@@rhysgott3379 I literally had to camp on the top of the map because I had played all the rest of the game as a kid and I had almost no good equipment and accessories
Despite being the god of Chaos he was more of a tragic figure, being coerced by Garland to wage never ending war, Garland being him in his past form more battle hungry than him.
When I fought Chaos during my teen years, I had a hard time beating his 3 phases. The sense of accomplishment I felt when I finally beat him was great.
Me too! I was playing as Tidus, and all his dodges didn't really help me. That got me to maining Onion Knight for the original Dissidia, cause I first beat Chaos with OK. For 012, Yuna all the way. BURN EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!
The Messenger is standing at the gate Ready to let go, ready for the crush Too late for whispers, too late for the blush The past is Mercy when the future's glow Kneeling journey dressed in a cloak of shadows The hunting's grim for the innocent eyes Communion's prey is a cup of sorrows But faith is colours for the humbling cries The Pilgrims are gathering and the marching band, the marching bands howling Compassion is the flag a righteous man, a righteous man will hold The Pilgrims are gathering and the marching band, the marching bands howling Compassion is the flag a righteous man, a righteous man will hold The Spirit is over town, waiting for me to hit the floor Blooming white sky for the voice of one calling tonight Tonight, fate is the red crown, the red crown around your door Time is scattering the seeds of the mourning daylight
The avenger is roaming through, roaming through the land Ready for the clash, for the lasting gash, the avenger Mothers kissing sons with a staff in hands The bride is shining when the groom is gold (won't you let it go) Shouting worship choked in a wave of silver The offering's grief for Deceiver's pride, Salvation man is a cup of fire But hope is the star on a morning tide
I remember the chills I got facing off against Chaos playing as my favourite villains ; Sephiroth, Ultimecia and Kuja. It felt like such a real threat. The villains who had always been tough to beat in my childhood were now under my control as we tried to overcome this new threat. It felt so intense.
This is a bit of a late reply but I absolutely agree with you. I remember getting the chills having to listen to these songs on top of the battle. I legit couldn't beat him in the first 10 tries bcz I was getting distracted by how good the music was. Still took me about 30 tries tho 😂
In both iterations of dissidia Chaos was the one boss I struggled most with, he got way tougher in 012 but then again I was using my phone sooooo....yeah phone plus rpg mode actually made playing easier but yeah Chaos plus the music was a great challenge no less.
Chaos is such a cool boss fight from the music the difficulty for casual players and the fact you can fight him with anyone of gf characters so there was always something cool and different and learning his patterns too. I love this game
The Messenger fits PERFECTLY with the glorious battle cutscene in Dissidia NT. I did it a lot of times. Start the music right after Materia finishes speaking and it ends perfectly at the Shinryu explosion
i can still hear chaos screaming “perish” and reflexively closing my fingers for that dodge I still remember blocking scarlet rain as well and dodging the last hit
how this is not in the Theatrhythm Final Bar Line Soundtrack, is just beyond me. It's one of my favorite final boss songs in any Final Fantasy Game. They have the full version of Advent Children One Winged Angel in the game, so length is no excuse.
I was so disappointed this wasn’t in there. I’m also betting on licensing being the issue. It’s probably why Eyes on Me had to be a DLC. I’m still hoping we’ll see it in the future, they have the possibility to just keep adding to Final Bar Line over time in an exciting way. I wanna see some of the Endwalker themes in there someday too lol
Man, even if strangers of paradise was a non canon, maybe, game, it gave light as to why chaos was remembering everything. How he ruled with the woman we know as cosmos. She is just a copy, and jack was merely being dragged into this.
Honestly the final boss SHOULD be unlike anything you've faced before. Think you're a hot shot? Think you understand the game mechanics? Ha!! Here's a literal god that is going to give you so many game overs before you finally taste that sweet feeling of triumph, because you had to learn and grow even up until the very end of the game. Love this game, this fight, and this incredible soundtrack that pushes you to fight on!
Hmm. I think (like every song ever made) their about Jesus. No exception. Warrior of light. I am the way the light and the truth. This is the truth. Harmony defeats chaos, the battle is for your mind.. You get it.?
