The BAR was not a light machine gun. It held only 20 rounds. It was a squad automatic weapon, intended to give the rifle squad extra firepower and range.
It's in the BAR's name what it is and that is an "automatic rifle" automatic rifles are used for squad support but they aren't light machine guns, actually they were replaced with LMGs. That's why the US military replaced the BAR with the M60, they replaced the 20 round automatic rifle with a belt felt general purpose MG that was used also as a lmg due to its versatility.
At 21:45, it was stated that the M1 carbine fired "a pistol round". That is incorrect. The ammunition for the carbine was never a pistol cartridge; it was developed from the .32 Winchester Self Loader cartridge which itself was a rifle round.
@ 5:38 that is a member of the 5th RCT in Korea. Note the markings on the tank. 5 - I, for 5th Infantry. An RCT is a concept that goes back to WWII where a single infantry regiment would be teamed with an artillery battalion, engineer company, Tank Bn, Cavalry Troop & even Tank Destroyers, for more tactical mobility and deployment. Hence Regimental Combat Team. For example the 25th Division in the Pacific was broken into the 27th, 35th & 161st RCTs, the Separate 112th Cavalry (Special) in the Pacific was an RCT, & The separate 158th Bushmasters & 147th Cavemen were too. Most RCTs that were separate were issued their own patches if not belonging to their organic divisions.
Again, at 22:25 another error. Mr. Ruff extracts the standard magazine from a carbine and states that it holds 20 rounds! In fact, the original issue magazine held 15 rounds. The 30 round magazine was issued when fully automatic capability of the carbine was engineered. I'm out of here - too many egregious errors to waste time viewing!
Very Few B-17s had .30 Cal MGs early in the War They mounted .30 Cal MGs for Gunnery Practice and Ranging Practice, The 30. Cal MGs very of little value on Bombers, unlike the British, The Americans realized Rifle Caliber MGs were not as Effective as the .50 Cal.
British bombers flew a lot at night. I wonder if there were fewer encounters with enemy fighters per bomber/sortie? ....so maybe the caliber was not as important? Still, granted, 50 cal would be much better.
The Browning 30 caliber machine gun was rarely used on aircraft after the first year of the war, was almost universally replaced by the 50 caliber machine gun, and was never a part of the standard armament of the B-17. If you are going to claim to be offering documentary history then you need to get your facts right, particularly when they are as well known as that.
The Thompson and the BAR would have been very effective small arms in WW1. They were borderline obsolescent going into WW2. The M1 Garand was the best infantry rifle as US entered WW2. The Germans’ MP 44 pointed toward the future of small arms with a select fire high capacity infantry weapon firing an intermediate cartridge.
@@jasonrusso9808one has nothing to do with the other. Stronger economy wins most of the time. Technology is often overestimated, as is individual bravery.
@@jasonrusso9808 They really weren't that effective, the Thompson was far too expensive and difficult to maintain. It's the reason why we ultimately ended up adopting the M3 grease gun after the first year of the war. The BAR was decent, but it wasn't nearly as effective in it's intended role as a mobile general purpose machine gun as the German MG42 or British Bren gun were
That Ruff fellow needs to be fired. the .30 carbine cartridge is NOT a 'pistol' cartridge as he states. It was developed especially for that rifle. Yes, a small handful of pistols were subsequently chambered for it, but it was originally designed for use in the M1 carbine. And that is a 15 round magazine, not 20. 30 rounders were also available later on.
I don't know....perhaps it's his script writer that made the mistake. At any rate, I find this video makes quite a few mistakes. They completely skipped the STG44 and what its introduction onto the modern battlefield meant for future conflicts. Further, the narrator talks about the Korean and Vietnam Wars while failing to say anything about the AK-47/AKM. He jumps from the PPSH straight to Stoner's rifle (M16).
