Fingers crossed that VRChat is able to make the right changes to swing back from this much stronger. I hope people understand that the reason I made this video was not to say "VRChat sucks, go to other games" but to highlight for the average player the bad decisions that led them to a point of massive backlash. VRChat's team seems to have finally heard a lot of the feedback and we'll see how this comes to fruition in due time. Join my Discord: discord.gg/ivy
I am back from my break by the way! Expect 1 - 3 high quality videos like this per week. I took a lot of time to re-assess my strategy and take time away from "just uploading" to focus on making content I want to, and improving my thumbnails. This marks the start of a new era. 1M by 2024
I'm just mostly mad that I recently brought an avitar I had done and because they did this I don't Wana risk it get ripped and used for the wrong reasons aswell as don't Wana get hacked
@@digit5465 basically people who want to hack to mess around can easily bypass it because they aren't big enough (just tweak the features till it doesn't go off). It's also running at kernel level so some people are iffy with that (because that means it could alter anything on your pc freely at the same level as windows.)
@@digit5465 basically it works to prevent any popular hack from becoming a problem, but it doesn't work against a lot of custom stuff, much like antivirus software. There's probably few traps like checksums of the program, but if you can edit memory, you can also edit those. Also using a modified older client and bypassing eac might be doable. And it doesn't prevent people who want to steal account to just make "totally legit eac bypass.exe" and steal accounts that way.
@@digit5465 has full level admin to your system and reports information to Epic (meaning information can be directed anywhere). That's all that's needed for a backdoor attack if EAC ever has a security exploit.
My first experience with this new update was the anti-cheat saying that I had a modified client even though I never installed any mod at all, and also fonts getting all messed up after some hours playing (like enchantment table language)
AMD components can trigger EAC from what I remember, cause AMD hardware built-in optimalization is considered a "modification" as well, or that's what I've found
@@PanRokador Well I don't have any AMD hardware, I don't even have a GPU btw I play with the integrated graphics from Intel (my cpu is a Intel Core i5 2400)
Exactly I felt betrayed and angry for what they did to the community because mods were for the disabled, the ones who had bad performance and needed fixes by using mods, etc which destroyed so much
There seems to be a frankly disturbing trend among game devs where they just don't give a shit about their communities. I have watched several developers self-destruct doing exactly this kind of shit over the last few years, and yet they never seem to learn. You'd think listening to your main player base would be a priority, but I guess some game devs just don't see it that way. Shame, really.
@@Boomrainbownuke9608 In this case it definitely smells of ego. The discord bans, the pushing this update out in less than 24 hours (with no time to test for unintended crashing like has been rampantly seen), and generally being ungodly snarky about it. Seems the devs are pissed off that modders did their job better and couldn't profit off of it.
I never really played vrc unless it was with other people and what kinda upsets me personally about all this is that I had just gotten vrc+ before I learned about all this. While not having mods doesn't affect me I don't want to give money to people that affectively stabbed so many people in the back. Hopefully vrc can fix their mistakes but knowing how some of these people work, I admittedly don't have high hopes
@@gojizard704 Not even. EA can come back from burning their users, people will still buy the next yearly FIFA game. VRchat was kept alive by mods. Many of which were created by competent programmers. I see a lucrative business opportunity for anybody in the field who wants to make a VR-chat competitor that has the mod support built in and many of the QoL features already present at launch.
@@someguywithamustache7235 it's not backlash if vrchat just bans everyone who shows mild dissatisfaction. Like the one post that says they are a mute who can no longer communicate with their VR chat friends because their speach mod was removed. You know how VR chat responded to this reasonable concern? They banned this person for spam. Someone who hadn't posted in the server for months, made only one comment. And got banned. Freaking despicable...
It is sad to see vrchat in this state. Although it is hard to, Im doing my best to try and keep my hopes up and praying things might get better. Im slowly losing my trust in the development team and all Im hoping now is that they can somehow turn around, as it would be sad to leave behind the time and memories that I put into this game.
You didn't put time and memories into VRChat, you put time and memories into content the community created. VRChat didn't create black cat or the avatar you're wearing or the games you play with your friends; the COMMUNITY did. That community will always be there as long as a platform for user generated VR content exists. Other platforms like Chillout are already getting the same worlds and avatars that exist in VRChat because creators are flocking away from VRChat.
So instead of saying “we will try to fix the issues of bad modifications.” They said “fuck mods in general.” It’s just sad to see these big companies make decisions that hurt the fanbase that they’ve gathered, but instead they focus on the bad parts of the community. It really shows that they are disconnected from the community that they built up.
are they actually a big company? i thought it was just some ppl working on the game, considering how long it takes for them to add the most basic features in the game
This is going to leave a mark upon the history of VR gaming and VR social games all around. It's going to be talked a lot. VRChat dug their own grave here.
You know you've screwed up when you've somehow managed to gain over 8 thousand negative reviews in a single day that alone is a bigger number than the highest ever peak of positive reviews VRChat had for an entire month's worth
This video was not long, informative and entertaining. I never really checked why everyone was hating VRC but when I saw that a bunch of big content creators were all "Screw VRC" or "I know VRC may be bad/shit, but I'll still stream in it" then I knew that they had done something terribly wrong. Now, with less than 10 mins of my day taken I understand this much more and much better. Awesome vid
I feel so bad for the mute person who got banned for saying they are mute and asking how they are gonna speak now, they didn't even really complain they just asked how they are gonna speak
might be a bad take but: -They have proven time and time again that they are disconnected from the community -Them playing the card of "listening to feedback" and promising QoL updates within the next week (which to be screams that they had them planned either way but refornulated to appease people) -Showing no intentions of rolling back an update which has been proven to do absolutely nothing to combat the issues which they rolled said update out for To me the devs and primarily the company VRChat does NOT deserve another chance.
Unfortunately I don't think too much action is going to be taken on this topic. I've played VRChat ever since the week it's come out, and I've seen my fair share of shit that the devs shove in our faces. They don't take into account that people are getting harrassed and abused on the platform, they don't care about security or privacy and better yet they don't consider the fact that *we* want comfort. This completely takes away the joy in the modding community and rids of accessibility and fun that we had. Half of us don't even use mods maliciously, we just want to be able to have a better experience. This is all really not thought out enough and this has been happening for years. They never think about what we want, they only do it for *their* platform.
Screw the 25 killstreak they nuked themselves by making 1 Huge Wrong step. Over here on this side of the continent (Mexico) we have a saiying: "Crea Fama y échate a dormir" "Create fame then rest" - Rough Translation Essentially meaning Make your salf renound for something then go to sleep (échate a dormir) cuz now no one wants to listen now. Since they made themselves famous for something it hard to take that image or title they have on now. Hey ya never know they might bounce back, as a wise Card playing Pharaoh once said "it all depends on their next move". Also Really nice analysis IV good shit manman i love the neutrality and the nonbiased review keep it up ☕
Overwhelmingly negative reviews on steam. I genuinely want VRChat to learn from this, but honestly the way they're treating the community right now is my biggest concern. They'll either double down even harder and die for it, and another platform will use them as an example of what not to be, or they can learn, and maybe make some kind of comeback. Maybe actually do some moderation and improve things for the users, rather than double down on terrible decisions and seemingly going fully hostile towards the people that built the platform in the first place.