My greatest fight ever was beating Feral Chaos as WoL when FC still had over half his HP remaining and winning with 5 seconds left in a Regnum Dei that had me dead-on-board.
i just wish there was a version with these vocals but without the long pauses between the verses. The soft-spoken singer adds to the desperateness of the song, but the long gaps kills the hype
Je le connais 😁🤩...c est un ami..tres cher...il continue actuellement...sous le nom de Alex Henry Foster...oui je confirme alex a une magnifique voix....
Just whipped out this game after years. Had to buy a new PSP battery, but I'm so looking forward to playing it all again. The first Dissidia Chaos fight is still my number 1 fight of any game. The pressure of winning 3 times in a row against a super hard boss, the music building every round, and the huge payoff when you finally beat him! Dissidia is an amazing game.
The emulation is better than the physical. It's like having an HD remaster. But still, if they put an official HD collection for the PSP games on PS4, I'd pay full price just for net play. XD
I remember seeing Chaos for the first time in that cutscene where he kills Cosmos, I was 100% sure that I wouldn't get to fight him for some reason. And then I saw his pawn in the last floor, and saw his name pop up, witnessed his fight intro, I was in complete awe, definitely one of my most favourite boss fights
and also a Materia Boss. to really set in stone the back-and-forth nature of the Cycles. it made sense that Cosmos was a non-combatant since she existed to hold the world together. but Materia and Spiritus are mixtures of Cosmos and Chaos, so they should both be Final Bosses for their teams.
@@crimsoncarson7763 Of the music? Nah, wouldn't be worth it since the game is too awful to care about. Of the game? Maybe, but most likely only in fanfiction. I've actually already made a bit of a rewrite, though since characterization is mostly beyond me it's just a general plotline.
I had all three chaos tracks downloaded on my Apple Music and they were recently deleted. I am very upset about it but at least I can still hear it on UA-cam
Judging this purely from a musical stand point this song is bipolar as f. But as an original dissidia player..... Fuck super boss chaos. The then fuck feral chaos in the sequel even harder
I like to think that the first part of the song is an initial feeling of despair going against an insurmountable foe. Second part is the realization that one can fight back thus rallying the inner strength to push through. Third part, the foe shows his ultimate hand showing no quarter thus the struggle for victory takes place.
Idk how they fucked up so bad with NT. All we wanted was Dissidia 012 but for console. THAT'S IT!!! Some polishing here and there. Maybe a couple of added features and new content. And of course way better online capabilities. Other than that, it would still largely be the same game.
pero escucha ese Soundtrack papa, simplemente incrible. me gusta como cambia el ritmo a lo largo de la batalla contra chaos tambien me gusta en la del mundo de cosmo (order santuary creo que era) que es la misma cancion pero con un ritmo mas despacio y relajante
lo que me encanta de dissidia es las mejoras (para asi decirlo) de las caciones de batalla de los jueos de FF, no se porque pero me gusta comparar las veciones originales con las de dissidia
Its about the righteous man who lives in sorrow for these people and this fallen world, falling to his knees in tears, and receiving the holy spirit. Just happened to me 3 weeks ago. Every song ever made is the same. Glory for glory.
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Pay honor to the fellow Dissidia 012 players that finished the game with no hacks
You'd wanna be pretty bad at the game to use hacks
I just finished scenario 000 today and I wanna die
@@Garret-he5xe yes
Does the low hp, high bravery glass cannon onion knight count as hacks? Cause that's the only way I beat feral chaos lol
@@rhysgott3379 I literally had to camp on the top of the map because I had played all the rest of the game as a kid and I had almost no good equipment and accessories
Who else comes back to this video in 2024?
Third phase of chaos always gives me chills
I hope this never goes away
Right here!
People need to remember the best PSP game.
Yep, sunk so many hours into this game
🤚🏾
Every Dissidia players will always remember this BGM when finally buying it at the PP catalog
i laughed it enough i downloaded and used it for my trackmania track
I'm just surprised I wasn't the only one who did this lol
When you've come to kill Chaos but you ended up feeling sorry for the guy.
Despite being the god of Chaos he was more of a tragic figure, being coerced by Garland to wage never ending war, Garland being him in his past form more battle hungry than him.
Keith David is who got me into wanting to do voice acting because of his portrayal of Chaos
He’s a truly excellent voice actor. All the best to you in your voice acting career!
