This has been my favorite current series you guys are doing. The joy is in the details that are presented in the videos, details I've never heard or considered. Much appreciated!
Great video and very informative for a cypriot such as myself who was born in the 80s. The focus at school during history class was more on the aftermath of the 1974 events and not on what took place during the 60s. So hearing about the struggles of both sides searching for an identity is important to paint a more compete picture of the events that lead up to the division of the island.
Great video as always. Had the most fun watching David trying to pronounce impossible Greek names! Nice try though! Keep up the good work people! Your videos are great and I always eagerly expect them. Particularly you did a very good job of presenting a very complicated issue. Here in Greece, even now, when we want to say that something is complicated we say that it's like "the Cyprus issue", or conversely, if we want to say that it is not really that complicated, we say "well, is not like the Cyprus issue"...
Grab your Haloumi and buckle up! Brilliant series on Cyprus and the cold war. Excellent channel for explaining events of the cold war in my classroom! Love it!
"Every Cypriot event is followed by food" Fair. Both Greeks and Turks are renowned for their food, and their love of it. They're both canonical treatbois
@@Panos-xo9rc I have just got off of dinner. Had mercimek soup, rice with chicken on the side of pan-fried culture mushrooms (if it sounds weird that's because family recipe), also lettuce-onion salad topped with canned tuna fish. We also had chicken mantı but fish-mushroom-rice trio got me down bad. At this hour you guys should have had dinner too already, i wish you a rich dinner as well.
@@OttomanDrifter91 Lol,i just had two boiled eggs and some bread,cheese and a sliced tomato,a pitiful end for a long day....but its OK, tommorow there is pork (our edge over turkish cuisine if you ask me) stew with green onions and other vegies in an egg and lemon sauce,a refined dish and one of my faves while it is warm and fresh. Cheers.
@@Panos-xo9rc Aww, yep that's a light dinner, i do that when i am too tired to prepare anything lol. Can infinitely improve with some cold-processed olive oil
its funny seeing old footage of cyprus from the 60s and 70s because it looks almost exactly the same today as it did back then. i recognize quite a few places from the shots of nicosia that you used.
We, the Association for the Liberation of Bell Button, demand that buttons everywhere be allowed freedom to travel! Also that the Bell Button Liberation Coalition *Spits on ground* be universally condemned as a terrorist organization who are only using Button based issues as a means of criminal self enrichment.
In this video about Cyprus, one of Makarios proposals for constitutional reform is ‘for the vicepresident to deputise for the president in case of his temporary absence of incapacity’. What else could be the purpose of having a vicepresident?
In the Cypriot constitution, the Vice President had far more powers than of a typical Vice Precident you may have in mind, for example the US Vice President
@@PGproductionsHD Ireland provided infantry to the UN mission in the 1960's. My Uncle was a Commandant (Major) in the Irish Army and he served there on 2 occasions in the late 60's. The Irish forces were tasked to serve between Turks and Greek Cypriots and he was near Famagusta as far as I recall my father saying at the time. The UN forces or blue helmets were not a peace enforcing mission rather where each side agreed the force would effectively police the tension between each community. The mission served there until 1979 even after the invasion when it switched to Southern Lebanon.
Hey David, The image being used at 15:25 was actually a Greek Cypriot battle victory over a Turkish controlled area, despite of the flag shown, which the Greeks supposedly left it there to indicate victory.
In cypriot scholls for 12 years history book after history book not even half of what you said is been brought up and if is been ,is in the smallest amounts i love the natural side of yours as a Cypriot i cant never see things as you can but thank you for your work am gonna study your video even send it to some people of that era that fought in 74 not matter the side of history you get is one of the sadest periods of cyprus.
Greeks always poked the bear in the eye. The idea of recreating the Eastern Roman Empire is far fetched as the idea of the “Megali Idea”. A wise man knows his limitation.
Yep. This is exactly how I remember these events in the news. Convoluted, idiotic violence, never ending and to no point anyone else in the world cared about. I didn't make it halfway through the video -- but that's not your fault.
That sums up probably 90% of the cold war conflicts. A and B both occupy an area of land. A and B have people in charge that, if left alone, could work out most of their disagreements. But A and B each also have radicals that will do anything to keep the other from having the slightest access to power, including killing their own people who are trying to make peace. Add outside influences from Washington, Moscow and elsewhere and things escalate. Throw in some religious animosity just for fun too. Pretty much most of post war and post colonial Africa, Asia, and Middle East.
@@pecadodeorgullo5963 The fact that they still have them should be adequate proof. However, during the Thatcher premiership, the then President of Cyprus Spiros Kyprianou broached the subject of the return of the bases to the RoC and Mrs Thatcher allegedly responded with "The bases are as British as Devon and Cornwall". Does that sound like the UK wants to give them back? Anything else said about the bases is purely to obfuscate the issue.
@@elbmw from what I remember reading a while ago, before the Cyprus crisis began the uk was considering returning the bases due to financial issues but the usa objected and agreed to fund the bases in return for the usa being able to use them. This was before the Thatcher era so what you wrote old be right as well.
its interesting to hear how Turkish communists fled to the UK - one irony of history is that the UK, the birthplace of modern industrial capitalism and one of the leading NATO powers, has also been the asylum of last resort for many left-wing political figures going back to Marx himself
The extend of the knowledge you present here is incredible. This information is not well known by most Cypriots. You have all my "wow" moments in here when I try to convince people of my own opinions
Great Video. My father was a Turkish Police Sargent during 1958 fighting alongside British Army fighting Eoka Terrorists. I was born in Girne Kyrenia. Left the Island 1961. Cypriots can live side by side its the outsiders who have always caused troubles. Now they arming the Island on both side's. Population has nowhere to run and hide in a war. A war over Gas is a big worry.
You are incredibly misinformed and have been fed dangerous propaganda. Hopefully you can comprehend this sentence, I know you are not famous for your English skills.
Good video certain issues that were not mentioned 1. Greek and Turkish Cypriots were not neccessarily distinguished based on ethnicity. During the ottoman years the word turk meant somebody who was a muslim. So you can still find families who half are christian and half are muslim (turks). that is why on many occasions they cooperated 2. The Acheson plan was the best. however it is the first time that Grivas accepted it. In all the sources he did not accepted it 3. You do not mention that from 1964 up to 1972 both Papandreou and Papadopoulos tried to persuade Makarios to enter NATO 4. Makarios wanted to become a dictator of Cyprus. He was named the red priest since he had good relationship with USSR and his actions supported USSR. 5. Makarios organized in 1968 the Epikurikon (support) a corps that acted as his pretorian guard. They main job was attacking turks, greeks and pro enosis greek cypriots. They were also better armed than the national guard 6. in the national guard both greek and turkish cypriots could serve like it was happening in the police and the fire department. however the turkish cypriots boycotted their service. after the incidents they were banned from serving 7. You did not mention the meeting of 1968 in Kesan between Greece and Turkey concerning the Cypriot issue 8. The division you mentioned was actually a brigade size unit that was transported stealthily. The one who send it was Papandreou, but the one who organized the transport was Papadopoulos (who later became a dictator 1967-1973). It was called division just to show more strength. All the soldiers were tranported with civilian cloths and with fake greek cypriot IDs. They were heavily armed compared to the Greek Force in Cyprus (ELDYK). When they withdrew they left their heavy equipment behind for ELDYK 9. Kofinou was organized by Karamanlis who persuaded Grivas. the idea was to cause issue in Cyprus to overthrow the dictatorship in Greece. Since ELDYK took action (illegally) Makarios declared that "Greeks invaded Cyprus" which based on the Geneva treaty was illegal. That is why Menelaos left. Makarios did it on purpose in order to throw all the greeks serving in Cyprus in order to manipulate the system and become a dictator 10. you did not mention that Makrios from the begunning of Epikuriko commited attacks on Greek soldiers and on pro enosis, and he even murdered a number of them. His epikuriko was acting like Sturmabteilung 11. Makarios destroyied the national guard with diminishing its numbers, the purchase of destroyied and obsolete equipment from USSR etc 12. In the Geneva talks Karamanlis invited Turkey eventought until then Turkey did not have any part on the island 13. You did not mention that also in 1968 Turkey was ready to invade Cyprus and it was stopped while the ships were ready to leave Antalya and Adana 14. You need also to talk more about Georkatzis role in the turmoil between Cyprus-Greece and Greek-Turkish Cypriots. Finally he was executed from Greeks in order to stop an eminent war with Turkey 15. Both Greece and Turkey wanted Makarios out of the way due to his actions. Other than that very good video (despite killing the Greek names)
That didn't work well in other British possessions like Palestine, Ireland, India, Malaya/Singapore, etc., although it was a success with USA / Canada... except in 1812.
If you look at the map on 1:56 which shows the ethnic distribution that existed before the Turkish invasion in 1974 you can see that its a hodge-podge with no clearly Greek or Turkish areas. Partition would have been impossible, akin to trying to descramble an omelette back into the eggs.
Cyprus would be a faction republic or even part of Greece if it wasn't the British who wanted to satisfy the Turkey's apetite and created this disfuctional state 30/70,40/60,veto from the turkish-cypriots etc when the video fails to inform us that the Greeks were 84% and Turkish-Cypriots 14%,a referendum could be held like the one organised by the Church in 1950 and have the Cypriots to deside for themselves.
Typical 'Divide and Conquer' British policy of the era (like India-Pakistan, Middle East etc). If Cyprus would have join either Greece or Turkey, the bases would been taken by US. Beneficial for both Greece and Turkey too, as both are still using it to expand their territorial claims to East Mediterranean . As usually, the locals pay the price... Very detailed video, thank you! Not mentioned in the video, but truly remarkable is that Makarios is the record holder of failed assassination attempts!
