Can Christians Be Involved In Greek Life? 🤔
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- Welcome to Our Life, Our Journey, Our Truth! In this thought-provoking video, we explore a controversial question: Can Christians Be Involved In Greek Life? Join us as we dive deep into the intersection of faith and fraternity/sorority culture and discuss different perspectives on whether or not Christians can navigate the social scene of Greek Life while staying true to their beliefs. Whether you're a student contemplating joining a Greek organization or simply curious about the relationship between Christianity and sororities/fraternities, this video is a must-watch.
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The problem with having an honest conversation about this topic is that people in the organizations will never talk about the rituals in a public forum. So you really can't have a real conversation because that would include having the ritual side-by-side with The Word and seeing how it lines up. The only ones who will cross that line are people who have denounced.
My thoughts Exactly!
Exactly
I’ve denounced and the rituals are online. Google them 😊
U must be involved. Matthew 6:24-26 The servant can only prioritize one or the other. They might be "loyal" in a sense, to both. Separate masters will command the servant in different, competing directions. As a result, the servant will naturally grow to hate, or despise one of the two, while growing to love & be devoted to the other. God doesn't have secrets. I'm glad it's been exposed, because the people that are in this needs to know the truth. And folk's have died in this mess. Family members, etc. And if you are in this Repent & get out. Your soul will be dangerous, dark in the tunnel of darkness forever.
We don't have to. It's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. It's fraternity/ sorority business. We are secret societies and there is nothing wrong with being a secret society. These religious zealots want to demonize these organizations on what they see and listen to on the Internet. Their interpretation of Scripture is not ours. Not for one moment I felt that my fraternal experience was practicing idolatry, or practicing witchcraft.
Idolatry is idolatry, God doesn’t compromise. As much as we dont like it, we need to denounce any form of agreement or fellowship with things that don’t align with what God SAYS and who God IS. We also need to be mindful that yes there are some positive things that can come from being in a society such as fraternity and sorority career wise , education wise, etc but please be educated on the origin and root of what you are representing proudly and not just what we are told and see on the surface . God bless you both
well said
Amen!!! I denounced DST in 2022. Many spiritual leaders are keeping themselves in bondage and leading others astray. They forget that they did bow down before another god (an alter) and signed their names into a covenant during the initiation process. We should only be in covenant with Jesus Christ. I crossed at the age of 19 and was very naive and ignorant to what was going on, but when you know better you have to come out from among them!
YES!!
Salute for stating the FACT!!!!
Well said! ❤
Thank you for having this conversation. Would you all consider fasting and praying to ask God if there is any deception that you all may have regarding pledging to these organizations? Would you all also consider opening up your ritual books and see if it lines up with the Word of God? Finally, would you all consider having a panel discussion with influencers who have a huge following, who were former members of these organizations?
That is it right there. Anything we want to know about ourselves and ask God to show anything that is not of his will, God will show you. You have to want to know the truth and be ready to let go whatever it is that is not God’s will. Their answers were worldly and not spiritual.
THIIISSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
Amen!! I just officially renounced Feb 6th, got my official exit letter. The issue with Greek life is the oaths, rituals, hymns, etc that were taken and performed to become a part of these secret society organizations. In Matt 5:33-37, God is very clear in his Word about taking oaths and they are only to be done unto God and God only. Everyone needs to seek God, and get clarity from Him because His Holy Spirit will tell you. And why did we kneel at an altar in the dark, with candles if this is not anything spiritual. Anytime one is at an altar, it is an interaction and covenant with a spiritual entity, the question is what spiritual entity?!?
Great Idea!
No they would not. They would lose their wealth.
Let GOD be true and every man a liar.
Amen❤
God didn’t tell me to denounce.
I wouldn’t follow a Greek pastor. That tells me that there is something you still don’t understand…
The comment section passed the vibe check! I'm so proud of us!🎉🎉🎉🎉 no more Idols!!!!
🙏🏾 amen
God didn’t tell me to denounce.
@@lancegolden8190 then this comment is not for you. I hope you're blessed
@@lancegolden8190However this is an forum open to the public and anyone kan komment on it. God didn't tell me to denounce/ renounce either.
This is leading people astray and is indicative of Isaiah 5:20-21, Proverbs 14:12, Romans 1:22, and 1 Corinthians 2:14. It’s also typical to call those who seek to separate from the world and truly follow The Lord as we are directed in 1 John 2:25-17, “legalistic.” Let’s be clear, Jesus said in Luke 6:46, “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?” Being in these organizations is idolatry whether one chooses to accept it or not. We give all glory to The Most High God that we (and many others) have come out deception in this area and have gladly and proudly renounced and denounced these orgs to truly follow Jesus (1 Peter 1:14 states, “As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance”). We pray anyone in these orgs will humble themselves, really seek The Lord, and thoroughly examine the rituals and the true root of these organizations because this is very serious and will not stand before The Most High GOD. We need to focus on how GOD views this, not culture, not feelings, and not selfish and vain desires.
Open your ritual book & read it to the church… we’ll see what the congregation thinks
THIS.
That Part!!! 🎯 🎯 🎯
Right!! As a former Delta, that ritual book is problematic!
Love it, LOL.
@@Pavielle will forever be problematic!
QUESTION 1: So being in a sorority, who do you pledge your allegiance to, and how does it line up with the word of God. QUESTION 2: What promises are you making to be apart of this group? No scriptures was provided so I'm wondering how God said that this is okay.
well said
@@mrodz65 thank you. they said they want a real conversation, but haven't seen any replies to people's questions, so hopefully they will begin to reach out soon.
So I guess you do not work? 😂😂😂 I have been a member of Kappa Alpha Psi for 24 years! And trust my relationship with God is still # 1 in my life!
