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  • @peterxyz3541
    @peterxyz3541 8 років тому +161

    I can't express how much I appreciate the education you're providing me. Knowledge so good that I want to cry. Thanks for the wisdom!

    • @baba00eddy
      @baba00eddy 4 роки тому +3

      I feel you bro. This guy knows how to spit wisdom

  • @codermik
    @codermik Рік тому +3

    You are a gem, love the videos and the way you deliver these tutorials are perfect.

  • @jp_engineer
    @jp_engineer 4 роки тому +5

    16:52 - Panelization Start (Comment: oh!!! This is gold info, loved the advance one )
    34:11 - Panelization Fiducial
    36:50 - ENIG Finishing
    37:50 - Why getting boards out of panels ( individual routed board )
    39:45 - Getting things done in Altium ( or PCB project )
    42:33 - Solder Mask expansion
    44:33 - Gerber generation
    47:18 - Pick and Place

  • @Josearnaldomanuel2
    @Josearnaldomanuel2 5 років тому +2

    8 years in, still fucking relevant. Hats off to you sir, much respect. I have learned a lot from this.
    The world will benefit if it has more people like you.

  • @amirishere
    @amirishere 8 років тому +148

    Ha ha! You have taught me more than some 4 credit courses in an ECE department. Thank you.

    • @TheMWGriffin
      @TheMWGriffin 8 років тому +2

      +Amir Hossein Bakhtiary For real

    • @jp_engineer
      @jp_engineer 4 роки тому +4

      this comment was 4 years ago. How does it feel today? r u in the field?

  • @paulbridges7306
    @paulbridges7306 7 років тому +13

    Rather than paying for the Digi-Reels or Mini-Reels, just buy some extra parts on cut-tape to create a "leader" of sorts. One of my CM's recommends these additional amounts:
    "SMT components, not supplied on reels should be on one continuous strip of tape. Resistors, Capacitors, Diodes (0603, 0805, 1206, 2225, SOT, SOD, MELF - packages) require a minimum of 50 pcs and/or has to exceed the required quantity by 30 pcs. (Example: build req. 40 pcs - we will require 70 pcs - this meets our minimum required 50 pcs plus 30 pcs above build requirement) Resistors, Capacitors, Diodes (0201, 0402, minimelf, miniature packages) require a minimum of 100 pcs and/or has to exceed the required quantity by 50 pcs. (Example: build req. 80 - we will require 130 - this meets our minimum required 100 pcs plus 50 pcs above build requirement)"
    The other handy option is to buy your assembly "turnkey" (assy house buys the parts) rather than "consigned" (you supply the kit). They often can buy parts cheaper than I can, then I can ignore these matters.

  • @AbhishekAlate
    @AbhishekAlate 9 років тому +34

    Loved the negative feedback T-Shirt!

  • @camelCased
    @camelCased 9 років тому +17

    Thanks for providing this nice "peek" inside the manufacturing process, it was really informative and interesting for me as a programmer who happens to be somewhat interested in EE stuff.

  • @mywebnet
    @mywebnet 11 років тому +11

    Oh Boy, DAVE YOU ARE brilliant, and a great man! Big strong handshake, for a such nice personality, and for disclosure very useful information in such details, especially useful for novices and dummies! Love You channel! It's like treasure for me.

  • @supersilico
    @supersilico 8 років тому +20

    I didn't understand a word you said but I'm fairly confident this is what i was looking for.

  • @bgfelagund
    @bgfelagund 11 років тому +5

    Awww I love the Back to the Future Outatime car plate in the background!

  • @SquarishLink
    @SquarishLink 11 років тому

    You are the main reason why i still come here, i also find your forum very helpful!

  • @AmmarLegato
    @AmmarLegato 4 роки тому

    So much respect and admiration, because of your channel and excellent explanation, now im able to design PCBs for home automation and robotics.
    All my experience in the electronics comes from you and i owe you a ton !
    i used to watch your channel daily for 5+ hrs and i never forget a part that i need to rewatch !
    Thanks and best wishes always, hope we can pay you back one day as a humble gratitude.

