These Yellow Jerseys are controversial, but still interesting pieces of history! They came from Tyler Hamilton. Armstrong gifted Tyler one each year he was on the team and wrote a note on it to thank him for his help at the Tour. What’s funny is that, as Tyler started transitioning from domestique to serious rival, Armstrong’s notes got shorter and less cordial. The last one, when Tyler was leaving the team to become a leader at CSC just says: “To Tyler - Lance.” He clearly felt threatened! For obvious reasons, Tyler didn’t want them anymore so we took them. They’re kept above our horrible copier, where all the rage in the office gets concentrated.
@@theproscloset fair enough.. but the man himself still has his hanging on his wall it's incredible how people can deny history or facts when they want to do it from their own perspective. Good luck with your shop
@@whynotride327He's still profiting off the ill gotten gains to this very minute .... But he's not living in my head Sir. But we call a spade a spade when we see it.
I won my state TT championship on a 21” front wheel and aero bars in 1989 on the steel bike I silver brazed. My aero bars were Ti made by a friend who was a cryogenic engineer.
Greg wasn't the only one to use the Scott aero bars in the 1989 tdf. The American 711 Team rode them with Andy Hampsten as Leader. Also Fignon DID try the Bars before the final ITT but decided against them because he didn't want to risk his lead due to the bars unfamiliarity. Fignon wasn't late to the final ITT, that was Pedro Delgado (the 1988 tdf winner) who was 2:48 late to the Prologue which cost him the Tour
trying to justify some people using something extra for their advantage over their competitors... that absolutely NO different to doping no matter what you say.
Nice video, thanks for sharing The bike was just one part of the victory. Fignon tried to find the best lane without the strong wind from the front. Lemond takes the shortest route, cuts every corner and saves more the 150m at Fignon‘s way. That was also a big step for Lemond‘s success.
I saw Grag in San Francisco at the Tour if California. Phil Liggett hosted an "evening Greg Lemond". The topic was the 89 Tour. It was an unforgettable evening!!! Greg brought the actual 89 TT bike with him and displyed it in the lobby. He said that he baught from the ADR team because he switched teams at the end of 89. He baught it for some ridiculous sum (> $10 k US - I can't remember the exact amount). He had it painted in the Z team colors. He must of used it earlier in the 90 season as he used the carbon TVT TT bike (with Greg Lemond labels) in the 90 Tour. He said the 89 TT bike was a tank at 27 lb. He also said that his Giro helmet was not so aero "it was a parachute". It was OK when he had his head up, but most of the time he had his head facing down. The UCI made him cut the helmet tail - hence Greg called it a parachute when he had his head facing down.
If I remember correctly, the whole MAVIC group could be serviced by a 6mm, making life easier for a mechanic hanging out of a team car servicing the bike on the road.
THAT was Mavic simplicity. Remember the 7mm 1st Gen. Campy C-record crank self-extracting bolt? The gruppo was a little over-engineered (Delta calipers). Lots of riders complained that their cranks were loosening and asked the team mechanics to use a simple Super Record 15mm bolt instead yet all I do to this day is grease the threads on both the S.E. bolt and B.B. axle. Never had/have problems with it.
I went to a talk by Greg Lemond about 15 years ago where he talked about this day, of course. He started in the 55x12 and never shifted out of that gear.
While much is given to LeMond’s use of aero bars it’s worth noting that Fignon used a solid disc front wheel which, in theory, was more aerodynamic. However, Fignon decided not to wear his aero helmet costing him precious seconds. In the end it still came down to the rider, not the bike.
I think I read somewhere that on that day there was a strong tailwind--so even with a 26'' front disk Fignon may have been a little unsteady on that ride.
Great video. One nit to pick: you said that the funny bike came along with Moser's hour record attempts in 1984. In the 1982 Coors Classic program is a short article about funny bikes, having been used by the East German and French team time trial teams the year earlier in the World Championships. No disc wheels or aerobars, but they had the top tube sloping downward toward the head tube, smaller front wheel and bullhorn bars. East Germany got 1st in the event in 1981, and the French got 6th.
Neither a roadie, nor did I ever give it my focus in any way, but I am peripherally interested. And I've always been familiar with Laurent Fignon and his winning of the TdF and it wasn't until this very video that I now know him as the guy that lost the Tour by 8 seconds 😅
@@seventysevenfiji Greg and Laurent went back to the early '80s as Renault teammates in Bernard Hinault's shadow, then when Bernard had knee surgery and was not able to contest the '83 Tour, Laurent made the Tour team while Greg was not selected. And incredibly, Laurent won both the '83 and '84 Tours. Then, with Greg having won in '86, the two of them faced off in '89 and they made history with their duel throughout the race. And then Greg caught and defeated Laurent in the World Championship race two months later. And, sadly, '89 crushed Laurent, he was never the same after his great rival triumphed over him. Yet it was cool that Laurent's last win a few years later was in Gatorade colors.
