Imo scarra quote on 1-17 team Coast is up there in terms of all time great quotes. "Up until they lose the game, they're winning" was just so hilariously accurate about that team cos boy they could sure blow an early game lead.
Hate to be that guy, but that quote is from spring 2014 and is about the mediocre Coast with Zionspartan and Shiphtur. The terrible 1-17 team came a whole year later and I sure don't recall them winning all that many early games.
I know that the old lore about summoners and the like was terrible and totally a geeky gamer thing, but I still love it. It was lore made by a bunch of people just thinking up interesting (And often really dark) storylines for how the characters got to the rift, not having to worry about the larger world or how anything fits together. The lore these days just feels... corporate. If nothing else, the old lore gave context for why the game happens.
I thought I was the only one who liked the old lore, there was so much left for interpretation that those in the fanfic community especially fucking loved it. Everything sucks because it's all been exposed, with little variance you can put because they forced-established so many backgrounds that alot of the allure and mystery has all but disappeared.
Not sure why Jensen is so down on JDG? If you hadn't watched LPL and listened to this episode you'd come away thinking they're an underwhelming team. Reality is they are the most cohesive of the best LPL teams and are stacked in every position, 369 best top in LPL, Kanavi goes without saying, Yagao performing out of his mind this year, Hope and Missing don't get talked about much but are extremely good.
But Inspired and Jojopyun are a top 5 mid jungle duo while kanavi and yagao aren't. Therefore JDG must be underwhelming 🤷 In all seriousness though, I think JDG is awesome. This team is definitely one of those teams that is greater than the sum of their parts and are so fun to watch. Hope they have some redemption at worlds this year after having a disappointing run in 2020.
He is talking out of his ass about JDG, that Tes vs Jdg series is probably one of the few games from Jdg he ever watched this season, you can tell how little he actually knew about that team and their players, Jdg is the team that used to have the most consistent play style and the highest floor out of all lpl teams, its the team that has been consistently improving since spring, many lck pros and coaches spoke highly of Jdg this season, but this guy just comes out and calls Jdg the fraud of lpl, looks like a random guy who is trying to be smart but ends up looking dumb to me.
@@l.w1693 If you think Yagao is a consistent player, I have some oil to sell you. JDG's strongest point is having a legendary coach backing them. None of the players are terrible but none truly stand out besides Kanavi.
The Problem with damwon is that the stupid coaching staff is playing burden and not Nuguri. Why the fk would I play burden when I have Nuguri. Even a bad Nuguri is still better than a good playing burden.
Danny his pool in this meta was for sure exposed. I swear if teams give him Zeri/Seraphine in playoffs they are dumb. He played 3 Sivir games and they were all against C9. The first 1 was in the super week, it was a win but the win was all 'cause of Inspired his Vi. And then 2 losses in this series against C9. Not being able to play Kalista, Lucian and Draven is a huge problem especially vs C9 who plays all 3. Though I would not want to see Lucian/Nami for C9 considering how good Berserker is on other picks and even the Aphelios who he is so good on and could arguably be his best champ. The difference is Zeri is just too easy to dominate team fights with especially when they pick shit like Zilean mid and Renata support. I do think Danny has an amazing Zeri and wouldn't really just say that Berserker > Danny when it comes to Zeri. Danny has had amazing Zeri performances. Danny is 11-2 on the Zeri and hard carried on Zeri in Spring Playoffs. Berserker on the other hand wasn't very good on it in Spring but in Summer is now doing really well with it. Berserker is 8-6 on the Zeri so yeah I wouldn't say Berserker > Danny on Zeri because of 1 series because Danny for sure can look like the best adc on specific picks like the Trist, Jinx and I also think Zeri. Berserker is just an overall better player with a better champion pool. As for Jensen performance in the regular split. I don't know honestly why he's rated as doing poorly when if you compare his stats to jojo in the season even though the winrate isn't close, Jensen has very similar stats. KDA is close, DPM is close, Jensen does a little higher % dmg inside the team because often Danny did the most damage by far. Jensen got 5 solo kills, jojo got 2. Ahead in CS at 15 minutes Jensen actually has that more often than jojo does. jojo is more a first blood victim than Jensen is. Jensen played 11 champs, jojo played 8. But honestly for Jensen to have these stats even though the winrate wasn't close is pretty crazy. But somehow he had such a mediocre or even poor split performance. But jojo was 1st all pro. Someone gotta explain that to me. gol.gg/players/player-stats/583/season-ALL/split-ALL/tournament-LCS%20Summer%202022/ gol.gg/players/player-stats/3544/season-ALL/split-ALL/tournament-LCS%20Summer%202022/
I agree that regional summer season play offs should have double elimination brackets to extend the tournament as a pay off for the 2/3 month long season like lpls , however i disagree that worlds should be designed this way, it follows a system much like the champions league in football which is competitive enough and allows for upsets to happen. Regional competition should be treated diffrently to international, a double elimination bracket would kill some of the hype i think and make the whole tournament too predictable. As a fan i like the hype around how every match you play really matters, thats what its about. If you loose then, unfortuantley you didnt perform well in 6 games in groups or you lost 3 games in a b05. Those are enough games i feel at the end of a season to prove yourself, but i think they should do it on the same patch as regional play offs. I dont see how a double elmination bracket would even work without reginal bias by saying lck and lpl is just better than lec which is true but then whats the point of the tournament if those teams just get a hugely unfair advantage, Its an international competiton at some if you seed lpl or lck teams as throin suggests then it just becomes rift rivals for a couple of other teams .
