Knights of the Round Table VS The Argonauts

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  • @TsiahIV
    @TsiahIV  Рік тому +232

    This really shouldn't need clarification, but Achilles IS a Neo Argonaut in FGO. Hence him being part of the "Argonauts" Fate wise.

    • @bowenmosie
      @bowenmosie Рік тому +14

      This was a fun video to watch cant wait to see Roman, Egyptian, Chinese and Japanese Servants fight the Argonauts

    • @ProtectorKelvin
      @ProtectorKelvin Рік тому +13

      Battles between servants are cool but I'd like to see a battle between the strongest masters. The crypters, fate zero masters and stay night masters

    • @bowenmosie
      @bowenmosie Рік тому +3

      @@ProtectorKelvin danm you have a good point lets wait and see

    • @ProtectorKelvin
      @ProtectorKelvin Рік тому +1

      Yup, let's see

    • @Ultimate0Phantasm
      @Ultimate0Phantasm Рік тому +3

      ​​@@ProtectorKelvin The crypters solo even if you take their servants and give the others their servants lol we have daybit here literally summoning alien servants from outer space that is capable of beating a high lvl divine spirit such as koyanskaya light and she is stronger than Tez and Wodime is stronger than that capable of beating Zeus (10%) and making Zeus acknowledge him as an equal and literally spamming anti planet lvl meteors.

  • @ahkilleuskosmos6836
    @ahkilleuskosmos6836 Рік тому +1000

    This battle is not a question of whether or not the Round Table can win, it’s a question of can Jason throw harder than Heracles can carry.

    • @theifzelnite1087
      @theifzelnite1087 Рік тому +147

      Oh thanks for that. I know imagine Hercules using Achilles as a bloody projectile. 😂

    • @potatoexe5410
      @potatoexe5410 Рік тому +34

      Nah Herakles gets downed by Rhongo, Excalibur, or Longinus

    • @raikoedgymoto
      @raikoedgymoto Рік тому +83

      Tf do you mean
      Jason's back hurts from practicly carrying everyone in LB5.1
      If anything he's the one who carries 😂

    • @DR_REDACTED
      @DR_REDACTED Рік тому +4

      BRO💀

    • @yujiandou4658
      @yujiandou4658 Рік тому +8

      @@potatoexe5410 good luck doing that when the twins could blitz distract long enough for herc to merk.

  • @raymondyongho5757
    @raymondyongho5757 Рік тому +413

    Now I want to see these two factions clash in a Death Battle. Funny how Jason isn't a part of the fight despite being Captain of the Argonauts. The man truly is the Buggy of his own crew.

    • @m.k.o7610
      @m.k.o7610 Рік тому +20

      So true

    • @saberalter1586
      @saberalter1586 Рік тому +56

      Medea was in the team so Jason wanted to stay away from this battle. Some "accident" or friendly fire would have occurred XD

    • @m.k.o7610
      @m.k.o7610 Рік тому +7

      @@saberalter1586 so true

    • @Aaron-ft5nk
      @Aaron-ft5nk Рік тому +10

      People can say whatever they want but Buggy is still an Emperor and Jason is still the leader of an OP Greek heroes crew.

    • @uliseslopez4639
      @uliseslopez4639 Рік тому +6

      no fair man with Jason's management Argonauts would have won quite easily no cap.

  • @erenkruger5760
    @erenkruger5760 Рік тому +540

    Achilles being the MVP as always

    • @christiansmith1895
      @christiansmith1895 Рік тому +24

      What else in New?

    • @imaginebreaker7777
      @imaginebreaker7777 Рік тому +20

      Best rider ftw

    • @christiansmith1895
      @christiansmith1895 Рік тому +14

      @@ahkilleuskosmos6836 well yeah but personally I think the Lion king and The Knights of the Round would be to much for even these argonauts. I mean they did get a huge power up with Achilles but most likely In 8/10 the knights would win if you used all the knights of the round table vs all Argonauts not Neo. The Argonauts would probably get slaughtered due to shared numbers.
      I mean Mordred And Perceval are not slouches. Gawain and Lancelot would most likely survive a while. But Lion King would most likely be the MVP. I don’t think a Partically charged rhongomyniad would kill the Lion king. A lot of the Knights of the round table is Not stupid by any means. If they had Avalon and There Gifts this would even be a fight.

    • @tactlesstactician
      @tactlesstactician Рік тому +8

      everyone gangsta till i tickle his heel

    • @erenkruger5760
      @erenkruger5760 Рік тому +11

      @@christiansmith1895 Common Achilles W

  • @aguywithalotofopinions412
    @aguywithalotofopinions412 Рік тому +257

    Powerscaling in Fate is very complicated as is, but it gets even more difficult with servants because their current power source dictates a lot of what they can and can't do so it's all pretty situational

    • @thirdplanet4471
      @thirdplanet4471 Рік тому +21

      I'm still trying to understand how age of gods and mystery plays into a fight

    • @aguywithalotofopinions412
      @aguywithalotofopinions412 Рік тому +50

      @@thirdplanet4471 basically there was a lot more magic around during the age of gods, so heroes that come from that age tend to be stronger than heroes that don’t, at least in average cases. But the knights of the round table are far from average, at least with a decent source of magic to draw from.

    • @creaturetransylvania8943
      @creaturetransylvania8943 Рік тому +33

      Who summons them?
      How are they summoned?
      Where are summoned?
      Why are they summond?
      When are they summoned?
      What are they summoned with?
      Who are they summoned with?
      The summon alone already is complicated on how powerful they are & what they can or can't do.

    • @nightowl548
      @nightowl548 Рік тому +3

      @@ShiraFuyu2022Or Dantes, who kinda says "fuck you" to that particular structure.

