I Made A Rookie Mistake On The Pond
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- Опубліковано 16 гру 2023
- I am full of regret for not taking care of a preventable situation concerning the DIY pond build. In order to get it fixed I'm gonna have to suck it up and just work through it until the problem is solved..
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After 70 years I've finally learned that the best thing you can do in these situations is to stop kicking yourself and get to fixing the problem. Smart careful people like you will avoid thousands of mistakes like this in a lifetime but a few will get you despite your best efforts. Forgive yourself and move on. You'll never make that mistake again.
Everyone makes mistakes. Professionals know how to fix the mistake so no one notices.
Well said👊🏻
As a smart person I would have sold my property and moved to Miami or somewhere else and enjoyed my life, instead of dealing with all this crap. You are given to live in this world only ones. I am not a cat, I cannot have nine lives, I better retire in my 40's and enjoy my life. Hope the same to everyone! Please do not rely on your 401K or retirement, there will be not enough funds to cover your expenses when you retire. Good luck to everyone!
So very true. Well put.
@@MrBcka a lot of people enjoy life by working with their hands and creating things. Retiring in your 40s and "enjoying life" might not bring as much fulfillment and joy as you expect.
Neil, the best advice I ever received regarding failure is that "if you haven't done something dumb, you probably haven't ever done anything at all". When we feel bad about it, that just helps us remember to do our best next time. Thank you for sharing this... up until now I thought you were perfect!
Ha! Not hardly :)
@@digdrivediy Just curious if you think the tile that turns and runs along the property line the towards the ditch will also pull water from the pond? I would guess its roughly 30 - 40 feet away and the initial tile you were removing was closer to 20.
So true!
I had a former boss tell me something similar ... "If you never make a mistake, you're not doing anything worthwhile." I've made my share of mistakes, learned from them, and I think I've done worthwhile things.
I've found mistakes are part of learning.
You could have easily hidden the mistake,fixed it and never let us know. But you didn’t! That makes your video series all the more relatable. Great work again!
I don't think he would have tried to hide the mistake either way, but let's be honest with ourselves here, there's no way he's hiding that trench from his next video. Someone would have noticed.
You can't monetize a video you don't make and post.
One thing I've learned over the years with UA-cam DIY projects, many of them show the final result all polished up without ever mentioning the troubles they ran into.
To me, this is not realistic. Don't be afraid to show your mistakes as one might learn something from it.
I applaud you for telling us as no one outside your friends or family would have ever known, had you not put out this video.
Kudos. Well done.
Exactly, it actually teaches us a lot from mistakes
I just find it so intriguing that the farmers down there in flat/clay America figured out this drainage problem. I had no idea that there was such a huge infrastructure of drainage tile under the ground in all of those fields. But that 100% makes sense. Thanks for opening up and let us follow the highs and lows of the build. Great video series, great production, great story. Much appreciated.
My mistake: I'm sure there is a ton but the first one I thought of. When building my deck, I made assumptions about the height of the joists and beams with relation to the elevation of the ledger board. After I got all of the joists installed, parts of the deck were not level. Ended up having to jack up the main support beam, remove the posts to cut a small bit off the end of the posts to make them a touch shorter. All is well now, but I know I felt the same way as you.
Oh man that's a bummer but thanks so much for sharing.
Yeah, the patterned tile networks around here are the unsung heroes of our successful agriculture communities.
Most of this part of Indiana was very wet when it was first settled. Form Illinois to Ohio was a major wetland in Northern Indiana.
Don t beat yourself up! This is one of the nicest ponds I have ever seen! You did a great job!
Heck! I wouldn't even have thought that the drain tile could be the water loss problem. You noodled it out and did the right thing to fix it. So now you look at your pond and look over your shoulder and think, Good Work! And good video showing how you identified the problem and how to fix it.
Neil that’s why I keep watching your channel . Nothing is perfect in an imperfect world. I’ve messed up many projects in my life & have corrected most myself or with the help of experts. You are still young & learning. Again I watch your show because of the human aspect not because you are the expert on everything. Remember grass will grow in the summer.
Thanks as always sir!
My Grandmother had a saying - "Them that never do ought wrong never did ought at all" (Yorkshire/Lancashire UK Saying). Well done on admitting to a mistake we all make them and always will. Takes a big man to admit. Really been enjoying the channel.
