I love how removing psychic frog from this deck essentially just opened up four flex slots. That really allows deckbuilding skills to shine, even when running a "solved" tier one deck.
Like I said before the Frog ban, Entomb is the problem with Reanimator. Without having to run 4 copies of your fatties to reanimate, the deck doesn't have to face the same opportunity cost as other combo strategies that are required to play multiple copies of bad cards.
@@JohnFromAccounting When the card was new I'd have agreed with you, but today we have some 20+ years of Type 1.5/Extended/Legacy history where the card has 1) been mostly fine, and 2) enabled Reanimator as a combo deck. Personally I'm looking at Troll (and to some extent Reanimate) as the main offender. Getting monsters into the yard used to be hard (we played jank like Careful Study on top of Entombs to do that), these days we just dump monsters straight from hand, no outlet needed, while stabilizing our mana in the process. When cards like Reanimate exists, that's just too damn strong. Note that Grief (the card we begged to be banned) did something very similar - binning itself while advancing your game plan.
In match one game one, when they “forgot to cast brainstorm from the Snapcaster” I honestly think they were worried about the Bowmasters with Brian with two lands up. I respect that.
I love this deck so much. I don't care that its play patterns might be toxic. It perfectly combines my love of Delver-y tempo decks with free wins against decks not ready for my bullshit. Also I 5-0'd the league where I played this against you when you were on Nazgul
But Frog genuinely was the best thing to do in Legacy. Eldrazi isn't the best thing to do in Legacy. I think two months from now Eldrazi won't be as popular as it is today.
Opponent in R1G1 might’ve been playing around your bowmasters, cuz you left up two mana, which is why he decided not to cast brainstorm with flashback. That’s just my guess
didn't see you mention it so I will: at 23:20 you had the information to find the best line to play around TKS (and everything else): FoW the Chalice instead of Daze. You didn't have this info until after your Surveil trigger, but still should have changed your decision for the new info (not Daze-ing let's you TS yourself + reanimate in the same turn to play around kcommand/everything else)
In match 2 game 1, when you surveil the thoughtsieze to the top, I think forcing the chalice becomes better. You can fetch underground sea and then thoughtsieze and reanimate bc you’ll have two lands in play. Love the videos, thanks for all the great eternal content!
Seems odd to me that Eldrazi would choose leyline as their graveyard hate of choice. It lines up very awkwardly in combination with Devourer; seems like Faerie or Surgical would be more consistent. I guess it's just the better card in the meta and worth the slightly lower consistency
"I hate eldrazi" - Brian Well yes the play pattern fundamentally eschews most normal gameplay actions like countermagic and removal and plays more like a Pokemon game of "I got the bigger legendary!" and mine can't be countered or removed outside specific exile effects, and even if you do remove it the cast trigger 3 for 1's you! But tbh Brian it doesn't play any different than some big mono green stompy deck dropping Carnage Tyrants and Thruns to avoid interaction, the only difference is Eldrazi tend to strip mine you out of a game instead of trampling 15 damage over the line
Brian's a control player at heart and he doesn't like playing against a card that does double uncounterable Stone Rain. Even if that card isn't broken in Legacy context.
I will admit, I'm surprised that now that all the broken cards are gone, Reanimator is still locked on this blue shell. Reanimator has been a turbo deck forever, and blue-based combo decks like Sneak and Show and Doomsday have been around, was there really just nobody thinking to combine these two things?
There’s been a lot of negative discourse about “chalice checking”. Is it really as sleazy as people make it to be? Obviously not trying to accuse you of anything. I’ve been subbed for a few years and love your content. Just asking for knowledge
It's very simple. The type of sloppy player who is likely to forget about a card they put in their deck then successfully resolved is not going to like it. A tight player who wants to win tournaments knows how the rules work.
Other Legacy decks are similarly extremely high-powered. For example, Nomads en-Kor + Cephalid Illusionist wins you the game for 3 mana, and that deck has a plan B in Nomads en-Kor + Nadu, Winged Wisdom that lets it dodge graveyard hate. Painter's Servant + Grindstone wins as well, and that deck can play Ancient Tomb and abuse Pyroblast and tutor for Grindstone with Urza's Saga. It's also unaffected by graveyard hate. Dark Depths + Vampire Hexmage / Stage is another efficient combo, and it has Crop Rotation as an efficient tutor, and it dodges graveyard hate. In this context, Reanimator is merely a bit better than the alternatives and not some crazy outlier. Now you could argue that the whole power level of Legacy should be reduced. And I'd agree. But you'd need to ban like 40 cards to do that. Just banning Reanimate doesn't change much; you'll simply see Cephalid Breakfast take its place as a quasi-Reanimator deck that's only like 5% worse.
