How My Hero Academia RUINED Its Final Arc
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- Today we have a discussion I've been wanting to have about My Hero Academia's Final arc for a while now, how it prioritizes creating cool moments rather than building the bridge between them. Let's also talk about the Bakugo thing.
0:00 - Ideas over Execution
7:33 - The Bakugo Thing
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Chapter 365 Update: Yeah it's bad.
- Edgeshot pulls a bubble out to sterilize his body
- Somehow plans on jump starting a dead body
- Edgeshot uses his Quirk to sew up Bakugo, but the second he deactivates his Quirk or dies, the thread should come back to being Edgeshot's body... making Bakugo explode?
- Shigaraki felt fear so now he's weaker I guess
- Shigaraki felt fear over a kid he killed in one hit, btw
- Mirko is kicking the ass of the strongest dude on the planet with 1 limb
Nothing about this arc makes sense man this is insane lmaoooo
Great video, AsarathaHS!
Honestly, the "Edgeshot pulling a bubble out of his ass" thing is what I'm stuck on: how long has he had it? When did he get it? How has it not popped at this point? Did he know this whole thing with Bakugou was going to happen and asked for it in advance, or is Wash there and he asked Wash for one? If that's the case, where the hell is Wash now and what the fuck is he doing???
I swear, this one panel raised so many unintentional questions that are probably never going to be answered, but still bother me.
@@Rereader32 Honestly i found the bubble detail to be really funny, lol. Like amid all the pseudoscience and bs he made up to make this work, i dont think sterilizing his body was gonna justify it. I just imagine Horikoshi sitting at his desk and he just goes "Of course! Edgeshot's body hasnt been sterilized! good thing i caught that cuz edgeshot might give Bakugo an infection and nobody would believe he could survive THAT..."
@Acoletye I didn't think of that, that's hilarious! Talk about Horikoshi having misplaced priorities!! 🤣🤣🤣
@@Rereader32 At first I was sad about Bakugou’s death. until I heard there was a BUBBLE like how is it out of nowhere a Bubble I repeat a bubble can save Bakugou. like bro I know I was hoping for a plot armor but the more I think about it the more I believe he should have stayed dead.
@@stael__art9694 I was hoping Bakugou would be revived simply because I know others, specifically his family, would be devastated when they found out he died, but I'm with you on this one. With how ridiculous the aftermath of his death is being treated, I wish he had just stayed dead.
my favourite part was when dabi copied shotos ice-fire move with only fire and that somehow restored him to fighting strength despite his fire resistance being worse than shotos
bro is nothing but exposed skeleton and muscle and he refuses to die as he pumps blue flames thru his heart
Hori through out this arc.
"Don't question my madness."
Hori for the past 100 chapters and the present:
Don't worry bros, I got this. It'll all be explained in a two page flashback 10 chapters from now.
Eh i kinda disagree.
Dabi was acting like he was out for the count to vatch em off suprise.
Because dabi copying shotos technique negated most of the damage from phosphorus.
Also dabis lack of fire resistance is still showing, mans looks like a skeleton. He knows he will die fromnthis but he is using all of his fire power to do as much damage as possible.
No matter the outcome, dabi will likely die to the burning of his body
Flexed that big bro energy
Bakugou's death would've been so impactful if it actually stuck when Deku showed up. Bakugou is Deku's image of victory, so imagine how impactful it would've been for Deku to see the literal embodiment of victory lying dead because he allowed himself to get separated from Bakugou. It would've been the perfect way to encapsulate the running theme of even heroes like All Might not being able to save everyone, that heroes are just flawed people like everyone else, that no hero (not even All Might) can live up to Stain's impossible expectations. Imagine if Deku blitzed passed Shigaraki faster than he could react, causing Shigaraki to flinch as he expects Deku to attack him, only to notice Deku kneeling over Bakugou's body. Deku could finally understand Shigaraki's rage about not being saved by a hero, because even with all of the heroes around him, they still didn't save Bakugou. It would've been the perfect way for Deku to understand what Shigaraki meant back during their chat in the mall, about the naive belief that society is perfect and safe because the heroes will always be there to protect it. Horikoshi literally set up the perfect culmination to so many plot lines in one chapter, only to shoot himself and his series in the foot.
...this was so well put its sad it won't happen.
@@dontnerfmebro8052
And Bakugo is back anyway now so all this setup only for Hori to write out Bakugo for a couple of chapters.
Bakugou's death didn't stuck because of rabid, degenerate, loser fangirls who threatened her life over that
Imagine in JJK Shibuya instead of Todo coming to aid Yuji against Mahito, Nanami just shows back up in perfect fighting condition with the only explanation being, reverse curse technique. That is how that moment felt.
I mean... isn't that what they did when gojo got his throat slit lmao, omg he learned reverse curse technique because he's the chosen one 💀
@@wolf00o25 that was a flash back, nobody though gojo was dead.
@@wolf00o25 you weren't paying attention
That would be goofy AF, it would be hard to take the story seriously with that lmao
@M Y T H I C A L N O V A completely breaks the immersion of the story. Atleast to me
I am a 100% positive that Horikoshi killed Midnight off just because if she was actully still alive and fighting right now than she could potentially put Shigaraki out of commision in a few seconds.
And besides couldnt Edgeshot have just entered Shigarakis body and at least knock the guy out if not kill him or am i missing something
let us remember that shiggys skin isnt normal, bros survived a nuke
Bold of you to assume that, had Midnight been alive and in this fight, Shigi/AFO would have dropped a line how "awwwctuuulllyy!" his Quirk-mutation (that is totally not a blockable Quirk, of course) makes him 100% immune against being knocked out by her Power because Quirk-Singularity or some shit.
They already tried poisoning shigaraki.. and his body instantly adapted gosh Shigaraki has prime all might level durability and reaction... you must think edgeshot can take all might huh?
