The casting of Ronny Cox as Jellicho was a brilliant move by the producers. Cox was famous for playing the villain in Robocop and Total Recall. So his appearance here created an expectation that he’d turn out to be a villain. I’m glad that wasn’t the case and he was cast against type. It made the resolution far more interesting.
I found him to be in-between that of a villain and a good guy, a fundamentally flawed character but with a strong conviction to do the right thing, even if it wasn't the popular approach.
thing was, Jellicho was a GREAT captain. He cut the shifts down, he asked Data for imput on the ship and if updates were possible (and they were) But of course Gerodie was butt hurt because he had to do actual work with his hands instead of just "hang on a sec sir." *looks at screen *i can give you warp 8 for three minutes!" And as for Riker, massive asshole complex by him "Oh you need my help? BEG!" *sits in his dressing gown* "Come to MY quarters, praise my skills and BEG ME to help you." And the best thing he did? "Troi wear a damn uniform. This is a working environment, not a pleasure cruise!"
I can kind of understand that Starfleet Command was probably getting a bit frustrated with Riker by this point. They kept bringing out the captain's chair for him, but he wouldn't sit down. You might interpret that as him lacking confidence in his own abilities.
Admirals Nechayev, Kennally and Pressman were real works of art; Flag Rank cake eaters watching the shite they caused roll downhill and create mayhem for everyone else. That being said, Natalia Nogulich, Cliff Potts and Terry O'Quinn did an awesome job as always, along with all of the other Actors and Actresses who portrayed Starfleet brass.
@@Twister6424 I absolutely agree. I remember that in a later episode Picard requested a matter to be brought before the federation council and she denied that request because she had already tried that herself and the council had made clear they didn't want to hear it. Nechayev was one of those who gave the impression that people at Starfleet HQ were actually competent.
This episode was made partially because (behind the scenes) Patrick Stewart was tired and annoyed about playing Captain Picard sitting on the bridge. He wanted to do more action, and to get off the ship more often. So the writers wrote Picard leading this mission as a way to appease Patrick Stewart.
Its sad. There is a skit of Ricky Gervais where Steward is basically saying "Picard, like James Bond in Space, he goes around and has all these women and adventures". Then he made Star Trek: Picard, where Jean Luc Picard is basically a stupid Space Cowboy. It made sense for Kirk, but Picard was never written like that. Riker was the Space Cowboy. And Steward hated that. He wanted to be the cool edgy superhero. He probably made any involvement into Star Trek contingent on him being the James Bond Space Hero, otherwise he wouldn't do it. That's how we ended up with the atrocity that is Star Trek: Picard. I loved the character Picard. I sadly have lost respect for Steward as an actor, because his ego was more important than the role he was supposed to play. Look at how most other actors cherished and upheld their characters. Just look at how Nimoy always stayed true to what Spock stands for. What a shame. An old man, wanting to be cool in his final years. Such a waste.
@@livinliciousI completely agree with you. You only have to look at the absolute mess that was Star Trek: Nemesis, and the dune buggy scene to see that. Then as you rightly point out Star Trek Picard, what a disgrace to Star Trek fans that was. Ironically he thought he was playing a parody of himself in Extras, with Ricky Gervais, but ST Picard ended up a parody thanks to Stewart’s ego. It’s amazing how that criticism always gets levelled at William Shatner, and yet he was always true to the character of Captain Kirk.
@@livinliciousSadly, when faced with the eventuality of death and oblivion, we all succumb to hubris. They say, 'Time is the fire, in which we burn'. I'm sure you understand.
Cmdr Rike, we realize no one knows this ship and crew better, you’ve been qualified to be a captain for at least 6 years and you saved us all from the Borg a couple years ago but we need to bring in a new guy for dramatic tension.
While he saved the Federation from the Borg, it certainly didn't guarantee he would do as well with the Cardassians. Anyone remember a movie called Generations? Anyone remember which bearded dude was in command when the Enterprise was getting its ass handed by an old Klingon Bird of Prey? How did Riker's qualifications work out for him there? They also made it clear why they were bringing in Jellico. Who, by the way, made it obvious that Riker isn't as adaptable to change as would be expected by any officer in Starfleet. Riker looked like a big whiny baby in this episode.
Three things that should have taken place in universe for this plot line: Sending Picard, Crusher and Worf on a stealth mission is ludicrous. Transferring the flag to the USS Cairo where the captain and crew have worked, fought and trained together for years (presumably) would have made more sense. Making the decision to go to war over one system is a decision you must make ahead of time, not after the system has already been taken.
Unfortunately, _Star Trek_ has always (from _TOS_ and into the current -nutrek- regime) used the term "flagship" incorrectly. A flagship is whatever vessel an Admiral or Commodore is _regularly_ stationed to, _not_ whatever ship is the biggest, fastest, merit-able, most powerful, reputable, or most prestigious in the fleet. And even then, a flagship is assigned as the center of a fleet or armada, _not_ for solo missions _per se._ In this case, the _Cairo_ is not a flagship anymore than the _Enterprise-D_ is, because Admiral Nechayev is a passenger, not her regular command ship.
@@EVAUnit4A I agree. And diving into which ship should be a "flagship"...the Galaxy class starships had their asses handed to them by rather nameless foes which made you question how they assigned a starship as the "flagship".
A flagship needs not be a warship, at least in this timeline. The Enterprise-E is a warship, it's smaller, more nimble, has 40% the carrying capacity, but overfitted with weapons.