I think atraxa is broken and completely invalidates any other fatties The fact it can be pitched to anything but fury and pyro means it also smooths out deck building so hard Works super well with reanimate too getting you the life back in 1 hit and ‘drawing cards’ without losing you like Reanimator was completely fine before atraxa
I know there’s good reasons for it, but man. I really need to just stopping reading more than the first few works of the titles. It takes all the stakes out of the losing games. Sorry for my annoying take Mr. Roll, long live anything that helps the algorithm
Thoughtsieze yourself is slow, just thoughtsieze them it’s never a punt, doing nothing absolutely was you had no protection it was time to stomp the breaks and wait hope to waste them and get a monster in the bin while the board is clear
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ah yes when bosh plays a tear one deck he goes 5-0 we need this every once and a while so that we never forget that he way to good at magic haha
The montage of awards at the start of the video isn’t reminder enough?
@@NigiriCat I never noticed the awards becasue i am alwase to busy jamming out to the intro song
Tear won*
The only tears in this video are his opponents
23:28 You know Bosh is a top player because he catches mistakes a second before he clicks rather than as the spell goes on the stack 😂
I love how removing psychic frog from this deck essentially just opened up four flex slots. That really allows deckbuilding skills to shine, even when running a "solved" tier one deck.
Indeed. It's a way of how removing cards from the card pool can mean you have more options to build your deck with.
Like I said before the Frog ban, Entomb is the problem with Reanimator. Without having to run 4 copies of your fatties to reanimate, the deck doesn't have to face the same opportunity cost as other combo strategies that are required to play multiple copies of bad cards.
@@JohnFromAccounting What decks are playing multiple copies of bad cards?
@@JohnFromAccounting When the card was new I'd have agreed with you, but today we have some 20+ years of Type 1.5/Extended/Legacy history where the card has 1) been mostly fine, and 2) enabled Reanimator as a combo deck.
Personally I'm looking at Troll (and to some extent Reanimate) as the main offender. Getting monsters into the yard used to be hard (we played jank like Careful Study on top of Entombs to do that), these days we just dump monsters straight from hand, no outlet needed, while stabilizing our mana in the process. When cards like Reanimate exists, that's just too damn strong.
Note that Grief (the card we begged to be banned) did something very similar - binning itself while advancing your game plan.
In match one game one, when they “forgot to cast brainstorm from the Snapcaster” I honestly think they were worried about the Bowmasters with Brian with two lands up. I respect that.
I love watching bosh n roll playing tier 1 decks. The way you navigate and showcase how good those decks are at the highest level is amazing!
I love this deck so much. I don't care that its play patterns might be toxic. It perfectly combines my love of Delver-y tempo decks with free wins against decks not ready for my bullshit.
Also I 5-0'd the league where I played this against you when you were on Nazgul
Cue Phil asking why everyone seems to be playing maindeck graveyard hate.
The last two weeks before this vid would have also cued folks in.
while running a 4-piece dredge combo with no interaction
4 rounds of straight walking into the same deck was exactly what it was like when Frog was legal... Epic Foreshadowing.
But Frog genuinely was the best thing to do in Legacy. Eldrazi isn't the best thing to do in Legacy. I think two months from now Eldrazi won't be as popular as it is today.
Opponent in R1G1 might’ve been playing around your bowmasters, cuz you left up two mana, which is why he decided not to cast brainstorm with flashback. That’s just my guess
Smart, because they've been playing well so that would make sense!
Can’t believe there’s a deck out there making me root for re-animator. So glad you went 4-0. Makes me feel dirty.
didn't see you mention it so I will: at 23:20 you had the information to find the best line to play around TKS (and everything else): FoW the Chalice instead of Daze. You didn't have this info until after your Surveil trigger, but still should have changed your decision for the new info (not Daze-ing let's you TS yourself + reanimate in the same turn to play around kcommand/everything else)
I'm surprised it took this long for TOA to sponsor you. Grats on the pickup.
What I learned from this league: reanimator beats Eldrazi
31:36 I appreciate you not calling it K command haha
Z Command
at 15:50 daze could have returned the surveil land that then effectively entombs archon uncounterably
Is troll a sneaky banable card like astrolabe was?
In match 2 game 1, when you surveil the thoughtsieze to the top, I think forcing the chalice becomes better. You can fetch underground sea and then thoughtsieze and reanimate bc you’ll have two lands in play.
Love the videos, thanks for all the great eternal content!
What a hilarious piece of data right there. 1 deck vs 1 deck 4 times for the 4-0 haha 😄
@57:00 should there be any consideration for bringing Murktides back in, since Cage doesn't actually eat your graveyard?
This is just classic UB Reanimator with better threats. Fuck the frog, this deck is awesome. Feels like old school Legacy.
"Opponent does not reveal devour of destinies..."
I've loved reanimator since I bought the world's champion precon back in '02
@58:00 isn’t it better to hold up consign t1 in case they have double graf or double chalice? Can always thoughtseize turn 2
omg, the cursed swamp entomb keep
28:30 I switched to leyline of the void (delver) after listening to the eternal glory podcast
I've noticed you countering the Kozileck's Command more. Is that a shift in how you play?
Love the watchmen reference lmao
14:10 I might know a guy with a list for you...
Did you consider murktide for the last game after you saw cage? Seemed like a good pivot to me because they probably don't have leyline
TOA is great. Hope it’s a great partnership for you both!
