One of our exchange student from Europe who attended Dr Mzileni's module says he is the best lecturer they have ever had. They wish when they go back to Europe they would be taught by similar scholars. He evoked something in them. They are grateful.
Dr Mzileni is the kind of leaders we must not shove under the carpet. Let's preserve our intelligentsia. Please stay visible, Prof. I'm conferring the title to him today. Any responsible academic institutions must take note. Actually they are late not to have noticed that we have such a caliber for an academic.
I read Dr Mzileni's columns in The Sowetan Newspaper. His description of our condition is raw, crisp and clear, no sugarcoating. Such truths, the enemy and the dishonest, cannot stand. A few years back, he would have been "removed from society ". We've seen it happen to Bantu Biko,etc. Sadly, he was stopped from writing for the paper and persecuted by his varsity. Ume njalo Nyawose. Bayede
Thank you Nelson Mandela University for producing such a gem. These are the type of scholars that UFS actually needs. I hope UFS will now leave him alone and rather focus on fixing itself. Dr Mzileni is guaranteed of a very bright future in higher education 🙏🏾🔥
10 minutes into the conversation and I can totally relate with Dr. Mzileni’s sentiments as a UFS Alumni and former employee. What a conversation. These are conversations that we should have openly and without fear and prejudice. Thank you Dr. Mzileni for opening up about your experiences at that institution. I have been taught by academics at that institution who are white yet they don’t have even a postgraduate diploma, but in turn a black academic is expected to have a Doctorate/Phd in the discipline
Hello Sizwe for this opportunity and that is why I will always support your channel. And thank you for inviting us Dr Mzileni who I want to be working with in future. In my Academy
Dr Pedro will definitely find a space where he belongs & where he is appreciated! He is a bright mind & needs to be protected at all costs, we need scholars like him who tell the truth about real issues. I wish him nothing but success! Aluta! ✊🏾
It feels like im listening to an interview in 1976, nothing has changed its extremely disturbing. Thank you Sizwe for giving Dr Pedro the platform to share his story
I am just glad and happy that I got to be supervised by this man during my Honours year in Nelson Mandela University. I learnt a lot and continue to do so from him🙌❤️
And it seems they are the only political organisation prepared to face racism head on, all the others just bury their heads in the sand in hope that it will just disappear. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. What you won't confront persists!
South African society has a long way to go. There are certain people/races that thrive on intimidation tactics, this has worked for them during apartheid and to a certain extent still does. We need strong and ethical leadership that will not be apologetic about doing the right thing.
One of my cousins, who attends at UFS, used to call me excited about your lectures. She was really fascinated about your delivery. She was shocked when heard that you're being charged and there sinester complaints about you.
I am at Yale University listening to Dr. Mzileni and so proud of being South African and from Bloemfontein. Our children are miseducated and the University of the Free State. They are not allowed to be critical thinkers at a learning institution, yet Dr. Mzileni the beacon of hope has left them intellectually bankrupt. Wherever you will end Dr. Mzileni do not give up. Our communities will never survive this onslaught brutality. This is an animal farm episode and we cannot tolerate it coloniality. You are a brilliant scholar and the world needs people of our caliber.
As an NMU alumna, Pedro, you were so spot on with the description of the culture of the Nelson Mandela University. It is evident even in the workplace, OMG. Thank you for highlighting that! All the best with your future. I have no doubt that you'll be great as you've always been.
I remember that I never attended class but when I went to 1 class so every Tuesday and Thursday because he would be opening my eyes in various ways about poverty, school system, politics.
The Freestate missed the golden opportunity. He does not just talk. He has living affection for empowering and relating with students to the extent that he can drag the meeting just to educate even the most hostile and antagonizing foe would feel the embrace of this product of the NMU. The guest Dr Pedro is the product of Nelson Mandela University who began as a student and occupied the leading roles in the students government development. Mzileni would not have apologized even if a gun was placed on his head. Come back home Pedro and we will see you Embizweni. This is our future registrar. Uhambo lube lude. Buyela ekhaya nyana womgquba.
Beautiful interview thank you Dr Mihlali for your contributions to transformation and decolonisation. That university will never be the same and that is because of you.
Greetings'what a powerful debate ones again, Mr Mzileni may God be with you and know this we won't be silenced forever someday a revolution will have take place white people or not....... This is time!!
