Dissecting Bad Memes: Gecko in Amber Shows No Evolution?
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- When a meme tells you not be deceived you should wonder how the meme is trying to deceive you! Such is the case with this meme I've seen many times and was recently shared by a Facebook friend. This may be the first in a series of shorter videos in which I breakdown the lies, misconceptions and intent of popular creationist memes and possible some evolution and politically motivated ones as well.
Link to paper that I reference: An Early Eocene gecko from Baltic amber and its implications for the evolution of gecko adhesionzslpublication...
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The best part about this meme is the scientific name is misspelled:
The correct name is Naultinus elegans, not Nautilnus elegans.
People spreading these memes don’t care about accuracy or attention to detail so it’s no wonder everything looks the same to them.
Oh, wow, that is great. I wish I had noticed that. I'm sure I looked right at the name when i looked it up but didn't notice they had it wrong.
Misspelled it because they are clearly naughty lizards!
Like scammers, the mene creator builds in mistakes to filter for the uneducated. How far does this go around before the likes of Dr Duff sees it?
Had to check letter by letter before I saw it lol.
Creationist meme:
“DO NOT BE DECEIVED!”
Also creationist meme:
*proceeds to deceive*
It's always projection and misdirection. The biggest liars love putting "truth" in the name of whatever they're promoting.
I have observed a similar thing in politics - only a few people are willing to lie, but many people are willing to repost w/out fact checking.
My mother is (was) a case study in exactly this. And it's extremely typical of her (boomer) age group.
Yep.. she even sent me the "Bill Gates is giving away his fortune" crap from the late 90s!
@@drlegendre I haven't noticed this behavior in my age group (i.e., boomer) - I think it's more to do with culture than generation. Background info: not an American.
@@drlegendre Yeah. My father was in the Navy during Vietnam & he can't understand Democrats, Democratic Socialists, Socialists & Communits are not all the same thing.
Deliberate creationist distortion of reality. What a surprise!
My first reaction: the theory doesn't say that there *has* to be change. My second reaction: looking at these two, I'd need some convincing that there *hasn't* been change - I might just be looking at individual differences, or maybe not, I'm certainly no expert in herpetology.
I see differences but as a non-expert, I wasn’t sure whether they were variations.
However, whenever I see a meme like this, that depends on the accuracy of the image, I immediately go looking for more context.
History memes are really terrible about this.
I mean one is less than an inch also
@@PrixyPurple Yes, that came up after I had already finished that comment.
He might look like our gecko, but can he sell car insurance.
Yes but it will take 54 million years to collect. 😅
I could see a number of immediate differences - different scale patterns, coloration patterns, eye protrusion, pupil shape.
One is alive, the other isn't. Am I helping?
It speaks volumes of the argument when false evidence is intentionally presented to support the argument.
Ta again. I think this sort of warning to people is hugely important. I too have a friend, someone whom i know to be an extremely honest individual, but who, nonetheless, repeatedly sends me "misinformation" which he receives from completely unscrupulous sources. When I point out the nature of these posts he apologises for forwarding them ,but even so I have been completely incapable of convincing him that he needs to check for himself the quality of his "information". Particularly if it seems surprising ,or the topic is controversial.Its extremely frustrating, but seems to be the way of the modern world. Anyway, good luck with the new "project". Truth matters.
Last week I had a stinking argument with an individual who called me stupid for trying to understand science. I am blinkered and closed minded for refusing to look at an alternative (and no doubt exciting) rendition of history here on You-Tube. The only reference is volumes of old banned books which somehow survived in a prison library in the U.S. The rest of these books had been systematically destroyed. Actually all knowledge is destroyed every hundred years or so. (Strange as there a plenty of original copies of the Origin of Species.). I was also in a bad mood because another individual had told me that I am falling for Left Wing Propaganda as I read, and even save articles, from the New Scientist. You can't win!
@@suelane3628 It's sad. The internet has given these people the opportunity to build whole networks of "alternative" "experts" who can all reference each other's "work". Bad, or wrong, ideas from individuals are relatively easy to counter, but ,as is the case with much YEC "science" , it's much harder to do so when they can turn to yet another supposed "expert" to back their argument. Particularly when they shift to someone in a field about which we aren't qualified to talk .In my case an example would be "slow starlight ". I'm not a cosmologist. Jason Lisle, wrong though he may be, is. Even if I understood the physics well enough , the person putting slow light out as a "solution" very rarely understands enough to even be shown why they are wrong.