When I fought Chaos during my teen years, I had a hard time beating his 3 phases. The sense of accomplishment I felt when I finally beat him was great.
OH! I know I feel ya dude
Feel ya, it took me so long. I'm replaying the game right now and beating chaos took me a good three minutes tops which was kinda underwhelming :(
I remember beating him the first time after like, 5 tries, and then the fight just starts over again. I was SO UPSET
Me too! I was playing as Tidus, and all his dodges didn't really help me. That got me to maining Onion Knight for the original Dissidia, cause I first beat Chaos with OK. For 012, Yuna all the way. BURN EVERYTHING IN SIGHT!
I beat him with Sephiroth and Squall.
And Kuja later in my life
>begins final battle with Chaos
>Music starts
>15 seconds in
>"CEASE TO EXIST!"
>KO
>Retry battle
Chaos: YOU DARE OPPOSE ME!?
KNOW DESPAIR!
“You resist, in VAIN!!!”
MORTALS!!
I read it with HIS voice, after all these years 😂
That moment when that guitar riff for Last Battle 3 hits, you know that this is it. The moment for the final clash.
"Let us MARK an END to this...ETERNAL CONFLICT!"
The Messenger is standing at the gate
Ready to let go, ready for the crush
Too late for whispers, too late for the blush
The past is Mercy when the future's glow
Kneeling journey dressed in a cloak of shadows
The hunting's grim for the innocent eyes
Communion's prey is a cup of sorrows
But faith is colours for the humbling cries
The Pilgrims are gathering and the marching band, the marching bands howling
Compassion is the flag a righteous man, a righteous man will hold
The Pilgrims are gathering and the marching band, the marching bands howling
Compassion is the flag a righteous man, a righteous man will hold
The Spirit is over town, waiting for me to hit the floor
Blooming white sky for the voice of one calling tonight
Tonight, fate is the red crown, the red crown around your door
Time is scattering the seeds of the mourning daylight
The avenger is roaming through, roaming through the land
Ready for the clash, for the lasting gash, the avenger
Mothers kissing sons with a staff in hands
The bride is shining when the groom is gold (won't you let it go)
Shouting worship choked in a wave of silver
The offering's grief for Deceiver's pride,
Salvation man is a cup of fire
But hope is the star on a morning tide
I like how this has the psp quality. Please never delete this!!!!
I'm praying that they make a 012 remaster
fuck yes please that would be so awesome
I'm praying with you
Doesn't need a remaster in my opinion, but a PC port is overdue
Porting the Villain and his three phases to the PS4 version is whats overdue...
Remaster to next gen graphic but add new NT characters
"DO NOT ATONE! JUST PERISH!" - to the Warrior of Light
"You resist in vain." - Chaos at the end of his special, at least in the original Dissida.
"RRAAAAWWWWWRRR" - Feral Chaos, aka Desperado Chaos, at the end of Duodecim 012.
@@surilius0467 exactly
@@seratarsybagusibrahim5018 He actually can speak. Only 3 words though lmao
Destruction, chaos and discord. Only those words.
@@okamimusha5932 also in 012
I remember the chills I got facing off against Chaos playing as my favourite villains ; Sephiroth, Ultimecia and Kuja. It felt like such a real threat. The villains who had always been tough to beat in my childhood were now under my control as we tried to overcome this new threat. It felt so intense.
Dude, the way you described your experience. You make me relive the horror.
This is a bit of a late reply but I absolutely agree with you. I remember getting the chills having to listen to these songs on top of the battle. I legit couldn't beat him in the first 10 tries bcz I was getting distracted by how good the music was. Still took me about 30 tries tho 😂
Yep
In both iterations of dissidia Chaos was the one boss I struggled most with, he got way tougher in 012 but then again I was using my phone sooooo....yeah phone plus rpg mode actually made playing easier but yeah Chaos plus the music was a great challenge no less.
I was spamming terra's tornado MASSIVE SUCCESS 99.9%
I am an English comment, and I like this song.
I dont even know why this is the only one. Did no one else like this?
Im guessing you guys came to the wrong video i guess xD
Dark Wolf OP is from non English main country
I am a song, and I like this English comment.
This video is getting popular all of a sudden... GOOD!
