Passenger Hurt as Another Boeing Plunges at Ground
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- Опубліковано 18 тра 2024
- Early reports on a Boeing 787 plunging toward Earth.
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Jeez, I really wish their whistle blowers would stop dying.
Such curious bad luck, no?
Everybody dies, eventually. . .
@@dewiz9596 especially if they are a Boeing whistleblower
@@dewiz9596 Exactly. Whistleblowers just do it faster.
And here is a prime example of a mindless sheep who believes everything the mainstream media shovels down their throat
I can't imagine a pilot going back to the cabin and telling passengers "Man, I don't know what happened. All the instruments just went blank all of a sudden." That is obviously BS.
Maybe he knew he fucked up and was trying to cover for it. I wouldn't completely dismiss someone who was actually on the plane
Suppose if even the primary gauges went blank, you have secondary standby gauges that you can then use to navigate. It's not like the pilots of the 787 don't know how to fly and resolve blank display issues. They'll have been trained to deal with such situations so I'm sorry but I'm not buying that statement at all
I'm a Captain at the same outfit as Kelsey, and I agree that this a utter BS!
@@frankiebhoyz2169 Yeah.. right... According to avherald who quoted a preliminary report the incident happened ~4pm NZ time. The plane apparently landed on 4:26pm NZ time. So there is a pretty good chance the CVR has recorded everything that happened in the cockpit at that time. Why the heck would a pilot try to cover their butt by telling a random passenger "uhm... all intruments went black"?! That makes absolutely no sense.
@@KarmaFlightbut this is the second time Boeing 787 nosedives. The first time was in Dubai a year ago 787- 8 variant . They say it was pilot mistake back then. The second pilot was plunging the plane to the Arabic sea
It's so refreshing to have someone like you out there sticking to facts reason and logic and not social media hype and clickbaits.
except he clickbaited the title and said it nosed down and plunged down to earth. when thats not facts at all and is entirely hype and clickbait
@@C0mmanderX The only part that's misleading is the 'boeing' part, implying it's about another plane manufacturing fault.
What facts did he present? Zero just per speculation of the incident. This guy is a Mega Karen crying about a deleted post
@@C0mmanderX Nah. He simply repeated what's being said in legacy media... to make the point about misinfo.
@@hansgruber2509 Actually he presented several facts that discount the tik-tokker's pure speculation. 1-It takes a lot of force to disengage the ap with yoke movement, not just a bump. 2-You can't suddenly ram the seat forward with no time to react, the seats move quite slowly with plenty of time to move or even stop/reverse it. 3-Instruments going blank, by itself, does not cause the plane to plummet toward the ground. And more...
I have a son that flies a heavy for the Air Force. He is probably leaving for the airlines in the near future. I have not only enjoyed your channel, but have learned so much, without asking my son a million questions every time we talk! Thank you for being a sane and humorous voice as a commercial heavy pilot.
Thank you for being the amazing parent you are! You may not know it, but I’m sure your son enjoys talking to you about this stuff because you can understand him.
When Kelsey brings out the food scenarios, you know he's dead serious!
Fluffy side of life, lol
Its all a big cover up- the pilot was tired of waiting for a snack, he nosed down to get the snack cart to the cockpit
Captain of “Snacks Air” for sure
You mean SNACKS?!
Don't get between a Pilot and the Snacks
"Dying of sunburn and lack of snacks."
I think that is the most pilot thing I've ever heard! 😂 I freaking love this community. Lol
😂😂😂🤙🏼✌🏼
I grew up poor in Florida, I almost died of sunburn and lack of snacks everyday.
This is also my biggest fear and I'm not a pilot.
Snacks are the blood of life. 😂
You, sir, just listed my worse case scenario of dying. Laying on the desert floor, dying of sunburn, and definitely no snacks. You're the greatest. Keep up the good work.
As a former professional pilot (recently retired), one thing that could cause the nose dive is a trim malfunction. The airplane is trimmed nose down due to a malfunction and then the autopilot kicks off. When the autopilot kicks off there will be an abrupt pitch down. So there's one explanation for ya.
Sadly not an aviator but an aviation enthusiast in a flight company for the U.S. ARMY…. This is what I was actually thinking as well. I’ve read up on incidents involving trim malfunctions, and this explanation makes sense
but trim is very slow
Now we know why you are a former professional pilot.
@@bluefluke7585 No accidents or incidents in 30 years as a pro, so hope that's good enough for ya. Not that I haven't made any mistakes in my career, but thankfully nothing serious.