@@backing5284 Ah yes, I sure remember All Might talking about his body adapting to stuff like Poison when he was in his prime. It sure is convinient that Shigi's body mutation has a build in Evolution for Poison that activates instantanously.
@@plinfan6541 i mentioned prime all might cux do u think edge can enter all might? Ofc not. Shigarakis body can adapt to anything cux of surgery the dr did
Even Shinso’s situation made sense, we actually knew that he was trying his best to make it to the top, while edgeshot was like, “ I can become an organ”.
Source: trust me bro 😎
Shinso's sudden power up is a retcon that reverses part of his original power. Shinso himself said that he couldn't make people talk at the Class A VS Class B fight, he explained his quirk in detail to Asui and Kaminari. Then we haven't seen him for a while other than the occasional cameo and now he can make Aoyama's mom talk to AFO without getting found out?
@@sirreepicheeprules7443 quirks do evolve. it's not really a stretch
@@niasford That's not the point. Yes quirk do evolve. Yes shinso power buff made the sense out of all this BS ending. But show us the damn practice shinso have to went through to get that power buff
other: you becoming great character
horikoshi: meh character...
depending to the writter, not shonen
Not necessarily, but seeing Shinso getting a power-up is good if it feels cheap. There was a flashback training scene or dramatic moment where he had to push past his limits, where his Quirk awakens. As for Edge shot completely agree. He had a few pages to his name, and suddenly he had the game-changing power to save someone with no heart. His power is basically Luffy's before finding out our favorite Straw-Hat is a Mortal God.
Its crazy that this video aged better after the new chapter when they completly removed the stakes of shigarakis prime all might level of power with an asspull of shigaraki being "scared"
Exactly he wasn't scared of bakugo last war so why now of all is he scared of him
he one hit killed bakugo and he's scared lmao what kind of writing 💀
Last war bakugo unlocked cluster (after fighting with shigaraki) remember last war when he told bakugo "ur fireworks don't hurt me" or whatever. Well if you've paid attention, this time bakugou was the only hero to actually hurt shigaraki.. or did u guys just ignore that.. also shigaraki has horrible mental health.. so him being fearful isnt unusual!! But u guys ofc ignore tht too 😂
@@backing5284
I mean, not really. Shigaraki himself said that the only reason why he has fear of Bakugo is because of something with the second user (which is dumb). It has nothing to do with his power-up (in terms of raw power) and he didn't receive any real damage from Bakugo's attack. Because now even Mirko is capable of damaging Shigaraki.
@@thirstquencher4631 shigaraki admitted he did damage lol
The whole "it's just a shonen" makes me frustrated because it just whittles down the ideas, execution of those ideas and nuances created simply for week to week hype with little continuity and it's what I've been feeling since villain hunt, the subversions that this series creates due to its setting was amazing and seeing it have bombastic moments that are supposed to be tense just aren't due to the lack of proper build up
"It's just a Shonen"
Laughts in FMA, Hunter x Hunter and Chainsaw man
One piece, hxh, fma, csm, jjk, etc etc people who say “it’s just a shonen” have never read good shonen before
It’s the truth tho wtf watch another genre if the plot armor bothers you .. shonen always been this way
@@dennisthemenace855 every character in every piece of fiction has plot armor in some way shape or form and it’s not an excuse for poor writing
Unfortunately manga nowadays is seen mostly as business and many writers don't really care about the story as long as it sells and appeals to younger audiences who don't really care about the story and more about the cool fights.
What killed this series for me, even before the final arc, is the fact that half of class 1A has no character development. Heck, we don't even know why they want to be heroes. For me, at least, what makes a good story is what side characters bring to the story. I really like what horikoshi did with kirishima. Would've liked to see it with the rest of class 1A students
All this character development for kirishima just to become a nobody again with no screen time in the second war arc whatsoever
I personaly would have liked if we had keept more of the "academia" part in "my hero academia". Would have given us more time to explore the characters as well, and he could have still pulled off a war arc once 1A reached their final school year. I just feel like things escalated to quickly.
They wanna be heroes for reasons its just that those reasons feel dull because of their lack of development further, or the fact that they didn’t even have other thoughts after a literal war when people were dying and getting dangerously injured. I want to care about 1-a, i think some members had lots of character potential, uraraka, iida, kirishima, denki, and jiro all were characters i was wondering would get growth but its so underwhelming because of this mangas packed cast of dozens of other characters getting screentime
@@aniflowers1998honestly. I honestly couldn't give a shit about the Shonen action in MHA and actually preferred watching the students just dick around in the dorms or doing the internships with the big heroes. The actual fighting is mostly just exposition with punching now.
I know Momo is one of the prominent girls and Class 1A vice representive and she’s doesn’t have a backstory of why she wants to be a hero
I really hope Eri doesn't heal all the top heros who fought in the war. Eri being limited to how frequently she can use her quirk was a great writing choice from Horikoshi & I hope he keeps it that way otherwise it would just feel like their was no consequences to them fighting in the war. Obviously, people like Midoriya or Bakugo will get healed but to me, it would be better if a vast majority of them kept their scars as a testament to how hard they fought. It also shows how many sacrifices they made just to barely win in the end.
That has always been the case for Eri
The author just haven't used that as much
Feels like a massive plothole eversince eri joined the group
@@RenderingUserher character was a mistake for the series in the fact she kept living, would’ve been more impactful for deku if he failed so save a little kid and lost the use of his arns
Dude.. Eri or no Eri, the fights are still pointless
This final arc is being hard carried by how good Endeavour and Dabi are and the cope of Deku vs Shigaraki
Shoto vs Dabi was good. So all the Todoroki's putting in work not just Endeavor and Dabi.
@@TheYoungGeninSasuke I cared more for Dabi's role in the fight than Shoto. He just had a bunch of cringe one liners rather than actually communicating with Dabi
@@Doot139 True Dabi felt way more emotional pain in the battle than Shoto.