3:30 is phenomenal
That moment when you think you have defeated him in that hard battle and then you realise it isn't even final form is his stage 1 battle...
And here's the third comment I find from my main account which I left 8 months ago myself.
And that moment when you realise he wasn't even in his final form when you finally beat him (Feral).
Really loved Dissidia, wish they kept with this style instead of NT.
Finished the game yesterday lmfao
So do all who live to see such a time
I miss 012 sadly we will probably never see another dessidia
@@Sowner04 Opera Omnia exists
@@kasam0308 not now
Every time UA-cam reccomend me this vid to listen this masterpiece, I can’t refuse
永遠忘不了花500小時 第一款psp遊戲，在我打完開放最裡面那層拿到真卡歐斯時是多麼興奮，11萬血當時練好久才打贏，進二階副歌更是讓我雞皮疙瘩
My first final fantasy game and my favourite battle. I could never get enough of this.
me too
Chaos is such a cool boss fight from the music the difficulty for casual players and the fact you can fight him with anyone of gf characters so there was always something cool and different and learning his patterns too. I love this game
This game had the absolute most legendary video game songs ever made for it.
The Messenger fits PERFECTLY with the glorious battle cutscene in Dissidia NT. I did it a lot of times. Start the music right after Materia finishes speaking and it ends perfectly at the Shinryu explosion
Chaos is one sad lad.
Every dude in this game is a sad lad, including freaking Zidane. He's in good company at least.
@@agathaperson8 except Emperor, he's just a dick.
What is sad to you?
@@TheHeavieKiwie Ah here's the next comment I see from my main account 8 months later.
i can still hear chaos screaming “perish” and reflexively closing my fingers for that dodge
I still remember blocking scarlet rain as well and dodging the last hit
Gotta love that clutch. The goddamn adrenaline when you pull it off coz you had no other choice.
''Do not atone, just perish!''
Man, you could hear in his voice that he was PISSED at Warrior Of Light.
00:00
3:30
5:29
Thank you
Over 10,000 hours of enjoyment through the years...💖
Man I remember fighting Chaos for the first time while at school at lunch break.
how this is not in the Theatrhythm Final Bar Line Soundtrack, is just beyond me. It's one of my favorite final boss songs in any Final Fantasy Game.
They have the full version of Advent Children One Winged Angel in the game, so length is no excuse.
I was so disappointed this wasn’t in there. I’m also betting on licensing being the issue. It’s probably why Eyes on Me had to be a DLC.
I’m still hoping we’ll see it in the future, they have the possibility to just keep adding to Final Bar Line over time in an exciting way. I wanna see some of the Endwalker themes in there someday too lol
Man, even if strangers of paradise was a non canon, maybe, game, it gave light as to why chaos was remembering everything. How he ruled with the woman we know as cosmos. She is just a copy, and jack was merely being dragged into this.
The chaos we see in dissidia is not the same chaos Garland is destined to become.
@@JB6GD684 I know, but chaos was starting to remember ruling with cosmos in the kingdom, maybe it was when garland was a cornelian knight
@@exitioregem8466 the war between lufenians, cornelians and Onrac happened before the time loop
Honestly the final boss SHOULD be unlike anything you've faced before. Think you're a hot shot? Think you understand the game mechanics? Ha!! Here's a literal god that is going to give you so many game overs before you finally taste that sweet feeling of triumph, because you had to learn and grow even up until the very end of the game. Love this game, this fight, and this incredible soundtrack that pushes you to fight on!
Chaos: true freedom lies only in death...
The first one describes how a pizza delivery employee is going through .
Crimson-Kusanagi • what do u mean
@@crimsoncarson7763 go through the lyrics of the first one
Crimson-Kusanagi • Aren’t the songs the same lyrics just different instruments and arrangements
Hmm. I think (like every song ever made) their about Jesus. No exception. Warrior of light. I am the way the light and the truth. This is the truth. Harmony defeats chaos, the battle is for your mind.. You get it.?
@@Vaga-Bard the song is no meaning I just left up to interpretation
When you use Sephiroth with Soundtrack 3, any battle becomes epic.
I wouldn't be mad if this was the song that plays when the giant health bar appears in the sky tonight.
oh gawd, it makes me want to play dissidia duodecim again on my PSP
Ugh… I remember the feeling of FINALLY defeating feral chaos as Sephiroth. Good times.