@@ducminhduong9873 Aside from Quantum Torpedoes I'm not sure it's overfitted, unless you're referring to other weapons that weren't mentioned in First Contact.
@@matthewcorcoran2891 Actually it does because the fact that Starfleet does things that make no sense makes it like any other workplace where company management leaves a lot to be desired.
I would have selected Commander Kayne West, First Officer of the USS Crazy Horse. He has the most experience exploring the vast regions of the Kardashians.
I should remind all of you that we received all this information a former Starfleet Captain Ben Maxwell. It turns out all the information he had gathered was correct.
@@randomrazr Considering that they needed all hands on deck during the Dominion War and experienced stark manpower stortages, I don't think it's unlikely that they reactivated some "retired" officers with a questionable background.
You're right. In fact he may have been understating the situation based on what is seen on DS9. Starfleet seriously screwed up by not listening to Captain Maxwell's warnings.
While assigning jellico was a good idea, the rest of the decisions Necheyev made revealed her to be as incompetent as hell. Sending the co of the fleet's flagship with only 2 other officers into enemy territory based solely on a rumor was nothing short of stupid.
I am not sure how well it would have looked to have a commander negotiate with a cardassian Gul. Does not exactly give the impression that the Federation really cares about those planets if a captain can't be bothered with the matter 😀
The Beard should have been courtmartialed after Rascals showed that hes lazy, complacecent and inept. They knew he wasnt for the Chair and Jellico was the man.
Nechayev was the admiral you loved to hate. Shame in a way, as would have loved to have heard more of her backstory in the show, she was an intriguing character whenever on screen.
@@Twister6424 Maybe his ego was a bit bruised but at the same time sending Picard, Worf, and Crusher on a covert wild goose chase doesn't exactly justify her reasons for the reassignment. That was made obvious when Nechayev threatened to replace Captain PIcard again for not mercilessly destroying the Borg as was originally planned in the episode I, Borg.
in that case why not also give Wesley Crusher a field promotion to captain and give him command of his own ship since we're so eager to create captains out of thin air all of a sudden.
The admirals Point is valid as riker only prior experience with the cardassians came during the wounded episode and he isn’t the diplomat Picard is. So bringing in jellico to take charge and negotiate with the cardassians was logical.
@@cleekmaker00 But there can only be one flagship. And the Enterprise always found itself on the front lines. The Yamato and the Odessey were also galaxy class starships, but they were not the Federation's flagship.
Counterpoint- to all of you. A flagship is not a prestigious or 'best' or prized ship. A flagship is literally the ship in a fleet, force, group, etc., that flies the flag of that group's command/commander, or, the command ship. Usually, an admiral's flag- hence the name, "flagship"- though it could be a commodore or something. By proper naval terminology, if the Enterprise hosts the fleet/task force/whatever commander, then it is the flagship. Otherwise, it is a ship, no matter its comparative reknown or import. If the admiral transfers to another ship but otherwise retains the same massed command, then that ship becomes the flagship. I hate that Star Trek so abuses this term to just mean "bestest, most favoritest" like this.
Enterprise: Fleet flagship staffed by best people in the Federation. Starfleet: Outstanding incompetence, staffed by the most disagreeable ignoramuses in the galaxy.
Gotta disagree with you there. This episode made Riker (who always stated the obvious in most episodes) look like a big whiny baby when he couldn't serve effectively as First Officer. If Picard made the same choices as Jellico, I'm sure good old bearded dude would happily swing his leg over many chairs while carrying out Picard's decisions. Jellico's no nonsense approach was refreshing. It was getting tiring watching many episodes over the series that while the Enterprise can't ALWAYS save the galaxy by itself, the Enterprise and crew can ALWAYS save themselves each time every time. Jellico clearly didn't get to where he did by doing it Picard's way and that's fine, too!
@@Twister6424 Calling Riker a big whiny baby means you can't effectively make a valid comment. And if you think Riker was ineffective serving as First Officer just because he lost his cool with Captain Jellico then by your definition Jellico couldn't serve effectively as Captain because he lost his cool as well. In fact, it got to the point where Counselor Troi had to step in and try to have cooler heads prevail. Of course Jellico took the easy way out and just relieved Commander Riker of his post just like he took the easy way out and used his rank to get his own way with the Enterprise crew instead of actually trying to work with them. What Commander Riker said to Captain Jellico was right on the money. He had the best crew working under him and he treated them like they were raw cadets. Riker said it best, Jellico wasn't a particularly good captain and since he didn't realize how good he had it with the Enterprise he wasn't a particularly good fit for the Enterpise crew not the other way around. Can't really blame Riker for insisting on protection for Captain Picard because he knew that if the Cardassians had killed Picard, chances would've been very good that Jellico might've gotten a permanent posting as Captain of the Enterprise and we know just how excited Riker and the crew would've been had that happened especially after the response Jellico got after saying "it was an honor serving with you". With that being said, I kind of agree with Jellico's position of keeping the Federation off the hook and allowing Picard alone to take the fall because I believe Picard would've done the same thing. Take the fall himself and kept the Federation off the hook to avoid a war. It's what a previous Captain of the Enterprise had done numerous times. In other words, how Captain Jellico handled it tactically was a 7 or 8 but how he handled the Enterprise crew, I'd give him a 2 or a 3. You see Captain Jellico didn't want a crew of free thinkers to work with, he wanted robots that would be at his beck and call 24/7 without question. That's why having Data assigned as his First Officer was perfect for him but rest assured if Data's algorithms had told him in any way that Jellico was needlessly endangering the crew you can bet your positrons Data would not have hesitated to speak up and with calm logic instead of emotional outbursts.