@@Doot139 Yep and then Dabi showed just how talented he is by copying shoto's new move which clearly toke him a long time to learn in just a few minutes.
@@silverquis That was a asspull tho but okay then.
Not killing bakugo is a big wasted opportunity
"The very foundations of the finale of My Hero Academia are not built to last."
Yes. Exactly this. This is what I mean when I tell people that I just can't really enjoy this final act. Yeah there are some good moments but everything from the War Arc onwards to build up this "new" conflict is just... lame. And bad. And bad. And lame. Deku continues to become more and more generic. Character arcs that have been running since the beginning hold no wait in any of the actual resolutions. Plot conveniences and contrivances coming out of fucking no where. And worst of all... All For One hanging over any and every thing that's left. It sucks.
So I can't really care when Shoto defeats Dabi in such a satisfying way (which is undone in the most recent chapter anyway), I can't enjoy the glorious evil displayed by Dabi, I can't enjoy any badass moments Shigaraki('s body) gets. The return of the Big 3. Or Endeavor's introspection. Because they all just feel incidental. Little sparkles in a black void of despair.
@@zemox2534 I did not fight in the trenches while MHA was being called "generic" and "boring" all the way back in S3 just to have all those people proven right years later and be told "stop being so critical of a story that used to have competent writing"
@@zemox2534
Did I flipping say I've stopped reading it? I just said it's not as good as it used to be and I explained why. It's what you do in a discussion.
And nitpicking isn't meaningless anymore when they start to make up the building blocks of the current narrative. It's no longer just a little bit of bad in a sea of good. It's now a little bit of good in a sea of meh.
@@ObaREX i wouldn’t call it a sea of good in the beginning, but it had a lot of potential and some parts were done better, but now it’s just not worth it anymore
@@zemox2534 if you want to read it to the end, go ahead, but after all this, people are probably gonna stop altogether
@@jeffreyali1456 Yeah that's fair. The series was never perfect. But it's strengths outweighed it's weaknesses for a while and the incredible potential kept me optimistic. But as soon as it was clear to me that Hori was just rushing his plot, that potential tanked.
Mina hearing some random dude who just happens to be Midnight's killer who just so happens to talk about killing Midnight months after is so funny to me
I'm so fucking pissed.
I've been waiting since forever for Mina to finally get to do something in the goddamn story and get her moment to shine, and now it looks like it's being built up in a half-assed way.
I can't believe I had to sit through Mina getting robbed by Kirishima and being used as a stepping stone for his development, for this.
@@facundomontivero2299 welcome to MHA where the women are used to fuel the plot either by being killed, maimed, or used to drive forward the men in the story.
@@NinjaTyler yep that's shonen for ya
Which is why this chapter made me drop this series
@@AssassinWarrior99 thankfully not all shonen fall into this trap but many sadly do
@@NinjaTyler indeed
It’s just so unfortunate because everything up to the war was so hype and some of my favorite times in the community, in particular the leak weeks during the first War. Now My Hero has become a series I dread learning more about week to week as I’m seeing Horikoshi tarnish his magnum opus simply because he wants to be done
Are you thinking about dropping it?
Facts. Imma stick with it but dang, how do you drop the ball so hard
He doesn't want the fandom anymore. He can't take it
@@evanytgaming1986 Honestly, I don’t blame him. The fandom fucking sucks.
@@AigisVibes720 Neither can I tbh. This is the same fandom that threw a fit over the recent Hagakure art in the most recent chapter. Yet also seems to forget that there is almost 45,000 entries on Rule34 for the series. And nearly 40,000 entries under the explicit tag with no major character death or graphic violence. Nearly 80,000 total works in this fandom are smut or sexual but when the creator does something like that all hell breaks loose.
My hero had so much potential but it just crashed and burned. It’s a shame
Just hope it doesn't burn like voltron
Nux Taku single handedly breathed life into the series when saying Bakugo dies, which should have tipped off Horikoshi on what to do. So the fact we don't just get one but two fake deaths on Bakugo is extreme bullshit.
my hero academia is following in the same footsteps as shokugeki no soma having a completely horrible final arc and having stupid pointless plots. My hero academia had a lot of potential just like shokugeki, both made terrible decisions in their plot and ended up in a completely sorry state in narrative terms
Honestly my only problem with the arc so far is that they didn't commit to Bakugo being dead
same
Probably cause fujioshi fangirls would've sent him even more death threats for killing off their fap material
Same
@familyguysofunny1933 Nah man, thats cope. Lets just accept that Horakoshi ruined his series the same way Kishimoto ruined Naruto.
@@kap1618preach!
I understand the pros for Bakugos "death" but what I find really flawed in its execution is it's placement in the battle itself. It's in the middle of both Shigaraki's and Dabi's fight so it not only feels anticlimactic in that sense, but also that it's a moment that accomplishes nothing. It wasn't a suicide move to win the fight or take out a vital part of Shigaraki's kit, it was just another regular attacked that completely failed. It feels shoved in for the sake of needing an emotional moment without proper planning, and just ended up as unnecessary bait.
I think Horikoshi is tired and just wants to be done.
honestly I think the story would be improved if he had been able to stop for a few months. maybe a year, and plan things more.
that's probably false but if it is true I wouldn;t blame him. From toxic fans, to middling performance to the villain arc in japan, I kinda feel bad for him
@@naganut9718
But he did this to himself too, as a writer myself, you shouldnt concern yourself with pushy readers, you also shouldnt be afraid of taking risks in your writing, taking breaks or being afraid that a page might turn out mediocre. When writing a story, once your at the finish line, dont just give up and become the next Game of Thrones. That Bakugou chapter was perfect and would've cleaned up so many things, but because he was afraid of his fans reactions and taking such a huge risk, he backed out on the second chapter
I get that he was tired, but being tired doesn't negate the fact that the story might be important to someone reading it, that this story might have an impact on someone's life. It may seem silly or dumb to think that someone would hold such a story in such high regards, but at the end of the day, a story is to tell a story, to either inspire or make people think.
