What you Didn’t Know about the Amazing DC-3!
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We have seen that the Comet was the first jetliner, and that the 707 was the jet that defined the shape of several generations of jetliners that followed. But before all this, there was a humble piston-engined aircraft that managed to persevere for years, AFTER the arrival of the jet age.
Not only that, but for at least one generation, maybe more, this was THE aircraft that everyone got their first taste of flying in. Either in peace, or at war. And if some of these planes stick around for another decade and a half or so, they could be flying for ONE - HUNDRED - YEARS.
This is the story of the iconic and wonderful Douglas DC-3 - and how it almost didn’t leave the drawing board.
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21:43 Although the DC3 is described as an all metal airplane, it had fabric covered control surfaces. I was surprised the first time I was close to one, while I was taking flight instruction in 1968.
FYI, the K in Knute in silent so it's pronounced 'Newt Rock-knee'
Petter, another great video.
I'm wondering, could you do one on the also much loved and still in use Pilatus Porter?
We used to get carried around Papua new Guinea when I was a baby in the 60s by them and they're still flying up there today 🙂👍
Ground news is already skewed. All articles belong at least one column to the left.
@@edwardloebl3278 That was common in that era. I know the C54/ DC4 also had fabric controls. In 1961 wile stationed at RAF Bovingdon I was loaned to the fabric shop. The spare C47 fight controls in the warehouse (Denham Studios) were testing bad. The fabric used was grade A cotton. I had the same thought you must have. I told one of the NCOs it looked flimsy. He walked me out to the hanger bay. He held the rudder on an aircraft and told me to punch it. Well I could not damage it. Each individual part of an aircraft looks flimsy. Assembled they act together and do the job. The problem with fabric is mold or UV. The UV is blocked by the aluminum powder in the upper dope layers. A lot has been done by patented polyester fabric processes and fabric covereing can last much longer.
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The good old Diesel 3. It's what I got my professional wings in. I retired a long time ago, and now I'm too deaf, blind, and forgetful to fly anything. But shoot that was a wonderful bird. I eventually graduated to Convair 580's, and finished up on the first generation of 737's. I'd be lost in the cockpit of a modern 737. To me, GPS almost seems like cheating. Aviation just gets better and safer all the time. Glad you young pups have it like you do. Bet you'll be as amazed as I am when you get to be my age. Life is one big gee whiz.
Awesome to have you here on the channel, it’s an honor sir.
Great comment Chompy much respect
My first flight as a passenger was on a Frontier Airlines Convair 580 from Powell, Wyoming to Billings, Montana USA in 1960. I was six years old. That began my love affair with flying. I was waaay too nearsighted to qualify as a pilot back in the day, so I have just spent a significant portion of my disposable income on tickets ever since 😂 Thank you, sir, for being one who flew the rest of us around the world. We are grateful.
I salute you, Sir!
@@mosessupposes2571 FrontTire is the carrier which I used to fly for. In 1960 I was flying the 580, but mostly out of the now non-existent Stapleton International Airport which was for awhile our hub of operations. I mostly flew a milk run from Stapleton to Lincoln, NE via every town on the way, or flew over the continental divide from Stapleton to Gunnison, CO, and then on to Montrose and Grand Junction. In those days and in the smaller airlines, the fellas at the top used us more like railroads in the sky than airlines. I remember hearing one old timer explain that the reason they called our short hop stop at every small town a milk run was that at one time, they literally picked up cans of milk, eggs, and other produce, and flew them to the bigger cities for processing. If they drove them there, it took to long, and between the amount of time it took and the heat of the Great Plains in the summer, they'd loose a lot shipping it on a surface route. It was cooler up at altitude, and much faster, so stuff would get there in much better condition. They didn't have factory farms back then, and there wasn't nearly the amount of goods going from point A to point B, so they could do that and not need a special cargo flight. By the time I was into it, they weren't shipping milk that way anymore, but I do remember carrying baby chicks for ranchers, and on one occasion we had to share the cabin with some guy's prize boar which was on its way to the Nebraska State Fair in Lincoln. In the DC-3 we only had a curtain between us and the passenger area. That pig stunk up the cabin so bad our eyes were watering even up in the cockpit. I think just about every passenger complained, and so did I. I got on the horn to corporate and told 'em how the cows ate the cabbage, and that they should probably require people to charter an aircraft in future if they wanted to ship livestock any bigger than a dog or a cat or else we were going to lose market share to United (which was our primary competition at the time). They ended up doing just that, and for many years the winning bull which was kept for a few days at the Brown Palace Hotel had a sign in front of it which said, "Flown to Denver on Frontier Airlines." Before that we hadn't flown cattle, but it worked out great because the Ranchers were proud to have a prize bull that was worth flying to Denver and Back on an airplane. They'd make their kids hitch hike to college, but nothing was too good for their prize bull.
Get me going and I'll go all day. Guess I'd better quit before I bore people right off their rockers.
May the angels fly on your shoulders.
"In 1957, a USAF DC-3 ran out of gas over Missouri. Everyone bailed out and made it to the ground safely. The DC-3 glided over the horizon and made a perfect, UNASSISTED LANDING IN A CORNFIELD!!!" What a great aircraft.
Thanks Mentour, what a wonderful history of a wonderful airplane.
WOW!
AN-2: Challenge accepted 😅
Wow!
As did the "Cornfield Bomber" Delta Dart F-106 that landed in a Montana cornfield after the pilot bailed out. It was still running and suffered only minor damage. After it was repair it went back into service.
Who needs autopilot?
An aircraft engineer here in New Zealand reminised that the DC3 was affectionatly referred to as 40,000 rivets flying in formation.
We used to call the Bristol Freighter the same thing in the RNZAF.
Heard this applied to thr Shackleton too!
C130 Hercules 60,000(?) flying rivets, but not always in formation.
Mike, does the letters NAC mean anything to you?
@@itsadogslife...8825 Yep that was what our national airline was called before it became Air New Zealand. NAC National Airways Corporation.. I flew ON NAC, and still remember it well.