Kudos to you Sizwe! You are truly making education fashionable. You are so young (youthful) to have a PhD. Again you are also displaying a fair amount of independence and a clear head.
Hey Sizwe I don't know if you have time. Kindly give us 4 to 5 such episodes for those of us who have a boring December. I'm even thinking of parking this one.
Dr. Mzileni I have no means to express my excitement. I sometimes loose hope when I see and hear our people put up with nonsense of this settlers. Yaa one day we will be freed by you and your likes like host. Oh even if things are like this in our country, but it is not all lost. Keep up the good work. Keep on speaking, keep on educating.
To them it’s not about money, it’s about ridiculing and making black people look or seem like ‘nothing’. That’s how deep their hatred is. Teaching black people about apartheid threatens them because they’re afraid black people will know the truth.
This is actually very sad to hear. I can't believe that in 2023 Academics can still be persecuted for teaching about colonialism and racism. How are we supposed to progress?! How else are we supposed to heal?
Heal? Black people? dont make me laugh. The ANC and EFF have been perpetuating black peoples inferiority complex and for the longest time have never taught them to evolve and move beyond the past, but to always be there at every turn scratching at old wounds and refusing to allow the people to move beyond always being told they will only be victims, oppressed by someone. And every time other races so much as insults a black man, the ANC and especially the EFF is there to point and say "see, see we told you these people are racits" every fking time. The rest of the world is so fking tired of these tantrums and this self obsession and attacking of other people because you have nothing better to do. Everyone else is making a success of themselves and here is the majority, still assuming everyone is scheming against them. And that is exactly what the EFF wants people to believe. Nobody cares let me tell you that much, and the reason people attack the EFF and ANC is for the reason that they will only bring stagnation and more racialism.
As a coloured male during my internship at UFS, I experienced similar situations and disciplinary enquiries. What was most scathing, and an experiential trauma that still lives with me, is that 95% of my evaluators/supervisors were white females. I wrote a scathing quarterly portfolio report, where I highlighted my experiences and the lack of cultural sensitivity. Swept under the rug. I was treated slightly better but noone spoke about it. The Department I studied under, again, mostly white. I am the 1st and only coloured Masters postgraduate in the history of that specific Department. It is an ambition of mine to be a lecturer in that Department, albeit it a challenging given that there is currently 1 black Dr., the HOD is coloured, and the rest of the Academic staff are white.
These are just scare tactics by a defeated ideology based on idiocy of racial superiority. Qhubeka Mntakwe uThixo ukhona futhi akukho nto ingenasizathu nasiphelo!
While waiting for Matshela Koko podcast a decided to listen to this one... Sizwe, thank you so much for bringing another fantastic guest to our screens! Dr Mzileni, you're a treasure to all Africans... continue teaching my brother and remaining strong in your beliefs. All the best to you and your family! Enkosi mtshana!
And perpetuate the same old mindsets, inflate egos and to poke at the peoples inferiority complex. Yeah very constructive idea. Its your own stagnation youll perpetuate voting for the same old same old over and over. When are you gonna learn how to think, not be told what to think by other people? Do you even fact check anyone or do you just eat up the bull the feed you? This is the difference between a successful people and a stagnant one.
Probably the best interview I've ever watched on your podcast (well I've said the same with many others). The example of Makerere University...is also brilliant...that's where he belongs...the perfect home for such scholarship in Africa...in my view.
This is a refreshing conversation. The issues discussed from 50:40 concerning the lack of support from colleagues draws my attention. There could be numerous reasons causing the lack support. Among others is that some positions in academia are held by non-South Africans who are not here to question the status quo, another reason is that there is high unemployment in the country and everybody fear unemployment.
Nelson Mandela said that they did that which they were able to do and so therefore as youngsters we must do our part. The struggle against apartheid and white domination was not won by the ANC/SACP/COSATU coalition. The late Samora Machel the former President of Mozambique said: "ALUTA CONTINUA!!!"
