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G'day Shawn, I don't know if you've seen this footage before with one of your Nascar legends. He went for a ride in a Holden Commodore at our biggest car race of the year in Australia called Bathurst. During the year it's just a normal road. I truly thought he was going to pass out. Lol. Enjoy the link below if you haven't seen it before. Ps! Love the show keep up the great work. 🇦🇺 🇺🇸 👍 ua-cam.com/video/dklKiwz945A/v-deo.html
The thing I love about this body style is that no one will ever suspect you have enough torque under the hood to rip a small town off the ground. Badass just like every vehicle on this channel 🤤
I really like the body style. My 2015 Malibu ...was the last year with that body style, I think. Then they went to the egg shape that makes it look like every other sedan out there. Kias, Hondas, Toyotas and on and on an don. This body style although slightly different on the SS than the Malibu...makes it look more like a Cadillac...at least compared to the new egg body.
Love your build! I just bought one last week black 2017 with a Magnuson supercharger 700 rear wheel with 20000 miles on it for 42,000. And it is my first performance oriented vehicle.
I really should have waited and looked around.. got my 2014 for $39k.. 93k miles bone stock. funny thing is shortly after the dealership I got mine from started posting more & more modified ss’s & I just felt like a idiot.
My Uncle has one of these. Done the cosmetics like this one to make it a Holden, runs 850hp+ with a supercharger (and other bits) and uses it as a daily - the thing is an absolute monster and so loud that you can hear him long before you see him!!
@@darylwizzard I lived in Mimico up until a year ago but back in Toronto. GM did this with the new GTO also remember no Canada access. We built Camaros in Oshawa, still build Challengers and Chargers in Brampton, but no - GM in their wisdom. Now cancelling Camaro. Smh.
I love the combination of high performance and restrained styling. 5 years back, I had a 2014 Caprice PPV. Those are a great option if you don't have $40,000 to spend on a 6-9 year old car.
So you see to any Americans here, there is a brand called HSV and it sells this car but as stock. They have LSA engines in it as stock and it sounds amazing.
It would be great to see some other Australian muscle cars on this channel. Im sure you have some over there. See if you can track down Ford XY GT. This car is legendary in Australia.
That's a smart looking car. Very surprised how quiet it sounded from the inside, but it made my ears bleed from the outside. Very very nice. Love the echo when he lifts off the gas. 👍
That things a beast, makes me proud to be Australian when I see Americans loving our cars. I have the 2014 HSV variant, Ive had it 4 years and I still smile when I drive it
I recently did a 2017 SS Holden Commodore at work for a friend. Needed some upgrades and body mods/paint. Badass grocery getter with a LS3 @430hp(stock). Super fun car to drive as it's basically a Corvette with a 4 door body. Definitely one of the neatest cars I've done it awhile.
I have a G8 Holden, V6 base car. One of the best cars I've ever had. Yeah I know it's not a V8 but she scoots pretty well at 260 hps. I l🖤ve my Aussie car. Never getting rid of it.
I absolutely love the SS Sedan. It was brought over as a "halo" car that GM advertised almost not at all. In an interview someone at GM (I forget who) basically said that anyone who wants this car will already know what it is and won't need commercials / ads jammed down their throat. Anyone who thinks it's the same as an Impala or Malibu is (was, RIP) not the market for this car. So it's no surprise many people aren't familiar with it. While it does look similar to a same-era Malibu especially when the two cars aren't parked right next to each other, I absolutely love the SS styling, and even the factory performance would've been good enough for me. In typical GM fashion, just as the car was getting great with the manual option, they of course killed it. '96 Impala SS was awesome and probably would've had an LS in '97... killed the whole B- and D-body line. G8 GT/GXP were awesome... killed Pontiac. SS Sedan was awesome... killed Holden. Props to the owner for making this one even better and thank you Autotopia for showing it some love here!
Unless you were into nascar, no one knew about the Chevrolet SS. GM/Chevrolet did a piss poor job of marketing this car. Like the owner said, the average person thinks it's a dress up Malibu until you get walked on!
GM sold exactly as many as they wanted. They purposely didn't market this car. They had an agreement to import a certain number of cars. That's all they wanted to bring over to the us. No more. It's a shame as it's an awesome car. On the plus side, I go months at a time without seeing another one here in new England.