@@sugarpapaelmo2004 it's the shounen jump manga industry, you can't just stop and take a break. If that's the case many mangaka wouldn't be overworked
@@naganut9718
Yeah that's true, feel bad for them though. Japanese workers have it tough
@@sugarpapaelmo2004yeah sure untill you get death threat and stalker up your ass which is a normal occasion in japan especially as he already shown his face. The point is unless you the people who want a good story and artistic vision to be complete can stand up and defend the author physically, mentally and socially then dont complain why they sometime have to bow down to the toxicity of the online comunity. Or at the very least spare some fcking sympathy and enjpy the work of art you are reading rather than complain like a little bitch because that aint help nobody but fueling the author insecurity even more.
Honestly, the funniest part is that we all thought edgeshot was dead for real
I'll throw in my two cents on the current arc and the general issues that lead to it:
In my personal belief, I truly think AFO shouldn't have been the final boss (including him essentially turning Shigaraki into his meat puppet). Now I understand sort of Horikoshi's end game is for Deku to "save" the little Tenko within Shigaraki/AFO. But I honestly think Shigaraki "moving on" from his mentor would have been a amazing parallel to All Might's relationship with Deku. It would have been amazing to see AFO who tried to control Shigaraki for his own selfish goals ends up dying to his own student because he couldn't let go of his "title" to be the ultimate villain. Had Horikoshi done this, a lot of the events happening would have been more impactful and understanding. Also, a majority of the Villains wouldn't have been immediately sidelined since the story could continue to focus the fundamental structure of "society failed on it's very citizens".
As for Bakugou's "death". When I first read it, I thought to myself, "Holy Sh**....Horikoshi has some huge balls killing a fan favorite character." But then as I thought to myself, I realize this is a amazing way to show just how much the hero society failed on the people (until that a**pull of a "revival"). Bakugou's "death" as you mentioned, clearly shows the severe consequences that came with the hero society. With many "heroes" that initially became one for fame, money, and power, the large majority that retired showed that they were incredibly flawed. Now the "true heroes" have to resort to children fighting an adult's war. By having the students risking their lives for real this time, it highlights further major changes must be done. The death of a student would have also created the groundwork that "from here on out, none of the students will be safe" in the future chapters.
Edgeshot also has absolutely no relatioship with Bakugou. And the fact that we don't really have much development on his character further makes this particular "revival" have no feeling. He doesn't actually NEED to have a relationship with Bakugou. If Horikoshi had given us some time prior to the war arc about Edgeshot's beliefs on the next generation of heroes should be better than the current ones, or that he views the current generation he is in should be the role model for the new ones, then this particular moment would make a lot of sense. Because by exploring more into Edgeshot's character and beliefs, we would understand why he choose to give his life for Bakugou's. If we had seen this, then it would connect the "sacrafice myself for the new generation" much more strongly. I completely understand the message Horikoshi is trying to show us. But the execution of it and the lack of any development on other characters just shows how much of a clusterf*** the final arc currently is.
"A shōnen never kills its most popular character."
Death Note: Hold my apples.
To be fair, Death Note kind of went to shit after it killed off said popular character. But still, why waste time on bullshit fake-out deaths when you could, I don't know, develop your fucking story more.
Naruto:
Jujutsu Kaisen: *damn near every fan favorite is dead*.
I will say tho, the last major death in the manga had mfs contacting the Taliban over it, so there’s always risks to killing a beloved character
Oddly One Piece, Ace was popular. He was always around the top 10 before his death
@@ianharrison5758 CONTACTING THE TALIBAN???????????
Ashita no Joe
Honestly it started going down hill for me the moment Deku just randomly got Access to the rest of his quirks while beforehand we where seeing him progress slowly and understanding each quirk as it came along, we don't know the other users as well as we know the guy with black whip, and that's a massive thing to rush, especially when you plan on closing out the story.
When bakugo died I was hype. Not because I disliked bakugo but because I could just imagine deku's reaction and we get that raw fight we want between him and shigaraki. But instead deku isn't even there and edgeshot just thinks he can bring people back from death using his own body (crazy) that was the big thing for me
The worst thing about the MHA manga is the crazy MHA stans who act as if nothing we say is valid criticism/points about the state of the manga...that we too once enjoyed so much. If you say anything they tell you "You just have reading comprehension problems" or "This totally makes sense, you are just dumb" i guess thats what you get when you cater towards kids who want a safe space and refuse to look at anything objectively.
The reason why my hero has deteriorated is because the villains arc wasn’t well received in Japan. A lot of people in Japan don’t like the idea of empathizing with villains so he’s just become more detached from the story. I don’t blame him
True but the anime could of hinted at their backstories without showing them-
That's why the anime sucked cause it was rushed. Also something similar happened with aot after the final time skip
source? i’m interested in learning more about how japanese fans have reacted to mha
@@christianhigares7086
I don’t know the source myself, but ya could probably look it up and find it easily no doubt
Plus imo the most of the villians have weak ass reasons for Thier mass murder and terrorism
this may be a coincidence, but man one of the editors for horikoshi that was swapped in right before villain hunt was notorious for being the kiss of death for a lot of jump series including one of kishimotos new works
one of his interviews had him state that he admires spectacle and action over anything else when working with other mangakas
i'm not saying hes the sole reason for mhas decline, but goddamn is it hard to ignore
It sucks to see a series I love so much make so many completely weird and nonsensical decisions. Horikoshi *has* made seemingly out of nowhere decisions that end up paying off (Twice and Hawks becoming friends before the betrayal) but these recent decisions happen way too fast for the payoff to feel earned. Stuff like Edgeshot reviving Bakugo feels completely out-of-nowhere and out of tone for the series.