I like that saying! Gonna take me a while to memorize it however!
Thanks for sharing the whole story. It takes a strong person to publish mistakes in public. It’s not if you make a mistake, it’s how you deal with it.
The only person who doesn’t make errors never learns or accomplishes anything. I learned more by making mistakes than I ever did by not making any.
Neil I am a 77 year old lady so I do not have a big failure story to tell but I am here to say I love watching your videos. Your projects are interesting, love the big family interaction and your expert explanations. Merry Christmas!
Wow, thank you! Merry Christmas!
I'm also a 77YO lady, and I think you and your family are awesome. I felt so bad when you were chastising yourself for your mistake, but I understand. I wan to remind you that one day you'll look back and have a good laugh at your own expense. But for now while the experience is fresh, you're going to be aggravated by your decision. This too shall pass, and you've got a wonderful support system for correcting the problem. Count your blessings!
Neil, the man that’s never made a mistake has not done anything, it’s about how we learn from them, bounce back and improve the situation (exactly what you have done). I am sure when we see the area in spring time with the grass grown back no one will remember the tile issue 😁. Seasons Greetings to you and the family from Bristol, England 🏴
7 trips to Home Depot is my record. I replaced a kitchen faucet as one of my 1st plumbing DYI projects 25 years ago. The combination of hose diameter, male/female fitting and length kicked my butt. Every time I was sure I had the RIGHT part NOW! I've learned to allow myself time for mistakes when doing something the 1st time. Also, you don't buy the bin, you buy the part in the bin. Don't reach in the bin and assume the part in the bin matches the bin.
One thing I have learned is “ain’t mistake if you can fix it”
Pond looks great you did a great job. Don’t beat your self up over something you can fix.
Don't beat yourself up, we often do our best learning through mistakes of some kind. Don't be embarrassed one bit. You caught it, and addressed it, so come next year when it is time to use the pond the repair will be healed over and you can enjoy yourselves!
It’s not a screw up if it can be fixed, It’s just a set back. Don’t be so hard on yourself. It’s Christmas time enjoy the holidays. Have a merry Christmas.
Two weeks after buying our house it flooded due to poor foundation drain tile and a failed septic leach field. I spent weeks in the winter (NE Ohio) digging around my house and yard, finding pipes and figuring out where they start and end. Luckily the pipes were not as deep as yours, but I did have to hand dig in heavy clay soil. I felt so stupid for purchasing the house. I quickly put that aside and carried on. Just like every problem, you push through, find a solution, and have a great story to tell when it’s all done.
Love the channel, keep up the great work.
Not that it helps you now, but I had a drainage problem that flooded my basement a couple years ago. The drainage guy came out and scoped all the lines and had a cool tool that allowed him to locate the scope from above the ground. He found all the issues without having to dig more holes than was absolutely necessary.
@@titosrevenger Appreciate the comment. We actually had a plumber come do the same. All the pipes were completely clogged because they had the gutters tied directly into the drain tile. Jetting didn’t get us anywhere either. The plumbers told us to put the house up for sale because they couldn’t figure out what was going on. Needless to say they were not much help. 3 hrs of work and bill totaling $1,200, I decided to figure it out myself.
@@jeffsmith5657 Brutal. I had the same issue with the downspouts going into clogged drain tile. We ended up running all new lines for the water coming off the roof and repaired the clogs in the clay tiles. Eventually I'll replace the perimeter drains but for now this should be sufficient. 🤞🤞🤞
Having lived construction for my entire life, I learned along the way that I didn't want people working with me that didn't make mistakes. (Because they are not doing anything.) I wanted people who knew how to fix mistakes. Everyday you go to work you are going to make a mistake (or two or three). Don't hide or bury the mistake. Just fix it and hopefully learn from it. The best workers are the workers who know how to fix mistakes!! Neil, you are damn good!