Because they aren't ready for the Truth!!!@@companyemails4584
@williamsherrard2833 it is not about position. God doesn't want any false god or sin in His presence. God wants to BE THE ONLY. When you do service, it's jn the name of the orgination, the org gets the glory. Look at the vows you made. These orgs are not based on Christian principles. If is not a christian organization, should Christians be apart or in agreement or covenant with it? We have to really understand the scripture about it. If you are a member you vow to be a brother or sister to ALL the members. Even, if those members are not Christian. What does the word of God has to say about that.
God never gave me grace to pursue my interests in greek life. I realized I could do what I wanted to do for the community in His Name and not an organization…
That part.
It’s a good thing you didn’t. It opens up so many demonic doors
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Yes, I'm so grateful that he thwarted my plans.
@@sweetbabimeg22That’s your opinion. My frat is not demonic.
The focus is not on denouncing but pursuing holiness. As we mature in Christ - there are things that will fall off.
Delta's did bow down at an altar. Delta's do say this at initiation " you're taking upon yourself vows from which you can never be freed....they follow you to final judgement".
The Christian principles to join this idolatry cult is misleading.
VERY MISLEADING
This disturbed me. And he’s leading people at a church??
@@ChasityBrielleGod did not tell me to denounce.
I’m going say this, I don’t know of a divine nine I only know of the divine one and his name is Jesus Christ!
Amen my brother ❤
Amen!!!
Amen!
Amen
God did not tell me to denounce.
“Can two walk together, except they agree?” - Amos 3:3
Omega Psi Phi is associated with womanizing misogynists, violence, drinking, etc. But, somehow you’re okay being associated, no bound forever even into eternity (Omega Chapter), with Omega Psi Phi. How can sweet water and bitter water come from the same fountain? James 3:10
it is idolatry. all of these people publicly denouncing and renouncing their membership to D9 organizations and returning back to their first love God is not a coincidence. a prophetic word has already gone out that certain people in D9 organizations will pass away this year. every week I see via facebook that someone young and in a D9 organization has passed away. I urge you to ask God for yourselves and ask him for revelation about your
membership in the D9 before it’s too late.
Your opinion. God didn’t tell me to denounce.
It’s interesting that there were little to no scriptures to support their arguments. Our source of Truth is the Word of God; (”Thy word is true from the beginning: And every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.“
Psalm 119:160 KJV) It is not legalistic to follow God. God’s laws and instructions outline the way of truth that is meant to lead people to Him (Psalm 19:7; 119:30, 42-45; Malachi 2:6-7). This video is trying to justify compromise and attempts to distract us from our true standard who is Jesus. This serves as a good example of why it is critical to read the word for ourselves. ”Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high-sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.” Colossians 2:8. Trust God, trust His Word. Malachi 3:6 says, “I am the Lord, I change not.” Hebrews 13:8 says Jesus is the same “yesterday, today, and forever.” When everything else shifts and changes, you and I are still standing on a solid, unchanging foundation. Hebrews 7:24 says, But He [Jesus], because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
Not one line of scripture was read to support the stance presented. They should be judged by their fruit.
Exactly 💯 they gave nothing but their opinions, which can not stand against the word of God !
You both gave the people your "opinions". Where is 'the Word' to support 'your words'? I pledged Delta and I know bowing was definitely a requirement during the initiation process. I am praying for you both.🙏🏾
Right!! We bowed.
It is idolatry
Amen ❤
Entire time watching I’m considering the source. Most denouncing vids I’ve seen are from younger members. They seem to be more seasoned members that have probably been in their orgs for decades. When the Lord convicts them to break free, it’s going to be a mighty battle. Pray for them. 🙏🏾
So true. I’m 62 years old. The Holy Spirit warned me to get out in 1988. I was a “Legacy” and it was a stronghold. After a pattern of deaths and destruction,
I got the final warning and officially renounced this month. God is a jealous God. He is not tolerating idolatry anymore. They need to get out now before it’s too late.
Amen
Balance, normalcy, fun?
How about set apart?
Just a thought: Imagine saying the oaths and pledges that were proclaimed in front of Jesus. Exdelta here. I was young and did not know the word like I know now. Reading through the rituals had me repenting for ever aligning with the false god Minerva.
Children of the true God, Let no man or woman DECEIVE you. The first thing she said was she is a PROUD member of dst. How many times did the true and living God have to deal with proud leaders in error? Just ask the Holy Spirit to show you any areas of your life where you are proud or deceived - that's how to have a true relationship with the Heavenly Father. Our eternity DOES depend on this type of relationship with Him.
Signed an ex delta, a DAUGHTER of THE MOST HIGH GOD.
~Jesus 👑 is the only~ way🎉
Amen, sis in Christ! Signed another ex-Delta. 🙏🏾 You and I know what we said and did during the initiantion, ceremonies. 🥺 Thank God for His forgiveness, grace and mercy. 🙏🏾🙌🏾
I shuddered when she said that.........
As a DST member, you are in COVENANT with those who are against our God.
Therefore, how can you as a DST member effectively lead ppl away from the mystic crystal ball worship?
The covenant you are in condones their crystal ball worship.
In the DST ritual book -> other forms of "spirituality" are exalted as being permissible.
whew Lord...
There are wayyyyyy toooo many "I think" and "I feel" in this video which is not from God but self.
As believers we must never turn off our ability to check what we are hearing if what is being said to us is from God. There are many Bishops, Apostles, Pastors, Prophets, Teachers, Deacons, Ministers and false believers who are in social media and even in your church whom God either never called or has transgressed against God and he has rejected them, yet they still teach you every Sunday. Don’t let familiarity with them, deceive you any longer. Study the Bible and allow the Holy Spirit to lead and guide into all truths. If you hear something which is off from the scriptures, stick with the scriptures. Go with what the Father, the Holy Spirit and Jesus has said over what they say. There will be no excuse allowed in the day of judgement.
”Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.“
1 John 4:1 KJV
Deliberate Blindness!
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This is it right here.
I see nothing wrong with not denouncing my fraternity.
@@ahumbleservant4truthyour opinion, not mine. God did not tell me to denounce.
This video is so weak sauce and not reflective of Gods will for disciples of Jesus Christ.