They won't learn shit, they haven't learn anything for years now. They wanted to shill for Epic money, wanted to please investors and they don't give a fuck about community and its wishes at all. And they fucked up big time. Only after fucking up they realized their mistake and try to get back but they are way too incompetent and dumbfuck to realize that BEFORE IMPLEMENTING EAC THE RAM HOGGING ROOTKIT, THEY COULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED LONG ASKED QUALITY OF LIFE FEATURES... they are the indie equivalent of EA Games.
With everything said and done in the last days I have somewhat of a theory about the reasons behind things. considering how wrong or at least heavily exaggerated their announcement was I have a hard time believing the update was ever about your security. it has been said and proven before that crashers are very often not mod based and will continue to work. harassment and such... idk. have not seen an outcry about it nor have I experienced that. just blocking someone if they are annoying me seems to have been enough. accounts getting stolen through mods? I guess possible but I have not seen any outcry about that either. but that it's a keylogger? I don't really buy it. you already have 2FA which should negate that. and wouldn't it be easier to just get the auth token via the website? e.g. like Discord accounts get stolen. it's unlikely those issues are addressed. well I suppose with less users come less reports like that. so what security was the update about? for a lack of a better term it secures their "feature monopoly", which I suppose is their right to do. what do I mean? well the one meaningful feature that vrc+ had was more favorite avatars, and that was easily done via mod, even better just search up the public avatar you wanted to use via another mod. which brings us to their announcement about the features that they are now rolling out. I don't think these updates were made suddenly. implementing that much in
i found this video to be professionally scripted and i got to find out a few things about vrchat and it's modding scene. and you're absolutely right. some of these mods appear to be crucial to the QoL features that could be added to the game. the text mod for hearing impairment would absolutely be super important, yet i don't see it being something the developers would add anytime soon, accessibility is one of the most important things for a game to have, especially a social game like VRchat, and it ends up being cut with this downgrade of an update. the devs are either uninformed or ignorant and i hate to say it but it's probably ignorance :(
My heart slipped a beat when I saw this :( just got enough money for a vr headset, as well as a customized avatar. I hope they turn this around so the hard of hearing can hear. As well as pizza partys.
ChilloutVR will be relaunching in a few days, and fully endorses modding. Accessibility will be either natively supported or will be modded in before long, so I recommend you check that out instead!
I'm serious, go and play ChillOutVR don't waste your time into this abomination of VRChat. The dews do not care about anyone, why sould you if they don't in the first place? Fuck all these rusty cum bucket of developers.
@Black Sun Gamer @SRG4 I spent 4 days trying to learn rigging, texturing and setting up the VRChat SDK ( spoilers it sucks for beginners ) let alone the amount of verification you have to do in order to upload avatars or use them on yourself is such an incredible hassle without mods that you'd rather want someone else to make it for you because the time wasted doing it yourself is incredible, the amount of PINK error textures I've seen are nothing short of painful
I've seen some of the controversy, but nothing even close to this detailed and informative. Thank you for clarifying every single question I was kinda too afraid to ask, especially because I haven't really played VRC yet (well, once or twice, but with long breaks in between and I didn't even know that there were mods for the game in the first place for example).
there's no actual proof that he was muted on the discord for that reason. he says he was yet didn't provide any screenshots of there original message and no proof he didn't spam that same message
I was kinda confused about the vrchat situation, this cleared it up for me, thank you. Wow theyve really screwed themselves over, haven't they. this was a great and very informative video, good job!
Ima quest user, so the update didn’t really effect me, but like my friend is forced on desktop for now. I feel bad for him because he can’t do anything but stand there and be stiff. Also all my pc vr friends moved to other games like neo and chill out and I miss them already. I hope they do something other than just adding the personal mirror and moving menu. They took so much away from 85% of their player base purely because they don’t understand how crashers and ripping avatars fully worked. And one last comment. Dead game lol
Imo even if they fix everything, it's too late. They've had years to implement basic QoL and accessibility features and didn't; then they shafted everyone and killed their own platform and *now* after all the backlash they decide they're *going to start working on it.* It's blatantly clear they don't care about their community. Keep in mind that these features are on other platforms like ChilloutVR from day one as well as multi-threading support, which is why VRC runs so poorly, because VRChat only runs on one CPU core (which mods WERE able to fix; but now you get banned if you try to make the game playable). I have a hunch this was decided by investors because EAC is the stock standard (and garbage) anti-cheat that every game has, modded clients allow you to have features gained by paying for VRC+ subscription such as more favorited avatars and worlds, and they may be investigating integrating NFTs into VRChat and they want to prevent people from ripping avatars aka "don't screenshot my nft, bro" (which EAC doesn't help because you don't need mods to rip avatars, in fact you can do it from a website so you don't even need the game installed). Considering how pathetically tone-deaf implementing EAC was, I have to assume this is purely a business move and these are the only reasons I can consider. If it's not that, then it's complete and utter incompetence and lack of care for their community which is also damning.
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Player numbers are still normal and content will be made. The damage here was in the reputation of the developers and attitude players had towards the game.
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Yeah I‘m really disappointed in the devs. That update has barely something positive about it or actually nothing cause I can‘t find one. But the most recent one is definitely a step in the right direction but eh. There‘s a lot that they have to do to make VRChat better again. Removing Easy Anti-Cheat would be the best thing they can do but that seems VERY unlikely now. Honestly tho, I‘m happy for the devs of ChilloutVR and Neos VR. They‘re getting a lot more players now and they‘re definitely more motivated to make their social VR platform better than ever. I‘m very happy about that and I‘m excited for the future of those games! Anyways, great video ofc, Ivy! You covered pretty much everything important about that one bad update VRChat has made c:
While i understand that the devs want to provide a safer place to hang out, completely removing the modding community and using what is basically one of the most flawed anti-cheat (if you can call it that, it might as well just be bloatware) softwares out there isn't the way to go. Instead of working against the community, they should be working with them. Kinda like how the company Giants Software actively works with their playerbase to improve their Farm Simulator series
And this is why I think the vrchat dev team should be replaced with people who know what they are doing and the play vrchat so that they can tell that whatever they put in is working
Something no-one is talking about, is how EAC will literally send everything it can access on your computer (RAM, storage, processes, etc) to Epic Games. Epic Games is 40% owned by Tencent. Tencent is Chinese. VR Chat is sending your PC's data to China.