Cloud for me was the winner, the pain of going through this over and over but the victory was oh so sweet
nostalgia hit me like a truck
Anyone playing dissidia 012 in 2020???
I'd play against you if I could
Jon Aucaquizhpi can u net play on psp emulator
@@crimsoncarson7763 it is possible with hamachi
Wish I could, need a new PSP battery :/
Here I am
Got chills listening to this
There is no sequel. Dissidia ends here.
Let's pretend that NT never existed.
My greatest fight ever was beating Feral Chaos as WoL when FC still had over half his HP remaining and winning with 5 seconds left in a Regnum Dei that had me dead-on-board.
“Shiver,to the power of a God”
Thank you for preserving this.
Whelp. Time to dust off that PSP again. This music is still intense even though the lyrics are borderline word-salads!
We need this game remastered ❤ forget nt this was the goat!
Remastered and expanded. With Clive and Jack
i just wish there was a version with these vocals but without the long pauses between the verses. The soft-spoken singer adds to the desperateness of the song, but the long gaps kills the hype
Je le connais 😁🤩...c est un ami..tres cher...il continue actuellement...sous le nom de Alex Henry Foster...oui je confirme alex a une magnifique voix....
Is the messenger in dissidia 012 like is the song in the game
I'm in love. Thank you so much!
Damn this brings back memories 😢 we need a remaster.
5:50 i love they put 'doom' theme so their fans can enjoy this game too.
Just whipped out this game after years. Had to buy a new PSP battery, but I'm so looking forward to playing it all again. The first Dissidia Chaos fight is still my number 1 fight of any game. The pressure of winning 3 times in a row against a super hard boss, the music building every round, and the huge payoff when you finally beat him! Dissidia is an amazing game.
Never heard arching band howl... Lots of triumphant bangs
The PTSD from this song tho lol definitely needs a hd remake
Man I wish I had a psp so I can play dissidia 012 guess I’m downloading a psp emulator so I can play it
The emulation is better than the physical. It's like having an HD remaster. But still, if they put an official HD collection for the PSP games on PS4, I'd pay full price just for net play. XD
Pensive Scarlet I agree
You’re in for one hell of a treat. Enjoy!
@@Pensive_Scarlet how do you do that tho? I'd LOVE to play 012 again.
@@otherguyjo1684 The program I use is called PPSSPP. You need a, umm, backup copy of the game in the form of an ISO of course. >.>
I like the fast version of it, it feels like the original
I remember seeing Chaos for the first time in that cutscene where he kills Cosmos, I was 100% sure that I wouldn't get to fight him for some reason.
And then I saw his pawn in the last floor, and saw his name pop up, witnessed his fight intro, I was in complete awe, definitely one of my most favourite boss fights
This would be so good as a D&D boss theme omg. I miss 012 so much
Chaos: Hope does not exist.
FFXIII Hope: HEY!
Makes me wish NT had actually been good. They could have had at least an NT'd version of this for a Spiritus boss fight.
Vadan Drumist yea a Spiritus fight in NT would have been amazing
and also a Materia Boss. to really set in stone the back-and-forth nature of the Cycles.
it made sense that Cosmos was a non-combatant since she existed to hold the world together. but Materia and Spiritus are mixtures of Cosmos and Chaos, so they should both be Final Bosses for their teams.
Vadan Drumist not too late a person can make a reimagining
@@crimsoncarson7763 Of the music? Nah, wouldn't be worth it since the game is too awful to care about. Of the game? Maybe, but most likely only in fanfiction. I've actually already made a bit of a rewrite, though since characterization is mostly beyond me it's just a general plotline.
Vadan Drumist I’m talking about making a imagining of a NT version theme for spiritus and Materia
I LOVE THIS 3 SONGS!
"Give me everything you've got!"
I had all three chaos tracks downloaded on my Apple Music and they were recently deleted. I am very upset about it but at least I can still hear it on UA-cam
juego a este juego desde que salio y lo sigo jugando xdddddd no saben cuantas horas lleva mi partida xd
yo igual
al fin pude soltarlo en 2019 porque mi hijo me decomisó el PSP y empezó a jugar MSG. cómo que siento la necesidad de retomarlo.