My problem with the west is doomed takes is that people assume eastern teams are going to keep their high level while western teams are not going to get better. Because of the bootcamps, things usually change, because western teams finally get to practice against better teams, which let’s remember is a luxury we can’t afford with the current system. Meanwhile Korean and Chinese teams get to scrim each other all year long. Also what does doomed mean? Not winning worlds, then yeah no shit. Not reaching semis? Maybe. Not reaching quarters? What is it? I don’t see the latter happening
Bootcamps are temporary. There is no drive in the west to actually achieve anything, outside of the occasional EU team. The west is doomed to never achieve anything significant and never be competitive. On the other hand, the east WANTS to win; every single player has a drive that puts the west to shame. You thinking that drive might magically disappear one day and allow the west to look competitive is one of the funniest things I have read all year.
@@120rikeshlawoju8 I am not a dota expert, but as I understand it it's much harder to plan for everything and creativity in draft plays a much bigger role. Last I read about it there aren't even fixed lane assignments, and it's much more çommon for champs to have flex in draft
The problem for me is that EG doesn't have strong enough lanes: Impact is a weak side player and he kinda got exposed on Monday. Is he planning to blind pick tanks or Aatrox at Worlds? Danny and Vulcan are still weak in lane, and the champ pool thing is still an issue for Danny. Jojo's "strength" is supposed to be his laning, but against Chovy, Faker, Showmaker and Clozer? He gets clapped. VS Knight, Yagao, Scout, Xiaohu, DoinB or Rookie? He is blasted. He doesn't stand a chance against Caps, Vetheo, or Nisqy either, he'll have to pray he gets matched against Larsen who chokes or Humainoid plays like regular season and they avoid a Chinese or Korean team? Not happening.
Yea I don’t think anyone that isn’t a copium addicted NA fan thinks they will do well at worlds. Best case scenario for EG is they take a weak quarterfinals team to 5 games then lose. Realistic scenario is they end up playing a team like Sandbox in quarters and Prince makes Danny cry in a fast 3-0.
Thorin should have had a 2 minute trailer for his channel made for this last 2 weeks a hall of fame level run reflections with ls larsen forest valde sunny plus videos on shroud shox "I was wrong (taco xizt)"
This world championship most probably would have a winners from previous worlds until 2014. Do you believe Riot would do something with that or we never are going to have another music video like Rise?
Hans Sama seems weak as fuck right now. Easily the weakest link on TL. I think unironically TL needs Doublelift back. He’ll call every shot (around himself, but at least he’s calling something), he has a history with everyone but Bwipo, and he would straighten the team out. I just don’t know if he’s too washed or could actually come back and perform well. But his personality and big voice would do well in this team I think.
