You Won't Believe What Happens When You Tow With 500hp+ Horse Power 12v | DRAMATIC RANT ALERT
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- Опубліковано 10 сер 2021
- 500hp plus horse power 12v don’t tow that great. Rant over. We will do a bunch about this topic. But I needed to vent lol
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Very interested in the testing on the truck. I'm definitely waiting on this to go my route for my build truck. The work trucks at lower HPs with upgrades to do that work are great,but very interested in your future experiments. Gotta like Rob for his real world thought process.
Just bugs me when i see guys saying i running a 600 ho truck and i don't have any issues drives like stock,
Great video Rob! The 350hp I agree with when towing, clean and still more than enough pick up and go with a trailer on. Would love more in depth as far as tips and tricks for tuning and such to keep egt’s down. I had cranked my pump up a bit using your videos but had to go back down a fair bit due to egt’s climbing as fast as my boost gauge
egt's can be a issue, thats way i want to do some towing video's
@@CUTTERUPROB would be greatly appreciated! I’m not just speaking for myself when I’m saying we all appreciate the hard work and all the time you spend on these videos for us
Finally a rant! Precious morsels of pure truth.....More please!
I good do lots of these but I don’t want to be that guy lol
I completely agree with everything you just said. I have experienced everything you are talking about. Gages are also the first investment to make. I didn’t have a EGT gage and drove my truck hard as hell. I got gages and couldn’t believe how hot I was actually getting. Im surprised my shit is still together.
Great Video Rob!! The problems start when you exceed the max horsepower rated for the factory engine specs, the Stock engine is built to with stand only the rated horsepower after that you are on your own and like you said and well put.Stick to your brand of video Rob, you have great content, if anyone wants more, there are channels that use Dyno's to show actual horsepower gains by product additions, not by unfounded horsepower statements.
i will be doing dyno pulls and loads when i buy mine, dyno is a tool for testing more then numbers ( as most guys use them for ) but you are right they are designed to run the stockish power
Agreed. I had the power hungry side of it for awhile and finally separated the hp hungry side from the use of the truck side. The tow rig is a 400hp/900tq 97 smoke free 97 and the trailer queen is a dedicated pull truck that I would never street drive due to the injection pump manners being horrible lol. And a drag strip build on a 94 that has no need for any daily amenities or stress if it fails. Correct on new dodge whp numbers. I have dynoed new rigs along with other dyno operators I know and they average 280-330 wheel. So gives you a idea of what kinds cooling system is required to support that power output at 100% duty cycle. Or just go look at a semi. :) great video.
hmmm 1000hp semi lol
What's your fuel system? Im wanting to do a similar setup to tow my tractor.
How can I get an extra 100hp from my 97 stock 12v? Need it to be reliable but just need a little more power for towing by trailer .
@@MarcoRodriguez-lr2xt grind the fuel plate to a 0 plate (flat)
Push it all the way to the radiator
Afc housing all the way to radiator
Loosen the star wheel until it has a slight haze
You can leave the pre boost adjustment where it’s at. “It usually will just increase smoke output pre boost”
And that will normally net a free 30-80 whp. Depending on the oem calibration of your pump.
You can add in timing as well but without the correct tools your just kinda guessing. It helps a lot but, it’s something you don’t really want to mess up.
What upgrades did you do to get to the 900rq
Right on man 👍.... like someone else said..great explanation....keep the videos comin as your time permits....👍👊
Thanks, will do!
I have 1996 dually 3500. Weighs 10k#. I often tow a 5k# dump trailer, plus 5 to 10k# load.
Power.drivin diesel parts. K27 turbo and fuel parts. Stock radiator. I tow in the mountains.
I can pull hills at 55 mph, with zero issues. Zero. Making 500 hp at wheels.
I just got a compound turbo kit, with a ported head. Call power driven diesel and they can set you up the right way.
Wow!! Great comparison in the radiator size!!
I found that with a manual trans, if you drop a gear and get the rpm’s up the truck runs cooler. When I had my 362sxe it is most efficient at 2300-2500 rpm. I was pulling a massive hill with a 14k trailer on a 95 degree day. at 1800 rpm coolant temp and EGT’s started climbing. I dropped a gear to 2500rpm and coolant and egt dropped. I held 1000 EGT’s and coolant down under 200. The higher rpm makes the fan spin harder and more coolant and oil flow.
That air flow makes a big difference for all the temps as well. I just don’t like down shifting
Love the content bud! I put a 12v in an obs Ford and its running the big block radiator, 4 row. I haven’t towed hard with it but was thinking a bigger radiator from a 7.3 would work better.
And it fits in that radiator core. Plus its a huge ass radiator!
could be large not sure, i have never had both side by side
Great video great explanation telling it like it is awsome brother.
Much appreciated
I have my first 12 valve It’s a 94 now I just sold my 19 6.7 and before that I had a 01 24 that looked just like your truck and was turned up and loved it but I need to do a lot to the 12 because I’m horribly disappointed with it so far Ty for your videos basically I’m going to be looking into changing it to about a 350 hp truck I’m hoping and still be able to tow with it any information you would have would be great currently I think the previous owners have the transmission all wrong is part of my problem I like I say any information you’re giving I’m listening I’ve been a mechanic for 20 years everything you say makes sense keep up the good work your friend and Alexandria Bay New York just down in the states below you
If you want the playlist I have on ppump 12 valves and if you have questions then let me know.