Pretty sure some members of the USA 7 Eleven team also used the aero bars during the 89 tour. I would have to dig through some old footage to confirm but I seem to remember that.
Not sure if 7 Eleven rode the bars at the ‘89 TDF. But 7 Eleven riders used them earlier that year at the Tour de Trump (I gag when I say that). That race finished with a TT and Davis Phinney, Ron Keifel and Dag Otto Lauritzen used them, I believe. Dag Otto won GC in that race also.
The original Scott clip on bars did not fit the smaller diameter Mavic bars well when they were mounted. Aluminium shims were cut from Coke cans to increase the diameter of the Mavic bars and the clip on bars were able to be fastened snug. If you look closely at the iconic photo of Lemond storming down the Champs-Elysees to the finish, you can see the unmistakable logo of the Coke cans peeking out from under the clip-on bars
6:48 do the aerobars have the famous pepsi can strips under the clamp, like in the TdF winning bike? They were needed as the clamp wasn't the correct diameter for the bars. I'm glad Greg had a great mechanic to fix the issue 🙂
Cool bike. And cool video. Note. Boone Lennon and Charlie French didn't design the clip-on. They designed the one piece Scott DH bar. That started being used in triathlon in 1987. The clip-on was a patent Scott USA bought and started manufacturing and marketing in 1988. Profile For Speed then brought out their Aero 2 clip-on in 1989. They had also already released a one-piece bar, the Aero 1, in 1988.
Just curious - the corner fillets in the frame. Are they steel, or some other material? I would guess that they are sheet brass, being far easier to form with thin sheets, and silver brazed on. Any chance you could hit one of them with a magnet to see if they're magnetic?
This frame is a noticeably different to the one LeMond rode, in that the flat aero bits are much smaller on his. For example, the section above his bottom bracket doesn't go higher than the chainring. I wonder why the replica was made like that
'Tout' Mavic is 'complete' Mavic - ie the collective name for a full Mavic groupset not the name of the derailleur or drivetrain. Lots of little details are wrong like the black modolo stem but a great bike nonetheless. Also funny bikes were around since the late 70s not 1984.
How can you compare a 1 week race full of days that are under 100 kilometers with 1 climbing day to a 21 day race like the tour d France of 1989 , utterly ridiculous
@@kaiserpuppydog7174 Why? Most stages back then we're pancake flat jokes. Even the big mountain stages were very much controlled to the last mountain. The energy expenditure in today's one week races is probably higher than in a whole 3 week race back then.
Unless the women ride alongside men in the full 21 day Tour, it's beyond absurd to claim Lemond's victory margin as second closest. Did someone from the University of Woke write your script?
Great video, but the fact that you have Lance’s yellow jerseys on the wall, makes me seriously question your sense of rationality.
These Yellow Jerseys are controversial, but still interesting pieces of history! They came from Tyler Hamilton. Armstrong gifted Tyler one each year he was on the team and wrote a note on it to thank him for his help at the Tour. What’s funny is that, as Tyler started transitioning from domestique to serious rival, Armstrong’s notes got shorter and less cordial. The last one, when Tyler was leaving the team to become a leader at CSC just says: “To Tyler - Lance.” He clearly felt threatened! For obvious reasons, Tyler didn’t want them anymore so we took them. They’re kept above our horrible copier, where all the rage in the office gets concentrated.
@@theproscloset fair enough.. but the man himself still has his hanging on his wall it's incredible how people can deny history or facts when they want to do it from their own perspective. Good luck with your shop
@@theprosclosetNothing wrong with owning Lances Yellow Jerseys. He Won them !
20 years and he still lives in some people's head. Sad for them.
@@whynotride327He's still profiting off the ill gotten gains to this very minute .... But he's not living in my head Sir. But we call a spade a spade when we see it.
I won my state TT championship on a 21” front wheel and aero bars in 1989 on the steel bike I silver brazed. My aero bars were Ti made by a friend who was a cryogenic engineer.
Greg wasn't the only one to use the Scott aero bars in the 1989 tdf. The American 711 Team rode them with Andy Hampsten as Leader. Also Fignon DID try the Bars before the final ITT but decided against them because he didn't want to risk his lead due to the bars unfamiliarity. Fignon wasn't late to the final ITT, that was Pedro Delgado (the 1988 tdf winner) who was 2:48 late to the Prologue which cost him the Tour
trying to justify some people using something extra for their advantage over their competitors... that absolutely NO different to doping no matter what you say.
