“Could iT Be That i Have GiVeN uP...???” “We, the Peeps of tHiS... A. iN U.S. Brave N.W.Ordinance, o’Social MedioCrity’s Two Minutes of HaTE’s 15 minutes Of Shh... FAME.”
The symbol for the Process Church of the final judgment on the out side of the building ,With Puppy he made a whole themed album based upon its principal's primary of which for the Process is the unification of Christ and Satan as well as Jehovah and Lucifer as one being and I believe within ones self the use of deity names being used for many reasons including religious, philosophical, and psychological and meant to relate to the nature of the universe and mans own internal nature.
I understand some of the animosity he may hold for certain artists in this, especially Manson. Reznor is a god himself tho. To say NIN is a ripoff of SP is insane. Every NIN album is completely different. i always thought it was hilarious at the fact some of his music videos were to obscene to air. besides SP is fucking awesome, the whole cult aspect is what makes them for me. i heard they even toured together once.......i'd shit and die
+ninmachine109 NIN's later albums definitely show a creative bankruptcy (although he seems to be heading in a better direction now through film work), and trent to some degree undeniably sold out the counter-culture that made him for the mainstream.
Such as who? That's a bullshit statement without anything backing it up. Typical...and I'm a huge Puppy fan ....much more than Nails. I really don't like NIN that much but I have never seen the comparison. Why? Because they used distorted synths and drum machines to construct music with? Nails seemed closer to Depeche Mode to me with more of a "pop" structure. Easily sung verses and choruses. Puppy was much more abstract and there were plenty of dark industrial acts at that time that you could say NIN were more influenced by. I could see his first few albums had these influences but his more recent material definitely has its own stamp. I really don't see who he is blatantly ripping off these days. We all have influences but they are way less obvious now apparently.
Well duh! Everyone knows that. Did you think you were making some kind of news flash? We are still on the same continent. I saw a video of how much Ohger likes the germans for their speed, efficiency and quality of work. Not to mention their label is German now.
If anyone actually took the time to fully listen to or read all the lyrics to this song, and not just watch and pay attention to the video and nothing else, it's fairly obvious it isn't about Manson, Reznor, Eminem, and dissing them for whatever reason people would like to imagine, It's about Ogre acknowledging certain feelings of bitterness, resentment, and jealousy for not being more popular and having as much notoriety and fame as these other artists in Industrial music, despite being one of the main artists responsible for developing and popularizing the genre, and rightfully so, to an extent, and thinking about miming or aping their style to gain more popularity, being frustrated that he can't understand these artists, their music, and/or why it is so popular or how to be popular like them, expressed in the lyrics, "Feeling blind to all important scenes", then, despite these feelings, ultimately realizing he shouldn't care about such things and should "give it up," because "it's unoriginal," to try and copy other artists' style, as the song puts it, and should ignore these thoughts and focus on staying true to his own artistry. I mean, everybody knows about how Trent straight up just admitted he ripped off "Dig It" for "Down In It", If anyone has the right to feel that way, it's him. I mean, how would you feel if someone admitted to straight up lifting your work when you helped develop and flesh out and establish a genre more and getting more popular then you? Wouldn't any normal person feel at least the slightest hint of resentment? Can you blame him? And despite that, Ogre still acknowledges these feelings are wrong in the lyrics and he shouldn't care and just focus on doing his own thing. So ultimately this song is Ogre introspecting more than anything else and it sounds to me like he isn't being critical towards other artists for selling out to appease a broader mainstream audience as many people might be led to believe as much as he is criticizing himself for even thinking about doing just that, hence the lyric, "Still sucking life from the mainstream?" Ogre realizes that he "thinks he's evil" for thinking about ripping off these artists, "but you're not," but he's not, realizing it's okay to feel that way as long as you don't dwell on these feelings to much and sell out and move on and continue upon your own personal artistic venture. Lecture/rant over. Now could we all just move on and enjoy the music with proper context?
In fairness, Trent was always respectful towards Puppy and gave credit where due. I got into NIN first, then checked out SP because Trent namechecked them.
I met him after a show, and he said something to me that I will never forget. Listening to this years later, I finally understand what he said when he spoke. And you're dead on... I listen to other artists, but Ogre and cKey created the medium.
@Princess Stomper Yes and no. SP and NIN have had some issues... early NIN Trent WAS respectful, but by Downward/Fragile era, kinda shit on SP... even though they had done work together.
@@replicant1988 Reznor was trying to distance himself from the comparisons during that peak it seems. It was like he was "Can I just have my moment for fucks sake?" Creating masterpieces like Downward spiral and the Fragile and having them be commercial and critical successes is no small feat (many REAL forgettable knockoffs and imitators would follow) NIN stood tall on its own merits by then. The comparisons were lazy at that point Reznor has come full circle (time and maturity will do that) and whole heartedly cites Puppy as influencial in recent interviews
Is there anything like Ohgr? Honestly, I just love the fact that theyre just insanely wierd as well as their music. But you cant expect anything less from the frontman of skinny puppy, their both awesome as hell.
the people that complain or praise one or the other artist have to realise that this video isnt supposed to be a serious 'shit talk' or 'naysay' about NIN or EMINEM. ogre and trent are both cool guys and played together in pigface, hes mostly poking fun at the artists here (he even said himself in an interview) much like how eminem rips on other artists in his own songs. its not to be taken to heart. its a good and catchy song, and is a sweet video. its musical, artistic. and its very much ohGr.
