human lives.
It isn't no remorse but rather a choice, albeit a cold and calculated rational choice
I would say he has remorse but in this particular scene he was more disgusted with an underling who didn’t grasp the depth of the situation. You gotta remember this is a 1940s male. Those guys didn’t cry ever. This WAS how he showed remorse
Oh my LORD this is why most mainstream movies lack so much nuance and subtlety… this is so wrong how are you that clueless?
Truman is saying that HE is the one who will bear the blame as he is the one who decided to drop the bombs… the entire planet will forever blame Truman and… surprise! History blames/credits TRUMAN and not Oppenheimer for Hiroshima and Naggazaki… lol
hi! this is so incredible, you really deserve more suscribers. Your analysis is on point!
Like how he plays silly, but then reminds us that he definitely feels guilt. He ultimately doesn’t regret it because he’s the president and his job is to make the toughest decisions. Very well portrayed by Oldman
I think the Truman fans are also misreading this scene. The reason Oppenheimer felt like blood was on his hands wasn’t only because of what went on in Japan but also what would subsequently follow the invention of the bomb itself. Truman was responsible in the present. Oppenheimer felt responsible for anything that would happen in the future.
In otherwords Hiroshima may not have been about Oppenheimer, but the bomb itself wasn’t specifically about Hiroshima or WWII. That’s why the film kept emphasizing Oppenheimer knew that if they were willing to drop the bombs on other countries, they would eventually consider making more efficient ways to use it, such as strapping it to a V2, making them larger, or the simple fact the bombs would always exist moving forward until some A-hole was crazy enough to consider using them that did not have a conscience.
Very good analysis. Although i would say in the end ''he only cares about himself'' is maybe not 100% true. Because the statements Harry truman did in the end here also implies that Oppenheimer is not alone in his guilt. Truman in words would in some ways carry even the bigger burden, according to him at least. The scene reveals much about Christopher nolans Harry truman interpretation and how he might have been.
Thanks for your insight!
@@actingcoachchristy true. Trueman was trying to take blame away from Oppenheimer, after having credited him for making the bomb and helped end the war, he lets Oppenheimer know that the blood is solely on the hands of the decision maker. In fact the eventual nuclear arms race ended with US superiority and an end to Soviet Union. Oppenheimer's fear of more bombs being dropped also never came true. The bomb in fact became a deterrent for countries engaging in full fledged wars. The bomb to end all wars eventually lived upto its name.
@@actingcoachchristythe fact that you are an acting coach is effin scary tbh… you caught absolutely NONE of the nuances from Oldman’s acting and you completely missed the point of the entire scene LOL
I am from Brazil. I liked this analysis.
Why is every one of these clips cut short? Show the whole scene.
interesting and revealing your idealogies in believing you can objectively interpret this interpretation of an actual event. Art however is often meant to actually reveal the character of the observer.
I feel like the analysis was a bit biased against Truman. He was being callous in this scene and dismissive of Oppenheimer's guilt, but I feel it is more him asserting that the blood is on his hands as the person who ordered the bomb used. While also that part is an afterthought, his goal is more to secure Oppenhhiemer's help.
This really happened. Oppenheimer was a worm
Worm,? ,
He was paid to do a job by the government and he did it
Truman was just arrogant I think
@@jlatimer716Truman was a battery commander in the First World War, and his battery fired a lot of shells, probably killing a lot of Germans. When those Germans died, did they resent the man who created the gun or the shell? Or did they resent the person firing it? Same goes for the atomic bombings. Truman made the decision himself. He personally approved it following the creation of the Interim Committee. He wasn't being arrogant here. He was just being realistic
Truman was irritated with him and he should have been/. In reality after this meeting Truman said “he doesn’t have nearly as much blood on his hands as I do”
Truman was irritated because it has his agony of making the decision and it’s his agony in the aftermath but he is convinced it was the right decision. Oppenheimer now feels remorse?
Killing hundreds of thousands of people in mere moments with a bomb in the confort of a chair will never be the right decision, doesn't matter what excuse you tell yourself
@ Well that had already been happening before the atom bomb was dropped. And yes, it is the right decision. How do you tell the mothers of dead soldiers, you had the ability to end the war sooner, but you chose not to because someone would be upset you ordered a bombing from your chair.
Very heartbreaking the whole thing
And handled poorly by the politicians as well and we always have such arrogance
I saw this movie on the plane and this scene was so resonant 😊
This scene analysis is laughable.
0:53 the rest is history 🔥🔥😊
For everyone viewing this 140,000 people died in Hiroshima and 70,000 people died in Nagasaki so I can only imagine the gilt that Dr. Oppenheimer is feeling.
Also try to imagine the guilt that Truman felt for giving the final order, and it paints this exchange in a very different light than perhaps what many took from the scene.
What does give it back to the indians mean?
They owned the land
Well, you see, there was an entire nation of various tribes and culture living in the Americas before some things called "colonialism" and "manifest destiny" occurred...
@@jimjam7928They werent a single Nation but a collection of Independent and diverse tribes,chiefdoms,and yes even some Kingdoms
Not me laughing when I realized you thought you contributed anything to this video with your captions
“Driving the real question”
“Answering it immediately because he doesn’t care about him”
Lol, classic American President moment.