20:54 1. Kofinou TMT were indeed blocking Nicosia-Limassol road 2. The attack against Kofinou was a joint decision of Makarios and Grivas. 3. The Greek Junta, under Turkish threats and US urge, removed Grivas from Cyprus, not Makarios. 4. The Greek division was not "secret", therefore was not "discovered", either by the Greek Cypriots nor by Turkey.
@@alexhousakos Well, it depends what you mean by NATO; was it the NATO organisation as a whole or a few members within it? By all accounts the Junta was a CIA sponsored operation and certainly "GLADIO" was (at the time) a secret NATO plan so one cannot say it wasn't exactly NATO but then state it was with the aid of GLADIO that was a NATO operation. In any case the colonels did not act alone. Expanding a little more on that subject, one cannot ignore the impression that the installment of a Junta in Greece was to prepare the ground and perform a coup in Cyprus so as to provide the necessary pretext for a Turkish invasion. You could say that once that was achieved, the Juntas job had been done and was therefore no longer necessary, which is why it was toppled shortly after the invasion of Cyprus.
@@elbmw The GLADIO Plans were known to the chain of command of all NATO countries as are all plans made by the NATO HQ. The Colonels had access and authority to execute that plan. As did the King and the Generals. But the King was slow to do so. But only the King’s men had NATO authorization to carry a coup. The Colonels acted on their own accord.
@@alexhousakos If you recall, the Junta had changed several leaders between 67 to 74 and as Patakos has stated publicly, it was because they couldn't find a suitable colonel that was stupid enough to perform the coup in Cyprus until Ioannides became leader.
@@elbmw Again forgetting that Papadopoulos wanted to liberalize the regime and illegally proclaimed a "Republic" in 1973. The former and the Polytechnic Event were the causes of Ioannides's Junta.
Greetings, i am a Cypriot and i am i liked your short video documentary. I am writing something on the cyprus problem, but answering it with the Bible since i am a Christian. But i want to get the historical facts right and i was wondering if you could help me? Do you have a transcript of what you said on the video? Do you have a website? Where did you do your studies i am interested to know? Hope to hear from you soon. Kind regards Ninos Hadjirousou
I've known about the division of Cyprus for a while, but not much detail on the issue. Thank you for this video. I would enjoy seeing more videos on Cyprus in the future! God be with you out there everybody! ✝️ :)
Cypriot Greek has often been referred to as a dialect of Greek (Contossopoulos, 2000); a variety that is linguistically proximal to Standard Modern Greek (Grohmann and Kambanaros, 2016 Grohmann et al. 2016), which is the official language in the environment our participants acquire language. Although the official language in education and other formal settings is indeed Standard Modern Greek, research has shown the boundaries between the two varieties, Standard Modern Greek and Cypriot Greek, and their distribution across different registers is not straightforward (Grohmann and Leivada, 2012, Tsiplakou et al. 2016). At times mixing is attested without code-switching being in place, while no official characterization has been provided for any of these terms in this specific context. The question arising in this context is whether the attested variants emerging in mixed speech repertoires are functionally equivalent for an individual speaker. The concept of "competing grammars goes back to Krich 11989, 1991), who proposed that speakers project multiple grammars to deal with ambiguous input This concept has been explicitly connected to the relation between Standard and Cypriot Greek (Papadopo et al. 2014; plaka 2014; Grohman et al 2017) The two varieties have differences in all levels of linguistic analysis and often monolingual speakers of Standard Modern Greek judge Cypriot Greek as unintelligible. At the same time, Greek Cypriot speakers do not always provide reliable judgments of their own speech since these are often clouded by sociolinguistic attitudes toward using the non-standard variety. Cypriot Greek lacks official codification and its status as a different language/variety is often denied by Greek Cypriots who may downplay the differences between Standard Modern Greek and Cypriot Greek and describe the latter as just an accent (Arvaniti, 2010). As the discussion of the different variants will make clear in the next section, the two varieties have differences across levels of linguistic analysis and these differences vastly exceed the sphere of phonetics or phonology. All speakers of Cypriot Greek have exposure to Standard Modern Greek through education and other mediums and in this way, they are competent to different degrees in both varieties. We employ the term 'bilectal' (Rowe and Grohmann, 2013, 2014) to refer to the participants of this study, although it is not entirely clear that the varieties they are exposed to are Standard Modern Greek and Cypriot Greek or that they are only two varieties, under the assumption that a continuum is in place. For instance, the term 'Cypriot Standard Greek' (Arvaniti, 2010) has been proposed to refer to an emerging variety that may count as the standard in the context of Cyprus. This would be a sociolinguistically 'high' variety (Ferguson, 1959) that is used in formal settings, although its degree of proximity with Standard Modern Greek is difficult to determine with precision because great fluidity is attested across different settings and geographical areas. At the school environment, for example, one notices the existence of three different varieties: Cypriot Greek, as the home variety that is used when students interact with each other, Standard Modern Greek, as the language of the teaching material, and another standard-like variety that incorporates elements from both varieties, and is present in the repertoire of both the students and the instructors (Sophocleous and Wilks. 2010; Hadjioannou et al., 2011; Leivada et al.. 2017).
There is no single Greek Cypriot dialect, travelling within the island I had no difficulty hearing a difference despite not knowing the language. I have heard the local dialect described by mainland Greeks described as sounding 'silly,' which made me think it an equivalent of Blackcountry dialect in England.
@@mrmr446 the Greek language has many local dialects. In general the Cypriot variation is very close to the Creten one on aspect of vocabulary, slang and pronunciation but different in accent Also the Cypriot sound like they speak faster than the mainland Greeks A natively speaking Greek can understand the various dialects if really paying attention since both standard Greek and in our case Cypriot Greek are based on variations of ancient ionian dialects
@@Pavlos_Charalambous You can understand the dialect by immersion since both Modern and Cypriot Greek are based on Medieval Greek. Linguistically, t could be considered a different language but it isn't for political reasons. I personally see it as Hellenic language and the last truly alive descendant of Medieval Greek apart from Modern Greek Edit: The closest Greek Dialect would be Dodecanese Greek
@@mrmr446 There is a single dialect, but varying accents. People might sound different in terms of how they speak but they use Cypriot grammar and syntax which mostly the same across the island.
@@photis666 it makes sense since Dodecanese, Creten and Cypriot Greeks have more or less the same place of origin I would say - besides some Turkish vocabulary the pontic Greek is even closer to " koine" / medieval Greek Although more or less is a dead dialect with only some elements surviving in every day tongue of people in Northern Greece
No mention of the machinations of the CIA? Fascinating. Are we thinking about the same Cyprus in the same 1960s as Gladio., et. al.,? Liked and subscribed,
What isn't mentioned is that the Greek Cypriots are the 82% of the population and have been the native people of the island for over 3000 years, while the Turkish Cypriots are an 18% minority created during Ottoman rule just a few centuries ago (Cyprus was conquered by the Ottomans 2 centuries after they conquered the Balkans and most of mainland Greece). The problem for Greek Cypriots was that with the 1960 "agreements", which Greek Cypriots were blackmailed to accept, the 18% was equated with the 82%, with the Turkish Cypriots being given vetoes and shares which were disproportionally large (30% and 40% shares, when their population is 18%). It is the injustice that Makarios wanted to change with his 13 points, so that the sharing became proportional. In Ukraine there is an 18% Russian minority. I don't see anybody proposing that the Russians of Ukraine should have veto powers over everything in Ukraine, and that their 18% minority should be given 30% of public servant positions and 40% of the police and army. Obviously the Ukrainians would never accept such thing. So why were the native Cypriots expected to accept it?
Even more context for why the Greeks and Turks lost. their. bloody. minds. was because both still remembered the atrocities and brutality of the Greeko-Turkish war of the 1920s.
18 % used to be Turkish Cypriots which we all agree to give them equal rights like every European Citizenship. The issue at the moment is that Turkish Cypriots are not controling anymore their part since Turkey took over. Therefore, the Cyprus issue will not be resolved.
I think the issue started when civilians started to attack each other, some forming groups with a "cleaning the others from the area" mindset, they can be called terrorists. Once the Cypriots gave the "human life is in danger" excuse to the other countries, Turkey just snatched the opportunity to invade, claiming it is for protecting the Turkish Cypriots' lives (seems to be true to some degree, now both sides are physically divided they cannot harm each other even if they want to lol). Both sides should've known how to live together peacefully from the very start.
I always found this situation stupid. If the majority of population in a territory want something, it should happen (in this case union with Greece) while the minority should receive privileges and guarantees for their rights. Especially when the minority (Turish Cypriots) are dispersed and only majority in enclaves. Self-determination is one of the most hypocritical and nonsensical concepts ever and is applied selectively more than anything in history.
Dr Fazıl Küçük. There is no -chuk in Turkish names. However, phonetically ç sounds like ch. You could look at a Turkish documentary for example, to hear how the name is pronounced.
As soon as you started explaining the assigned ratios of ethnicities in government, I started shaking my head. We've started trying to do that here in California, even with corporations, with mandated ratios of select groups and it just doesn't work. I don't know what the best solution is, but that isn't it. I really wish people would work for the betterment of the collective good, and we could do away with artificial alliances and forced "peace," but then again, we are dealing with human beings, who seem to make things complicated and dangerous when they don't need to be. I get so frustrated listening to history of "leaders" that are all about power and fool themselves into thinking they are doing things for their people, only to cause the suffering and deaths of innocents, including those same people they claim to represent.