@@jimhamsnow6950 They actually did! NINs "Suck" was a Trent and Ogre production and they performed the early pigface version live together. There you go - both together in '91: ua-cam.com/video/fUC3LL8uUFQ/v-deo.html
I once saw an interview with Ogre and William Morrison (who played guitar in OhGr as well as did the video for the song). They said that the video wasn't a dig on Trent, but rather basically just poking a little fun at a friend.
Ohgr didn't even know the NIN and Eminem shit was even in this video. It was a "surprise" by the animator. If anything Ohgr gets frustrated sometimes. He says that Reznor is 2 steps ahead of him musically. And the "March of the Pigs" in the video represents Ohgr being trampled by Trents success. And NIN is Independent now you know that right?
This comments section hurts my head. If you hate the music, go somewhere else. And, just to clarify, Ogre and Trent don't have any real "beef" with one another. They're moreso friends, and have even collaborated together in Pigface. This song is just a goofy poke.
You are right. All this drama is mostly created by the fans. Trent has always been clear about who are the originators. Just like the Clash in the punk era he made it popular. And this coming from not that big a fan of NIN.
@@lestermagoo The Tear Garden is good, as well as The Legendary Pink Dots which are arguably better than the Tear Garden. Either way, it’s all preference really. I enjoy Skinny Puppy, Pink Dots, Tear Garden, and ohGr all similarly. They’re all amazing in my mind and perfect for whatever mood I might be in :))
Another thing.. under the Process logo in the beginning of the video, it says ""Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate", or, "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."
Yes that is one thing I will say you are right. I really don't think ohgr would that type of person. I have meet ohgr twice, and he was really cool. I don't think he would really do something like that. Mr. key on the other hand, who I am a huge fan of was very rude. But what can you say he is one of the best despite how he acts to a fan.
IF, in fact, it is to Trent: I find it funny, cos back on the PHM tour, there was this one girl I know who he was really nice to---and not a nasty person at all.
i'm sad, that's the whole NIN thing, and it's still like loving something, and the most popular thing that people know is a bastardization of what you love
Yeah the songs most likely about how many mainstream acts really don't care about how shitty their music is all they want is the money. Hence the line "Still sucking life from the mainstream). But Ohgr didn't know that Eminem or Trent where even in the video until he watched it. They said its nothing personal for Trent,they are just "Poking fun at an old friend." Trent was never a pop-whore. I am pretty sure he hates pop culture.
Ohgr/Dave stated in an interview that the part with Trent was not originally suppose to be offensive. Though Trent really did sell out I think order of symbolic appearance are as follows: I think the lightbulb is suppose to be garbage. The fortune teller, Insane Clown Possse Trent,NiN And his march of pigs overwhelming Ohgr Eminem And lastly Ohgr himself reminiscent of his SP days Parody; Music Industry, Living up to, and binded to your past accomplishments. Video touches my heart
tool came after sp, nin and ministry, so no, tool looks like a skinny puppy video. also the groundbreaking work with animation was done by germans first. fact. when you find something you think is cool, make sure that someone else hasn't done it first.
I doubt Ogre would be talking shit about Trent, Trent did a nice cover of Skinny Puppy during a Ministry show, I think there are videos of it. That would be a dick move on his part and since Ogre is canadian I don't think he'd do that.
yah theres a video of a interview somewhere with kevin ogilive and he says the whole eminem thing was entirely the music video directors choice which the band had nothing to do with.
Does it even matter NIN,Marylin manson,Skinny puppy,and Ministry are amazing.What if they took each others ideas.Thats like saying that all the artist no a days are ripping off the Beatles.The Beatles where the first to creat the music video if you didnt know.Now i f you choose to disagree go ahead.
I know! Pore has always been one of my favs, though the entire Welt album was pretty damn awesome. I think it's pretty neat that bands still cover Kraftwerk, even if it is just the one song. ;)
Exactly! Trent never chose to be mainstream. his music just played on radio. When was the last time you heard Skinny Puppy or Ohgr on the radio? They're all amazing artists and if Skinny Puppy OR Ohgr got more air time radio wise they'd have a much larger following. They've all done a LOT for industrial and they are all enjoyable. Remember people, this video was done in jest to begin with ;-)
Sorry if that sounded harsh. There was an excellent german art piece with stop motion photography, it directly inspired this type of video .. It was very similar to the tool video with the moving meat through the water pipes.
Jan Svankmajer maybe? Not German but Czech, has some majorly creepy (and amazingly awesome) stop motion shorts & movies, some are here on UA-cam. The Brothers Quay, who created the videos for Tool, have cited him as an influence and even named a film after him.
Ummm. I belive that Teznor has mentioned SP,coil, ministry among others as influences.This is well known, Saying he ripped off music from more unknown artists is stupid and old. You could have said this more than 20 years ago when NIN's tDS came out. Reznor never pretended to b the most inovative or original artist ever. EVERY artist is influenced by others. Don't hate an artist just because one is more popular than others. If u think that Ohgr is your god...well, cool story bro. I have no gods
They ARE NOT mainstream and yeah sometimes underground music gets popular but thats not the problem, the problem is the records wants to to make specific music for the majority(who may be braindead kids. or ppls in general) and the artist gets mnoey greedy too, his "free" stuff was crap(IMO ofc)(The Slip, 9000 or whatever it was called) ...
I'm commenting from the future...it's 2023 on my time-line, I know your all excited about the new century and look forward to a new progressive amerika...I'm sorry to tell you that your currently living the best life you will ever know. Slow things down and soak it all up cuz this is as good as it will NEVER be again. Oh.. also Skinny Puppy did a reunion tour that started in 2013 and ends this year now that's commitment!