    • @Luzhong_editz
      @Luzhong_editz 6 місяців тому

      ​@@creaturetransylvania8943pretty sure only the first 5 os the only questoun needed to be asked

  • @TheWcasey
    @TheWcasey Рік тому +246

    Divinty is always such a tough thing to overcome unless your also divine or specifically optimized to counter it. Great vid and I could really picture things as they were described.

    • @potatoexe5410
      @potatoexe5410 Рік тому +10

      Of which the KoR do have counters to it

    • @adraxer1365
      @adraxer1365 Рік тому +8

      Nobu: DIVINITY YOU SAY?!

  • @nervmeister
    @nervmeister Рік тому +128

    I’d like to think Asclepius was an X-factor that majorly shifted things in his team’s favor. Any seasoned RPG vet will tell you that a “white mage” build with healing expertise is a cornerstone you want to have in your party.

  • @jetpower6601
    @jetpower6601 Рік тому +113

    All that devastation and the only ones left standing are achilles and Jason. What a battle!

    • @IAintGonnaDrawHeliohi
      @IAintGonnaDrawHeliohi Рік тому +3

      Didn't Heracles still should have more than 1 life?

    • @jetpower6601
      @jetpower6601 Рік тому +17

      @@IAintGonnaDrawHeliohi I thought rhongomyniad took all his remaining lives.

    • @IAintGonnaDrawHeliohi
      @IAintGonnaDrawHeliohi Рік тому +2

      @@jetpower6601 Yeah. But shouldn't it cost only 1 life?

    • @jetpower6601
      @jetpower6601 Рік тому +31

      @@IAintGonnaDrawHeliohi strong attacks destroy multiple lives. This was made clear when in the original fate route, caliburn deleted something like 6 lives from heracles. LB5 spoilers, artemises cannon can completely delete all 12 of hercs lives

    • @volcanicz6739
      @volcanicz6739 Рік тому +2

      ​@@IAintGonnaDrawHeliohi if the attack is strong enough, it can take down multiple lives

  • @erdenesaikhanamgalanhyiag8351
    @erdenesaikhanamgalanhyiag8351 Рік тому +83

    One of Jason's skills (inspiration at death's door) that should increase the survivability of the Argonauts

  • @the315artist3
    @the315artist3 11 місяців тому +4

    You're really good at telling these stories! I really hope you do more, I loved that you gave a detailed setting, that you made the warriors equal in what they can and can't do, the fact that you named every attack and how they worked out and not only where you breaking down each play! I loved it please more!

  • @nofxk
    @nofxk Рік тому +36

    HE BACK AT IT AGAIN IT'S HIM-SIAH IV

  • @キツネ-q4j
    @キツネ-q4j Рік тому +31

    The way you described the battle made it very easy for me to picture the entire thing in my head. 10/10 would recommend 💯

  • @banbowyt8945
    @banbowyt8945 Рік тому +122

    Imagine if The Lion King won and Jason walk it and used Astrastope Argo and summoned everyone back. I mean they will agree to help finish what they started.

    • @yep1486
      @yep1486 Рік тому +29

      Jason = The cooler Mercy

    • @Ultimate0Phantasm
      @Ultimate0Phantasm Рік тому +11

      Gets one shotted by Rhongominiad*
      Getting lion king here is a mistake as she is literally one shotting the whole team her holy judgement which is a weaker version of rhongominiad alone is enough to one shot all of them as it is more powerful than the strongest of NP by a THOUSAND times which includes EA, Excalibur and Vishavi shakti.

    • @ijustwanttowatchtheworldbu4664
      @ijustwanttowatchtheworldbu4664 Рік тому +29

      ​​​@@Ultimate0Phantasm Source: Trust me bro

    • @Ultimate0Phantasm
      @Ultimate0Phantasm Рік тому +7

      @@ijustwanttowatchtheworldbu4664 This is what happens when you don't play the game don't say shit like this when you don't know shit about fate 🗿
      It is stated in the camelot singularity where rhongominiad magical output was a THOUSAND TIMES stronger than the STRONGEST of NP used by SERVANTS.

    • @ijustwanttowatchtheworldbu4664
      @ijustwanttowatchtheworldbu4664 Рік тому +1

      @@Ultimate0Phantasm alright boy, if that's what you want to play then so be it
      From the Type-Moon wiki:
      "Rhongomyniad: The Lance that Shines to the Ends of the World is the Holy Lance of King Arthur. An anchor of storm that fastens the planet together. A Divine Construct armament. Rhongomyniad is regarded as the "spear of the end", the light of destruction coming down from the heavens, whose power is said to *rival the Holy Sword.* "
      "Excalibur: Sword of Promised Victory is the strongest and most majestic holy sword that symbolizes King Arthur. As that which can be called the physical actualization of her ideals and the symbol of her heroism, *it is her greatest and most powerful Noble Phantasm. Its power is said to be rivaled by Rhongomyniad.* "
      " *According to Dr. Roman* , the magical energy of this attack had a value of over 3,000,000 even though the highest-ranked Noble Phantasms *usually* only range between 1000 and 3000."
      These words are from Dr. Roman, who at that point is nowhere near Solomon level, especially in knowledge, what he know is base on what he studied or have at Chaldea. Not to mention, the wording are fucking vague af, but of course idiot like you would take it at face value to further your agenda
      "...the Holy Sword Construct measures "Threats to Human History" and, depending on the level of the threat, the sword gets supplied energy from the Earth's core. It is the Earth's defensive ability, the autopurifactory activity, like a white blood cell."
      Excalibur strength will increase with the level of threat it face, which mean, using your logic for a second, it would increase it power equal to your supposedly 'stronger than EA' lance, speaking of which.
      "Sword of Rupture, Ea, is the *most powerful Noble Phantasm contained in the Gate of Babylon and the pinnacle of all those used by Servants.* "
      "...He claims that only Saber and her Excalibur are worthy of fighting it during the Fifth Holy Grail War."
      "Simply looking upon the weapon causes Shirou's senses to cease completely, *and it makes even the greatest Noble Phantasms look like third-rate weapons.* "
      Oh would you look at that, another comment about 'Greatest Noble Phantasms', surely there must be a mistake as Rhongomyniad is 'above the highest ranked Noble Phantasms.' Oh well, and here's the finishing touch.
      『Enuma Elish』
      Rank: EX
      NP Type: Anti-World
      『Excalibur』
      Rank: A++
      NP Type: Anti-Fortress
      『Rhongomyniad』
      Rank: A++
      NP Type: Anti-Fortress