I don't have an answer. Just keep trying I guess , and keep pointing out that the reason we accept (provisionally) the scientific consensus on a subject, is that doing so has a track record of giving useful results.
Funny I even have a New Scientist Article on a small gecko in amber possibly showing the evolution of the sticky toe pads. There was no mention at all of Green Geckos (of course.)
Stuff like this is why I can't stand to go on facebook anymore. You did a great job covering this topic. I think this is a good idea for a series.
Not just Facebook. I leave comments here on You Tube but I no longer check my replies. I believe it is rude not to acknowledge people. However, for self preservation I avoid it. For example an innocent reply involving the scientific evidence for Evolution ends up with a stream of insults from many either Creationists or Anti-Science persons. The impression is that Evolution is a Hoax. The more sensible contributors do not comment at all: thus backing the meme that Evolution is a hoax. I feel very alone!
"I was on Facebook"
Well, there's your problem.
But seriously, I'm glad there are folks like you bringing the fight to the dark corners of Facebook.
Factbook is hardly usable anyway. It shows me like 2 friend posts and the rest is nonsense from random crap. If i want random videos or memes i didn't ask for, that's what i go to discord for
Facebook, more like Farcebook
Even if a species hasn't changed for 54 million years, it still doesn't demonstrate that evolution is "wrong". That Gecko has been subjected to survival challenges like any other species and it turns out the best form to meet those challenges with is it's *current form* and has been for at least 54 million years (assuming the meme has it's facts straight - haha!).
Well put, thanks.
Damn, I was hoping for a link to the paper.
Argh, I totally forgot. Yeah, here it is and I'll put it in the description in case YT doesn't like the link zslpublications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1017/S0952836904006259
Problem was that It was Facebook.
I absolutely hate the "memes" that are just propaganda pamphlets, and not just those made by creationists.
They are always so infuriatingly unfunny, specifically because they are propaganda, not humour.
Who thinks that's the same Species, definitely needs to get some Glasses
I’m in a few “creationist vs evolutionist” fb pages that post ridiculous memes and arguments every few minutes. I mainly just browse it for entertainment but there’s an endless supply of content there for you to critique 😂
You know what I'd really like to know?
How is it that CAPTIONED IMAGES became "memes"? Because to the best of my understanding, Dawkins' idea of a meme has little or nothing to do with "photo funnies" type images with text.
Memes are ideas that spread through a community right? I think that describes what we normally call meme pretty well.
Memes are the new age bumper sticker
0:00 let me pause and guess: this is a "Looks like" argument from the alt-science crowd - like "Rock looks like pyramid" and "Canyon from above looks like lightning".
As milo rossi, aka miniminuteman says, "if your best argument is 'it looks like' then you're probably wrong"
Gotta get that low hanging fruit, or else something might actually require effort on your part.
Appreciate ya. Thanks for sharing.
The historical record shows that everyone spread out from Mesopotamia. Ancient history is essential for everyone to know, especially the sixteen original civilizations… from the sixteen grandsons of Noah. It’s necessary to learn ancient history before trying to learn science.
1. The first inhabitants of Italy (K) Tubal
2. Thracians (L) Tiras
3. Siberians (N) Meshek
4. East Asians (O) Magog
5. Medes (PQ) Madai
6.. Western Europeans (R) Gomer
7. Mediterranean Greek sea people (T) Javan
8. Hebrews and Arabic (IJ) Arphaxad
9. Elamites (H) Elam
10. Assyrians (G) Asshur
11. Arameans (F1) Aram
12. Lydians (F2) Lud
13. Cushites (AB, C) Cush
14. Egyptians (E3) Mitzrayim
15. Canaanites (E2, D) Canaan
16. Original North African Phoenicians (E1) Phut
The D haplogroup descendants of Canaan migrated east through Tibet all the way to Japan. The C haplogroup descendants of Nimrod migrated to South Asia, the Pacific, Mongolia, Australia and all the way to the Americas along with Q haplogroup descendants of Madai ancestor of the Medes.