According to records who appeared the last 20 years, Cyprus didn't join NATO because first of all NATO (USA) didn't want to take the troubles who were coming with such a development and secondly because Great Britain didn't want that also because it was going to lose the monopoly of the services provided to NATO through its bases. Therefore, without NATO as even a choice Makarios had to join the non-aligment in order to have some allies in the UN. In addition, western countries were not selling arms to the Republic of Cyprus (after 1963 Greek Cypriot controlled) while Turkey was arming the Turkish Cypriots, therefore Soviet Union and other Eastern European countries (Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia) were some of the few who could sell us (Greek Cypriots) weapons.
you guys doing a amazing job. Also you are my fav channel when it comes to cold war. wish you happy new year and success in this year. wonderfully presented and well researched. I 'm waiting for great content like this. good luck. and I appreciate your dedication and hard work for these videos. the Cyprus crisis began because of the dispute between Turks and Greeks in Cyprus, and Turks invade Cyprus and British come to resolve that problem . I learned some details from your sister channel the kings and generals. also thanks for them for providing me that details. I studied this period and nowadays searching WW II and the cold war. Also I read some books about this period. Again thank you for providing information about one of most turbulent and most dangerous period. Because in that period we were all fear of another WW. This Cyprus crisis is still going dispute and there is a schism in Cyprus two states called northern dominated by Turks ( I can't remember definitely dominated by Turks) and south dominated by Greek.
@@ShubhamMishrabro They're called Greeks by Greeks. Anyone who has the slightest clue about the history of Cyprus knows the Greeks were a foreign culture that came to dominate the island over time, just as with Turks.
@@zydrate5098 i mean Cypriot are greeks too. And greeks are mentioned as main ethnicity just like germanic, chinese and indian. Seems like you don't like Cypriots getting called greeks
What I may have missed is why these two communities have hated each other so much and for so long. Is it racism, ethnicity, language, religion, why? To an outside visitor like me, they are both Cypriots. The other memory I have of my short visit to Cyprus is the immediate in-your-face reaction when locals realized I was a foreigner. "Whose side are you on? ..." was something I heard over and over again. This was generally followed by incredulous shock when I pointed out that the vast majority of people on Earth couldn't find Cyprus on a map let alone care about this endless in-fighting. I am sorry to sound harsh, but its the truth. I look forward to watching this series. Maybe by the end of it I can finally understand what all this hate and blood is about.
"Is it racism, ethnicity, language, religion, why?" The entire world is not Canada or the United States; they don't just have a basketball game with the words "end racism" and that's that. Cyprus is in a part of the world that has changed hands for the past 3000 years minimum. Endless ethnic groups have moved in, claimed it, attacked their enemies etc. It is way too complex to label as one issue, but yes, the biggest one is ethnic conflict. Between the Greeks/European Cypriots and the Turkish/Asian Cypriots. They are both "Cypriots" in the sense that both lay claim to Cyprus and that that is a distinction on a passport. Beyond that, they view themselves as, and are, entirely different groups.
The Greek - Turkish rivalry is the longest in world history. 1000 years of wars have made them both quite suspicious against each other... It's the borders between Western and Eastern civilizations and religions, so friction never ends. (Btw, only a handful of Europeans will know in which coast Washington is, as it's of no Historical significance).
There was a time where both Greek and turkish Cypriots did live together and they both where against the British, they all wanted independence until eoka and tmt where formed if it wasn't for theses two groups cyprus would have been united and with no British bases
@@dtice69 Prior to 1955, the 'Greek' and 'Turkish' communities lived side by side without any problems. Once the EOKA independence movement had began, Britain found a way to 'divide and rule' by assigning definitive ethnicities to the Cypriots. Following the fawx quasi-independence in 1960, it was all about keeping the bases for the UK and the division of Cyprus by Turkey has worked very well in that regard. Meaning...at the moment, the Cypriots are shouting "Turkish troops out of Cyprus". If the Turkish troops leave they will be shouting "British troops out of Cyprus". Or at least thats what I suspect the British fear.
The piece is not entirely accurate as it implies the Makarios Government refused to join NATO. This is not the case. Before the events of 1974 Cyprus made a formal application but it was vetoed by Turkey.
First, the "Latins" weren't remnants of the Crusaders, but Italian missionaries and merchants of the late 19th century. As for their situations today, most of them fled to the south, to the government-controlled territory, though there are a number of Maronites still in the Occupied Territory. As for the Armenians, I'm not sure if there are any remaining in the Occupied Territory, but there are still a number of sizable communities in the government-controlled territory. Also, there are a couple of Greek communities in the Occupied Territory, in Rizokarpaso. Also, there are still a couple of "mixed-villages" of Christians and Muslims in the government-controlled territory, particularly Pila, in the Larnaca District.
@@davidscwimer1974 that is demonstrably false. Constantinople may of fallen over 500 years ago, however the Turks were on the Mediterranean since the 11th century. It's now the 21st century. Go do the math.
Just want to make a few comments: 1. TMT was created by the Turkish Secret Services (MIT) to enact partition of Cyprus, even Denktash admitted that they were the ones giving orders. After independence they never stopped being active, as Turkey supplied arms to the Turkish Cypriots to continue their fight. And this is why the Greek Cypriots were always vigilant against them 2. Grivas was against action in Koffinou because he knew it would provoke a reaction by Turkey. It was Makarios and his cabinet who forced him. Some speculate that Makarios wanted to take the bait so the aftermath would work as an excuse for Grivas and the Greek division to leave the island, therefore limiting Greece's influence
@@pepefrog4066 After years of UA-cam comments I have concluded that in the long-running Greeks vs Turks feud I want both sides to lose. Turks deny the legitimacy of any other ethnicity within or adjacent to Turkey. Greeks are obsessed with recapturing their past glories of long, long ago that will never come again.
By and large, the vast majority of Cypriots just want to go about their lives peacefully. The vast majority of Greek speaking Cypriot refugees merely want to return to their ancestral properties and land. Please don't confuse a few jingoistic Turks who frequent social media to spread their lies and pollute the world with their ultra-nationalism with the plight of the refugees who only want to return to their homes.
Some things you should have mention: Greeks were 84% of the population British manned militia units with Turkish-Cypriots against the greek resistanse After the 1955 Istanbul pogrom the tensions between the two communities rised Rauf Denkhtas admitted Turkey's provokations with its MIT to sparke tensions. What caused the turkish invasion?The same reason Britain still has colonies on the island,strategic location and near Turkey.
The Turkish airforce didn’t only bomb national guard positions during the battle of kokkina. They also bombed Greek villages with napalm bombs killing many Greek Cypriot civilians
@@yourmomslover2288yeah those greeks love to pull made up lies from their asses so they feel better about themselves what the greek terrorists did in cyprus.
The British have a lot to answer for on the subject of Cyprus . Their aim was from the start has always been divide and rule which has worked out for them even to this day given the two British bases on the island .
I didn't get quite get your cryptic reply but as an example look at Hong Kong and Macau , sorry this might be too intelligent for you , let's keep it simple . Before the troubles started in Cyprus there was peace and stability throughout the island . As soon as the Greek Cypriots began touting for independence British skullduggery went into action as its done in most colonial territories . I am British and have been living in Cyprus since 2006 and stand by my original comment as its very close to the truth .
@@roddychristodoulou9111 Greek agitators whose fascistic rhetoric set off the intercommunal violence are to blame. The only major fault of the British that I see was to be there in the first place.
What would you have them do? If they allowed Cyprus to merge with Greece then that risked the security of the Turkish community there and could result in a military response from Turkey. If they partitioned the island then things would get messy as there was no way to partition the island without moving people which could potentially result in a military response from Greece. The solution the british came to do was the best of a bad bunch since it would keep the island united (except the military bases) and would keep both turkey and Greece from falling out over it. If you have a better solution then spill it because you can blame the british all you want but at the end of the day, was there any other option?
@@roddychristodoulou9111 Yes, and to this day it's British "skullduggery" that just *forces* the Greek Cypriots to have big banners showing the faces of people killed in race riots fifty years ago along the border. Nothing to do with domestic nurturing of ancient historical grudges or anything, it's all the fault of the British and their dastardly divide and rule...
PLEASE , Search about.. " Rauf Denktash shocking confession "..! & " Dervis Ali Kavazoglu kendi sesinden "..! With ,those two Turkish Cypriots , we can see the dirty games been played against our country..!
Generations of violence kicked off by people who cannot remember that all mankind is more similar than we are different. Both egged on by nations who cannot forget the feuds of 400 years ago.
@@shingosshojiopoulos6608 Honestly I place a lot of that blame on the Greeks more than anything, unable to give up some glorious imperial past that is irrelevant in the modern day. It's Istanbul not Constantinople and that's nobody's business but the Turks.
@@samwill7259 except greece doesn't want any Turkish land after the giant failure that was the 2nd Greco-Turkish war. On the other hand, turkey has started 2 big crisis that almost lead to war in 1987 and 1996, threatens greece with war and bombing Athens and still denies Cyprus' and Greece's EEZ rights
@@shingosshojiopoulos6608 This is true, they also prop up the sham that is "Northern Cyprus" against the wishes of not only the international community but also the Cypriots themselves who have, over the generations, grown tired of Turkish and UN interference and would prefer to just be reunited as one nation. Both sides are deeply to blame and unfortunatley the Cypriots of both ethnicities are caught in the middle
@@samwill7259 Were those mere imperialistic dreams or is it the case that Constantinople was the centre of their culture and religion -things that mattered to people of that time- for some 1700 years of their history. How would the Italians feel if Rome was controlled by Tunis. These arguments cannot pass in the modern day and age, but it's not as if we can dismiss their impact on people of that age. I understand the line of argument you present yet I must also admit that if people of that age were to follow it, the borders of Greece would still be at the Peloponnese and their luck would be the same as that of the Armenians.
Very disappointing to see how Rauf Denktaş is without a doubt accused of ordering to murder Ayhan Hikmet and Ahmet Gürkan without sufficient proof. At least you could mention there hasn’t been a proof linking him to these murders or he denied the allegetions. As far as I know there isn’t a single court decision of such connection
Agreed, there is no proof that Denktaş was directly involved. It was most likely ordered by senior TMT members. TMT and its precursors actively targeted Turkish Cypriot leftists
David, yours is the most idiosyncratic pronunciation of "UNFICYP" I have ever heard. Having served in it, we always said it as "UNficyp": that first syllable is stressed and rhymes with "fun," the second is sounded as the "fi" in "fit," and the last is a homonym of "sip."