The Winner of the World Cup gets his name on the bottom of the original trophy... that is just the most important cup in the world, but hey... you might be right for American sports... And the German League Trophy does this as well, it even has all the former champions on it. They had to extend the bowl to fit everyone on it. Pretty sure they also carve the winner of the Champions League and European Nations Championship in the respective trophy. They do it right before the presentation. Since I am at it the "DFB Pokal" also has the winning teams on the base. So it is actually quite common to do this.
how was EG an anomoly when they perma lost botlane and won lategame teamfights but c9 in 2020 and 2021 with perkz in spring won with aggressive picks and tried winning the game under 30minutes and did not like scaling champs. they literally played faster then EG with more aggressive lanes but ye EG were an anomoly EVERY OTHER na team that ever won just won off scaling champs 40minute games.
Bc 2020 C9 was absolutely blasting every game with better players at every position winning every lane. 2021 C9 was about Perkz clutching it out in elimination games bc he's just built different. EG has neither of these things. Also what matters more in being a good team: Winning LCS or making it out of groups?
@@chaddude2 im talking about jensen goh claiming eg were the only recent team to skirmish early and play fast and aggressive and not scale. Which is literally not true since both c9 spring teams in previous 2 years did that. Eg right now if anything are only scaling their earlygame rn is shit.
So from what I have seen, yes jdg isn’t the best team there but they are super proactive and making moves and team fighting well throughout the game. They have an idea about playing together and how to do that well. This is also not even their ideal patch for kenavi who is usually thought of as a carry jungle player. Think it’s a little odd to be calling them frauds when they have show as much as any of the other lpl teams this season.
Although I love Doinb both as a person and as a player. Imagine if Rookie was on LNG instead of Doinb. LNG would literally be best team in world right now
TWO sides to both of them，rookie：best early game lane ability mid laner in the world，somehow always giving golds away for his teammates for wired gank mid game then he can not carry the late game. so if the golds ahead rookie can destroy anyone in a mid-game fight， on the other way will so struggle. And Doinb： wired champ pool leads to weak lane ability， but perfect flash timer， in-game leader， he defines the situation of meta， bp and team fight so well. but he always overtakes camps from his jungle, so his jg would be useless after 30min, and he is not carrying late game cuz he only builds tank items cuz he is not a talented player， he plays almost 5000 ranks a year who puts the most effort but mechanics still... and as a person he is terrible， he is a pick-up artist always pressure his teammates or emphasis his fan to attack them, lpl fans call him the lpl faker.
Monte & Thorin since the beginning of Summoning Insight: "Why does NA try to play the same meta as other major regions just to get crushed? They should develop their own style and try to beat other regions with it. That's why LS approach would be much better for NA internationally. Why don't other teams try to play LS champions?" Monte & Thorin when NA teams try to play Seraphine (which LS has always considered super broken) and Zilean (similar concept to Seraphine): "Why are NA teams picking Seraphine and Zilean? These champions are not even meta in other regions. NA so bad ahah they can't play LPL and LCK meta" Which one is it?
The thing about zilean is that eastern mids will pick a melee into it and hard punish the lack of trading ability zilean has followed by repeat dives, so that only works domestically The seraphine seems legit tho
The answer is: NA needs to develop a meta that beats the east. Shit like zilean, playing passively and waiting for enemy mistakes is gonna get their skulls caved in internationally.
I was excited for Jensen to be on after Thorin talked him up so much recently and damn what a disappointment... For such a smart guy he is really dumb about JDG.... Not defending as a fan (no one cares but I have publicly hated on JDG for years have twitter receipts). Let's get specific for starters he openly admits he didn't watch every JDG game... If you don't watch every game from the best team in the region then you aren't an expert on the region. He then says they have bad set up on objectives and references 369 walking in jungle getting chunked for free and uses that as an example of why a western team like EG might win against them... WHAT THE FUCK? He doesn't say the specific game but I can infer it's game 2 JDG vs TES because it has the 8k gold lead for JDG and they still lose. I'm specifically assuming he's talking about the jungle fight at 37:08 where he complains about this losing them the game and being punished by other teams. This is a top for jungle trade where JDG then takes the mid inhib for free and also claims all of TES jungle. Before the play you can watch the pings go down on the map and 369 ults before walking into team because he knows where they are and he also knows that if the enemy team burns everything to kill him his team will have the health lead and resource lead to take objectives if not the game after. This dude should probably go watch all the games and also look at the mini map before coming on a show like this... He wanted to expose frauds and as far as I can tell did a pretty good job exposing himself. long comment I know but I was so hyped for this and this dude is just so very wrong it's hard to deal with
No one overrated him in summer, he was actually rated as top 6 adc in lck + if you look at his performance in spring and worlds last year, he wasn't overrated, he was actually top 3/4 adc in worlds last year behind viper, ruler and gala + to be honest, he was the most stable player in finals.