  • @vincentshadetree
    @vincentshadetree Рік тому +74

    Damn that was good, like really good! And let it never be said that you don't know your Fate lore, cause that was a fight I'd love to see animated 😎

    • @tyty12345678910
      @tyty12345678910 Рік тому +3

      Here here. I concurrently agree

    • @prodbykalil2146
      @prodbykalil2146 Рік тому +2

      I definitely agree with this one. Seeing both Factions going all out would be a masterpiece

  • @zacharyt.2694
    @zacharyt.2694 Рік тому +91

    If you added Ruler Karl to the Paladins then they would have a good chance of winning combined with whatever Roland's three miracles could potently do, some possible examples being turning day to night and maybe getting rid of the Knights of the Rounds' blessings if they have them. Durandal could also probably block Rhongomyniad at least once since Hector's Durindana can block Artemis's arrows in LB5 and it turned into Durandal.

    • @zacharyt.2694
      @zacharyt.2694 Рік тому +1

      @Ren_Suzugamori He uses Archer Herc, so he is not just using FGO servents.

    • @zacharyt.2694
      @zacharyt.2694 Рік тому +5

      @Ren_Suzugamori Nine Lives is not a Saber NP but rather at a technique he can use with any weapon, although it was originally a bow. Herc also always has God Hand no matter the class, with the exception of Alcidies, who is an Avenger-Archer hybrid. Even then, he gets King's Order to replace it in order to represent his 12 Labors.

    • @_Koyomi_
      @_Koyomi_ Рік тому +6

      Another issue is that we don't know a lot about the Paladins in Fate. And there are significantly less of them that have been properly introduced especially in comparison to the Argonauts and Knights of the Round.

    • @allthatishere
      @allthatishere Рік тому +1

      Rhongomyniad even that strong? Why doesn't the Lion King just use Excalibur?

    • @_Koyomi_
      @_Koyomi_ Рік тому +4

      @@allthatishere She doesn't have Excalibur. Bedivere didn't return it to the lake, so Merlin transformed Excalibur into his metallic arm

  • @SubmissivePrince
    @SubmissivePrince 10 місяців тому +4

    Medea is a beast for someone who doesn't physically fight... love her. Shes the bestest

  • @demod2080
    @demod2080 Рік тому +13

    I love the mental image of Achilles saying something cold and quiet as he secures the win with his beheading shield throw. Great fight you made, look forward to seeing others

  • @macywhetten821
    @macywhetten821 Рік тому +17

    I like how more than half the round table isn't even in this fight.😂😂

    • @texzoc5560
      @texzoc5560 7 місяців тому

      i mean argonaut have like almost hundred of crew that isnt in this fight ( idk is it correct since i just got it from Wikipedia )

    • @ericx6969
      @ericx6969 7 місяців тому

      speed blitz by dioscuri

  • @jamaldavis3224
    @jamaldavis3224 Рік тому +17

    Achilles always coming in with the clutch. Peak W

  • @maliklofton9148
    @maliklofton9148 Рік тому +4

    You did a good job with your description of the battle. I was able to follow along and envision everything, and it all made sense

  • @84ganta
    @84ganta 11 місяців тому +2

    i was about to comment something but then i remembered that im greek-irish so im biased af...
    i love diving in in that universe,fate is kindom hearts for adults at this point and im here for it.

  • @elgatto3133
    @elgatto3133 Рік тому +37

    rule breaker was clutch this fight, instantly fodderized gawain

    • @wendya881
      @wendya881 Рік тому +11

      After that, the rest of the fight was just folded Gawain struggling.

    • @_Koyomi_
      @_Koyomi_ Рік тому +2

      Yeah, Medea is honestly goated

    • @blizzard1198
      @blizzard1198 Рік тому +1

      ​@@wendya881 She really did him dirty

  • @rajaiskandar2247
    @rajaiskandar2247 Рік тому +19

    Man, seeing you Narrate the fight just makes me excited. I can't for Nasu to add Meleager, Theseus and Peleus. Meleager and Theseus would busted, since both of them were greatly compared to Heracles in terms of feats. Meleager was known for his immortality and Theseus, I don't really have to explain.
    Also, Palamedes and Lamorak would be interesting.
    Since the first was known for defying destiny by slaying the Questing Beast and Merlin himself stated that he saw into the future that Percival would be the one to slay it. Palamedes having an Anti-Destiny/Anti-Fate NP would be sick!
    The second one, Lamorak died while fighting against Gawain, Mordred, Agravain and Gaheris all of them at the same time. He lasted for a while against them and it took a surprise attack from Mordred to be able to take Lamorak down. He was attacked by them because he slept with their mother Morgan. Although, he was mostly seduce by her.

  • @jacobmcgee2053
    @jacobmcgee2053 Рік тому +53

    Banger, but also ranking Archer NPs based on uniqueness would be great.
    Chakrams, infinite swords, sheep, dolphins, slingshot, planets, water guns, fists, lightning, rice bags, eye twists, rainbows, what archers aren’t unique?