@@bluefluke7585Why would you say that to someone that you don’t know anything about? Just being a troll?
As a passenger, I only unlock the seat belt when the warning light is off and I'm standing to go to the bathroom. Upon return, I fasten the seat belt again.
Me too
Same. All those stories of people getting sucked out are scary as hell. 😨
@@scbtripwire I initially read that as sucked off, couldn't think of why that would be scary.
Boeing aside, people disregarding the instructions and getting up waiting standing for the stairs for 15 minutes while we're still moving, is very annoying and dangerous.
Same here. I'm to old to be bouncing off the ceiling.
The part about the Captain coming back and telling passengers he lost all his instruments really strains the far reaches of credulity.
Aside the fact that a temporary loss of flight instruments would not make the aircraft respond in any way, the very LAST thing any airline captain would do if such a thing were to occur would be to get out of his seat and go back and tell all the passengers about it!!
@gregfaris6959
Considering how easily offended some of the younger generations are, and how noisily they announce it to anyone in sight, such a situation is not unimaginable in the future.
@@jerryw6577Generation complaints aside (keep in mind we’re mostly too young to fly airline yet), I’d like to believe that those who make it far enough to be an airline pilot would learn the professionalism to not do that in this situation
Airbus had that problem on the A330 when it first debuted and it turned out to be a software issue (the computer started compiling at a certain time) and they did not dive or crash.
@@jerryw6577 be bitter because things are changing and you dont understand it. part of the problem is old people believing a whole generation is somehow incapable
Yeah I kinda didn't believe that bit either.
Deleting content or comments makes you look bad 100% of the time, doesn't matter what your reasoning was! Glad you called them out for it.
So hate speech and threats shouldn't be deleted?
What about dangerous misinformation? Unverifiable information?
I didn't look to see what Kelsey's bio shows, but it can be hard to prove a comment is from an authentic acct and not a rando.
@@jonathanbott87 i think the point is if people delete something and pretend it didnt happen then it is sus. if like youtube or something removes it yeah it should obv be removed. (especially considering the hanous shit that is left up on this platform, so if it was removed it must be particularly agregious.)
I am a GA guy too. I’m a private pilot with about 1100 hours I am by no means qualified to even comment on any of the highly complex systems in any commercial aircraft. I can explain the physics behind how planes work all day long, because for the most part whether it’s a Cessna 172 or an A380 the physics is the same lift is always lift drag is always drag, etc. but that’s about as far as my understanding of big commercial jets goes… that being said if you asked me to guess what happened, moving a tray into the yoke accidentally by pressing a button on the seat would certainly not be one of the things I would come up with. I have no idea where this guy came up with that theory, but I am with Kelsey it makes absolutely no sense at all. So anyone reading this please don’t think that all private pilots are stupid just because of one guy.
Edit I just asked my father-in-law who is a commercial airline pilot (a320) and he came up with about 15 scenarios of what caused this and guess what a tray smashing into the yolk from a button on the seat wasn’t one of them either
"I've done all of the possible scenarios that involve me and food in that seat. ALL OF THEM." The way he said it was just so sympathetic😂
the plane said go for the ground🤣
Hard to imagine Kelsey as “fluffy” even with all the snacks
All of them? Oh, I suspect he's too good of a guy to do a scenario or two that just came to mind. LOL
u2 pilots have to eat lunch out of a tube in their space helmet..... we let commercial crews get away with too much
I'm picturing that scene from Airplane! where the pilot is flying while the stewardess is describing all the symptoms of food poisoning and it culminates with him slumping forward over the yoke and the plane going into a dive. 🤣
Cmon - the pilot was tired of waiting for a snack, he nosed down to get the snack cart to the cockpit
That's how you get express food service!😂😂😂
it would go in the other direction. 😂
@@vividthespis Not if he reduced speed a bit!
Problem: the snack cart became weightless and went to the back and ceiling of the plane like all the unbuckled passengers 🤪
@@vividthespis 🤪🤣
By the way, the reason I love your videos is YOU DONT DELETE COMMENTS that don't agree with your narrative and are willing to admit WHEN YOU ARE WRONG. I never delete my mistakes, i openly acknowledge them and move on.Shame on that man. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
As a former flight attendant, I would say the switch at the back of the seat is to help attendants who might need to take and injured/sick pilot out of their seat.
