Mid Scope Updates Are The Best Thing To Happen For League of Legends
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Throughout the past couple of years, Riot's champion design team has been hard at work updating older champions through a series of smaller scale yet gameplay altering adjustments known as Mid-Scope Updates. Today I wanted to go over them and give my thoughts on how they're changing the game for the better.
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Kennen should get an update of some sort
Is there a way to make Opera like chrome visually
Oh, you want to know how we feel about the nerf that was her mid-scope update, huh?
In short: we were promised infinitely stacking AP along with the cooldown stacking, making Sona the Veigar of supports.
They. LIED.
[clearly livid] LIEDDDDD.
She now has a crappy early game, a questionable mid game and a late game she never gets to reach due to the "ff at 15" mentality. She is forced to go medic and nothing else. She has no power behind her autos and even when attempting Shotgun Sona as it's called, the damage pales in comparison to what she used to be able to put out.
Any time you see a Sona going full AP nowadays, it means that that Sona main is trying desperately to hold onto the better days of season five, the glory days where AP Sona was less restrictive and fun. It also will probably mean that the Sona player knows what they're doing. Whether or not they actually get what they want in terms of teamwork and whether or not the enemy team is going to aim for them specifically is another story.
powercreep is definitely a thing in league, but i feel as though we have reached a point where some new champions have lots of bells and whistles, like belveth and akshan, and some new champions have simpler kits, like vex or gwen, as mid scope updates become more commonplace, i think the powercreep will diminish and the playing field will even out, or at least i hope, i really do hope.
If everyone is broken, no one is
that's too much copium OP, tone it down /lh
@@jordanmaldonado8784 so dota 2
@@theclayman841 nah dota heroes are all underpowered instead of overpowered, some of em are hella annoying doe
Lol it's power creep, but I'd like to argue it's also mostly word creep.
Newer champions have more words in their abilities description
It’s funny how the day this released riot revealed the syndra mid scope update
where?
yeah where lol
I'm sure they did to match the release of the skin, but I don't mind she needed it and I'm sure if they did it before it would not be such a big thing, still that skin looks gorgeous
@@distrector77 link?
She needs one. Most of the old mages tbh. Hopefully they do something with xerath
I’m a Swain main and I’ve been very satisfied with his mini-rework.
It fullfills his draintank commander fantasy and the extended ult doesn’t force him to sacrifice his survivability to deal damage by ending early as well as allows him, one of the most teamfight oriented champions in the whole game to actually stay in teamfights longer. His passive pulls were a funny CC extension but they had to go as they were making him too situationally cheezy in CC oriented teams. I also like that now you can hook multiple targets, adds a nice sense of skill expression.
And the entire league community liked it, cause it turned Swain from a pick stuck in supp and unable to play mid in a goddamn beast with the presence of a juggernaut like Mordekaiser but middle ranged while his ult is up. As for myself, as a tank main, I can't say i'm deceived. Gotta be the best update of all.
Now erase pyke and akshan.
Taking damage from the ult and putting more emphasis on healing off passive was a fantastic decision I don't see many people talk about. It's an underrated part of what really gives the Old Swain vibes we missed in the previous failed reworks. Plus it will be easy for them to single out future balance issues now, as compared to the dark times.
Remove Rylai's and I'm fine with it. With the Rylai's CS his ult is impossible to escape from. Other than that it was a good update, yes.
@@EruCoolGuy As someone who is Swain Main i agree. And Funny enough im also Playing Pyke and Akshan, and both of them are objectivly Bad for the Game. When a Pyke Main defends Pyke, then he doesnt know the Champions stupid Design. A Tank Support, stuck to Build Lethality. And this gets called an Assassin. XD
@@anigodzapex9384 Pyke isn’t objectively bad for the game lmao wtf. Pyke falls off at 20 minutes max. I don’t know what you mean by him being a tank support, literally nothing in his design suggests tank. Having a hook does not immediately make a champ a tank.
Sona player here! The mechanic of pre update Sona of her abilities costing around 90-110 mana with her mana being refunded if used on an ally was really toll heavy and it just promoted the stereotypical stand next to carry and mash buttons instead of being more proactive. Having her mana costs reduced feels better for roaming without the AD carry. As for the stacking stat, the impact of it is not really noticeable if you stacked a lot of CDR besides the R cooldown.
I rarely play Sona because she doesn't really deliver on her promise to me and I barely noticed the changes when I picked her back up (and then dropped her again). You're a real trooper for sticking by her.
I've played for like 4 years and seen Sona ONCE
The stacking is absolutely noticeable, before her rework having it tied to r rank was the most horrible thing ever, you had to actually leash XP to get your spikes as the lowest XP and gold earning role. Now you can almost always achieve max stacks before level 16
It's nice, but holy shit, Sona SERIOUSLY needs a buff to her AP ratios... like 50-100% of what they are (as in 20% becomes 30-40%), right now Star Guardian Belle Delphine feels much more impactful.
Sona is supposed to scale into the late game, having such low AP ratios is seriously underwhelming. Would it lead to people playing AP Sona? Definitely, but why would that be a bad thing?
Forgot master Yi too, who became less about lethality resets and more about slicing through teams with some damage mitigation. Gave him a lot of skill expression he never had lol. Made him more useable early game too with the W change.
Low elo is crying but it was a good change.
@@Aaron-cs3xl When crying lol, yi is still as brainded as garen
so is olaf, just hit q and know when to hit abilities and u can run down the enemy team in low elo
@@youtubegoose7021 🥨
Master yi doesn't take any skill right now, if anything he's even more braindead because there's less MUCH room for risks and he's one of the stronger early game skirmishers(which is downright absurd).