@@XGifuX I'm not saying he is better right now. I'm saying guma has issues and is under performing currently. T1 would have been smart to have kept berseker imo to possibly bench guma down the line
while the game XL vs FNC wasn't high class I don't think FNC played scared or bad on lucian. I don't think G2 or FNC would go far at Worlds. Also I am wondering how much of Yamatos spirit/teaching is still in the Sandbox team.
@@triggerbutton9208 ah I see. Thanks :) I was wondering if his Philosophy might have blossomed just now in the team but I guess they reworked everything then.
western teams will never win worlds until they change their attitude towards the game. All these discussions are hopeless.it only adds salt to the wounds and humiliation we had for the past 11 years. ONLY G2 CAN BRING UPSET AGAINST TOP EASTERN TEAMS BUT AGAIN THEY ARE DEFINITELY NOT WINNING WORLDS THIS YEAR OR ANY YEAR. i suggest fans to only watch highlights videos not the live match.we viewers and fans need to tell our lazy western players and teams to get their shit right and play like eastern teams or become irrelevant. As a fan i really really want them to ATLEAST win 1 worlds.
As a fan I'd personally rather watch the LEC instead of boycotting it - wtf would that achieve? NA viewership is in the dumpster, did that help their international performances?
Calm down G2 got to play MSF, that's not a real test, other teams had to play better opponents to move forward. Hopefully G2 are able to replicate. But based on the samples we have G2 and 100T look like the only competent teams from the west.
Imo scarra quote on 1-17 team Coast is up there in terms of all time great quotes. "Up until they lose the game, they're winning" was just so hilariously accurate about that team cos boy they could sure blow an early game lead.
Hate to be that guy, but that quote is from spring 2014 and is about the mediocre Coast with Zionspartan and Shiphtur. The terrible 1-17 team came a whole year later and I sure don't recall them winning all that many early games.
I know that the old lore about summoners and the like was terrible and totally a geeky gamer thing, but I still love it. It was lore made by a bunch of people just thinking up interesting (And often really dark) storylines for how the characters got to the rift, not having to worry about the larger world or how anything fits together. The lore these days just feels... corporate.
If nothing else, the old lore gave context for why the game happens.
I thought I was the only one who liked the old lore, there was so much left for interpretation that those in the fanfic community especially fucking loved it. Everything sucks because it's all been exposed, with little variance you can put because they forced-established so many backgrounds that alot of the allure and mystery has all but disappeared.
I loved the blooper reels ;)
lee sin was definitely more interesting in old lore
Same and I miss the cheezy Summoner News letters that dropped lore. It was fun but I get it kind of limited worldbuilding in the long run.
@@DIYisntDead How did it limit worldbuilding?
TL dunk incoming
As long as EG gets the heat also it’s all fair game
Its crazy how after everything Gala still gets this disrespect of being a Kaisa otp, smh. This guy is so good and criminally underrated.
That Thorin pose on the thumbnail is so funny
Even years later your intros still are straight fire.
Banger episode, always like Jensen as a guest.
Not sure why Jensen is so down on JDG? If you hadn't watched LPL and listened to this episode you'd come away thinking they're an underwhelming team. Reality is they are the most cohesive of the best LPL teams and are stacked in every position, 369 best top in LPL, Kanavi goes without saying, Yagao performing out of his mind this year, Hope and Missing don't get talked about much but are extremely good.
But Inspired and Jojopyun are a top 5 mid jungle duo while kanavi and yagao aren't. Therefore JDG must be underwhelming 🤷
In all seriousness though, I think JDG is awesome. This team is definitely one of those teams that is greater than the sum of their parts and are so fun to watch. Hope they have some redemption at worlds this year after having a disappointing run in 2020.
He is talking out of his ass about JDG, that Tes vs Jdg series is probably one of the few games from Jdg he ever watched this season, you can tell how little he actually knew about that team and their players, Jdg is the team that used to have the most consistent play style and the highest floor out of all lpl teams, its the team that has been consistently improving since spring, many lck pros and coaches spoke highly of Jdg this season, but this guy just comes out and calls Jdg the fraud of lpl, looks like a random guy who is trying to be smart but ends up looking dumb to me.