When I was in A&P school, we were told, "You'll never see this when you are out in the field. "...talking about PD Carbs, prop govoners, hydromatic propellers, etc. I paid attention because I loved it. Two years later, my first job was at an airline with 4 DC-3s, a Convair 340, and a Convair 440. Best start to career I could have imagined. ❤️👍
You were SO lucky to get that experience! I flew the DC-3 and Beech 18 in the 1970s and had a total of 4,000 hours combined in those 2 old airplanes. I was also a the chief pilot of a commuter airline, company check airman and ground school instructor and taught radial engines to my pilots. Great experiences, like you had.
Flew in a C-47 a few years ago with my Dad for his birthday. Since he was a WW2 vet they had him sign his name inside. It was truly a great experience for our family. Love you Dad RIP.
A fitting tribute!
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😢 I understand what you mean !
Aww 🥰. God bless our WWII Vets.
My mother's first flights were in a DC-3, between England and Rhodesia. It took three days or so. The pilot went low-level in places, so the passengers could see some game.
Wow! Awesome
@@gordonfreeman1359”erm, wrong exit Captain”
I flew for Air Rhodesia too, on the DC3. 29 seats, I cabin crew, 2 pilots. When we took veterans anywhere they used to sing and bang their feet on the floor….the floor was wood and they had to desist at risk of going through it.
Wonderful aircraft. Thanks for article.
Yeah, video games are great. Game? What?! These years were analog as hell. Games?
@@6666munchione of my relatives may have shot down a Rhodesian C47
My mother was a stewardess (before the days of flight attendants!) for Eastern Airlines from 1952-1958. During that time she crewed on both DC-3s and Super Constellations. She felt that she had flown on virtually every DC-3 operated by Eastern, so most likely had worked the one hanging in the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, DC. She told stories of flying NYC to Miami routes where they'd have stops at major cities along the coast-- DC, Charleston, Savannah, etc. Back then there was a full meal service on each leg of the flight and, as there was only one stewardess, the co-pilot would leave the cockpit to assist with the meal service!
As always, thanks for sharing your expertise by creating these videos!
When I was living in Asia, the DC3 was commonly used for short runs such as between Baguio and Manila. I also flew in a DC2 from Vientiane in Laos to Bangkok in 1966. My favorite memory of the DC3 was that the runway at Baguio was too short to really get flying and since it was a mountain top, the plane just flew over the edge and gained speed on the way down until it was able to fly. Scary the first time but interesting after that.😆
My first ride in a DC3 was in 1968. Took off in it but was not in it when it landed
Ya that was my first Jump. AIRBONE
Yes! I was aboard one on a round trip flight from Manila to Baguio in 1989, only way to fly into Baguio Airport even in 1989, it was cold, foggy, and rainy when we landed in Baguio, what a system shock after the sunny heat of Manila
Wow! That made me laugh! I'll bet it was indeed scary the first time. Just drive off a cliff and wait.....ha! I'll bet it was fun after that!
It is said that the only plane that could replace a DC-3 is a DC-3
And that’s likely true!
@@MentourNow I believe Basler owns the DC-3 type certificate and can now manufacture original parts, which means they could build whole new ones, although they simply make the parts they need. Now if they could build the R-1830's new, all the rough field operators would be good for the next 100 years. The Basler turbine conversion, a great aircraft, is simply too expensive for the operators.
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@@caferacer3539 smort
Actually the Convairliners came the closest to replacing the DC-3 with over 1100 aircraft built.
I think this was one of the most beautiful aircraft ever built. Something about the shape.
Fitness for purpose, as my old woodwork teacher used to hammer into us. In other words,if if looks right, it IS right!
The DC-2 and 3 did more to change the world than any other aircraft. They got America flying again after the Knute Rockne tragedy, they helped move both people and freight all over the country, they played a big part in helping win World War II in both theatres, they were in regularly scheduled service longer than any other aircraft, and helped make flying places the transportation method of choice. I also think they were one of the most beautiful aircraft ever built, but I might just be a tiny bit biased, since that was the first bird I piloted commercially. There have been a lot of other great birds designed, but that one really cuts a line on the dance floor.
They sure are pretty. Just sitting in a hanger it looks like it wants to be in air.
Just a happy 😃 looking little plane ✈️
This plane embodies the romance of air travel.
Thank you for this history lesson. As a boy in Zambia, Air Zambia used DC-3's. We flew from Ndola to Kasaba Bay on the southern tip of Lake Tanzania. On the way we stopped 3 times on grass strips to drop off or pick up passengers. The air field at Kasaba Bay was another grass strip which the pilots first had to buzz to clear the wildlife off so they could land. I have very fond memories of watching the wings bouncing as we trundled down the runway until suddenly they became still as the ground dropped away.
This plane, DC3 has a very special place in my childhood memory. It was used very widely in my country in Asia during the 1960s. I remember very fondly my first ride on a DC 3 along with my mother. I was probably eight years old then. It flew quite low, hugging the mountains and the valleys, the pilots obviously were flying by terrain visual mappaing in this mountainous country. The biggest surprise and treat was when I as an eight year old boy then was invited in to the cockpit by the captain who was an American or a Canadian and who went by the name of " captain King". I sat on a stool just behind and in between the captain and the co pilot. There is one particular incident that as I recall now that frightens me. The captain actually smoked during the flight and not only that he flicked open the side small window and threw out the butt at the end of his smoking session. Just behind that window was I could see the propellar. I did not think much of that incident then but now when I understand its implications, it frightens the shit out if me. I also remember that at the beginning of the flight we were offered sweets (lemon drops) and cotton wool (ear plugs, due to high level of sound inside). DC 3 sound is like a continuous drone during flight and definitely needs those cotton plugs.
Back in the early '90's I was part of a group that chartered a DC-3 from Sydney's Bankstown airport to a regional airport (for an event) a couple of hundred kilometres away, and back again. The flights were amazing. The plane felt like a bucket of bolts, as the saying goes. The fuselage shook, the windows rattled, and the door seals had rotted to the point where you could see outside. This was the first time I'd been on a propeller aircraft, and I was struck by how quiet the landing was, because there was no jet-engine-reverse-thruster noise. It was a fantastic experience.
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In the 1980s I skydived out of DC-3 and manifested loads of skydivers at Rutherford NSW. The pilot was a taxi driver in Maitland and our flights were scheduled around RPT (regular passenger transport) flights at Rutherford. So Miles (who apparently had been flying twin-engine aircraft since 1943) drove taxis, then arrived at the airfield to a see a load of skydivers getting into his aircraft. Then we took off and did a few jumps, till Miles had to go back to his taxi.