  • @2sites
    @2sites 9 років тому

    this video has so many little tips that youd never think of until its too late, especially the first time around. like, making sure your copper doesnt touch the v-groove, because then it will be exposed when you break your boards apart.. great tips.. absolutely brilliant video.

  • @MrNateSPF
    @MrNateSPF 8 років тому +62

    I'm glad you're glad I asked.

    • @LazerLord10
      @LazerLord10 8 років тому +10

      I'm glad you're glad he's glad you asked.

    • @iwtommo
      @iwtommo 7 років тому +6

      Gladness overflow
      Seriously though, this video series is awesome. Thanks!

    • @mycosys
      @mycosys 5 років тому

      I feel Rob-ed

    • @brendethedev2858
      @brendethedev2858 4 роки тому

      I laughed too much at this

    • @AndreasDelleske
      @AndreasDelleske 3 роки тому

      I will always be more glad than everyone else in this thread.

  • @enginerdy
    @enginerdy 14 років тому

    Dave, you're going on about stuff that I use every day, yet no one ever mentioned in college. Nice work! This is the kind of stuff that nobody puts in a book.

  • @Flumphinator
    @Flumphinator 9 років тому +1

    This is an astounding amount of drafting. As a professional residential architectural drafter, I am humbled.

  • @CJWarlock
    @CJWarlock 11 років тому

    Thanks for the knowledge and experience put together in this tutorial. Normally it would take about 2 weeks of talking to the PCB manufacturer to collect all these informations and clues. Thanks for saving my time. :)

  • @philbx1
    @philbx1 14 років тому

    Wow! In geek terms that is way out there!
    Amazing how different things are when PCB design goes into the 'big boys' sandpit.
    Thanks again very much Dave for taking the time to do this, and the great insight into this very special area of design.

  • @RedHaloManiac95
    @RedHaloManiac95 5 років тому

    This is such an old DigiKey site holy crap! How far they’ve come is amazing

  • @gonzik2675
    @gonzik2675 13 років тому

    Awesome. Totally Awesome. As an engineering student, it's information like this that we never get in the classroom that I crave so much! Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge with us.

  • @vikyngo
    @vikyngo 11 років тому

    This is something that should be taught in many engineering degrees, that is normally thought as unimportant. Great video

  • @dantripp666
    @dantripp666 11 років тому

    Several of the other commenters have hit the nail on the head: this video (and your videos in general) are what make UA-cam actually worth using. I love cat videos as much as the next person but I especially love learning useful things from experts who share their knowledge and experience as effectively as you do!
    I don't think it's hyperbolic in the least to suggest that you're a great asset to humanity! Thank you very, very much! Inspiring, encouraging, helpful!

  • @thefasteddie88
    @thefasteddie88 11 років тому +1

    Great video, coming from a PCB manufacturing, I loved the points you touched on panelization, i.e. the overall size, breakaway methods, rigidity of panel and basically everything else. GREAT VIDEO!!! keep up the good work and thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience.

  • @zachreyhelmberger894
    @zachreyhelmberger894 3 роки тому +2

    Well I guess the 163 "thumbs down" folks must've obeyed his T-shirt, I guess... I can't imagine ANYONE down voting this. He is pouring his heart out on this teaching!

  • @hack2makelivesbetter
    @hack2makelivesbetter 12 років тому

    You have taught me so much and saved me from many headaches and mistakes. I can't thank you enough.

  • @NordicDan
    @NordicDan 11 років тому

    Glad I stumbled on this video. I'm designing a very compact piece for small scale production (don't anticipate selling more than 150 or so in all), got together a parts list for all SMT components, but have been waffling back and forth between making my own PCBs with a UV cabinet or just having them produced for me by a manufacturer. Sounds like having a manufacturer do it will be the more economical way to go.
    Great video BTW

  • @tabarin
    @tabarin 14 років тому

    Great! I thought this video was gold, I don't know where else anyone would go to find out this much useful information about the DFM process. cheers

  • @TookBurrow
    @TookBurrow 7 років тому +2

    I really appreciate you sharing industry standard & best practive type of information! It can seem daunting at time all the things that have to be taken into consideration. You layed out the information quite nicely!!!