I had a very similar instance, we have the same heavy clay sub soil as you here in southern Ontario. I built my house and didn’t want to go deep with the basement because I new it would cause sump pump problems, so the basement was dug shallow enough that it went right over top of a field tile and did not know it. For the first summer the sump pump was bone dry because any water would leach and go towards the fall of the tile, but that spring when the ditch water got high it back feed the tile into my sump pump and then I realized I had a problem. My first fix was to dig out 6 feet of the tile on either side of the house thinking that would be enough to plug it, but the water still pushed through from 2000 feet of head pressure when it was draining the field and the head pressure from the high ditch would still push through. So then the next year I dug all the tile out to the ditch which was about 200 feet and then I had to reconnect the tile draining the field into a newer plastic tile. My problem tile was and old clay one and the field had since been fully retiled so I thought just my 6 foot plug would be enough because I didn’t think that old clay line was doing much but it still was. So one I redirected the water from the back and fully deleted the line to the ditch my problem was fixed. I did notice it took about 2 years for things to really settle out and shut off that hard pan where the old tile layed just like you were talking about, but I never went to the effort you did with the benzonite and plate compactor
Great tutorial on drainage both laterally and vertically! Hey, I graduated yesterday. Now all I have to is make my way north and come to work with y’all!
There is nothing wrong with making mistakes as we learn from them - just don’t make the same mistakes twice…thanks for sharing and happy holidays.
You persevered and fixed the problem, Neil! That’s a success in my books!
As a former Industrial Arts teacher I aways told my students that you have not learned anything until you have to fix someone’s mistake, especially your own. Fix it move on and try not to make a similar one. Your dedication to family, business and property are exemplary and I commend you for that. Nice video and what’s next?!;)
I do know how you feel. I made several "Rookie" mistakes building my inground pool 6 years ago. It was my first time tackling that large a project and I know I would do a lot different if I were to build another one. In the end, it turned out nice and my family truly enjoys it. And i feel a lot wiser now. I think your family will get a lot of enjoyment out of your pond.
Don't sweat the small stuff mate. Your property looks beautiful & is only going to get better. Tuff times make tuff people. Cheers Kev.
I am so grateful for you and your honesty and transparency. Your humility makes your channel worth it all!
AND your backhoe skills are great for not doing it everyday
Mistakes happen to us all. We remodeled our kitchen and replaced all the floors in our home with click together laminate. We didn’t put in the effort to confirm our floors were level prior to installing it ourselves. Over 6 months the floors started braking apart. Now all our floors are duct taped together to buy us time to replace it (again). We then also learned our foundation is sinking in the south west corner. We paid $36k to lift that corner and sure it up. And they discovered we don’t have enough supports under our home. So we installed those too. And it’s possible that didn’t fix the problem. Feeling pretty defeated with our first house fixer upper. Feeling pretty stupid for investing time, sweat equity and over $50k on a home that is possibly still sinking and not worth the investment. Pretty tired over the last couple years of this that we are praying about it, thinking and waiting before spending anymore time and money on the possibility of no remedy.
We feel your pain. Thank you for being such a great creator and role model.
Neil, any of us that worked on projects ourselves as a DIY share your pain, we learn from our missteps, thanks for sharing and you have a great show and great family!!! Merry Christmas 🎄
Very true. Same to you!
Pro tip: They make a netless seed blanket /straw mat called Futerra F4. It works great and doesn't have the nasty netting. I think it works better than the normal straw mat.
Neil: giving detailed explanation
Cat: I concur with your plan hooman
I hear my grandfather reminding me: measure twice, cut once. There’s no shame asking for directions, etc, etc. I hope your efforts will pay off. I love the pond and your persistence in resolving your issues. Nice work.
I think you will see how many of us have been there before Neil, we are always learning and what you provide to us in the documentation of your various projects is another way to learn. Thank you and now stop kicking yourself.
I'm 67 and I have learned far more from my many mistakes than my successes! You fixed it so there is nothing more to do but move on. I enjoy your videos!
Hey Neil, we have all made those mistakes. Don’t beat yourself up over it. That’s how we learn, as I’m sure you tell your kids every day. 😊 The important thing for them to see is you worked through the problem to success. A much more valuable lesson in the long run.
I dug a dry well for my rain water. I used an old 55 gal. plastic drum thinking I'd save money instead of buying a dry well designed to be buried. Because the 55 gal drum was not designed to be buried I filled it with rocks. We'll one year later we had the atmospheric rivers come through and water was standing in my backyard. So the following summer, dug the dry well up, vacuumed out the rocks, bought a designed dry wall and read the instructions. Turned out I needed to move the dry well away from my foundation. So the family and I dug a new hole, filled it in and now waiting to see if this year everything works according to play. I find it takes at least one mistake for me to do get it right. Thanks for always sharing!