@@johnnybravado7141 So you can say what you want about Jellico...but who was in command? Rank has its privileges, my dude. Jellico may have lost his cool, but Riker wasn't in charge nor was he calling the shots. And Jellico was already an experienced Captain...so how does Riker rate against this again and how does this matter? If time is of the utmost importance, which it was in this episode, then anyone would have had Riker relieved since there was no time to deal with his nonsense. Do you actually believe stroking Riker's ego would suddenly make him do his job? If so, then that too is a flaw on Riker. Riker's statements to Jellico was unusual because his own experience with the Borg should have demonstrated that he needs people on their game (which is why he chose Shelby and not Data as First Officer). I won't comment on your rating system as it's subjective. And I'm not sure how you know that Jellico doesn't want free thinkers...but you're welcome to point that out in the episode. It has been awhile since I've seen the episode. I do like your point about Data...it supports why Riker was relieved--he didn't employ calm logic or try to adapt to Jellico's orders. Or as I said, a whiny baby. He simply said Jellico's orders can't be done...yet it was done by the very people that Riker was supposed to lead, otherwise there would have been no reason to relieve Riker. (If my comment "whiny baby" truly bothers you, then I'd advise not reading other people's comments about Riker in the episode. I put it nice compared to others.) Rest assured, our dude Riker flexed his XO muscles under Picard...but under Jellico, he came up way short. In fact, Riker didn't measure up as he claimed that everyone that serves on the Enterprise needs to in the episode "Ensign Ro." A little hypocrisy does make Riker more human, but flawed nonetheless. Clearly, Jellico made the right choice relieving him. Maybe that's why he wasn't ready for the Captain's chair the times that Starfleet pulled it out for him? Cheers!
All things being equal....Admiral Necheyev was just amazing at her job lol An admiral not part of a main cast that is professional, studious, strict, somewhat of a hardass, has no grandiose agenda to single handedly save the federation. Has no machievellian alliances with mysterious intel group. She is a woman doing a job. And doing it well. She represents the Federation not herself. She is anti thesis to the Badmirals disease
RIP Cairo. You'd have thought Jellicoe would have remained in command or at least had her as his flag ship if he was promoted come the time of the Dominion war.
The premise of this two parter has always been silly. Remember, Starfleet is sending on a high risk covert inflitration operation with a high risk of catastrophic failure: - the eldery captain of the most presitgious ship in the fleet. A captain which is a skilled negotiator and diplomat and who has vast knoledge of the inner workings of Starfleet. - the chief medical officer of said ship - who is also the former head of Starfleet medical. - the chief of security, the only klingon in the fleet and who has ties to the current leadership of the klingon empire. They could have thought of a better way to get Picard captured by the Cardies...
@@johnnybravado7141 Sure Jellico isn't perfect but Riker wasn't calling the shots and he sure missed his opportunity to prove his versatility in working with other proven Starfleet officers. Who looks bad in this episode? Here's a hint--Jellico wasn't relieved of his duties. So...I'm sorry, what was your point?
@@Twister6424 The only thing Riker missed out on was having to kiss Jellico's pips and brass for the rest of the mission. He still got to fly the shuttlecraft to lay out those mines which would've happened anyway whether he was relieved or not since he was the best man for the job regardless of what Jellico thought of him. Couple that with Jellico having to swallow his pride and a mouthful of truth from Riker before growing a set and asking Riker to fly the shuttlecraft when originally he wanted Geordi to fly it. Add Riker re-instated as First Officer on Picard's return to command along with Jellico being met with dead silence after saying what an honor it was to serve with them after treating the crew like crap. Add to that total Riker getting command of the USS Titan years later and you tell me who looked bad in the episode. Here's a hint- it wasn't Riker or any of the crew. Nice try but you should already know you're already way in over your head in debating with me so why don't you do the simple and honorable thing and just walk away from this. I never back down and I never lose so to say you were at a disadvantage would be an understatement. it would be more correct to say you had nothing going your way in this debate. It's like bringing a knife to a gunfight. You didn't bring the right weapons so you were already in it to lose.
Thank you very much, April 5, 2063, for uploading this crappy clip of Star Trek where a person with such High ranking official like Commander Dexter did with Captain Kirk and Science Officer Spock like the Admiral overranked herself to Commander William Riker. Any copying of my comments is illegal and against the law. Please have a nice day today. ™
I think she treated Riker very badly for no reason, considering he saved their collective asses from the collective (Borg). He deserved more respect then that.
Jellico: Alienates the one man capable of carrying out his plan because of his own arrogance and inflexability. Rank Ass-Kissers: "Boy, this man really knows how to command a ship!" Jellico was out of his depth and waded onto a far superior vessel with a far superior crew and thought his style wouldnt need adjusting. Ive seen the same thing from managers of teams. Always ends in embarassment.
I mean, the show isn't about the admirals, goes without saying that you don't see the service record that led to their promotion. One can, however, reasonably presume that she earned the rank just as much as any other admiral in Starfleet did. Put another way, would you say the same about, say, Admiral Ross of Star Trek DS9, or Forrest in Enterprise? Because we never saw either of them actually fighting alongside anyone either.