Amen sister!
Say it louder for the people in the back, cry aloud, and spare not! 🔊
Your opinion, not mine. I see no problem with Greek organizations.
@@lancegolden8190 it is the LORDS opinion that matters.
This is soooooo sad that people are being led astray. They will be accountable for this misinformation and I pray for God's grace and revelation on this. I was once in one of these organizations I can tell you that it's spiritual and idolatry. Thank God for wisdom and revelation. Don't go by someone's opinion, google the rituals (which they don't address) and google the symbolism that they 'proudly' wear. It is a veil... but they are leading a church so there are higher expectations.
Yes and what I recently learned about the veil/symbol, is that it's strategically placed over their hearts. I pray they wake up.
Every Divine Nine member must bow down and kneel at a table dedicated to that fraternity or sorority. They verbally call it a table, but written down in the ritual it is called an “altar.” You are forced to bow down blind-folded before an altar. Altars have one purpose and one purpose only. They are dedicated to deities and are needed to help during the worship of those deities (gods). This is where sacrifices are offered up to their god or gods. If you are before the altar and there is no sacrifice, then you are the sacrifice. In Alpha there was food and drink that were dedicated to the gods. They literally say this during the ritual. When you take and eat the food and drink (sacraments), you are now in agreement or covenant with those pagan gods and principalities that are actually behind that fraternity/sorority. You also participate in chants and sing hymns that are dedicated solely to your organization. Chants and hymns original roots are found in religion, only. They exalt the org above all things. Some may say, aah, we do that but we really don’t mean it. Matthew 12:36 “But I tell you, on the day of judgment people will have to give an accounting for every careless or useless word they speak.”
You preaching good right now!!!!!
This
You won’t make me denounce my fraternity. God will have to tell me and he doesn’t tell me that.
@@lancegolden8190 don’t fight it brother. The very fact that you responded to this post proves that God is convicting you. We all must answer to Jesus Christ for the deeds and works that we produced in our body while on this earth. 2 Corinthians 5:10-11 says, "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.”
@@lancegolden8190 brother, which fraternity did you pledge?
I am not Greek so I just want clarification. Did you kneel at an alter and pledge all yourself to these organizations before you crossed over? Does your ritual books have bible scriptures altered to remove God's name to insert Greek god names?
Yes to your questions and not to mention the other ungodly activities that comes with being a part of a Greek organization. I renounced my letters last year. Just do a study on idolatry, demonic curses and covenants. It's not just Greek organizations, but any secret society organizations such as free masonry, eastern star, etc. I kept trying to defend it and give reasons why it was ok for me to be a part. One day the Holy Spirit asked me how am I praying for other people's deliverance and freedom when I was bound and in covenant with other gods?? The Holy Spirit will lead you into all truth.
That is exactly what the Word of God says!!! Amen.@@cynthiapittman5905
This person is not Greek stop lying for the internet.
Yes this is absolutely correct! And this is coming from an ex member of zeta phi beta. Don’t be deceived, they are deceived. Join me in praying for them 🙏🏿
YES to your questions, and this is from an ex-member of Delta Sigma Theta.
Hello Bishop, I hope all is well. First, I just want to say I appreciate you for providing balance to the conversation and I love to hear a topic like this from both angles (denounced vs. non denounced) and I can say that both sides provide a lot of good areas for dialogue. You are completely correct that we don’t have a Heaven or Hell to put anybody in so to be legalistic and judgemental is definitely not the way to go. This topic should be handled with care and really in involves looking at the root of all the D9 organizations and really see if it’s something our Father wants us doing as believers. As a believer, I do feel like it is good to have these conversations so that Greek vs. non Greek members can have a good understanding and that they take whatever their concern is to the Father ultimately to make a decision. As a previous member of Phi Beta Sigma, I can say that I looked at the organization as a whole to make a decision to denounce rather than individual base. No one in the organization made me feel inferior or disrespected (this does not include the hazing process prior to initiation which is completely against scripture and contradicting to those calling themselves believers), but truly made me feel welcomed (once I was initiated). The biggest thing that made me denounce was really looking at the root of the organization and seeing where the organizations got their influence from. Before I officially denounced, I started to notice that a lot of the rituals and practices (mention of Greek Gods, subtle twisting of scripture, etc.) that MY SPECIFIC PLEDGE CLASS had to partake in to OFFICIALLY join the organization were contradicting the very Holy scriptures that give doctrine, reproof and correction.
Note: I purposely said MY PLEDGE CLASS because I wasn’t involved in others, but I’ve heard a lot of similar stories of the initiation process of other D9 members.
Also, God brought the Children out of Egypt from a system that was heavily influenced in false God worship, and the Organization I pledged and made an oath to admits in the Centennial book that a lot of the ritual and practices of the organization are influenced by Kemetic(Egyptian) practices 🤔. Now to me, that brings about a huge concern and deserves to be looked into more. I could go on but I just wanted to provide some perspective to the conversation because I do feel like a True believer’s reason for denouncing are based on external research along with using the primary source (The Bible) to make a SOUND and not EMOTIONAL decision. Sorry for the long message, but this is a topic that is near to my heart. I love Gods people and I desire that we all have a True relationship with Him. Love you both and I pray that this conversation can continue and that we are all edified and can learn not just the good things these organizations can provide but that we also learn the root of where these organizations come from and what they are influenced by (FreeMasonry, ancient Egyptian practices, paying homage to Greek, Egyptian, and a Roman Deities, etc.) I pray that we seek to do what our Father ultimately requires of all his Children. Be Blessed you two 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽!!!
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Glory to God!! Thank You for your insight!!
Absolutely. I know it was a long message but I was hoping that it would at least reach one or two people.
How can yall profess Christ and proudly sit with false gods on your chests close to your hearts?Read your ritual books! I pray God removes the scales from your eyes. You will be held accountable for all you lead astray.
Thank you!!!