  • @sheldonholy
    @sheldonholy 11 років тому

    Great video Dave. This has helped me no end with some of my college assignments.
    Downloaded both parts, I will suggest to our lecturer that he shows them during a lesson.
    By far the most helpful channel on youtube.

  • @BarriosGroupie
    @BarriosGroupie 14 років тому

    This is one of the best blogs you have ever done - so educational

  • @Mr.Laidukas
    @Mr.Laidukas 14 років тому

    Dave, great video. Many thanks from me. I am young electronics hardware engineer and always looking for techniques and principles how to design a proper PCB. Recently I discovered your PCB design tutorial, also great job. I wish you best luck.

  • @artistengineer5172
    @artistengineer5172 13 років тому

    Great work. This sort of knowledge is invaluable and you can normally only learn it by doing it amongst some good electrical engineer mentors.
    A great way to create your BOM spreadsheet is to use the information that you've already provided in your CAD software e.g. Altium.
    If you use database libraries you can link the datasheet, manufacturer and supplier information to the part in the schematic. So when it comes time to make the BOM, all the information comes straight from the schematic!

  • @Raxarax
    @Raxarax 12 років тому

    My university professors would be hard pressed to pump out a video as high quality and informational as this.

  • @dfwz33
    @dfwz33 13 років тому

    hey, just wanted to let you know, i use your videos all the time and i really appreciate your tutorials

  • @Dibblah1900
    @Dibblah1900 14 років тому

    Great guide! Another thing that can save cost on the raw board is minimizing drill changes, especially for smaller boards.

  • @billgates904
    @billgates904 10 років тому +4

    You don't need to automatically go to reels (or DigiReels). All you have to do is buy Cut Tape with 4-5" of extra length, the extra length becoming the leader. Done.
    Obviously for bypass caps and other parts, it makes sense to just buy a big reel, but otherwise I get tired of paying $7 for DigiReels.

    • @CuriousMaker609
      @CuriousMaker609 10 років тому +1

      I thought so. Would Digikey sell with 5-7" inch extra cut tape? I usually buy them in cut tapes but I always buy them extra assuming the assembler would lose some in peeling the tapes

  • @rcarsey
    @rcarsey 5 років тому

    it’s a challenge for newbs to even get 1 board designed and working perfectly.. this was a great video to help people get to the next stage easily. explained so much.

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  14 років тому

    @hitachi088 It's an official replica of the original plate used in the movie. Right down to the actual period stickers. You can get them on ebay.

  • @jedisonjow
    @jedisonjow 5 років тому

    Great video! Thanks!
    Typical tooling hole diameter: 4mm
    Typical routing width: 2.4mm
    Typical fiducial mark diameter: 1mm (both sides for top-bottom surface mounting)

  • @amenotepia
    @amenotepia 7 років тому

    This might have been the most useful and interesting video I've seen in youtube since its release.

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  12 років тому

    Many different PCB manufacturers for those boards. Most board houses can do anything you want. Colour, gold etc.

  • @OneBitStream
    @OneBitStream 14 років тому

    Awesome blog Dave! I'm preparing for my first surface mount commercial PCB design and this info could not have come at a better time. Thanks :)

  • @apexmike849
    @apexmike849 8 років тому +1

    Eurocircuits are amazing, they provide you with checks for many of these points when you submit your Gerber files - cheap too, if you use their pool service.

  • @gregfeneis609
    @gregfeneis609 5 років тому

    17:58 There's a big cycle time reduction when you panelize. Manufacturing machines take time to load a board in, recognize, get ready to do it's thing. Then the actual thing it does can be relatively brief. By panelizing small designs, the equipment spends more time doing its thing and less time getting ready to do it's thing, per PCB.