Manablue Moonpix yeah tool also ripped off Front 242. Tools most popular album cover is a blatant rip-off of the modern angel album of Front 242. So yes they're clearly fans of industrial. However.........the point is......... it's not original. EEE HEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
William Morrison directed the video and a few other Ohgr videos, he also directed Skinny Puppy's killing game music video. he also happens to play live with Skinny Puppy and Ohgr when they tour.
i still disagree and have to agree that Nivek is right on the "March OF The Pigs" i jkust dontl ike pop orented music, mostly because the genre has(allso as ITS CALLED) been made to popularitys bitch...
Eminem is racist/fascist shit... Underground FTW. DOWN WHITH THE MAINSTREAM-ERS!!! NIN is dead too... Atleast SP and OhGr dosen't do the music for money, and this is definetly Electro/Industrial!
Eminem's sux, listen to Immortal Technique (though ignore his libertarian nutcase view) and The Coupe(or Cape i forgot) im not even sure what the group was called.
They put shit on Eminem which Is really funny to me. "ooOOh Im a rap God!!" nah you can sing fast but that's all you have you're just a flexer XD I'm not a fan of rap and while I have respect for that guy with his talent It's not for me. This however, this Is what I like. Also small edit I get It's not actually about that but I'd like to imagine so Another edit: I just realized there's the minotaur that shows up near the end losing his damn mind. And at the end there's the labyrinth. Pretty cool symbolism for what this song's about.
@plasticsmile231 No one is more entitled to their opinion than another. No matter how ignorant they are. And everyone is also able to translate the music into whatever meaning they want. Some people cry when hearing a song, when others get riled up by it. But Shoogle is pretty much right on, regardless. :) personal vendettas against anyone... who gives a shit, just enjoy the music.
@Armagon9177 nothing wrong with his music today. he's just gettin old and wants to explore and do different things other than that hateful music all the time. not to mention, but when he stopped doing drugs, he lost a lot of animosity that he has for things...i think anything reznor touches is gold...and i actually was listening to nine inch nails when PHM came out..before they got all "trendy"...doesnt matter...if they are or not...nin still beats the shit outta most music today
@OrbitZombie The Fragile outsold PHM and it was released under his own lable. I'm pretty sure he made alot more money off it then PHM. That and PHM's ownership rights are all fucked up and currently owned by a bank, Trent essentailly makes writing/performance royalties off of it whenever it's printed. I'd assume he probably made a decent amount off of The Slip aswell, seeing as how he got to pocket everthing (minus overhead). And once you factor in the tour revenue that each album generates...
Well if you listen to interviews it doesn't seem like anyone really likes Trent all that much. I'm not trying to stand up for the guy, I think this kind of thing should be beneath Ogre though, it's more something you'd hear hip-hop guys do. I'm not a fan of NIN in the slightest,but I don't love everything Ogre's done either. Cevin Key on the other hand is the man and can do no wrong. Duane was pretty great too RIP.
Are you serious who cares if he covered a sp song during the ministry show. The only reason Trent was singed was because he ripped off a sp song. Down in it was a clear rip off of dig it. If you don't believe me look it up he openly admits it. Either way sp owns nails any day hands down. Look at Manson have you seen his live show? It looks a lot like an sp show you would see in the 80s.
The point the video is making is that Everything in the music industry is pretty much diluted, how bands are trying to be controversial and they aren't(slipknot,Korn...blahblahblah). It also has undertones of how everyone sells out. You don't have to dig deep too understand the concepts here. (the NIN thing is a take on a common phrase "oh ohgr???you mean that guy that sounds linke reznor???"
Well, just because it is mainstream, doesn't mean it's good. Likewise, a lot of independent musicians are also sucky. It's just that sadly, a lot of mainstream lately has no talent to offer. Good examples are record label creations like the Pussycat Dolls who have no talent except look hot for the camera. A lot of rap vids do the same by filling the screen with gyrating dancing girls... Everyone just seems to be after the sex appeal while music comes secondary...
There's nothing wrong with listening to underground music, either. Just because it's different doesn't mean it's bad. Infact, all of that horrible generic rock that they play on the radio isn't even half as good as the more complex things, such as those with better playing (Dream Theater) or meaningful messages (Skinny Puppy).
skinny puppy, kill thrill kult, ministry, girls under glass, all in my eyes started industrial,.. without them there would be no mainstream crap people hear of today, rammstein, das ich, psyclone nine, cruxshadows, so on. of course theres one hero who started industrial and "goth" PETER (fucking) MURPHY
the problem is not so much trent, but these kids who worship him when equally or more so talented artists do not get credit. Yes, every musician has influences, but Trent has literally stolen music, as well as Led Zeppelin and others. Than claimed originality.
Um... for everyone who doesn't know the history/who Skinny Puppy is, the reason Trent Reznor is in this, isn't because he failed musically or anything, it's because he royally ripped off one of Skinny Puppy's song (Nivek Ogre AKA ohGr)
He oftens talk about it, but check your booklets if he even mentions industrial bands, he never does it there. He says he likes twitch because someone directly asks him for his fav ministry album. In pretty hate machine he gives thanx to prince...BULLSHIT
@napalmcoffee its morely about reznor and all the people who claim to be true to there roots and will never change but are just selling out and doing whatever makes more money instead of staying true to there art.