Right. We can see the false "goddess of wisdom" on the crest and chest while she talking. 🤦🏽🤷🏽 Jesus open their blind eyes that they won't perish. Humble their hearts So that their pride won't have to lead to destruction as it says in your word... And their oaths won't be brought up to them on judgment day as it says in their ritual book .
Yes and Amen!! The bishop said he preaches to 30k ppl, how scary is that? All the people he may be leading astray.
Absolutely. 👍🏿
I love Bishop Walker, but there’s no way around that these organizations pledge to Greek and Egyptian gods. And the Bible says we should not bow our needs to any God or worship any graven images. They’re not giving Bible on this matter they’re giving personal opinions and talking about the good of organizations but it’s not biblical.
You don’t know how to judge anyone. I’m not denouncing my fraternity.
A former Delta, La La Jenkins, shared a great revelation of the meaning of Christian principles as it relates to these organizations: all the D9 and Mason/Eastern organizations have altars, hymns, etc. It is important that we have a good understanding of what altars and hymns are and when Christians should use them.
The same sista that said God told her she would be married in 2023? 😂
I don't know what she said in regards to what you said, but the altars, hymns, prayers, and rituals are in these organizations and are not unto Jesus Christ. At the end of the day she is human and is subject to error, however, the truth is the truth.@@THE-BROTHERHOOD99
@@THE-BROTHERHOOD99right! Her motives are not pure to me! She does things for likes and views.
@THE-BROTHERHOOD99 Go back and listen to her update and testimony of deliverance. She publicly admitted she missed it and repented. We all can miss it. It takes humility to publicly repent.
You know you're in sin when you start calling people Pharisees 😂: how to avoid accountability chapter 1. Let's call other people legalistic because we know it's wrong but we are desensitized to it is what I'm hearing
No
well said
So religious that you lose sight of relationship? Wow. I’d encourage you to sit down, sober minded, and read what you said during your initiation rituals. Read the lyrics to some of the songs that are sung. Read the poems that are recited regularly. It’s demonic. It is not of God. We can’t be lukewarm. Either we’re for God or we’re against Him. There is no in between. You didn’t come with any evidence. Read the rituals and put them up against the Word. It doesn’t stand up.
Taking jabs at people to justify what is supposed to be currently addressed in this video is insane!
I will be praying for this couple and all of my loved ones in secret societies. I have never been a member, and I never wanted to be.
The thing about this video is that they don’t address the idolatry that does exist in these organizations.
Idolatry in public or private is wrong.
P.S. This beautiful couple in Christ Jesus is sincere, but they are sincerely wrong about the topic. 🙏🏽
We as Christians, myself included, can’t mix the holy with the profane.
Amen!!! 🎯 🎯 🎯
This is so sad😞
While this was painful to watch, I once was deceived as well. I pray you and all watching seek and know God for yourself, ask God to reveal to if these organizations are of Him. You can’t be in covenant with God and the deity/greek god of your organization. I pray your hearts be softened and the veil is removed from your hearts. 🙏🏾
When I was in college I saw all the vile initiations that these groups were involved in. Also, they pledge allegiance to greek symbols along with chanting stuff that's not of God. To each their own but it's similar to a cult or boulé in my experience.
Sorry, Christ's Church should be the only service organization that Belivers should belong to. Delta Sigma Theta twists 1 Corinthinians 13 to fool pledges into believing that they are pledging an oath to God. DST pledges all of their love to Delta? The beginning of this video it was stated about what You believe or how you see things. My question is what does God see and believe?
and Delta is Minerva which is the god over the organization. I denounced in 2022!! Praise God!!
AMEN!
The people who wilfully follow this couple can never say they never knew.
So basically don't denounce anything just live lawless...and calling out any sin is hypocritical...smh
Right!!!
That part!!!
Do you but don't condemn others who won't follow you... that cultish behavior
Definition of DIVINE: "of, from, or like God or a god."
Bishop and wife, have given their allegiance to organizations that refer to themselves as the "divine 9". Our living God is not in that, yall are following the small g's, therefore you are participating in idolatry. Don't call people who have denounced hypocrites, instead ask God for revelation on your participation in these groups and what that means for you as a Christian leader.
If they don’t repent, this same video will be replayed before the Bishop and First Lady during Judgement in front of Christ Himself. Repent today before it’s too late. Ezekiel 3:18 “When I say to the wicked, ‘You will certainly die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to tell him to turn from his wicked way to save his life, that same evil man will die in his sin, but you will be responsible for his blood.”
Wow😢 Every knee shall bow; Philippians 2:10-11 KJV
Covenants, oaths, hymn and swearing in with the Bible on your knees in front of an altar. I have no words.
Joining any organization that requires you to have a proxy god such as Minerva for Delta is idolatry even if the people teaching on it are pastors and seem pleasant. We cannot serve two masters (Matthew 6:24). It’s impossible. If you’re deciding on whether to join earnestly seek God from a neutral position (Proverbs 3:5-6, Jeremiah 29:13, Psalm 119:105). Look up Dr. Charles Stanley’s sermon how to find the will of God here on YT. He gives practical advice from scripture to guide you.
And a tip on identifying teaching that goes against the Lord and His Word, i.e. false teaching, is to test the spirit. Essentially see if what they say lines up with what God says and then no matter how much it costs you choose to follow God. Jesus died so we could walk in freedom (Galatians 5:1). Church size, sincerity, preaching, smiles, being pleasant are not a test of truth only truth is a test of Truth and that Truth is God’s Word alone.
Don’t compare the pledge to the flag to pledging to these organizations… it’s def not the same thing and I think you know that
Right, that was a weak comparison! 💯
I thank GOD for being GOD! The Bible speaks about false prophets and teachings! We must study and do our own research, I desired to join a D9 at one time but because of my spiritual beliefs I could not, this is a watered down conversation. When he made the comment don’t give us a dissertation in the comments let’s you know that they know better but choose not to do better! Let’s talk about the idol gods lower case g that you have pledged to. You can do community service without paying to be apart of an organization and without doing rituals. It’s very demonic. I’m not condemning anyone to hell because we make mistakes but when you know better we should try to do better! Men and woman of God who are leaders in the church are held to higher standards, just be careful!!