I'll say you are a very very good backhoe operator. Pretty impressive
Amazing fix! Neal. You just made a great video with real content that can help thousands of people. The only mistake you made was haste and oversight. Happens to the best of us. Remember mistakes are never made if you never venture out to achieve, and now you have future content for amazing videos. See you on the next one Neighbor!
Neil, I have some of that straw matting I pulled up almost 10 years ago, set it in the woods and it still has not decomposed. That is why I pull it up after the grass has germinated to either reuse or dispose of it. As you found out, it is terrible to dig through. Great fix on the drainage and great video!
If you check with a landscape supply company, they do make certain types of straw mat that do decompose. It is spec'd for highway projects. In real experience, does it actually? I'm not sure. Ha.
That's good advice Doug. Some of it seemed brittle already but other places did not. I'm still on the fence about it all...
Hopefully I'm done digging in it though.
I call it living life. A failure is and always has been an opportunity to learn and gain wisdom we didn't have before. Keep smiling and enjoy the ride we call life. Love the channel brotha!!!!!!!!!
After we have all been through building this , I am so sorry. I know you got right on it, am error you will never make again. Don’t feel bad , we’re all on your side, great work.
Keep your head up, stuff like this happens to the best of us.
I feel this pain bud. I made board games for ten years and when my manufacturer made them I was always printing 5K-10L copies. So much anxiety to make sure hundreds of details were correct. You can’t catch them all even with half a dozen layers of systems designed to catch the errors.
I published 18 board and card games over that ten year span and I quickly learned to accept that mistakes were inevitable and I could learn from each one and hopefully avoid making the same mistake. Mistakes are fantastic learning opportunities. Fail fast is what I say.
Don't be too hard on yourself. Hindsight is always 20/20. Clearly you have the knowledge, skill set and ability to tackle these problems and projects. I think its all very well done, including the fix and in all honesty I am rather envious.
Great job! From researching photos and figuring it all out, to getting it done and cleaning it all up.
Hi Neil. I have zero experience digging like that for drainage or anything else, but I've made plenty of stupid mistakes in other areas. Sometimes, that is how we learn. On the bright side, you have the knowledge and equipment to correct the problem. It would be worse if you had to call in some outside help and pay them to fix the mistake. I think, if it were me, coming clean, admitting the mistake and moving on would make me feel better. I hope making the video helped with that from your side. Thanks.
-mike
Neil, making mistakes keeps us humble, and being humble goes a long way towards making you great! You have made it right, and earned our respect. Keep doing what you are doing, we thoroughly enjoy your work. Keep these videos coming,
Perfect timing on this video. Ran into a big problem on a project yesterday and spent most of last night bumming about it and trying to figure out what to do about it and feeling pretty dumb. Once this video is over I'm gonna get outside and try to do something about it.
Many years ago, my father had a pond dug at our house. He was very proud of this Pond and it actually held water for the first couple of years. Then the farmer added field tile, and eventually, dad's Pond never held water again. I should say it never held over 3 ft of water again
Yikes!
I like your honesty it takes character to admit your mistakes. This transparency is what makes me want to click on your videos well done keep that up and I will keep watching!
Wish u much success in stopping the issue. Awesome pond.
Back when you were planning the pond build you had lots of decisions to make. This was one that was miscalculated at the time but you had limited knowledge. Currently Another decision was made before it became a giant problem. You have skills to know this and skills to correct it. That’s something to be grateful for.
this makes me like this channel even more. For a couple reasons. We have all done things like this in the diy arena. You own it, learn from it and move on. But more importantly, you didnt have to show us this. No one would be the wiser. The value of your videos are that we see it as common. As all being humans. So much fakeness in social media today its nice to see someone post "mistakes" as well. Thank you!
Your pain is our pain. You're doing an amazing job explaining everything.
Highlighting all the facepalm-worthy mistakes and mishaps is what makes these videos so relatable-they capture everyday experiences we all encounter. It's not just about showcasing a frustrating pond build screw-up, but also things like dealing with busted bolts requiring an easy-out, flat tires, a less-than-perfect paint job with an orange peel texture, or even the frustration of discovering a dried-up can of PVC cement. Unlike Bob Villa or mainstream TV programs that might gloss over these realities, I prefer genuine UA-cam content creators who aren't afraid to show the less glamorous side of things. That's why I've ditched cable or network shows and stick to these true-to-life UA-camrs.