Quite frankly, Manson stole a lot of shit from artists. I also heard a rumor that Mr. Warner may have killed the original singer of Christian Death... (If you don't know who that is... Shame on you.).
fortune teller with the cards:insane clown posse, light bulb headed character:garbage, march of the pigs:nine inch nails, rapper:emenim what is the minotaur and then the skeleton with the cigarrette?
Not better in being "massive" or anything. But really there's nothing wrong with a little balance occasionally. SP could write a halfway happy song occasionally also... At least Syd Barrett happy.
@OrbitZombie trent reznor has never been happy to be in the public eye. he was actually out raged at the success of "downward spiral". even off drugs he's a dark guy.
Technically it is. From what I read, he's overlooked each of your comments as he never really touched upon them but has just repeatedly told you to butt out. Just saying!
True Adam is Bipolar and in his new book admits everything fucked up thing he did very openly~ but he did it to himself. Trent's thing was just wrong,there is a youtube video out where Adam now on proper meds openly says "hear is a song you might know by NIN that I wrote and Trent stole with out rights,royalties or credit" ~ I know Trent's story but it's a fact he came from money. Another sad issue is that of Rozz,was friends with him we kept in contact sadly he did kill himself
Entirely you opinion. And I was not saying ANY of those groups you've mentioned sold out. I like Sister Machine Gun,Throbbing Gristle,Ministry,NIN,Skinny Puppy,Ohgr,FLA and Rammstein. Trent Reznor hasn't sold out. Hes been giving away MP3s for FREE and if you want a Vinyl or CD version pay. He has not been making near as much money as he used to. He cleaned up from drug addictions,got buff and started making new music which you don't like because its not the same psycho stuff he used to make.
No need to get spikey. Personally I don't think that not seeing the point means being part of the problem. I don't read celebrity magazines, nor do I worry too much about musician's lives :) Don't assume just because I don't agree with you, that I'm what you are complaining about. Why worry about what other people say or think anyway? As long as you are happy with not caring about the irrelevant histories of artists, what do you need to holler about it? =)
the mainstream has nothing to offer anymore. Thats why I just look at internet referral sites because MTV and radio has nothing but boring, repetetive music.
i thought that REPO was awesome...but at the same time it sucked ass! Ogre and Bills parts could have and should have been way bigger. I'd like to see a movie with just the two of them! but their parts were awesome and the premise of the movie was cool...but Paris Hilton and all those other hacks...it was good. but could have been better...like everything though...
About time someone see's that Kent Reznik is a put on,you all laughed when I said it,now Ohgr Says it you might listen... how about the hidden track Physical? look that up an Adam and the Ants song and said he was never paid for or given credit. Hard to suffer when you've been handed everything
Actually the lyric goes "Still sucking life from the mainstream." I think the message of that part is along the lines of "I wouldn't have a problem with mainstream music if greedy assholes didn't get paid millions to write shitty unoriginal unintelligent uninspired music." But thats just my guess. ^_^
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I like that I listened to this as a teenager, now as a full grown man child, I actually feel it.
What can ya do? It's so deluded, give it up.
“Could iT Be That i Have GiVeN uP...???”
“We, the Peeps of tHiS... A. iN U.S. Brave N.W.Ordinance, o’Social MedioCrity’s Two Minutes of HaTE’s 15 minutes Of Shh... FAME.”
OhGr in general helped alot with my DID.
same
Me too
The symbol for the Process Church of the final judgment on the out side of the building ,With Puppy he made a whole themed album based upon its principal's primary of which for the Process is the unification of Christ and Satan as well as Jehovah and Lucifer as one being and I believe within ones self the use of deity names being used for many reasons including religious, philosophical, and psychological and meant to relate to the nature of the universe and mans own internal nature.
I put this on Facebook and it got flagged for hate speech. 🤣🙃
Never happened to me. I've posted it. Quite a few times.
...if any hate at all, it's against oneself.
Listen
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I understand some of the animosity he may hold for certain artists in this, especially Manson. Reznor is a god himself tho. To say NIN is a ripoff of SP is insane. Every NIN album is completely different. i always thought it was hilarious at the fact some of his music videos were to obscene to air. besides SP is fucking awesome, the whole cult aspect is what makes them for me. i heard they even toured together once.......i'd shit and die
+ninmachine109
NIN's later albums definitely show a creative bankruptcy (although he seems to be heading in a better direction now through film work), and trent to some degree undeniably sold out the counter-culture that made him for the mainstream.
hahahah "Reznor is a God" the God of douchebags and posers maybe.
"Every NIN album is completely different." Yes he still keeps ripping artist left and right
How is he ripping off artists left and right?
Such as who? That's a bullshit statement without anything backing it up. Typical...and I'm a huge Puppy fan ....much more than Nails. I really don't like NIN that much but I have never seen the comparison. Why? Because they used distorted synths and drum machines to construct music with? Nails seemed closer to Depeche Mode to me with more of a "pop" structure. Easily sung verses and choruses. Puppy was much more abstract and there were plenty of dark industrial acts at that time that you could say NIN were more influenced by. I could see his first few albums had these influences but his more recent material definitely has its own stamp. I really don't see who he is blatantly ripping off these days. We all have influences but they are way less obvious now apparently.
agreed!
Now this is what original looks like
Well duh! Everyone knows that. Did you think you were making some kind of news flash? We are still on the same continent. I saw a video of how much Ohger likes the germans for their speed, efficiency and quality of work. Not to mention their label is German now.
wow that was a direct jab at Trent
and exactly what song did nine inch nails rip off?