The Deltas have the Roman goddess Minerva on their crest (shield). The Omegas I believe are married to Minerva. Their god is Anubis. This is why the two are one. They are both linked to Minerva. Minerva is not a myth. She is actually a living pagan goddess, a fallen angel, a demon and a principality that have defiled your life as a professed Christian. All Members of the Divine Nine all go through the same ritual: you kneel at the altar (table) blinfolded before the spirit behind those Greek letters, you eat and or drink confirming the covenant you have now just entered into, and at some point blaspheme the true and living God when the organization read to you Bible verses mingled with words uplifting your fraternity or sorority. The minute you have entered into the ritual process you have entered into a covenant (relationship) with Satan. The organizations do good work in the community, but by then Satan has already defiled you. The problem is the rituals themselves, not the work that they do. And the work that you do is in the name of your organization, so God never gets the glory, Delta or Omega does. Every single BGLO is rooted in Freemasonry. This is where you all get your rituals from. This is where you get your secret handshakes, rap of admissions, etc. from. You're all Freemasons and don't even know it.
These organizations all are religious entities. These fraternities and sororities all have their own hymns, chants, altars, worship (i.e. We greet thee O Delta Sigma Theta), praise dances (i.e. step routines), gathering spots (i.e. chapter, district, region, and annual meetings or conclaves or whatever you call them), alms-giving (i.e. chapter and national dues), services for dead members that enter into their chapter of rest as if you can arrogantly take your organization into the afterlife and present it in the presence of the Lord, God Almight himself, etc.
You are cursed and hellbound unless you renounce and denounce your organizations today. While you have a church, doing good works in your church, shout the name of Jesus, etc. you are cursed and the Lord is not with you. - Matthew 7:21-23.
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If they don’t repent, this same video will be replayed before the Bishop and First Lady during Judgement in front of Christ Himself. Repent today before it’s too late. Ezekiel 3:18 “When I say to the wicked, ‘You will certainly die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to tell him to turn from his wicked way to save his life, that same evil man will die in his sin, but you will be responsible for his blood.”
You two, “ Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.” 2 Tim. 3:5
Amen 💯 🎯 🎯 🎯
No you can't. Period!
I am here to genuinely and truthfully speak of my experience . I will leave it to Holy Spirit to speak and guide each individual as they truly seek the Lord for guidance. My husband and I are deliverance ministers and have long believed and prayed for the church’s eyes to be opened on this topic. We were praying for a young lady that had denounced a Greek letter organization she was in. This young lady had a tattoo on her back. We have been trained to know that every tattoo Carrie’s a demonic power no matter what it says. As we prayed for her the spirit confessed that the tattoo carried a certain number of powers. The spirit confessed that the tattoo represented sisterhood. We did not know at the time what the number meant. As we continued to pray and labor with her one of the Intercessors was shown by Holy Spirit that the number represented each line sister. When the young lady became aware we asked her how many line sisters she had and it was the exact number given by the evil spirit. There was a power for every line sister that was on her line. It’s not a game! Unfortunately we had to embrace the true African church to learn and be trained . The American church is not teaching the truth about so many things. Witchcraft and secret societies are synonymous and go hand in hand. There is no balance to be brought, or no fun to be had in any of it. As for Santa, God showed me when my now 27 year old was 6 to stop the lies with that. He told me to look closely and as I did I noticed that “Santa” and “Satan” are the same letters!! The Lord said to me when she finds out the truth it will cause her to question if the God that she cannot see is real. We stopped and had 5 children after her. We have told all of them that Santa is not real and we do no Santa pictures. We embrace any ounce of truth that Holy Spirit reveals to us. He is the Spirit of TRUTH! He is not interested in us having fun but living and walking in TRUTH. When we learn better we do better. Blessings to all!!
It is Idolatry. Please compare your rituals to the word of God. All the D nine bowed or kneeled at an altar and pledged an oath, sang Hymns, and promised to serve the org for life. Please seek the Lord with your whole heart and with humility and not man.
Come on yall? Really don’t lead the ppl dem astray. Seek the face of God….really. Please….
Hi. Just some food for thought: I was a new Christian when I was thinking of joining a frat in college. At that time the Lord said to me, "You can't have brotherhood without Fatherhood." I said "Wow" and never again considered joining. As time passed, I spoke to other Christians who said they joined because of service, so they could help improve their communities and for the betterment of society as a whole. Not to mention creating a family bond with other like-minded individuals. Then, and still now, I ask, "But isn't that what the church is for?" Only difference is, the church gives all credit and glory to God, in the name of Jesus. Frats and sororities take the credit and glory for themselves, all in the name of frats and sororities. Just think about that.
Amen ❤
Well said. 🙏🏾
Well said!!
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I don’t share your viewpoint and God did not tell me to denounce my fraternity.
You both have been deceived and are leading others in your deception. I pray that the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth to you both.
You are arrogant to pray for them to agree with your views. I see nothing wrong or evil with me being a fraternity member. Don’t pray for me to denounce. God didn’t tell me to denounce.
@@lancegolden8190 My prayer was not that they agree with my views. My prayer was the Holy Spirit will reveal the truth to them. My views or anyone else's view doesn't matter when it comes to the truth of God's Word. Freemasonry/Fraternities/ Sororities are ALL idolatry that leads to false worship. The rituals that they partake in and the oaths they take are NOT biblical. Test what they do against the Holy Bible and not your views or feelings.
Sis brother I hear what you are saying. If a part of it is idolatry it still idolatry. We can make it fit what we want it to fit. God is not in Greek life. I have been a part and there are rituals. Let’s just be real. Sis said I am a proud member of DST. The organization is what it is. Same with all the Divine 9. These are not Christian organizations and we have to admit this. They were not founded on Christian values but works. None of it will enhance your relationship with God.