I have always pronounced it that way, and have never had anybody say anything...not that I have said it often, mind you, but thank you for the guide. When were you there?
@@TheColdWarTV, I was there from September 1979 to April '80 as a troop commander in U Battery, RCHA, under command of Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians), and again in February '93 during the handover from 1 RCHA to 2 RCHA, as a "visiting fireman" from UNTSO Beirut.
You've done well with those names. The only one you slightly stuffed was Papandreou - Pa - Pan - Drey - Oo. (I vaguely remember the news reports of the time so the names stuck. ) That, and the bit at the end of the Monty Python skit. ua-cam.com/video/WzAB0P5KFyY/v-deo.html
One thing i was surprised about this conflict was how there is deliberate propaganda to divide them when they're same people. Turkish Cypriot are Cypriot too they are turkified now. Whenever I see Hungarian, tartar,babur videos i always see proud turks talking about how former were turks while also appropriating other ethnicity like Cypriots here
That solution was in place already and it was doomed to fail as the british do not want to be responsible for cyprus and a new power struggle will break out between greece and turkey.
I was serving there and learnt everything. First of all, there is no discussion about the land being Hellenic, like the rest of what we call today "turkey". Second, the guy that is prime minister of Hellas today, was in turkey with his family during junta. The rest you can think it alone.
@@ApaleutosMits Both Turks and Kurds are Muslims, so they have no problem living together in a single Republic. Many Kurds were the founding fathers of modern Turkish republic like Ismet Inonu. Greeks (especially Golden Dawn types) are oppressive genocidal maniacs who literally calls for the open massacre of Turks living in Cyprus. The Cyprus dispute is a civilisational dispute between the great civilisation (Turkey) and the degenerate oppressors (West). That's why partition of the island into two is the only solution for peace.
@yourmomslover2288 Same their can never be a Turkish Cyprus if the Turkish Cypriots who want to be Turks can go to Turkey otherwise it can stay as is. Cyprus is for Cypriots not Greeks Turks British or Americans
Turkish imperialism caused the Cyprus War, as was expressed on Nihat Erim's two reports to PM Menderes in 1956, and _Özel Harp Dairesi_ ("Special Warfare Department", the Turkish branch of "Operation Gladio") _"Plan to retake Cyprus"_
@@firasajoury7813 Because Erdogan has an antagonizing relation with NATO, concerning S-400, intervention to Syria, no sanctions against Russia, and claiming Greek islands
@@VladTevez well tbh I don’t see nato abandoning turkey it’s one of the most important and strategic nations in nato better than most nato nations too so Greece is in a unfavorable situation either war erdogan is a scum and a liar I know but he is not a dummy he always plays both sides and it works turkey is only getting stronger regardless of their inflation and economic woes they’re defense industry is heavily developing to become a top ten defense exporter nation which is dangerous but more so if they can actually secure their energy sector idk if it’s propaganda or possible but alongside food security will heavily strengthen turkey which is bad for Greece so you Greeks better get your heads out of your ass and do something about it
@@firasajoury7813 There are not friendship between states, but interests. NATO is increasing the importance and facilities of Alexandroupolis port, to balance the importance of Turkey and the Straits. As for Greeks, as long as they are viewing statements of TR government challenging Greek sovereign territory, as long as they are seeing TR violating UN resolutions concerning Cyprus, as long as they see the TR-Liby Maritime agreement, challenging UNCLOS, and as long as they utilizing migrants, they will stand firm
@@VladTevez well bro I’m sorry but that’s not enough to replace Turkish straits and turkey has the Second largest army in nato and one of the most powerful in the world de facto strongest in the middle east and controls the Black Sea underbelly only nation to deter russia in the Black Sea only nation with enough influence in Middle East and caucuses against Russia and Iran one of the strongest defense industry one of the most important nations in trade as transit of energy too large population and man power soon might even become energy dependent which might be hell for us in Middle East seeing how neo ottoman they can be and can play its own proxy warfare in different nations if Turkish defense industry and energy security is secured then game over I think for you guys and the Armenians the Kurds Iran even us Arabs might be in trouble and I just don’t see a Greek counter to this besides sorry for being a bit rude begging other nations to help some of them weak unreliable like Egypt with its own internal issues weak corrupt economy government and army has its own problems like the Ethiopian water issue and Sinai rebellion and Libya then there is Israel who is strong but sneaky and rest are your nato Allies like France who only use you to become over dependent on their weapons and the rest of eu is a joke tbh
Well.. The Greek Cypriots , as a majority of the islands population , they started , on 1955-59 , an anti colonialism struggle , against the British aiming for the Union of the island with Greece .! The ENOSIS game ..! Greeks ,we are living here since the end of Trojan war ..! about 2.500 years before Jesus ! about that time , Britten had other plans for the island..! They involved Turkey , and through the Turkish Cypriot minority on the island , they played a deferent game for the islands future ..! The TAKSIM / DIVIDED game ..! for proofs , please search about.. " Rauf Denktash shocking confession "..!
So , We had the nation of Turkey, playing dirty games against my country Cyprus ,through our compatriot's Turkish Cypriots. A minority of 18% , whom , they"been found with rights , ( over rights actually )..with the establishment of our common state. The Republic of Cyprus , at early 60s , ! YET , They blew them up , following instructions from Turkey..! They actually took the arms against their own state..! From 1963-67 ,we had arm troubles from our compatriot's Turkish Cypriots..! They was trying to show, that our two communities couldn't live peaceful together ..! for proofs please search about.. " Dervis Ali Kavazoglu kendi sesinden "..!
So , So , since Turkey, through the Turkish Cypriots ,never manage to do and much about ..after all those arm troubles , giving only Miserly to their population , We had Greece , (that time was a military junta )..playing its dirty games against Cyprus..! Greece , from 1971-74 , playing with the Greek Cypriots dreams , about ENOSIS , manage to find idiots./ Criminals ..and through them to start a second round of arm troubles against our loyal government of that time .! Finally , on the 15 of July 1974 , after a coup against our loyal government , through those local fanatics and the Cyprus National guard , ( the local arm force , was controlled as about 85% from officers from the Greece army ) ..! GREECE , give the legal chance to Turkey , as a quarantor powers of the islands independence ( Greece ,Turkey ,England , was and the three of them quarantor powers of the Cyprus independence ).. to finally put a step on the island ,exactly 5 days later ..
Guys please if you are going to cover the events do it so in depth. The reason the police opened fire on the car was because it was transferring guns within the Turkish Cypriot community.
It's a sad day when David has run out of inventive ways for us to press the bell button.
Don't worry, they'll be back by the next episode! Just sometimes, we have to give that poor poor bell button a break. It's been through a lot.
This has been my favorite current series you guys are doing. The joy is in the details that are presented in the videos, details I've never heard or considered. Much appreciated!
The pauses just before reading the surnames in the video are just *chef kiss*
Those were the takes that at least came close...you should hear the outtakes
@@TheColdWarTV #ReleaseTheBlooperCut
Great video and very informative for a cypriot such as myself who was born in the 80s. The focus at school during history class was more on the aftermath of the 1974 events and not on what took place during the 60s. So hearing about the struggles of both sides searching for an identity is important to paint a more compete picture of the events that lead up to the division of the island.
The best channel for making a complicated period understandable for people like me, keep up the good work!
Great video as always. Had the most fun watching David trying to pronounce impossible Greek names! Nice try though! Keep up the good work people! Your videos are great and I always eagerly expect them.
Particularly you did a very good job of presenting a very complicated issue. Here in Greece, even now, when we want to say that something is complicated we say that it's like "the Cyprus issue", or conversely, if we want to say that it is not really that complicated, we say "well, is not like the Cyprus issue"...
And The one Finnish name 😄
Grab your Haloumi and buckle up! Brilliant series on Cyprus and the cold war. Excellent channel for explaining events of the cold war in my classroom! Love it!
Nice! A - sadly - often overlooked aspect of recent history ... and current international politics.
Excelent series, I never knew many of these events.
Tourkoantarsia can be better be translated as " Turkish mutiny"
But yes in general your point is correct
"Every Cypriot event is followed by food"
Fair. Both Greeks and Turks are renowned for their food, and their love of it. They're both canonical treatbois
As a mainland Turkish national i approve. Even though our 'flavors' are different, both us and Greeks take our munchies very seriously.
@@OttomanDrifter91 as a mainland greek national i propose a feast while we wait for the usual commentary war.
@@Panos-xo9rc I have just got off of dinner. Had mercimek soup, rice with chicken on the side of pan-fried culture mushrooms (if it sounds weird that's because family recipe), also lettuce-onion salad topped with canned tuna fish. We also had chicken mantı but fish-mushroom-rice trio got me down bad. At this hour you guys should have had dinner too already, i wish you a rich dinner as well.
@@OttomanDrifter91 Lol,i just had two boiled eggs and some bread,cheese and a sliced tomato,a pitiful end for a long day....but its OK, tommorow there is pork (our edge over turkish cuisine if you ask me) stew with green onions and other vegies in an egg and lemon sauce,a refined dish and one of my faves while it is warm and fresh. Cheers.
@@Panos-xo9rc Aww, yep that's a light dinner, i do that when i am too tired to prepare anything lol. Can infinitely improve with some cold-processed olive oil
Wow great job with all the toung-twister names! Very informative!
"..remember to put friendly elements around the bell button keeping it isolated from your enemies"?
its funny seeing old footage of cyprus from the 60s and 70s because it looks almost exactly the same today as it did back then. i recognize quite a few places from the shots of nicosia that you used.
The bell button is to be situated in an independent enclave, and only then can it be pressed
We, the Association for the Liberation of Bell Button, demand that buttons everywhere be allowed freedom to travel!
Also that the Bell Button Liberation Coalition
*Spits on ground*
be universally condemned as a terrorist organization who are only using Button based issues as a means of criminal self enrichment.