@@seagen100 Thank you for the explanation, but they lost out on a great market! I'm sure it would have helped bring Pontiac sales numbers up and keep Holden a float also.
Great to see an Aussie car. This is the last of the V8 Commodores in Australia.....sad day when General Motors Holden shut its doors this year! Great video by the way!
They only imported 12,000 SS's to the states. I would hope the dime a dozen slopars sold more. That doesn't make the boats any better. And mine is supercharged as well hellcaps are my favorite car to pick on.
one day i’ll get the chevy ss, i will find this video once i get this car. i know ill get it in a few years . currently 19 but i know damn well ill get it soon. WISH ME LUCK GUYS
🤯🤯🤯 the sound from that car is biblical. Awesome build, love the acid green accents on it. Everything just right. Congrats... Time to supercharge my 300SRT. Yup it's your fault lol!!
My bootleg ass regular Malibu is an amazing car. Good on gas, refuses to ever get stuck in the snow. Great reliability. Never mind the GM bells and whistles like the magnaride, heads up display, seats, brakes etc. What an awesome car ...stock, never mind the amazing stuff this guy did. Most underrated car around imho. I almost bought one with 30k miles, light green metallic paint job..it was a gem. But I couldnt afford the 50k price tag. They had like a 20$ off deal in the US when they were new.
Nice to see a little homegrown aussie muscle car on the show and last of the aussie muscle car. Holden VF SS Commodore last of the aussie V8 muscle car, nice car and a big 👍 for changing the chevy badge to a Holden badge, we have the opposite over hear. Given the selection of muscle cars in the USA and you choose the aussie family sedan is cool....👍👍
Much respect from Australia for putting the holden badge on it , in Australia every second holden commodore ( that's what the Chevy SS is called in Australia) has the Chevy badge on it , nothing wrong with that but it's good to see it go the other way , much respect to the USA for starting the whole muscle car thing
I did a ported LSA, CAM, E85, ect on my 17 SS auto. We are over a 100lbs lighter than the 2 door Demon and can have just as much power as the race tune. So fun to surprise people who think you have a FWD V6! I love 3rd gear, 3,500RPM pulls from 65-130.
The casual Alpina B7 at 6:24 😍... but I would still take this beautiful SS over that any day of the week! I've wanted one of these for a long time and this one is such perfect example of how I'd love to build it! Props to the owner!!
These are really nice cars stock - the interior was pretty nice for the Cheby. They remind me of the Grand National back in the day idea - sleeper stock family daily. Nice build!
Great video as usual! I love these cars, I couldn't grab a ss when they had them at the dealer. But I picked up the Caprice ppv. The lesser version of a SS. Really great car for the money, its truly hard to beat it for what it is. Thanks again.
Love that car. You would think that it would be way more popular than it is. I watched a video on these a year or so ago and it was stated that they did not advertise it much at all. This is one of the best bargains out there in my opinion for a sport luxury sedan.
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These were also available with manual gearboxes.
G'day Shawn,
I don't know if you've seen this footage before with one of your Nascar legends.
He went for a ride in a Holden Commodore at our biggest car race of the year in Australia called Bathurst.
During the year it's just a normal road.
I truly thought he was going to pass out. Lol.
Enjoy the link below if you haven't seen it before.
Ps! Love the show keep up the great work. 🇦🇺 🇺🇸 👍
ua-cam.com/video/dklKiwz945A/v-deo.html
Shawn I do have a Ridge wallet...there awesome..once you get used to traveling lighter.
Punched the throttle.
SOMETHING THAT LOOKS SPORTY OR FAST IS NOT A FUCKING SLEEPER!!!!!
I've always had a soft spot for these sedans, like the G8.
Real shit
Same. They're so beautiful
They're a special breed
They’re actually the same car, just a few years apart.
@@teeheeteeheeish yeah its the same platform but the ss has the ls3 and a better interior
The thing I love about this body style is that no one will ever suspect you have enough torque under the hood to rip a small town off the ground. Badass just like every vehicle on this channel 🤤
Nobody would suspect even though it has fluorescent LSA badges 😒
Still is a badass body style
I really like the body style. My 2015 Malibu ...was the last year with that body style, I think. Then they went to the egg shape that makes it look like every other sedan out there. Kias, Hondas, Toyotas and on and on an don. This body style although slightly different on the SS than the Malibu...makes it look more like a Cadillac...at least compared to the new egg body.