Girls Scouts is an organization for children and they have rituals. .do/would you support it?
My personal belief is maybe if the Greek letter organizations did not do positive things for the community you would make a valid point about the rituals and it having no substance but rather a distraction. I agree with bishop and First Lady as with anything you should check yourself before joining on why you want to in the first place.
If you want to “belong” to something you are doing it for the wrong reason. If you are joining for sisterhood, betterment of the community, and to be an inspiration for generations to come I don’t see the issue until you start neglecting God.
And I don’t mean any harm but bishop is apart of an organization and I can say is a DEVOTED man of CHRIST! If not in a church, somewhere preaching the gospel more than a person “denouncing” organizations.
Just my unasked for opinion 🙏🏾
I understand this is a hard topic for most. But when you have been apart and have seen what goes on, there is no way you can be a part. To each it’s own. But for me, I made I choice to leave. I don’t need any of that to have sisterhood nor serve my community. There is lots of information on why one would denounce these organizations on google. People have shared their stories. I personally just chosen not continue down that path. It has nothing to do with being religious. God holds you accountable for the knowledge you have.
Greek Organizations are definitely satanic and not of God.. When a true believer joins these groups they bring a curse on their lives and they open themselves up to being used by the enemy.. The rituals alone are rooted in idolatry.. This type of video coming from Pastors in the Church is so sad because so many will be mislead.. This is the blind leading the blind... You can't serve two masters...
I agree with you totally it is Idolatry.
Let's Not twist it They are telling you the word and it is clear it is idolatry. So let's repeat and Denounce. Don't be deceived .
My question is, aren’t there oaths and/or pledges that are taken to be a part of these societies? Are these oaths/pledges made to the one, true God? It seems like you are serving two masters which Jesus said you can’t do! Just asking…
They said they want a real conversation, I just asked this question, so I would love to see their response.
During my pledging process I was instructed to bow my head to "Delta" every time the name was said. What would be your response to this practice?
We had a young lady come our platform to denounce her affiliation with Delta Sigma Theta and the deal breaker was the oath and rituals. We also had a believer come on a couple weeks later to give the other side of being a Christian and being an active member of a D-9. If you're not going to be open enough to address the oath and rituals attached to joining these organizations then the conversation can't really be genuine. The oath and rituals is what makes it a covenant. I respect Bishop, I went to his church for years while at TSU years ago but real is real.
Do you take vows and obligations from which you can never be freed? Do you take vows that will follow you to the Final Judgment?
That’s straight out of the Delta Sigma Theta handbook she can’t deny it!!!
It sure is…..I don’t understand what the point is in going through all of that just to be apart of an organization! I had been interested in joining a BGLO. But when I inquired about the rituals NO ONE gave me a straight answer. So I googled it and when I saw the twisting of Scripture, I immediately changed my mind about pursuing membership….like I said IT DOES NOT TAKE ALL OF THAT!!!
What are the Christian principles? Please let the people know?……
Right! There are no christian principles. They twisted scriptures, exchanged the Lord's name for their organization, deities, Minerva, Alpha, etc.
Blind shepherds lead to dead and dying sheep.
Smart shepherds they are. Some of us think denouncing is foolish.
@@lancegolden8190 Feelings and personal beliefs feed the spread of Idolatry.
@@glitteringfollies Denouncing your organization because you think Greeks ate evil is foolishness.😂😂😂
@@glitteringfollies I being in a Greek organization is not idolatry. There’s a lot of ignorance on here.
Saying you don't value the organization more than Christ doesn't make it acceptable. The Lord commands we have no other gods in His presence; that means don't bring it around him at all 🙅🏽♀️
If you're in covenant with them you're not in one with God.
You both are deceived. Come out from among evil.
Amen!! They're carnal, totally deceived, making excuses to stay in these demonic organizations. I pray for the souls that they're misleading.😢
A person of the light does not want to see the side of darkness. Your argument is weak! Our kids are still normal and not confused
As believers, we are called to deny ourselves, and we are not abnormal for laying down idols! We are just called out and set apart. Also, there is no better way to serve than as a "member" of the body of set apart believers!
The short answer is "NO." Justifying it doesn't make it align with the Bible. Taking pledges, oaths, and taking part in initiations doesn't align with the Word. Just because you try and make it sound nice and manipulate the Word, doesn't make it right, sorry sir ma'am. You're misleading people to make yourselves feel ok with it. Don't be wolves in sheeps clothing on this topic. Denounce, and come out of that.
Not only misleading, but leading to Hell Fire for eternity. They don’t even realize it, but they have blood on their hands until they repent and come out. Ezekiel 3:18 “When I say to the wicked, ‘You will certainly die,' and you do not warn him or speak out to tell him to turn from his wicked way to save his life, that same evil man will die in his sin, but you will be responsible for his blood.”
Trust it’s intentional. They know exactly what they’re a part of. A proud member they say “pride comes before the fall.”
Amen Amen Amen! I proudly denounced and renounced and I’m telling you God the Most High confirmed this after prayer, fasting and showed me in a dream. When I tell you I was saying I denounce as I woke up out of it. I just tell people they don’t have to believe me. Just pray and pray some more, fast, read your Bible and Jesus will show you the truth. Many just want to hold on to worldly things. We cannot serve two masters period!
@@QedoshimHas anyone ever gone to hell after death and come back to confirm its existence? No. So I won’t denounce. I don’t believe you have to denounce. . If God wanted me to denounce he or she would tell me itself. Bye.
@@QedoshimYou don’t know who is going to hell or heaven
Thank you both for addressing this!
Look I respect my elders and I love that you both are passionate about our community So, I have a real question and I hope you see this. IF Jesus asked you to sacrifice your membership, status, and relationships would you? I can say a lot more but I will keep is at this because this is one of the most important questions as we walk with Christ. "God am I willing to die to my way for your life?"