  • @droggwheel
    @droggwheel 14 років тому

    Allot of good advice was given which applies only to very large quantities. One will typically ramp-up from the prototyping stage to small-quantities first; Say 25 to 50 units. To address this market, assembly houses are offering services which loosen allot of the rules mentioned; For instance, they may not require you to panelize unless your board is very small; Say under 1" square, They may also be flexible about parts being on cut tape or loose.
    KUDOS DAVE JONES !

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  14 років тому

    @marios2liquid I use PCBcart also. Yes, there are always NRE tooling costs.

  • @glydrfreak
    @glydrfreak 6 років тому

    WOW! Thanks Dave! You've answered so many questions that I didn't even know I had! I knew I could find a video by you that would answer some of the specific questions I couldn't find elsewhere!

  • @AshenTiger
    @AshenTiger 7 років тому +1

    Thanks for this Dave - just managed to shave $5 off production using 0402 over 0603, and a VQFN-44 over a TQFP-44

  • @DMStern
    @DMStern 14 років тому

    Nice video!
    If I can make a request, something I've always wondered about is how to design a board so that it can be tested during manufacturing - what should be tested, how and where to place the test points etc.

  • @ExStaticBass
    @ExStaticBass 12 років тому

    I have to say I'm really impressed as to how informative this video was. I even found some points that I hadn't considered. I think we need more oxygen breathers like you mate. The world would be a much better place. Please note that I've +1'd this on Google, shared it on Facebook and favorited it to my UA-cam channel in hopes that it will reach a wider audience.

  • @saikarotekkara8972
    @saikarotekkara8972 11 років тому +1

    I work for a Circuit Board Company and panels with pre-drilling and secondary drilling for open hole circuit boards are better because the plating allows for the boards to be fully conductive were as surface plating could go wrong. Also the way we manufacture boards is way different then the way your showing.

  • @ItalianRetroGuy
    @ItalianRetroGuy 3 роки тому +1

    Just made my first panel mate thank you

  • @justlivemyway
    @justlivemyway 12 років тому

    @EEVblog ,
    I do not know how to Thank you for the valuable videos that you make.You are precious.
    Thanks :)

  • @michelfeinstein
    @michelfeinstein 12 років тому

    Thanks Dave!
    I am using OSHPark right now for manufacturing, their service is very good for most projects...

  • @BigDaddySeany
    @BigDaddySeany 12 років тому

    As a wannabe engineer, or engineer tech in any case, these vids are great, even if I don't understand everything.

  • @pepperjack8
    @pepperjack8 12 років тому

    @EEVblog Can you please show how to design PCB using Altium from start to finish. Simple 4 layer PCB with surface mount and through hole and it has square or elliptical cut.
    You are great teacher and very experienced

  • @phobik2000
    @phobik2000 8 років тому +7

    So, you need to shop for your design parts and then ship them to the pcb maker for assembly? what are these services called/how to find them?

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  13 років тому

    @Psychlist1972 Some are underwater sonar stuff, some military, some custom test gear, a whole mix.

  • @LovemeAquarius
    @LovemeAquarius 11 років тому

    Very useful video.....cant get these information even if I read a whole library :)
    Thank you very much for the huge effort to sharing your knowledge and life experiences with others around the world.

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  14 років тому

    @DanFrederiksen Afraid not. They are just a bare board PCB manufacturer.

  • @OverlandOne
    @OverlandOne 11 років тому

    I really enjoy your videos and have learned a lot from them. This video is no exception. I have designed a board and am looking at making 100 of them to start so this info was perfect for me. Thank you so much.
    Bill

  • @artistengineer5172
    @artistengineer5172 13 років тому

    @ArtistEngineer e.g. you have an individual part for a "10K resistor 1% 0805" "1K resistor 1% 0805". So your BOM is EXACT and automatic. It takes a bit of setting up in the library but once you've got it done then you save LOADS of time doing your part ordering.
    Anyway, this is a simplified example and you probably already do this.