Thanks Sizwe - brilliant conversation with Doc. Mzileni - so much information and just sharpness from Doc. absolute genius - Thanks again 4 inviting him through - u r really maturing Sizwe - where r ur AFRICAN SHIRTS??? - We miss you in them - cos we could see that they r tailormade just 4 u - Keep up the good work & much luv 2 ur mom - Ms Terry......God bless u & ur team.......🌴🐟🦖🪳🪴🍀🌻
Great debate. Freedom of speech is a vital part of any democracy. Challenges to perspectives also form part of the debate. This is referred to as robust debate. Let’s respect the power of debate.
Last week I finished a book... Cry Our beloved country...that book opened my eyes and made this phase of black consciousness we are going through much more relevant to why we need land...how whites think of blacks and how black were treated and continue to be treated...I also read Dancing in the Dust which come together very well with cry our beloved country....
This interview was top tier. The penny dropped when Doc mentioned white people never move to "black areas" but it's vice versa. I never thought of it that way and what that means. UFS is a racist university. I applaud Dr Mzileni for being non-apologetic about destroying racism. We will fight whiteness and it's racism. This is Afrika✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿
And your method is to be more racist. Because the last time i checked nobody used the race card except black people, nobody stands on podiums threatening people because of the colour of their skin except black people, nobody except black people constantly racialise everything like that is the deciding factor in everything in life, there are over a 100 different affirmative actions laws against minorities to "protect black people" from them, the most in history, ever. If anything we need to defeat blackness and this black obsession, as you can clearly see, your people are getting nowhere while minorities are still more successful across the board in spite of the government's constant scapegoating of them. Your like children who think you can tell the adults how the world works, you have no history of successful nation building, and you blame your lack of skills on others anyway while having done nothing in 30 year to evolve as a people. You hate others but you still rely on them to change your diapers.
I have always known that Pedro when Pedro successfully climbed the achelons of academic, he would NOT be a psuedo-critical thinker or educator. His contribution and insightin our Sociology third year were out of this world (I was always taking notes, even though we the same age or even older to him. I'm truly proud of Dr Mzileni's work, and wish him all the best with his 'Pedagogy of the Oppressed'. In fact he reminds me Paulo Freire. Also keep the fire burning Dr Mpofu-Walsh.... LOVE & RESPECT my brothers.✊
“Being silent is advancing the status quo” This is so accurate Dr. Mzileni, your sentiments resonate with those of Sihle Bolani in her book where she was voicing out her experiences of racism, injustice and inequality at a corporate institution.
This man's words are true. I sadly cannot even speak of my own experience, because I still work there. Keep challenging these racist institutions. I am holding on till I get my PHD and then leave. This interview took courage. Great session gentlemen.
Please bring Zuma back to the podcast brother. I’m sure you have questions and thank you for giving this man Dr Pedro a platform to create awareness of the injustices in universities and creating a space for dialogue. People who aren’t in universities wouldn’t know what happening yet it impacts them.
My take home from this thought provoking conversation is that we have failed as Africans and we have something urgent to fix...and it's long overdue. So the behaviour of the likes of said institution and some whites who are stubborn and reluctant to change is not new. Why aren't black people pooling resources to build their own institutions of higher learning? We have so many gifted African academics who would thrive in Afro-centric institutions...so what's so difficult there? We don't even need to ask Robert Gumede and Patrice Motsepe as Julius once said...but really now, let's start looking at that as a possible solution.
This was so good yet so frustrating. I'm tempted to say that the lack of transparency and support from the university is telling; that maybe someone within the university was pushing this censorship. I hope things went in his favour at the Human Rights Commission. There's nothing wrong with calling a thing a thing, and people who are uncomfortable should do some introspection as to why it makes them uncomfortable.
To think that even academics are targeted when they tell their truth is astounding. This is how we feel in the private sector, we are intimidated into submission. Even when we see something wrong we can't say it because of fear of victimization. It's like being on a chokehold.
Its sad that 30 years after democracy people still experience the legacy of apartheid on a daily basis. It means we must have started badly . However not too late to reverse those apartheid monsters!!!
I ensure I make them uncomfortable too. I have made this my motto. I can be called an angry black woman I dont care. Next step is to work on black people who are deputy whites
One word, Dr. became a threat to UFS. To them the black community is suppose to be ignorant, or rather act dumb, they will feed you, protect you, make you rich according to this embarrassing accepted reality. I like how He reminded us that knowledge is power, we can't keep accepting and self oppressing ourselves while we know we can do better, that must end. Thank you for being brave and so determined Dr. 🤝
i have just been privileged to be enlightened by your conversation with Dr Mzileni, Sizwe. Not so many are birthed in this mould . If it was not conspicuous, i venture to disclose that the litany of items he traversed are equally applicable in the corporate environment … in voluminous and volcanic proportions. it’s shameful , sickening and pathetic -egregiously so.