It should also be mentioned that that early in the war the Soviets had limited numbers of a semi-automatic rifle, the SVT-40. Many were captured by the Germans during the the disasterous early period of the German attack , also there were some manufacturing defects with the SVT-40, so the Soviets went back to the tried & true Mosin- Nagrant.rifle, widely supplemented by the PPSS-l ( spelling error) sub- machine gun. Another weapon of worthy mention is the first assault rife : the German Sturgmgehwar( spelling) that came out at thevend of the war.
I remember the early to late 60s when all sorts of WW2 surplus weapons could be purchased for $20 - 25 and some for less like the Italian Carcano, the rifle that killed JFK. I purchased a Star Model B for $20. I also remember going to the local Army Navy store and seeing barrels of full of WW2 bayonets in them. Most were selling for $3 - $5. Strange with all those guns available there were no mass shootings.
I fired the BAR, M14, M-16 M-2 50cal 90mm/105mm state side . with M14 is king of battle in vietnam. M-1 grand just heaver but still 30-06. M-60 is 23 lbs best of the rest.
Going into any war, there are always a shortage, yet there is so called too many guns- right upon the time there is too few. In Europe, firearms are limited year by year and at the same time they lack guns to the incident in a non disclosed area within the continent.
In the early '60's before Kenady was killed you could buy all kinds of ex-military weapons, national rifleman magazine sold MG 42's with plugged barrels, two pages father in sold the good barrels, I ordered a bunch of weapons and ammo from that magazine, MG42"s MP40's, the M1A2 carbines, Stg 44's and Fg42's, along with the grease gun's and BAR's. and a s**t load of ammo. I also ordered a couple of 106mm recoilless rifles, and 80mm mortar's, tuck a med. sized truck to deliver it all sadly, I had to get rid of it all in the late 70's as all of it was highly illegal by that then. god do I wish I still had it all..
I have a M1 carbine, stamped OCT 1943 on it and I LOVE IT. It's my very most favorite gun and it still works like a charm 81 years later. I use it regularly at the gun range.
Mags for m1 carbines were 15 and lateral 30 rds. Never 20. The m2 (select fire & bayonet ) and m3 (sniper) versions were also produced in WW II. More misinformation
Absolutely! Most especially the STG44 (the world's first "Assault Rifle") and the fact that Adolf Hitler was the man who first used that term; And the MG 42, a revolutionary design made Mostly of sheet metal stampings and still in production today. Oh well.
Absolutely! Most especially the STG44 (the world's first "Assault Rifle") and the fact that Adolf Hitler was the man who first used that term; And the MG 42, a revolutionary design made Mostly of sheet metal stampings and still in production today. Oh well.
It's amazing to me, that so much information on these weapons is presented with incorrect "facts". Even a curator of a firearms museum doesn';t even know the facts. Pathetic.
Yeah their firearms “expert” is a moron. As soon as he stated the M1 carbine had a 20 round mag I was done. After the last video I saw him waxing poetic about the AKs reliability being superior to the AR, and how an M16 would choke in mud but an AK would run forever because of the loose tolerance despite that trope being disproved over and over. Their expert should be fired or actually get some experience with the weapons he acts like an authority on
How did you manage to skip over the two most inoperant weapons to come out of WWII? Both German, first the MG 38, and the MG 42 which grew2 out of the need to produce a multipurpose MG, that was easier to manufacturer than the MG 38. The next two were the Fg42 developed for the German falschrimjager, and the SG44, which is the 'father' of all modern assault rifles.
Yeah not totally complete. The M1 carbine actually weighed four and three quarter pounds unless they were including a bayonet or the magazine. And I didn't hear anything about the M14,, maybe I missed it? And one of the license manufacturers of the M1 Garand was International Harvester! I was kind of shocked by that myself.
Great doc, terrible editing and reenactments. "Craddling his gun in his arms" the gun is not in his arms its straight up and down next to him. "The Japanese soldier flew rhe flap open, sword in hand" I didn't know a Garand was called a sword now
My most prized possession in my life: my Garand M-1. Without a doubt.