    • @joshuamanlapaz9380
      @joshuamanlapaz9380 Рік тому +1

      Dont forget ancient japanese cringe(sei), origami and watermelon

  • @XCaliburLaw
    @XCaliburLaw Рік тому +3

    Enjoyed the video and the way you made it

  • @Youngman191
    @Youngman191 Рік тому +4

    This is a great video. T I saw your videos some years I can’t really remember and this is a testament to how far your scripting skills have come along with research taking into account servant skills while keeping them in character along with knowledge begin a very important part of the fight in general. T I’m very proud to call myself a fan of your channel

    • @Youngman191
      @Youngman191 Рік тому +1

      I’m not to into tsukihime but try a group from there(if any) versus a group from the grand order cast

    • @Youngman191
      @Youngman191 Рік тому +1

      Ex the 13 dead apostles verse the crypters

  • @PhantomNull13
    @PhantomNull13 Рік тому +12

    Morderd feeling mad disrespected? Sounds about right.

  • @mikununi-vers
    @mikununi-vers Рік тому +9

    I hope someone stumbles upon this and animates it. Cause this what if is so good

  • @ch0ven
    @ch0ven Рік тому +15

    Imagine a Fate series like Apoc but with four teams instead of two and they are: Knights of the Round Table, Twelve Paladins of Charlemagne, Hassasin and Argonauts

    • @creaturetransylvania8943
      @creaturetransylvania8943 Рік тому +1

      You mean Hassan's?

    • @ch0ven
      @ch0ven Рік тому +1

      @@creaturetransylvania8943 Hassasin is the name of their order, all Hassans a part of Hassasin(exept No-name Hassan)

    • @creaturetransylvania8943
      @creaturetransylvania8943 Рік тому +1

      @@ch0ven So you are talking about the Hassan's.
      I have never heard them be called the Hassassin.
      I do know their organization is called the Hashshashin.

    • @ch0ven
      @ch0ven Рік тому +1

      @@creaturetransylvania8943 Romanaized version of their oficial persian name is Ḥaššāšīn, where š can be read as either s or sh so both names are right(I wrote the name wrong in my previous comment it must be Hassasin there, with only one s in the end)

    • @creaturetransylvania8943
      @creaturetransylvania8943 Рік тому +1

      @@ch0ven It's more easy to just stick with original way to spell their name or just call them the Hassan's.
      But back to your original comment,as cool as they are they don't really stand a chance against them,even if they tried to manipulate how the flights go they would still end up as causality's when the others groups clash because of the sheer amount of power that they unleash & best case scenario a good amount of them are left with only like three left of one other group,those remaining opponents will have because aware of the Hassan's & force a open fight & in that they don't really stand a chance & those remaining foes will most likely be the most powerful from their group.

  • @alainblandi2885
    @alainblandi2885 11 місяців тому +2

    Now do that but put Saber with Avalon, but also give Heracles EVERYTHING he technically has

  • @Testsbringresults
    @Testsbringresults Рік тому +8

    Man's got the vibe check on lock, thanks for the video

  • @knightofthelake8112
    @knightofthelake8112 Рік тому +9

    The celtic warriors vs the knights of the round table
    Cu alter
    Scathach
    Fionn
    Diarmuid
    Fergus
    Medb
    Anne and Mary
    VS
    Saber artoria
    Lancelot
    Gawain
    Mordred
    Tristan
    Percival
    Agravain

  • @iexist2145
    @iexist2145 Рік тому +20

    Achilles always been the goat he my top ten favorite servants along with heracles being the goat aswell

  • @JoyBoyGiorno
    @JoyBoyGiorno Рік тому +4

    W video per usual Tsiah

  • @Kez_DXX
    @Kez_DXX Рік тому +3

    My favorite part about this matchup was Tristan's commentary about how sad everything is.

  • @xrdpiratejames3187
    @xrdpiratejames3187 Рік тому +14

    To be honest, and to put my two cents into it, we're talking about sane Herc. Like I could easily see him guild the other members to victory. But that's it, appreciate the attention to argonauts there a pretty underrated team if you take out the main hitters

  • @Satsuki_17
    @Satsuki_17 Рік тому +6

    Wasn't expecting this

  • @JiryStark
    @JiryStark Рік тому +6

    I have to disagree. Rhongo CAN'T be stopped by a shield with its built in invul pierce. The second Achilles uses his shield to try and block it, it's game over for him or at least he'd be super f'd up.

    • @ericx6969
      @ericx6969 7 місяців тому

      knights winning only if longinus

  • @chadachi3970
    @chadachi3970 Рік тому +5

    Even though Jason wasn't here for obviously being physically pretty weak, he is still incredibly strong as a leader and his special abilities. Jason can summon up nearly the entirety of the Argonauts if he has good standing by using Astrápste Argo and can buff them with Conquering the Sea with Friends which specifically buffs Argonauts by crazy amounts.
    He also has Inspiration at Death's Door which pretty much allows him to avoid certain death and evade, so if he's ever in danger he can get out of it at least once.
    He's also best friends with Heracles, so you fuck with Jason then you get the rage filled monster coming at you lol

  • @TheOGCoocl
    @TheOGCoocl 8 місяців тому +2

    If we replace heracles’ godhand with his 12 labors phantasm or possibly give him godhand and 12 labors which he would probably have access to at full power, he dog walks this team solo, not really, but he does way too much probably killing 90% of the round table without too much effort.

  • @pv7137
    @pv7137 Рік тому +21

    i mean mordred herself bodied astolfo, sieg, and frankenstein

    • @FizzyPopVevo
      @FizzyPopVevo Рік тому +6

      For real for real, that and the fight between Achilles and the 3 Redsketeers were two of my favorite fights in the anime.