@@sammencia7945 Thats not the actress, thats the directors fault. The admiral should not be walking around the table, she should be sitting in the chair at the head of the table from the start. But I guess somebody decided that would be to static. Also Nechayev doesn't mention a very good reason why Riker can't be leading the negotiations: he rank and status as an XO (unlike Sisco, who is a commander but has his own command) are insufficent for the negotiations. BTW: Nechayev was one of those admirals who were written as being competent instead of just idiots or troublemakers.
She direct and professional. Riker kept refusing a captain's chair on another vessel, and he didn't have the knowledge to deal with the Cardassians. She was a gem of an admiral.
@@sammencia7945 I see your logic, but I don't agree with your conclusion. If a dude was doing exactly what you blame Admiral Nechayev of doing...would that make it OK? Would you want an Admiral that didn't know how to lead and always deferred to the adversary when it came to authority?
Appearently Admiral Nechayev doesn't realize that the next in command is William Riker and not whom she thinks is fit. My personal point of view is that he can talk to Starfleet hoping that they will listen to him. Please post only positive comments over here. ™
I'm quite certain, Admiral Nechayev knew who was next in command. "Next in command" doesn't always translate into "best person to deal with the situation."
Nechayev, as admiral in who's chain of command the Enterprise lies, has every right to choose someone else to command the Enterprise over William T. Riker. This is simply how military rank structures work.
XO don't inherit the rank of captain on the same ship. They had to take commamd elsewhere, and then come back. She did the right thing. And Riker had refused a promotion several times already. This lit a fire under his ass that he needed.
Appearently Admiral Nechayev doesn't realize that the next in command is William Riker and not whom she thinks is fit. My personal point of view is that he can talk to Starfleet hoping that they will listen to him. Please post only positive comments over here. ™
I have to disagree here. First: the command of the Enterprise is a slot for a captain, not a commander. Having Riker being acting captain while Picard is away is ok, but Nechayev can also assign another captain if she thinks the situation requires it. And Riker is not qualified to lead the negotiations simply by being only a commander and not having a command of his own.
@@sammencia7945 what's wrong with ppl's right to choose? if he doesn't want negative comments then don't post negative comments. you can make your points without posting negative comments assuming you know what that means.
The casting of Ronny Cox as Jellicho was a brilliant move by the producers. Cox was famous for playing the villain in Robocop and Total Recall. So his appearance here created an expectation that he’d turn out to be a villain. I’m glad that wasn’t the case and he was cast against type. It made the resolution far more interesting.
I found him to be in-between that of a villain and a good guy, a fundamentally flawed character but with a strong conviction to do the right thing, even if it wasn't the popular approach.
thing was, Jellicho was a GREAT captain. He cut the shifts down, he asked Data for imput on the ship and if updates were possible (and they were) But of course Gerodie was butt hurt because he had to do actual work with his hands instead of just "hang on a sec sir." *looks at screen *i can give you warp 8 for three minutes!" And as for Riker, massive asshole complex by him "Oh you need my help? BEG!" *sits in his dressing gown* "Come to MY quarters, praise my skills and BEG ME to help you." And the best thing he did? "Troi wear a damn uniform. This is a working environment, not a pleasure cruise!"
@@AzguardMike So in other words, he turned the Enterprise into a military dictatorship.
A good guy in Beverly Hills cop though.
@@AzguardMike I don't know about a fan that can't even spell Geordi.
I can kind of understand that Starfleet Command was probably getting a bit frustrated with Riker by this point. They kept bringing out the captain's chair for him, but he wouldn't sit down. You might interpret that as him lacking confidence in his own abilities.
Indeed I do! While I like Riker, he does tend to point out the obvious. Good insight!
Admirals Nechayev, Kennally and Pressman were real works of art; Flag Rank cake eaters watching the shite they caused roll downhill and create mayhem for everyone else.
That being said, Natalia Nogulich, Cliff Potts and Terry O'Quinn did an awesome job as always, along with all of the other Actors and Actresses who portrayed Starfleet brass.
@@cleekmaker00 I see your point on Kennally and Pressman, but Nechayev?
@@Twister6424 I absolutely agree. I remember that in a later episode Picard requested a matter to be brought before the federation council and she denied that request because she had already tried that herself and the council had made clear they didn't want to hear it. Nechayev was one of those who gave the impression that people at Starfleet HQ were actually competent.
@@Twister6424 Best of Both Worlds Parts 1 and 2 say you're both wrong.
The costume department forgot to give the Admiral a communicator pin
This episode was made partially because (behind the scenes) Patrick Stewart was tired and annoyed about playing Captain Picard sitting on the bridge. He wanted to do more action, and to get off the ship more often. So the writers wrote Picard leading this mission as a way to appease Patrick Stewart.
Its sad. There is a skit of Ricky Gervais where Steward is basically saying "Picard, like James Bond in Space, he goes around and has all these women and adventures".
Then he made Star Trek: Picard, where Jean Luc Picard is basically a stupid Space Cowboy.
It made sense for Kirk, but Picard was never written like that. Riker was the Space Cowboy. And Steward hated that. He wanted to be the cool edgy superhero.
He probably made any involvement into Star Trek contingent on him being the James Bond Space Hero, otherwise he wouldn't do it.
That's how we ended up with the atrocity that is Star Trek: Picard.
I loved the character Picard. I sadly have lost respect for Steward as an actor, because his ego was more important than the role he was supposed to play.
Look at how most other actors cherished and upheld their characters. Just look at how Nimoy always stayed true to what Spock stands for.
What a shame. An old man, wanting to be cool in his final years. Such a waste.