  • @scancool
    @scancool 14 років тому

    this video so good, I don't think anyone would ever give a thumps down

  • @speedyracer7594
    @speedyracer7594 12 років тому

    Dave, this is my all time favorite video of yours ! very informative and practical.

  • @thomasey2
    @thomasey2 14 років тому +4

    this was the most terrific of all I have seen.
    Thank you so much

  • @zenerdezener
    @zenerdezener 11 років тому

    I just finished watching your video and I have to give you a lot of positive feedback. This was the most informative video I saw on this subject ever. Very well done. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.
    P.S. Nice T-shirt.

  • @matthewgahan2665
    @matthewgahan2665 11 років тому

    Really quality work mate. Thank you for increasing the signal to noise ratio on youtube, and indeed this sector :). You the man!

  • @azyfloof
    @azyfloof 12 років тому

    I'm about to watch this entire playlist all in one go :P
    Wish me luck!

  • @Txepetxcc
    @Txepetxcc 7 років тому +4

    39:44 Panelization hints in Altium PCB Designer software.

  • @googacct
    @googacct 14 років тому

    Great video. I generally make a own boards, but some great stuff to keep in mind in case one of my designs actually makes it to mass production.

  • @daniellora7740
    @daniellora7740 3 роки тому

    I just learned a lot, thanks for making the best and most completed video on manufacture specifications.

  • @BarriosGroupie
    @BarriosGroupie 14 років тому

    Altium Designer looks really professional, and designed by an Australian company.
    I'd be interested in how it compares to more established packages such as PADs or Cadstar.

  • @MM0SDK
    @MM0SDK 9 років тому

    The corner holes are normally, at least in my experience, the first holes ever drilled, as a pin is pressed into the holes to anchor the stack of pre-drilled boards to the CNC drilling machine bed, ready for drilling / routing. The next step is etching, before being brushed and cleaned, ready for silk screen printing of the mask and sent for component assembly / populate the PCB's. As far as I remember anyway, it was a while ago in an age where audio cassette tapes were the storage medium for CNC software / program....lol.

  • @AshwinSuppiah
    @AshwinSuppiah 11 років тому +2

    I would like to thank you for all the amazing tutorials that you've provided us with. I have a question about reverse engineering. I am a 3rd year aerospace engineering student from melbourne, I love electronics but I don't particularly posses the technical apt as you do. I would like to know if it were possible to design a ASIC chip, that would be able to decipher a certain algorithm at a low cost? If so, what do I need to ready up on and are there any resources you can direct me to.
    Cheers,Ash

  • @chethanabn8126
    @chethanabn8126 5 років тому

    Beautifully made tutorial. Great resource of information for designers.

  • @Brian-bv3ku
    @Brian-bv3ku 3 роки тому

    And I though Einstein was the smartest, but after watching this and others you have created, I was wrong. Thank you for all the effort you put into each tutorial you produce.

  • @StephenLeahey
    @StephenLeahey 14 років тому

    @EEVblog Its good. I've used for a long time. Has some bugs but its still waaay better than the mentor stuff, and leaves kicad and eagle dead in the water.

  • @RandyLott
    @RandyLott 13 років тому

    I think I've liked and favorited this video like 3 times. I always come back to it!

  • @Cineenvenordquist
    @Cineenvenordquist 12 років тому

    @rainbowsalads (Viz circuit (schema)...pcb walkthroughs) AutoLISP training is universal enough, but so are the AutoDesk (etc.) certified trainers, often in with distributors and engineering service companies; just pick your coverage (e.g. as mentioned, 401 discretes, inline packages, connectors...) and/or read up at the fabricators' (CFM/OEM) sites and match up preflighting (so connectors don't hustle each other for space, RF emit overmuch, etc.)

  • @ElectronicsAustralia
    @ElectronicsAustralia 14 років тому

    Totally enjoyed this one Dave. Really spelt out the process very well. Cheers!