That’s applicable to all of us and is a requirement for this Christian walk. Jesus said, “if any man wants to follow Me he must first deny himself, take up his cross and follow Me.” Many of us aren’t willing to deny what we want for what He wants…
@@spekialcay1 you’re certainly right! I bring it up because it’s part of my testimony. There’s a sense of fear that comes over you when you realize the decision you have to make but a boldness to at comes from the Holy spirit. For me it was to make my calls to and tell this org “hey I will not be pledging … because there are discrepancies with my faith and If I pledge I would knowingly be in error with Jesus.” So thats my question to folks who claim Jesus in D9 because I can argue that they are not built on Christian principles as they claim to be.
Knowing and ignoring!
Really sad
You both have lost your minds😂 Stop It! Get Out!
No they haven’t. God told me they are right. God did not tell me to Denounce.
Hazing, building alters for the initiation process, taking oaths to the spirit of your Greek org, participating in rituals that mock the communion we take in remembrance of Jesus and much more are not Biblical nor are they of God.
Delta shows veneration to Minerva.
Omega’s literally remixed scripture in their initiation process to show veneration to the spirit of Omega.
I would encourage you to go through your initiation process/vows/oaths and compare it to what scripture says.
A lot of the Christians in these organizations have set up idols in their hearts and lack spiritual discernment to see that they’ve been handed over to a depraved mind.
My prayer is that EVERYONE seeks the Lord in spirit and in truth concerning this matter. God is bringing His righteous judgement against these Greek organizations and also pastors/leaders in the church who exalt their letters above God. You cannot serve 2 masters.
Pick one.
May the Lord have mercy on us all🙏🏾❤️.
I wonder if you really took the time to ask God if you should be in these organizations. Ask God to show you what the problem is with these organizations…. Humble yourselves and allow Him to show you. I will pray that you both realize sooner than later that God is not apart of these organizations.
I’m praying for the church!!
If you leave the organization you will lose your church, your money and your influence. Your gods are money and power. Boule
That Part!!! 🎯 🎯 🎯
EXACTLY 💯 😮
No they wont
Absolutely NOT! These orgs are indeed idolatry. Maybe you’ve forgotten the rituals you participated in which you made oaths and vows to a false god. Anyone in a BGLO has made a covenant with Satan, although it’s very deceptive. I know because I was a member of DST. Even if I didn’t idolize anything else, simply the fact that I dedicated my life to the org is wrong. God told me to get out and I did.
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I've spent over 2 hours reading every entry in this comment section. Allow me to say this: GET INTO THE WORD! The grass withers and the flower fades, but the Word of God will stand forever (Isaiah 40:8). In a recent edition of a local Black newspaper, a well learned man ("theologian") defended his membership and participation in a D9 organization. Just like the Walkers, no scripture. We shouldn't preach and teach our own opinions but what thus says the Lord. It took me 36 years to see the light (I renounced in July of 2019) but I thank and praise God continually for His freedom and deliverance. Open our eyes, Lord, we want to see Jesus. Open their eyes, Lord, they need to see Jesus.
Woooowww!! I look at this “Bishop” completely different now. SMH
Let’s see how long God allow you to continue to preach to those 30 thousand members.
God will not be mocked, and will not allow His children to be led astray.
If you don’t repent you will pay for this... the pride is unnerving.
My heart breaks to see this... I continue to say that God is using the millennial generation to correct the mistakes of generation X in this hour.
Gen X has allowed Satan into the church over the past couple of decades now God is using the millennials to speak truth to the prosperity gospel and its prideful teachers.
Perhaps many of them should have left their degrees where they found them, because many of these teachers lean a lot on knowledge instead of the faith, which that sounds a lot like the Pharisees.
The fact that you claimed to be a theologian and use no scripture to back up your argument is quite telling. Again, SMH.
LORD have mercy on us all.🥲
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Y’all all wolves in sheep clothing that have taken off your clothing. If the organization is rooted in Greek god philosophy and you pledge to serve a god other than God, it is wrong!!
Satan always disguises himself in things that can be perceived to be right or righteous. It does not matter what other things people do, if you know something is wrong and not if God don’t do it.
Shame on you guys speaking in the name of Jesus
The Bible is clear and states that you can not serve two masters, for you will love one and hate the other.
The delta songs all point to delta not to Jesus, all the scriptures they took from the Bible to point to Christ points to themselves.
Delta and all other greek organizations are rooted in greek gods and goddesses and are tied to such, even when you all started the video, you introduced yourself as a members of greek organizations and titles, Dr. So and so, bishop, member of greek letters organization
The Bible is clear.
Everything is a process you don't denounce and renounce all at one time, there is a process to everything in life.
It's just seems like a lot of mixing. When you come into the truth you are suppose to do better. Have fun of course but don't compromise yourself,.
As a graduate of and Hbcu the Greek culture gave them a sense of identity that’s why they joined. Most of my friends were deltas and the literally said that were GDI or a regular person for like a year of college and they all sit around talking about how long it took them to actually become “someone” so they all fine identity in it and are “proud”
I appreciate you both for having this conversation. I have friends and family in these orgs and from what I can see I would disagree about your points on legalism. While I never told anyone my “Why” shoot I even lied about my why just to keep in close to my chest…I had the right reasons for joining, to continue serving my community-something I grew up doing as a young kid. I dont get what is so legalistic about putting the bible in today’s context if God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow?
Less than 2 minutes in and: "The Bible doesn't say anything about 'greek letter' organizations".............
Well, not SPECIFICALLY by that SPECIFIC name, BUT.........
Slippery, sssslippery, sssssslippery slope!!!!!! Like in the GARDEN!!!!
They are compromised
Hazing🤔😒 there is no balance in that.
Sounds like you all are making excuses for your idols. That’s frightening to me!
They are making excuses!!
Using tools of incompetence, building roads to…… no where good 😢
I knew when she said they would be “sharing their truth” things were gonna go left.
Exactly!! 💯 🎯 🎯 🎯
What’s frightening to me is the Bible thumpers telling me my fraternity in evil.Im not denouncing because God didn’t tell me to do that!