@@l.w1693 True. First, I thought he's been watching JDG for a long time, but he only watched a few games of them play. WTF?
@@jman652000 Inspired and Jojo top 5? Yeah everything you said is invalid
@@l.w1693 If you think Yagao is a consistent player, I have some oil to sell you.
JDG's strongest point is having a legendary coach backing them. None of the players are terrible but none truly stand out besides Kanavi.
"JDG are frauds" Someone find Jensen after that 10k gold comeback and game 5
Faker vs Apdo would be really entertaining to watch for sure, good call
Jensen Goh was such a great and insightful guest. Hope we see more of him in this show!
Quality content is nice
Yesssss, finally LPL episode
Finally some time spent talking around LPL. Last Hit and Doms content is great but fully welcome more discussion around the Chinese scene
If you like league then you like the LPL
The Problem with damwon is that the stupid coaching staff is playing burden and not Nuguri. Why the fk would I play burden when I have Nuguri. Even a bad Nuguri is still better than a good playing burden.
Danny his pool in this meta was for sure exposed. I swear if teams give him Zeri/Seraphine in playoffs they are dumb. He played 3 Sivir games and they were all against C9. The first 1 was in the super week, it was a win but the win was all 'cause of Inspired his Vi. And then 2 losses in this series against C9.
Not being able to play Kalista, Lucian and Draven is a huge problem especially vs C9 who plays all 3. Though I would not want to see Lucian/Nami for C9 considering how good Berserker is on other picks and even the Aphelios who he is so good on and could arguably be his best champ. The difference is Zeri is just too easy to dominate team fights with especially when they pick shit like Zilean mid and Renata support.
I do think Danny has an amazing Zeri and wouldn't really just say that Berserker > Danny when it comes to Zeri. Danny has had amazing Zeri performances. Danny is 11-2 on the Zeri and hard carried on Zeri in Spring Playoffs. Berserker on the other hand wasn't very good on it in Spring but in Summer is now doing really well with it. Berserker is 8-6 on the Zeri so yeah I wouldn't say Berserker > Danny on Zeri because of 1 series because Danny for sure can look like the best adc on specific picks like the Trist, Jinx and I also think Zeri. Berserker is just an overall better player with a better champion pool.
As for Jensen performance in the regular split. I don't know honestly why he's rated as doing poorly when if you compare his stats to jojo in the season even though the winrate isn't close, Jensen has very similar stats.
KDA is close, DPM is close, Jensen does a little higher % dmg inside the team because often Danny did the most damage by far. Jensen got 5 solo kills, jojo got 2. Ahead in CS at 15 minutes Jensen actually has that more often than jojo does. jojo is more a first blood victim than Jensen is. Jensen played 11 champs, jojo played 8.
But honestly for Jensen to have these stats even though the winrate wasn't close is pretty crazy. But somehow he had such a mediocre or even poor split performance. But jojo was 1st all pro. Someone gotta explain that to me.
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Where is dom when i need him, he would own these two frauds jensen n monte
thorin's face on the chapters thumbnail is hilarious
I agree that regional summer season play offs should have double elimination brackets to extend the tournament as a pay off for the 2/3 month long season like lpls , however i disagree that worlds should be designed this way, it follows a system much like the champions league in football which is competitive enough and allows for upsets to happen. Regional competition should be treated diffrently to international, a double elimination bracket would kill some of the hype i think and make the whole tournament too predictable. As a fan i like the hype around how every match you play really matters, thats what its about. If you loose then, unfortuantley you didnt perform well in 6 games in groups or you lost 3 games in a b05. Those are enough games i feel at the end of a season to prove yourself, but i think they should do it on the same patch as regional play offs. I dont see how a double elmination bracket would even work without reginal bias by saying lck and lpl is just better than lec which is true but then whats the point of the tournament if those teams just get a hugely unfair advantage, Its an international competiton at some if you seed lpl or lck teams as throin suggests then it just becomes rift rivals for a couple of other teams .
The problem with current worlds format is that we actually never see the good teams play eachother. Thats like the main reason double elim is good.