  • @fgostoryteller2168
    @fgostoryteller2168 Рік тому +19

    I feel if the knights could have their Camelot then Medea should have her temple

  • @tonyinfinite5174
    @tonyinfinite5174 Рік тому +6

    More vids like this please
    Raikou's four Shitenno
    Vs The fairy knights

    • @TsiahIV
      @TsiahIV  Рік тому +2

      I'm down for this actually but it would have to be after LB6 comes out. Haven't read it yet

    • @tonyinfinite5174
      @tonyinfinite5174 Рік тому

      @@TsiahIV Oh I thought you did since you seem to heard what happened to Tristan in LB6

  • @joshcooper467
    @joshcooper467 Рік тому +11

    It legitimately frightens me to see how well the selected Knights did versus the Neo Argo. Granted everyone save for the Lion King was just a VERY skilled warrior and the Argo possessed divinity/age of gods level power... I can't even be mad about the result considering how much it took for both sides to even begin squaring up with each other. Well fought Argo, well fought. 👏 Imagine if they had a support Caster like Merlin... Though that would trivialize the fight all things considered. 😂

    • @massimilianoreali4398
      @massimilianoreali4398 Рік тому +5

      If they had merlin would be a instant win for the knight not only merlin is a grand caster but he can summon the garden of avalon pratically nullifyng the switch on saber to lion king

    • @dafazain5978
      @dafazain5978 Рік тому +1

      As much as I like Neo Argo, most of the servant there is a fodder. Only Orion and Achilles are strong enough to win against round table knight

    • @joshcooper467
      @joshcooper467 Рік тому +7

      @@dafazain5978 no lie. Achilles hard carried in the fight in this vid. But that's how he be.

    • @namelessvoid9725
      @namelessvoid9725 Рік тому +2

      @@joshcooper467 Thats how he be!

    • @HumanB312
      @HumanB312 Рік тому +1

      Merlin isn't a knight

  • @rednaxela5960
    @rednaxela5960 Рік тому +1

    This is a very either way fight, I think that the setting is very important too. In a more city-like setting the many ranged attackers of the argonauts would gain advantage, however this xan also work to their disadvantage given how all of the knights noble phantasms are strong enough that it would ignore cover and have lits of range, and them having a false sense of security could easily allow them to be fataly injured from that. Then theres lancelot, who may actually benefit from structures more than the ranged attackers as he can utilize arondights bomb attack in a ranged scenario by throwing a bomed piece of a wall, use it to trap potential cover the argonauts would use, or maybe destroy a building and use the multiple pieces as a chain bomb increasing its potency, maybe even doing it as a last stand type attack. In a more open scenario the ranged attackers gain the attack advantage, but loose the defense advantage. The knights would be easier to hit if they have minimal cover and while the same can be said for the rangers of the argo they can be stalled much easier from their close range fighters. I see this video as more similar to scenario 2 where the ranged attackers dont have to engage and can pull off more support.

  • @xrdpiratejames3187
    @xrdpiratejames3187 Рік тому +3

    This finna be so entertaining

  • @nikamoreillus661
    @nikamoreillus661 Рік тому +1

    Shit just popped up in my recommended and I won’t lie, I have no clue why I watched the entire vid 💀 my brain went blank lol.

  • @Sleepyduo38
    @Sleepyduo38 Рік тому +5

    That would be fun to watch happen in a Grail Front or something similar to Fate/Apocrypha. Are you going to do a video on the scrapped routes and how Shirou and Rin's actions and abilities would be like? What course of action will each of them take each route? I feel like that would be an interesting video on Illya route, Caster route, Rider route and the others that I did not mention.

  • @smugtacular9759
    @smugtacular9759 Рік тому +5

    I think the main cutting point against the KoTR is speed. Like yeah anime stuff equalizes speed but Atalanta, Achilles, Herc, and Caenis (situationally) are so freaking fast and aggressive. They have a gery good shot of speed blitzing and throwijg momentum to the Greeks from the get go. Then Medea doing Rap God in the back with rapid divine words

  • @GreyLeo
    @GreyLeo Рік тому +3

    Yeah we need this animated

  • @kingneteoraire
    @kingneteoraire Рік тому +2

    W vid man!! also common W for Achilles!!

  • @ryuhardt
    @ryuhardt Рік тому +7

    Overall very entertaining video, I actually got hyped listening through. However I feel like Herakles was pretty much wasted here.
    I think the decision to have him in his Archer class was a mistake, simply because we practically know nothing about his skills and noble phantasms in that class, only that he has God Hand and Nine Lives but that's the default equipment for Herakles in all his classes. Seeing Greece's strongest hero be basically side-tracked and do nothing but shoot volleys (which...well, never actually did much) felt lacking, and so I think that even his Berserker counterpart would do better here as he could actually go fight the knights with a weapon one-on-one.
    Nevertheless pretty cool stuff, ARGONAUTS TAKE THE WIN LESGOOOOOO

    • @durrangodsgrief6503
      @durrangodsgrief6503 Рік тому +1

      we actually do know what weapon he had other than nine and god he had the sash and the pelt but here he basically does nothing

    • @ryuhardt
      @ryuhardt Рік тому +2

      @@durrangodsgrief6503 it's not confirmed that the Archer version has the pelt and the sash. This isn't Alcides, it's the real Archer Herakles

    • @namelessvoid9725
      @namelessvoid9725 Рік тому +1

      @Ryuhardt LESGOOOOOOO! lol

  • @TheStuffEnjoyer
    @TheStuffEnjoyer Рік тому +4

    The only problem with this battle is that it favours Gawain since it's daytime. Caenis however is literally getting shafted without her field advantage. She should have used her seafarring authority to transport near water or use the water she summons to empower herself.
    I wonder if Caenis merely being on a battlefield with water nearby would have empowered her enough to force the Lion King to deal with her directly, Lancer to Lancer.