@@livinliciousI completely agree with you. You only have to look at the absolute mess that was Star Trek: Nemesis, and the dune buggy scene to see that. Then as you rightly point out Star Trek Picard, what a disgrace to Star Trek fans that was.
Ironically he thought he was playing a parody of himself in Extras, with Ricky Gervais, but ST Picard ended up a parody thanks to Stewart’s ego.
It’s amazing how that criticism always gets levelled at William Shatner, and yet he was always true to the character of Captain Kirk.
@livinlicious You just said what I wanted to say... Totally agree.
@@livinliciousSadly, when faced with the eventuality of death and oblivion, we all succumb to hubris. They say, 'Time is the fire, in which we burn'. I'm sure you understand.
@@livinlicious So basically your age is supposed to determine what you should be and what you're allowed to do. Is that what you're saying?
Cmdr Rike, we realize no one knows this ship and crew better, you’ve been qualified to be a captain for at least 6 years and you saved us all from the Borg a couple years ago but we need to bring in a new guy for dramatic tension.
And besides, SOMEONE needs to get that counselor of yours to start dressing like an officer.
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Admiral Bitcheyev, she was so bad they made her an admiral before senility or weight issues set in.
@@oddish4352 Exactly
While he saved the Federation from the Borg, it certainly didn't guarantee he would do as well with the Cardassians. Anyone remember a movie called Generations? Anyone remember which bearded dude was in command when the Enterprise was getting its ass handed by an old Klingon Bird of Prey? How did Riker's qualifications work out for him there? They also made it clear why they were bringing in Jellico. Who, by the way, made it obvious that Riker isn't as adaptable to change as would be expected by any officer in Starfleet. Riker looked like a big whiny baby in this episode.
Three things that should have taken place in universe for this plot line:
Sending Picard, Crusher and Worf on a stealth mission is ludicrous.
Transferring the flag to the USS Cairo where the captain and crew have worked, fought and trained together for years (presumably) would have made more sense.
Making the decision to go to war over one system is a decision you must make ahead of time, not after the system has already been taken.
Unfortunately, _Star Trek_ has always (from _TOS_ and into the current -nutrek- regime) used the term "flagship" incorrectly. A flagship is whatever vessel an Admiral or Commodore is _regularly_ stationed to, _not_ whatever ship is the biggest, fastest, merit-able, most powerful, reputable, or most prestigious in the fleet. And even then, a flagship is assigned as the center of a fleet or armada, _not_ for solo missions _per se._
In this case, the _Cairo_ is not a flagship anymore than the _Enterprise-D_ is, because Admiral Nechayev is a passenger, not her regular command ship.
@@EVAUnit4A I agree. And diving into which ship should be a "flagship"...the Galaxy class starships had their asses handed to them by rather nameless foes which made you question how they assigned a starship as the "flagship".
A flagship needs not be a warship, at least in this timeline. The Enterprise-E is a warship, it's smaller, more nimble, has 40% the carrying capacity, but overfitted with weapons.
@@ducminhduong9873 Aside from Quantum Torpedoes I'm not sure it's overfitted, unless you're referring to other weapons that weren't mentioned in First Contact.
@@EVAUnit4A I always understood Fleetflagship to be a more ceremonial designation based on the prestige of the name Enterprise.
Aside from sending (Picard and his crew on a covert assignment for no reason) this is easily one of my favorite episodes.
It was just a plot device to get him captured and interrogated. You’re right though, that part of the story doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.
@@matthewcorcoran2891
Actually it does because the fact that Starfleet does things that make no sense makes it like any other workplace where company management leaves a lot to be desired.
Admiral Bitchayev really chewed the scenery, here.
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I would have selected Commander Kayne West, First Officer of the USS Crazy Horse. He has the most experience exploring the vast regions of the Kardashians.
Ha! Clever!
Lol
Where's your comm badge, admiral?
Was just about too say the same thing
I should remind all of you that we received all this information a former Starfleet Captain Ben Maxwell. It turns out all the information he had gathered was correct.
"dominion war starts" - Strarfleet HQ: ".....so Maxwell....want to kick some Cardasisian ass?
@@randomrazr Considering that they needed all hands on deck during the Dominion War and experienced stark manpower stortages, I don't think it's unlikely that they reactivated some "retired" officers with a questionable background.
You're right. In fact he may have been understating the situation based on what is seen on DS9. Starfleet seriously screwed up by not listening to Captain Maxwell's warnings.
While assigning jellico was a good idea, the rest of the decisions Necheyev made revealed her to be as incompetent as hell. Sending the co of the fleet's flagship with only 2 other officers into enemy territory based solely on a rumor was nothing short of stupid.
TNG worked hard to remove the trope of the red shirts always dying from the classic series, and replaced it with "all admirals are idiots/villains"
If they REALLY wanted to send the Cardassians a message, they should have sent Captain Maxwell to negotiate.
The Admiral could very easily have brought Ronnie Cox on as a consultant only, and left Riker in charge of the Enterprise.😮
I am not sure how well it would have looked to have a commander negotiate with a cardassian Gul. Does not exactly give the impression that the Federation really cares about those planets if a captain can't be bothered with the matter 😀
@@gildor8866 Does Joe Biden have his limo driver do the negotiations for him? A Captain helms a ship; they're not ambassadors.
Adding another "link" in the chain of command only adds delays. Riker clearly wasn't the man for the job.
Rike was a good character... Picar was too.
please tell us more!
So was LaForg, Dat, Tro, Dr. Crushe, and Guina.
@@cleekmaker00Guinea pig?