I think this is the best improvement Riot has made: take champions, old and even some recent, that their gameplay was faulty and make them interesting. Their gameplay have become more unique, interesting and different from their pairs.
And the pace of updates are really nice: eight by know and at least two coming (neeko and syndra).
The only fear is that they are normally launched op, but none have needed too many patches to feel balanced, so it is a minor complaint.
Riot releases them a bit strong on purpose to get people to actually play the champion to get more data on usage and it's much easier to nerf a champion into a balanced place instead of buffing them into one.
We've had a lot more than 8 if you count some mini-reworks of the past as mid scopes (e.g removing Viktor's Hexstaff)
*Zeri*
Ahri midscope update is what changed my perception about her from "She kinda nice" to "Shall we play another game, my queen?"
Funny how at the time this video was released, Syndra's mid scope update was announced. What are your thoughts on it? I like how they made her much stronger in the late game while actually having to work for it.
@@iTaxxis Cass had some sort of stacking mechanic?
@@iTaxxis lmao, didn't know that, i started playing at s9. When did riot remove this? Mechanic looks really interesting
@@holywitch13 it would be way to broken with her being able to get 6 actual items, also imagine those 30% stacking with rabadons giving her like an extra 40% ap meaning she would regurlaly hit 1k ap as a machine gun mage.
@@iTaxxis Okay thanks. I really don't know why riot removed that. With some scaling balance it would be really great passive. But now it's syndra's. Sadge
I hope Vars covers this: it seems mid-scope updates are purposefully chock full of resets: Ahri Swain Olaf Sivir Udyr, look at their abilities and you will inevitably find innate cooldown reduction/negation, typically via kills.
Normally when I think of resets, I think of snowballing but also scaling; these reworked champions seem to enjoy the late game way more than before and I wonder if the future of League is to always have late game options.
Udyr resets, sorry WAT??
@@warudobaby5625 when he switches stance, his first two autos will decrease his passive needed to Awaken his stance
Yeah, that's pure bullshit. Now are champions are getting cooldown resets for free and is it wasn't bad enough there is a champion that is literally themed around a reset mechanic - Zilean, and for him reset is an activated ability, while all other champions get reset as a passive on something. This effectively makes Zilean a champion with 3 abilities instead of 4. Furthermore, for most champions a reset is just a bonus that only allows faster ability spam, while Zilean has an utilty locked behind it.
@@aabeeek champs have to interact so they can have the ability again. Zilean just has to press W, don't compare
Well syndra didn't get any resets in her mid scope, but now ult kills you when you hit 15% max HP :)
Cho'Gath is probably the champion that needs a mid-scope the most. And if Riot really wanted to rework him, they would've put him in the first rework poll, they even put Kog before him! I really don't think Riot wants to rework him for some reason, so a mid-scope would be a blessing atleast.
I think they don't want to rework him now because it will be a lot of work. For a Cho'gath rework they need to made him change his appearance as he grows just like the Dark Star skin and he has 2 legendarie skins, 1 mithic and like 5 other skins
Cho'gath deserves a full VGU. He's such an old champion and his theme can be enhanced tremendously. He deserves to fulfill the fantasy of a void monster that grows and becomes more impactful with bigger aoe abilities.
I think he deserves more than a mid-scope which unfortunately probably means he won't get one, no point mid-scoping a champion that you'll just rework later.
Chogath requires a full vgu with 3D model changed to be really scary and full kit overhaul
@@meekumanu Yeah but when will he get that rework? This year was Udyr and next year will be Skarner. Looking at the vote, Shyvana will be the next one (2024) and Tryndamere has a good shot to win over fans in 2025. And let's not forget Nocturne who gets more and more votes each time, at one point people will want him to to finally win (2026). If they have to wait 5years before reworking Cho, might aswell give him a mid-scope in the meantime.
Those updates are coming out way to slow though.
I am very pleased with Anivia's Mid scope update to adjust her projectile speeds and ult castability. Things like that made a HUGE difference.
The one thing that I wish they would change would be one more change to anivia. Just one. a very simple one
Anivia passive is - EGG
revive after 6 seconds after taking lethal damage.
Armor/mR reduction/increase based on level.
I would like anivia to gain a flat 4/5/6/7% movespeed boost while egg is on cooldown based on ult rank. That's enough. that one change would be enough.
Zac passive has blobs on his passive with the revive, so why not give anivia a little something something too.
Because Anivia is already good enough. lol. A 4-7% move speed boost is enormous. At just 5% that's like 15 ms which is nearly a pair of boots.
@@theSato also, zac is a tank who want to get in the middle of the enemy team and stay there. of course he would get a revive alongside his passive instead of it being the whole thing. anivia passive seems more like towerdive proofing, while zac passive is more for survivability in a teamfight
I secondary Sona. I think the mid-scope update was overall not a huge change, but good for what it was. It didn't change her gameplay that much, but it gave her something extra to play for in terms of power ramping, and spamming ults is pretty fun.
I love what they done to Sivir, she really feels like a character she was designed for. I always loved playing her and had success with lethality sovir, but the build was very limiting
Sona's mid scope update feels great, since it actually gave her a consistent late game powerspike
also, Janna's Top lane wasnt because of her rework, it was because of the fact that objective bounties were simply way better than farming up top, along with the fact that they forgot to bring the nerfs to funneling in supports item over to the new support items
my top 3 is:
1. shaco. he needs his E to deal adaptive damage so it doesnt feel like garbage if he builds AD
2. jarvan. he litterally doesnt have anything in his kit, if other champions are overloaded, he's UNDERloaded. i mean just look at his W... worst skill in the game
3. zilean. after renata having his entire ultimate but better on her W, i think the old man needs some touchups on his kit to keep up with the cool kids.