@@CUTTERUPROB thank you that would be amazing actually even though I probably have most of them saved or have watched them 😊but I would definitely like to have the playlist and I see you talking about a website or something like that where you list part numbers and have parts and tools for sale and whatnot I'm not sure how to get to the website but any information I could get or information about correct parts or correct tools I'm always down for that having the right part just works correctly and does what you want it to do and having the right tool well that's the same thing or just seeing how you made a tool and I can make it cuz I make a lot of my own specialty tools as well but thank you I really didn't expect you to respond 😀
interesting video. so im rethinking the 450 from my 12v now i do tow a enclosed trailer to the track here and there and move equipment around but also daily it. my 05 24v been doing all the work lately with no tuner. its not bad the 6 speed helps it
it can be done just not as easy as a common rail
Great video! For someone who wants to build a 400-450 whp 12 valve.. where should I start? Would the xh35 be able to produce enough air for the bigger injectors needed? And is there overheating issues I might run into like you were talking about if I don’t tow?
I’m building an overlander rig! So it’s all about off-road fun.
Thanks for the videos!
hx35 won't have enough air for that kind of power, send me a emailed / IG message and i will give you some pointers robcutterup@outlook.com
I am glad someone else said it! "I have a 700hp truck" *dynos it* *it only makes 400*. Because these guys saying "oh I have 700hp and my nv4500 is holding up great". Then me over here I think my truck is sub 500... I haven't dynoed it either, but I am in the I blew the teeth off of 5th gear (nv4500) and 6th (nv5600) with only afc mods to a 215hp ppump, 5x16 injectors and a 188/220 cam.
Exactly! i have kill a bunch of trans and thats why i run auto
I run 850 horse power 12 valve cummins tow 43ft fifth wheel no problem EGT..plenty power even to the floor towing 5% grade up hill keep in mind there's so many upgrades flow wise..depends on how far u want to go an spend..me I'd rather have all the power an torque
Dang people and wanting to live beyond their means with everything these days. I completely AGREE with you 350 HP is plenty but for myself torque is even more important than HP especially when putting a tow pig together
I've had to explain this to many people getting into old mechanical diesels...build the truck for what you plan on doing. Me I'm cheap so I build things to be simple reliable and efficient. These are really good points about cooling systems I notice its gets overlooked alot when guys are buying all the need to have catalog parts.
ya lot more to it then just making power
@@CUTTERUPROB very true...I'm gonna start playing around with putting a much larger and wider ford radiator in the truck if I can get it to work I'll send you the pics and details.
Ik this is an old video but the one question I have is what if your going for the torque number not hp for towing Ik you can’t have torque without hp but on my first gen resto project I’m shooting for 1000 flbs torque to match the new fifth gen trucks and beat my 2017 cummins that has 900 flbs at the wheel. I don’t tow everyday I’m a rancher that hauls cows up and down steep mountain roads and the extra torque will come in handy
Interesting I not a hot rod guy but I don't have any thing against it for guys who want to . Me I just want to tow and I think my old 12 valve is probably close to 300ish hp which is a decent towing rig or will be as soon as I get the G56 installed . I tow with is and I was having a heat problem when I towed to Colorado a couple of years ago but I installed a new Mishimoto radiator and fresh coolant now it seems to stay cooler . I have not done the coolant by pass but I need to . My truck get decent mileage as I don't tow fast and that really helps . Sir I really appreciate your videos . I been towing a lot lately and lost lock up in my convertor the last trip that really chapped me as I not a fan of automatics . I use the egt , boost gauge , coolant gauge when I tow , I am a fan of using some rpms to help keep the turbo spooled
ya rpm does help to a point i like to run 2000-2300rpm when towing, i am going to do a bunch of towing, as lots of guys ask me all the time
I was rewatching some of your videos and now I added the coolant by pass you recommend. Got my transmission in and driving it . I remember years ago a fellow named Piers told me exactly the same thing on heat ..I guess I could add a 6.7 oil cooler for a bit more cooling. I was searching your videos for information on hydroboost and the tie rod assembly upgrades and watched this again . Alway a good way to learn
I have a 12v cummins in a 2009 ford f550 truck 2wd and rear axle is 3.91 how much would u turn it to so it can tow 45k to 50k down the highway hot shot I have a 4 core misimoto aluminum radiator how much HP would you safely run it
Hey Rob been thinking the same thing. Wud be great video to see what would be ideal parts and set up for towing and economy. Personally like to see it on a 2nd gen. Kinda pointless to make power your not using and pissing away on fuel. Is a turbo needed for 400hp 2nd gen? Fueling? Love your videos bud.
Watch for up coming videos. I doing a bunch of stuff on my 95. Basically talking about this
Great points .
Great info Rob. Looking forward to your testing.