If anyone actually took the time to fully listen to or read all the lyrics to this song, and not just watch and pay attention to the video and nothing else, it's fairly obvious it isn't about Manson, Reznor, Eminem, and dissing them for whatever reason people would like to imagine, It's about Ogre acknowledging certain feelings of bitterness, resentment, and jealousy for not being more popular and having as much notoriety and fame as these other artists in Industrial music, despite being one of the main artists responsible for developing and popularizing the genre, and rightfully so, to an extent, and thinking about miming or aping their style to gain more popularity, being frustrated that he can't understand these artists, their music, and/or why it is so popular or how to be popular like them, expressed in the lyrics, "Feeling blind to all important scenes", then, despite these feelings, ultimately realizing he shouldn't care about such things and should "give it up," because "it's unoriginal," to try and copy other artists' style, as the song puts it, and should ignore these thoughts and focus on staying true to his own artistry.
I mean, everybody knows about how Trent straight up just admitted he ripped off "Dig It" for "Down In It", If anyone has the right to feel that way, it's him. I mean, how would you feel if someone admitted to straight up lifting your work when you helped develop and flesh out and establish a genre more and getting more popular then you? Wouldn't any normal person feel at least the slightest hint of resentment? Can you blame him? And despite that, Ogre still acknowledges these feelings are wrong in the lyrics and he shouldn't care and just focus on doing his own thing. So ultimately this song is Ogre introspecting more than anything else and it sounds to me like he isn't being critical towards other artists for selling out to appease a broader mainstream audience as many people might be led to believe as much as he is criticizing himself for even thinking about doing just that, hence the lyric, "Still sucking life from the mainstream?" Ogre realizes that he "thinks he's evil" for thinking about ripping off these artists, "but you're not," but he's not, realizing it's okay to feel that way as long as you don't dwell on these feelings to much and sell out and move on and continue upon your own personal artistic venture. Lecture/rant over. Now could we all just move on and enjoy the music with proper context?
In fairness, Trent was always respectful towards Puppy and gave credit where due. I got into NIN first, then checked out SP because Trent namechecked them.
I met him after a show, and he said something to me that I will never forget.
Listening to this years later, I finally understand what he said when he spoke.
And you're dead on...
I listen to other artists, but Ogre and cKey created the medium.
@Princess Stomper Yes and no. SP and NIN have had some issues... early NIN Trent WAS respectful, but by Downward/Fragile era, kinda shit on SP... even though they had done work together.
You are a man with knowledge..
@@replicant1988 Reznor was trying to distance himself from the comparisons during that peak it seems.
It was like he was "Can I just have my moment for fucks sake?"
Creating masterpieces like Downward spiral and the Fragile and having them be commercial and critical successes is no small feat (many REAL forgettable knockoffs and imitators would follow)
NIN stood tall on its own merits by then. The comparisons were lazy at that point
Reznor has come full circle (time and maturity will do that) and whole heartedly cites Puppy as influencial in recent interviews
Is there anything like Ohgr? Honestly, I just love the fact that theyre just insanely wierd as well as their music. But you cant expect anything less from the frontman of skinny puppy, their both awesome as hell.
the people that complain or praise one or the other artist have to realise that this video isnt supposed to be a serious 'shit talk' or 'naysay' about NIN or EMINEM. ogre and trent are both cool guys and played together in pigface, hes mostly poking fun at the artists here (he even said himself in an interview) much like how eminem rips on other artists in his own songs. its not to be taken to heart. its a good and catchy song, and is a sweet video. its musical, artistic. and its very much ohGr.
It's all about shit talking about mainstream media, God I hate mainstream media
Pigface has like 300 members. There was a joke that "everyone is in pigface". I doubt ogre and trent worked that close on anything.
@@jimhamsnow6950 They actually did!
NINs "Suck" was a Trent and Ogre production and they performed the early pigface version live together.
There you go - both together in '91:
ua-cam.com/video/fUC3LL8uUFQ/v-deo.html
Another moment documents the fleeting magic of what could have been. God that line always it's so clos to home. It's perfectly written
I saw ohGr open for KMFDM in a small club during KMFDM’s Hell Yeah Tour it was awesome
Same here, Brighton Music Hall in Allston Ma.
Little venue, mostly standing area, great to be so close to the stage. Sticky floors.
Yep san diego ca . They got to do another tour together
I once saw an interview with Ogre and William Morrison (who played guitar in OhGr as well as did the video for the song). They said that the video wasn't a dig on Trent, but rather basically just poking a little fun at a friend.
crazy that this is 20 years old now
Older if you consider how long it took for ohGr to put out this album.
It was being made when Descent 2 on PC came out.
Truly
This song never gets old.
True dat.
I still like it my I'm Young and dumb
Ohgr didn't even know the NIN and Eminem shit was even in this video. It was a "surprise" by the animator.
If anything Ohgr gets frustrated sometimes.
He says that Reznor is 2 steps ahead of him musically. And the "March of the Pigs" in the video represents Ohgr being trampled by Trents success.
And NIN is Independent now you know that right?
Yeah
@@bennybigiron8471 stop crying... Nin and skinny are awesome... And this thing to talk bad to another artist is so inmature....
Great trolling by Ohgr
This comments section hurts my head. If you hate the music, go somewhere else. And, just to clarify, Ogre and Trent don't have any real "beef" with one another. They're moreso friends, and have even collaborated together in Pigface. This song is just a goofy poke.