Being the bad guy has it's perks when you get a cool 🏆for it.
if reanimator is the bad guy than eldrazi is the badder guy imo
23:29 I was just about to comment the same thing :)
Seems odd to me that Eldrazi would choose leyline as their graveyard hate of choice. It lines up very awkwardly in combination with Devourer; seems like Faerie or Surgical would be more consistent. I guess it's just the better card in the meta and worth the slightly lower consistency
Leyline dodges Thoughtseize and countermagic, and can't be beaten by just doing Entomb + Reanimate two separate times.
When you say 20 blue cards for FoW, is that including the 4x Forces?
Yes, they can pitch each other.
"I hate eldrazi" - Brian
Well yes the play pattern fundamentally eschews most normal gameplay actions like countermagic and removal and plays more like a Pokemon game of "I got the bigger legendary!" and mine can't be countered or removed outside specific exile effects, and even if you do remove it the cast trigger 3 for 1's you!
But tbh Brian it doesn't play any different than some big mono green stompy deck dropping Carnage Tyrants and Thruns to avoid interaction, the only difference is Eldrazi tend to strip mine you out of a game instead of trampling 15 damage over the line
Brian's a control player at heart and he doesn't like playing against a card that does double uncounterable Stone Rain. Even if that card isn't broken in Legacy context.
I will admit, I'm surprised that now that all the broken cards are gone, Reanimator is still locked on this blue shell. Reanimator has been a turbo deck forever, and blue-based combo decks like Sneak and Show and Doomsday have been around, was there really just nobody thinking to combine these two things?
Troll of Khazad-Dum is the bridge that didn't exist before.
@BoshNRoll Yeah, I thought of that afterwards. Still, crazy that a random cycle of commons from LOTR did all of this.
@@drpibisback7680 Lorien Revealed sees play in vintage
@@BoshNRoll Atraxa also makes blue an easy choice since you can pick up Force + blue card and proceed to never lose.
"Now that all the broken cards are gone" -- what do you mean? Brainstorm is still legal.
the eldrazi slayer
I think this deck might be good against Eldrazi you guys
Bosh pack reanimate 'em if you milled them
We just off Metamorphosis Fanatic, or...?
Most lists are on 1. It’s a flex slot option.
Fair enough; thanks for the metagame insight, as always.
There’s been a lot of negative discourse about “chalice checking”. Is it really as sleazy as people make it to be?
Obviously not trying to accuse you of anything. I’ve been subbed for a few years and love your content. Just asking for knowledge
It's very simple. The type of sloppy player who is likely to forget about a card they put in their deck then successfully resolved is not going to like it. A tight player who wants to win tournaments knows how the rules work.
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I don’t get why a game winning 2 card combo that cost 2 mana is legal.
Legacy. Force of Will/Daze/Force of Negation and a lot of playable graveyard removal make the deck fragile enough to stay.
Also it doesn't really win the game! Plow in response to atraxa trigger can very much keep you in the game
Other Legacy decks are similarly extremely high-powered.
For example, Nomads en-Kor + Cephalid Illusionist wins you the game for 3 mana, and that deck has a plan B in Nomads en-Kor + Nadu, Winged Wisdom that lets it dodge graveyard hate.
Painter's Servant + Grindstone wins as well, and that deck can play Ancient Tomb and abuse Pyroblast and tutor for Grindstone with Urza's Saga. It's also unaffected by graveyard hate.
Dark Depths + Vampire Hexmage / Stage is another efficient combo, and it has Crop Rotation as an efficient tutor, and it dodges graveyard hate.
In this context, Reanimator is merely a bit better than the alternatives and not some crazy outlier.
Now you could argue that the whole power level of Legacy should be reduced. And I'd agree. But you'd need to ban like 40 cards to do that. Just banning Reanimate doesn't change much; you'll simply see Cephalid Breakfast take its place as a quasi-Reanimator deck that's only like 5% worse.
I eagerly await the nuclear option for this pit of a deck. I am so immensely bored of this train wreck
I think atraxa is broken and completely invalidates any other fatties
The fact it can be pitched to anything but fury and pyro means it also smooths out deck building so hard
Works super well with reanimate too getting you the life back in 1 hit and ‘drawing cards’ without losing you like
Reanimator was completely fine before atraxa
Obviously Atraxa is good, but I think Troll might secretly be the card that actually put the deck over the top.
@ that’s possible
They did talk about that in the podcast its probably a combo of a lot of reasons
reanimator pack smoke em if youre rolling in your grave
I know there’s good reasons for it, but man. I really need to just stopping reading more than the first few works of the titles. It takes all the stakes out of the losing games. Sorry for my annoying take Mr. Roll, long live anything that helps the algorithm
eldrazi would hvae more wr if eldrazi player were not eldrazi player stereotipe hahaha
Thoughtsieze yourself is slow, just thoughtsieze them it’s never a punt, doing nothing absolutely was you had no protection it was time to stomp the breaks and wait hope to waste them and get a monster in the bin while the board is clear