In this video about Cyprus, one of Makarios proposals for constitutional reform is ‘for the vicepresident to deputise for the president in case of his temporary absence of incapacity’. What else could be the purpose of having a vicepresident?
In the Cypriot constitution, the Vice President had far more powers than of a typical Vice Precident you may have in mind, for example the US Vice President
My uncle served in the UN forces that were deployed in Cyprus during the 60's. Really enjoy the history about why Cyprus was so internally divided.
Can you provide more details about you uncle's experience?
@@PGproductionsHD Ireland provided infantry to the UN mission in the 1960's. My Uncle was a Commandant (Major) in the Irish Army and he served there on 2 occasions in the late 60's. The Irish forces were tasked to serve between Turks and Greek Cypriots and he was near Famagusta as far as I recall my father saying at the time. The UN forces or blue helmets were not a peace enforcing mission rather where each side agreed the force would effectively police the tension between each community. The mission served there until 1979 even after the invasion when it switched to Southern Lebanon.
@@joeryan1153 Thanks for your insight
Hey David,
The image being used at 15:25 was actually a Greek Cypriot battle victory over a Turkish controlled area, despite of the flag shown, which the Greeks supposedly left it there to indicate victory.
In cypriot scholls for 12 years history book after history book not even half of what you said is been brought up and if is been ,is in the smallest amounts i love the natural side of yours as a Cypriot i cant never see things as you can but thank you for your work am gonna study your video even send it to some people of that era that fought in 74 not matter the side of history you get is one of the sadest periods of cyprus.
Greeks always poked the bear in the eye. The idea of recreating the Eastern Roman Empire is far fetched as the idea of the “Megali Idea”. A wise man knows his limitation.
Yep. This is exactly how I remember these events in the news. Convoluted, idiotic violence, never ending and to no point anyone else in the world cared about. I didn't make it halfway through the video -- but that's not your fault.
That sums up probably 90% of the cold war conflicts. A and B both occupy an area of land. A and B have people in charge that, if left alone, could work out most of their disagreements. But A and B each also have radicals that will do anything to keep the other from having the slightest access to power, including killing their own people who are trying to make peace. Add outside influences from Washington, Moscow and elsewhere and things escalate. Throw in some religious animosity just for fun too.
Pretty much most of post war and post colonial Africa, Asia, and Middle East.
Like the current Kosovo-Serbia situation.
@@christopherconard2831 At least the Communist vs Capitolists conflicts were a difference in ideas.
These enthic conflicts are pretty meaningless.
Least the British got to keep those strategically valuable military base/ports. The Englishman’s vocabulary knows no defeat apparently.
I think they wanted to get rid of them soemtime before the war started due to money problems but I could be wrong.
@@pecadodeorgullo5963 Yes. You are wrong.
@@elbmw explain how I am wrong or provide a source.
@@pecadodeorgullo5963 The fact that they still have them should be adequate proof. However, during the Thatcher premiership, the then President of Cyprus Spiros Kyprianou broached the subject of the return of the bases to the RoC and Mrs Thatcher allegedly responded with "The bases are as British as Devon and Cornwall". Does that sound like the UK wants to give them back?
Anything else said about the bases is purely to obfuscate the issue.
@@elbmw from what I remember reading a while ago, before the Cyprus crisis began the uk was considering returning the bases due to financial issues but the usa objected and agreed to fund the bases in return for the usa being able to use them. This was before the Thatcher era so what you wrote old be right as well.
its interesting to hear how Turkish communists fled to the UK - one irony of history is that the UK, the birthplace of modern industrial capitalism and one of the leading NATO powers, has also been the asylum of last resort for many left-wing political figures going back to Marx himself
The extend of the knowledge you present here is incredible. This information is not well known by most Cypriots. You have all my "wow" moments in here when I try to convince people of my own opinions
I guess I shouldn’t be, but it amazes me that the two sides eventually dug in their heels and decided fighting a war was preferable to negotiations.
Excellent video 📹
Good knowledge 👌
When you go on your holiday, don't get into a conversation, don't take sides.
Enjoy your holiday.
Am I the only one in the world who just uses the subscriptions page (and thus never needs the bell button)?
Great Video. My father was a Turkish Police Sargent during 1958 fighting alongside British Army fighting Eoka Terrorists.
I was born in Girne Kyrenia. Left the Island 1961.
Cypriots can live side by side its the outsiders who have always caused troubles. Now they arming the Island on both side's. Population has nowhere to run and hide in a war. A war over Gas is a big worry.
You are incredibly misinformed and have been fed dangerous propaganda. Hopefully you can comprehend this sentence, I know you are not famous for your English skills.
Good video certain issues that were not mentioned
1. Greek and Turkish Cypriots were not neccessarily distinguished based on ethnicity. During the ottoman years the word turk meant somebody who was a muslim. So you can still find families who half are christian and half are muslim (turks). that is why on many occasions they cooperated
2. The Acheson plan was the best. however it is the first time that Grivas accepted it. In all the sources he did not accepted it
3. You do not mention that from 1964 up to 1972 both Papandreou and Papadopoulos tried to persuade Makarios to enter NATO
4. Makarios wanted to become a dictator of Cyprus. He was named the red priest since he had good relationship with USSR and his actions supported USSR.
5. Makarios organized in 1968 the Epikurikon (support) a corps that acted as his pretorian guard. They main job was attacking turks, greeks and pro enosis greek cypriots. They were also better armed than the national guard
6. in the national guard both greek and turkish cypriots could serve like it was happening in the police and the fire department. however the turkish cypriots boycotted their service. after the incidents they were banned from serving
7. You did not mention the meeting of 1968 in Kesan between Greece and Turkey concerning the Cypriot issue
8. The division you mentioned was actually a brigade size unit that was transported stealthily. The one who send it was Papandreou, but the one who organized the transport was Papadopoulos (who later became a dictator 1967-1973). It was called division just to show more strength. All the soldiers were tranported with civilian cloths and with fake greek cypriot IDs. They were heavily armed compared to the Greek Force in Cyprus (ELDYK). When they withdrew they left their heavy equipment behind for ELDYK
9. Kofinou was organized by Karamanlis who persuaded Grivas. the idea was to cause issue in Cyprus to overthrow the dictatorship in Greece. Since ELDYK took action (illegally) Makarios declared that "Greeks invaded Cyprus" which based on the Geneva treaty was illegal. That is why Menelaos left. Makarios did it on purpose in order to throw all the greeks serving in Cyprus in order to manipulate the system and become a dictator
10. you did not mention that Makrios from the begunning of Epikuriko commited attacks on Greek soldiers and on pro enosis, and he even murdered a number of them. His epikuriko was acting like Sturmabteilung
11. Makarios destroyied the national guard with diminishing its numbers, the purchase of destroyied and obsolete equipment from USSR etc
12. In the Geneva talks Karamanlis invited Turkey eventought until then Turkey did not have any part on the island
13. You did not mention that also in 1968 Turkey was ready to invade Cyprus and it was stopped while the ships were ready to leave Antalya and Adana
14. You need also to talk more about Georkatzis role in the turmoil between Cyprus-Greece and Greek-Turkish Cypriots. Finally he was executed from Greeks in order to stop an eminent war with Turkey
15. Both Greece and Turkey wanted Makarios out of the way due to his actions.
Other than that very good video (despite killing the Greek names)
I get the feeling Cyprus should've been partitioned from the start. Nice video.
That didn't work well in other British possessions like Palestine, Ireland, India, Malaya/Singapore, etc., although it was a success with USA / Canada... except in 1812.
If you look at the map on 1:56 which shows the ethnic distribution that existed before the Turkish invasion in 1974 you can see that its a hodge-podge with no clearly Greek or Turkish areas. Partition would have been impossible, akin to trying to descramble an omelette back into the eggs.
that was the plan but the zurich negotiation changed it
Cyprus would be a faction republic or even part of Greece if it wasn't the British who wanted to satisfy the Turkey's apetite and created this disfuctional state 30/70,40/60,veto from the turkish-cypriots etc when the video fails to inform us that the Greeks were 84% and Turkish-Cypriots 14%,a referendum could be held like the one organised by the Church in 1950 and have the Cypriots to deside for themselves.
@@ApaleutosMitswe were a much bigger minority. That measly 14% is after you guys decided to kick the Turks out and kill the ones who decided to stay.
Great vid!
Typical 'Divide and Conquer' British policy of the era (like India-Pakistan, Middle East etc). If Cyprus would have join either Greece or Turkey, the bases would been taken by US. Beneficial for both Greece and Turkey too, as both are still using it to expand their territorial claims to East Mediterranean . As usually, the locals pay the price...
Very detailed video, thank you! Not mentioned in the video, but truly remarkable is that Makarios is the record holder of failed assassination attempts!
20:54 1. Kofinou TMT were indeed blocking Nicosia-Limassol road 2. The attack against Kofinou was a joint decision of Makarios and Grivas. 3. The Greek Junta, under Turkish threats and US urge, removed Grivas from Cyprus, not Makarios. 4. The Greek division was not "secret", therefore was not "discovered", either by the Greek Cypriots nor by Turkey.
And I should add; the coup wasn't exactly NATO backed (the King's own may have been, but the Colonels acted alone with the aid of the "GLADIO" plan)
@@alexhousakos Well, it depends what you mean by NATO; was it the NATO organisation as a whole or a few members within it? By all accounts the Junta was a CIA sponsored operation and certainly "GLADIO" was (at the time) a secret NATO plan so one cannot say it wasn't exactly NATO but then state it was with the aid of GLADIO that was a NATO operation. In any case the colonels did not act alone. Expanding a little more on that subject, one cannot ignore the impression that the installment of a Junta in Greece was to prepare the ground and perform a coup in Cyprus so as to provide the necessary pretext for a Turkish invasion. You could say that once that was achieved, the Juntas job had been done and was therefore no longer necessary, which is why it was toppled shortly after the invasion of Cyprus.