If they knew backlash would happen, and went ahead with it anyway, then they knew it'd be an unpopular decision. So, why make the decision anyway, like they did? The only thing I can think of is that they wished for the game to be easier to market, somehow. Money seems like the only reason a dev would do something knowing the majority of reviews would cast their game in a negative light. And what do you know, this comes suspiciously soon after the Quest 2 raises in price. Definitely not connected at all.
We need an open source P2P vrchat alternative. Something that can be formed in the event the devs do stupidness or go under, while allowing the community to work together to make a truly good platform. We'll never get there on closed source single-company-controlled things like vrchat :(
I'm stuck as a desktop user. I loved having stuff like quick access to a servers player list, going third person, being able to use the camera in desktop, using join notifier to see if someone's joined or left, etc...
Thank you for actually explaining it, Ivy. I have heard something was happening, but nobody had clear terms for what was the cause. A cyborg bee is a better news source than all of cable TV, huh.
In my opinion the game itself isn't bad, it's a game that's completely free to use to talk to friends and other people using an avatar that either you provide or they provide within VRchat. The update may have been a bad move but the backlash is so harsh which in my opinion isn't helping the problem. I'm staying on VRchat only for the fact that people like you and I make worlds/games within VRchat that's fun /passes the time/ allows me to meet more people. Why the heck would I leave those people for the sake of an update. Then again I do not use mods so take this how you will (What's the point I don't need mods to talk to people).
I’ve also looked into Helios VR as opposed to VR chat, it’s on sale for a dollar currently It looks quite promising The only downside‘s to is being it’s very small community and the fact it runs on a different engine (Unreal Engine)
I used to play this with my two best friends months ago before this happened, pretty sure they used mods that helps them search up custom avatars they wanted to use (Like Newgrounds characters or meme characters). What a shame I’ll never be able to re-experience sweet memories anytime soon.
Until their implementation of EAC is either modified to be less intrusive and hogging system resources or is removed entirely, I don't care what 'quality of life' changes are made at all (if any). My PC already has a hard time running VRC as is, with that bloated crap on my system I'd be looking at even more issues. No, I'm hanging back and watching this fustercluck burn for a good while.
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Ha, yeah. I know a number of people who are like "I can live without mods" or "i never used mods in the first place", meanwhile half their friends are leaving vrchat and they're getting crashed frequently. Yeah, have fun with that.
i actually like the update its stopping ten year olds who just crash and hack people and tbh with alot of good things other stuff has to be taken away so uh stop whining yall (my opinion)
Yikes, vrchat really messed up here. I haven't been able to play the game (thanks to the frikin update in may), but it's still sad to see that all modded clients aren't allowed anymore. they pretty much punished everyone using mods just because a few people were using it in a bad way.
I wish there was a way where vrchat could actually ‘verify’ specific mods which help with people with disabilities and other small harmless things, while still keeping away the bad mods which people use to steal avatars and such.
Personally I see this whole situation as a good thing. Now the devs have an actual reason to improve the game since there’s a chance it’ll have competition in the future
In the future? Half a year ago people had already been saying that NeosVR and Chillout had more features than VR Chat especially the avatar interaction and VRChat finally added avatar interaction, which was a couple steps in the right direction. Then they got turned around 90 degrees and took a step off a cliff.
@@mikadosannoji553 sorry but the fact that there has been feature after feature added constantly ever since eac was first added tells me that they already have learned and just aren’t willing to give in to modders
@@mikadosannoji553 "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got 'till it's gone? (something about a parking lot)" Just remembered part of a song from the early to mid 2000's
"Addressing your feedback" I don't think you can address people that have switched games entirely. Good job guys! Let's alienate the entire community with no explanation or preparation.
I feel they are going to implement some QOL changed into a 'premium' subscription down the line that you would previously been able to use mods to acquire in game because none of the issues they addressed seem to be something that Easy Cheat can resolve. Either that or they have been Audited over their lack of security for how open of a platform VR Chat is, basically allowing a back door into anyone's PC as it's unencrypted
I moved to chillout, it lacks a few minor features but the modding scene and comunity are getting bigger everyday since the eac update came out, the sdk is easier to use aswell
honestly putting in lil features that people have been asking to have for years aint gonna be enough to save their game they single handedly destroyed their own reputation and instead of ACTUALLY using common sense they just say nah fuck it i don't care what my community wants i care what i want then the community thought aight man have fun watching it burn to ashes
EAC is the last straw for me. I don't accept having that rancid piece of software running on my system in the name of removing the mods I needed to play VRC in the first place. The way this entire situation was handled from VRChat's developers' side was like watching a toddler have a temper tantrum, and everything that has come through on their official channels sounded like nothing but hollow PR talk. Don't get me wrong though, I'm glad we're getting some natively implemented disability accommodations now. I won't believe them until we see results though, and the way they're suddenly able to develop these features at a rapid pace, despite having ignored the need for them for ages, leaves major doubts in their good intentions.
The longest I have ever played VRC consecutively, was probably about a weeks time. I had only ever crashed like 5 or 6 times through out the 50+ hours I have played the game. It wasn't very often I would get crashed either and I was on Quest 2. I would hate to see how bad it would be if I were to try the same thing now. I do like VRC though, it helped me socialize more because I am homeschooled
Thanks for pointing this out. As a VRChat player myself, I play on oculus. After the update came out, I didn’t know what to do. I knew I would see most of my friends that play on pc will be gone. Since I had no choice (rec room sucks btw), I stayed on VRChat, just hoping for the best. But VRCHAT did announce a few days after the anti-cheat update, that they’ll be more open to the community and make some changes. Thanks for listening to my Ted talk.
This seems to be the era of "How can we destroy our company!" in the first place, we have Roblox!, Second place Minecraft! and third VRChat! give a round of applause for the winners of how can we ruin a game!
When the update came out, it said my account didn't exist. I sighed out and logged back in again, and it worked. but just a few days ago, it said my account was unauthorized. (Correct me if i spelt that wrong) By account is still up an running, but I literally don't know why that's happening. It scared the crap out of me though
The steamcharts peaks are definitely lower but far from dead. At the end of the day it was a business deciison. Make a chunk of players mad, majority wont care, the rest will have to buy VRC+ if they want the extra features.
Honestly ive seen one dude I follow not be against this update and the only thing people focus on when supporting this update is malicious mods, which make up a extemely low amount of mods and a fair bit of them are acessability mods aswell and honestly from my friends experience atleast this has done nothing but allow bad actors to do things way easier
To me VR chat wasn’t just a game or a social app it was somewhere where you can meet friends socialize and have a fun experience it has been a great over the last three years of me playing up until this update… this update ruined everything and the Devs just don’t care about the community I haven’t played since the update got released but I’ve been told that most of the lobbies are just filled with quest users because everybody’s quitting the game and moving to chill out VR
It only got worse. It's basically unplayable now. If only someone could record what happened to VRChat, go back in time and show the VRChat company itself the MAJOR problems this decision caused (or will cause). I really want it back to as it was before all this. I miss meeting friends and interacting on it.