  • @PrinceWesterburg
    @PrinceWesterburg 7 років тому

    This is interesting to me, and should be to a lot of people, who salvage components from old electronics and if, like me, you see if circuits can be improved - limited number of components can make a difference to audio circuits. Great!

  • @charleshoskinsoncrypto
    @charleshoskinsoncrypto 13 років тому

    EEV I have a few royalty questions. I'm designing a PCB for the PCI express bus that will likely also use an AMD CPU on the AM3 socket. Do you know the best way of finding out a general idea of finding out if I have to pay royalties so I can make some design decisions accordingly?

  • @StephenLeahey
    @StephenLeahey 14 років тому

    @heroineworshipper , one time costs for setup is normally 1k~2k in AU, cost per placed part is about 5 cents for SMT, and 20 cents for TH, and fine pitch components have some other pricing I don't know about, plus the cost of the parts, plus the cost of the PCB, plus testing, plus you likely need a bed of nails tester to be made up,
    All of which is well under 100k!!!!
    The real cost is in compliance testing, depending on the product, and getting custom plastics injection tools made...

  • @mrVetz
    @mrVetz 10 років тому +1

    You sir have a lot of energy

  • @deangreenhough3479
    @deangreenhough3479 4 роки тому

    Great information to consider, well worth the time to absorb. Thank you Dave

  • @unebonnevie
    @unebonnevie 11 років тому

    I LOVE your shirt that says "I only give negative feedback" with the op-design! LOL!

  • @EEVblog
    @EEVblog  14 років тому

    @militantmindset Yes, but what's your point? No need to but it, use a cheaper package or a free package. gEDA and KiCad are both free and open source.

  • @xDR1TeK
    @xDR1TeK 13 років тому

    This man is under-appreciated.

  • @-vermin-
    @-vermin- 14 років тому

    Nice one Dave. Design for repair could also make a good topic.

  • @nickmyer3597
    @nickmyer3597 7 років тому +1

    This was very informative and helpful. What are your thoughts, though, on selling PCB's as DIY kits/DIY boards? For this, I think it's safe to assume that through-hole would be the way to go for people who are learning and just starting out and what not. I've been deliberating between buying a CNC machine and learning to silk screen vs. sending my boards to a fab. What do you think?

  • @BowersElectronics
    @BowersElectronics 9 років тому

    sorry for the multiple comments but I'm basing a few arguments based on my previous work experience. small smd components not on deals are not hand soldered but instead placed manually during the inspection of the other components from the pick and place machine. then it all goes through the reflow oven.

  • @silentbob19861
    @silentbob19861 12 років тому

    Life-saver :) thank you so much for these great manufacturing tips. I've done some of these mistakes myself and hopfully will avoid some now :)

  • @jdsweet3657
    @jdsweet3657 11 років тому

    This is great. I just put an order in but decided not to get a solder mask to keep cost low..

  • @ghammatx
    @ghammatx 11 років тому

    black pcb with golden contacts are sooooo beautifull !!!

  • @DrEnginerd1
    @DrEnginerd1 11 років тому

    wow i was actually wondering how this is done, this video answered all my questions, even the ones i didnt know i had

  • @giaccomusic
    @giaccomusic 10 років тому +4

    what software is that from 40:00 onward?
    Any advice for a software making custom shaped smd pads (non rectangular). Have been using eagle but not able to do other complex shapes other than rectangular with roundness parameter.

  • @BOMBOVA
    @BOMBOVA 11 років тому

    i am a component lover also, i got tubes of stuff, n i am a designer and builder, well, i need to build more, nice video . thanks Thomas in Vancouver Canada

  • @dydxdydududx
    @dydxdydududx 11 років тому

    What a GREAT video! So much information! Can't wait to watch the other 500+ videos. Great, great stuff, thank you very much!

  • @gnagyusa
    @gnagyusa 9 років тому

    Excellent summary!
    Thanks, Dave