The A maternal mtDNA haplogroup belonging to the N lineage accompanied the Q paternal haplogroup in the Americas. The C&D maternal haplogroups belong to the M lineage. The B maternal haplogroup seems to have crossed the Pacific Ocean.
The Mediterranean paternal R1b and the maternal X2a also found in Galilee represent an Atlantic crossing of the Phoenicians in the days of King Solomon considering also the Mediterranean paternal haplogroups of T, G, I1, I2, J1, J2, E and B in addition to the R1b in Native American Populations. J1 and J2 is Arabs and Jews. (I1 is Dan, I2 is Asher)
Of course there is the Cohen modal haplotype of J1 P58 which identifies the IJ lineage of Hebrews and Arabs that are descended from Arphaxad. J2 M172 is the descendants of the House of David and Solomon.
Irrelevant gibberish
@@DavisJ-ln6fw Don’t scoff at science and human history.
@@JungleJargon I scoff at your nonesense because that's what it is.
@@DavisJ-ln6fw Prove it.
@@JungleJargon Already been proven. Meanwhile all you have is blather. 😆
You just admitted that the fossil animals are named differently because of slight differences from the animals living today. We expect differences. We don’t expect mistakes to the genome will result in another kind of animal.
He’s responding to an argument that because an animal from 54 million years ago looks like animals from today, there is no evolution. Whatever point you are making is unrelated.
What you expect and what reality shows are two separate things.
@@DavisJ-ln6fw I expect evidence from evolutionists and I never get any.
@@JungleJargon You get overwhelming evidence for the fact of evolution (There is no such thing as an evolutionist ) you just deny or ignore it like every creationist.
@@DavisJ-ln6fw You didn’t give me any evidence because you have no evidence of billions of bits of programming writing itself. You don’t have any evidence of any viable functional programming writing itself.
This is creationists worshiping the creation more than the Creator. To creationists, Adam is the Christ. Yeah, Jesus, he all right, but his work on the cross is not as important as the literal interpretation of Genesis, says creationism
Is he a real Dr?
He has an about page in the decription that shows he is.
@@ozzivpodno1356 dr of what?
Joel Duff is a professor of biology at The University of Akron. He earned his B.S. in biology from Calvin College, and a Ph.D. in botany from the University of Tennessee. He research focuses on understanding biological diversity by examining differences in DNA sequences and genome structure. He has worked on numerous plant and animals systems and has authored more than 40 research articles in science journals. He is an active writer and speaker exploring the intersection of science and Christian faith. He is a contributor to the book _Grand Canyon: Monument to an Ancient Earth_ and blogger at Naturalis Historia. He is an avid nature photographer and enjoys exploring God’s creation with his wife and five children.
@@crow-dont-know Unfortunately, being a staunch religious follower is the opposite of being scientist. Having blind faith in invisible magic beings has shown to have a direct negative impact on conducting viable objective scientific research and as such, this should be disclosed in all papers as a conflict of interest.
@@minibuns6220 I’m unaware of his religious beliefs having an impact on his scientific research and communication. His content on UA-cam tends to focus on criticism of Young Earth Creationism.
So we have evidence of two creatures with slight differences both gecko’s with naming
Get the squirrels out of your attic!! They chewed the wires in my house and caught it on fire.
I spread out butternuts on two old screen doors to dry (green they are annoyingly sticky) in the ell. Found both dumped on the floor. In two days most of the nuts were missing, came home one day, and watched a line of squirrels carrying butternuts out a tiny gap in a window. At least I didn't have to pick them up, but no butternut fudge for Christmas presents that year.
Yeah, I've done a lot of trapping and gotten them all out but almost every winter a new batch tries to take up residence. I have never been able to figure out what their entry point is.
With man giving different names to them so again where is the evolution the evidence stands !
There are quite a few difference between them. And sure, man gave them a different name but does that give a person who had not looked at the specimen the right to name the organism something no expert has and attempt to deceive the person looking at the meme that scientists say its the same thing?
They aren’t the same species. The amber specimen has very obvious differences, particularly if you look up the original description/pictures (link in description).
You clearly missed the point.
Stop saying fustrated, there is an r after the f
Thanks for your feedback. I'll try to do better.