PLW had a few of these moments too, but most didn't feel nearly as egrigious as Act 3 has been.
Horikoshi: Don't worry. There's a madness to my method.
"You mean method to your madness?"
Horikoshi: I said what I said.
Watching this as a hard core MHA fan who follwed the series since the school's sports festival this was refreshing. I really hope Hori turns this around because even I myself have been feeling bored by with it recently, and all due to what you said regarding poor execution. Take my sub good sir!
Horikoshi gave Bakugo not 1, not 2 but THREE fakeout deaths, two of which in the face fucking arc.
Good god… New season just started and they immediately reminded us about how much the MC cries… over virtually everything!
I knew Horikoshi didn't have the balls to kill off any major characters all the way back when All Might survived the fight with AFO. Funny and sad to see that that fact hasn't changed. That was around chapter 100 I think, when I dropped the series.
It really started to tank
Kill All might hadn't interest for story. He had devloppment after this
And to add insult to injury, he gets more power when he comes back to life
Damn, you really put this into perspective, especially the Bakugo part. Didn't realize how much weight his death would have carried, I mean sure he's a liked character and all, but thematically that does make sense, the boy who couldn't proceed onward because of the mistakes of those who came before him. That's pretty cool, in concept.
I wish we got to know Edgeshot more before he essentially sacrifices himself.
Hori watched Guardians Of The Galaxy way too many times, and was hellbent on putting a Groot sacrificing himself by expanding his body type scene in there
Guardians of the Galaxy is the grim reaper of all once great mangas
@@Doot139 *cough* Attack on Titan
The worst part. Isayama didn't even need to ruin the ending to make it more like Guardians. He already did it with Levi and Kenny. Kenny wasn't Levi's father, but he was his daddy. And that was before Guardians 2 was even released.
Speed running to get nowhere is a perfect way to describe this act tbh
so nice to finally come across a video that articulates properly the issue we MHA fans have with the current manga. I’m a huuuuge fan of the series and will defend it from other mid anime watchers, but this current arc has just been… lackluster? Horikoshi spent all of the war arc setting up so many things for the Endgame arc, the Dark Deku arc was pretty much PEAK MHA- so to go from all that traction, to whatever this has been, is a slap to the face to the characters he spent so much time building up throughout the series. I understand he’s tired and wants to just finish the series and I totally respect that, but it’s still disappointing at the end of the day for us fans. Twitter has been a cesspool of shippers calling anyone who disagrees with the Bakugo revival “antis” or “dudebros.” thank you for highlighting all the good points! 🙏🏽
MVA and The war arc were very much peak, dark Deku had a chance but second half was rushed and underwhelming for the most part and it only got worse from there
"dark deku arc was peak MHA" 🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
@@theoriginalman9426 that was before I read the current manga 💀
Todoroki's are carrying this arc for me. I love all the moments with Shoto and Dabi. Even Endeavor.
But too bad random bs undid it all.
Istg when Edgeshot stepped up I was hoping he would just carry Bakugou’s body smwhere else so that he could get a proper burial after all of this… ofc that was being too wishful on my part
I dont really agree with Shinso's quirk upgrade being stupid since most of his development happens offscreen and under normal circumstances its been setup thats a major weakness of his quirk but quirks change and evolve so much across the story him being able to do slightly more complex brainwashing is believable even if a bit convenient for when it was needed in the story.
I 100% agree with everything else you said, very well thought out and relayed points here. Its been an uphill battle arguing with the defenders on twitter over the very things you've cited that have burdened this entire final act but the Bakugo bit was the cherry on top and it just fucking sucks all around.
I want to remind everyone that Bakugo’s heart exploded. Meaning his heart has been leaking every ounce of blood out of it. Edgeshot is going to stitch up Bakugos heart. The heart that has suffered catastrophic bloodless. Assuming that this would even work, what happens to the edgeshot sutures once edgeshot dies??????
These videos are good, I like em. Keep it up. It's crazy to think that I was impressed endlessly when the series was still somewhat new and then always being excited for every chapter since the Culture Festival. Though after the War, I barely kept up with chapters. Now, I haven't read a single one since the traitor revalation. That's half a year of chapters and it now feels like I'm not missing anything. LOL.
I get why they’re saving bakugo, I get the whole “saving the future” , it’s just the execution. Tbh I’m going ignore that and see how things play out. But I understand peoples frustration😭
i 100% agree....the mha is just a SHONEN so u need to expect this bs prove that ppl need to read more shonens...an example is naruto even tho its popular af...kishimoto had the guts to kill jiraiya,arguibly the most loved and popular character in naruto after naruto himself and nonetheless it was one of the highest peaks in naruto...idk if u know d gray man...the manga has literally 0 deaths but aleast doesnt fake out like this and when u have a big moment there will always be a huge drawback(lenalee after fighting a lvl 3 akuma literally lost everything) but its still one of the best shonen out there....btw i think that one of the many problems of this last arcs is the fanbase itself...horikoshi stated that he wanted to finish mha in like 30 volumes max but he had to do the family friendly arcs with the classes bc japanese fanbase hated the villains and thats why he even changed the whole ending of the forest arc...also the aoyama reveal was intented to be in volume 11...and after all this 8 yrs of writing caused a burn out to horikoshi, in facts rn hes taking many pauses and chapters usually have 15 pages max but atleast we have some of the best arts out there....he shouldve taken a 3 months hiatus like tabata did so he couldve prepared everything for the final arc without rushing everything...he could even do it rn bc there will be the new season with the best arc in the manga and a new volume coming out so there will still be content for 3 months
Even as a shounen, they could’ve done this better and not done a fakeout to begin with or at least do it in a way that makes sense and is impactful, this was neither
@@jeffreyali1456 yh in facts im saying that this didnt happen bc its a shonen like most ppl think...this is just bad writing from horikoshi...im starting to think that the mangakas with more guts on shonen jump are togashi and kishimoto...both of them killed the most popular characters in their series like netero and jiraiya
@@antooh1167 it is pretty bad IMO, but I will say that people who are still harassing and threatening Horikoshi are just doing it for bs. Hori needs a long hiatus at this point
@@jeffreyali1456 the last part of your comment made me appreciate One piece and Kingdom taking a week off every 3-4 chapters to rest and plan out the arc.