You are right. All this drama is mostly created by the fans. Trent has always been clear about who are the originators. Just like the Clash in the punk era he made it popular. And this coming from not that big a fan of NIN.
This whole album is amazing. My favorite SP side project for sure. Thanks for the inspiration and getting me in the music business!
All props to Oghr, but there's no way his solo projects are better than Tear Garden. Pshaw!
@@lestermagoo The Tear Garden is good, as well as The Legendary Pink Dots which are arguably better than the Tear Garden. Either way, it’s all preference really. I enjoy Skinny Puppy, Pink Dots, Tear Garden, and ohGr all similarly. They’re all amazing in my mind and perfect for whatever mood I might be in :))
It's so deluded, give it up. It's unoriginal.
I didnt like this particular OhGr track at first but it is super fucking catchy, lol...
Same
Another thing.. under the Process logo in the beginning of the video, it says ""Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate", or, "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here."
Yes that is one thing I will say you are right. I really don't think ohgr would that type of person. I have meet ohgr twice, and he was really cool. I don't think he would really do something like that. Mr. key on the other hand, who I am a huge fan of was very rude. But what can you say he is one of the best despite how he acts to a fan.
This is song is the enjoyable side of nature.
you think youre evil but youre not ...
IF, in fact, it is to Trent: I find it funny, cos back on the PHM tour, there was this one girl I know who he was really nice to---and not a nasty person at all.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think ohGr and Trent did a track together in Pigface.
Good lord 18 years ago? 😅
thats down in it.
to be fair william morrison put all the trent and eminem characters as a surprise and didnt originally tell ogre about them...
liking more than one band at once is hard
it's hard and nobody understands
i'm sad, that's the whole NIN thing, and it's still like loving something, and the most popular thing that people know is a bastardization of what you love
Yeah the songs most likely about how many mainstream acts really don't care about how shitty their music is all they want is the money. Hence the line "Still sucking life from the mainstream).
But Ohgr didn't know that Eminem or Trent where even in the video until he watched it.
They said its nothing personal for Trent,they are just "Poking fun at an old friend."
Trent was never a pop-whore. I am pretty sure he hates pop culture.
I kinda hated it when NIN turned the preppy kids. Just enough water and sugar to make industrial music palatable for the normies.
We didn't listen to Ohgr, and now trent is working for Hollywood and Di$ney.
I just love the stopmotion in this music video. Gives it a lot of charm.
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Ohgr/Dave stated in an interview that the part with Trent was not originally suppose to be offensive. Though Trent really did sell out
I think order of symbolic appearance are as follows:
I think the lightbulb is suppose to be garbage.
The fortune teller, Insane Clown Possse
Trent,NiN And his march of pigs overwhelming Ohgr
Eminem
And lastly Ohgr himself reminiscent of his SP days
Parody; Music Industry, Living up to, and binded to your past accomplishments.
Video touches my heart
tool came after sp, nin and ministry, so no, tool looks like a skinny puppy video. also the groundbreaking work with animation was done by germans first. fact. when you find something you think is cool, make sure that someone else hasn't done it first.
I doubt Ogre would be talking shit about Trent, Trent did a nice cover of Skinny Puppy during a Ministry show, I think there are videos of it. That would be a dick move on his part and since Ogre is canadian I don't think he'd do that.
yah theres a video of a interview somewhere with kevin ogilive and he says the whole eminem thing was entirely the music video directors choice which the band had nothing to do with.
Does it even matter NIN,Marylin manson,Skinny puppy,and Ministry are amazing.What if they took each others ideas.Thats like saying that all the artist no a days are ripping off the Beatles.The Beatles where the first to creat the music video if you didnt know.Now i f you choose to disagree go ahead.
ive been looking for this song for at least 7 years!!!!
I know! Pore has always been one of my favs, though the entire Welt album was pretty damn awesome.
I think it's pretty neat that bands still cover Kraftwerk, even if it is just the one song. ;)
Exactly! Trent never chose to be mainstream. his music just played on radio. When was the last time you heard Skinny Puppy or Ohgr on the radio? They're all amazing artists and if Skinny Puppy OR Ohgr got more air time radio wise they'd have a much larger following.
They've all done a LOT for industrial and they are all enjoyable.
Remember people, this video was done in jest to begin with ;-)
what? you mean suck? ohgr wrote it, trent stole it, old hat, old news, move on. we have.
He took influence from the various forms of foetus,fad gadget et al. too.. I'm still waiting for the new Chemlab to hit.
Still waiting 😔
Music´s Music´s whether you like it or not.
Sorry if that sounded harsh. There was an excellent german art piece with stop motion photography, it directly inspired this type of video ..
It was very similar to the tool video with the moving meat through the water pipes.
Jan Svankmajer maybe? Not German but Czech, has some majorly creepy (and amazingly awesome) stop motion shorts & movies, some are here on UA-cam. The Brothers Quay, who created the videos for Tool, have cited him as an influence and even named a film after him.
skinny puppy all the way :)
trent said himself that his song "down in it"
was completely inspired by skinny pup's "dig it"
Pretty Hate Machine should have been titled Pretty Blatant Skinny Puppy Rip Off.
Lasciate ogne speranza voi ch'intrate....
Abandon hope, all ye who enter here..
what an ''un''original video clip waouwww
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you do know its tongue in cheek and ohgr, trent, and jourgensen are all best friends right? No? pity.
you speak the truth!