@@elbmw The GLADIO Plans were known to the chain of command of all NATO countries as are all plans made by the NATO HQ.
The Colonels had access and authority to execute that plan. As did the King and the Generals. But the King was slow to do so. But only the King’s men had NATO authorization to carry a coup. The Colonels acted on their own accord.
@@alexhousakos If you recall, the Junta had changed several leaders between 67 to 74 and as Patakos has stated publicly, it was because they couldn't find a suitable colonel that was stupid enough to perform the coup in Cyprus until Ioannides became leader.
@@elbmw Again forgetting that Papadopoulos wanted to liberalize the regime and illegally proclaimed a "Republic" in 1973. The former and the Polytechnic Event were the causes of Ioannides's Junta.
Greetings, i am a Cypriot and i am i liked your short video documentary. I am writing something on the cyprus problem, but answering it with the Bible since i am a Christian. But i want to get the historical facts right and i was wondering if you could help me? Do you have a transcript of what you said on the video? Do you have a website? Where did you do your studies i am interested to know? Hope to hear from you soon. Kind regards
Ninos Hadjirousou
I've known about the division of Cyprus for a while, but not much detail on the issue. Thank you for this video. I would enjoy seeing more videos on Cyprus in the future!
God be with you out there everybody! ✝️ :)
Wow this was a really convoluted conflict I always wanted to study it.
Cypriot Greek has often been referred to as a dialect of Greek (Contossopoulos, 2000); a variety that is linguistically proximal to Standard Modern Greek (Grohmann and Kambanaros, 2016 Grohmann et al. 2016), which is the official language in the environment our participants acquire language. Although the official language in education and other formal settings is indeed Standard Modern Greek, research has shown the boundaries between the two varieties, Standard Modern Greek and Cypriot Greek, and their distribution across different registers is not straightforward (Grohmann and Leivada, 2012, Tsiplakou et al. 2016). At times mixing is attested without code-switching being in place, while no official characterization has been provided for any of these terms in this specific context. The question arising in this context is whether the attested variants emerging in mixed speech repertoires are functionally equivalent for an individual speaker.
The concept of "competing grammars goes back to Krich 11989, 1991), who proposed that speakers project multiple grammars to deal with ambiguous input This concept has been explicitly connected to the relation between Standard and Cypriot Greek (Papadopo et al. 2014; plaka 2014; Grohman et al 2017)
The two varieties have differences in all levels of linguistic analysis and often monolingual speakers of Standard Modern Greek judge Cypriot Greek as unintelligible. At the same time, Greek Cypriot speakers do not always provide reliable judgments of their own speech since these are often clouded by sociolinguistic attitudes toward using the non-standard variety. Cypriot Greek lacks official codification and its status as a different language/variety is often denied by Greek Cypriots who may downplay the differences between Standard Modern Greek and Cypriot Greek and describe the latter as just an accent (Arvaniti, 2010). As the discussion of the different variants will make clear in the next section, the two varieties have differences across levels of linguistic analysis and these differences vastly exceed the sphere of phonetics or phonology.
All speakers of Cypriot Greek have exposure to Standard Modern Greek through education and other mediums and in this way, they are competent to different degrees in both varieties. We employ the term 'bilectal' (Rowe and Grohmann, 2013, 2014) to refer to the participants of this study, although it is not entirely clear that the varieties they are exposed to are Standard Modern Greek and Cypriot Greek or that they are only two varieties, under the assumption that a continuum is in place. For instance, the term 'Cypriot Standard Greek' (Arvaniti, 2010) has been proposed to refer to an emerging variety that may count as the standard in the context of Cyprus. This would be a sociolinguistically 'high' variety (Ferguson, 1959) that is used in formal settings, although its degree of proximity with Standard Modern Greek is difficult to determine with precision because great fluidity is attested across different settings and geographical areas. At the school environment, for example, one notices the existence of three different varieties: Cypriot Greek, as the home variety that is used when students interact with each other, Standard Modern Greek, as the language of the teaching material, and another standard-like variety that incorporates elements from both varieties, and is present in the repertoire of both the students and the instructors (Sophocleous and Wilks. 2010; Hadjioannou et al., 2011; Leivada et al.. 2017).
There is no single Greek Cypriot dialect, travelling within the island I had no difficulty hearing a difference despite not knowing the language. I have heard the local dialect described by mainland Greeks described as sounding 'silly,' which made me think it an equivalent of Blackcountry dialect in England.
@@mrmr446 the Greek language has many local dialects.
In general the Cypriot variation is very close to the Creten one on aspect of vocabulary, slang and pronunciation but different in accent
Also the Cypriot sound like they speak faster than the mainland Greeks
A natively speaking Greek can understand the various dialects if really paying attention since both standard Greek and in our case Cypriot Greek are based on variations of ancient ionian dialects
@@Pavlos_Charalambous You can understand the dialect by immersion since both Modern and Cypriot Greek are based on Medieval Greek. Linguistically, t could be considered a different language but it isn't for political reasons. I personally see it as Hellenic language and the last truly alive descendant of Medieval Greek apart from Modern Greek
Edit: The closest Greek Dialect would be Dodecanese Greek
@@mrmr446 There is a single dialect, but varying accents. People might sound different in terms of how they speak but they use Cypriot grammar and syntax which mostly the same across the island.
@@photis666 it makes sense since Dodecanese, Creten and Cypriot Greeks have more or less the same place of origin
I would say - besides some Turkish vocabulary the pontic Greek is even closer to " koine" / medieval Greek
Although more or less is a dead dialect with only some elements surviving in every day tongue of people in Northern Greece
The soldiers shown at 15:20 are actually greek cypriots after a capture of a turkish cypriot stonghold and showing the captured flag.
There are so many confusions like this relating to Cyprus.
I'm afraid that my bell button has been partitioned and thus, I only have access to about 5% of it.
No mention of the machinations of the CIA? Fascinating. Are we thinking about the same Cyprus in the same 1960s as Gladio., et. al.,? Liked and subscribed,
What isn't mentioned is that the Greek Cypriots are the 82% of the population and have been the native people of the island for over 3000 years, while the Turkish Cypriots are an 18% minority created during Ottoman rule just a few centuries ago (Cyprus was conquered by the Ottomans 2 centuries after they conquered the Balkans and most of mainland Greece). The problem for Greek Cypriots was that with the 1960 "agreements", which Greek Cypriots were blackmailed to accept, the 18% was equated with the 82%, with the Turkish Cypriots being given vetoes and shares which were disproportionally large (30% and 40% shares, when their population is 18%).
It is the injustice that Makarios wanted to change with his 13 points, so that the sharing became proportional.
In Ukraine there is an 18% Russian minority. I don't see anybody proposing that the Russians of Ukraine should have veto powers over everything in Ukraine, and that their 18% minority should be given 30% of public servant positions and 40% of the police and army. Obviously the Ukrainians would never accept such thing. So why were the native Cypriots expected to accept it?
14:25 Today I learned that the second president of Turkey, İsmet İnönü was actually Lynden Johnson xD
Nice 👍
Oh really good. Filling in my missing knowledge.
Even more context for why the Greeks and Turks lost. their. bloody. minds. was because both still remembered the atrocities and brutality of the Greeko-Turkish war of the 1920s.
"Agitators for peaceful coexistence."
Weirdest phrase I have ever heard on this channel.
18 % used to be Turkish Cypriots which we all agree to give them equal rights like every European Citizenship. The issue at the moment is that Turkish Cypriots are not controling anymore their part since Turkey took over. Therefore, the Cyprus issue will not be resolved.
I think the issue started when civilians started to attack each other, some forming groups with a "cleaning the others from the area" mindset, they can be called terrorists. Once the Cypriots gave the "human life is in danger" excuse to the other countries, Turkey just snatched the opportunity to invade, claiming it is for protecting the Turkish Cypriots' lives (seems to be true to some degree, now both sides are physically divided they cannot harm each other even if they want to lol). Both sides should've known how to live together peacefully from the very start.
I always found this situation stupid. If the majority of population in a territory want something, it should happen (in this case union with Greece) while the minority should receive privileges and guarantees for their rights. Especially when the minority (Turish Cypriots) are dispersed and only majority in enclaves.
Self-determination is one of the most hypocritical and nonsensical concepts ever and is applied selectively more than anything in history.
Dr Fazıl Küçük. There is no -chuk in Turkish names. However, phonetically ç sounds like ch. You could look at a Turkish documentary for example, to hear how the name is pronounced.
Why is this video "age-restricted"?!
As soon as you started explaining the assigned ratios of ethnicities in government, I started shaking my head. We've started trying to do that here in California, even with corporations, with mandated ratios of select groups and it just doesn't work. I don't know what the best solution is, but that isn't it. I really wish people would work for the betterment of the collective good, and we could do away with artificial alliances and forced "peace," but then again, we are dealing with human beings, who seem to make things complicated and dangerous when they don't need to be. I get so frustrated listening to history of "leaders" that are all about power and fool themselves into thinking they are doing things for their people, only to cause the suffering and deaths of innocents, including those same people they claim to represent.
Wish it was so simple
According to records who appeared the last 20 years, Cyprus didn't join NATO because first of all NATO (USA) didn't want to take the troubles who were coming with such a development and secondly because Great Britain didn't want that also because it was going to lose the monopoly of the services provided to NATO through its bases. Therefore, without NATO as even a choice Makarios had to join the non-aligment in order to have some allies in the UN. In addition, western countries were not selling arms to the Republic of Cyprus (after 1963 Greek Cypriot controlled) while Turkey was arming the Turkish Cypriots, therefore Soviet Union and other Eastern European countries (Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia) were some of the few who could sell us (Greek Cypriots) weapons.