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peak design for a trophy ever was the flashpoint ak 47 and its not close
My problem with the west is doomed takes is that people assume eastern teams are going to keep their high level while western teams are not going to get better. Because of the bootcamps, things usually change, because western teams finally get to practice against better teams, which let’s remember is a luxury we can’t afford with the current system. Meanwhile Korean and Chinese teams get to scrim each other all year long.
Also what does doomed mean? Not winning worlds, then yeah no shit. Not reaching semis? Maybe. Not reaching quarters? What is it? I don’t see the latter happening
For me doomed is if no NA or EU teams make it out of group.
Bootcamps are temporary. There is no drive in the west to actually achieve anything, outside of the occasional EU team. The west is doomed to never achieve anything significant and never be competitive. On the other hand, the east WANTS to win; every single player has a drive that puts the west to shame. You thinking that drive might magically disappear one day and allow the west to look competitive is one of the funniest things I have read all year.
@@jugularstab Is it just a league thing i wonder, cuz in Dota CN and EU are kinda close.
@@120rikeshlawoju8 I am not a dota expert, but as I understand it it's much harder to plan for everything and creativity in draft plays a much bigger role. Last I read about it there aren't even fixed lane assignments, and it's much more çommon for champs to have flex in draft
For a show match I'd like to see the casters take on LCS pros in WC3 DotA.
The problem for me is that EG doesn't have strong enough lanes:
Impact is a weak side player and he kinda got exposed on Monday. Is he planning to blind pick tanks or Aatrox at Worlds?
Danny and Vulcan are still weak in lane, and the champ pool thing is still an issue for Danny.
Jojo's "strength" is supposed to be his laning, but against Chovy, Faker, Showmaker and Clozer? He gets clapped. VS Knight, Yagao, Scout, Xiaohu, DoinB or Rookie? He is blasted. He doesn't stand a chance against Caps, Vetheo, or Nisqy either, he'll have to pray he gets matched against Larsen who chokes or Humainoid plays like regular season and they avoid a Chinese or Korean team? Not happening.
Yea I don’t think anyone that isn’t a copium addicted NA fan thinks they will do well at worlds. Best case scenario for EG is they take a weak quarterfinals team to 5 games then lose.
Realistic scenario is they end up playing a team like Sandbox in quarters and Prince makes Danny cry in a fast 3-0.
Just say it the other way around: the only reason eg wins is inspired
@@Cornincarnate Realistic scenario is they go 2-4 and don't make it out of groups.
Thorin should have had a 2 minute trailer for his channel made for this last 2 weeks a hall of fame level run reflections with ls larsen forest valde sunny plus videos on shroud shox "I was wrong (taco xizt)"
This world championship most probably would have a winners from previous worlds until 2014. Do you believe Riot would do something with that or we never are going to have another music video like Rise?
JDG says no
Probably getting another KDA video unfortunately
Tom Brady also a great example. Came on for an injured Bledsoe and then ended up the GOAT
Hans Sama seems weak as fuck right now. Easily the weakest link on TL. I think unironically TL needs Doublelift back. He’ll call every shot (around himself, but at least he’s calling something), he has a history with everyone but Bwipo, and he would straighten the team out. I just don’t know if he’s too washed or could actually come back and perform well. But his personality and big voice would do well in this team I think.
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I totally forgot about pro mod. What an incredible callback. It was actually legit. 1.6 is king but man it aged so badly for the spectator.
I wonder if summoners cup is based off the Stanley cup because im pretty sure thats the only major sports trophy which records the name of team on it.
The Winner of the World Cup gets his name on the bottom of the original trophy... that is just the most important cup in the world, but hey... you might be right for American sports...
And the German League Trophy does this as well, it even has all the former champions on it. They had to extend the bowl to fit everyone on it. Pretty sure they also carve the winner of the Champions League and European Nations Championship in the respective trophy. They do it right before the presentation. Since I am at it the "DFB Pokal" also has the winning teams on the base. So it is actually quite common to do this.
Thorin says he wants bjerg to get shit on at world's again. I want TSM to beat TL then go 0-6 at worlds
I like that Jensen had a different opinion, even if i don't quite agree with it. It made the show more interesting. Definitely miss the old lore.
C9 baby!!