Actually, D grayman had a fake out death with it's own protagonist.
The whole thing started going down with that timeskip when Deku reveals his Quirk to his classmates in a letter.
(That whole thing was also disastrous)
I am pretty annoyed how poorly they planned the last bit of the arc and how awful powerscaling has been.
Momo could knock out Gigantomachia with anesthetics, but no one tried any type of drug on Shigaraki?
Horikoshi would just write "Shigaraki is immune to drugs".
Remember when this series was about kids going to school to become heroes? How much school time did we exactly cover again?
This is why I like Welcome to Demon School so much more, because ideas are so much better executed there... villains should not just be beaten by partially trained kids unless those kids are of much higher grades/ranks... in MHA, they are just 1st/2nd years for crying out loud...
Well that was almost half the seasons tho season 2 was internships so the students could get a feel on how to be a hero season 3 the students went on a trip to see how they can fair on they own season 4 is work-study's to teach them more about hero work season 5 is training all the students to use their powers more efficiently the whole entire lesson of endeavors agency was to do one thing at a time.
If we put it into thought they still are in school learning to become hero's that's what the whole of mha is but the setting switched after the war arc theirs no time for school the citizens don't even trust heroes anymore the last arcs are just putting the students up to the test. Everything they done Everything they studied was just to prepare them for situations like this
LOl i saw lot of complaints about the school stuff the most
A fellow Iruma-kun enjoyer I see 🍷🗿
one of biggest MHA's weakness is lack number of villain (even though most of them are well written). The lack number of villain costs a spotlight for other class member (even Tenya Ida) and make the story burnout quickly, this fault also happens in final part of Naruto Shippuden's war arc where thousand people just fighting 2 enemies.
In MHA's case, they actually introduced many interesting new batch of villains in the shape of Paranormal Liberation Front (Re-Destro, Geten, etc). But, for some reason the author just throw them away by making them arrested, and stick to the original League of Villains member. This ruins a lot of story potential and many character screentime for me.
Oh yeah, just watching the last part of the video about Bakugo and Edgeshot
It's hilarious that Edgeshot didn't even die anyway
You should do a series on "How I would fix MHA" when the whole story ends. I would love to watch it. As a casual manga reader, i am unable to notice the inconsistencies and wasted potential. Youre videos are very interesting and I can see that youre really passionate about MHA! Keep up the good work!!
Biggest positive of this arc is just that Nejire Hado is finally getting some more screen time finally (ik it’s a manga but still)
I hate Bakugou's death, because it broke me, but bringing him back is the worst thing they could've done.
I read the manga on the VIZ website and whenever I read a new chapter I look at people's comments and many have been complaining, examples:
- The final battle started out of nowhere, all from the heroes plans, they tricked AFO as if he hasn't mentioned before that he makes his plans years in advance, yeah that meant nothing.
- When Shoto used that ultimate move on Dabi, that was hype as hell but at the same time it felt too quick and easy, case and point Dabi made a complete 180 and still returned...so the hype was for nothing.
- When Bakugo was killed, everyone was saying "Izuku is going to show up in the next chapter and turn complete berserk again like in the previous battle" NOPE, here comes Edgeshot(a cool side character btw) and started fixing Bakugo... Izuku shows up later, goes berserk for a few seconds and Mirio snaps him back into control... so Bakugo getting killed so far meant nothing.
- Some chapters are spent within seconds, sometimes the story hardly moves forward at all in a single chapter, like in the latest chapter for example, it was just Izuku being shocked at all the damage and hurt heroes and going berserk for a few seconds.
Yeah, what the fuck were those fingers shot out by Shigaraki, since that couldn't have been a quirk because both Aizawa and Monoma had their eyes on him using Aizawa's cancel quirk, they said it was Shigaraki's body finding it's perfect form... that was just unnatural and wasn't even a quirk... it was weird.
And Yes like you've pointed out, where is Izuku's recoil damage from using 100%? When he battled Overhaul he had Eri's quirk reverting his body to normal so there was no recoil, ok, that makes sense, but last 3 arcs? Nothing. And that was one of the biggest themes in the whole manga, sure Izuku is getting stronger and more used to OFA but still...
Also I have a question, how are none of the heroes quirks accidentally turned off by Aizawa when they are fighting so close to Shigaraki and Aizawa is watching from so far away???
Todorki family be putting the entire series on their backs recently
To me, a lot of unfortunately stems from Horokoshi not really having much to say, but rather he has had a lot of cool ideas for a long time
2:09 Worst part is, the Toga thing goes pretty much nowhere anyways, as Deku essentially boils down to saying that she’s delusional, which causes her to lose it, and then Ochaco and Toga fight while Deku takes flight for too many chapters.
I haven’t gotten to the final arc yet but I’m a little skeptical over wether or not it’s actually bad because I see a video like this every single a time a manga is in its final arc. Can’t wait to find out !
update?
@@newalbacore8352 The manga is good, the youtuber is talking out of his ass.
update?
He turns into a heart. Funniest shit I've ever seen.
Unpopular opinion: Mha writing has always been sub-paar and now that it's even worse than mid finally the fans are catching on
Also so many characters have been sidelined to infinity Ochako has done nothing, Lida has done nothing, we haven't seen kirishima or mina do anything. Every chapter is AFO trying to get back to shigaraki but oh no hero come stop him or deku punch shigaraki and shigaraki punch deku. It's gotten so boring and dull.