As he was also a DC-3 check pilot, Miles also took junior pilots up and had them do procedures after we got out of the aircraft.
So sometimes, the aircraft came back with one or both engines off. A very quiet landing approach, which had our complete attention.
Wonderful days.
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This is gotta be one of the most beautiful airplanes ever, just iconic
It certainly is elegant and evocative of a brighter past
Couldn't agree more.
You ain't lying....❤️
DC-3 is one of my favorite planes to fly. I flew one once in Africa on an animal rescue mission. There was a sick Rhino that needed to be life flighted. Summabitchin thing woke up because it wasn't tranquilized enough and the plane started swaying. I didn't think we were going to make it but we did. Man what a blast!
Love the DC3. A year after my discharge from army aviation, 1972, I got the chance to copilot a converted C47 to Mexico from southern California. We flew low, and I was amazed at how it handled. It was a seat of the pants beast, but it did what you told it.
Thanks for these great videos.
I think that just about everyone who came of age during the Viet Nam War era remembers the DC-3/C-47 as "Puff the Magic Dragon" ....a truly iconic version!
Always interesting to hear about the DC3. That was the first airliner I flew when when I joined Trans Australia Airlines (TAA, in 1964). We flew all over Australia including a charter to what was then Portuguese Timor. Two years later I Joined Canadian Pacific Airlines, making the huge jump to the DC8 series. (It was one of CPA's DC8s that broke the sound barrier)
The DC3 was the perfect muscle memory trainer. Some of the cattle station hops involved a dozen different dirt runway landings a day. That tail dragger taught me how to fly. Thank you for the trip down memory lane.
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DC8. Just as Great! Too bad they scrapped the supersonic one. Love all Douglas aircraft. You're privileged to have flown the 2 best DCs
@@michaelosgood9876 Thanks. By now, I think they would have all been scrapped.
@@aeomaster32 Look up Buffalo Airlines in Arctic Canada.
VERY WELL DONE! And this from a highly experienced former DC-3 pilot. Excellent and totally accurate history lesson. I am so proud to have the coveted DC-3 type rating on my Airline Transport Pilot License next to the ones for the B-737, B-757, and B-767. I was so fortunate to fly in the 1970s not only the DC-3, but the Beech 18 as well, which I flew on contract mail flights at night and in scheduled passenger service. The 1970s were the last decade where radial engine airplanes were routinely flown in commercial air service. Most of that was on airmail flights at night for the US Post office, and freight. I refer the 1970s as the trailing edge of the golden era of aviation.
I flew the 737 300/400/800, 767 200/300, 747 100, 200, 300, & 400. (And not in that chronological order.)
The one other aeroplane that I didn’t ever fly, and wish I had, was the brilliant old DC3.
@@FutureSystem738 Well said! But still, you have had an amazing career flying REAL airplanes, Boeings! Wish we could have flown the DC-3 together.
Some of the pilots that flew us sky diving and they flew mail also. I have hundred of jumps out of the Beech 18 and the DC3 I love jumping out of the DC3 I was in a DC3 when we lost an engine we had 36 jumpers on board and we didn't loose one bit of altitude and it was able to fly back over the airport so we could all get out and they flew it all the way to Okland and landed on 1 engine.
As a kid in the 80s, i used to see these land and take off at my hometown airport in Colombia.
I'm not surprised they've stuck around. They come from a particular era of flight, where we knew a lot about the kind of forces we needed to withstand, but couldn't yet model them accurately enough to have a relatively small safety margin... so they ended up built like a flying rhino. Add being able to land and take off pretty much anywhere you can put a flat stretch of dirt, and you get a machine that isn't flashy but *will* get the job done.
of course by "relatively small" I mean "incredibly wide by ground equipment standards" 😂
What has kept them around also is the fact that the us massively over produced spare parts during WW2, to the extent that still today there are warehouses full of new in the box spare parts. The engines could be rebuilt or purchased new at a very low cost (comparatively) for the same reasons, so in addition to the airplanes basic great qualities, this is what has kept it in commercial service for so many years...
Here's a few extra fun facts;
Buffalo Airlines, a cargo and passenger service that operates in Canada's Northwest territories, operates the DC-3 with its original piston engines as a cargo hauler alongside the Curtiss C-46 and the Lockheed L-188 "Electra".
They also operate the DC-6 as a passenger service.
I think they retired the DC-6s completely some years ago, and stopped flying passengers in them long before that.
Do they fly to Anchorage? I've seen one in Aviation Videography's videos from there.
@@maryeckel9682 Most of Buffalo's operations are in the northwest territories of Canada, but it wouldn't be too farfetched to think they can and do fly to parts of the USA including Anchorage, Alaska on occasion.
I mean heck, they flew two amphibious firefighting planes to Turkey at one point!
Yes the Ice Pilots. I loved watching that series.
@@grizzlygrizzlesure enjoyed that series! THAT'S real flying!!!
Back in the mid-60's (I was 4 years old at the time), a DC-3 made an emergency landing in our corn field. We cleared enough room for it to take off again, and the tech's had it ready to go three days later. I have never found any news articles on it, but the neighbors still remember it. We jokingly call the corn field "The Official Douglas Field". Had about 200 people watch it take off... I doubt you could do that with an A-380.....
Back in the mid-70s I got into sport parachuting, and the drop zone where I was training, had a C-47 visit for the weekend as there was a skydiving tournament taking place, and I remember the excitement when our jump-master told us our class had been invited to jump from the C-47. But dash -- at the last second, we were switched to a Cessna instead. All these decades later I still remember the disappointment, and I never had the opportunity again. She was then, and remains to this day, one classy lady.
That was simply fantastic! Cheers from Sydney, Australia
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As a World War 2 baby, I grew up loving the DC-3, and I still love it today. This was a wonderful video. And kudos for mentioning Mikey and Joe McBryan and Buffalo Air.
You might have included the incredible story of a DC-3 that was stranded at some small airfield during a war with a damaged wing. They somehow scavanged up a wing from a DC-2, grafted it into the DC-3, and flew the plane out of there.