Got my M1, 1955 International Harvester matching numbers from the DCM in the 80's. Love it.
The BAR was not a light machine gun. It held only 20 rounds. It was a squad automatic weapon, intended to give the rifle squad extra firepower and range.
It's in the BAR's name what it is and that is an "automatic rifle" automatic rifles are used for squad support but they aren't light machine guns, actually they were replaced with LMGs. That's why the US military replaced the BAR with the M60, they replaced the 20 round automatic rifle with a belt felt general purpose MG that was used also as a lmg due to its versatility.
The BAR is indeed a light machine gun by the definition of its era.
Heavy gun that needed to have a sling to carry in 30.06 cal. Like Kirby in combat TV show
Every rifle had a sling. Standard equipment @@davidreed6264
i wish i could own one but canada
At 21:45, it was stated that the M1 carbine fired "a pistol round". That is incorrect. The ammunition for the carbine was never a pistol cartridge; it was developed from the .32 Winchester Self Loader cartridge which itself was a rifle round.
@ 5:38 that is a member of the 5th RCT in Korea. Note the markings on the tank. 5 - I, for 5th Infantry. An RCT is a concept that goes back to WWII where a single infantry regiment would be teamed with an artillery battalion, engineer company, Tank Bn, Cavalry Troop & even Tank Destroyers, for more tactical mobility and deployment. Hence Regimental Combat Team. For example the 25th Division in the Pacific was broken into the 27th, 35th & 161st RCTs, the Separate 112th Cavalry (Special) in the Pacific was an RCT, & The separate 158th Bushmasters & 147th Cavemen were too. Most RCTs that were separate were issued their own patches if not belonging to their organic divisions.
9:32 All variants of the B-17s used M2 Brownings, not M1919s.
3:31 The first users of the Tommie Gun were the Irish Republican Army when they got some M1921 versions in 1921.
Again, at 22:25 another error. Mr. Ruff extracts the standard magazine from a carbine and states that it holds 20 rounds! In fact, the original issue magazine held 15 rounds. The 30 round magazine was issued when fully automatic capability of the carbine was engineered.
I'm out of here - too many egregious errors to waste time viewing!
Exactly how was the M1carbine developed in direct response to blitzkrieg tactics?
That guy doesn't have a clue what he's talking about! He even gets the magazine capacity of the M1 carbine wrong. Not 20 rounds - 15.
Very Few B-17s had .30 Cal MGs early in the War They mounted .30 Cal MGs for Gunnery Practice and Ranging Practice, The 30. Cal MGs very of little value on Bombers, unlike the British, The Americans realized Rifle Caliber MGs were not as Effective as the .50 Cal.
British bombers flew a lot at night. I wonder if there were fewer encounters with enemy fighters per bomber/sortie? ....so maybe the caliber was not as important? Still, granted, 50 cal would be much better.
@@TheDesertwalkerthey flew at night because their defenses were so weak that they had no choice.
The Browning 30 caliber machine gun was rarely used on aircraft after the first year of the war, was almost universally replaced by the 50 caliber machine gun, and was never a part of the standard armament of the B-17. If you are going to claim to be offering documentary history then you need to get your facts right, particularly when they are as well known as that.
Yep. .30cal was often flex mounted on U.S. dive-bombers, but was rarely seen on B-17s except the single mount at radio station.
Awesome...
Thank you nice documentary ❤. And m-1 garand is stilled used in foreign today
The Thompson and the BAR would have been very effective small arms in WW1. They were borderline obsolescent going into WW2. The M1 Garand was the best infantry rifle as US entered WW2. The Germans’ MP 44 pointed toward the future of small arms with a select fire high capacity infantry weapon firing an intermediate cartridge.
Employed for the intended purpose, both are still relevant today.
Um, they were effective. We won ... remember?
@@jasonrusso9808one has nothing to do with the other. Stronger economy wins most of the time. Technology is often overestimated, as is individual bravery.