@@matthewcorcoran2891 I think he was going for Guinan...or maybe some random red shirted ensign named Guina.
@@cleekmaker00 What about wesle?????
I really hated Jellico at the start. But at the end it turned out he made an already good crew even better. fantastic writing.
There's your district manager right there
The Beard should have been courtmartialed after Rascals showed that hes lazy, complacecent and inept. They knew he wasnt for the Chair and Jellico was the man.
I love how Mr.Plinkett pronounces her name!
Nechayev was the admiral you loved to hate.
Shame in a way, as would have loved to have heard more of her backstory in the show, she was an intriguing character whenever on screen.
......and wanted to bone
Never was a fan of Nechayev, but in this scene I like the ways she shuts Riker right up! LOL!
Riker did get humbled in this episode.
@@Twister6424 Maybe his ego was a bit bruised but at the same time sending Picard, Worf, and Crusher on a covert wild goose chase doesn't exactly justify her reasons for the reassignment. That was made obvious when Nechayev threatened to replace Captain PIcard again for not mercilessly destroying the Borg as was originally planned in the episode I, Borg.
They should have given O'Brien a field promotion to captain and let him negotiate a peace accord.
in that case why not also give Wesley Crusher a field promotion to captain and give him command of his own ship since we're so eager to create captains out of thin air all of a sudden.
Admiral Nechayev a.k.a. ADMIRAL KAREN OF STARFLEET.
Do tell. How is she a Karen?
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The admiral lack her combadge.
You're missing the R in Riker
Commander Iker?
@@simontodd8170 video title says Rike
I'm sure Nechayev would make a wonderful, meek, quiet wife.....😂😂😂😂
The admirals Point is valid as riker only prior experience with the cardassians came during the wounded episode and he isn’t the diplomat Picard is. So bringing in jellico to take charge and negotiate with the cardassians was logical.
Has the Enterprise always been the Federation’s flagship?
Yep.
@@StarInbound Nope. In TOS she was just one of Twelve Starships.
@@cleekmaker00 But there can only be one flagship. And the Enterprise always found itself on the front lines. The Yamato and the Odessey were also galaxy class starships, but they were not the Federation's flagship.
Counterpoint- to all of you. A flagship is not a prestigious or 'best' or prized ship. A flagship is literally the ship in a fleet, force, group, etc., that flies the flag of that group's command/commander, or, the command ship. Usually, an admiral's flag- hence the name, "flagship"- though it could be a commodore or something.
By proper naval terminology, if the Enterprise hosts the fleet/task force/whatever commander, then it is the flagship. Otherwise, it is a ship, no matter its comparative reknown or import. If the admiral transfers to another ship but otherwise retains the same massed command, then that ship becomes the flagship.
I hate that Star Trek so abuses this term to just mean "bestest, most favoritest" like this.
Star Trek the next generation is class I love watching it
Admiral's combadge is missing.
Also, if i recall, after this episode, Troi stayed in uniform on the bridge for the rest of the series.
Tori’s actress insisted on it. Wearing the uniform made her feel like she actually was a member of Star Fleet instead of eye candy.
Enterprise: Fleet flagship staffed by best people in the Federation.
Starfleet: Outstanding incompetence, staffed by the most disagreeable ignoramuses in the galaxy.
Gotta disagree with you there. This episode made Riker (who always stated the obvious in most episodes) look like a big whiny baby when he couldn't serve effectively as First Officer. If Picard made the same choices as Jellico, I'm sure good old bearded dude would happily swing his leg over many chairs while carrying out Picard's decisions.
Jellico's no nonsense approach was refreshing. It was getting tiring watching many episodes over the series that while the Enterprise can't ALWAYS save the galaxy by itself, the Enterprise and crew can ALWAYS save themselves each time every time. Jellico clearly didn't get to where he did by doing it Picard's way and that's fine, too!
@@Twister6424 Calling Riker a big whiny baby means you can't effectively make a valid comment. And if you think Riker was ineffective serving as First Officer just because he lost his cool with Captain Jellico then by your definition Jellico couldn't serve effectively as Captain because he lost his cool as well. In fact, it got to the point where Counselor Troi had to step in and try to have cooler heads prevail. Of course Jellico took the easy way out and just relieved Commander Riker of his post just like he took the easy way out and used his rank to get his own way with the Enterprise crew instead of actually trying to work with them. What Commander Riker said to Captain Jellico was right on the money. He had the best crew working under him and he treated them like they were raw cadets. Riker said it best, Jellico wasn't a particularly good captain and since he didn't realize how good he had it with the Enterprise he wasn't a particularly good fit for the Enterpise crew not the other way around. Can't really blame Riker for insisting on protection for Captain Picard because he knew that if the Cardassians had killed Picard, chances would've been very good that Jellico might've gotten a permanent posting as Captain of the Enterprise and we know just how excited Riker and the crew would've been had that happened especially after the response Jellico got after saying "it was an honor serving with you". With that being said, I kind of agree with Jellico's position of keeping the Federation off the hook and allowing Picard alone to take the fall because I believe Picard would've done the same thing. Take the fall himself and kept the Federation off the hook to avoid a war. It's what a previous Captain of the Enterprise had done numerous times. In other words, how Captain Jellico handled it tactically was a 7 or 8 but how he handled the Enterprise crew, I'd give him a 2 or a 3. You see Captain Jellico didn't want a crew of free thinkers to work with, he wanted robots that would be at his beck and call 24/7 without question. That's why having Data assigned as his First Officer was perfect for him but rest assured if Data's algorithms had told him in any way that Jellico was needlessly endangering the crew you can bet your positrons Data would not have hesitated to speak up and with calm logic instead of emotional outbursts.