As an Aussie I approve of this weapon.
@@isaiahkelly8966 be cool man🤣
@@SirCavemaninthewest wtf u going on about lad 😂
Yep we love our Commies and HSV’S
I’d choose this over a newer charger.
In a heartbeat!!
Amen!!!!
Yep. Chargers are everywhere! Like mustangs
@@superrookie1554 awww go easy. What about the shelbys 😞
@@superrookie1554 GM needs to bring back the SS
I need a chevy ss in my life asap. Car sounds badass. Very nice car.
Fax fam ‼️‼️‼️
Got one
@(S)-Soren Langord 👍🤘
Too bad they’re around 30-40k used in America but a used camaro only cost 18k-25k and you almost get the same performance
@@allaansnackbar4269 fax
3:29 Old lady wasn't having any of that.
wasn't laso at 9:17 haha
karen
@@amilcarozunacruz8925 same clip over and over
Shit gets annoying on public roads. Love the car tho
@@victorkenarsy3024 Hahahaha well the Karen's of Australia had to go through it!!! 🤣🤣
"STRAYA KUNT" 🇦🇺 💪
HOLDEN GTS-R W1 COMES FACTORY WITH A SUPER CHARGED LS9. 👍🔧🏁
Yes but only 4 of these Maloo machines were made exclusively.
@@WonderingShadow
I have seen one Holden maloo gtsr w1 here in Auckland NZ a few years back. Now going for a cool million + $$$
Yeah but unless you're a millionaire dream on.
@@christiangafenesch600
Luckily... dreams are free.
🤑🇬🇸❤
There is a gtsr and a W1 both sedan and ute
Aussie Aussie Aussie oi oi oi.
👍🔧🏁
A man of culture I see.
Gm gm gm gm gm gm
@@YungEagle3k
GM Australia/usa 👍🔧🏁
"STRAYA KUNT" 🇦🇺 💪
Holden for Life
Screw GM for phucking us over & killing the mighty Holden Lion off... God forgives, but I don't!!!
@@TheAlmightyClipse hey, they took away pontiac from us years ago.. it's your turn to lose holden LOL
Holden !!! love them 4 ever ....From way down here in New Zealand ...Mad car ,love it
One of the few cars that you could get with a manual 6 speed
Manual is a totally diff philosophy but it’s the way I like to do it
The only way
One of the few American manuals. Learn to drive imports. Better quality.
@@Frisky_Panda it is a import
Sure
I don't know that neon Supercharged LSA badges are exactly "sleeper" but I definitely like the car.
Was gonna say that 😄
Just de-badge the car
@@ihaveasmallpenisbut5129 But he upbadged it in the first place.
@@ihaveasmallpenisbut5129 Put an Impala LTZ emblems on it and play head games.
Nice . I have a GTS with LSA . They go great . Watching from Australia
I have SSV wagon with LSA harrop 2650 blower and also watching from Australia, so proud of our humble commodore
@@peterrichards1058 good work !
Thank you for this awesome experience, Autotopia LA!!! you guys killed it with this video!!!
Love your build! I just bought one last week black 2017 with a Magnuson supercharger 700 rear wheel with 20000 miles on it for 42,000. And it is my first performance oriented vehicle.
Congrats on a great car!
I really should have waited and looked around.. got my 2014 for $39k.. 93k miles bone stock. funny thing is shortly after the dealership I got mine from started posting more & more modified ss’s & I just felt like a idiot.
I got my 15 “perfect blue” with 49k miles, all stock pawpaw driven for 35k 5 months ago. Bout to slap on a LSA
Not a Chevy guy but I do love these. I think one of the more underrated cars made in the last 10 years.
Love the Aussie car culture. It is closest to that in the USA - big fast cars on big roads in a big country.
That thing sounds savage, love it.
My Uncle has one of these. Done the cosmetics like this one to make it a Holden, runs 850hp+ with a supercharger (and other bits) and uses it as a daily - the thing is an absolute monster and so loud that you can hear him long before you see him!!