The shade this dude threw at mixed reality headsets! The Samsung Odyssey and HP Reverb both blow the Quest out of the water though. Must be thinking about the old Dell, Lenovo, and Acer ones
This is what happens when a company goes full corporate if vrc were to remove the EAC anti-cheat kernel they're investors would sue the shit out of them. Facebook aka the metaverse had bought half of VR chat back in 2021 and is getting ready to buy the rest of it so best way to get rid of these client people is to use a very easy anti-cheat but I won't be surprised in the next few weeks to coming months that somebody will find a way to get around the anti-cheat but by that time the game's going to be a cesspool of Booth models Quest users Crashers and possibly client users again. ChilloutVR is the future.
I mean the mods where a good thing to have, certainly for those who have disabilities. But calling the game dead is an overstatement. As of after the EAC update the dev team has made some improvements in the beta branch. Which yes they should have added those before the EAC update. I have noticed that there is way fewer crashers. I have not seen any myself but raiding parties on furry worlds has become more frequent (in my experience). I don't think EAC was a bad thing but it's also not the best out there. I'm sticking to vrchat as my friend are still here i made friends on VRChat which i really don't want to lose.
Unfortunately, EAC won't be going away any time soon. Its purpose has absolutely nothing to do with protecting its players, given how malicious actors will get their way regardless. Between the avatar theft and the IP scraping, there is some veil of good intention behind it. The true reason is profit driven, no other way to see it. Modded clients allow people to circumvent further paid features and to disable any advertisements introduced in the game. Though, it was generally agreed upon that the biggest names wouldn't intrude on current VRC+ features out of respect for the game and the development team. I've been saying it ever since this update dropped: introduce a purchase model, heavily restrict the free to play experience, and retain VRC+. If free players can only use a small selection of avatars and access a curated selection of more regulated world instances, then fewer people will be exposed to malicious persons, and people interested can have a small taste of the experience and still hang out with people more established. Most of the community wouldn't bat an eye at, say, $20 to unlock the current experience, and bad actors, if properly reported on enough, won't be incentivized to keep paying money for their ten minutes of fun. Tie the purchase to the VRC account, so it could be shared across platforms, or don't, and double or triple dip. The devs could then implement the features they've promised to plan and silenced people for requesting and relieve dependence on modded clients. It also filters out children, who REALLY shouldn't be left alone on such a platform.
I'd say I'm sorry, but I don't give a shit. It was a fun game, but the maximum you can do is talk to your friends... what can you do in other similar games, where there is more gameplay, and the community is not so toxic. For example, Rec Room. The game seems simpler, but I had a much nicer time in it. And there are not so many weebs and furries. It certainly doesn't change much, but at least it doesn't bother your eyes
I know I'm a bit late and I doubt anyone would see this but, I will always remember the times I've had on VRChat. I've met so many amazing people and I will remember them all, but after this update I noticed some friends just weren't active anymore and I didn't want to play without my mods so I decided to quit, either way I will cherish those memories forever.
VRchat isn't dead, that's a hyperbolic title. The concurrent users only went down 6 percent, and I bet that will reverse after a couple months when people realize Chillout VR is empty.
As someone who uses VRChat bydaily it didn't touch me at all, I don't have any additional problems since that update (and I tested the beta too). The 1% screaming and saying that "it died" are just the ones who would hop the ship within first occasion. And as life told us, we should not adhere to whom is screaming the loudest.
Fingers crossed that VRChat is able to make the right changes to swing back from this much stronger.
I hope people understand that the reason I made this video was not to say "VRChat sucks, go to other games" but to highlight for the average player the bad decisions that led them to a point of massive backlash. VRChat's team seems to have finally heard a lot of the feedback and we'll see how this comes to fruition in due time.
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I am back from my break by the way! Expect 1 - 3 high quality videos like this per week. I took a lot of time to re-assess my strategy and take time away from "just uploading" to focus on making content I want to, and improving my thumbnails.
This marks the start of a new era. 1M by 2024
@@ivycomb that's pretty cool, can't wait to see the kinds of videos you hope to make!
I'm just mostly mad that I recently brought an avitar I had done and because they did this I don't Wana risk it get ripped and used for the wrong reasons aswell as don't Wana get hacked
I really hope so
tbh at this point i hope they dont i hope it will just die
"Easy Anti-Cheat is a security feature" -said no competent programmer ever.
How bad is EAC? Ive heard it was a keylogger when I searched it up but nothing more then that
@@digit5465 basically people who want to hack to mess around can easily bypass it because they aren't big enough (just tweak the features till it doesn't go off).
It's also running at kernel level so some people are iffy with that (because that means it could alter anything on your pc freely at the same level as windows.)
@@satibel that bad huh?
@@digit5465 basically it works to prevent any popular hack from becoming a problem, but it doesn't work against a lot of custom stuff, much like antivirus software.
There's probably few traps like checksums of the program, but if you can edit memory, you can also edit those.
Also using a modified older client and bypassing eac might be doable.
And it doesn't prevent people who want to steal account to just make "totally legit eac bypass.exe" and steal accounts that way.
@@digit5465 has full level admin to your system and reports information to Epic (meaning information can be directed anywhere).
That's all that's needed for a backdoor attack if EAC ever has a security exploit.
My first experience with this new update was the anti-cheat saying that I had a modified client even though I never installed any mod at all, and also fonts getting all messed up after some hours playing (like enchantment table language)
AMD components can trigger EAC from what I remember, cause AMD hardware built-in optimalization is considered a "modification" as well, or that's what I've found
Me: Needs a client to run the game
EAC: “Unauthorized”
@@PanRokador Well I don't have any AMD hardware, I don't even have a GPU btw I play with the integrated graphics from Intel (my cpu is a Intel Core i5 2400)
@@HaruTigerShark30 no game-client no problem :v
Exactly I felt betrayed and angry for what they did to the community because mods were for the disabled, the ones who had bad performance and needed fixes by using mods, etc which destroyed so much
There seems to be a frankly disturbing trend among game devs where they just don't give a shit about their communities. I have watched several developers self-destruct doing exactly this kind of shit over the last few years, and yet they never seem to learn. You'd think listening to your main player base would be a priority, but I guess some game devs just don't see it that way. Shame, really.
maybe because of ego?
cough cough *EA* cough cough
@@Boomrainbownuke9608 In this case it definitely smells of ego. The discord bans, the pushing this update out in less than 24 hours (with no time to test for unintended crashing like has been rampantly seen), and generally being ungodly snarky about it.
Seems the devs are pissed off that modders did their job better and couldn't profit off of it.
Greed is a powerful thing
Roblox is a prime example.