I remember training for that and having to remember where the buttons were on all the different types of aircrafts we were flying on. A button at the back of the seat would be a definite improvement for us in medical situations.
Maybe it’s also helpful on the ground for the maintenance people. In both case it would prove helpful for people needing to move the seat without actually being seated in it
'On the fluffier side of life.' and 'Dying of sunburn and a lack of snacks.' Love it Kelsey!
I actually felllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll forward on my keyboard LMAO!!! 😂🤣😆
😆LOL 🤣
A pilot reacting that slowly in a slow-moving seat kind of reminds me of the security guard screaming in front of the steam roller in Austin Powers.
"You're about to get killed by a ZAMBONI!"
or the TSA in South Park
@@SuperSpecies"sir, I gots to check your @$$hole!" 🤣🤣🤣
🤣 or Tina Belcher learning to drive in a basically empty parking lot with one other parked car and somehow managing to hit it going 2 mph.
love your stand on owning your mistakes and not trying to act like whatever.
thanks for your content & greetings from germany
Thank you for being here and using your voice ❤️
I'm a GA pilot and have watched hundreds of hours (maybe a slight exaggeration) of Kelsey's videos! What's that? Get a life? Yeah, maybe I should but this is genuine, 100 percent honest talk from a guy who doesn't have to do this but does it because he loves flying and wants to cut through the BS that's out there and tell it like it is. I don't regret watching one single minute. Thanks Kelsey!
Him and Petter (Mentour Pilot) are my favorite UA-camrs. I love Kelsey’s honest and dry sense of humor, and I love Petters way of breaking down extremely complex things so someone like me with 0 flying experience can understand while avoiding exaggerating for clicks.
@@marquisdelafayette1929 try also Hoover with his Pilot Debrief channel. I think if you like these guys you will like him. There’s also no BS. Have a good day
What's GA? Is that an abbreviation of an airline?
@@dannydaw59, GA is general aviation I believe.
Correct. Anything not commercial (commercial = paying passengers or contracted cargo). So, basically light aircraft for social or domestic use only. (Edit-to clarify I’m adding to the GA question that Nick correctly answered)
Kelsey, this post broke the UA-cam algorithm....Very well played!!
Oh Shiat I just learned enough to recognize you are “captain” …. Those 4 stripes are amazing ! Love your videos and keep on keeping on !
Thank you Kelsey,you are a pleasure to listen to..
Most feared ways to die:
Other people: Spiders, snakes, drowning, falling, fire, sharks...
Kelsey: Lack of snacks
real
Yep.
This part had me cracking up🤣
Naw Im still going with rectal trauma
"Snacks! It had to be Snacks."
I LOVE the subtle left seat flex with the seat moving video.
Congrats again Kelsey.
Right on! Great comment.
Not a flex dramadude. It's just where he sits now.
@@jeffbeck8993One does not necessarily rule out the other. 🤣
He has actually sat left seat as a relief pilot on video before back when he was still an FO.
Noted. And applauded.
Excellent video with a perfectly reasonable explanation. The other chap was seemingly upset he got it wrong and deleted the comment. It’s a bit sad rather than acknowledging your clear explanation.
I’m a fluffy person, Thanks for the shout out!!! You gotta love 💕 🧑✈️ Captain Kelsey✨🤍
I'm imagining the search and rescue chief briefing their team: Kelsey came down in the desert and will die of sunburn and lack of snacks if we don't find him. His life expectancy is about 20 minutes, 30 if he finds shade!
Quick! We need a drag queen Stat! They are masters at throwing shade.
rudder hard over happened?🤔
No, they would probably drop him a hat and a carton of Twix bars.
"Kelsey will run out of pretzels in 20 minutes! Get a move on, boys!"
So basically, Kelsey is a cat who was fed 20 minutes ago.
I wonder if he meows for snacks.
I appreciate your way of handling mistakes so much. People pretending to be perfect is a huge problem, and it's part of why people don't trust each other anymore. You're doing it right, and it's extremely refreshing and endearing.
Agreed; so tastefully done; your comment, and Kelsey's observations.😃
You shouldn't be perfect, but if you are making flying machines, safety needs to be above 99%
@@thatrandomguyontheinternet2477 no human operates over 70% mistake free. That's why aviation uses systems to catch pilot errors. Catching errors and correcting them works better than blaming humans for making the mistakes humans make.
Watch more of Kelsey's videos and you'll see more and more than the system that expects mistakes is infinitely safer than one that discourages mistakes.