I’m Australian and I love American Cars and love that the American’s love Holden’s
Some ppl like them. Not many
Love it! Practical and fast! What a beast. Such a shame that Holden is no longer in business.
"There's a lady that came out to the street, she's mad"....... "ok, let's do a fat burnout " 😎😎😎 GANGSTER!
Holden in the aus SS in Murica Its so underated but the LSA MOTOR THOUGH makes a Shockwave Sound In a sleeper.Hell yeah
That's very well done. As an Australian and former Holden owner, I approve! :D
Here in Australia these are everywere, love em..
Omg!! The sleeper of all sleepers!! What a clean ride!! Love to see one of the locals getting some AutoUtopia love🙌🏾🙌🏾
GM never sold this in Canada. Come on eh!
eh?!
Australia
I see a SS that lives in Mimico Ontario.
@@darylwizzard I lived in Mimico up until a year ago but back in Toronto. GM did this with the new GTO also remember no Canada access. We built Camaros in Oshawa, still build Challengers and Chargers in Brampton, but no - GM in their wisdom. Now cancelling Camaro. Smh.
we get fucked over in Canada for cars all the time, what else is new lol
I love the combination of high performance and restrained styling. 5 years back, I had a 2014 Caprice PPV. Those are a great option if you don't have $40,000 to spend on a 6-9 year old car.
So you see to any Americans here, there is a brand called HSV and it sells this car but as stock. They have LSA engines in it as stock and it sounds amazing.
Btw, put a HSV GTS wing on it and it makes it look better than heaven.
I love seeing our American brethren adding the Aussie Holden emblems and logos. So much respect! This is awesome!
Haha! That lady was pissed!
nah she was just waving them down so she could get a ride hahaha
Damn that car sounds good 👀👍
It would be great to see some other Australian muscle cars on this channel. Im sure you have some over there. See if you can track down Ford XY GT. This car is legendary in Australia.
This is fuckin sick man, wow. I'm blown away. This is like the perfect daily
That's a smart looking car. Very surprised how quiet it sounded from the inside, but it made my ears bleed from the outside. Very very nice. Love the echo when he lifts off the gas. 👍
Its got a bimodal exhaust aswell, flick a switch to quite it down more.
I’m picking mine up tomorrow boys!! Black on black SS. I’m so excited
Have mines too!!! Dream since high school came to reality!
That things a beast, makes me proud to be Australian when I see Americans loving our cars.
I have the 2014 HSV variant, Ive had it 4 years and I still smile when I drive it
This thing is such a great car!
great video !!!!! love this ss sedans !!! I had to get one myself and finally got it in 2020 :-) dream car
I'm somewhat new to your channel within the past two years. The ss so far is my favorite episode yet. From day1i heard of that car always wanted one
If I could get an SS, this is exactly what I would do to it
Please get a 6speed. Coming from an lsa owner
@@ZLwh1ne it doesn’t matter which one I get.
You'll be happier with a manual
Act fast, they are getting pricy!
@@ZLwh1ne okay.
I recently did a 2017 SS Holden Commodore at work for a friend. Needed some upgrades and body mods/paint. Badass grocery getter with a LS3 @430hp(stock). Super fun car to drive as it's basically a Corvette with a 4 door body. Definitely one of the neatest cars I've done it awhile.
What a sweet noise!! This thing hooks up solid hey? Great car 👍🏻
Awesome car!! I’ve always been a fan of the Holden myself. Great little mods and a badass car.
We got the SS in Britain too. We called it the Vauxhall VXR8. Pity you dudes didn't get the Holden Maloo. Modern El Camino right there.
GM does some dumb shit. Purely profit focused now. Ran Oldsmobile, pontiac, and holden into the ground
Those Holdens!!!!!!!!!!!!! Straight Mean!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks OZ
Beautiful Chevy
I'm all about the 4 door sleeper concept
Have been for years
Sounds great
Nice build
Even though the Chevy SS didn't sell well, they are holding their value very well. Car guys know.
I have a G8 Holden, V6 base car. One of the best cars I've ever had. Yeah I know it's not a V8 but she scoots pretty well at 260 hps. I l🖤ve my Aussie car. Never getting rid of it.