We must keep fighting those who have watched and teach others the truth. We are not going to be silenced and told how to heal, we must tell our story as it is and if they feel uncomfortable let's tell it as it is until it becomes a norm.
Dr Siz, I've listened to a few of your interviews and I think this is one where "holding the space" is more important than interjection. There were a few moments in the interview where I was eagerly awaiting for the story to unfold and as it was unfolding, you interjected with a remark or a question which has some nuanced effect on how the narrative continued. Perhaps a more balanced approach of leveraging on your guest's strengths is needed. In some cases "holding the space" is creating safety, in some cases, it is nudging. Great as always, thanks.
Dr P Mzileni reminds me of what vusi thembekwayo said about society that it's nothing but a system of normalized averages, the system has been designed to be in a particular order so that there can be no disorder, that's why we have laws,rules and etiquette. They have coded and structured in a way that they'll say this is good behavior and the good behavior is "go to school, get matric, go to university, get a job, buy a house, get married, have kids, enjoy your career until you retire at age 60". And when you try to break the system, society doesn't understand that's why most people don't get support and become alone. But in the case of Dr mzileni,because of his political education that is not wanted by the system he got support from a few people politically educated as him and the majority of his students whom he educated about how the system works. Well done doc, the little political group you educated, faithfully, it will make a political difference to the future generations. Be happy that the smallest impact it had started with now matters more than anything
I have a swam of stories from ex-academic staff from UFS. I cannot be wrong - because I myself, being Black has been part of UFS since 2005. Between 2021 - 2022, I had to fight for (1) fair salary parity via my attorneys and for lecturing without even (2) office cubicle/room allocated to me, until I opted for resignation. Students, adult as they are - told me they see I am ill-treated, silent and resilient to be a productive lecturer. Employees@UFS have not a SINGLE bone of solidarity - they watch you battle solo, or they themselves succumb to stroke, blood pressure, resignation etc putting a hardy face to please elitist structural authority solidified by UFS subtle apartheid institutional culture. I am free now - running towards opening my own genuine Afrocentric university#ZAWADI NPC.
I don't like the way Sizwe conducts his interviews. He should let the guy talk and only interrupt when necessary. I would listen to Dr Pedro from morning to sunrise
Dr Pedro Mzileni, We are POORER at UFS With Your December 29, 2023 Resignation! Your short stay at UFS was Decolonizing Refreshingly Honest. We, _African_ South African Black Scholars in the South African Universities Have Been Pushed Under the Bus by _ANC Government, and it's Higher Education Ministry Leadership. Especially those Black South African Academics Whose scholarship and teaching are on Decolonization on the Curriculum in the University. 30 Years We Must Have A Change in 2024!!! RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT DR PEDRO MZILENI RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT. Professor Neo Lekgotla laga Ramoupi, Department of History University of the Free State (UFS).
Thank you Sizwe for this, I will wait for Dr Lwazi Lushaka now from UCT, as they are facing some crisis at that UCT infact 4 black now will be investigated some fired.
Shuuu!!😭😭😭 What the Good Dr shed was just inhumane. We’re often criticised when we say African People cannot be racist, this is exactly what we’re talking about. We can prejudicial and discriminate against other races yes but we do not have the backing a system designed around our prejudice. We hope the Dr Pedro will find an institution he can be free at to implement, challenge and Improve the current system. Dr. Sizwe can we please get Dr. Lwazi Lushaba before he goes to the US 🤞🏾🤞🏾
One of our exchange student from Europe who attended Dr Mzileni's module says he is the best lecturer they have ever had. They wish when they go back to Europe they would be taught by similar scholars. He evoked something in them. They are grateful.
Dr Mzileni is the kind of leaders we must not shove under the carpet. Let's preserve our intelligentsia. Please stay visible, Prof. I'm conferring the title to him today. Any responsible academic institutions must take note. Actually they are late not to have noticed that we have such a caliber for an academic.