3:24 Sona mains are also indiferent to it, playing both feels pretty much the same but the late game CD for her R was nice, the midscope missed how hard she abuses her itemization and we wanted to see more focus put in her powerchord.
1.2 Million Points Sona Main here.
The Rework ewith the Stacks was a really good one, because your "Late Game" moved from Level 16 to 13-14, based on how good you Stack.
This is reachable, compared to level 16. And it gives hitting Qs early a satisfying Bonus.
I'm tired of people complaining about when champs like Swain or Sivir were reworked and were finally strong and people called Riot retards for doing so. No one played these champs, no one fucking mained them and now finally they are consitently good.
The problem is when their numbers are too high, like sivir was waaaaayyy too much.
@@Han-bw5zn but she finally saw play, things like that are too be expected, no one should expect every rework to instantly be perfectly balanced. Its also better when champs are super strong on launch cause at least then you can simply tune them down.
@@68Layers The other problem is that with these updates to their kit they can absolutely become way too powerful. Swain mid and top is less likely now because of his changes, he has become a drain tank support with cc and high damage but is still tankier then most tank supports.
@@SharpMinder64 so what, that is bound to happen with everything not just reworks. That isn't a good argument against such updates as without them this game will become a cesspool of champions getting left behind. Also btw Swain supp is average as well, he is best played mid do I have zero clue what you are talking about.
@@68Layers yeah she saw play and completly sucked the fun out of every game she was in.
Give Alistar or Rell something. Every engage support is just better at what they do. Even Amumu and Moakai are played more often in the support role (Diamond +) when they where designed for other roles. Personally I'd like to see a charge system on Ali's w idk about Rell.
I find Amumu support is doing just fine at my level too and I assure you I am not Diamond+.
I think you forgot about rengar, he also received a midscope update this year.
To me the one that really, really needs a midscope update is Elise, she's one of the champs I find more interesting but I wish her gameplay would revolve more around her spiderlings, something like her human form actually spawning them and setting up ccs and her spider form controlling their movements and positioning idk I really feel like she needs some change.
In a similar way I guess maybe Nidalee could get some more from her cat form instead of being so reliant on her hitting her Q, idk to me it feels like her cat skills are lacking... something, but maybe it's just me I used to main her and she's funny as hell but idk
Then I would say Varus maybe needs a bit of an identity check
Look at broodmother in dota2. That's the direction Elise should take
@@WTfire10 Time to turn Teemo into Techies and make League players suffer 3 hours game
Ya think nids cat form is lacking? trap got gutted to be useless outside clear and checking brushes and her heal base and ap ratio is not where it was. they made her Q so slow and tiny that it is impossible to land a spear unless target is CCed, which also makes her so reliant on synergy to even function. it's been my dream for years that nidalee gets updated to be playable in the midlane again as i'm still petty asf riot forced her into the jungle
@@xmalin1 Yeah by lacking I meant that her cat form is so heavily reliant just on her hitting her q, bc her kit is not really going anywhere atm apart from "I hit your hp for half and then go in and try to execute"
@@claudionosotti8812 yeah its dumb the 40% increase dmg is locked unless youve hit the spear or trap. Half your damage gone by missing a slow skillshot yeeey
As a Taliyah OTP, she was way more fun and enjoyable pre rework. Pre rework, i had to use my full brain power to figure out how to do basically everything, and especially in early game 1v1s. Knowing that i only won that 1v1 because i played perfectly, i planned out every single move and considered as many options as i could, that was so engaging. Just how smoothly her E, W, and Q worked together was definitely one of the fun parts of her. The amount of ability combinations added onto the fact you had to balance out your movement, as in to kite with Q, dodge their abilities, and avoid the worked ground, it was so perfect i could write a poem about it. I can't get into much depth about it though as it would take waaay too long. Overall, old Taliyah played on the brink of danger, similarly to Lillia, but with more effective range and damage. But the rework made her way more static. You can't fight early since now you're stuck waiting to get your power spike, unable to contribute much pressure early on. She also lost her carry potential, as they cut her damage in half, in exchange for a lot of CC, which hey it was nice but the price that had to be payed wasn't. Her E is reaaaaally clunky now, with how slow it sets itself up, and W practically hits itself, where before it was literally the most engaging part of her gameplay: hitting W. The ways, angles, mind games you could play that spawned just from this one single ability... And it's gone, because it's huge now. Honestly, after the rework, i started losing interest in the game, and now I don't even play it. Its sad how riot thinks there shouldn't be very niche champions on the game, they have a special place that no other champions can fill, but i guess everything has to be streamlined. Really disappointed with this "mini" rework.
Couldnt agree less. Taliyah went from a clunky one shot mage with very high couldowns to an actual control mage with very fluent sequence of abilities. Your whole kit literally matters now. Before you only cared about hitting one ability and thats it. Plus, the new W gameplay feeels realy solid now, felt really clunky to use before though. I do understand though the fact that her power instead of early and proactive went to scale and late game and that doesnt fit anyone, but in terms of gameplay ? huh now feels smooth as hell
Honestly Kled needs a mid scope because he has a bit of an identity crisis. Hes supposed to be a early game lane bully who can dive a team, take out the backline, remount and gtfo.