I think that may have taken place in China. I have seen a picture of that aircraft in--I think--a book about the Flying Tigers and the USAAF operations that followed.
The DC2.5. And how many people did it carry out in that condition. Mikey McBryans Plane Saver series has the story on that.
Often called the DC 2 1/2. A remarkable aircraft.
There was no need to "graft" it on. Both wings shared the same root rib, it bolted right on. Equally amazing is that the wing was simply strapped to the underside of another DC3 and flown to the crippled aircraft to be installed.
I've flown in a DC-3 a few times in the arctic. It's a truly great piece of technology. I will never not love this plane.
Flew with my parents to Bermuda in 1953 in one. My Dad was TDY flying through hurricanes. The pilot allowed me to take the controls, which I happily did. But, alas, it was time to set up for the landing when things went terribly wrong (for me). You see, the first officer wanted to take his seat back only I, in my 3 year old brain, had decided the seat was rightfully mine since I had loved nearly half the flight in the right seat. A minor disagreement between me and the flight crew initiated, and when both my parents came down on the flight crews side, we'll, my Dad ended up up taking some extra webbing strap and safely securing me into one of those uncomfortable jump seats.
I Remer it so well because the metal bar across the front of the seat was directly under my legs, and when you're strapped down tight, they hurt!
I love how Buffalo Joe is still using them.
I've flown the DC-3 few times recently. Im going to fly on it again next month. My route is EFHK-EFTP-EFVA-EFJM-EFHK.
It is an over 80 year old DC-3 flying for Airveteran (registered OH-LCH) It was originally delivered for Pan Am and has then operated for U.S airforce, Finnair and finnish airforce. It is the last airworthy DC-3 in Finland. It flies sightseeing flights in Finland and some flights to Estonia.
Hi Petter, my father flew DC3's for TAA here in Australia. He flew them in &out of cattle stations in the outback of Australia, sometimes not even raising the under carriage as they would be landing again soon. He also flew DC4's , Viscounts, Electra's, DC9's, 727's, & finally the Airbus A300 before retiring. TAA became Australian Airline before merging into Qantas. Dad always said the DC3 was one of his favorites. Cheers Peter from Oz
Greetings - I also flew DC-3's when I joined Ansett-ANA as a new FO in June 1964. I ended up with 500 hours on the type before switching to the DC-4.
I still have very fond memories of the DC-3 and operations to various country airports around Victoria and Tasmania., as well as night freighter flights to places like King Island where we used to land on a flare path. It was/is such a good aircraft.
@@Ted-Hanoi Hi Ted, Dad always said the DC-3 was a favourite of his. I never went in the DC-3 with him but rode quite a few times in the DC-4 Cockpit in the jump seat. Good times😎
Why DC3 still flying? You summed it up brilliantly, "it is slow, flys low, and very dependable." I distinctly remember in the book by Rob Serling, "TWA, the Howard Hughes' Airline" where it presented how first officers (co-pilots) got their start in the airlines. Some captains were good mentours to new airline pilots by showing them the tricks of the trade. Other captains, "don't bother me, go back to the cabin and serve coffee to the passengers!"
I also skydived from DC3s, I was amazed how much room they have. You can stand fully straight up unlike King Airs, Otters, etc. and the cabin was WIDE.
2 things:
1) I thought that the reason for the placement of the Magneto Switches were to prevent the electrical current (and therefor the electric magnetic effect it would create) away from the Compass. (Oh well!)
2) I was also surprised that you didn't mention why the DC-2 & DC-3 wheels didn't fully retract. This was in case of the landing gear failing to extend. That over half of the wheel sticking out would mitigate the damage to the plane in case of a "belly landing., The same goes for most of the planes of that period that had/have retractable landing gear, AND is the reason why the A-10's main landing gear is also exposed!
That’s an awesome little nugget of trivia. Thanks!
There is a good reason the mag switches didn't interfere with the wet compass. The default state of the magnetos was "live" - the switches ground the P leads to kill the mags. When the mags were active there was no current to affect the compass.
Main landing wheels on a B17 do not fully detract for that reason
@@flagmichael : In any case, if current flowed when the switch was on, current in a return wire would cancel the magnetic field from the hot wire and you would still have no effect on the compass.
The magneto switch is actually very close to the compass. There is no problem with electrical current interference.
The magneto switch is located in easy reach of both pilot and copilot. It is located away from the controls used in flight. It is also near, but separated from the main electrical switch panels, so the wiring is run in a common chase. Thus, it is protected from accidental operation, but is still easily accessible when needed.
When considering the visibility from outside the aircraft, it is the ideal location for a great many reasons!
In the late sixties I had a flight booked from Seattle to Sacramento. My ride to the airport was late ( I was 14) and I missed the flight. After some scrambling my step-father (my ride) got me a flight to San Francisco with a connection to Sacramento. The Seattle to S.F. leg was a 727. The flight to Sac. was a DC-3. From start up to landing that plane shook and rattled the whole way. Bouncing up and down and side to side. I thought it was going to come apart. I had already flown on several occasions and I wasn't a nervous flyer but that scared the hell out me. My most memorable flight to date.
Statistically it was probably the safest flight you ever took
You were flying in a plane equipped with 70 year old technology. Crude, simple, effective and sometimes unforgiving
One big factor for their longevity is that they are not a pressurized aircraft. They were also 'overbuilt', using slide rules and designed for rough use. In the 1980's and into the 1990's, they were often used by the drug cartels to bring in drugs from Columbia to the USA. They were also popular and still used for freighters in the Caribbean as good on short, rough runways, haul a truckload and stone cold reliable. A number of them are static displays, including one used for an eating area for a McDonald's in New Zealand, and outside the museum at the original home of Douglas and where many DC-3 and DC-4 series were made adjacent to Santa Monica Airport in the LA area of California.
As to the crash of the Fokker tri-engine you cite, that also led to the beginnings of the US Government crash investigation agencies we have to this day and a prototype of almost all national government crash investigation agencies.
I❤DC-3s forever.
Favorite flight:
Frontier Airlines 1965-6
Denver RT Colorado Springs.
Absolutely thrilling for my 10 year old brain. Turbulence...bumpy... Colorado weather fun. A gorgeous plane.