@@jasonrusso9808 They really weren't that effective, the Thompson was far too expensive and difficult to maintain. It's the reason why we ultimately ended up adopting the M3 grease gun after the first year of the war. The BAR was decent, but it wasn't nearly as effective in it's intended role as a mobile general purpose machine gun as the German MG42 or British Bren gun were
That Ruff fellow needs to be fired. the .30 carbine cartridge is NOT a 'pistol' cartridge as he states. It was developed especially for that rifle. Yes, a small handful of pistols were subsequently chambered for it, but it was originally designed for use in the M1 carbine.
And that is a 15 round magazine, not 20. 30 rounders were also available later on.
I don't know....perhaps it's his script writer that made the mistake. At any rate, I find this video makes quite a few mistakes. They completely skipped the STG44 and what its introduction onto the modern battlefield meant for future conflicts. Further, the narrator talks about the Korean and Vietnam Wars while failing to say anything about the AK-47/AKM. He jumps from the PPSH straight to Stoner's rifle (M16).
Video starts at 2:14.
Great Video. Thanks. 🇺🇸
It should also be mentioned that that early in the war the Soviets had limited numbers of a semi-automatic rifle, the SVT-40. Many were captured by the Germans during the the disasterous early period of the German attack , also there were some manufacturing defects with the SVT-40, so the Soviets went back to the tried & true Mosin- Nagrant.rifle, widely supplemented by the PPSS-l ( spelling error) sub- machine gun.
Another weapon of worthy mention is the first assault rife : the German Sturgmgehwar( spelling) that came out at thevend of the war.
My Dad was an Army Air Force CSM during the Korean Conflict. I have pictures of him and his corporal with M 2 Carbines.
I remember the early to late 60s when all sorts of WW2 surplus weapons could be purchased for $20 - 25 and some for less like the Italian Carcano, the rifle that killed JFK. I purchased a Star Model B for $20. I also remember going to the local Army Navy store and seeing barrels of full of WW2 bayonets in them. Most were selling for $3 - $5. Strange with all those guns available there were no mass shootings.
I fired the BAR, M14, M-16 M-2 50cal 90mm/105mm state side . with M14 is king of battle in vietnam. M-1 grand just heaver but still 30-06. M-60 is 23 lbs best of the rest.
FN FAL
Its amazing what just 1 motivated soldier or marine can and will do in combat
Going into any war, there are always a shortage, yet there is so called too many guns- right upon the time there is too few. In Europe, firearms are limited year by year and at the same time they lack guns to the incident in a non disclosed area within the continent.
In the early '60's before Kenady was killed you could buy all kinds of ex-military weapons, national rifleman magazine sold MG 42's with plugged barrels, two pages father in sold the good barrels, I ordered a bunch of weapons and ammo from that magazine, MG42"s MP40's, the M1A2 carbines, Stg 44's and Fg42's, along with the grease gun's and BAR's. and a s**t load of ammo. I also ordered a couple of 106mm recoilless rifles, and 80mm mortar's, tuck a med. sized truck to deliver it all sadly, I had to get rid of it all in the late 70's as all of it was highly illegal by that then. god do I wish I still had it all..
This is from when folks thought they could make a weak ass documentary and voice it with a Charlton Heston sound-alike and make money. Maybe not.
What🤔
Well I think these documentaries are amazing! Informative and enternaing. I appreciate them.
M1 Garand my preference
I have a M1 carbine, stamped OCT 1943 on it and I LOVE IT. It's my very most favorite gun and it still works like a charm 81 years later. I use it regularly at the gun range.
Mags for m1 carbines were 15 and lateral 30 rds. Never 20. The m2 (select fire & bayonet ) and m3 (sniper) versions were also produced in WW II. More misinformation
Truly brave men, of that there can be no gripes
Awesome great documentary
Although lesser in numbers, I thought the Springfield bolt action used for sniping by the US may have got a mention. Otherwise 👍
Also early in the war they were standard issue to marines in the pacific, before they got M1’s
The M1903 Springfield is one hell of a rifle. I also thought they would showcase this amazing feat of American ingenuity.