  • @phonegamer1587
    @phonegamer1587 Рік тому +19

    I would like to see an Ozymandias power and abilities explained, "don't sleep on ozymandias"

    • @ryanbelcher25rb
      @ryanbelcher25rb Рік тому +2

      He ain't Muda that's for sure.

    • @phonegamer1587
      @phonegamer1587 Рік тому +1

      True lol the king of kings certainly is up there in terms of regular servants

    • @aki4768
      @aki4768 Рік тому +2

      Bro, Ozy's on Gilgamesh's level and his Ramesseum Tentyris is hella busted too. Also his NP has anti-purge defenses.

  • @bowenmosie
    @bowenmosie Рік тому +1

    Merlin coming back from peeking into other reality
    Merlin: what the hell happen here ?!?!

  • @TomHateTacos
    @TomHateTacos Рік тому +3

    MY BOY ACHILLES

  • @Knightfall138
    @Knightfall138 Рік тому +31

    Divinity often a problem too 😂and have you tried any servant skills and abilities

  • @zico739
    @zico739 Рік тому +7

    Why would anyone think the Knights for the Round Table were over the Argonauts? Greek Myth beats anything else in Western mythos.

    • @mochii813
      @mochii813 Рік тому +1

      Artoria is just better than the Greek jobbers fr

    • @roftar
      @roftar 10 місяців тому

      What makes you think that?

    • @promc2890
      @promc2890 4 місяці тому +2

      Comparing irl myths to fate lore is stupid.
      Excalibur literally killed the being that wiped out the entire greek pantheon in Fate.

  • @fluffdafire157
    @fluffdafire157 Рік тому +6

    I know she wouldn't do much but I'd love to see saber Jason vs Gareth in this match up

  • @kevingiron2848
    @kevingiron2848 Рік тому +1

    Awesome scenario, would love to see a don’t sleep on video for Achilles

  • @MtnMedea
    @MtnMedea Рік тому

    7:04 I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE

  • @carlossique9604
    @carlossique9604 Рік тому +3

    Heracles being an absolute bro to Achilles

  • @yandereneko5523
    @yandereneko5523 Рік тому

    Great video. Love the Fate/ series.

  • @Fragesed
    @Fragesed Рік тому +6

    Putting respect on the Shielder Class, too bad Achilles ended the life of another beastly beauty

  • @kylekgh
    @kylekgh Рік тому

    "gwain from the back" as Riley would say. "pause"

  • @Greennaris_Rater
    @Greennaris_Rater Рік тому +3

    Seems kiiiinda ufair to me. I mean, some of knights even didn't have a chance against that 3/4 divine team. I also don't know about Percival too much, so i didn't get the thing about him with Mordred breaking through the wave. Is his fantasm the spear which pierced Jesus? Possibly have more uses than...
    I guess if u would to add somebody to the knights, such as Agravain, things would be more fair. Adding Galahad would result in banger and even possibly the win of Round Table, but we don't know much about him in his saber class, and him being shielder would grant win to the knights (if his shield works like Mash's, i don't really know that)

  • @yoomene
    @yoomene Рік тому +1

    Great video as allways , but i might think that one hit on Ryongomidiad would be enought end the battle Achilles being the wildcard as allays

  • @jamesknott5255
    @jamesknott5255 Рік тому +2

    I just find it hilarious that the Lion King is using Rhongomyniad instantaneously, and with no apparent build/charge up time, and evidently no one can see that it’s about to hit 😂

  • @thirdplanet4471
    @thirdplanet4471 Рік тому +3

    Have you ever thought of doing fate servants vs characters from other franchises? For example, Gilgamesh vs Reinhard (dies irae)

  • @Nasah-uy6ep
    @Nasah-uy6ep Рік тому +1

    In terms of personality and backgrounds, can we consider Kirei Kotomine and Raiden from MGS and MGR similar? Both of them are child assassin, bouth of them never lived their live befour meeting certen character, Kirei met Gil, and Raiden mest Solid, bouth of them are born murdurer and an outside impuls awake that murderous side, Kirei side was awoke by Angra-Manyu, Raiden side was awoke mostly by Sam and Monsoon.

  • @renton0915
    @renton0915 Рік тому +3

    Basically, the Knights of the round table are practically at a peak level that they have to match off with Age of Gods' heroes.
    Plus power level isn't everything. Its versatility of their NP. E.g. is Emiya killed Hercules 6 times in a row with his Kanshou & Byakuya & these guys aren't peak level weapons. He strengthened them enought to make Divinity not matter. The Knights of the Round has a number of Divine weapons in their arsenal so that's an advantage on their part.

  • @keekee6835
    @keekee6835 Рік тому +1

    We need more vs my boy💯

  • @husseneluis9163
    @husseneluis9163 Рік тому +2

    Make a video about the fuyuki war but every servant is the strongest version of themselves like salter, hercules alter, and the masters are servants too.

  • @evoction
    @evoction Рік тому +9

    Btw, how strong is charlemagne in fate lore since charlemagne irl is called the father of Europe so I imagine him to be pretty strong

    • @thefreaks8926
      @thefreaks8926 Рік тому +1

      Saber Charlemagne is a pretty strong servant, and ruler Charlemagne is really strong.

    • @ii3lazelordz267
      @ii3lazelordz267 Рік тому +2

      Saber Charlemagne is compared to "top servants" within Fate Extra, so he'd be on par with anyone in stay night
      He's a very powerful servant

    • @young_dieg0301
      @young_dieg0301 Рік тому

      ​@@ii3lazelordz267 He's not touching Gil, Salter or normal Artoria.

    • @young_dieg0301
      @young_dieg0301 Рік тому +1

      strong enough to match Karna in CQC and in NP battle

    • @Soluxya
      @Soluxya Рік тому +4

      Saber Charlie matches up against the likes of Karna, Scathach, Altera and others. Ruler Karl is probably one of the strongest Servants before any of the Lostbelt shenanigans.