Very well saying..!
whats the music name from 10:05
you guys doing a amazing job. Also you are my fav channel when it comes to cold war. wish you happy new year and success in this year. wonderfully presented and well researched. I 'm waiting for great content like this. good luck. and I appreciate your dedication and hard work for these videos. the Cyprus crisis began because of the dispute between Turks and Greeks in Cyprus, and Turks invade Cyprus and British come to resolve that problem . I learned some details from your sister channel the kings and generals. also thanks for them for providing me that details. I studied this period and nowadays searching WW II and the cold war. Also I read some books about this period. Again thank you for providing information about one of most turbulent and most dangerous period. Because in that period we were all fear of another WW. This Cyprus crisis is still going dispute and there is a schism in Cyprus two states called northern dominated by Turks ( I can't remember definitely dominated by Turks) and south dominated by Greek.
The turks in North are Cypriot too aka Greeks. Just because their culture changed doesn't mean their ethnicity too
@@ShubhamMishrabro Greeks are Cypriots too. Just because their culture changed doesn't mean their ethnicity did.
@@zydrate5098 yes. But greek is used as main ethnicity that's why Cypriots are called greeks
@@ShubhamMishrabro They're called Greeks by Greeks. Anyone who has the slightest clue about the history of Cyprus knows the Greeks were a foreign culture that came to dominate the island over time, just as with Turks.
@@zydrate5098 i mean Cypriot are greeks too. And greeks are mentioned as main ethnicity just like germanic, chinese and indian. Seems like you don't like Cypriots getting called greeks
please do a 1971 Bangladesh liberation
war documentary.
Another forgotten part of the Cold War
What I may have missed is why these two communities have hated each other so much and for so long. Is it racism, ethnicity, language, religion, why? To an outside visitor like me, they are both Cypriots.
The other memory I have of my short visit to Cyprus is the immediate in-your-face reaction when locals realized I was a foreigner. "Whose side are you on? ..." was something I heard over and over again. This was generally followed by incredulous shock when I pointed out that the vast majority of people on Earth couldn't find Cyprus on a map let alone care about this endless in-fighting. I am sorry to sound harsh, but its the truth.
I look forward to watching this series. Maybe by the end of it I can finally understand what all this hate and blood is about.
"Is it racism, ethnicity, language, religion, why?" The entire world is not Canada or the United States; they don't just have a basketball game with the words "end racism" and that's that. Cyprus is in a part of the world that has changed hands for the past 3000 years minimum. Endless ethnic groups have moved in, claimed it, attacked their enemies etc. It is way too complex to label as one issue, but yes, the biggest one is ethnic conflict. Between the Greeks/European Cypriots and the Turkish/Asian Cypriots. They are both "Cypriots" in the sense that both lay claim to Cyprus and that that is a distinction on a passport. Beyond that, they view themselves as, and are, entirely different groups.
The Greek - Turkish rivalry is the longest in world history. 1000 years of wars have made them both quite suspicious against each other... It's the borders between Western and Eastern civilizations and religions, so friction never ends. (Btw, only a handful of Europeans will know in which coast Washington is, as it's of no Historical significance).
@@costamarks 😀LoL. Interesting point. (As to Washington, let me give you a hint. Its on the coast that faces Europe.)
There was a time where both Greek and turkish Cypriots did live together and they both where against the British, they all wanted independence until eoka and tmt where formed if it wasn't for theses two groups cyprus would have been united and with no British bases
@@dtice69 Prior to 1955, the 'Greek' and 'Turkish' communities lived side by side without any problems. Once the EOKA independence movement had began, Britain found a way to 'divide and rule' by assigning definitive ethnicities to the Cypriots. Following the fawx quasi-independence in 1960, it was all about keeping the bases for the UK and the division of Cyprus by Turkey has worked very well in that regard. Meaning...at the moment, the Cypriots are shouting "Turkish troops out of Cyprus". If the Turkish troops leave they will be shouting "British troops out of Cyprus". Or at least thats what I suspect the British fear.
Do stories on Thailand - pretty heavily involved during the Vietnam War
The piece is not entirely accurate as it implies the Makarios Government refused to join NATO. This is not the case. Before the events of 1974 Cyprus made a formal application but it was vetoed by Turkey.
Does anyone know where I can find the footage beginning around 20:55 ?
after all these events, the turks established their state on the island and
there is peace on the island for everyone involved.
I just set up a machine gun post to pepper the bell button
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Not sure that the music really works out that well. Too optimistic and not suspenseful enough.
So Greek egoism caused this 🤔
Smartest turk...
When will albania and enver hoxha be covered?
What happened to the Maronite Christians and the Latins in 1974? That was not clarified in the video?
First, the "Latins" weren't remnants of the Crusaders, but Italian missionaries and merchants of the late 19th century.
As for their situations today, most of them fled to the south, to the government-controlled territory, though there are a number of Maronites still in the Occupied Territory. As for the Armenians, I'm not sure if there are any remaining in the Occupied Territory, but there are still a number of sizable communities in the government-controlled territory. Also, there are a couple of Greek communities in the Occupied Territory, in Rizokarpaso. Also, there are still a couple of "mixed-villages" of Christians and Muslims in the government-controlled territory, particularly Pila, in the Larnaca District.
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Considering that the Greeks and Turks have been scrapping for a thousand years, it ain't gonna change anytime soon. Cheers from Tennessee
We just like to fuck with each other. You should see us when we drink together and the music starts.
Turks are not thousands of years old they ah e been in the Mediterranean for less than 500 years … Greeks have been in the region since the Bronze Age
@@davidscwimer1974 that is demonstrably false. Constantinople may of fallen over 500 years ago, however the Turks were on the Mediterranean since the 11th century. It's now the 21st century. Go do the math.
@@markquintonii a blink of an eye compared to the indigenous Greeks that have been in the Aegean since the beginning of time
@@davidscwimer1974 i feel bad for your they teached you a history of lies
Just want to make a few comments:
1. TMT was created by the Turkish Secret Services (MIT) to enact partition of Cyprus, even Denktash admitted that they were the ones giving orders. After independence they never stopped being active, as Turkey supplied arms to the Turkish Cypriots to continue their fight. And this is why the Greek Cypriots were always vigilant against them
2. Grivas was against action in Koffinou because he knew it would provoke a reaction by Turkey. It was Makarios and his cabinet who forced him. Some speculate that Makarios wanted to take the bait so the aftermath would work as an excuse for Grivas and the Greek division to leave the island, therefore limiting Greece's influence
Fake News
@@yourmomslover2288 Not an argument
greek Propaganda.
@@OsmanOsmanHan is the Deniz incident Greek propaganda too?
No bell button joke? 😥😥
Uh oh a Cyprus video. Comments will be full of Greek jingoists arguing with Turkish jingoists.
It is a very sensitive topic in my country, and rightfully so.
@@pepefrog4066 After years of UA-cam comments I have concluded that in the long-running Greeks vs Turks feud I want both sides to lose.
Turks deny the legitimacy of any other ethnicity within or adjacent to Turkey.
Greeks are obsessed with recapturing their past glories of long, long ago that will never come again.
By and large, the vast majority of Cypriots just want to go about their lives peacefully. The vast majority of Greek speaking Cypriot refugees merely want to return to their ancestral properties and land. Please don't confuse a few jingoistic Turks who frequent social media to spread their lies and pollute the world with their ultra-nationalism with the plight of the refugees who only want to return to their homes.
Yeah..!
That's will be interesting..!
Some things you should have mention:
Greeks were 84% of the population
British manned militia units with Turkish-Cypriots against the greek resistanse
After the 1955 Istanbul pogrom the tensions between the two communities rised
Rauf Denkhtas admitted Turkey's provokations with its MIT to sparke tensions.
What caused the turkish invasion?The same reason Britain still has colonies on the island,strategic location and near Turkey.
Lol. Turkish since 1574.
The Turkish airforce didn’t only bomb national guard positions during the battle of kokkina. They also bombed Greek villages with napalm bombs killing many Greek Cypriot civilians
Source: Greek news
@@yourmomslover2288yeah those greeks love to pull made up lies from their asses so they feel better about themselves what the greek terrorists did in cyprus.
Greek or Turkish?
Neither, I am Cypriot! ❤
The British have a lot to answer for on the subject of Cyprus .
Their aim was from the start has always been divide and rule which has worked out for them even to this day given the two British bases on the island .
How dare they FORCE Greeks and Turks to not get along! The presence of British time travellers at Manzikert shall not go unpunished!
I didn't get quite get your cryptic reply but as an example look at Hong Kong and Macau , sorry this might be too intelligent for you , let's keep it simple .
Before the troubles started in Cyprus there was peace and stability throughout the island .
As soon as the Greek Cypriots began touting for independence British skullduggery went into action as its done in most colonial territories .
I am British and have been living in Cyprus since 2006 and stand by my original comment as its very close to the truth .
@@roddychristodoulou9111 Greek agitators whose fascistic rhetoric set off the intercommunal violence are to blame. The only major fault of the British that I see was to be there in the first place.
What would you have them do? If they allowed Cyprus to merge with Greece then that risked the security of the Turkish community there and could result in a military response from Turkey. If they partitioned the island then things would get messy as there was no way to partition the island without moving people which could potentially result in a military response from Greece.
The solution the british came to do was the best of a bad bunch since it would keep the island united (except the military bases) and would keep both turkey and Greece from falling out over it. If you have a better solution then spill it because you can blame the british all you want but at the end of the day, was there any other option?
@@roddychristodoulou9111 Yes, and to this day it's British "skullduggery" that just *forces* the Greek Cypriots to have big banners showing the faces of people killed in race riots fifty years ago along the border. Nothing to do with domestic nurturing of ancient historical grudges or anything, it's all the fault of the British and their dastardly divide and rule...
Perhaps the British should have partitioned the island between the Cypriot Greeks and Turks?
You cannot partition the island when the Greeks represent 80% of the island’s population
@@Leoforos13 20% is still a significant minority and whenever a group exceeds 10% of the population you have to consider them when nation-building.
PLEASE ,
Search about..
" Rauf Denktash shocking confession "..!
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" Dervis Ali Kavazoglu kendi sesinden "..!