@@danjo1967 Nice try.
nostalgic. that lemond win persuaded me, an age grouper beginning triathlete to use those aero bars.
Nice video, thanks for sharing
The bike was just one part of the victory. Fignon tried to find the best lane without the strong wind from the front. Lemond takes the shortest route, cuts every corner and saves more the 150m at Fignon‘s way. That was also a big step for Lemond‘s success.
Now I have another life regret, never reading that gift catalog on the plane. 🤣
It's up there with the crossword puzzle wallpaper!
I saw Grag in San Francisco at the Tour if California. Phil Liggett hosted an "evening Greg Lemond". The topic was the 89 Tour. It was an unforgettable evening!!! Greg brought the actual 89 TT bike with him and displyed it in the lobby. He said that he baught from the ADR team because he switched teams at the end of 89. He baught it for some ridiculous sum (> $10 k US - I can't remember the exact amount). He had it painted in the Z team colors. He must of used it earlier in the 90 season as he used the carbon TVT TT bike (with Greg Lemond labels) in the 90 Tour. He said the 89 TT bike was a tank at 27 lb. He also said that his Giro helmet was not so aero "it was a parachute". It was OK when he had his head up, but most of the time he had his head facing down. The UCI made him cut the helmet tail - hence Greg called it a parachute when he had his head facing down.
If I remember correctly, the whole MAVIC group could be serviced by a 6mm, making life easier for a mechanic hanging out of a team car servicing the bike on the road.
THAT was Mavic simplicity. Remember the 7mm 1st Gen. Campy C-record crank self-extracting bolt? The gruppo was a little over-engineered (Delta calipers).
Lots of riders complained that their cranks were loosening and asked the team mechanics to use a simple Super Record 15mm bolt instead yet all I do to this day is grease the threads on both the S.E. bolt and B.B. axle. Never had/have problems with it.
I went to a talk by Greg Lemond about 15 years ago where he talked about this day, of course. He started in the 55x12 and never shifted out of that gear.
Great fact coverage and amazing flow! Thank you!
While much is given to LeMond’s use of aero bars it’s worth noting that Fignon used a solid disc front wheel which, in theory, was more aerodynamic. However, Fignon decided not to wear his aero helmet costing him precious seconds. In the end it still came down to the rider, not the bike.
I think I read somewhere that on that day there was a strong tailwind--so even with a 26'' front disk Fignon may have been a little unsteady on that ride.
I read Fignon’s pony tail would have cost him 12 seconds in aero losses !
I seem to recall Fignon warmed up in an aero helmet, and in a moment of bravado prior to the start, tossed it aside.
Likewise. I seem to remember one of the cycling magazines at the time (yes I'm that old) doing an analysis of it.
Great video. One nit to pick: you said that the funny bike came along with Moser's hour record attempts in 1984. In the 1982 Coors Classic program is a short article about funny bikes, having been used by the East German and French team time trial teams the year earlier in the World Championships. No disc wheels or aerobars, but they had the top tube sloping downward toward the head tube, smaller front wheel and bullhorn bars. East Germany got 1st in the event in 1981, and the French got 6th.
Awesome bike. Visited your store two weeks ago, I'm from New England.
All the efford making it low with upper tube and than rasing the stem :D
Neither a roadie, nor did I ever give it my focus in any way, but I am peripherally interested.
And I've always been familiar with Laurent Fignon and his winning of the TdF and it wasn't until this very video that I now know him as the guy that lost the Tour by 8 seconds 😅
@@seventysevenfiji Greg and Laurent went back to the early '80s as Renault teammates in Bernard Hinault's shadow, then when Bernard had knee surgery and was not able to contest the '83 Tour, Laurent made the Tour team while Greg was not selected. And incredibly, Laurent won both the '83 and '84 Tours. Then, with Greg having won in '86, the two of them faced off in '89 and they made history with their duel throughout the race. And then Greg caught and defeated Laurent in the World Championship race two months later. And, sadly, '89 crushed Laurent, he was never the same after his great rival triumphed over him. Yet it was cool that Laurent's last win a few years later was in Gatorade colors.
Great presentation 👍
0:50 IIRC, Greg still owns the original, it was repainted in LeMond colors and used with team Z.
Pretty sure some members of the USA 7 Eleven team also used the aero bars during the 89 tour. I would have to dig through some old footage to confirm but I seem to remember that.