But now his playstyle feels more like, go even early game because power creep, then die during remount animation because why not. Thats why there was that time when the only way kled was viable was when people were abusing the skaarl bonus hp interaction with sunfire. Then they removed that which leaves kled to either deal no damage and be some sort of front line with tank items. Go full assassin and let every fight be a coinflip, or go bruiser and just sorta do nothing. Also hes just painfully inconsistent to the point where it hurts.
You could do a video about Comprehensive Gameplay Updates (i think thats the name they gave) and who in your opinion should be in the line for one of them!
I'd say that Ivern, for example, is in dire need of one
2:40 Wasn't the Wukong rework where the original infamous "200 years of collective experience" statement made 😆
Man, just imagine if Aurelion Sol would have gotten his mini rework around recent times too, rather than the weird one from patch 9.17.
Maybe in another reality, he did, and his kit wouldn't be getting deleted soon.
Though I'm still happy that Riot made Swain and Taliyah even better than they already were. I always liked them a lot too, but Sol was THE champion that made me fall in love with the game, and I would have really loved to see him getting a mid-scope update that would have ended up like Taliyah's and Swain's, making him better at being a control mage that likes long combat, and worse at one tapping people with a Q-W-R-ignite combo.
Let's just hope that at least Ryze is going to get a good mid-scope update. He probably needs it the most.
I'm pretty sure he is getting one, there have been a lot of leaks about it
Hopefully because the ryze mains are losing their minds-
They're working on one at the moment, but that one is so big it has been taking a while to figure out. Actually, it's more appropriate to call that a full-on gameplay rework than just a mid-scope update.
6:30 It wasn't changed from toggle to 3 Hit.
It was a Toggle first, then a long time, it was just 1 AA. That was useless, and then it became this activate for the next 3 Attacks.
I always played a bit of Sona, but I play her more often since her mini-rework. I enjoy risk-reward mechanics, and rewarding aggression on a weak-earlygame champion like Sona makes her a lot more fun to play for me.
kennen needs a mid scope reallly badly. nocturne too although he is in the meta right now that is only because of his numbers been up he need to get a new w that will give him somehting more meanningfull that an attack speed passive and a spellshield.
Personally, mid-scope updates give me hope. If everything becomes 200 years, then maybe Azir won't be perma pick ban in Pro play.
As for my list of champs that could use an update:
Twisted Fate ( his high-pressure wave-clear and global ult gameplay quickly devolve into just being a point-and-click stun bot for your team come 20 minutes. Coupled with the fact that his wave-clear isn't what it used to be, you've got yourself a really underwhelming champion on your hand. )
Nasus ( Ah, the low elo split push king. How the mighty have fallen. He's too one note and doesn't even deliver that well on his late-game power fantasy. )
Alister ( Just like Nasus, I feel that Alister is too one note. Other picks such as Leona and Nautilus deliver more and scale better than him )
Honorable mentions are:
Ryze ( just put him out of his misery already. )
Orianna ( She has a massive team fight ult, but her base kit doesn't really spell "late-game team-fight Control Mage. She loses too much pressure when her ult is on cooldown. Not to mention that newer releases have arguably better Ultimates than her. She's pulling in too different directions, IMO. Lane bully Poke Mage and late game Control Mage. If you compare her to Viktor, you'll see that he does both things better )
Cho Gath ( somebody mentioned him already in the comments but I'll do it too. He morphed into an AP burst mage from Juggernaut Tank over the last couple of years, similar to Gragas. I believe that a champion who's whole idea is to get bigger the more he eats is supposed to be a fragile one-shot mage. )
I know I left another comment but I feel I should also mention Taliyah. I was a Taliyah one-trick for the first year or so I really got into League. And that was the most masochistic part of my lifespan as a League player. She feels easier to play now without removing the same opportunities for skill expression. I was really worried when her update was announced and though it changed her gameplay, it changed it in a way that perfectly fits my personal playstyle for mages and delivered well on the expectations that come with her thematic. The only part of her kit I will miss is ult'ing out of a bad fight. It wasn't because of its utility because it honestly wasn't reliable and was usually a waste but it was just funny knowing the enemy team could see you travel the full distance across the map.
I mained Sona before and after her update, and I agree that it was a good change. There could have been more changes to her base kit, but just the change of her passive made her so much more interactive. Instead of sitting around and waiting to scale with exp, Sona is now rewarded for actually being active in the early game. Players who can maximize her relatively poor early game are rewarded with earlier power spikes, so even though you don't need to be good at Sona in order to play her, mastering her is now incredibly valuable. It also smooths out her scaling. Before, she hit 3 powerspikes at 6, 11, and 16. Now her scaling is smoothed out so she actually becomes more powerful even between those levels
Think you missed the Anivia mid-scope. She got a pretty substantial series of changes to her kit at the beginning of season 11, pretty much right after your Why No One Plays on her.
Vars is experimenting with some green-red/orange colour schemes. I like it! Looks good.
Really hopeful for the Neeko update. Loved her character design and personality since release and would love to see some changes to improve her kit design.
Me and my friend have been saying for years now that Riot needed to do what Rainbow Six did and do an "Operation Health". Basically just take a year off of making new content (Obviously sprinkle some in there, in this case, I mean new champs), and just fix as much as they can in the game. Rework old champions. Fix the code of the game. Work on game modes, etc... They seem to finally be going in that direction with these mid scope updates. They have been great so far. The only one I didn't care for was Taliyahs. She's more annoying to play against imo, but she was that way before the rework too so not much changed.