3:07:30 I personally can’t stand most NA casters. I like CaptainFlowers and I think Azael would be better on the analyst desk imo.
how was EG an anomoly when they perma lost botlane and won lategame teamfights but c9 in 2020 and 2021 with perkz in spring won with aggressive picks and tried winning the game under 30minutes and did not like scaling champs. they literally played faster then EG with more aggressive lanes but ye EG were an anomoly EVERY OTHER na team that ever won just won off scaling champs 40minute games.
Bc 2020 C9 was absolutely blasting every game with better players at every position winning every lane. 2021 C9 was about Perkz clutching it out in elimination games bc he's just built different. EG has neither of these things. Also what matters more in being a good team: Winning LCS or making it out of groups?
@@chaddude2 im talking about jensen goh claiming eg were the only recent team to skirmish early and play fast and aggressive and not scale. Which is literally not true since both c9 spring teams in previous 2 years did that. Eg right now if anything are only scaling their earlygame rn is shit.
@@sjdbsa Ah okay, was unclear what exactly you were referencing. Yes I agree agree completely, that's an ignorant take.
I think most teams have bad midgame in general, not just JDG. I don't know how many teams will be able to punish them in groupstage lol
So from what I have seen, yes jdg isn’t the best team there but they are super proactive and making moves and team fighting well throughout the game. They have an idea about playing together and how to do that well. This is also not even their ideal patch for kenavi who is usually thought of as a carry jungle player. Think it’s a little odd to be calling them frauds when they have show as much as any of the other lpl teams this season.
Although I love Doinb both as a person and as a player. Imagine if Rookie was on LNG instead of Doinb. LNG would literally be best team in world right now
You didn't understand anything.
TWO sides to both of them，rookie：best early game lane ability mid laner in the world，somehow always giving golds away for his teammates for wired gank mid game then he can not carry the late game. so if the golds ahead rookie can destroy anyone in a mid-game fight， on the other way will so struggle. And Doinb： wired champ pool leads to weak lane ability， but perfect flash timer， in-game leader， he defines the situation of meta， bp and team fight so well. but he always overtakes camps from his jungle, so his jg would be useless after 30min, and he is not carrying late game cuz he only builds tank items cuz he is not a talented player， he plays almost 5000 ranks a year who puts the most effort but mechanics still... and as a person he is terrible， he is a pick-up artist always pressure his teammates or emphasis his fan to attack them, lpl fans call him the lpl faker.
You literally have 0 clue what you’re talking about and i would recommend not typing comments
@@youngchangzhang2461 i love rookie but u gotta give chovy the laning crown
@@peterenis3507 CHOVY？who was talking about chovy.
the old lore was better by a mile lol
Monte & Thorin since the beginning of Summoning Insight: "Why does NA try to play the same meta as other major regions just to get crushed? They should develop their own style and try to beat other regions with it. That's why LS approach would be much better for NA internationally. Why don't other teams try to play LS champions?"
Monte & Thorin when NA teams try to play Seraphine (which LS has always considered super broken) and Zilean (similar concept to Seraphine): "Why are NA teams picking Seraphine and Zilean? These champions are not even meta in other regions. NA so bad ahah they can't play LPL and LCK meta"
Which one is it?
Another terrible take for you to enjoy Thorin
The thing about zilean is that eastern mids will pick a melee into it and hard punish the lack of trading ability zilean has followed by repeat dives, so that only works domestically
The seraphine seems legit tho
It's whichever one fits the narrative better. Talking about how bad NA is always gets the most views, so that will always be their take.
Fair point
The answer is: NA needs to develop a meta that beats the east. Shit like zilean, playing passively and waiting for enemy mistakes is gonna get their skulls caved in internationally.
Jensen Goh? who?
Looked it up after the intro section
I think the cup looks fine and everyone's just being crotchety about it
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Jensen didn’t do anything in the EG series… he had to play Leblanc as a comfort pick.