Well let's see what happens next, because Kelsey has made a huge mistake here by assuming the comments were deleted by the content creators when in fact, comments disappear from TikTok all the time for no apparent reason. If he'd bothered to question his faulty assumptions he would have found plenty of discussion about TikTok comments getting removed to the annoyance of content creators and commentators alike, and the problems, like this situation, that result. Kelsey messed up here.
Agreed !!!
Love your videos Capt Kelsey. Keep up the amazing work
First time I’m hearing of this!! Thank you for keeping us updated
You can really tell a lot about a person when they are in a position of taking responsibility for their actions, and observing how they handle it.
True, FJB
I don't think anyone can be anymore clear or give any better of an explanation then this pilot is giving! A+ high quality video!
Truly awesome!
Sorry to say, but he is not. It's like a drunk pilot at a bar. Listen to at 0.5 x speed. It's exactly how we sound.
Well if their whistle blowers quit dying, we might go somewhere.
Maybe. But I really doubt any pilot working for Boeing or not is going to say anything about a Boeing incident...positive or negative...all on their own without Boeing brass and PR involved. It just smells. I would rather hear from a retired pilot and one with body guards. Not sure they exist at this point, so who is this really talking and who is this really for?
@@zackbarkley7593just LOL at your conspiracy theory!
@@zackbarkley7593 huh... We have dozens of pilot channels and they talk about EVERY Boeing incident... Because Boeing is the biggest name in aviation so obviously they always talk about boeing... Your bieng way to much of a conspiracy theorist dude.. not even making sense anymore.
Love your authenticity!
This is super good information. I love watching it and hearing the commentary from 74 Gear. Good job. Top-notch entertainment.
I am a GA pilot. It's amazing the BS on YT regarding flying. Keep keeping it real.
In this case it was TikTok I guess.
It’s 2024.. No room for facts
Except the information regarding the seat is correct and Kelsey is just talking without bothering to do any research first.
What does GA mean?
@@StallionStudios1234 general aviation.
People that delete comments show exactly what type of people they are. Someone that is not humble enough to accept that maybe they are wrong.
Agreed. If they didn't agree with Kelsey's comment then either ignore it or explain why you think you are right.
Correct. Just try giving a dissenting opinion on a flat earther YT video and most of them will be deleted once seen by the author
A tiktoker has a strong incentive to delete comments that go against whatever they're saying in their videos, because being right brings views (read, money), and being wrong does not. The system rewards dishonesty.
This comment needs more likes! This is so true.
gluetube randomly deletes ~60% of my comments without rhyme or reason. Because that's what type of people they are. And when AI makes it 80%, that's the sort of thing it is.
I admire your integrity and willingness to share your experience and insight. *subscribed*
I use this seat once every other day and I do confirm what you're saying !!
Dying of sunburn and lack of snacks is the worst.
my guess is rudder hard over because if they have screens going blank they had problems and rudder hard over can send the plane into a death dive
The rudder bone is connected to the elevator bone. 🦴🦾 😆
@@raven4k998
The ex wife was a Redhead and few times I thought sunburn was going to kill her, not sure what the deal is with redheads and sun but they dont mix very well at all, don't mix with me very well at all either but dang just cant help it, and ladies the last redhead vacated her position (left me) so its open at the moment , at least I didn't lie and say I left her , I'm honest for the most part anyway unless your a cop , most of my lies where all the same one , Not Guity ! is what it is .
Rudder? My understanding is the rudder controls yaw, not pitch. The elevator controls pitch. Ailerons control roll. So, to pitch forward, something happened to the elevator. But I’d have to ask Kelsey to be sure. 😊
@@kimdrost8551 'Stick & Rudder' Classic!
Hey Kelsey hope you’re doing well! I am currently 13 and am enrolled in a junior flight program at my local flight school. I have 13 hours in the 172 now and I just wanted to say how much I appreciate your channel. You have really motivated me to work hard for this and you were a cause for my interest in aviation. I just wanted to say thanks!
How much does all that cost?
Congratulations
This is great, but I gotta advise you not to share your age on the internet. Not saying you aren't smart enough to avoid most creeps, but some are more aggressive and it's best not to give them a target.
@@BeeWhistlerchill it’s UA-cam... you can dm anymore for a decade now 😂
@@dannydaw59 In the Houston area flight training is about $200/hr with an instructor for a Piper or Cessna.
This video is why I love UA-cam.