I never really played vrc unless it was with other people and what kinda upsets me personally about all this is that I had just gotten vrc+ before I learned about all this. While not having mods doesn't affect me I don't want to give money to people that affectively stabbed so many people in the back. Hopefully vrc can fix their mistakes but knowing how some of these people work, I admittedly don't have high hopes
Lol yeah they said they don't care about the backlash they will continue with their movement
@@someguywithamustache7235 sooo vrchat now is ea
@@gojizard704 Not even. EA can come back from burning their users, people will still buy the next yearly FIFA game. VRchat was kept alive by mods. Many of which were created by competent programmers. I see a lucrative business opportunity for anybody in the field who wants to make a VR-chat competitor that has the mod support built in and many of the QoL features already present at launch.
@@krel7160 That would be Chill out VR , lol. They allow mods,so long as they are not malicious .
@@someguywithamustache7235 it's not backlash if vrchat just bans everyone who shows mild dissatisfaction. Like the one post that says they are a mute who can no longer communicate with their VR chat friends because their speach mod was removed.
You know how VR chat responded to this reasonable concern? They banned this person for spam. Someone who hadn't posted in the server for months, made only one comment. And got banned. Freaking despicable...
VRChat really did just screw themselves over didn't they
Great video as always Ivy, explains the problem very well and is well paced imo
- doesnt address the main problem fully
- removing the mods people love
Ah yes great job guys
@Wyatt average enclave enjoyer is too dumb to realize that crashing is still very much possible and easy without modifying your client
@Wyatt You got a crashing avatar? If so, may I have it?
hmm, I would rather get 27 degrees of dancing than playing vr chat, cya guysx
@Wyatt i cant fucking speak without a client since i dont have a mic so i cant use text to speech anymore
@Wyatt ok then go reply to a different arguement
Darn, and I thought Mojang adding chat reporting to Minecraft was controversial.
Now THIS is controversial…
This is really sad, first Mojang and now vrchat, when will game developers ever learn
whats going on to the game devs like omggg
Can I go back to 2018? There were tons of new games coming out, Minecraft was still cool, and VR Chat was also cool.
It is sad to see vrchat in this state. Although it is hard to, Im doing my best to try and keep my hopes up and praying things might get better. Im slowly losing my trust in the development team and all Im hoping now is that they can somehow turn around, as it would be sad to leave behind the time and memories that I put into this game.
dude I'm so sorry to say this you are Praying to a brick wall
You didn't put time and memories into VRChat, you put time and memories into content the community created. VRChat didn't create black cat or the avatar you're wearing or the games you play with your friends; the COMMUNITY did. That community will always be there as long as a platform for user generated VR content exists. Other platforms like Chillout are already getting the same worlds and avatars that exist in VRChat because creators are flocking away from VRChat.
Hope it does not, I want people to feel the issues of a monarchy
So instead of saying “we will try to fix the issues of bad modifications.” They said “fuck mods in general.” It’s just sad to see these big companies make decisions that hurt the fanbase that they’ve gathered, but instead they focus on the bad parts of the community. It really shows that they are disconnected from the community that they built up.
are they actually a big company? i thought it was just some ppl working on the game, considering how long it takes for them to add the most basic features in the game
its so heartwarming to see game developers giving a chance for the smaller communities to grow by sharing there player base
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Sorry but I just wanna say that I love your pfp of Wander eating a leaf.
This is going to leave a mark upon the history of VR gaming and VR social games all around.
It's going to be talked a lot. VRChat dug their own grave here.
You know you've screwed up when you've somehow managed to gain over 8 thousand negative reviews in a single day
that alone is a bigger number than the highest ever peak of positive reviews VRChat had for an entire month's worth
This video was not long, informative and entertaining. I never really checked why everyone was hating VRC but when I saw that a bunch of big content creators were all "Screw VRC" or "I know VRC may be bad/shit, but I'll still stream in it" then I knew that they had done something terribly wrong. Now, with less than 10 mins of my day taken I understand this much more and much better.
Awesome vid
I feel so bad for the mute person who got banned for saying they are mute and asking how they are gonna speak now, they didn't even really complain they just asked how they are gonna speak
might be a bad take but:
-They have proven time and time again that they are disconnected from the community
-Them playing the card of "listening to feedback" and promising QoL updates within the next week (which to be screams that they had them planned either way but refornulated to appease people)
-Showing no intentions of rolling back an update which has been proven to do absolutely nothing to combat the issues which they rolled said update out for
To me the devs and primarily the company VRChat does NOT deserve another chance.
Unfortunately I don't think too much action is going to be taken on this topic.
I've played VRChat ever since the week it's come out, and I've seen my fair share of shit that the devs shove in our faces. They don't take into account that people are getting harrassed and abused on the platform, they don't care about security or privacy and better yet they don't consider the fact that *we* want comfort.
This completely takes away the joy in the modding community and rids of accessibility and fun that we had. Half of us don't even use mods maliciously, we just want to be able to have a better experience. This is all really not thought out enough and this has been happening for years. They never think about what we want, they only do it for *their* platform.
i cant even go on the game anymore because i used text to speech since i had no mic
The devs of vrc are pretty much garbage. Then again, most developers are like that
*their investors' platform
Cope
Rip vr chat I guess they should have cared about their game
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I want people to feel the issues of a monarchy
Screw the 25 killstreak they nuked themselves by making 1 Huge Wrong step.
Over here on this side of the continent (Mexico) we have a saiying:
"Crea Fama y échate a dormir"
"Create fame then rest" - Rough Translation
Essentially meaning Make your salf renound for something then go to sleep (échate a dormir) cuz now no one wants to listen now. Since they made themselves famous for something it hard to take that image or title they have on now. Hey ya never know they might bounce back, as a wise Card playing Pharaoh once said "it all depends on their next move".
Also Really nice analysis IV good shit manman i love the neutrality and the nonbiased review keep it up ☕
Overwhelmingly negative reviews on steam. I genuinely want VRChat to learn from this, but honestly the way they're treating the community right now is my biggest concern. They'll either double down even harder and die for it, and another platform will use them as an example of what not to be, or they can learn, and maybe make some kind of comeback. Maybe actually do some moderation and improve things for the users, rather than double down on terrible decisions and seemingly going fully hostile towards the people that built the platform in the first place.
They won't learn shit, they haven't learn anything for years now. They wanted to shill for Epic money, wanted to please investors and they don't give a fuck about community and its wishes at all. And they fucked up big time. Only after fucking up they realized their mistake and try to get back but they are way too incompetent and dumbfuck to realize that BEFORE IMPLEMENTING EAC THE RAM HOGGING ROOTKIT, THEY COULD HAVE IMPLEMENTED LONG ASKED QUALITY OF LIFE FEATURES... they are the indie equivalent of EA Games.
Hope it does not, I want people to feel the issues of a monarchy
Chillout VR will reign superior I'm calling it. I don't even have or play vr. Rip any and all good games and gaming experiences for the future
The funny thing about EAC is that people have already found ways to bypass it
Really?