Thanks for this video. You are a great mentor to us all. We all make mistakes. It’s how we address them. Being realistic, staying positive, fixing the problem and moving on shows wisdom and maturity.
The good thing about mistakes is that you learn from them. I wish you and your family a great Christmas time
Same to you!
Hey, Cheer up! You've never been anywhere or done anything if you've never made a misteak, ya know. You're fixin it, that's the important thing!
Besides, now you'll have all those areas to rake out come springtime.
Thanks for sharing.
Blessings 👍🏁🇺🇸
You're very talented and making such a mistake is something people who actually do things, do. Be proud. You built a beautiful pond.
All good man! I’m amazed with your abilities to do the upgrades you have! Lesson learned
I started tiling a few years ago on the side. Locating old tile is the most aggravating and time consuming thing there is. You did it the easiest way in my opinion by just following it. Had a job go sideways this fall pretty bad and lost on it pretty good. It’ll definitely make you rethink all your life choices lol
Thanks for sharing this update! This was the best one so far in the series!
I always say “patience and persistence” are the keys to problem solving and you showed plenty of that. I also realized why I’ve enjoyed this series so much.. the relentless positivity you show as you work through challenges 👏
Congratulations on completing another mission! 🙂
Great video! Thanks for showing real situations and dealing with issues
Man. Looking at that old Terra cotta tile blows my mind. Thst had to have been laid by hand! Can you even imagine the effort needed to lay an ENTIRE FARM FIELD with that!? It’s mind blowing.
Not a screw up at all. A true teaching moment. I found it fascinating that you could go back on historical satellite imagery and actually see the locations of the tiles. My initial solution was to 45 the lateral back into the field and avoid the grass but the turn in the pipe and the dead end section would have made that plan not work.
I love this channel because you and your family reminds me of my father and grandfather who grew up on Farms in North Dakota and West Central Ohio. There is a willingness to always do the work yourself and there are always plenty of friends and family members willing to help. The best lessons come from trying something and failing, because you didn't actually fail you learned how not to do it!
There isn’t enough room to list my dumb mistakes. Love the channel !! I look forward to watching each Sunday. Regardless of mistakes you still have a kick ass pond that will create an abundant supply of memories. If you ever want to dig another one in Seymour Indiana we’re ready.
Mistakes happen, but you learn a lesson each time!
Always an education when watching your channel! Thx for sharing
I helped my brother build his pond. When we put the overflow in which was a 2'x2' concrete box. When we were back filling it , the concrete truck was there also ready to pour, the excavator operator tossed a scoop of gravely soil in 😮. Long story short this past summer we dug it back out to put clay in that area because it was leaking, so don't feel bad lol.
Thanks for taking us along on your journey of exploring the history of the tile on your property. Those historic land views were awesome to see where the tiles are throughout the fields and across your land. We have a lot of that in our front field - we’ve always called it tile and I believe it is the real clay tile.
It’s awesome that you have not only the equipment, but also the knowledge and history of the land, along with your personal skill set to be able to do this work yourself. Can you imagine paying someone else to have to locate that drainage and do that work that you completed just in this video? It would have been a pretty penny for sure. Great work!
Live and learn! Pond still looks great
Great video Neil. You sussed out the problem and solved it. What I also like is your knowledge of soils. Clearly you’ve taken a soil science class or three somewhere along your way. Cheers mate.
I understand feeling stupid, but I always remind myself that feeling means you're learning and improving. You came out of this smarter, better equipped for the future, and you're teaching a lot of people. I guess that's easier to say sitting at a computer than it is when you're spending days of hard work actually doing it.
As a side note, make sure to not abuse your joints. My parent's generation are starting to get titanium knees and foot problems, and it really limits their range of motion. They are still hard workers, and it's difficult hearing them explain how they feel less adequate because they can't do things they used to.
Great content as usual. Love listening to you tell the story.... your attention to detail is awesome and you still have the best property in the USA. The McGyver of UA-cam you are the best! Thanks for sharing sir.
Thanks Aaron!
@@digdrivediy yes sir... have a wonderful and restful Christmas holiday... based off of all of the videos I continue to watch you have MORqe than earned it!