As an Ahri main since I started playing League 7-8 years ago, they both succeeded and failed with her update. She's not completely utterly garbage now. She lacked damage for SO long that she was always used as a utility champion instead who's only job was landing charms for picks, Everfrost, or back a few years ago Glacial Augment with Twin Shadows/GLP. Now she feels like she can carry, not as well as other mages, but she's consistent enough. She still has very clear counters *cough* tanks and bruisers, doesn't matter how much you kite them if you barely do damage to them *cough*. But she melts basically everyone else and with her ult resets, she can do it to more than 1 person a fight.
They failed in making her more interesting. I've been slowly moving away from Ahri over the years because she's too simple. She has very little depth. She's apart of the tutorial. She's clearly meant to be easy to pick up. But unlike other easy to pick up champions, she doesn't have a high skill ceiling. Most of her tech is small niche stuff like throw charm then ult directly on top of it to hide the charm. Compare that to my other main in Gangplank. You ever see Gangplank throw a barrel and immediately auto it? You probably think he's just making the timer go down faster so he can chain it to hit you. You're right. And that's the case for the majority of Gangplank players. The majority of GP players don't know that hitting barrels when you have a Sheen proc ready consumes the sheen proc and actually stores it's damage in the barrel. So lets say your barrel does 300 dmg, sheen does 100. Put barrel down, have sheen ready, auto the barrel, lose sheen proc. Barrel will now do 400 dmg. Or that GP's true damage passive stacks and doesn't just simply reset like others. So smack em with passive, blow up a barrel, hit them again, and they're taking like 600-1400 true damage depending on your level. It's stuff like that that makes GP more dynamic and interesting to play leaving out things like 2 pars. Ahri... presses E and then flash to extend charm's duration or curve it's flight path to make it unpredictable. That's nearly the limit of her tech.
As for upcoming updates. Neeko does not need one imo. Maybe her passive, but everything else is fine if you ask me. Neeko is a fair and fun champion to play and go against. Syndra I can see being changed and why but I still don't entirely agree with the choice. I just hope they make her E (Scatter the Weak) less annoying even if it means pumping more damage into her somewhere else.
I find it funny that the details of the Syndra mid scope released the same day as this.
I love the midscope changes, they are not disruptive they understand the champion more than just "change all of the campion and make it OP"
As a teemo main, they NEED to bring his kit from wild rift over (W speed boost starts with a roll dash, Poison is now his passive, E is an activatable stealth like twitch but much shorter and doesnt count down when standing still or in brush). I like how his poison scales with levels so he gives up some early game damage for more scaling while his new w and e give him more of tools for teamfights, something he had none of before. His passive right now is only used as a cheese tool and doesnt really have much use outside of side lanes. I just want him to be more of an actual scout rather than a mushroom factory.
They were going to do that once a few years ago, the entire player base revolted. Teemo is... well... there's a reason he's hated. Here's the thing. I can say that Riot has made changes to League as a whole just to balance Teemo. I wouldn't be right, but I wouldn't be completely wrong either. His passive was too strong, they changed it completely. His R has brought pro play to a screeching halt before all on it's own, so they nerfed it harder than any ability in League has ever been nerfed. That isn't hyperbole btw, his original R really was nerfed that hard, Riot created an entire mechanic just to nerf his original R. His Q and E have been all over the place in a search for a way to keep blind in check. His R messed up pro-play again in a way that made it not fun to watch, the next month they rushed in a reworked of the scanning meta. Changing him has too many ways it can mess up the entire game. There's a reason Teemo is the only champion with a true blind, and the only champion with a trap that's anything like the shrooms. Riot copies ideas off old champions all day long for overloaded champions. But one thing noone has ever said about any of them is, "Oh, it's like Teemo's.....". Teemo's signature abilities are right out, never to be repeated. Teemo is completely hands off, he's poisonous to the game. And I say that as a Teemo main. He can't ever be that good. He breaks too many unofficial rules that have came about over the years of how League is supposed to be played. Which is also why I like him. They've nerfed him to niche status, but he breaks the rules of how we're supposed to play league.
Ah yes the ‘adjustmemts’ that makes every champ affected broken tier until they nerf them next patch or hotfix nerf them (hi master yi). While also giving them less counterplay ( olaf ult reset, master yo Q going where he wants). I’m afraid after reading syndra changes of her becoming way too busted at 100 stacks which sounds reasonable to get around 14-15
Olaf is less a reset and more an extension. Reset implies it is cast again, extension is something like master yi where the duration is extended on takedown. The master yi q thing is more quality of life. It is like when they gave shunpo on kat a place you could land near the target. You are still next to the target in the end, but can at least decide where to land.
Jarvan IV, Renekton and Illaoi come to mind. Any champ that 'doesn't really work', but their 3D model and fantasy is kinda well represented with their abilities requires a mid scope update.
I would enjoy a video of Top 10 Champions needing rework, for sure
Kayle needs one of those mid-scope updates. I feel like in her current state she's more of a conditional late game champ, where as most other late game champs are just powerful once they arrive at late game. Like the planets have to align just right in champ select.
I'd also really like a J4 and Corki update. Both don't feel exactly like they fit well in the roles they play but there are no other lanes for them to go to.
She was fine until there were no hybrid items, with her hybrid scaling.
As a ranged toplaner she will always struggle with a lack of frontline, but she cant be played bot bc she scales on lvls and not gold. Its a problem
@@alex2005z she won't be making amazing actions bot alone, certianly not till after she hits lv 6 though i've played ger as the carry and she can do it, as long as the team understands that, after lv 6 she's ranged and she does still scale with gold too.