I absolutely love the SS Sedan. It was brought over as a "halo" car that GM advertised almost not at all. In an interview someone at GM (I forget who) basically said that anyone who wants this car will already know what it is and won't need commercials / ads jammed down their throat. Anyone who thinks it's the same as an Impala or Malibu is (was, RIP) not the market for this car. So it's no surprise many people aren't familiar with it. While it does look similar to a same-era Malibu especially when the two cars aren't parked right next to each other, I absolutely love the SS styling, and even the factory performance would've been good enough for me.
In typical GM fashion, just as the car was getting great with the manual option, they of course killed it. '96 Impala SS was awesome and probably would've had an LS in '97... killed the whole B- and D-body line. G8 GT/GXP were awesome... killed Pontiac. SS Sedan was awesome... killed Holden.
Props to the owner for making this one even better and thank you Autotopia for showing it some love here!
Unless you were into nascar, no one knew about the Chevrolet SS. GM/Chevrolet did a piss poor job of marketing this car. Like the owner said, the average person thinks it's a dress up Malibu until you get walked on!
GM sold exactly as many as they wanted. They purposely didn't market this car. They had an agreement to import a certain number of cars. That's all they wanted to bring over to the us. No more. It's a shame as it's an awesome car. On the plus side, I go months at a time without seeing another one here in new England.
@@seagen100 Thank you for the explanation, but they lost out on a great market! I'm sure it would have helped bring Pontiac sales numbers up and keep Holden a float also.
Got the Holden treatment nice.
I love these vehicles. CTS- V , G8 , and the SS four door sedans. The new caprice is nice too.
It’s a great car, I’ve got a friend who’s got a 2017 Chevy SS 6 speed he bought new 3 years ago, it’s a very cool car. It’s like an modern E39 BMW M5.
Great to see an Aussie car. This is the last of the V8 Commodores in Australia.....sad day when General Motors Holden shut its doors this year! Great video by the way!
Breaking Mopar hearts since 2014. Love these cars, RIP holden.
Run a Mopar showroom to showroom. You'll be sorry.
Sales say otherwise. Hellcats alone have sold over 30,000 and I heard that like a year or two ago. Challengers sell like hot cake
They only imported 12,000 SS's to the states. I would hope the dime a dozen slopars sold more. That doesn't make the boats any better. And mine is supercharged as well hellcaps are my favorite car to pick on.
@Johnny Torreto love your post! Glad I have one of those 12000!
one day i’ll get the chevy ss, i will find this video once i get this car. i know ill get it in a few years . currently 19 but i know damn well ill get it soon. WISH ME LUCK GUYS
🤯🤯🤯 the sound from that car is biblical. Awesome build, love the acid green accents on it. Everything just right. Congrats... Time to supercharge my 300SRT. Yup it's your fault lol!!
Haven't even watched the vid an im hitting the like button. Im getting this car next yr i love this car its soo slept on
They don't make them anymore Holden went bust
@@krazykangaroo43 i know they discontinued in 2017 getting a used one
@@marcelljackson2868 grab one if you can it will be a collector car one day
I swapped an LSA into my E3 GTS. Such an amazing motor 👌🏻
My bootleg ass regular Malibu is an amazing car. Good on gas, refuses to ever get stuck in the snow. Great reliability. Never mind the GM bells and whistles like the magnaride, heads up display, seats, brakes etc. What an awesome car ...stock, never mind the amazing stuff this guy did. Most underrated car around imho. I almost bought one with 30k miles, light green metallic paint job..it was a gem. But I couldnt afford the 50k price tag. They had like a 20$ off deal in the US when they were new.
Nice to see a little homegrown aussie muscle car on the show and last of the aussie muscle car.
Holden VF SS Commodore last of the aussie V8 muscle car, nice car and a big 👍 for changing the chevy badge to a Holden badge, we have the opposite over hear.
Given the selection of muscle cars in the USA and you choose the aussie family sedan is cool....👍👍
Ha! Yeah man. This is a pretty common car in Australia. Its just a great combination. Corvette V8, room for four adults, nice looking.
Surprised they didn’t do better here cause it’s a great car
@@AutotopiaLA and the bolt on parts options... crazy. Hey love the show too mate!