I read Dr Mzileni's columns in The Sowetan Newspaper. His description of our condition is raw, crisp and clear, no sugarcoating.
Such truths, the enemy and the dishonest, cannot stand. A few years back, he would have been "removed from society ". We've seen it happen to Bantu Biko,etc.
Sadly, he was stopped from writing for the paper and persecuted by his varsity.
Ume njalo Nyawose. Bayede
Thank you Nelson Mandela University for producing such a gem. These are the type of scholars that UFS actually needs. I hope UFS will now leave him alone and rather focus on fixing itself. Dr Mzileni is guaranteed of a very bright future in higher education 🙏🏾🔥
10 minutes into the conversation and I can totally relate with Dr. Mzileni’s sentiments as a UFS Alumni and former employee. What a conversation. These are conversations that we should have openly and without fear and prejudice. Thank you Dr. Mzileni for opening up about your experiences at that institution. I have been taught by academics at that institution who are white yet they don’t have even a postgraduate diploma, but in turn a black academic is expected to have a Doctorate/Phd in the discipline
He just got into our institution University of Zululand......and yeses he is the best, such gold right in front of us❤
What a treasure. It’s such a shame that he was targeted. I would hope his passion would not be dimmed by this experience.
Hello Sizwe for this opportunity and that is why I will always support your channel. And thank you for inviting us Dr Mzileni who I want to be working with in future. In my Academy
Dr Pedro will definitely find a space where he belongs & where he is appreciated! He is a bright mind & needs to be protected at all costs, we need scholars like him who tell the truth about real issues.
I wish him nothing but success! Aluta! ✊🏾
I salute you Dr Mzileni 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
I got the chance to attend some of his lectures and am pleased to say he opened my eyes in so many ways
It feels like im listening to an interview in 1976, nothing has changed its extremely disturbing. Thank you Sizwe for giving Dr Pedro the platform to share his story
Dr should apply for a report through to Access to information Act
I am just glad and happy that I got to be supervised by this man during my Honours year in Nelson Mandela University. I learnt a lot and continue to do so from him🙌❤️
Beautiful interview Dr Mzimeli owes the public a book.
After hearing this u will understand why EFF behaves the way it does ❤💚🖤
And it seems they are the only political organisation prepared to face racism head on, all the others just bury their heads in the sand in hope that it will just disappear. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. What you won't confront persists!
He is speaking the EFF language
As ANC corruption & incompetence fails the black child the whites will be hated more and more. We see it in the rise of the EFF.
People in this country see what they want to see.
Eff its fine where they are.
I could listen to Dr Mzileni speak all day! What an intelligent man.
Brilliant interview. The only bad thing about this interview is the fact that it comes to an end 🙏🏾👏🏾🔥
Very true...
There are 26 universities in South Africa. I dare at least ONE of them to personally approach him. The UFS did not and does not deserve such gold.
South African society has a long way to go. There are certain people/races that thrive on intimidation tactics, this has worked for them during apartheid and to a certain extent still does. We need strong and ethical leadership that will not be apologetic about doing the right thing.
This can only be fixed if we take power from the racists
One of my cousins, who attends at UFS, used to call me excited about your lectures. She was really fascinated about your delivery.
She was shocked when heard that you're being charged and there sinester complaints about you.
Dr Pedro is the best spokesperson of black people. We love you so much please be strong sir.
This was EXCELLENT. Thank you to both of you.
I am at Yale University listening to Dr. Mzileni and so proud of being South African and from Bloemfontein. Our children are miseducated and the University of the Free State. They are not allowed to be critical thinkers at a learning institution, yet Dr. Mzileni the beacon of hope has left them intellectually bankrupt. Wherever you will end Dr. Mzileni do not give up. Our communities will never survive this onslaught brutality. This is an animal farm episode and we cannot tolerate it coloniality. You are a brilliant scholar and the world needs people of our caliber.
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As an NMU alumna, Pedro, you were so spot on with the description of the culture of the Nelson Mandela University. It is evident even in the workplace, OMG. Thank you for highlighting that! All the best with your future. I have no doubt that you'll be great as you've always been.
I remember that I never attended class but when I went to 1 class so every Tuesday and Thursday because he would be opening my eyes in various ways about poverty, school system, politics.