Dissidia was superb back in the day. Destroyed my PSP playing this.
Ah....my favorite triage of music. Vibes really well today.
3:42 reminds me of death note, something about that melody
Jesus the bass player in the fast part 🥺
Judging this purely from a musical stand point this song is bipolar as f. But as an original dissidia player..... Fuck super boss chaos. The then fuck feral chaos in the sequel even harder
I like to think that the first part of the song is an initial feeling of despair going against an insurmountable foe. Second part is the realization that one can fight back thus rallying the inner strength to push through. Third part, the foe shows his ultimate hand showing no quarter thus the struggle for victory takes place.
Holy shit this is good.
"YOU DARE TO OPPOSE ME"
- Chaos to Garland -
Such a badass villain, we want a new Dissidia ! (not the NT shit)
Now that Stranger of Paradise story. This hits so different. Jack Garland is the Hero of Final Fantasy.
Cringe
Why isn’t this on Spotify along with the rest of the Dissidia album??
The Dissidia album is actually on Spotify... Everything but Chaos Last Battle, Cosmos and The Messenger.
@@bladewolfdarknight1605 right that’s what I meant lol
@@empty_melodies i understand your pain, literally the best tracks besides Cantata Mortis & God in Fire.
I'm guessing licensing with the vocalists? Not sure how these things work.
My fav parts 4:10 and 8:35
繋ぎがいいね！
Has your vaunted blade altered fates course? Cloud Strife
I don't remember the messenger playing in the game. I just remember 1 2 and 3. Was there a secret 4th phase I didn't know about or something!?!
6:35
Fucking chills
Idk how they fucked up so bad with NT. All we wanted was Dissidia 012 but for console. THAT'S IT!!! Some polishing here and there. Maybe a couple of added features and new content. And of course way better online capabilities. Other than that, it would still largely be the same game.
Maybe if they had all of NT’s characters and music, with 012’s gameplay and story. That would be perfect
Fun fact nt is a port of an arcade game
@@MisterLackLustre Fun fact: Duodecim's an enhanced port of a PSP game.
Who else is here to kill Chaos while listening to this epic theme?!
Imagine a remake or remaster of this game
wE hAvE dIsSiDiA nT lOl
@@lucassworldofletsplays9270 🤣🤣
Why is this not in Spotify?
"for all your wandering,
still you end up in purgatory.
what a shame Cosmos."
"Powerless being..
fall into the shadow of despair...
and begone."
Dissidia is so kino.
I’m in love
Seriously... who IS this singer???
Alex Foster.
In case you don't know, he's the founder/leader of a French Canadian alternative rock band named *Your Favorite Enemies*
Ok if this isn't in final fantasy chaos what was even the point?
I just recently started playing dissidia but I never got the last part. Where do I get it?
It was never in the game. Just an OST released iirc.
Get to the end of the game
A7x join to the battle 4:12
Lmao
A7x what’s that
Crimson Carson avenged sevenfold
x1.25 sounds closer to normal
pero escucha ese Soundtrack papa, simplemente incrible. me gusta como cambia el ritmo a lo largo de la batalla contra chaos
tambien me gusta en la del mundo de cosmo (order santuary creo que era) que es la misma cancion pero con un ritmo mas despacio y relajante
si el tema de Cosmo es muy bueno ^^
lo que me encanta de dissidia es las mejoras (para asi decirlo) de las caciones de batalla de los jueos de FF, no se porque pero me gusta comparar las veciones originales con las de dissidia
igual ya que las versiones remasterizadas gustan más
Lyrics are good when you're a kid, then you grow up and are like, dafuq?
i beat chaos with cloud by just spamming omnislash version 5,beating chaos is easy actually,but need to be extra careful.
Cloud and Squall my way to victory against Chaos my angst was too strong for a mere feral god lol
So the song is about ... Crucifixion and the Crusades, possibly minus the corruption of tax demands... Not some demon named chaos
Its about the righteous man who lives in sorrow for these people and this fallen world, falling to his knees in tears, and receiving the holy spirit. Just happened to me 3 weeks ago. Every song ever made is the same. Glory for glory.
I loved dissidia … and number 2 …. The music the everything… then came nt………..😢
FINISH!!!!!