Seraphine should be the next one. She is always op as an apc and riot to not make her more broken than she is already in that role causes seraphine mid and supp not be a good option. Imo, to make her good as a midlaner and support without breaking her more as an apc, is a mini rework. Some kind of evolution of playstyle during the game is a good option.
they just released the details for Syndra update , great timing ,
Im really curious how old aatrox after his midscope before the full rework would fare in current league
I would Like a mid scope for Talon since his combo is kinda one dimensional and quite point and clicky....and some quality of life changes, such as R not closing on Talon when you use E or W while invisible
Hmm that is interesting though, however I get why it doesn't do it. You are supposed to use Q or basic attack to dictate where it goes. I still remember when the damage was based of how many blades hit, like MF ult back in the day with her ult. The quality of life that made it just damage if they get hit was nice. I can agree that maybe make it converge on his closest target with w, but even still that is a lot of coding to do vs. the single target stuff. You use anything while invisible though it converges so that was intended.
"When everyone is overloaded, no-one will be."
It would be interesting if league adopted the “if everything is OP then nothing is OP” used in titanfall 2
Twitch just needs cast time scaling based on attack speed just like like Jinx's W and Xayah's Q so they are worth using late game and not being a loss of dps
I would like to see how xerath would fair with a midscope update considering Syndra got one it's not impossible that he would get one.
I don't want him to get a full vgu or cgu cause he is fun to play, I just want him to have some qol changes that makes it less risky to play him.
I love Nasus and always thought that he doesn't need a full rework like mundo or We but that he could get some update to it gameplay
Ed: something people mention alot is the champion fulfilling their fantasy trope with Nasus I don't know if he cover the "master strategist" he is supposed to be in the lore... unless the strat is to farm Q in the top lane until 40min xd
The two that stick out in my head the most are Skarner and Nocturne.
I kind of want to see one for tf. I want them to move his stacked deck to his passive. And give him a new e.
I think it's great that are doing this slowly but surely, if they focused primarily on these updates and getting the champions all more in line would be ideal. And maybe possibly after that's complete (aside from the usual buffs and nerfs patch to patch) Riot could make the Rift more "dangerous" improve the dragon fights to mini boss scale; large AOE Dragon breaths, more knock ups could even make it have a final blow of its own to a champion?
Or even introduce more terrain changes based on soul. Eg, mountain causes jungles to change form randomly in 2min intervals?? Or Infernal causing areas of the map to catch fire that slows? Just brainstorming.
The mid scopes are good, but do require more finesse in assessment of Champions new power level. Great video :^)
This was really well edited
If they aren't gonna fully rework them (higly unlikely as of lately) my picks for mid scope updates would be
Cho'gath, Malphite and Rammus
Cho and Malph feel like they really need something more, specially against all the mobility them new champs have
for rammus i just want him to roll like in wild rift lol
Really hope they try something with Yorick Malzahar and Minion champs in general, they CAN work but they have to find a way to do so
I think Zilean could really use one. He's pretty solid as a champ but has fairly little consistency.
His Q and E are both mitigated by the dash-heavy meta, with Q being super unreliable to hit against mobile champs, and E's slow not mattering when they can just dash anyway. And then in the face of all of these champs having constant uptime combined with obscene scaling, his revive having such a delay basically always means you or your teammate revives and immediately faces an opponent whose full kit has already reset and is ready to 1-shot you.
I have always wondered if or what a update to singed might look like, he’s so seemingly simple and loved by his player base but the only thing thay keeps him playable have been a lot of stat buffs.
His Q is so signature and hard to imagine changing, but its also where the bulk of his power budget lies and might ultimately be what will hold him back, his R represents the rest of his power budget, without R he’s barely a champion.
He has no real sustain nor mobility, his R tank stats dont stand up to true damage.
He often is known for losing laning phase to the majority of other top laners.
hes almost never had a meta keystone, his player base often have multiple preferences, same when it comes to mythics. Many work but none of them feel like ‘the one’.
Its insane how dedicated some singed mains are but many admit playing singed feels like playing with a handicap, yet they often HATE the idea of a rework ever happening.
I kept saying that for so much months. Kt's not the overloaded champion that's the problem. The real problem is that the Talon player for example has to fight Kai'Sa who has ultimate shield and invisibility and enought mobility to survive his burst and run out of his range. So, an adc who solos the assasin which was meant to counter her. But instead of nerfing new champions after selling their skins they should buff older ones.
IMO master yi also received a mid scope update. I rlly like the way they are doing mid-scope updates rn, as it is an easier way on makeing outdated champs more fresh and viable. With so many champs now there are bound to be redundancies, these mid-scopes really improves the champ pool
Not sure if this was mentioned yet but don't forget a sold mid scope update might be out before neekos or just shortly after the new year.
Also wasn't alistar the first mid scope rework champ several years ago?
The only criticism I have with these updates is that many of these champions need a full ASU like Caitlyn got. But since Ahri is getting one too, I think they're doing it in a slower pace
The only thing I would like to see change on nasus is his passive, his q is a great expression of proper farming is power, w to chase his offending target and damn them to hell, e to shred the beef, and his r to strike fear in all your poor souls
Without and inch of doubt, the champion for me that needs a midscope update is Qiyana, the only times she ressembles some kind of playability is when she is OP as hell, and it has to do with all her "hidden" ratios on all her abilities, and her ult having 120% ratio is just dumb, maybe realocate her power budget into more of a single target assasin that casually has more area coverage than a normal one, sorta like Talon, or maybe removing some frustrating features like the Stun in her ult that makes it impossible to deal with inmobile champs.