The Freestate missed the golden opportunity. He does not just talk. He has living affection for empowering and relating with students to the extent that he can drag the meeting just to educate even the most hostile and antagonizing foe would feel the embrace of this product of the NMU. The guest Dr Pedro is the product of Nelson Mandela University who began as a student and occupied the leading roles in the students government development. Mzileni would not have apologized even if a gun was placed on his head. Come back home Pedro and we will see you Embizweni. This is our future registrar. Uhambo lube lude. Buyela ekhaya nyana womgquba.
Beautiful interview thank you Dr Mihlali for your contributions to transformation and decolonisation. That university will never be the same and that is because of you.
This is a wonderful interview it would be cool to have him again I feel he has a lot to educate us youth🤍❤️
Greetings'what a powerful debate ones again, Mr Mzileni may God be with you and know this we won't be silenced forever someday a revolution will have take place white people or not....... This is time!!
Kudos to you Sizwe! You are truly making education fashionable. You are so young (youthful) to have a PhD. Again you are also displaying a fair amount of independence and a clear head.
Thank you!
Hey Sizwe I don't know if you have time. Kindly give us 4 to 5 such episodes for those of us who have a boring December. I'm even thinking of parking this one.
We’re producing more content than ever. We have you covered in December. Now just make sure you share the channel to grow the SMWX family. 😁🙌🏽
@@_SMWX S/O to you for that, you are definitely publishing more content then before and it's appreciated.
Dr. Mzileni I have no means to express my excitement. I sometimes loose hope when I see and hear our people put up with nonsense of this settlers. Yaa one day we will be freed by you and your likes like host. Oh even if things are like this in our country, but it is not all lost. Keep up the good work. Keep on speaking, keep on educating.
Xa uhamba indlela engazange yahanjwa or yabonwa imfama nazo zibanemibone yoba bekumele uhamba njani, bubu revolutionary isono sakho Dr Mzileni, womelele mhlekazi usazi ubusosula izithukuthu. Salute!
Every episode of SMWX is like reading chapter of a book, a reminder that I know nothing
We definitely need a part 2 accompanied by his banking details. I feel like AfriForum is attempting to bleed him dry with these frivolous cases
To them it’s not about money, it’s about ridiculing and making black people look or seem like ‘nothing’. That’s how deep their hatred is. Teaching black people about apartheid threatens them because they’re afraid black people will know the truth.
I agree
he definitely needs a fundme campaign
I Second that my brother.
True
This is actually very sad to hear. I can't believe that in 2023 Academics can still be persecuted for teaching about colonialism and racism. How are we supposed to progress?! How else are we supposed to heal?
Hello Member! It is sad to see. That’s why we keep telling these stories.
Especially in South Africa!
Those who benefit from colonialism and apartheid do not want society to delve into these topics because most will realise that much hasn't changed.
Heal? Black people? dont make me laugh. The ANC and EFF have been perpetuating black peoples inferiority complex and for the longest time have never taught them to evolve and move beyond the past, but to always be there at every turn scratching at old wounds and refusing to allow the people to move beyond always being told they will only be victims, oppressed by someone. And every time other races so much as insults a black man, the ANC and especially the EFF is there to point and say "see, see we told you these people are racits" every fking time. The rest of the world is so fking tired of these tantrums and this self obsession and attacking of other people because you have nothing better to do. Everyone else is making a success of themselves and here is the majority, still assuming everyone is scheming against them. And that is exactly what the EFF wants people to believe. Nobody cares let me tell you that much, and the reason people attack the EFF and ANC is for the reason that they will only bring stagnation and more racialism.
@@raymondshiburi9151😂
Dr Pedro speaks my entire heart heart ❤
As a coloured male during my internship at UFS, I experienced similar situations and disciplinary enquiries. What was most scathing, and an experiential trauma that still lives with me, is that 95% of my evaluators/supervisors were white females. I wrote a scathing quarterly portfolio report, where I highlighted my experiences and the lack of cultural sensitivity. Swept under the rug. I was treated slightly better but noone spoke about it.
The Department I studied under, again, mostly white. I am the 1st and only coloured Masters postgraduate in the history of that specific Department. It is an ambition of mine to be a lecturer in that Department, albeit it a challenging given that there is currently 1 black Dr., the HOD is coloured, and the rest of the Academic staff are white.