However,
Connie was & still is my first true ❤.
What a wonderful video. I'm not that old, but the first plane I flew on was an Ethiopian Airlines DC3 from a rugged airport in the 80s.
Very cool!
I remember seeing an hourlong documentary on the development of it over 25 years ago. at the time, there was a regional airline in New York State who flew them because while it was half as fast, their ability to use small airfields meant they could make two trips in the time it took a regional jet to make one (and wait in line to take off and land at the larger airports)
I saw that, the PBS Nova series
Probably Mohawk based out of Albany, NY. I remember flying on their last DC3 in service. Our scheduled aircraft suffered a mechanical in Albany one dark stormy turbulent night, and the 3 was pulled out to complete the flight. To be honest, at the time, it was of those white knuckle rides, but an overriding memory was the comforting rolling rumble of those two radial engines.
I went on to a career in aviation catching the tail end of the radial era with the Beech 18 powered by the P&W 985. The large radial engines had a personality - bucking and snorting, backfiring and possibly spitting flames before springing into life with a deep rolling rumble of the exhaust note. A trusty old work horse friend reluctant to leave the stable, but always up for a good day’s work.
I retired flying turbines and always appreciated their reliability, power, and high altitude performance, but something was missing. Noise had replaced music.
@@myrlstone8904 I flew on an American or United flight from Sacramento to Reno in 1964. It was just chugging upward until it cleared the Sierras, and then the descent into Reno.
-- I wonder if the cockpit layout's being so similar to those of today is an indication that they got the basic ergonomics right back then.
@@grizzlygrizzlecockpit layout is an example of form follows function. The same layout requirements which existed with the 3 still exist today. The right and left panels directly in front of the pilots consist of the primary flight instruments which display information required to actually fly the aircraft - the gyroscope instruments (artificial horizon, direction indicator, & turn and bank)plus airspeed and vertical speed indicator. Additionally here ,one will find navigational displays.
Modern technology has added to and improved on these basics. Each panel is completely independent of the other for redundancy.
The center stack will traditionally include radio and navigation frequency selectors, etc. plus power-plant information displays, fuel quantity etc. The key here being, information or controls which either pilot might access. The lower center - power, prop, mixture, landing gear, flaps, etc. Again either pilot. The left and right side panels primarily housing circuit breakers and switches, in general splitting the management duties between the right and left seat. The overhead likewise with anything which either pilot might monitor or need to access being oriented towards the center.
The DC 3 cockpit built on the aircraft cockpit layouts which preceded it, and modern jetliners continued that process of form follows function abiding to the same basic guidelines. Safety and redundancy with two independent flight displays and division of responsibilities and labor with safety being the overriding factor.
Ergonomics as to do with pilot comfort has little to no bearing on the design.
Loved this one. I have had the pleasure of hundreds of flights in DC-3s and C-47s I was a skydiver for years and ,, as you said,, they were cheap to buy, and cheap to maintain, simple to maintain,, and skydivers could afford the lift costs associated with a DC-3 . But also,,,, They are an incredible plane. With the slight dihedral, the engines pointed in a slight inboard direction,, OMG stable,, easy to fly,, (even for an inexperienced co-pilot) If there was a problem,, they could fly and land at an airport,, lovely birds. I have seen them land on grass,, fly home with one of the jugs leaking oil and on fire,, broken rudder cable and flown directionally with throttle control alone,, They always came home and landed safely on the runway. That balance of sitting deep in the dihedral,, I have only felt on the 767. And that is also just one of the reasons the Gimli Glider brought everyone safely down. Great birds.
My uncle Sander Verburg was flying the DC3 over Amsterdam in the 70s for sightseeing flights. That was my first flight in an airplane. Later on, he worked and flew the DC3 in Africa and he was the pilot for the Dutch movie Dakota which was filmed in Suriname. He started his flying career in the Dutch airforce in training but I believe that he was flushed out because he had a Verburg attitude. Stubborn Dutchman. After that, he flew single-prop airplanes pulling banners and spraying crops till he flew the DC3.
Thank you SO much for honoring the lovely DC-3 with this documentary! It has always been my favorite aircraft, even mystically visiting my dreams, placing me inside as a passenger. How I love the DC-3!
I shall never forget flying to a gravel runway (Barter Island - PABA) on the north coast of Alaska in a DC3 over 40 years ago. At the time I though that an aircraft over 30 years old was very old indeed to be in commercial service but seeing them still flying when they are now more than 70 years old is really something.
Hey Jeremy, I might have been your pilot on that flt. Flew the DEW LINE 63-64 for Wien Airlines. Great airplane.
A humble DC-3 hosted my first commercial flight in 1968. Many people smoked cigarettes at the time, and the armrests of the seats had large built-in ashtrays.
I flew on the DC3 many times. When I was kid, it was used by Boston-Providence Cape Cod airlines. So fun!
Noisy? 🙂
@@huwzebediahthomas9193 Don't remember. Just loved it. Instead of a door it had a canvas net.
Flew in one as a kid in the 80s in Central America. Even as a small kid I remember the remarkable difference of the slanted floor when boarding, amd the dirt airstrip. The plane's silhouette made a memorable impression.
My uncle flew these for Ozark out of St. Louis and loved the plane. A good friend of mine also fondly recalls traveling in these all over Colombia as a child and he saw them propagated all over S. America. Like the King Air, “they got it right.”
Got to fly in one of these for the first time earlier this month. The engine sounds are still a marvel to hear. In actual performance it's impressive how quickly the plane gets airborne and also how smooth the landings can be in good conditions.
as a skydiver i once got to jump 'mr douglas' .. had the twin wasps in her and boy was that some sweet music. i sat right in between 'em for the stereo.. ditto on the sound. only the beech-18 was sweeter 'cuz your closer to the engines..
@@Danstaafl During my first trip to Z-HIlls / Florida in 1986, I had my first skydive from a DC-3. Her name was "Bird Machine". The owner of her was Jerry Bird. She had one kick and one handle each in front and behind the door, outside the plane, for the floaters. I was the rear-rear floater, so I had to climb out of the Bird Machine first. I put my left foot in the door frame and held onto the inside with my left hand. With my right hand, I grabbed the back handle. Then I put my right foot on the back step and grabbed the handle with my left hand. As soon as I put out my left foot, the airflow put me in a horizontal position, and I hung horizontally next to the bird machine, holding on with both hands, about 13,000 feet above Z-Hills, until the rear floater got out. I slid back down in his slipstream and put my feet on the step. That was a moment I will never forget. Besides me, there was a front-front, a front, a center, and a rear-floater. READY SET GO!