Dirty Money combined with Doctrine of The World is something I will take a pass! Dare not this couple state their viewpoints on the Alphabet Mafia!
May I ask that you read 2 Kings 20-23. Holy Spirit had me do an in depth study on 8 year old King Josiah who was made King because all the ones prior to him kept honoring false gods but Josiah came into Kingship and went so deep into ridding of any & everything that belonged to the false gods that he even burned up the dishes that were used to serve the false gods… and God was PLEASED with King Josiah because of this. But you truly believe God is pleased with us wearing false gods on our outfits and honoring them?… make it make sense. 1Corinthians 10:20-21 calls false gods DEMONS… and this is new testament since you mentioned that we like to address concerns with antiquated scripture. But, the word says that He is the same yesterday, today, and forever… so how exactly are we “addressing modern concerns with antiquated understandings of scripture”? Well, Bishop, since you’re “a theologian who studies scripture beyond just the surface,” what’s your take on the first commandment, saying “Thou shall have no other god before me…” and D9 being associated with false gods? Anubis for Omega’s and Minerva for Delta’s were actual deities who were worshipped and should not be simplified into Santa Claus and the easter bunny. So would it be ok if Baphomet, Baal, Buddha, or Satan were the false god on the crest and associated with your organization? Please answer this, I really want to know. Then Mrs. Walker said we are to take care of our temple but she’s wearing a demon (false goddess Minerva) on hers right now.
You say we are religious, legalistic, and Pharasitical in our approach when we are the ones providing clear scripture. All I ask is that you do the same, especially since you say we’re taking it out of context. Well, show us the context! Your video had NO biblical references to teach us anything but was based on opinion and comparisons of things that were out of context to the subject matter. Let’s stay on subject and have a genuine discussion comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 1Corinthians 2:13
I provided a plethora of scripture and also information from inside the ritual books (including page numbers to turn to so people could read it for themselves) in my Delta denouncement video to support everything the Holy Spirit revealed to me (false gods, the witchcraft, etc.). I’d love if you’d watch my video and then we have an open dialogue about how you perceive things have been taken out of context. Are you open to that?
So well stated and congratulations to you for being obedient to The Lord and denouncing.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen either of the two reply to anyone's comment, so I don't think they were ready to have a true discussion.
@@Godslight1970s thank you! I’m grateful God revealed the truth of His living Word to me. Their silence speaks volumes.
Y’all can make a good argument of why it’s not wrong to live unrighteously if you decide from time to time.
Hi Mr. And Ms. Steph, I am a young man and leader in my community. I love Acts 17 because paul is talking to people who are ignorant about their idolatry, even calling them religious and telling them that God is not worshiped with men’s hands (good works). So, While I love to serve my community, would you agree that Acts 17 tells us that good works is not the end all be all; as far as religiousness, is it fair to say that the rituals performed by D9 organizations are well, religious? Lastly, don’t you find it fitting that he is speaking to greeks in this chapter?
What's so concerning about you and your wife's opinions is that you're actually condemning those who've been convicted, came under obedience to The Lord and denounced their allegiance to said organizations. You compared them to pharisees and made it sound as if they're all babies in Christ, when that's simply not true. Everyone comes to an understanding and yields to The Holy Spirit's convictions in their own time. No need to compare these corageous people to happy hour goers holding up Heinekens and other insults you made.
Bishop, you were very insulting all around and you and your wife are coming across as very defensive, just like like the wordly "Greek" community does when a man or woman of God denounces.
I pray you both open your eyes and hearts.
That's my "dissertation" that you probably won't read.
🎯Great observation! 🙌🏾
@@EricaGoingsThank you much 🙏🏾🙌🏾
He’s not condemning anyone. They are just representing people like me who think denouncing a foolish. I have no fear of being thrown in hell for not denouncing my fraternity. .
Very defensive.
@@MyAccountForCommenting I’m not intending to be defensive. I’m just trying to present a different point of view than most on this thread. Please don’t be offended.
Why is it a secret? Why is there an altar? Why is it done in darkness? Deception. Deception. Deception
It makes me feel good that most of the comments made are from people that are not being fooled by the foolishness these people speak.
I'll pray for them! They are definitely deceived, making excuses to remain in these demonic organizations
@@heruniquestyle8406Don’t pray for me to agree with you. God didn’t tell me to denounce.
@@heruniquestyle8406My fraternity is not demonic. God did not tell me to Denounce.
@@heruniquestyle8406When did God make you my judge?
@lancegolden8190 I have not personally judged you or anyone else. The word of God has already passed judgment. I stand on the word, not my opinion, and I don't apologize! (1 Corinthians 10:20-22, Matthew 6:24, Exodus 20:3-5)
Pray and allow the Holy Spirit to lead you. I boldly stand on the word, and I am finished with this discussion!
Listen to Bishop every week via UA-cam and will continue to listen But I am soooooo disappointed in what I just heard need more time to process this nonsense sounds like a whole lot of compromising just to satisfy allegiance to a organization.
You said it my brotha! I would question what he says going forward about the word of God unless you fact check it with the Bible. He is a wolf in sheeps clothing. Satan is clever
Exactly 💯, a whole lot of compromising! We can only serve one master!
process it through prayer, fasting & the Word📖!!
Great episode Dr.Steph and Bishop Walker. I🙏🏾you both have a blessed week. Until next Friday. Be blessed🙏🏾🙏🏾
I’d be curious as to hear y’all thoughts on the verse people use to support denouncing
Mark 7:7, 2 Corinthians 16:16-17, Colossians 3:5, Isaiah 45:20-24, 1 Corinthians 13, Ezekiel 22:26
Wow. Compromise at its finest. Its idolotry. You took an oath & a vow, the bible clearly speaks to this. directly against it. Its all in the ritual, the bowing down, the chants, the lifting up of your soul, the allegiancy, the fear, the c secrecy, it goes on & on. This is why these organizations are dedicated to secrecy.