@@CosmoTheLoco they got past it within the hour it went live
It honestly feels like the only goal that vrchat had was appeasing some investor that was furious over nsfw mods
With everything said and done in the last days I have somewhat of a theory about the reasons behind things.
considering how wrong or at least heavily exaggerated their announcement was I have a hard time believing the update was ever about your security.
it has been said and proven before that crashers are very often not mod based and will continue to work.
harassment and such... idk. have not seen an outcry about it nor have I experienced that.
just blocking someone if they are annoying me seems to have been enough.
accounts getting stolen through mods?
I guess possible but I have not seen any outcry about that either.
but that it's a keylogger? I don't really buy it.
you already have 2FA which should negate that.
and wouldn't it be easier to just get the auth token via the website? e.g. like Discord accounts get stolen.
it's unlikely those issues are addressed. well I suppose with less users come less reports like that.
so what security was the update about?
for a lack of a better term it secures their "feature monopoly", which I suppose is their right to do.
what do I mean?
well the one meaningful feature that vrc+ had was more favorite avatars, and that was easily done via mod, even better just search up the public avatar you wanted to use via another mod.
which brings us to their announcement about the features that they are now rolling out.
I don't think these updates were made suddenly. implementing that much in
Literally hit the nail of the head with these paragraphs. Go woke, go broke if that's how the saying typically goes, right?
That’s a lot of words, too bad I’m not reading them.
i found this video to be professionally scripted and i got to find out a few things about vrchat and it's modding scene.
and you're absolutely right. some of these mods appear to be crucial to the QoL features that could be added to the game. the text mod for hearing impairment would absolutely be super important, yet i don't see it being something the developers would add anytime soon, accessibility is one of the most important things for a game to have, especially a social game like VRchat, and it ends up being cut with this downgrade of an update. the devs are either uninformed or ignorant and i hate to say it but it's probably ignorance :(
My heart slipped a beat when I saw this :( just got enough money for a vr headset, as well as a customized avatar. I hope they turn this around so the hard of hearing can hear. As well as pizza partys.
ChilloutVR will be relaunching in a few days, and fully endorses modding. Accessibility will be either natively supported or will be modded in before long, so I recommend you check that out instead!
I'm serious, go and play ChillOutVR don't waste your time into this abomination of VRChat. The dews do not care about anyone, why sould you if they don't in the first place? Fuck all these rusty cum bucket of developers.
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@Black Sun Gamer it was probably a commission or smth
@Black Sun Gamer @SRG4 I spent 4 days trying to learn rigging, texturing and setting up the VRChat SDK ( spoilers it sucks for beginners )
let alone the amount of verification you have to do in order to upload avatars or use them on yourself is such an incredible hassle without mods that you'd rather want someone else to make it for you because the time wasted doing it yourself is incredible, the amount of PINK error textures I've seen are nothing short of painful
Ive since moved to Chillout as its pretty easy just to convert your unity projects :3
I've seen some of the controversy, but nothing even close to this detailed and informative. Thank you for clarifying every single question I was kinda too afraid to ask, especially because I haven't really played VRC yet (well, once or twice, but with long breaks in between and I didn't even know that there were mods for the game in the first place for example).
4:57 How horrible. I can't believe how selfish and rude some people are to do this to someone.
They all should be doxxed. Honestly. Otherwise they will still act like a big man behind the keyboards.
there's no actual proof that he was muted on the discord for that reason. he says he was yet didn't provide any screenshots of there original message and no proof he didn't spam that same message
I was kinda confused about the vrchat situation, this cleared it up for me, thank you. Wow theyve really screwed themselves over, haven't they. this was a great and very informative video, good job!
Ima quest user, so the update didn’t really effect me, but like my friend is forced on desktop for now. I feel bad for him because he can’t do anything but stand there and be stiff. Also all my pc vr friends moved to other games like neo and chill out and I miss them already. I hope they do something other than just adding the personal mirror and moving menu. They took so much away from 85% of their player base purely because they don’t understand how crashers and ripping avatars fully worked. And one last comment. Dead game lol
Rest in pepperonis
Just move games with them it's not worth it waiting. They've chosen their fate. They are done being a game and want to be a business sadly
Maybe with all this (negative) feedback, maybe they'll fix some of their mistakes made in this. It's all we can hope of.
Imo even if they fix everything, it's too late. They've had years to implement basic QoL and accessibility features and didn't; then they shafted everyone and killed their own platform and *now* after all the backlash they decide they're *going to start working on it.* It's blatantly clear they don't care about their community.
Keep in mind that these features are on other platforms like ChilloutVR from day one as well as multi-threading support, which is why VRC runs so poorly, because VRChat only runs on one CPU core (which mods WERE able to fix; but now you get banned if you try to make the game playable).
I have a hunch this was decided by investors because EAC is the stock standard (and garbage) anti-cheat that every game has, modded clients allow you to have features gained by paying for VRC+ subscription such as more favorited avatars and worlds, and they may be investigating integrating NFTs into VRChat and they want to prevent people from ripping avatars aka "don't screenshot my nft, bro" (which EAC doesn't help because you don't need mods to rip avatars, in fact you can do it from a website so you don't even need the game installed).
Considering how pathetically tone-deaf implementing EAC was, I have to assume this is purely a business move and these are the only reasons I can consider. If it's not that, then it's complete and utter incompetence and lack of care for their community which is also damning.
finally i can play a round of VRChat without having to worry about aim-botting and players seeing through walls.
The moders have had vrchat on life support for some time, and the devs just pulled the plug.
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Oh. I've been living under the rock? It looked quite alive for me based on youtube.
Player numbers are still normal and content will be made. The damage here was in the reputation of the developers and attitude players had towards the game.
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Yeah I‘m really disappointed in the devs. That update has barely something positive about it or actually nothing cause I can‘t find one. But the most recent one is definitely a step in the right direction but eh. There‘s a lot that they have to do to make VRChat better again. Removing Easy Anti-Cheat would be the best thing they can do but that seems VERY unlikely now.
Honestly tho, I‘m happy for the devs of ChilloutVR and Neos VR. They‘re getting a lot more players now and they‘re definitely more motivated to make their social VR platform better than ever. I‘m very happy about that and I‘m excited for the future of those games!
Anyways, great video ofc, Ivy! You covered pretty much everything important about that one bad update VRChat has made c:
While i understand that the devs want to provide a safer place to hang out, completely removing the modding community and using what is basically one of the most flawed anti-cheat (if you can call it that, it might as well just be bloatware) softwares out there isn't the way to go. Instead of working against the community, they should be working with them. Kinda like how the company Giants Software actively works with their playerbase to improve their Farm Simulator series
You know what just saying... This is a prime time for someone to make a friendly user based vr platform that adds these ideas well
Watch ChilloutVR for a couple weeks. It'll get there, I think
And this is why I think the vrchat dev team should be replaced with people who know what they are doing and the play vrchat so that they can tell that whatever they put in is working
I mean hey, on the bright side at least ppl can’t have sex on VRChat anymore 💀
Something no-one is talking about, is how EAC will literally send everything it can access on your computer (RAM, storage, processes, etc) to Epic Games.