@@johnnybravado7141 So you can say what you want about Jellico...but who was in command? Rank has its privileges, my dude. Jellico may have lost his cool, but Riker wasn't in charge nor was he calling the shots. And Jellico was already an experienced Captain...so how does Riker rate against this again and how does this matter?
If time is of the utmost importance, which it was in this episode, then anyone would have had Riker relieved since there was no time to deal with his nonsense. Do you actually believe stroking Riker's ego would suddenly make him do his job? If so, then that too is a flaw on Riker.
Riker's statements to Jellico was unusual because his own experience with the Borg should have demonstrated that he needs people on their game (which is why he chose Shelby and not Data as First Officer).
I won't comment on your rating system as it's subjective. And I'm not sure how you know that Jellico doesn't want free thinkers...but you're welcome to point that out in the episode. It has been awhile since I've seen the episode.
I do like your point about Data...it supports why Riker was relieved--he didn't employ calm logic or try to adapt to Jellico's orders. Or as I said, a whiny baby. He simply said Jellico's orders can't be done...yet it was done by the very people that Riker was supposed to lead, otherwise there would have been no reason to relieve Riker. (If my comment "whiny baby" truly bothers you, then I'd advise not reading other people's comments about Riker in the episode. I put it nice compared to others.) Rest assured, our dude Riker flexed his XO muscles under Picard...but under Jellico, he came up way short. In fact, Riker didn't measure up as he claimed that everyone that serves on the Enterprise needs to in the episode "Ensign Ro." A little hypocrisy does make Riker more human, but flawed nonetheless. Clearly, Jellico made the right choice relieving him. Maybe that's why he wasn't ready for the Captain's chair the times that Starfleet pulled it out for him?
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All things being equal....Admiral Necheyev was just amazing at her job lol An admiral not part of a main cast that is professional, studious, strict, somewhat of a hardass, has no grandiose agenda to single handedly save the federation. Has no machievellian alliances with mysterious intel group. She is a woman doing a job. And doing it well. She represents the Federation not herself.
She is anti thesis to the Badmirals disease
Admiral Bitchayev LMFAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
RIP Cairo. You'd have thought Jellicoe would have remained in command or at least had her as his flag ship if he was promoted come the time of the Dominion war.
Ive always hated having families on The Enterprise.
The premise of this two parter has always been silly. Remember, Starfleet is sending on a high risk covert inflitration operation with a high risk of catastrophic failure:
- the eldery captain of the most presitgious ship in the fleet. A captain which is a skilled negotiator and diplomat and who has vast knoledge of the inner workings of Starfleet.
- the chief medical officer of said ship - who is also the former head of Starfleet medical.
- the chief of security, the only klingon in the fleet and who has ties to the current leadership of the klingon empire.
They could have thought of a better way to get Picard captured by the Cardies...
Jellico gets a bad rap but he was a good captain. I wouldn’t have given Riker command. The boy didn’t want it
Im quite certain a team specialized kn covert ops wouldve been a better choice than picard , crusher, and worf
"Rike"? This was posted 19 hours ago! When is he going to fix that?!
Captain Jellyhole is given command.......
Jellico showed the flaws in Riker.
@@Twister6424 More like the other way around.
@@johnnybravado7141 Sure Jellico isn't perfect but Riker wasn't calling the shots and he sure missed his opportunity to prove his versatility in working with other proven Starfleet officers. Who looks bad in this episode? Here's a hint--Jellico wasn't relieved of his duties. So...I'm sorry, what was your point?
@@Twister6424 The only thing Riker missed out on was having to kiss Jellico's pips and brass for the rest of the mission. He still got to fly the shuttlecraft to lay out those mines which would've happened anyway whether he was relieved or not since he was the best man for the job regardless of what Jellico thought of him. Couple that with Jellico having to swallow his pride and a mouthful of truth from Riker before growing a set and asking Riker to fly the shuttlecraft when originally he wanted Geordi to fly it. Add Riker re-instated as First Officer on Picard's return to command along with Jellico being met with dead silence after saying what an honor it was to serve with them after treating the crew like crap. Add to that total Riker getting command of the USS Titan years later and you tell me who looked bad in the episode. Here's a hint- it wasn't Riker or any of the crew.
Nice try but you should already know you're already way in over your head in debating with me so why don't you do the simple and honorable thing and just walk away from this. I never back down and I never lose so to say you were at a disadvantage would be an understatement. it would be more correct to say you had nothing going your way in this debate. It's like bringing a knife to a gunfight. You didn't bring the right weapons so you were already in it to lose.
Where is her comm badge?
They couldn’t give Ryker command because he would have gone to war to save Picard if Picard’s mission failed, which it did.
Don’t listen to her, she’s an impostor. Look closely at her uniform.
Yeah, kinda noticed she's missing a communicator.
So good to finally see someone stand up to Rikers ego. And it must have just killed him that it was a woman
why the hate? You really should give a more respectful comment.
@@stfi7566 only when she was right and most of the times she wasn't .
I can't forgive Jellicoe for stopping Troi from wearing sexy outfits
Of course Nechayev’s the one responsible for all this
Thank you very much, April 5, 2063, for uploading this crappy clip of Star Trek where a person with such High ranking official like Commander Dexter did with Captain Kirk and Science Officer Spock like the Admiral overranked herself to Commander William Riker.