During that stay at Z-Hills and the following years, I made several more jumps out of various DC-3 airplanes. They were Southern Cross, Mr. Douglas, Our Douglas, Agent Orange, and Silver Bullet. The Silver Bullet was an exception because it had the door on the right rear. I never had a stable jump out of the Silver Bullet, and I was not alone in this.
BLUE SKIES!
The DC-3 was the first airplane I saw, up close, at Walker Field in Grand Junction, CO, in the early '50s. In my opinion, it and the 747 are the two finest aircraft in history. I spent most of 50 years in the aerospace industry as a mechanical engineer, so take a quite an interest in this sort of thing. Thank you for this historical review -- more, please.
Great short history of my favourite airplane. My first ride was from Shearwater NS to Dorval QC in August 1952. Second and last ride was from Whitehorse to Old Crow YK above the circle and back in March 1994. In between, while I was working at EXPO 86, Vancouver's world fair on transportation, I invented the DC-3 Airmada to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the DC-3's entry into commercial service. Two dozen aircraft, organized by Col OB Philp (founder of the RCAF Snowbirds, who had himself been awarded a DFC flying C-47s over the Burma Hump as an eighteen year old), participated in a flyover of the Expo site. The sound of all those round engines was music to me ears! Thanks for the post!
Every few months I will see one flying...always makes me happy to see them in the air.
I am getting one fuselage rebuilt in South Africa. Replacing the piston engines for P&W turboprop ones . A $ 9 M project. This is just for my love for the DC 3 . It's the C 47 btw .
Awesome!! Send pictures!
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While I've flown as a passenger a good number of times, my very first flight was in 1963 or 64, when my Mom, my three brothers, and myself flew to Hawaii to live with my USMC Dad while he was stationed at Kaneohe.
While waiting to take off from San Diego, the pilot invited my mom to bring one of my brothers and me to the cockpit to help alleviate our fears. We were in awe!
Unfortunately, that can no longer happen. I've often wondered how many children the pilots invited up front ended up in the airline industry.
Regarding hand propping, I had a friend who was chased by his plane when he had the throttle advanced a bit too much.
My dad had great and fond memories of the Gooney Bird, or C-47. He drove a B-25 in WWII and dropped chickens, pigs, and cows (at 1,000 feet) out of a C-123 over Nam in the early '60s. He loved the Spooky, or PuffTheMagicDragons which sometimes accompanied the flights. One black pajamad fella threw an AK slug up at him and when he landed, it was embedded in the wooden portion of his seat about an inch directly below his man-parts. I've always loves seeing them at air shows and in movies. Thanks for giving us all that extra info we were missing.
I got a chance to skydive out of one here in Australia in the late 80's, it was a joy to ride in and I'm glad to have had the opportunity. The prop wash is a big exciting when you exit the plane too.
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As a kid, back in the 90s, I flew so many times in a DC3. This video brought wonderful memories, including the smell of the inside, watching the engines be started by pulling a rope wrapped around the prop, an emergency landing due to fire in the cockpit. Beautiful times. Thanks
A DC-3 engine being started by pulling a rope wrapped around the propeller? That's a step up from hand propping. Something really worth seeing to believe it. 🤠🧐
@@jamesburns2232,.. a young idiot pulling your chain.
I had an Uncle who was based in New Guinea, both during and post WW2, with the RAAF then privately, who waxed so lyrically of the virtues of the DC3. He told stories of how after the war, they would go on missions gathering up military surplus in the NG Highlands, they would load up the DC3's considerably above their maximum - safe take-off loading's. They wouldn't,so much as - take off - as - drop-off - the end of the runway, and pickup air-speed as they fell into the valley. On a Wing-and-a-Prayer, indeed. The DC3's were the centre of the formation of the Cargo Cults, of New Guinea.
I love this bird !
It was my first flight at 1 year old, back in 1954 !!!!
I've always wanted to ride in a DC-3
Brilliant video! Something related to this, and maybe a good subject for a future video is the question of "false twins", many twin engine aircraft prior to DC3 couldn't keep flying on one engine, let alone continue to take off on one. Hence so many tri motor designs of the period. Aerodynamic, stressed skin designs, with featherable propellers and more powerful engines were the way forward, and this is one of the ways that the DC-3 fits into the overall story of progress in aviation. It wasn't just a brilliant design in itself, it brought together the cutting edge technology of the age.
Some years back, my brother and I were at a dinner in SanDiego. It was an aviation society anual weekend, including a tour of the USN aircraft repair facilities. The Sikorsky hanger was fun because we had Igor Sikorsky’s son with us.
Anyway, at the dinner I was sat between Pete Knight (X15 pilot) and Clay Lacey who owned an airline. There was also a Connie pilot and the guy that invented winglets!
Clay offered me a lift back to LA!
His personal transport was a DC3 refitted as an executive transport!
If you have a multi engine rating and a few thousand dollars, you can still get a DC-3 type rating from several companies.
This makes me smile. ❤
The only time I’ve flown aboard a DC3 was when a short lived company called Vintage Airways operated nostalgia flights between select cities here in Florida. I flew my own personal airplane(an Aerostar 601B ) from Ft Lauderdale to Orlando to board a Vintage scheduled flight from there to Key West. Not long after reaching cruise altitude, we lost the right engine and had to return to Orlando. Vintage put us on another airline for the trip to Key West , and my return flight, after a short vacation stay , was also on a Vintage Airways DC3 and was just delightful! Interesting experience-great memories !
Non pressurized cabin also makes for a long life of an aircraft.
Few as a passenger on an Aden Airways DC3 from Aden to Mombassa and back in 1959.
Low flight over the Somali desert, unforgettable.