Thanks for posting the video!
If that guy had any sense, he would be honored that someone with the experience and credibility of Kelsey took the time to have a dialogue with him on his channel.
And if he'd watched any of Kelsey's videos, he would have known better than to question his airplane-related food expertise. Sheesh!
It's AWESOME having an experienced and actually enthusiastic pilot like Capt. Kelsey going through this stuff. Not just one who talks about these things, but takes the time to SHOW us what he means. Plus, he isn't an egomaniac about it, is willing to _actually_ consider alternative explanations, and doesn't participate in sniping people he doesn't agree with. You, Cpt Kelsey, are a Noble Gentleman - Hats off to you, sir.
Appreciate your honesty Kelsey, acknowledging and learning from mistakes is I'm sure one of the many reasons you're a good pilot.
Thank you for having the integrity for not deleting content, and calling out others who do. I've always lamented the exact thing you mentioned about social media: chasing perfection, or the appearance of perfection. Truth matters, and matters more than feelings or image. If I had any influence over social media practices I'd even remove the ability to delete content or comments, as it is feeding that beast that is damaging so many, including children.
This isn't limited to just aviation. It's just the world we live in now. People want to be the first to give the "facts" when in most cases the facts just aren't all put together yet. We live in a world of 95% commentary for views. Respect this channel for not being complete commentary like most.
That's why you also see these news stories that are completely worthless, provide zero information, and are just filler because they want to be first to report some event. They provide the one liner that was released by the airline or whatever, then instead of cutting it short, they ramble total garbage for a minute or two.
Its sadly not just "people" its huge parts of the professional media landscape too. Being first is more lucrative than being right.
@@billklatsch5058
I was going to post the same thing but you called it. That's why you get these news stories that echo the one-liner airline/military press-release, then the other 2 minutes is completely worthless. I've literally seen news stories announcing the crash of a fighter jet and it starts out, "Big news about a local military jet this afternoon but first let's talk about the history of this jet and its use in Iraq..."
At the very least the guy is giving an opinion and not dressing it as a fact. Still the moment their opinion could be wrong they delete it...
@@Skank_and_Gutterboy I have huge respect for every channel that starts off very clearly saying what they do know as fact, and what they don't know and are purely guessing. So many so called news shows bury the fact that they have no idea what's going on but still try to present it as definitive truth. Basically it's just propaganda at that point.
to quote one of my former instructors: "We don't make mistakes, we create learning opportunities"
And hope everyone survives your "learning opportunity"
Shame that money often gets in the way of actually implementing what have been learned…
That was a very good quote. Many incidents and accidents are due to wrong decisions or no decisions at all if I get Petter, the Mentour Pilot correct and from each such incident/accident something new is learned.
So many other professions can say the same but none are so sadly final and devastating.
Is that the point of Boeing's DEI??
Create LOTS of "learning opportunities"??
...hard pass. I'll just remain alive and ignorant! 🤷
I love this video! Thank you for making it boss💪🏽
I love your videos! Keep it up man!
Blancolirio channel showed a video that the button can be operated when it’s covered by the protective cover and it then sticks on which will push the pilot hard into the controls. Boeing sent out an advisory to airlines to check the condition of the switches after the accident
correct. im really suprised Kelsey was NOT aware of that.
I remember seeing that, and the confirmation that it was Blancolirio who said it, adds credibility - yeah, it wasn't bumping into the yoke, and it wasn't a matter of just letting go of the switch.
@@Nebbia_affaraccimiei Kelsey doesn't really do in depth crash analysis, and I don't believe the 747 has that "feature" so between the really skimpy details on the tik tok video, and the fact that it's not his specialty, I don't have an expectation of Kelsey knowing the whole story.
Exactly….Blancolirio and the Tik Tok guy reported on the exact same thing on the exact same day (March 15 2024).
@@kenbrown2808 then maybe before making a whole video dunking on the guy (and saying it spreads misinformation while it clearly does not) he should research if 787 seats work the same way as 747 'cause apparently they don't
I love the idea that a trained commercial airline pilot doesn’t have the quick thinking and reflexes to lift his tray up as the seat moved back into place.
It can be even not him who had the issue. If the other person served the meal a d pushed the button by an accident, while leaning towards the seat, it could cause the fall of the serving person on the pilot or forward. We don't know what happened in cabins of Singapore airlines, Quatar and some others. Nobody shares the data. Now it's comfortable to put all on climate change and sudden air issue, or how they call it now there...