Any copying of my comments is illegal and against the law.
Please have a nice day today. ™
"i said incursion, not war! so anyway, we might go to war"
Who is Rike? Ricky? Commander Ricky?
Who is "Rike"?
I think she treated Riker very badly for no reason, considering he saved their collective asses from the collective (Borg). He deserved more respect then that.
Jellico: Alienates the one man capable of carrying out his plan because of his own arrogance and inflexability.
Rank Ass-Kissers: "Boy, this man really knows how to command a ship!"
Jellico was out of his depth and waded onto a far superior vessel with a far superior crew and thought his style wouldnt need adjusting.
Ive seen the same thing from managers of teams. Always ends in embarassment.
The turnip face, the admiral of infinite turnips.
Screw the DEI this show promoted… never heard of this desk chair Admiral fighting alongside Picard or anyone else… yet she got the Rank ….
I mean, the show isn't about the admirals, goes without saying that you don't see the service record that led to their promotion. One can, however, reasonably presume that she earned the rank just as much as any other admiral in Starfleet did. Put another way, would you say the same about, say, Admiral Ross of Star Trek DS9, or Forrest in Enterprise? Because we never saw either of them actually fighting alongside anyone either.
I hate Riker in this episode. Everything he did or said was wrong. He is lucky that Jellico was a level headed guy who isnt controlled by his own ego.
Agreed, he was sulky and unprofessional.
Well said!
I get what you just said. I don't think those two did. That much is obvious.
@@matthewcorcoran2891 you are completely clueless. You totally missed the point of abravado's comment.
@@Twister6424 Abravado's point went right past you. Can't say I'm surpised.
Who has the most experience with the Kardashians
Rike?
Who is Rike?
Riker, you should have grabbed one of those captaincies…though not 5he Melbourne…
The Kardashians are always stirring shit up!
Jellico was the best Captain
The best at WHAT?
I call him Jelly Donut 🍩.
Perhaps as a wartime CO he could be okay. But as a CO of a exploration ship he was terrible
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@@minneiskianspare the rod spoil the child
@@minneiskianThat’s a good point. Shame Jellico didn’t make an appearance in Deep Space Nine during the Dominion war.
Is it just me or is Admiral Nechayev smokin hot?
She's like Sandy Duncan's ornery sister. I'd let her spank me with a ping pong paddle
Why not send Gellico ? He was a real P.O.S. .
What the fedefation did to their own citizens (maquis) is shitty
Women like this admiral are
the reason why
Men Go Their Own Way.
Nogulich is playing what a 90s feminist thinks being in charge looks like. Body language, posture, stance, movements - blindingly obvious.
@@sammencia7945 Thats not the actress, thats the directors fault. The admiral should not be walking around the table, she should be sitting in the chair at the head of the table from the start. But I guess somebody decided that would be to static. Also Nechayev doesn't mention a very good reason why Riker can't be leading the negotiations: he rank and status as an XO (unlike Sisco, who is a commander but has his own command) are insufficent for the negotiations.
BTW: Nechayev was one of those admirals who were written as being competent instead of just idiots or troublemakers.
She direct and professional. Riker kept refusing a captain's chair on another vessel, and he didn't have the knowledge to deal with the Cardassians. She was a gem of an admiral.
@@dadevi Well said!
@@sammencia7945 I see your logic, but I don't agree with your conclusion. If a dude was doing exactly what you blame Admiral Nechayev of doing...would that make it OK?
Would you want an Admiral that didn't know how to lead and always deferred to the adversary when it came to authority?
I swear I couldn't stand that admiral, she irked the holy spirit out of me
American "Federation"🤥
Appearently Admiral Nechayev doesn't realize that the next in command is William Riker and not whom she thinks is fit.
My personal point of view is that he can talk to Starfleet hoping that they will listen to him.
Please post only positive comments over here. ™
I'm quite certain, Admiral Nechayev knew who was next in command.
"Next in command" doesn't always translate into "best person to deal with the situation."
Nechayev, as admiral in who's chain of command the Enterprise lies, has every right to choose someone else to command the Enterprise over William T. Riker. This is simply how military rank structures work.
XO don't inherit the rank of captain on the same ship. They had to take commamd elsewhere, and then come back. She did the right thing. And Riker had refused a promotion several times already. This lit a fire under his ass that he needed.
And what's your professional point of view?
Is it just me, or is Admiral Nechayev smoking hot?
She is smoking hot.
Admiral DEI 🙄🤡
Will always love TNG, but a lot of this shit was wayyy over dramaticized Lmao
who's Rike?
Appearently Admiral Nechayev doesn't realize that the next in command is William Riker and not whom she thinks is fit.
My personal point of view is that he can talk to Starfleet hoping that they will listen to him.
Please post only positive comments over here. ™
It didn’t make sense for all the upheaval of a temporary Captain. Why not just send the USS Cairo, as Jellico was it’s captain?
What's wrong with negative comments?
I have to disagree here. First: the command of the Enterprise is a slot for a captain, not a commander. Having Riker being acting captain while Picard is away is ok, but Nechayev can also assign another captain if she thinks the situation requires it. And Riker is not qualified to lead the negotiations simply by being only a commander and not having a command of his own.
Sentences aren't paragraphs unto themselves. Please go back to elementary school and learn the difference.
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what's wrong with ppl's right to choose? if he doesn't want negative comments then don't post negative comments. you can make your points without posting negative comments assuming you know what that means.