Not sure if 7 Eleven rode the bars at the ‘89 TDF. But 7 Eleven riders used them earlier that year at the Tour de Trump (I gag when I say that). That race finished with a TT and Davis Phinney, Ron Keifel and Dag Otto Lauritzen used them, I believe. Dag Otto won GC in that race also.
@@jamescarlphotography4523 Why?? That was the name of the race. Why would you care?
@@whynotride327 why not?
There is ABC coverage of Andy Hampsten using the Tri Bars for the first ITT.
The original Scott clip on bars did not fit the smaller diameter Mavic bars well when they were mounted. Aluminium shims were cut from Coke cans to increase the diameter of the Mavic bars and the clip on bars were able to be fastened snug. If you look closely at the iconic photo of Lemond storming down the Champs-Elysees to the finish, you can see the unmistakable logo of the Coke cans peeking out from under the clip-on bars
Gold Star for you. I read that the bars slipped in the long time trial and Otto Jacome came up with the greatest hack of all time
I still use coke shims to fit my 25,4 mm bar to a 26 mm stem. And to fix a loose pressfit bottom bracket.
@@mcbohdo 26.0 stems came around the late 1990s. I was having a hard time still trying to find a 26.4mm quill Cinelli XA back then.
6:48 do the aerobars have the famous pepsi can strips under the clamp, like in the TdF winning bike? They were needed as the clamp wasn't the correct diameter for the bars. I'm glad Greg had a great mechanic to fix the issue 🙂
Cool bike. And cool video. Note. Boone Lennon and Charlie French didn't design the clip-on. They designed the one piece Scott DH bar. That started being used in triathlon in 1987. The clip-on was a patent Scott USA bought and started manufacturing and marketing in 1988. Profile For Speed then brought out their Aero 2 clip-on in 1989. They had also already released a one-piece bar, the Aero 1, in 1988.
Just curious - the corner fillets in the frame. Are they steel, or some other material? I would guess that they are sheet brass, being far easier to form with thin sheets, and silver brazed on. Any chance you could hit one of them with a magnet to see if they're magnetic?
This frame is a noticeably different to the one LeMond rode, in that the flat aero bits are much smaller on his. For example, the section above his bottom bracket doesn't go higher than the chainring. I wonder why the replica was made like that
That shirt is a bit ironic standing next to a museum bike
This video should have been called "How Greg Lemond's TT bike RUINED Road Racing".
I wish they would ban tt bikes.
'Tout' Mavic is 'complete' Mavic - ie the collective name for a full Mavic groupset not the name of the derailleur or drivetrain. Lots of little details are wrong like the black modolo stem but a great bike nonetheless. Also funny bikes were around since the late 70s not 1984.
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Under UCI rules tri-bars were illegal at that time.
Where do you get that idea? They were already used by 7-11 earlier in the year without issue.
@@whynotride327 Greg told me.
Thought those Jerseys were banned from the Sport for Doping. Guy wearing them as well!
How can you compare a 1 week race full of days that are under 100 kilometers with 1 climbing day to a 21 day race like the tour d France of 1989 , utterly ridiculous
The TDF Femme needs to be 2 weeks long with longer races. But it was still an exciting finish.
It was an insult to Lemond and Fignon's achievements.
@@keirfarnum6811I Agree. At least 2 weeks long. I am all for the women going 3 weeks, let them have 3 rest days.
@@kaiserpuppydog7174 Why? Most stages back then we're pancake flat jokes. Even the big mountain stages were very much controlled to the last mountain. The energy expenditure in today's one week races is probably higher than in a whole 3 week race back then.
@@Flyingdinosaurhunter Convincing evidence you're providing.. the energy expenditure is "probably" higher 😅😂🤣 than a 3 week race.
its not that difficult to ask greg where his original is. you are a museum, correct? what else were you unable to learn?
Where are the Coke can shims for the Scott bars???
i'm 35 seconds in and there have been 4 american butcherings of french/polish/italian names
Unless the women ride alongside men in the full 21 day Tour, it's beyond absurd to claim Lemond's victory margin as second closest. Did someone from the University of Woke write your script?
Woke was a warning to young black men to be aware of their surroundings to avoid racial animus.
What the hell are you talking about?
@@johndef5075 You know EXACTLY what he is talking about and you are proving his point.
Is that mavic drivetrain called 'tout'? If so, it's pronounced 'toot', and means 'all'.
Sorry to sound misogynistic but 4 seconds over 588 miles and eight stages doesn't eclipse 8 seconds over 2041 miles and 21 stages.....
You could at least have the basic intelligence to pronounce Bottechia correctly if you're going to make a video about it ....