Thank you for video!
Really makes sense. Thanks for sharing
Social media is one of the worst inventions ever.
Amen brother amen. People get to say anything they want with no fear of repercussions or accountability..... spreading misinformation globally within seconds. What could possibly go wrong?
GFY
@@donaldsalkovick396 So you're against freedom of speech?..
@@donaldsalkovick396 Yeah, we’re all much, much safer letting the State hold their monopoly on misinformation..
Grow up.
@@Foxhound94 It is curated and edited and censor this is not freedom it is a media that is social
I never knew I was interested in aviation until I found this channel!
Me too! And now I have a discovery flight this week!
Me too, and now I drive people mad looking at the sky and pointing out 747s
flight mentor is another good channel.
Right?? 😂
Me too!
Great videos, thanks 👍
I’m really glad that you said this, my my very good friend flies Boeings and he is frustrated with that guy to no end
One of the lessons to be learned is that on social media, misinformation is given the same opportunity to influence viewers as correct information. Unqualified people are given the same authority to speak as qualified people. Truth and lies are given the same weight.
The problems start when people abandon critical thinking, common sense, and personal research.
And in cases such as Sunni Hostin thinking climate change caused, the eclipse, earthquakes, and cicada's, I don't know what other word to use than ignorance. And people watch that show and the ignorance spreads.
Nothing new. TikTok is just the modern equivalent of tabloid newspapers, except you might occasionally stumble onto something truthful on TikTok just by accident. There's ALWAYS been a market for sensationalism and popularity-over-facts and headline/click-baiting people.
If anything there's probably a greater proportion of the population getting their facts from reputable sources than historically "read the quality broadsheets".
People can do research and learn. Right now you watched Kelsey's take and assume the other guy's take is misinformation. Of course we don't know what happened on this flight, but Kelseys take that moving the seat and pushing the yoke is "nonsense" is actually the misinformation. It is a legitimate theory the investigators will look at because it has a precedent (check out the story of the Voyager Flight 333). The pilot in that flight was moving his seat forward, which pushed an item against the yoke, and they went into a nosedive. So this dismissive take by Kelsey is wrong.
@@allnighter2011he didn’t say it was impossible, only that it was highly unlikely. It happened one other time in history so you saying that it’s more likely than any other reason is wrong. With Boeing’s recent merger, history of malfunctions and then dead whistleblowers lately are what really need to be addressed instead of senseless arguing without offering solutions.
"dying of sunburn and lack of snacks..." hahahahhaha this literally made me spit my coffee out lol
That fear is real 🤪
Great video ... The demonstration of you bumping the Yoke in cruise made the worth watching on its own!!! :-) Love it !
Kelsey keeping it real once again - love it!
Good video again Kelsey. I have a good friend who became a captain at a major airline. In the early 90s, as a FO at the controls of a 747-300 cruising at night, he was given clearance to climb to a higher FL. Half way through the climb he got the TCAS alert to Descend, Descend. He immediately pushed the nose over BUT was very conscious of not sticking many of the sleeping passengers on the ceiling. He maintained some slight positive Gs. He watched the opposing AC on the TCAS screen and saw the closure... 10000m, 5000m, 2000m, 1000m and then saw the shadow pass directly above with his estimate of just hundreds of feet clearance. He maintained composure until after landing several hours later when he phoned his wife and told her he had just saved 750 people. Trust the TCAS - not the controller!
Shadow? Night?
@@russbell6418 Shh! He's on a roll!
@@russbell6418 You're able to see another aircraft pass over the top of yours at night, as it blocks out any visible stars or clouds reflecting streetlights etc, especially at a few hundred feet.
well according to you he didn't trust the TCAS, he was LUCKY not to have the collision. YOU FOLLOW the TCAS instruction regardless. You don't do your own version of it. Jeez..
Sounds like maintaining the altitude or going higher might have been safer in that instance. I wonder if flight control messed up.
Dying from lack of snacks.
Love how you are always able to reframe others incompetence or ignorance with a lovely sense of self deprecating humor.
Dammit dude, you stole my line! xD
It's not self depricating. It's really the truth.
I work in medical, and running around patients all day without a break, availability of free snacks (and free roaming pens) is simply matter of life and death!
Love your humility and down to earth perspective Kelsey as well as your sense of humor (sunburn, lack of snacks 🤣)
From a pilot living in the desert:
A fear of dying of sunburn and lack of snacks is a legitimate concern.