I was one of the lucky people who had a career as a newspaper reporter after taking junior college journalism courses. I was B.A. grad already. My career lasted about 60 months. One of my disappointments in retrospect was that after seeing a DC-3 parked at the local airport - right in front of the cafe at that - I didn't find the pilot and crew and write a feature about the plane. This was before the internet but my research capabilities were pretty good and I could have worked up some nice background on the plane's history for my feature.
One of the mysteries of contemporary aviation in my mind is why a more recent plane of similar capabilities has not been designed and manufactured. There are smaller cargo planes and there are larger ones, but not one exactly the same size. One advantage of the DC-3 is its ability to transport a cargo load that is large but possibly not extremely heavy. Maybe there is not a perceived need but at the same time the DC-3s are still flying and doing cargo runs.
I just love DC3's, and I'm so happy you mentioned the Basler BT67! They are slightly stretched from the wing root to the cockpit, but other than that are a DC3! They use the popular P&W PT6 turbine engine, the 14-18 cyl radials are gone. That makes them super reliable and quieter. Big door, big payload and go anywhere! They are also a joy to fly! They should be around as long as we still have fuel to fill the tanks.!! Great story, thanks!! 8) --gary
I really enjoyed this! My dad use to take me to airports to watch planes such as C47s take off and land. Thanks for the story. MSGT USAF retired.
I remember as a very young lad crossing the Andes from Santiago Chile to Argentina, I would say in the middle to late 1950s. Upon embarking the DC-3 I was given chewing gum and small plastic bag to put my Parker fountain pen. Flying between the mountains and looking up at the peaks made an indelible impression on my young mind.
It is a beautiful aicraft, having ment more to the aviation industry that one could possibly fathom. For me, it also brings back a fond memory. I was then - a loong time ago, an active aviation journalst, as well as a private pilot, singe engine only.
Once, on an assignment, I was having a ride in DC 3 SE-BSM - doing air-work and said I would like to spend some time flying the plane.
I was given the left-hand seat an truly enjoyed getting the feel of the old lady, commenting that I would not be able to add the time into my pilot log-book.
I was then told, that since the captain was an instructor I was a student pilot, so my time would be counted as time flown.
Then came the question: Do you have a twin engine rating? I had not, so my "instructor" said. One engine it is!
After half an hour of flying a DC 3 on number 2 engine only, I could hardly walk, since noone offered to help me trim for asymmetric power, and I did not know how to.
This flight is one of my fondest aviation memories. Thank You, Old Lady, the true Queen of the skies.
Hans Strömberg
Stockholm, Sweden
I still flew in them when I did my 2 year military service in the South African Airforce in 1986 - 1988.
I worked as an air marshaller and we always had to stand at the engines with a fire extinguisher when they started up, for in case they caught fire. :) Once sat in a DC-3 cockpit with a landing - cool experience.
I lived in Yellowknife NWT and had a chance to fly on one of these old birds from Hay River to Yellowknife. As some who has flown many hundreds of times on modern aircraft this flight was incredible. No complimentary headphones but earplugs were recommended.
That is so cool!
Outstanding production. I grew up with this old bird in the 50s and 60s and in the 70s, I flew it in Laos, although we were never there (wink, wink, LOL). You mentioned Muddy fields, well at highly inclined Muddy fields. My father had 10 pipers and the monster C-47. When I was 5, he had me using a "plumber's helper" and learning how to talk to the tower. I was a hero in Civil Air Patrol! You should add that the C-47 was often used in the drug trade, fast and slow into the mountains (hopefully with a landing strip and a few flash lights to help guide me into them). I was a wild maniac even after I loss my license.
DC3 scenic flights are stilll available over the city of Auckland, New Zealand. Got given 2 tickets as a wedding gift and it was rough, loud and spectacular
Another phenomenal video Petter! Really love the footage of you in the DC-3. Also keep doing those comparisons when you're talking about different variants. It really helps visualize and see those differences. It's crazy how many DC-3s were produced but, I can easily see it happening due to the ramp up in aircraft during WW2. Speaking of this aircraft's incredible service life. They use a C-47 up at Ted Steven's airport in Alaska to deliver cargo to hard to reach communities.
What a marvelous coverage of an aviation legend. Nicely done. The very first web server software we chose came from a guy who was a DC 3 fan who actually owned and flew one of these legendary birds.
My father's brother flew the DC-3 in the Berlin Airlift in 1948. I've been fortunate enough to fly in one of these wonderful aircraft in the UK in the 1980's. The flight was so memorable,the flight attendants were dressed in 1940's uniforms, and Glenn Miller's 'In The Mood' was playing over the intercom.....fabulous !
The slow throbbing hum of the C47s engines is very comforting on a pitch black night when the enemy has you pinned down with relentless machine gun fire. The C47s carried what we call basket ball flairs that would light up the night well enough to read a newspaper if you had one. I loved to watch them work. A single line of green tracers would go up toward the bird and immediately down would come a solid ruby red column of return fire would come down.
One of the greatest aircraft ever produced, if not the greatest. A workhorse. My favorite story about this aircraft is the famous DC 2 1/2.
My father saw the DC2 1/2 in operation during WW2 where he served in Indonesia in an airfield construction squadron of the RAAF. My first flight was on a DC-3 from Cairns to Mt Isa in Australia in 1972. I distinctly remember opening the window at the back to look out!
@@warrentraves6371 That must have been awesome to see the DC 2 1/2. The fact that it flew overload is a testament to the design and build quality of the aircraft. Never had the opportunity to fly in one but I do remember seeing a couple take off and land. They were used by a small airline on a series of short hop flights from city to city.
Finally addressing the DC-3 :)
It’s a fantastic aircraft
Thanks for sharing. In the mid-1940s I was a young child living with my mother on the west coast while my dad served in the Navy. I boarded a Douglas DC-3 with my mother and flew to the East Coast to meet up with my dad. The DC-3 was a wonderful aircraft that I would get more exposure to years later.
In 1965 my ship patrolled the coast of South VietNam from the DMZ, south along the east coast of the country, then around the horn into the Gulf of Thailand and north to Phu Quoc Island south of Cambodia.
During our patrols we communicated with friendly aircraft, many of which we directed to intercept suspicious vessels. On one such occasion, we worked with a C-47 modified as a gunship. That C-47 laid automatic gunfire on VC who were attacking friendly forces near the south coast of Vietnam.
It did its job well.