Epic Games is 40% owned by Tencent. Tencent is Chinese.
VR Chat is sending your PC's data to China.
If they knew backlash would happen, and went ahead with it anyway, then they knew it'd be an unpopular decision. So, why make the decision anyway, like they did? The only thing I can think of is that they wished for the game to be easier to market, somehow. Money seems like the only reason a dev would do something knowing the majority of reviews would cast their game in a negative light.
And what do you know, this comes suspiciously soon after the Quest 2 raises in price. Definitely not connected at all.
We need an open source P2P vrchat alternative. Something that can be formed in the event the devs do stupidness or go under, while allowing the community to work together to make a truly good platform. We'll never get there on closed source single-company-controlled things like vrchat :(
I feel so alone because I lost nearclipping plane adjuster it was the way I would feel close to people by having my face close to them.
I'm stuck as a desktop user. I loved having stuff like quick access to a servers player list, going third person, being able to use the camera in desktop, using join notifier to see if someone's joined or left, etc...
"ChillOutVR had a 7250% growth in the past 3 days"
Oh my god lmao vrchat messed up big time
Thank you for actually explaining it, Ivy. I have heard something was happening, but nobody had clear terms for what was the cause. A cyborg bee is a better news source than all of cable TV, huh.
In my opinion the game itself isn't bad, it's a game that's completely free to use to talk to friends and other people using an avatar that either you provide or they provide within VRchat. The update may have been a bad move but the backlash is so harsh which in my opinion isn't helping the problem. I'm staying on VRchat only for the fact that people like you and I make worlds/games within VRchat that's fun /passes the time/ allows me to meet more people. Why the heck would I leave those people for the sake of an update. Then again I do not use mods so take this how you will (What's the point I don't need mods to talk to people).
I definitely agree
I’ve also looked into Helios VR as opposed to VR chat, it’s on sale for a dollar currently
It looks quite promising
The only downside‘s to is being it’s very small community and the fact it runs on a different engine (Unreal Engine)
Officer, you're telling me that a bee made this great video essay?
I used to play this with my two best friends months ago before this happened, pretty sure they used mods that helps them search up custom avatars they wanted to use (Like Newgrounds characters or meme characters). What a shame I’ll never be able to re-experience sweet memories anytime soon.
Until their implementation of EAC is either modified to be less intrusive and hogging system resources or is removed entirely, I don't care what 'quality of life' changes are made at all (if any). My PC already has a hard time running VRC as is, with that bloated crap on my system I'd be looking at even more issues.
No, I'm hanging back and watching this fustercluck burn for a good while.
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I love how you’re experimenting with video formats ivy it’s really cool to see a completely new type of video with each upload
VRChat is becoming Roblox
Ha, yeah. I know a number of people who are like "I can live without mods" or "i never used mods in the first place", meanwhile half their friends are leaving vrchat and they're getting crashed frequently. Yeah, have fun with that.
i actually like the update
its stopping ten year olds who just crash and hack people
and tbh with alot of good things
other stuff has to be taken away
so uh
stop whining yall (my opinion)
Yikes, vrchat really messed up here. I haven't been able to play the game (thanks to the frikin update in may), but it's still sad to see that all modded clients aren't allowed anymore. they pretty much punished everyone using mods just because a few people were using it in a bad way.
honestly kinda hope that VRChat just dies completely and CVR or something takes over
i have 2400 hours on VRC btw
I wish there was a way where vrchat could actually ‘verify’ specific mods which help with people with disabilities and other small harmless things, while still keeping away the bad mods which people use to steal avatars and such.
Personally I see this whole situation as a good thing. Now the devs have an actual reason to improve the game since there’s a chance it’ll have competition in the future
In the future? Half a year ago people had already been saying that NeosVR and Chillout had more features than VR Chat especially the avatar interaction and VRChat finally added avatar interaction, which was a couple steps in the right direction. Then they got turned around 90 degrees and took a step off a cliff.
i doubt the devs will ever learn, they wont aknowledge what they had until its gone
@@mikadosannoji553 sorry but the fact that there has been feature after feature added constantly ever since eac was first added tells me that they already have learned and just aren’t willing to give in to modders
@@mikadosannoji553 "Don't it always seem to go, that you don't know what you've got 'till it's gone? (something about a parking lot)" Just remembered part of a song from the early to mid 2000's
As of this moment (And yesterday) Vrchat reached 48000 to 32000 concurrent players
Unfortunately VRChat has also taken a mass suffer in most cases due to its community.
It's. . .So horrible.
Just saying, every game I played that started using eac, I saw a huge increase in people cheating. I just call it easy cheat now.
@@ProtoV33MK1 true, then theres just the challenge of getting away with it as long as you can
TF2 which received a lot worst and took years until we got valve attention: Am I a joke to you?
"Addressing your feedback"
I don't think you can address people that have switched games entirely. Good job guys! Let's alienate the entire community with no explanation or preparation.
I feel they are going to implement some QOL changed into a 'premium' subscription down the line that you would previously been able to use mods to acquire in game because none of the issues they addressed seem to be something that Easy Cheat can resolve. Either that or they have been Audited over their lack of security for how open of a platform VR Chat is, basically allowing a back door into anyone's PC as it's unencrypted
I moved to chillout, it lacks a few minor features but the modding scene and comunity are getting bigger everyday since the eac update came out, the sdk is easier to use aswell
This is a really well made video Ivy! Great job on making em!
honestly putting in lil features that people have been asking to have for years aint gonna be enough to save their game they single handedly destroyed their own reputation and instead of ACTUALLY using common sense they just say nah fuck it i don't care what my community wants i care what i want then the community thought aight man have fun watching it burn to ashes
VRChat does not know the way to run a game. I spit on them.
As someone who had to use mods to optimize vrc so I don't have a seizure It did piss me off that this happened, I really hope vrc fixes this quickly
EAC is the last straw for me. I don't accept having that rancid piece of software running on my system in the name of removing the mods I needed to play VRC in the first place. The way this entire situation was handled from VRChat's developers' side was like watching a toddler have a temper tantrum, and everything that has come through on their official channels sounded like nothing but hollow PR talk.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm glad we're getting some natively implemented disability accommodations now. I won't believe them until we see results though, and the way they're suddenly able to develop these features at a rapid pace, despite having ignored the need for them for ages, leaves major doubts in their good intentions.
Simple answer is they don't have good intentions, they just want to pretend they do to keep popular
Instead of offering toxcity, offer solutions.