They were issued to be grenade launchers to or so I was led to believe
I had a 1903, wonderful weapon
This is more a documentary about medal of honor recipients than the evolution of firearms. Also, where ist the STG44, FG42, MG42, PPSh-41.
Absolutely! Most especially the STG44 (the world's first "Assault Rifle") and the fact that Adolf Hitler was the man who first used that term; And the MG 42, a revolutionary design made Mostly of sheet metal stampings and still in production today. Oh well.
Absolutely! Most especially the STG44 (the world's first "Assault Rifle") and the fact that Adolf Hitler was the man who first used that term; And the MG 42, a revolutionary design made Mostly of sheet metal stampings and still in production today. Oh well.
This documentary series is mostly focused on American weapons even though it claims to be weapons that changed the world and blah blah.
No it was not the Lee-Metford but the Lee-Enfield 1907 SMLE
The USAAF aircraft of WW II had only .50 cal HBMG on their aircraft.
It's amazing to me, that so much information on these weapons is presented with incorrect "facts". Even a curator of a firearms museum doesn';t even know the facts. Pathetic.
I caught that too. 20? Round mag. Uh no 15.
This is a pretty cheesy film
Shut up nerd
This is less about the weapons than it is about the Men, the facts regarding Men can sometimes be inaccurately recalled Brave men can do anything
Yeah their firearms “expert” is a moron. As soon as he stated the M1 carbine had a 20 round mag I was done. After the last video I saw him waxing poetic about the AKs reliability being superior to the AR, and how an M16 would choke in mud but an AK would run forever because of the loose tolerance despite that trope being disproved over and over. Their expert should be fired or actually get some experience with the weapons he acts like an authority on
How did you manage to skip over the two most inoperant weapons to come out of WWII? Both German, first the MG 38, and the MG 42 which grew2 out of the need to produce a multipurpose MG, that was easier to manufacturer than the MG 38.
The next two were the Fg42 developed for the German falschrimjager, and the SG44, which is the 'father' of all modern assault rifles.
My favourites rifles
You forgot to add the M14
The M14 was not a gun of WWII.
It became standard infantry rifle around 1958
@@chris.3711Neither was the M16, and it got a mention.
Yeah not totally complete. The M1 carbine actually weighed four and three quarter pounds unless they were including a bayonet or the magazine. And I didn't hear anything about the M14,, maybe I missed it? And one of the license manufacturers of the M1 Garand was International Harvester! I was kind of shocked by that myself.
What about British Arms?
Well I do know the .30 caliber machine gun was not used on the B-17.
Just think if there had been no prohibition there would have been no roaring twenties and no gangsters. No NFA
Lol, the thompson weighs as much as, if not more than the rifles most servicemen carried. Not lightweight by any stretch.
The M-1 carbine was an under- powered peashooter, better for varmint hunting than combat!!!
Great doc, terrible editing and reenactments. "Craddling his gun in his arms" the gun is not in his arms its straight up and down next to him. "The Japanese soldier flew rhe flap open, sword in hand" I didn't know a Garand was called a sword now
The Korean war started a half a decade later!
😢 shameful. U.s marine changed 1911 45 caliber for m9 Beretta
Hmmmm......a bit lmited to US weaponry. Pretty sure there were other nations with better firearm development in areas.
Yeah well let them make their own documentaries
Yeah well let them make their own documentaries
Wow the first sentence was factually incorrect. And it got worse from there
Where is the lee enfield
Ah yes, the jungles of Korea...
An 8round CIP???????
The Thompson submachine gun was 10 pounds. it hardly qualified as light.
Dilinger and other bank rogers liked the b.a.r. it was more accurate and shot a hunting round
you forgot the Russian SVT-40
Intro too long
I didmt know korea had jungles lol
The Thompson was not light in weight.
Lots of mistakes