【Seisan】Another kata that Motobu Choki emphasized

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  • Опубліковано 25 гру 2024

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  • @Amundsen8635
    @Amundsen8635 Місяць тому +3

    I always enjoy your videos. Thank you!

  • @balazsurban4890
    @balazsurban4890 Місяць тому +1

    Thank you for this explanation. This is what I was really waiting from you.
    Looking forward the next ones..
    Osu

  • @Jameskeith1972
    @Jameskeith1972 Місяць тому +1

    Another fantastic job! Your Seisan is the best👌. I say that because Seisan is also my pet project. ❤

  • @Priestbokmei1
    @Priestbokmei1 Місяць тому

    A significant departure from the Seisan I was taught in Goju Ryu. Very interesting, though. Thank for demonstrating this great kata!😀👏👏👏

  • @sesankata
    @sesankata Місяць тому

    Seisan Kata taught me a former Tae Kwon do practitioner to kick and punch combinations. Shorin Ryu is my current style but I'm still a good kicker. You can tell by my name that it's my favorite Kata.

  • @evertrainee1622
    @evertrainee1622 Місяць тому +3

    I've been practicing Naihanchi, and Seisan. I repeat often, and I'm trying to continue that feeling in full contact Kumite. Recently, I have been applying the tempo of explosive and very slow movements. What are your opinions on this practice?

    • @GermanSausagesAreTheWurst
      @GermanSausagesAreTheWurst Місяць тому

      My teacher says we should do the Kata fast sometimes, slow sometimes, and power sometimes.
      Also you can sometimes make the moves large, and sometimes make them small.

    • @shinjiwatanabe8131
      @shinjiwatanabe8131  Місяць тому +3

      When doing kata, it is important to be precise with your movements. In that sense, you should do it slowly, and you don't need to do it at full speed. That's my opinion. Please watch this video.
      ua-cam.com/video/XevXsZCDu3s/v-deo.htmlsi=Mn_9H9Q05n3IKNRp&t=774
      12:55〜

    • @robertfarris3744
      @robertfarris3744 Місяць тому

      bruce lee once said you can't learn how to swim on dry land by practicing the moves..to learn how to swim you have to get into the water...in other words kata won't teach how to fight..only fighting teaches you how to fight.

    • @GermanSausagesAreTheWurst
      @GermanSausagesAreTheWurst Місяць тому

      @@robertfarris3744 If you hate Kata, why are you watching this video?

  • @uversone
    @uversone 22 дні тому

    動画を拝見させて頂きました。
    本部朝基先生は、弟子の丸川謙二先生にしか、セイサンを伝授していないので、果たして、本当に重視していたかは、疑問が残ります。もし、重視していたなら、もっと多くの弟子に伝授していた筈ではないでしょうか。
    ちなみに、朝基先生は、基本的にはナイハンチ初段しか教えませんでしたが、息子や一部の弟子達には、他の型も伝授していて、息子の朝正宗家にはナイハンチ二段、前述の丸川先生にはセイサン、高野玄十郎先生には白熊(ピンアン二段みたいな型)、渡山流を開いた兼島信助先生にはワンシュウとジッテを指導されています。丸川先生によると、パッサイを伝授された人もいたそうです。

  • @BabyBoomersDoomer
    @BabyBoomersDoomer Місяць тому

    ❤❤🥋

  • @robertfarris3744
    @robertfarris3744 Місяць тому +1

    motobu choki was known as a fighter...he HATED kata and was known for only learning one kata...all the good fighters (in the modern era) that i know of DON"T practice kata...it teaches you balance,proper tehnique and limited movement...it DOESN"T teach you how to fight or to actually use your art in real life situations.

    • @shinjiwatanabe8131
      @shinjiwatanabe8131  Місяць тому +2

      He didn't hate kata. What he hated were karatekas who acted great just by doing kata, but couldn't actually fight.
      It's also wrong to say that he only learned one kata. He learned multiple kata. And he said, in his own opinion, "Doing Naihanchi is enough," and that's it.
      It's true that fighters today (including karatekas who like kumite) don't do kata. You can get strong without doing kata.
      But that strength relies on physical ability, in other words, youth. By learning and mastering the correct kata properly, you can (to a certain extent(?)) overturn that.
      I have proven that through my own fights.
      ua-cam.com/play/PLvVju5c9tSxXAAY9xUDS-0QvgKsi9rBBR.html
      That's what I'm trying to convey through this channel.

  • @Adam-bu3lm
    @Adam-bu3lm Місяць тому +1

    It's interesting you've gone with the belief that the more simple kata may be closer to the original when video documentation of Chinese counter-parts are much more complex. Even a simple taolu like sanchin have more reps and more hand techniques than their Okinawan cousins.

    • @shinjiwatanabe8131
      @shinjiwatanabe8131  Місяць тому +5

      I think it's unreasonable to think that existing Chinese martial arts kata have retained the original forms unchanged.
      Rather than thinking that something complex was created from the beginning, I think it's more natural to think that it started out simple and gradually became more complex.

    • @Adam-bu3lm
      @Adam-bu3lm Місяць тому

      @@shinjiwatanabe8131 Perhaps it is unreasonable to believe they were unchanged, I agree, but three other options exist for karate kata's simplicity. Incomplete transmission, unvalued/conflicting techniques, and planned simplification. These I find the most likely because there is a historical precedent for them. The former of the three you admit is the reason you only practice a few kata, and the transmission of the meaning of other kata is lost and/or incomplete. The later of the three, planned simplification, is admitted by famous teachers.
      I so far enjoy all your material, by the way, and am enjoying learning from you. Tomari seisan is very interesting. Most of your talking points seem to run parallel with Okinawan Kempo Karate. Am I wrong?