If my hero academia keeps doing fake deaths they will cash up to dragon ball levels of characters deaths meaning nothing I still don't know how to feel about bakou fake death.
You know, the worst part is not even that he comes back.
It is a Shonen manga, people coming back for flimsy reasons goes back to Dragon Ball, this is neather unheard of or that unexpected (It is still very lame for these very reasons).
However, the real bad part is that Deku. Does. Not. Even. Sees. It.
Imagine the massive emotional moment of Deku rushing to fight and "save" Shigeraki, only to see all hero's bloodied and beaten and Bakugo, a character who he had such a deep and nuanced relationship with, dead on the Floor. With Shigi even taunting him about it, reveling in his loss.
But no, we don't get that. Of course we don't, otherwise Deku's "I will save this child" thing might have consquences and Layers. Not to mention, he does not care about Shigi (just like the Plot no longer does after the Stupid AFO merge), he cares about the baby Personallity that is disconnected from all the bad stuff Shigi did. Convieniently removing moral complexity even more. It is not like their is much left anyway, I am just waiting for AFO to be behind Quirk-discrimination and the flaws of the Hero System, somehow.
I think it's better that Izuku didn't see it.
Imagine how manipulative it would have been to see Izuku's reaction only to have Bakugo revive a few chapters later. Making Izuku's whole reaction feel Meh since, in the end, it doesn't matter because Bakugo came back. This is something that at least doesn't bother me which is that we didn't have the reactions of the students or Izuku since all those reactions would have been useless. Just imagine Izuku or Kirishima reacting angry or sad for nothing because Bakugo is reviving a few chapters later.
It would be like the "you never signed my card All Might" which is now meaningless because Bakugo is going to be able to ask All Might to sign his card. Unless All Might dies but that has nothing to do with Bakugo.
9:35 *F* in the chat, everyone.
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Well after reading the last chapter of the war arc I can definitely say this arc was indeed a complete and utter failure
MHA worked so hard to distinguish itself from the shadows of Naruto and Bleach just to copy them almost to a tee by the end.
Obito Part 2 with Shigaraki let’s gooooo.
bleach?? lol
@@xssquee9798 Rushing past plot points or ignoring them, new abilities appearing without explanation just in time to help the protagonists, that's all in bleach's war arc.
@@BuzzabeelYT thats not really “copying them almost to a tee” it’s just doing the same shit lol
@@xssquee9798 Does copying not mean doing the same thing?
@@BuzzabeelYT oh shit my bad 💀
Bakugo section had me in tears man lmaoooo
I will NEVER understand abilities that only activate on the death of the user. How do you even find out that you have an ability like that? How do you strengthen it?
Outside of those rare instances, like being told explicitly that you have that ability (which in itself can be really contrived and stupid), this is something that always gets me heated. The moment Edgeshot did his nonsense, I honestly dropped the series. It's such a damn shame. :/
It's been in decline for a while but here's some things wrong with the series.
- power creep (and this is a massive problem) made shigi way to powerful too early on before anyone else. Ruined the end of the war and his first real fight with deku.
- all for one's character. Until the prison break he was fantastic an S Tier villain.....then he busts out of prison in a chapter and his grand plan is to blow it up.....since then throw him in the trash.
-stars and stripes....... sigh
- shigi is AFO!!??? (trash)
-character deaths?? Hot take but all might should've died in his clash with AFO dekus mom, grand torino(who should also be dead), or eraser head could've done all of his scenes since. Plus with the vestiges his mentor role is worthless anyway. And obviously bakugo....
I could go on but it's bad. Really bad
Even for people who find it average, I’m betting that MVA and the war arcs brought their interest up, and I can only imagine the dissatisfaction they faced when reading the final act
@@jeffreyali1456 this whole series is a disappointment
@@kwayneboy1524 maybe not as a whole, but it’s certainly has a growing number of issues.
@@jeffreyali1456 that over shadow the series and show the underlining flaws and prove it was build like a house of cards
@@kwayneboy1524 The problems definitely overshadowed most of the final act sadly to the point where I just dropped the series
I have the feeling Horikoshi really just wants to end this manga and just goes ape shit with the plot and lost the ability to care at this point
I just caught up to chapter 429 yesterday and while I had an absolutr blast reading over 50+ chapters the past few days, I'm only now realizing how lackluster the story and execution of this arc is, despite my enjoyment
MHA's War arc is basically the Buu Saga from DBZ.
All spectacle but little substance and meaning. A flashy ending rather than a purposeful one.
I’m very mixed on the final arc. Like you put it, there’s a lot of emphasis on individual cool moments rather than a consistent progression in the story. However, while this arc has a lot of issues, I actually like the 336 reveal quite a bit, since it felt properly built up, and it’s the kind of twist that can lead to you rewatching earlier scenes thinking “oh…. Oh god.” Same goes to endeavor’s overall character progression, which has also been really satisfying to see. I just wish there was more buildup for the rest of the events in this arc.
Overall, I feel really bad for Horikoshi. He’s a good writer, and he definitely could have set this up better, but it’s clear he just wants to be done with it at this point, which I can absolutely understand. Burnout is a very real problem, especially for manga writers. Honestly, it’s kind of frustrating to see people paint him as a terrible writer because of this.
Mha rn is just a bunch of buffs and overcomes with no meaning at all
I'm getting into the series really hard again and I'm assuming I might wanna turn my brain off for this arc? I just finished Dark Deku and season 6 and I'm about to continue the story in the manga
I forgot Midnight died..
I dont like what he did to all might recently.