I’m swapping a 12v into a ‘99 F-350 and the area of the Ford rad I’m using is 810 square inches, vs the Dodge rad at 720. Do you have any experience with how that will affect keeping coolant temps down while towing? Or would it be worth upgrading to a Mishimoto right away? I’m exactly one of the guys you describe who wants to tow at 500 hp 😁
If it was me I would upgrade the rad and intercooler
@@CUTTERUPROB probably a good plan but I might have to leave that until it’s definitely a problem. Budgets and stuff
Ya I hear you.
Can you talk about giving extra power to that 35ft Winnebago Vectra that you have parked in the corner of the yard? Assuming it is the diesel 5.9 12V with the Allison 3060 and not the gas version.
Every video on youtube talks about upgrading a Dodge truck, but there are a bunch of RVs, school buses and box trucks which run the 5.9 12v industrial version rated at 230Hp 605 torque that I am sure a lot of people will be interested to see a video about adding 100hp and some torque to it. I know I am :)
I can do some videos on the rv’s
That one wasn’t Mine.
I plan on 12v swapping my old ford and plan on making 450hp or so at the tire atleast that is the plan. I'm going to try to make it as efficient as possible and as smoke free as possible. Some smoke is good and ok but alot of smoke isn't
right on, ya smoke has its place.
what is that winter camo vehicle at the end of the shop ?
land rover , big ball of rust lol
baby ecodiesel tows great! no balls, but no problems
I don't have money for one of those new fancy trucks lol,
There’s a secondary rant there, for all the guys that say a truck has to have over 500hp to feel fast.
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Preach 🙌🏼
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...horsepower is for Go Fast...
...torque is for Towing...
...if you build horsepower without raising rpm you will have great torque...
...that great torque has to be at low rpm for towing...
Without a dyno, is there means of roughly estimating HP for a 2nd Gen '96 12 valve w/ 47RE, Banks Twin Ram intake, a 3 piece exhaust manifold, #8 fuel plate, timing 15 degrees?
See what it does in the 1/4 mile and use a 1/4 vs hp calculator
Hey Rob I have a few questions love the channel how do I get ahold of you
As of right now. Only way to message me is if you a patron. Just to many people call and ask questions for me to help everyone
I've always thought about running an external oil cooler to compliment the factory oil cooler. Maybe through a universal oil cooler sandwich plate. Has anyone looked at trying to fit a 3rd gen radiator into a 2nd gen? I'm currently swapping an 06 CR into a 94 2500. I want my cake and eat it too.
i haven't looked at it, i have added coolers before they help, one day i will go to the dark side but not yet lol
@@CUTTERUPROB I got lucky and bought a complete wrecked 06. Swapping the 11.5 AAM and 2wd spindles out of the 06 so I can have the 14" brakes along with the hydroboost.
Hey Rob, Would you be willing to sell that black dually bed? Im from northern Montana and I’m in the process of building my dream truck myself.
I sold the truck a awhile ago sorry
People also need to realize that a cummins in not invincible. Tow to the conditions, sometimes less gear, more rpm, less throttle is needed…
you are 100% right there my friend
I'm wanting to go to 3/4 k springs on a 1995 p pump 12 valve but I'm afraid of cheap knock of springs...what are the chances of them being junk and breaking at normal rpms...2,200 rpm at 60mph is better than sitting on the road side with a wiped out AFC housing and pump all together
i have never seen one broken, but i would don't use cheap ones
@@CUTTERUPROB okay,thanks! Agreed, safe vs sorry
Would that apply to marine applications also?
Marine you can run more power as you have cold water to use for cooling
Not rocket science. It's Diesel science.
this is true lol
Great Job- call it like it is…
Thanks!
What about vp trucks?
I tired to tow a 8500lb rv up a hill in the Texas hill country with a stock 12v Cummins and and got stuck just didn’t have the power, so I agree that you have to deal with the heat if you ad power but not having the power to make the tow successful is the balancing act I guess.
my 12v at 650hp barley gets hot enough t0oo open the thermostat with a first gen rad.
wait till you start tow heavy ish will it
I was going to say, maybe it’s because there are no mountains here in Michigan. I’ve been pulling with my 400hp first gen for 21 years and it’s never barely gotten any hotter that driving it empty. Im actually kind of shocked by this video.
No, your 25% more rad.
Have a 17 Nisan Titan with 5.0 cummins. That thing tows great. I have a 99 ram with a 5.9 that’s tuned nothing crazy but I bet you that dodge weighs 1500 2000 pounds more than the titan. and the titan can keep right up with it.
I have never had a lot to do with the 5.0 engines other then a couple I have torn down with bad bearings. I would be interested in the weight of one of them trucks
@@CUTTERUPROB next week I’m going to the scales in the adjacent town and I’ll let you know What she weighs
@@scottpinardi4991 sounds good
@@scottpinardi4991 Update on weight...just started looking into this 5.0 Nissan
@@D.M.Designs So I thought I posted it I must not have and I actually forgot what the weight was but it was pretty heavy I’ll tell you what I’ll go next week to the scale just send me a notification to remind me sorry about that
Rant #2: a 12v under 500hp isn’t slow.
as everyone seems to like rant video i will do more lol