Best car ever! Glad I have one!
what year & model chevy is it? please inform me
@@Allretti i have a 2015 6spd
Chevy ss is a rare car in my area so every time I see one i fan girl sick car man
Rare here too. Very cool car
Much respect from Australia for putting the holden badge on it , in Australia every second holden commodore ( that's what the Chevy SS is called in Australia) has the Chevy badge on it , nothing wrong with that but it's good to see it go the other way , much respect to the USA for starting the whole muscle car thing
👍 Holdens for life! i have a '06 v8 ss ute a '17 colorado truck & a '11 sv6 wagon
The truck ain't from Holden
That's a beast 🔥🔥🔥
I did a ported LSA, CAM, E85, ect on my 17 SS auto. We are over a 100lbs lighter than the 2 door Demon and can have just as much power as the race tune. So fun to surprise people who think you have a FWD V6! I love 3rd gear, 3,500RPM pulls from 65-130.
I paid full price for mine but I waited for this car for two years before the manual finally came out and I’ve never regretted a minute of it.
Hell yeah SS baby !!
Too cool, super sleeper. Runs good!!!
The casual Alpina B7 at 6:24 😍... but I would still take this beautiful SS over that any day of the week! I've wanted one of these for a long time and this one is such perfect example of how I'd love to build it! Props to the owner!!
He did a great job and recently added even more power!
@@AutotopiaLA That's so ridiculous and I love it! 😆
I love the way that you swapped back to Holden badges.
i enjoyed the lady at 3:30 pissed off when he floored it haha
Hilarious😂😂
Your 41K BMW slayer. Looks like a lot of fun. And it's a family car to boot! Very nice looking car.
Costs less to run than a beemer too
@@hoonaticbloggs5402 Agree with you on that. And that blower whine is sooooo nice.
Man I love this car. Been following this guy on Instagram for a while. Such a bad ass car. I need a Chevy SS in my life...
The g8, the 2007 gto, this car, and the jaguar project 8 are some of my favorite platforms ever.
4 door customizable beauty
650 atw... Sleeper indeed!
Undeterred cars. Awesome episode! The Holdens are beasts
Not underrated, just highly priced. If it was as much as a regular sedan, you know chevy would be making sales
I don't need a supercar, I need this.
I hear ya!
Nasty....these cars are so overlooked.
They really are but this one got me looking
Australia’s 🇦🇺 finest muscle cars. 🖤💪🏻
Get a hsv gts badge and body kit nd this would be the best looking car in the US
my cousin has one of these things ..but he has the Holden version with the LSA .. great cars
These are really nice cars stock - the interior was pretty nice for the Cheby. They remind me of the Grand National back in the day idea - sleeper stock family daily. Nice build!
Holden Commodore SS - Built right here in South Australia. RIP Holden.
Thankyou VF HOLDEN and chev!! And even better in cornering just watch the bathhurst racing series in vf commodore racing form.. very quick car.
Wow this SS is well worth it Great Video Guys
It’s really cool! Surprised the hell outta me
Great video as usual! I love these cars, I couldn't grab a ss when they had them at the dealer. But I picked up the Caprice ppv. The lesser version of a SS. Really great car for the money, its truly hard to beat it for what it is. Thanks again.
Good deal. Ppv same platform, without modifying a future Collector Car with the SS sedan or CTS-V
Wicked grocery getter! Love how the motor sits in there he's right they race those in australia, good racing too...😎
9:17 That lady, lmao
I so love this car. I cant wait to own one. I'd be grateful to have one. What a ride for me to manifest. Yeah Boy!!!
It really blew me away and we almost never see them
Mate, It's a Holden Commordore! It's got the Holden lion emblem on it not the Chevy bow tie....but it does have the American running gear,
I love sleepers!
I love Holdens but they're a rarity here in Japan it would be cool to have one of these or a UTE here
Underrated af I didn’t even know that model existed
My sister had an SS for a while and it was hella fast!! Love that it's understated, but when you jump on it look out!! Awesome ride for sure!!👍👍
Way under rated and understated
Karen in the intro waving the car to slow down😳
Been following these cars since they came out in 2014. It's a shame they stopped making them. Have to find one in the near future.
Love that car. You would think that it would be way more popular than it is. I watched a video on these a year or so ago and it was stated that they did not advertise it much at all. This is one of the best bargains out there in my opinion for a sport luxury sedan.