I am a Sona Support main (currently playing Aphelios ADC tho) and I have noticed to malice towards the midscope update. Yeah sure some might not have liked it but if I remember correctly most rewally liked the new version of Sona, her Early wasn't impacted much but her Late got much better thanks to the Ult CD reduction.
Corki, and ez are the first 2 that come to mind
Powercreep has been happening for ages lol. Bringing up the old champs to match the newer champion power balance is good, because it actually rebalances the game as a whole. If everyone is on the same playing field it’s better even if the field has had an upgrade.
I'd like to add that some updated champions not only gain new mechanics but also lose outdated ones. I think they aren't that overloaded thanks to that. For example Swain can now extend the duration of R but can't pull enemies immobilised by other players. This made him rely less on team comp and more on his E. Another example is Sona, who can now stack CDR but lost mana refund on her basic abilities when near allies. Thanks to that she no longer has to hug a player 24/7 if she wants to use abilities.
"What draws players to her is her stability"
Right... stability...
Ahri Mid-Scope made me fall back in love with her, all in all I think Mid-Scopes are a great idea
how would you make a midscope on jarvan? I think his e q doesn't really need to be changed, but you could do a lot more interesting things with the w
5:45 Olaf guaranteed to come to sovngarde :P
Syndra' mid scope just came and its gorgeous
Now that Riot has been focusing heavily on mid-scope updates it's making me think that they could transition to a two phase rework system for champions that don't need a full ground up rework. They can fix whatever issues might be plaguing a champion like with Ahri, Swain, Wukong, etc and then have the visual design team slowly either touch up or completely rework their visuals almost as if they got a two part VGU just not quite to the same extent. This also means that the visuals design team and the champion design teams don't need to synch up perfectly to get a rework out allowing for more time in either team if needed. And it seems like we're somewhat seeing this with the recent teasers for the Janna visuals update.
Ahri is getting her ASU soon too
Ashe is my pick for a mid-scope. Take some power out of the w and make her more focused around her q uptime to discourage lethality support ashe and lean harder on a crit playstyle
feel like blitz, kennen and rumble could benefit all from one, all they pressure in basically one ability.
I think that we are at the turning point, with this mid-scope updates AND ESPECIALLY with Aurelion rework it's not about how strong newer champions are, it's actually about how weak old champions are. I think that we will see even more mid-scope updates and even reworks like Aurelion is about to get. It's much easier for riot to use 200 years of experience on an old champion than suppress it for new ones.
As an aram player: the talya rework resulted in one of the most oppressive champs out there
How about 3 for each role.
Top: Kennen, teemo, singed
Jg: Elise, shyvana, kindred (their kit is fine, their role is kinda wonky for their usual build)
Mid: nidalee, orianna, Cassiopeia
Adc: id like to see them give graves something to make him viable as adc again, otherwise corki and lucian
Supp: alistar, thresh, and braum
Veigar, Talon, and I can't think of a third one, I haven't been on League for almoat a year now
So, we all know how Veigar works. Charge passive stacks, get more AP, one shots for everyone. Now, I'm just saying, some QoL changes would go well with him, like, make his Q go through enemies instead of stoping at 2, let W charge the passive when it kills a minion, his E is the best Control Area on the game, but still, it's supposed to be a Black Hole, it should at least slow those inside the ability, the R could give a boost of movement speed after using it
Talon, on the other hand... he has become an outdated assassin. His thing obviously, is being the introduction to play the class (althought Zed is the assassin we've all played first), and this makes him the easiest assassin to pick up and play. He is degenerate and easy enough for him to have a decent winrate in midlane, and 48% in jungle. So, how would I update Talon? For his passive, I would make his autos give a stack as well, and I would make his passive activate once te enemy reaches the 3 stacks, no need for an auto. Q could be kept the same way in general, the heal you get when killing something with Q could get an AD scalling, the E could be activable without a wall, just, if Talon uses it that way, it will have a 10 seconds cooldown, bassically, give him back his old E (a Kat E with silence) and if he targets walls, he does the current E with the 2 sec CD
kog needs a midscope, he's the most outdated champ imo :
his passive is the worst passive in the entire game
his Q gives bonus AS but when you compare the numbers to some other adc you realise he has lower AS/level so it's actually pretty much the same as if it wasnt here but he had more AS (and while looking a a few adcs on the wiki to compare this i realise they did the same with jinx, they give her a lot of AS on Q but then she has one of the lowest AS/lvl in the game so the AS buff is way less impactful than it seems)
his W has the low uptime problem addressed by many midscope updates as you mentionned in the video
his E is a slow that is very bad early and you can just walk to the side and avoid it completly, making it useless until you have at least 3 points in it imo but you max it last (and many kog players me included just don't even level it until lvl 13
and his R is alright i think but synergise way better with his AP build than his normal adc (so does his E btw), maybe they should reduce cast time based on AS to make him not lose too much dps late since it's a spammable ability but you have anough AS to make it not worth it to use late game except to finish fleeing enemies
Rell has a great kit and I like it but it constantly feels like something is missing when I play her unless I am up against literal bots or take her into something like urf or ultimate spellbook.
I love Veigar and love playing him but there has to be another route than being allowed to sit under tower all laning phase and becoming unstoppable besides being up against a team with two assassins. I feel dirty.
YUUMI.
Alternatively, Ashe or MF because I always pick first when against them when they play support and they always dominate lane for free, ESPECIALLY when played together.
I'd say Varus needs a VGU because his kit needs an adjustment and his model is a little... eh. On top of that his voicelines are from long before his lore update and no longer fit his character.