  • @alexparkins1409
    @alexparkins1409 Рік тому +7

    I have a question about Heracles wouldn't he have both god hand as well kings order it's not really a case where he has one or the other since kings order is he's labours and god hand was he's resurrection into a god after he completed his labours so in this battle where no one nerfs he's powers wouldn't he have both?

    • @massimilianoreali4398
      @massimilianoreali4398 Рік тому

      If i am not wrong kings order was a modification of god hand when the grail corrupted him or could be because he not already made all of his labours when he was on the argo

  • @soralight_x
    @soralight_x Рік тому +1

    Achilles turns into a Zombie! 😮

  • @kashinovirus7278
    @kashinovirus7278 Рік тому +1

    They look like football teams.

  • @ashkirby8896
    @ashkirby8896 Рік тому +1

    Okay, but what would happen if the Knights Of The Red Branch, Knights Of The Round Table, 12 Paladins Of Charlemagne, and the Argonauts fought against each in a battle royale between each group of legendary heroes/knights?😄😏😎

  • @trixtheghostwalker6634
    @trixtheghostwalker6634 6 місяців тому +1

    I'm just gonna ask here the Avenger class servants( no summer variants) vs the pseudo servants

  • @krism.6598
    @krism.6598 Рік тому +8

    We all know Medea would instantly backstab Jason for her precious Saber-chan.

  • @creaturetransylvania8943
    @creaturetransylvania8943 Рік тому

    Haha 5:07 I'm just seeing the A-Team.

  • @yacineidir7616
    @yacineidir7616 Рік тому

    The only x factor here is that sane hereclues. The only instance we have is from fate strange which isn't completed, but based on what he did to gil i bet he would blitz lion king

  • @antonioro1229
    @antonioro1229 Рік тому +1

    you know what i just thought about, that i think would be an interesting video to make. Who are some fictional candidates for the remaining grand servant classes that we don't know about.
    I noticed this on both a few of your videos and from other channels. Everyone when trying to guest who the next grand servant will be. They always try to use some real life example from history or ancient mythology. And as cool as that is and all. But how come no one has used any fictional character examples from the public domain.
    I mean we got foreigner class servants who are based (Mostly) on real life people having made a deal (Mostly) with various eldritch gods from the lovecraft mythos. We got two different versions of Paul Bunyon, We have Sherlock Holmes, and James Moritary. All of which are fictional or based on fictional characters. Hell we even got two different versions of vlad the impaler. One of which is based on his real life description, which the other one was based on the idea of his appearance from Dracula.
    Hell imagine grand berserker being Tarzan, or grand saber being Conan the Barbarian.
    Then on top of that. We got the alter ego class with them being a bunch of gods and other servants clamped into one package. so yeah
    Then you got all them psudo servants, artifical servants, one of whom i believe became the grand lancer, as from what I understand from people who explained it. Grand lancer wasn't even real to begin with, rather just a regular lancer that was altered by a number of factors before having the grand title slapped on to him in order to deal with the situation presented.
    And that kinda brings up another point. What about the remaining grand servants being alternate versions of current servants. I mean doing a video on current servants and characters who could potentially be a grand servant could be good right? I mean given that we have orion as a servant that is operated by artamis, only to learn that he had a grand servant form known as super orion. Are they the same person but from different points in their history, or are they from different realities. Grand Lancer is simiar as well. Having two different versions of himself being active. One as a grand, and the other as a normal servent.
    Plus we have all them other servants with alternate classes but are actually the same servant taken from different points of their history or from alternate realities. Could the remaining grands be an alternate version of an existing character. Like say grand saber being Merlin, or Roland.
    Then lastly you have the type-moon OG franchises such as melty blood and the original fate stay night. I mean with the number of characters that are original to type-moon themselves. I mean they included Shirou and Kiritsugu, along with Shiki Ryougi, and Acruaid as servants. I mean would it be strange if we find out that grand saber was actually a version of Shirou from one of the three Stay/Night timelines, or grand berserker being Gudako or some something. I mean, it's just a thought that I don't see being explored all that much.

  • @ThePaeppa
    @ThePaeppa Рік тому +1

    I do kind of have to wonder
    Was the Herakles sacrifice really necessary there at the end? Would the shield have just gone up in flames if he didn't tank a hit then?... And would he have been able to finish Lion King off in the aftermath of Achilles getting offed instead of him, seeing as it was Lion Kings last charge of Rhongo and Herakles still had plenty of Nine Lives left

    • @uliseslopez4639
      @uliseslopez4639 Рік тому +1

      I thought Achilles was gonna save Herc with akhilleus kosmos, but Herc wouldn't have enough fire power , so this option wasn't all bad.

    • @ThePaeppa
      @ThePaeppa Рік тому

      @@uliseslopez4639 Not saying it was bad. Just asking if this was a feasible alternate

  • @gneoz7238
    @gneoz7238 Рік тому +1

    If the Argonauts play more defensively I think they would have the advantage. They out range the Knights. Atalanta, Heracles archer, and Medea would just barrage them with range attacks until the knights are worn out. While the speedsters would use their overwhelming speed to defend from the knights' charges and Asclepius would keep the entire team healthy. Tristan would not be able to defend by itself so he would need help from Gawain's noble phantasm. Rhongomydiad could breach through the defense but there is a cool down to it. The knights aren't weaker they just got outrange.