😂
Hello Kelsey, I’ve been in aircraft Maintenance & Engineering just shy of 52 years and am now retired. I’ve lost count on how many hours experience I have on Boeing, McDonnell Douglas and Airbus aircraft, most of which were on 747, MD-11 and DC-10. Being honest, I have very little experience on the 787 model. However, I remembered reading this after the incident in question, “In a bulletin to airlines, Boeing said that if part of the switch is loose, a cover over the top can cause it to jam, "resulting in unintended seat movement.” The bulletin does not refer to the dive incident, which authorities are in the early stages of investigating.” The way I’m reading this is the switch could stick in the seat forward position and drive the seat to the full forward position. I don’t know if the pilot sitting in this seat was a large person or maybe had a food tray or computer in his lap, but I can imagine how the control column could be pushed forward. Supposedly, this is not the first time this has occurred, thus the reason for the bulletin. I’m also assuming that if the pilot quickly placed his thumb on his switch to try and reverse the seat direction, nothing happens, but again, I honestly don’t know. This would be easy to check physically or if I had a schematic. My thoughts only and thank you for your videos.
So, it's entirely possible the other guy was right.
That bulletin was my first thought. If you are pushing the button yourself you would notice what was happening, but, I'm guessing here, that if the switch cover was pushing the button, then maybe you wouldn't notice until the plane dived. Maybe.
@@James_Bee even if it was jammed, the seat would be moving at a snail's pace, giving ample time for the pilot to mitigate
I can second the strange timing of this "totally unrelated" information about the seats from Boeing.
@@kenso77 If the button is stuck it'll be pushing you forward despite your best efforts to stop it.
You’re a great example of honesty and transparency
Well, transparency? Was he there? Did he experience it?
@@the_kombinatordid he need to be there to offer his opinion here??????? Lol
@@ericingram7047 I think you need more question marks.
@@the_kombinator Since I've watched a lot of Kelsey's videos I think @mooretrumpet comment was generalizing that Kelsey and his videos are always honest and transparent...
@@KCadbyRacing It's always a good time when a post has to be interpreted and the meaning guessed - I mean unless OP's ESL, then FFS gather your thoughts correctly :P
Hey Kels, I always always enjoy your info, it's made my flying experience my more fun with the info you give out. Keep the blue side up.
Thank you for sharing
This reminds me of Voyager Flight 333, Metour did a video where a pilot had their camera in the cockpit, moved their seat up and the chair pushed the camera into the side stick and the plane dived around 4000 feet. So, the seat moving up may sound improbable, but not impossible
Came to say exactly this. There is an inkling of truth to it, but it wasn't related to the flight, not related to Boeing etc.
Can you pilot every time I need to take a flight somewhere? You are calm, reasonable and well put together. All the ingredients of a fantastic pilot.
... as opposed to the lunatics and mouthbreather pilots?
@@the_kombinatoryes lol
@@ericingram7047 Well... keep flying Air Pakistan and Air Ethiopia.
Thank you for keeping it real
Its a good sunday when we get a new 74 Gear!
Kelsey, I have enjoyed all of your videos for the past couple years and always wonder "what is it about this guy's videos that I like so much?" Well, you answered that question on this video. It is your humility. You are confident but you are also humble and that is very much appreciated (and rare these days). Keep making great content!
Thank you Sir!
I’m so glad I did my traveling when I was younger because I’ll never get on a plane again.
People have easily hurt and tiny childlike egos.
Many people's ego's are crushed if they're wrong about anything, no matter how insignificant.
Thanks for all the cabin shots 74. Cool
I love how genuine you are. It’s amazing how true self confidence grows from being conscientious of others. Thank you for all you do.
Just love this channel! Nothing not like!
Thank you for info.
As a frequent flyer with well over a million miles traveled, I always appreciate your insights! Thank you and save travels!
To be fair, this incident kinda reminds me of Voyager Flight 333. One of the pilots had left the cockpit. The other pilot was taking photos and when the Purser came in, the pilot put the camera between the arm rest of his chair and the control stick (it was an A330). When he brought his chair forward, he forgot about the camera and it pushed the camera into the stick, sending the aircraft into a dive. As his aircraft pitched down violently, the pilot still didn't notice the camera. The camera popped out partway through the incident, but even afterwards, he had no idea that his camera was to blame.