Vlad could use a VGU too. Unless you are an aggressive laner that can catch him after his puddle, you have no counterplay capabilities unless you outscale him so hard he doesn't matter. His voice lines are literally all puns and his model causes me almost as much physical pain as his puns.
I think your point about how long a champion can fight for was needed on characters like Ahri, Olaf, Sivir and Taliyah. But annie, Garen and Tryndamere dont fit the same fantasy at least in modern league and neither does syndra as the point behind these champions is often to take out a single contender quickly turning a 5vs5 into maybe a 4vs5 or a 3 vs 5 depending on who they catch their abilities. They don't need more consistency at least in my opinion.
Annie garen trynd yi cho and some more champs are 🔒 in. They will never change as they are basically perfect for new players. And not too overturned for higher turns
Im a huge fan of those changes made a lot of champs healthier and more fun to play. Their kid started to make more sense. Riot connected the threads so gj to them
Sona had been absolutely gutted before her mini rework so its hard to judge fairly, but overall I like it well enough. Sona has always been a fairly chill and reassuring support to play although she does of course still have her flashy and clutch moments. Up until they removed the auto reset on her auto-ability-auto combo I was on board with it.
Renekton and nasus should have theirs done together in the same fashion that kayle and morgana got
1- Gragas
2- Nauti (He was intended as a Jg-Top champ, I wish he came back there)
3- Mundo (The rework was mediocre, I think something should be done with his W)
Honorable mentions: Rumble, Yorick, Illaoi, Fizz, Talon, Vel'Koz, Zoe
I'd say teemo would like a mid-scope update. His W is barely an active ability and his E is just a second passive. Also with the amount of invisibility champions + items and the fact that people can just use oracles or pinks to disable his shrooms he sometimes isn't able to deal damage in teamfights, 1v1s, etc.
However, I'm not sure what exactly he needs to not suck 50% of the time.
I'm an ahri mid/singed top otp. I wasn't aware ahri needed a slight buff but I will gladly take it. Unfortunately, singeds win rate is being inflated drastically by OTPs like myself and I fear the nerfhammer rather than a much needed update. Dude has a 56% wr top and 55% mid...highest in both roles...fuck.
A champ who I think should get a Mid scope update is Blitzcrank, they definitely need a visual update too but I just want Riot to give them a new W. Why does it still slow them it's not like having the pitiful, quickly decaying move speed and average attack speed buff is so overpowered that they need to be a as slow as unmounted Rell for a bit.
You can't use W to run away because the slow at the end renders the distance you got from the speed up useless and you can't chase with it because modern champs are so mobile that they can just dash or hop over walls away from Blitzcrank, pretty much all W is good for is taking towers slightly faster but remember Blitzcrank is a support, you're not dealing much turret damage unless you chose Demolish for your first Resolve rune instead of the far superior (for Blitzcrank) Font of Life and that's considering you aren't running Glacial Augment on them in which case your Resolve runes, if you choose that tree, are most likely a combo of Conditioning/Bone Plating + Overgrowth/Unflinching.
The biggest problem in my opinion is that because of their severely outdated model and animations Riot can't really give them a new W, it's probably a difficult enough task to give Blitzcrank a new W that fits their character or synergizes with the rest of their kit let alone figure out how to animate it on Blitzcrank's 13 year old model without it looking out of place with the rest of their animations.
I think powercreep should be embraced as it's inevitable if you want fun and unique gameplay. Everyone pretends like they want underloaded kits like the "good old days" where every champ is like Nasus, Annie, or Garen and every ability description can be written in one line, but that sounds really boring.
I actually like that Riot is trying fresh mechanics like Akshan revive or Viego possession because they create both exciting gameplay and exciting eSports moments. They will figure out how to make these mechanics fair and reasonable to play against after the fact but they need to be in the hands of millions of players first.
As a Sona main I hate her mid scope. It only brough up her allredy existing problems even more.
Now she is even more of late game champion. She wasn't even a late game champion before. She used to spike when teamfights started.
Her laning got even worse even tho it was almost impossible to win lane before and the only reason why she is so bad in lane in the first place is because technically her abbilities can effect all 5 champions on the team since lvl 1.
She got extreamly tied to Seraph's even tho she is supposed to be better with stacking mana regen and thus runs out of mana in seconds (DURING THE ENTIRETY OF THE GAME) wich ends up very unfun for the player.
The mid scope made her much worse when behind.
She can't actually build Ardent Censer even tho she should be one of it's best users.
I've never had a game where lowering your ult's cd mattered tho that might just be the fault of high burst in the game but that's not an excuse for adding something else that works currently.
Still only picked when op with some out of the blue pick let alone picked up in pro play.
She feels underpowered despite always having high win rate. No matter how many nerfs recieved, she always climbs back up to 52%~
Gameplay doesn't match the theme. She is supposed to be a healing enchanter with a big, gamechanging ultimate, she deosn't have either but to be fair, healing supports don't exist anymore wich is another problem in itself.
She is under constant need of maintenance (model updates, vfx's updates, geamplay changes).
She is not fun anymore, at least for me personally.
Just today syndra mini rework was revealed, is just perfect for her and i hope she didin't Get so nerfed
at this point im still waiting for rell's midscope, they said it wasn't a matter of if they were going to do it but rather a matter of when
QOTD: I dunno what they should do but maybe try and add some skill expression and longevity to Trundle? Maybe make his W expand with takedowns over the course of a fight?
That wouldnt add skill expression. It would just be a thing
I like the mid scope updates waaaaaaaay more , like they waste 2 years to make mundo and udyr legit the same champ, when the mid scope updates actually fixed problems with champs like ahri and wukong etc