Ummm. I belive that Teznor has mentioned SP,coil, ministry among others as influences.This is well known, Saying he ripped off music from more unknown artists is stupid and old. You could have said this more than 20 years ago when NIN's tDS came out. Reznor never pretended to b the most inovative or original artist ever. EVERY artist is influenced by others. Don't hate an artist just because one is more popular than others. If u think that Ohgr is your god...well, cool story bro. I have no gods
Exactly. And has anyone heard music now? Everyone rips off of everyone lol
manle666 "Cool story bro?" What the fuck, are you like 15 or something? Who the fuck says that?
manle666 Do you mean Icon of Coil, Laguna Coil, or what?
@@codykhaos4987 he meant just "Coil"
It's an experimental band from England
@@codykhaos4987 Coil. R.I.P.
Wait... Is this supposed to be a diss-track aimed at Eminem?
Trent Reznor too...he was riding the marching pigs.
@@blindphate Oh! Right! Of course! Snarky Downward Spiral reference...
They ARE NOT mainstream and yeah sometimes underground music gets popular but thats not the problem, the problem is the records wants to to make specific music for the majority(who may be braindead kids. or ppls in general) and the artist gets mnoey greedy too, his "free" stuff was crap(IMO ofc)(The Slip, 9000 or whatever it was called) ...
I'm commenting from the future...it's 2023 on my time-line, I know your all excited about the new century and look forward to a new progressive amerika...I'm sorry to tell you that your currently living the best life you will ever know. Slow things down and soak it all up cuz this is as good as it will NEVER be again. Oh.. also Skinny Puppy did a reunion tour that started in 2013 and ends this year now that's commitment!
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:')🤘
I'm glad this still slaps
The gritty point of no return in someones life. Track is both godly and ungodly.
kind of cute, kind of creepy, kind of relevant
did the guys from tool make this video? cuz it looks like a tool video.....
Manablue Moonpix yeah it reminds me a lot of videos like ænima and sober. I wonder if theres a Way to look it up
Manablue Moonpix yeah tool also ripped off Front 242. Tools most popular album cover is a blatant rip-off of the modern angel album of Front 242. So yes they're clearly fans of industrial. However.........the point is......... it's not original. EEE HEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
William Morrison directed the video and a few other Ohgr videos, he also directed Skinny Puppy's killing game music video. he also happens to play live with Skinny Puppy and Ohgr when they tour.
Wouldn't it be cool if Reznor stopped sucking and made an album worth listening to again?
i still disagree and have to agree that Nivek is right on the "March OF The Pigs" i jkust dontl ike pop orented music, mostly because the genre has(allso as ITS CALLED) been made to popularitys bitch...
Eminem is racist/fascist shit...
Underground FTW. DOWN WHITH THE MAINSTREAM-ERS!!! NIN is dead too... Atleast SP and OhGr dosen't do the music for money, and this is definetly Electro/Industrial!
Eminem's sux, listen to Immortal Technique (though ignore his libertarian nutcase view) and The Coupe(or Cape i forgot) im not even sure what the group was called.
But show some love and go cop that NEW ohGr album TRICKS...
www.pledgemusic.com/projects/ohGr
Hello! How are you today? The invitation to watch the latest crime documentary video is still valid. Perhaps this video will catch your interest.
The downward spiral and Pretty Hate machine are Trents most mainstream albums...hes gotten more money from those albums than ANY of his newer ones.
They put shit on Eminem which Is really funny to me. "ooOOh Im a rap God!!" nah you can sing fast but that's all you have you're just a flexer XD I'm not a fan of rap and while I have respect for that guy with his talent It's not for me. This however, this Is what I like.
Also small edit I get It's not actually about that but I'd like to imagine so
Another edit: I just realized there's the minotaur that shows up near the end losing his damn mind. And at the end there's the labyrinth. Pretty cool symbolism for what this song's about.
@plasticsmile231 No one is more entitled to their opinion than another. No matter how ignorant they are.
And everyone is also able to translate the music into whatever meaning they want. Some people cry when hearing a song, when others get riled up by it. But Shoogle is pretty much right on, regardless. :) personal vendettas against anyone... who gives a shit, just enjoy the music.
@Armagon9177 nothing wrong with his music today. he's just gettin old and wants to explore and do different things other than that hateful music all the time. not to mention, but when he stopped doing drugs, he lost a lot of animosity that he has for things...i think anything reznor touches is gold...and i actually was listening to nine inch nails when PHM came out..before they got all "trendy"...doesnt matter...if they are or not...nin still beats the shit outta most music today
@OrbitZombie The Fragile outsold PHM and it was released under his own lable. I'm pretty sure he made alot more money off it then PHM. That and PHM's ownership rights are all fucked up and currently owned by a bank, Trent essentailly makes writing/performance royalties off of it whenever it's printed. I'd assume he probably made a decent amount off of The Slip aswell, seeing as how he got to pocket everthing (minus overhead). And once you factor in the tour revenue that each album generates...
Well if you listen to interviews it doesn't seem like anyone really likes Trent all that much. I'm not trying to stand up for the guy, I think this kind of thing should be beneath Ogre though, it's more something you'd hear hip-hop guys do. I'm not a fan of NIN in the slightest,but I don't love everything Ogre's done either. Cevin Key on the other hand is the man and can do no wrong. Duane was pretty great too RIP.
Are you serious who cares if he covered a sp song during the ministry show. The only reason Trent was singed was because he ripped off a sp song. Down in it was a clear rip off of dig it. If you don't believe me look it up he openly admits it. Either way sp owns nails any day hands down. Look at Manson have you seen his live show? It looks a lot like an sp show you would see in the 80s.