Just a note for those who may not know/realize. A330 has a control stick like a joystick, B787 has yoke. So that wouldn't work. I wonder if the chair would generate enough force to push the yoke into a nose dive if for some reason a pilots bag was left between the chair and the yoke and the chair is moved forward.
There was no way the camera popped out, it was jammed. The pilot realized it was the camera and pulled it out with some force. The pilot after the incident lied saying he had no idea what happened. It was during the investigation when the camera was brought up. They even tested the force necessary to remove the camera. Which was inconsistent with the pilot's story. Thankfully that guy was fired for lying.
@@BkNy02 Yeah, now that I think about it, I was a bit naive in my original assessment. Thanks for setting the record straight!
Exactly. Does he not know about that?
Yeah, but that was on an Airbus, and that's no yoke. 😑
"Pilots are lazy" has me laughing. You are always entertaining and educational!
Thank you. Accurate, honest information and common sense.
Blancolirio (a 777 FO) did a detailed breakdown of this. His commentary for this incident is based on a Boeing multi-operator report regarding loose switch covers on the 787. Anyway, Juan details how an apparently malfunctioning switch cover and loose switch on the back of the seat could have been involved as has been reported. The FA reportedly leaned against the back of the seat with their hand or forearm resting on the switch cover. This apparently caused accidental activation of the switch, moving the seat forward. Due to the limited clearance between the tray and the yoke, the seat drove the tray into the yoke with enough force to disco the AP and provide pitch down control input. The flight crew couldn't recover from the upset until the Captain was able to move the seat back and remove the tray.
Note that Juan also shows a video demonstrating this accidental activation in a 787 on the ground. The cover and switch are the culprits here as, once the cover itself is depressed, the seat motors activate forward movement and - most importantly - CONTINUE to move the seat forward after the body part that made the initial contact is no longer making contact with the cover!
All of this is unofficial, of course, until the final report from the investigation board of the nation having jurisdiction over the flight.
I believe preliminary report states the same if you can believe wikipedia, as I don't speak Spanish to double check the report (it does have pictures of the seat and the button tho).
Could have been avoided if they didn't delete the comment
“On the fluffier side of life” 😂😂 I love Kelsey’s dry humour.
Well, he was, most likely, thinking of popcorn. That's rather fluffy. Unless he put on a significant amount of butter. I can see that, too.
I really enjoy your page, even though I dont fly nor will I probably ever, haha. I find you to be a straight up, appear to be a level headed, down to earth, honest person. Your page is entertaining to watch. Social media is all about the "look at me" generation and mostly filled with unbelievable information that people share just for clicks. Its really sad because people have gotten hurt because of it. Keep up the videos and thank you for having us apart of your life.
Kelsey, now you can cover the Singapore Airlines turbulence incident which just happened on the Boeing plane.
That is so Kelsey: ...."dying of sunburn and lack of snacks." 😂😂😂
ON THE DESERT FLOOR.. Don't forget That part.....😂😂😂😂😂😂
Love ya Kelsey because you’re honest, you keep it real, no bs. And you’ve got a great sense of humor. 😅
Thanks Kelsey for being honest and educating us on these types of incidents. I am not a pilot but fly RC prop planes and turbine jets which gives me some understanding of full scale flight.
Thank you for your information on this matter. No one but a pilot is qualified to explain the functions of an aircraft. I trust your input on this matter
"Dying of sunburn and lack of snacks.." Never change. You make your channel so much fun to watch while being very informative with *accurate* information. :D
Sunburn and lack of snackage. . . Sunburn and lack of snackage never changes.
@@aResoluteProtector Now go to the nearest vault and find the water chip.
im beginning to suspect Kelsey may be a Vampire.......
@@aResoluteProtector I live in the desert. Sunburn and lack of snacks is not a normal way we die in the desert, so that is not accurate information. We have plenty of snacks.
When it comes to eating while flying scenarios, this is definitely the resident expert.
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ YOU ARE THE BEST, KELSEY! 👍 What makes your Channel THE BEST AVIATION CHANNEL on UA-cam, is that you're humble. You teach your audience about MISTAKES that you have made, which is a great source of learning and it's inspiring! And you do it with HUMOR! 😂 👍
And I believe that your way of explaining the World of Aviation to people who perhaps are nervous flyers is brilliant! No drama or wild speculations, just cool, calm, rational explanations. BRILLIANT! THANK YOU! 👍
Thanks, Kelsey.
I love your ranty videos. Hope you never die of sunburn and lack of snacks ❤