With ,those two Turkish Cypriots , we can see the dirty games been played against our country..!
Generations of violence kicked off by people who cannot remember that all mankind is more similar than we are different. Both egged on by nations who cannot forget the feuds of 400 years ago.
To be honest, the last was between Greece and Turkey was in 1922 and tensions are still somewhat high between the 2 countries
@@shingosshojiopoulos6608 Honestly I place a lot of that blame on the Greeks more than anything, unable to give up some glorious imperial past that is irrelevant in the modern day. It's Istanbul not Constantinople and that's nobody's business but the Turks.
@@samwill7259 except greece doesn't want any Turkish land after the giant failure that was the 2nd Greco-Turkish war. On the other hand, turkey has started 2 big crisis that almost lead to war in 1987 and 1996, threatens greece with war and bombing Athens and still denies Cyprus' and Greece's EEZ rights
@@shingosshojiopoulos6608 This is true, they also prop up the sham that is "Northern Cyprus" against the wishes of not only the international community but also the Cypriots themselves who have, over the generations, grown tired of Turkish and UN interference and would prefer to just be reunited as one nation. Both sides are deeply to blame and unfortunatley the Cypriots of both ethnicities are caught in the middle
@@samwill7259 Were those mere imperialistic dreams or is it the case that Constantinople was the centre of their culture and religion -things that mattered to people of that time- for some 1700 years of their history. How would the Italians feel if Rome was controlled by Tunis. These arguments cannot pass in the modern day and age, but it's not as if we can dismiss their impact on people of that age. I understand the line of argument you present yet I must also admit that if people of that age were to follow it, the borders of Greece would still be at the Peloponnese and their luck would be the same as that of the Armenians.
Well the comments on this one sure will be nice
FREE Cyprus
5:06 Makarios attempted to join NATO, but USA refused, fearing the influence of AKEL in the government
Communism is the root of all evil afterall
Very disappointing to see how Rauf Denktaş is without a doubt accused of ordering to murder Ayhan Hikmet and Ahmet Gürkan without sufficient proof. At least you could mention there hasn’t been a proof linking him to these murders or he denied the allegetions. As far as I know there isn’t a single court decision of such connection
Agreed, there is no proof that Denktaş was directly involved. It was most likely ordered by senior TMT members. TMT and its precursors actively targeted Turkish Cypriot leftists
he was given the tapes
David, yours is the most idiosyncratic pronunciation of "UNFICYP" I have ever heard. Having served in it, we always said it as "UNficyp": that first syllable is stressed and rhymes with "fun," the second is sounded as the "fi" in "fit," and the last is a homonym of "sip."
I have always pronounced it that way, and have never had anybody say anything...not that I have said it often, mind you, but thank you for the guide. When were you there?
@@TheColdWarTV, I was there from September 1979 to April '80 as a troop commander in U Battery, RCHA, under command of Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians), and again in February '93 during the handover from 1 RCHA to 2 RCHA, as a "visiting fireman" from UNTSO Beirut.
You've done well with those names. The only one you slightly stuffed was Papandreou - Pa - Pan - Drey - Oo. (I vaguely remember the news reports of the time so the names stuck. ) That, and the bit at the end of the Monty Python skit. ua-cam.com/video/WzAB0P5KFyY/v-deo.html
One thing i was surprised about this conflict was how there is deliberate propaganda to divide them when they're same people. Turkish Cypriot are Cypriot too they are turkified now. Whenever I see Hungarian, tartar,babur videos i always see proud turks talking about how former were turks while also appropriating other ethnicity like Cypriots here
Same people? You don't know the first thing about Cyprus.
as a greek i believe that cyprus must be returned to the british it would be better for both turkish and greeks ,british as well ,it's a win win
That solution was in place already and it was doomed to fail as the british do not want to be responsible for cyprus and a new power struggle will break out between greece and turkey.
A planned government works about as well as a planned economy.
Are you going to discuss the 1974 Turkish invasion and subsequent division of the island?
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Turkish happy
Ne mutlu türküm diyene
New Turks empires
I was serving there and learnt everything. First of all, there is no discussion about the land being Hellenic, like the rest of what we call today "turkey". Second, the guy that is prime minister of Hellas today, was in turkey with his family during junta. The rest you can think it alone.
We'd solve a lot of problems if we went back to pre 1071 borders
cope westoid
@@xxxxxx-rg6qr no caliphate?
Partition of the island is the only solution to the peace between both communities
Let's make a partition to Turkey first and let the 20 million Kurds have a state and peace.
@@ApaleutosMits they can but not in Turkey should try Iraq
and the Kurds know that well
War is the only way
@@ApaleutosMits Both Turks and Kurds are Muslims, so they have no problem living together in a single Republic. Many Kurds were the founding fathers of modern Turkish republic like Ismet Inonu. Greeks (especially Golden Dawn types) are oppressive genocidal maniacs who literally calls for the open massacre of Turks living in Cyprus. The Cyprus dispute is a civilisational dispute between the great civilisation (Turkey) and the degenerate oppressors (West). That's why partition of the island into two is the only solution for peace.
@yourmomslover2288 Same their can never be a Turkish Cyprus if the Turkish Cypriots who want to be Turks can go to Turkey otherwise it can stay as is. Cyprus is for Cypriots not Greeks Turks British or Americans
Full support to Turkish Cypriots🇹🇷
Lmao
Turkish imperialism caused the Cyprus War, as was expressed on Nihat Erim's two reports to PM Menderes in 1956, and _Özel Harp Dairesi_ ("Special Warfare Department", the Turkish branch of "Operation Gladio") _"Plan to retake Cyprus"_
Well gladio is nato creation why you Greeks still kiss nato ass ?
@@firasajoury7813 Because Erdogan has an antagonizing relation with NATO, concerning S-400, intervention to Syria, no sanctions against Russia, and claiming Greek islands
@@VladTevez well tbh I don’t see nato abandoning turkey it’s one of the most important and strategic nations in nato better than most nato nations too so Greece is in a unfavorable situation either war erdogan is a scum and a liar I know but he is not a dummy he always plays both sides and it works turkey is only getting stronger regardless of their inflation and economic woes they’re defense industry is heavily developing to become a top ten defense exporter nation which is dangerous but more so if they can actually secure their energy sector idk if it’s propaganda or possible but alongside food security will heavily strengthen turkey which is bad for Greece so you Greeks better get your heads out of your ass and do something about it
@@firasajoury7813 There are not friendship between states, but interests. NATO is increasing the importance and facilities of Alexandroupolis port, to balance the importance of Turkey and the Straits. As for Greeks, as long as they are viewing statements of TR government challenging Greek sovereign territory, as long as they are seeing TR violating UN resolutions concerning Cyprus, as long as they see the TR-Liby Maritime agreement, challenging UNCLOS, and as long as they utilizing migrants, they will stand firm
@@VladTevez well bro I’m sorry but that’s not enough to replace Turkish straits and turkey has the Second largest army in nato and one of the most powerful in the world de facto strongest in the middle east and controls the Black Sea underbelly only nation to deter russia in the Black Sea only nation with enough influence in Middle East and caucuses against Russia and Iran one of the strongest defense industry one of the most important nations in trade as transit of energy too large population and man power soon might even become energy dependent which might be hell for us in Middle East seeing how neo ottoman they can be and can play its own proxy warfare in different nations if Turkish defense industry and energy security is secured then game over I think for you guys and the Armenians the Kurds Iran even us Arabs might be in trouble and I just don’t see a Greek counter to this besides sorry for being a bit rude begging other nations to help some of them weak unreliable like Egypt with its own internal issues weak corrupt economy government and army has its own problems like the Ethiopian water issue and Sinai rebellion and Libya then there is Israel who is strong but sneaky and rest are your nato Allies like France who only use you to become over dependent on their weapons and the rest of eu is a joke tbh
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The Greek Cypriots , as a majority of the islands population , they started , on 1955-59 , an anti colonialism struggle , against the British aiming for the Union of the island with Greece .!
The ENOSIS game ..!
Greeks ,we are living here since the end of Trojan war ..!
about 2.500 years before Jesus !
about that time , Britten had other plans for the island..!
They involved Turkey , and through the Turkish Cypriot minority on the island , they played a deferent game for the islands future ..!
The TAKSIM / DIVIDED game ..!
for proofs , please search about..
" Rauf Denktash shocking confession "..!
So ,
We had the nation of Turkey, playing dirty games against my country Cyprus ,through our compatriot's Turkish Cypriots.
A minority of 18% , whom , they"been found with rights , ( over rights actually )..with the establishment of our common state.
The Republic of Cyprus , at early 60s , !
YET ,
They blew them up , following instructions from Turkey..!
They actually took the arms against their own state..!
From 1963-67 ,we had arm troubles from our compatriot's Turkish Cypriots..!
They was trying to show, that our two communities couldn't live peaceful together ..!
for proofs please search about..
" Dervis Ali Kavazoglu kendi sesinden "..!
So ,
So , since Turkey, through the Turkish Cypriots ,never manage to do and much about ..after all those arm troubles , giving only Miserly to their population ,
We had Greece , (that time was a military junta )..playing its dirty games against Cyprus..!
Greece , from 1971-74 , playing with the Greek Cypriots dreams , about ENOSIS , manage to find idiots./ Criminals ..and through them to start a second round of arm troubles against our loyal government of that time .!
Finally , on the 15 of July 1974 , after a coup against our loyal government , through those local fanatics and the Cyprus National guard , ( the local arm force , was controlled as about 85% from officers from the Greece army ) ..!
GREECE , give the legal chance to Turkey , as a quarantor powers of the islands independence ( Greece ,Turkey ,England , was and the three of them quarantor powers of the Cyprus independence )..
to finally put a step on the island ,exactly 5 days later ..
Guys please if you are going to cover the events do it so in depth. The reason the police opened fire on the car was because it was transferring guns within the Turkish Cypriot community.