These are just scare tactics by a defeated ideology based on idiocy of racial superiority. Qhubeka Mntakwe uThixo ukhona futhi akukho nto ingenasizathu nasiphelo!
Good to see coloured people speaking up so that it doesn’t look like its just “africans” complaining
What a lovely conversation, from start to finish. He articulates his thoughts so clearly and speaks factually.
Part 2 please. Absolutely brilliant episode
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Dr. Mzileni is a scholar after my own heart. Bless him.
While waiting for Matshela Koko podcast a decided to listen to this one... Sizwe, thank you so much for bringing another fantastic guest to our screens!
Dr Mzileni, you're a treasure to all Africans... continue teaching my brother and remaining strong in your beliefs. All the best to you and your family! Enkosi mtshana!
Thank you dr Mphofu for inviting this grt mind...
Clear and Sober! Engages us through and through! Siyabonga abo DR...
Amazing podcast. We need Dr. Mzileni to come back and update us on the outcome of the Human Right Commission investigation!!!
Always a pleasure to listen to this gentleman 🔥🔥🔥 I wish he can join the EFF
He doesn’t need to join. He speaks the same language of the EFF.
I'm worried of how South africans depend on the EFF to be their saviors.
@@Buhles I want him there Buhlez
And perpetuate the same old mindsets, inflate egos and to poke at the peoples inferiority complex. Yeah very constructive idea. Its your own stagnation youll perpetuate voting for the same old same old over and over. When are you gonna learn how to think, not be told what to think by other people? Do you even fact check anyone or do you just eat up the bull the feed you? This is the difference between a successful people and a stagnant one.
Ufuneka pha 😅
Probably the best interview I've ever watched on your podcast (well I've said the same with many others). The example of Makerere University...is also brilliant...that's where he belongs...the perfect home for such scholarship in Africa...in my view.
An insightful conversation and eye opening about issues and their dynamics at UFS.
This is a refreshing conversation. The issues discussed from 50:40 concerning the lack of support from colleagues draws my attention. There could be numerous reasons causing the lack support. Among others is that some positions in academia are held by non-South Africans who are not here to question the status quo, another reason is that there is high unemployment in the country and everybody fear unemployment.
I hope Mzileni gets a good mentor. Full of potential. Has his journey ahead of him
Nelson Mandela said that they did that which they were able to do and so therefore as youngsters we must do our part. The struggle against apartheid and white domination was not won by the ANC/SACP/COSATU coalition. The late Samora Machel the former President of Mozambique said: "ALUTA CONTINUA!!!"
Thanks Sizwe - brilliant conversation with Doc. Mzileni - so much information and just sharpness from Doc. absolute genius - Thanks again 4 inviting him through - u r really maturing Sizwe - where r ur AFRICAN SHIRTS??? - We miss you in them - cos we could see that they r tailormade just 4 u - Keep up the good work & much luv 2 ur mom - Ms Terry......God bless u & ur team.......🌴🐟🦖🪳🪴🍀🌻
I am so glad I watched this interview, what an eye opener 🙌🏾
Great debate. Freedom of speech is a vital part of any democracy. Challenges to perspectives also form part of the debate. This is referred to as robust debate. Let’s respect the power of debate.
May his light never be deemed!!! My Good Sir! Phambili Bhuti!🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
What a wonderful interview Sizwe and your guest, Dr Mzileni. I subcribe to this beautiful mind.
Last week I finished a book... Cry Our beloved country...that book opened my eyes and made this phase of black consciousness we are going through much more relevant to why we need land...how whites think of blacks and how black were treated and continue to be treated...I also read Dancing in the Dust which come together very well with cry our beloved country....
Amazing things happen once you become true to yourself. You can hear he's not even compromising that principle.
Great staff 👌
This was an excellent interview, really eye-opening... Danko.