Hey Neil, I really appreciate this video. This type of video is what makes channels like yours and others like watch Wes work relatable to me. I know what I know, from the mistakes I have made. Some major, some minor. When your trying to get work done on big jobs, often your flirting with analysis paralysis. Right or wrong, sometimes you just need to make a decision and get to work. And even if you know better, sometimes things like this will happen to remind you of what you had already probably known all along. We learn from mistakes even if we repeat them in the future. By making mistakes today, we are better for it tomorrow.
Really enjoyed watching your video😊 I loved how you incorporated the aerial images so the viewers can really visualise and understand what you were talking about. Awesome.
Don't be too hard on yourself, Neil! Out of about 100,000 decisions you made on the full pond build, you got about 98% right! Overall it's an amazing success!
Dang, 2,000 wrong decisions?
Not downplaying the screw up because i know that costs time AND money, but man.. look at what you've built! It's truly so impressive and
super inspiring. I feel like i've learned a lot just by watching your videos.
Thank you for sharing!
All good. I usually do things backwards. I appreciate your humility. Thanks for sharing.
You made a mistake and then you fixed it. Sounds like life. Thanks for sharing.
Merry Christmas Koch family 🤶 the important thing is you caught this now and not in the warm months when enjoying your Beautiful pond. Good job as always on finding a solution and acting to resolve the problem. Hello from Iowa 👋🇱🇷
Neil you saved someone in the future a mishap from your pond build . But more importantly that you are human just like everyone else. I really enjoy watching your videos and from my family to yours Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year .
Thanks and same to you!
I feel for you and your grass.we all have things we wish we had done different the first time.
A single conversation across the table with a wise person is worth a months study of books.
Great job. Great video. Made me smile every time you said running out of daylight. Something I'm always thinking about on a job site. Hope it all works out. Once you have a season or two of a full pond, you will see how much water loss you have from water migration through the soil and evaporation. If the preferred pond water elevation is higher than when it settles out at, you could add a pond liner or an additional layer of bentonite clay.
That’s one thing I think we all need to realize, we’re going to screw up. Honorable that you brought us along to learn with you. I know how much it must have hurt to cut into your perfect new lawn. No idea there are fields with a web of drain tile like that. Take care.
A big hand from Finland, keep up the good work! Your videos are an absolute delight.
Another great video....my brother and i say, we alwYs do lots of things twice, but we always try and do them right. AlwUs learn a lot from you...inspired!
These things happen, don’t stress…
It’s not the mistakes we make, it’s what we do to correct them that matter, 👊
i had no idea that farm fields had these drains. This video has so much information in it. All to benefit of the future diggin drivin DIYers. Kind of makes me want to put more French Drains in my backyard.
I think you've done a fantastic job with your pond, Neil. You made me laugh when you said, "It's a bugger, isn't it?" We say that all the time in England 😆. Best wishes from the other side of the 'pond' 😊 🇬🇧.
Screw ups happen to us all! At least you followed through and fixed it. Great job and a good example to motivate those of us that have not yet fixed our own issue!
I wish I knew as much as you, don’t beat yourself up. You gave me an education. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing, I learn a lot, always a pleasure watch your project 👍👍👍👍
Just thinking about this lovely spring and the amount of pesticides, and herbicides that will be put on that field and then just blow into your awesome pond, good luck! love the videos
Every single day of my life everything I try to accomplish I screw up so be thankful that you have accomplished things because every time I try to accomplish it it blows up in
Niel, don`t beat yourself up too bad, we have all been there, I thought you were gonna have to break up some of the side walk, it could have been worse. It was the perfect time of year to do it, hopefully it settles nice over winter and your troubles are over, live and learn right. You and your family have a wonderful Holiday.
Neil, thank you for the video. I had a bathroom remodeled. It was almost totally gutted. I live in a 75 year old house with no insulation in walls. While the bathroom was gutted, I didn't even think think about insulation because that sheetrock wall was still good. Realized it a year later.
Much Thanks Neil.
Quite the undertaking to fix the Problem.
Mike M.
This is how we usually learn what not to do or conversly what to do. It's almost always a shortcut to let MURPHY onto the job if one puts off something or does not verify our assumptions first. Bottom line feel satisfied you have paid in full so this misstep will never be repeated and it was not worse. Wishing you and your family a very merry christmas and a happy new year. Ray Stormont