My first flight on a commercial aircraft was in 1966, a DC-3 operated by North Central Airlines, which became Republic Air, then merged into Northwest Airlines. I had flown in Cubs and Tri-Pacers but the DC-3 was a vastly different experience -- almost luxurious with deep plush seats and curtained windows And everyone on the flight was treated like a first class passenger. What a wonderful experience!
My first flight was on a DC-3 out of Mpls. and North Central Airlines to Duluth, MN. in1958 with my father and brothers, My father worked for the company. Was the most exciting experience for an 8 year old, I'll never forget it!
The county airport by my hometown in Texas is still home to a trio of operating DC-3s! They’re mostly used for aerial photography, but they occasionally offer rides when the airport hosts its fly-in pancake breakfasts.
Very interesting to hear about Douglas' non-military, pre-merger success. Sounds like this was the true work horse of the prop engine era. I'd love to hear your take on the DC-10. It has such a complicated and negative history where commercial aviation is concerned, and yet its still in the air decades later and has been considered relatively low accident after many fixes.
I think I developed a longing to fly from my first airplane ride in a DC3 in 1947 when I was 3 months old. My mom carried me in an actual wicker basket on to the Pan Am craft and I rode in her lap all the way from Miami to Chicago. I'm told I was a quiet baby and only "fussed" during the altitude pressure changes on descent. My next flight wasn't until 1966 in a United 727. I finally soloed in 1972 in a Grumann Yankee single engine, low wing, out of a dirt strip in Arizona. My professional career in computers for many years eventually required me to fly around the USA weekly, finally earning me the million mile flyer distinction with Delta. That DC3 baby did good.
I loved this video! Thank you!
My father, Capt. Damron Clay Owen Jr flew the C-47 in WW2 from beginning to end. He took part in every Airial invasion of the war including D day and Market Garden. He had over 1700 combat flight hours by the end of the war.
Thanks again!
pilots haven't changed to a different shape, so unless there is a pressing reason to change the cockpit layout, there is no reason not to keep it consistent. I know most helicopters also have a master shutoff in the center above the windshield - and as the pilot who gave me the tour said, even though they don't need to be a big handle, to operate them, they still put in a big handle, so it's easy for emergency crews to find.
The dc3 is what sparked my interest in aviation. Love this old bird!
Living in California REAL close to Long Beach airport I watched a DC3 take off for deliveries to Catalina Island almost everyday. It was Catalina Flying Boats air express. Never forget the sound of those engines. Sometimes I was not even 100 feet away. Another great beautiful bird I always watched was a PBY 5A....sure due miss the icons of the past. Thanks for bringing back some fond memories.
One of my earliest memories, perhaps THE earliest, is of my Dad walking out to board a DC-3 for a business trip. I was born in 1952 so I would've been quite young at the time, and that might've been the start of my lifelong fascination with aviation.
Another trivia: I was a first officer in the very aircraft displayed at 21:00 logged a couple hundred hours until the airline ceased operations due to changing regulations in Colombia back in late 2019.
Love your proper Scandinavian pronunciation of Knute Rockne first name. In most of USA outside of maybe Lindsborg Ks and a few other Swedish communities in Wisconsin and Minnesota his name is pronounced as "Nute" with the K being ignored.
As to the DC3, I have been lucky (unlucky) enough to fly in it as passenger, not a commercial passenger though, several times. I have flown in them in both the USA and in Korea. This was in the days before ear protection was common and you had to wait a day or two for your hearing to return to normal if you took a flight of more than 1 or two hours. All were either active or past military version C47s (or R3D-8 & C117) which of course did not have a single square inch of sound insulation. Riding in metal military seat could also give you a better shake down than Mafia boss shaking down the merchants in Little Italy. But still I loved my flights in the type and the C-46 Commando by Curtiss which was a bit more powerful and slightly larger and with larger cargo capacity and range it dominated the flights over the Himalayas into China (Over the Hump).
You did forget to mention one version of the C-47 - the AC-47 Spooky aka "Puff the Magic Dragon" gunship with 7.62 miniguns and a couple of M2 .50 Heavy Browning machine guns.
Those 53 conversions saved the lives of a couple of people I knew in southeast Asian jungles.
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I grew up around (and in) the many C-47s operated by the USAF, being the son of an AF officer. Later in life I was working on a remote airport lighting system that we were testing on Martha's Vineyard. In flying in and out I had one flight on a PBA DC-3 just before they retired them in 1988. A few years later, now working on sonobuoy development and test, my company had a Navy R4D bailed to us for flight testing. I always loved the old Gooney Birds and enjoyed everyone of my many flights in them. They always made me feel like I was living a bit of history.
Ah, Daisy! I was a member of Flygande veteraner in the late 80-ies early 90-ties but never got around to fly it.
And then life...
But this video prompted me to become a member again and hope to finally get to fly with the plane that got me marvelled and wanted to become a pilot when seeing it flying when I was a child. Unfortunately I was told that "girls can't become pilots", in a way true back then.
Well, at least not since I wanted to become a test pilot like Chuck Yeager :D
Beautiful classic aircraft! Thank you for covering this awesome bird!
Amazing airplane with a lot of capabilities, really the workhorse of aviation...🛩
Indeed! That was actually my first title idea
The Volkswagen Beetle of planes. So well-built and cheap that it's still in use.
Petter, EXCELLENT presentation! "On Forever!" was an old DC-3 motto, and it was accurate. A while ago, I read a story about a woman pilot who was regularly flying a DC-3 in cargo service. She characterization it as a "1950s farm truck.". That it is, but she said it had never given her a moment's worry. In all the years it's flown, there has never been a DC-3 accident due to structural failure. Quite a record.
Hi Mentour, I thoroughly enjoyed this; it brought to mind one of my all-time favorite books, *Fate is the Hunter*, Ernest K Gann´s memoir of his years as a pilot in the 1930s-1940s (which included flying DC-2s and DC-3s.)
Great book, must read for aviators, EK Gann was a legend for decades,.
Mentour is upping his game. The DC3 is iconic and is in the league of the SR71. I will watch every UA-cam on these birds I can find. Now I want him to show me the other icons in order.
When a modern airliner flies to the scrapyard finally, a DC-3 will wait to bring the pilots back home.