  • @ranonjyke53
    @ranonjyke53 Рік тому +14

    I liked how you made this into a story but I can't agree with you on the outcome.
    Lion King alone would beat all the Argos.In Camelot she could use an attack that has 1000 - 3000 × more magical energy than top ranked Noble Phantasms which include the anti fortress photon ray,Vasavi Shakti and Excalibur Morgan. So her regular Rhongomiad(Lancer Artoria's output) use would be 1000-3000 not 3 to 4. Her Rhongomiad's would be much stronger if she's using her max output instead of Lancer Artoria's max. She can make barriers that can block 2 Dendera Bulbs so nothing the Argos have should be enough to kill her.
    Using Lancer Artoria or Saber Alter would make it a closer fight

    • @firexgaming6682
      @firexgaming6682 Рік тому +3

      I can agree. The knight’s of the round table should of had a higher chance even though they are still missing some of the members.

    • @ranonjyke53
      @ranonjyke53 Рік тому +2

      @@firexgaming6682 true
      they had higher quality fighters even without Lion King

    • @aki4768
      @aki4768 Рік тому +1

      Yeah he shouldve used Lancer Artoria instead of Lion King/Goddess Rhongomyniad.

    • @chavaspada
      @chavaspada Рік тому +1

      Achilles >>>>> Lion King. Hector's spear is equal to Excalibur and that >> Rhongo, Achilles wins.

    • @ONW4V3R
      @ONW4V3R Рік тому

      @@chavaspada no it's not lmao

  • @intellectual_69
    @intellectual_69 Рік тому +1

    W video idea

  • @Crabwithshank
    @Crabwithshank Рік тому +1

    avalon takes mana though- in her real life it did also achillies would functionally stall saber out indefinitely if i recall he does not fatigue, and also what round table member is denying the honorable duel NP he has

  • @raphaelannau5705
    @raphaelannau5705 Рік тому +1

    Caenis with 2 kills go crazy

  • @kano5256
    @kano5256 Рік тому

    Honestly I’m surprised Heracles didn’t make it but the lives can be whittled down

  • @ryusof6
    @ryusof6 Рік тому +2

    So Sad Percival didn't use his NP in this scenario. Just obliterated alongside Mordred from the Rhongominyad.

    • @TsiahIV
      @TsiahIV  Рік тому

      He did use his phantasm and the Lion king didnt even touch them. Caenis killed them. Were you listening?

    • @ryusof6
      @ryusof6 Рік тому

      @@TsiahIV I did mostly confused. Thank you for replying and explain more detail ☺️.

    • @TsiahIV
      @TsiahIV  Рік тому +1

      thanks for watching

  • @vort7716
    @vort7716 Рік тому

    Don't forget that we have less info about Theseus in Fate and we only know that he is as strong as his cousin Heracles.

  • @absoluteangel2962
    @absoluteangel2962 Рік тому +2

    I’m surprised you didn’t use Heracles is Pandora noble phantasm to steal away Rhonghomyniad

    • @TsiahIV
      @TsiahIV  Рік тому +4

      Archer herc doesn't have pandora. That move is unique to Alcides.

  • @BaTaTaFlAvIo
    @BaTaTaFlAvIo Рік тому +1

    You could do the round table vs the fae round table from lb6

    • @dafazain5978
      @dafazain5978 Рік тому

      Bruh fae round round table will dominate mostly thanks to Melusine being Albion, the oldest dragon in the world

    • @TsiahIV
      @TsiahIV  Рік тому

      Good choice but as I've already mentioned in the video, I won't be doing the Kotr for a while. You'll have to find another team to go against the Fae

  • @christianlarkin2632
    @christianlarkin2632 Рік тому

    Ima need this animated

  • @bingobongo73
    @bingobongo73 Рік тому +3

    Great fight even with archer Heracles being an odd character to power scale since he doesn't actually have feats outside of alcides though most of the archer feats should be comparable. I do think Heracles could face tank a full force rhongo and walk it off with a life or battle continuation propping him up since in LB5 he does apparently take 2 full powered shots from Artemis's anti world noble phantasm but thats kinda just guess work since god hand doesn't exactly show how many lives each beam attack takes from him
    but yeah the argonauts should win by virtue of greater versatility among the fighters and Heracles and Achilles being near the top of heroic spirits as a whole with only king arthur managing to be at that level among her knights.
    funnily enough Heracles could be considered a member of both parties as Arthurian mythos created Marmyadose to link king Arthur to the legendary Hercules though we don't know how a saber class herc would go about things

    • @durrangodsgrief6503
      @durrangodsgrief6503 Рік тому

      archer her is stronger than his altered variant all there things Alcides can do herc can do better on top of hitting harder

  • @leaf1469
    @leaf1469 Рік тому +1

    How about Roman Rulers vs the Knights of the Round?

  • @ddb9304
    @ddb9304 Рік тому +1

    Imagine this with Alcides............squashed completely. What about a KoTR vs Ozymandias And Gilgamesh? I wanna see Gawain squashed by the Sun Pharao so bad.

  • @alitaqi6222
    @alitaqi6222 Рік тому +1

    Why are there Knights of the Round Table that did not appear in the film only? It was mentioned that they fought them. Do they have pictures or designs because there are their shadows and other things about them, but not pictures?

    • @Ani-me2
      @Ani-me2 Рік тому

      gareth pervival Sir Kau etc were in the film but were offscreened by the others before the film

  • @richardwalker2881
    @richardwalker2881 Рік тому +1

    Let's see, oh wait, here we have the typical curbstomp, most of the Argonauts will die in the first few minutes, not only that, but if we allow both Medea and Merlin to get both groups to switch classes, it will still be a curbstomp, as it was stated that fate zero grail war servants were stronger than fsn grail war servants, which means it could be theoretical that berserker Lancelot was stronger than berserker Hercules, plus b Lancelot can actually steal of their weapons, plus there is gwain being their version of escanoir, him being the knight who can bring out the sun, plus artoria can gender switch into Arthur and use thee most powerful version of Excalibur to one hit ko all of thee Argonauts