I was excited for Jensen to be on after Thorin talked him up so much recently and damn what a disappointment... For such a smart guy he is really dumb about JDG.... Not defending as a fan (no one cares but I have publicly hated on JDG for years have twitter receipts). Let's get specific for starters he openly admits he didn't watch every JDG game... If you don't watch every game from the best team in the region then you aren't an expert on the region. He then says they have bad set up on objectives and references 369 walking in jungle getting chunked for free and uses that as an example of why a western team like EG might win against them... WHAT THE FUCK? He doesn't say the specific game but I can infer it's game 2 JDG vs TES because it has the 8k gold lead for JDG and they still lose. I'm specifically assuming he's talking about the jungle fight at 37:08 where he complains about this losing them the game and being punished by other teams. This is a top for jungle trade where JDG then takes the mid inhib for free and also claims all of TES jungle. Before the play you can watch the pings go down on the map and 369 ults before walking into team because he knows where they are and he also knows that if the enemy team burns everything to kill him his team will have the health lead and resource lead to take objectives if not the game after. This dude should probably go watch all the games and also look at the mini map before coming on a show like this... He wanted to expose frauds and as far as I can tell did a pretty good job exposing himself.
long comment I know but I was so hyped for this and this dude is just so very wrong it's hard to deal with
I agree, would be better to have Dom on to talk about LPL tbh
Last worlds FPX Tian was sick
Joe Marsh kills me
NA is ready to speed run worlds and fly no walk home .
We love when doubters like you shit talk us, all the more motivation and hype when we upset KR or China and prove that LCS is better then EU right now
indeed a good time
Bad take on jdg
Its time to say: Gumayusi most overated adc in lck, even teddy outperform him lmao 😂
No one overrated him in summer, he was actually rated as top 6 adc in lck + if you look at his performance in spring and worlds last year, he wasn't overrated, he was actually top 3/4 adc in worlds last year behind viper, ruler and gala + to be honest, he was the most stable player in finals.
T1 let go of Berserker too
@@Iversonwings1 I love berserker to death but to say hes better then guma is a stretch zerk has serious problems as well
@@XGifuX I'm not saying he is better right now. I'm saying guma has issues and is under performing currently. T1 would have been smart to have kept berseker imo to possibly bench guma down the line
@@Iversonwings1 He is underperforming since msi, i dont know if he is just too cocky or what its going on with him.
while the game XL vs FNC wasn't high class I don't think FNC played scared or bad on lucian. I don't think G2 or FNC would go far at Worlds.
Also I am wondering how much of Yamatos spirit/teaching is still in the Sandbox team.
Jesus.
Only Dove left in the team who got replaced with FATE by Yamato.
@@triggerbutton9208 ah I see. Thanks :) I was wondering if his Philosophy might have blossomed just now in the team but I guess they reworked everything then.
@@RumandCocaine no I'm Paul.
comments for da boyz
Loco is the ultimate LoL court jester
"GenG will blow JDG out of the water" Meanwhile the rumor is GenG can't win a game vs JDG in scrims. XD XD XD XD
dwg 2019: destroying every team in scrims
g2: 3-1 freelo
I want it now.. 3 hours wait wtf
Also 1st
Lmfao
So.... Jensen was wrong
western teams will never win worlds until they change their attitude towards the game.
All these discussions are hopeless.it only adds salt to the wounds and humiliation we had for the past 11 years.
ONLY G2 CAN BRING UPSET AGAINST TOP EASTERN TEAMS BUT AGAIN THEY ARE DEFINITELY NOT WINNING WORLDS THIS YEAR OR ANY YEAR.
i suggest fans to only watch highlights videos not the live match.we viewers and fans need to tell our lazy western players and teams to get their shit right and play like eastern teams or become irrelevant.
As a fan i really really want them to ATLEAST win 1 worlds.
As a fan I'd personally rather watch the LEC instead of boycotting it - wtf would that achieve? NA viewership is in the dumpster, did that help their international performances?
I don't know if it is just XQC but his quebecan accent is a struggle to understand sometimes.
Calm down G2 got to play MSF, that's not a real test, other teams had to play better opponents to move forward. Hopefully G2 are able to replicate. But based on the samples we have G2 and 100T look like the only competent teams from the west.
There's no way 100t is more competent than mad or rogue
@@archaontheeverchosen539 lol you didn't watch mad vs rge then if you think those teams are competent.
@@feature8 na only 100t is good
@Peter P I would match 100T to G2 that would be the absolute best match for LEC vs LCS.
@@archaontheeverchosen539 I don't think 100T is competent but LEC sans G2 look dog water.
Cloud9 is not winning the series. 100T 3-1.
About to look as stupid as eg fans
That didnt age well...
@@onigiri9964 yea just like Joe
Brother monte, the esports infidels must be jihaded for the haram they commit regularly. think of brother RL, and all who've fallen before him