The point the video is making is that Everything in the music industry is pretty much diluted, how bands are trying to be controversial and they aren't(slipknot,Korn...blahblahblah).
It also has undertones of how everyone sells out.
You don't have to dig deep too understand the concepts here.
(the NIN thing is a take on a common phrase "oh ohgr???you mean that guy that sounds linke reznor???"
Well, just because it is mainstream, doesn't mean it's good. Likewise, a lot of independent musicians are also sucky.
It's just that sadly, a lot of mainstream lately has no talent to offer. Good examples are record label creations like the Pussycat Dolls who have no talent except look hot for the camera. A lot of rap vids do the same by filling the screen with gyrating dancing girls... Everyone just seems to be after the sex appeal while music comes secondary...
There's nothing wrong with listening to underground music, either. Just because it's different doesn't mean it's bad. Infact, all of that horrible generic rock that they play on the radio isn't even half as good as the more complex things, such as those with better playing (Dream Theater) or meaningful messages (Skinny Puppy).
skinny puppy, kill thrill kult, ministry, girls under glass, all in my eyes started industrial,.. without them there would be no mainstream crap people hear of today, rammstein, das ich, psyclone nine, cruxshadows, so on. of course theres one hero who started industrial and "goth" PETER (fucking) MURPHY
the problem is not so much trent, but these kids who worship him when equally or more so talented artists do not get credit. Yes, every musician has influences, but Trent has literally stolen music, as well as Led Zeppelin and others. Than claimed originality.
Um... for everyone who doesn't know the history/who Skinny Puppy is, the reason Trent Reznor is in this, isn't because he failed musically or anything, it's because he royally ripped off one of Skinny Puppy's song (Nivek Ogre AKA ohGr)
He oftens talk about it, but check your booklets if he even mentions industrial bands, he never does it there. He says he likes twitch because someone directly asks him for his fav ministry album. In pretty hate machine he gives thanx to prince...BULLSHIT
remember folks,if it wernt for this guy there probably be no NIN.
These lyrics are a little... transparent lol What happened to the opaque abstraction of Skinny Puppy?
@napalmcoffee its morely about reznor and all the people who claim to be true to there roots and will never change but are just selling out and doing whatever makes more money instead of staying true to there art.
this looks like a Tool video
Quite frankly, Manson stole a lot of shit from artists.
I also heard a rumor that Mr. Warner may have killed the original singer of Christian Death... (If you don't know who that is... Shame on you.).
fortune teller with the cards:insane clown posse, light bulb headed character:garbage, march of the pigs:nine inch nails, rapper:emenim what is the minotaur and then the skeleton with the cigarrette?
Not better in being "massive" or anything. But really there's nothing wrong with a little balance occasionally. SP could write a halfway happy song occasionally also... At least Syd Barrett happy.
@OrbitZombie trent reznor has never been happy to be in the public eye. he was actually out raged at the success of "downward spiral". even off drugs he's a dark guy.
Technically it is. From what I read, he's overlooked each of your comments as he never really touched upon them but has just repeatedly told you to butt out. Just saying!
True Adam is Bipolar and in his new book admits everything fucked up thing he did very openly~ but he did it to himself. Trent's thing was just wrong,there is a youtube video out where Adam now on proper meds openly says "hear is a song you might know by NIN that I wrote and Trent stole with out rights,royalties or credit" ~ I know Trent's story but it's a fact he came from money.
Another sad issue is that of Rozz,was friends with him we kept in contact sadly he did kill himself
Entirely you opinion.
And I was not saying ANY of those groups you've mentioned sold out. I like Sister Machine Gun,Throbbing Gristle,Ministry,NIN,Skinny Puppy,Ohgr,FLA and Rammstein.
Trent Reznor hasn't sold out. Hes been giving away MP3s for FREE and if you want a Vinyl or CD version pay. He has not been making near as much money as he used to. He cleaned up from drug addictions,got buff and started making new music which you don't like because its not the same psycho stuff he used to make.
No need to get spikey. Personally I don't think that not seeing the point means being part of the problem. I don't read celebrity magazines, nor do I worry too much about musician's lives :) Don't assume just because I don't agree with you, that I'm what you are complaining about. Why worry about what other people say or think anyway? As long as you are happy with not caring about the irrelevant histories of artists, what do you need to holler about it? =)
the mainstream has nothing to offer anymore. Thats why I just look at internet referral sites because MTV and radio has nothing but boring, repetetive music.
i thought that REPO was awesome...but at the same time it sucked ass! Ogre and Bills parts could have and should have been way bigger. I'd like to see a movie with just the two of them! but their parts were awesome and the premise of the movie was cool...but Paris Hilton and all those other hacks...it was good. but could have been better...like everything though...
About time someone see's that Kent Reznik is a put on,you all laughed when I said it,now Ohgr Says it you might listen... how about the hidden track Physical? look that up an Adam and the Ants song and said he was never paid for or given credit. Hard to suffer when you've been handed everything
Actually the lyric goes "Still sucking life from the mainstream."
I think the message of that part is along the lines of "I wouldn't have a problem with mainstream music if greedy assholes didn't get paid millions to write shitty unoriginal unintelligent uninspired music." But thats just my guess. ^_^
Gotta love fanboys attacking NIN in payback
I love NIN, I like OhGr, not into SP, didn't tried Ministry yet. Cheers and don't be dumb, don't flame.