Literally gave him another big fight chance. For no reason at all in a damn titan suite. Like bruh. He ruined the heart felt big moment when he fought all for one and pointed to deku saying its your turn now. Like him making all might fight again ruined that moments stain. I loved how the story was going but it got ruined nothing connects and its all over the place. Even this final fight is wack
No the fight was great. The facz he didnt die was dumb
I found that fight stupid too
I am disliking mha it feels like none of the characters are getting fleshed out
Is the end of boku no hero out yet? Is the manga finished?
not yet. only 20-30 chapters out probably
@@AsarathaHSYT So the second war is over and the conflict is over? so the ending was bad.
@@diegomejia4401 No it hasnt ended he was refering to most of the events within the second war the war is still going on
My friends bugged me to watch MHA and I never got the hype for it. I dropped it cos it really never feels like there are any stakes I'm not saying horikoshi needs to kill damn near everyone like in jujutsu kaisen but why should I care about this series if it feels like nobody's lives are ever on the line especially in a freaking war. This series has one of the biggest casts ever that keeps growing and nobody ever really dies or suffers an injury that puts them out of action in a world where supervillains are as common as pigeons. The huge cast is another reason I dropped it I can't even remember every name they're just that guy who does such a thing. There's like what only 5 characters or less in the whole class that even matter and the adults make up the majority of important characters which is still less than 10. I also loathed bakugo so hearing he actually got development and dies gave me some hope but knowing he just gets brought back again via random BS killed any interest in revisiting it in future.
Shonen kills off its most popular character? That would never- *you are my special starts playing*
What would be so hilarious is if Shigaraki manages to speed blitz to Bakugo before edgeshot can even throw away his life.
Love your content keep going💪
Such a pity that such a promising series turned so bad. The current are has to be one of the worst final arcs I have ever seen. I’m nit even gonna watch the anime anymore. Once the paranormal liberation arc ended I stopped there. I keep up with the manga just to see how much worse it gets. And it’s getting worse and worse all the time. So sad to see how such a successful series failed so horribly in the end
and people really wonder why readers are slowly but surely showering Black Clover Praise, while MHA are getting boos.
When he said “now take a 3 month hiatus” lmaooooo that so funny I feel that
I would like to believe that Dabi's ability to recreate Shoto's quirk comes aspect of his quirk that is unknown to both us as the reader AND dabi. After all, it's rlly odd that the man is still up and kicking despite how damaged his body looks. Maybe he has a bigger ice side than just ice resistance or smth like that. Maybe it'll come into play later in the story. Maybe I am asking for too much.
"If a nuclear weapon was dropped on any of these battlefields, i would not be particularly worried about the outcome of any of these characters" is REALLY funny to come back to now that dabi has exploded (in a supposed 5km range i think?) and i am, in fact, not worried about any of these characters' outcome. they'll be fine.
I need to ask why is Horikoshi doing this?
Is this a Tite Kubo situation where his fans have been sending him death threats constantly that he threw his hands up and shat out an ending just cause?
O thank God Im not the only one that hates this arc. Nohing matters ever at all. Every time there is a fight i just wait for it to end like...
In my head, I believe that Gran Torino dies after handing his cape over to Deku, like how Yoda dies after some final words of wisdom. If you wanna get dark, I imagined that after saying how death is a form of salvation, Gran Torino turns his head to look at the plug for his life support machine. Deku notices this and they sit in silence for a while. Afterward, Deku unplugs the machine as a mercy kill, which is what may happen with some other villains he needs to fight along the way. Gran Torino is showing the audience by example of how it can be necessary. That would be an insane way to kick off his solo arc.
Thing is, he would never put that pressure on Deku
So like, it's weird that you have only 2k subs right?
Banger as always
1 year later, bakugo came back
All might survives again even when his contribution is Useless
Only the todoroki family and togachako had "solid" development
Can we talk about if eri can freaking use her quirk now can't she just use it on all might just like how she used it on toga or am I missing something
I mostly agree everything related to Edgeshot and Bakugo's revial is some horrendous writing especially that fucking bubble.
But Bakugo's death while good as far as final scenes go was rushed imo, he didn't get any closure with Deku or any other classmate so I'd much have preferred this happened later on building up how he was breaking his body just to keep up with Deku. Granted him dying was a wonderful alternative to what we're now getting.
As for vestages I disagree them rising up when they did makes sense in the narrative based on what was happening compared to the Kamino fight. As for quirk coping yeah it needed more detail the only part that makes sense is they're weaker or at least more unstable then they original, which is why I like how Eri's was used here a final gamble using what's essentially a copy of a copy of the original.
Then the whole finger man thing with Shigaraki, it's fiction which I'd normally hand wave away such a terrible writing excuse. But for this we've seen how fucked up quirks make people so the final form of that being finger man makes sense and more so its a cool set piece to overwhelm the heroes.
Shinso is acceptable we knew he was training so this kind of power up wasn't inconceivable. Dabi's doesn't the whole idea behind Shoto's move was it couldn't be done by anyone else it was his quirk, then Dabi makes a copy like it's not 1 to 1 but it's pretty close.
Overall act 3 has disappointed me a lot and the Bakugo incident was the straw that broke the camels back. But I will still defend things which I think are unfairly called out.
P.S sorry about spelling and keep up the great videos
Honestly Bakugou getting revived is total bs. Either keep him alive or keep him dead, don't kill him and then bring him back in some convoluted way.
I honestly can't say that I enjoy it like I once did, still I will see it through to the end.
I love your content from what I've seen so far, but while all you're saying is correct, I still want to give Horikoshi the benefit of the doubt because considering the conditions weekly manga are made in, I'm surprised that any of them are good.
But you're right. I haven't even read MHA in over a year, when Deku became a vigilante in the US. I put all my WSJ reading on hiatus as it was so troublesome to keep up with like 14 series while depressed and burned out, but even then my love for the series had been fizzling out. I do plan on going back to finish it, hopefully before it ends.
Midoriya never became a vigilante in the US. What are you talking about?
I stopped watching around Season 4, the more I hear about the series the more it sounds like the series should've ended at Kamino Ward.