The longest I have ever played VRC consecutively, was probably about a weeks time. I had only ever crashed like 5 or 6 times through out the 50+ hours I have played the game. It wasn't very often I would get crashed either and I was on Quest 2. I would hate to see how bad it would be if I were to try the same thing now. I do like VRC though, it helped me socialize more because I am homeschooled
Thanks for pointing this out. As a VRChat player myself, I play on oculus. After the update came out, I didn’t know what to do. I knew I would see most of my friends that play on pc will be gone. Since I had no choice (rec room sucks btw), I stayed on VRChat, just hoping for the best. But VRCHAT did announce a few days after the anti-cheat update, that they’ll be more open to the community and make some changes. Thanks for listening to my Ted talk.
This seems to be the era of "How can we destroy our company!" in the first place, we have Roblox!, Second place Minecraft! and third VRChat! give a round of applause for the winners of how can we ruin a game!
there all still playable and fine
When the update came out, it said my account didn't exist. I sighed out and logged back in again, and it worked. but just a few days ago, it said my account was unauthorized. (Correct me if i spelt that wrong)
By account is still up an running, but I literally don't know why that's happening. It scared the crap out of me though
**insert drake meme**
Improving security
Taking the lazy way out and trying to add anti cheat to fix your "security" problem
I wonder if anything will actually be done, or if they're gonna just release some PR thing.
The steamcharts peaks are definitely lower but far from dead. At the end of the day it was a business deciison. Make a chunk of players mad, majority wont care, the rest will have to buy VRC+ if they want the extra features.
Honestly ive seen one dude I follow not be against this update and the only thing people focus on when supporting this update is malicious mods, which make up a extemely low amount of mods
and a fair bit of them are acessability mods aswell
and honestly from my friends experience atleast this has done nothing but allow bad actors to do things way easier
4:53 unexpected cameo lol. I honestly don’t even feel like playing VRchat anymore, I just feel… betrayed.
Minecraft: adds shitty chat report
VRChat: adds shitty anti-cheat
"I'm beginning to see a pattern here that I'm not so sure I like"
Limiting the amount of crasher avatars? Nah homie, limiting the PLAYER BASE.
Thank you for summing this all up Ivy cuz I never fully understood all the commotion involving this Update. Thank you! 😊
I saw this day coming i just thought it wouldn't die so soon, this quick, and in this way
To me VR chat wasn’t just a game or a social app it was somewhere where you can meet friends socialize and have a fun experience it has been a great over the last three years of me playing up until this update… this update ruined everything and the Devs just don’t care about the community I haven’t played since the update got released but I’ve been told that most of the lobbies are just filled with quest users because everybody’s quitting the game and moving to chill out VR
“it’s not just a game or social app it’s a place to socialize and have fun experiences” so a social app…
@@Duckbusinessman Thats why I said “wasnt just” meaning it is one but its more than that lol big emphasis on the wasn’t just
@@RandomBlake well you haven’t said anything more about it than just re-stating what makes it a social game.
@@Duckbusinessman Its an escape were you can feel like yourself idk what you want me to say I cant describe it
@@RandomBlake that’s what you call a social app.
It only got worse. It's basically unplayable now.
If only someone could record what happened to VRChat, go back in time and show the VRChat company itself the MAJOR problems this decision caused (or will cause).
I really want it back to as it was before all this. I miss meeting friends and interacting on it.
The shade this dude threw at mixed reality headsets! The Samsung Odyssey and HP Reverb both blow the Quest out of the water though. Must be thinking about the old Dell, Lenovo, and Acer ones
This is what happens when a company goes full corporate if vrc were to remove the EAC anti-cheat kernel they're investors would sue the shit out of them. Facebook aka the metaverse had bought half of VR chat back in 2021 and is getting ready to buy the rest of it so best way to get rid of these client people is to use a very easy anti-cheat but I won't be surprised in the next few weeks to coming months that somebody will find a way to get around the anti-cheat but by that time the game's going to be a cesspool of Booth models Quest users Crashers and possibly client users again. ChilloutVR is the future.
I mean the mods where a good thing to have, certainly for those who have disabilities. But calling the game dead is an overstatement. As of after the EAC update the dev team has made some improvements in the beta branch. Which yes they should have added those before the EAC update. I have noticed that there is way fewer crashers. I have not seen any myself but raiding parties on furry worlds has become more frequent (in my experience). I don't think EAC was a bad thing but it's also not the best out there. I'm sticking to vrchat as my friend are still here i made friends on VRChat which i really don't want to lose.
Unfortunately, EAC won't be going away any time soon. Its purpose has absolutely nothing to do with protecting its players, given how malicious actors will get their way regardless. Between the avatar theft and the IP scraping, there is some veil of good intention behind it. The true reason is profit driven, no other way to see it. Modded clients allow people to circumvent further paid features and to disable any advertisements introduced in the game. Though, it was generally agreed upon that the biggest names wouldn't intrude on current VRC+ features out of respect for the game and the development team.
I've been saying it ever since this update dropped: introduce a purchase model, heavily restrict the free to play experience, and retain VRC+. If free players can only use a small selection of avatars and access a curated selection of more regulated world instances, then fewer people will be exposed to malicious persons, and people interested can have a small taste of the experience and still hang out with people more established. Most of the community wouldn't bat an eye at, say, $20 to unlock the current experience, and bad actors, if properly reported on enough, won't be incentivized to keep paying money for their ten minutes of fun. Tie the purchase to the VRC account, so it could be shared across platforms, or don't, and double or triple dip. The devs could then implement the features they've promised to plan and silenced people for requesting and relieve dependence on modded clients. It also filters out children, who REALLY shouldn't be left alone on such a platform.
Thank you ivycomb for friend requesting on VRCHAT.😄😄😄
I'd say I'm sorry, but I don't give a shit. It was a fun game, but the maximum you can do is talk to your friends... what can you do in other similar games, where there is more gameplay, and the community is not so toxic. For example, Rec Room. The game seems simpler, but I had a much nicer time in it. And there are not so many weebs and furries. It certainly doesn't change much, but at least it doesn't bother your eyes
I know I'm a bit late and I doubt anyone would see this but, I will always remember the times I've had on VRChat. I've met so many amazing people and I will remember them all, but after this update I noticed some friends just weren't active anymore and I didn't want to play without my mods so I decided to quit, either way I will cherish those memories forever.
VRchat isn't dead, that's a hyperbolic title. The concurrent users only went down 6 percent, and I bet that will reverse after a couple months when people realize Chillout VR is empty.
Just got into VRChat too, darn :/
As someone who uses VRChat bydaily it didn't touch me at all, I don't have any additional problems since that update (and I tested the beta too). The 1% screaming and saying that "it died" are just the ones who would hop the ship within first occasion. And as life told us, we should not adhere to whom is screaming the loudest.
Let's hope the devs make good on their promises to add said quality of life improvements.
all VRC needs to do. is fuckin role back before EAC, and reopen modding. :/ like. wtf is the problem.
First Roblox, then Minecraft, and now this. Oh boy I can’t wait to see how much worse 2023 is gonna be.