This interview was top tier. The penny dropped when Doc mentioned white people never move to "black areas" but it's vice versa. I never thought of it that way and what that means. UFS is a racist university. I applaud Dr Mzileni for being non-apologetic about destroying racism. We will fight whiteness and it's racism. This is Afrika✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿
And your method is to be more racist. Because the last time i checked nobody used the race card except black people, nobody stands on podiums threatening people because of the colour of their skin except black people, nobody except black people constantly racialise everything like that is the deciding factor in everything in life, there are over a 100 different affirmative actions laws against minorities to "protect black people" from them, the most in history, ever. If anything we need to defeat blackness and this black obsession, as you can clearly see, your people are getting nowhere while minorities are still more successful across the board in spite of the government's constant scapegoating of them. Your like children who think you can tell the adults how the world works, you have no history of successful nation building, and you blame your lack of skills on others anyway while having done nothing in 30 year to evolve as a people. You hate others but you still rely on them to change your diapers.
I have always known that Pedro when Pedro successfully climbed the achelons of academic, he would NOT be a psuedo-critical thinker or educator. His contribution and insightin our Sociology third year were out of this world (I was always taking notes, even though we the same age or even older to him. I'm truly proud of Dr Mzileni's work, and wish him all the best with his 'Pedagogy of the Oppressed'. In fact he reminds me Paulo Freire. Also keep the fire burning Dr Mpofu-Walsh.... LOVE & RESPECT my brothers.✊
When we understand that the university is the intellectual arm of the state, what happened to Dr Mzileni shouldn’t really be a surprise to anyone.
Can S.A rally behind our African brother plz, these brave heroes need to be protected ❤
Tut, uj,wits, UKZN...he'll be okay
I am a huge fan of Dr Mzileni!
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“Being silent is advancing the status quo” This is so accurate Dr. Mzileni, your sentiments resonate with those of Sihle Bolani in her book where she was voicing out her experiences of racism, injustice and inequality at a corporate institution.
Viva doctor , continue to enlighten the children of Mzansi
This man's words are true. I sadly cannot even speak of my own experience, because I still work there. Keep challenging these racist institutions. I am holding on till I get my PHD and then leave. This interview took courage. Great session gentlemen.
2024 will definitely be our 1994. Thank you Dr Sizwe
Every first year student at the UFS should watch this interview as part of their orientation.
What an interesting conversation! Thank you!
Thanks!
Thank you for this Sizwe.
Please bring Zuma back to the podcast brother. I’m sure you have questions and thank you for giving this man Dr Pedro a platform to create awareness of the injustices in universities and creating a space for dialogue. People who aren’t in universities wouldn’t know what happening yet it impacts them.
My take home from this thought provoking conversation is that we have failed as Africans and we have something urgent to fix...and it's long overdue. So the behaviour of the likes of said institution and some whites who are stubborn and reluctant to change is not new. Why aren't black people pooling resources to build their own institutions of higher learning? We have so many gifted African academics who would thrive in Afro-centric institutions...so what's so difficult there? We don't even need to ask Robert Gumede and Patrice Motsepe as Julius once said...but really now, let's start looking at that as a possible solution.
Sizwe, you need to invite more people with such information. White supremacy needs to be exposed
Organisations such as Afriforum, institute of race relations...etc. remind me of the old American movie "They Live"
This was so good yet so frustrating. I'm tempted to say that the lack of transparency and support from the university is telling; that maybe someone within the university was pushing this censorship. I hope things went in his favour at the Human Rights Commission. There's nothing wrong with calling a thing a thing, and people who are uncomfortable should do some introspection as to why it makes them uncomfortable.
The UFS lost a gem here.
This was such an excellent interview. Please kindly have Ndumiso Dladla on the show too.
To think that even academics are targeted when they tell their truth is astounding. This is how we feel in the private sector, we are intimidated into submission. Even when we see something wrong we can't say it because of fear of victimization. It's like being on a chokehold.
Its sad that 30 years after democracy people still experience the legacy of apartheid on a daily basis. It means we must have started badly . However not too late to reverse those apartheid monsters!!!
That is daily bread of working in private sector. It’s explicit that we are not wanted, we are just being tolerated.
I ensure I make them uncomfortable too. I have made this my motto. I can be called an angry black woman I dont care.
Next step is to work on black people who are deputy whites
I was looking forward to having Dr Mzileni as my supervisor next year at the school now we shall see
Very informative.❤What a great episode..
A refreshing and necessary conversation this.
One word, Dr. became a threat to UFS. To them the black community is suppose to be ignorant, or rather act dumb, they will feed you, protect you, make you rich according to this embarrassing accepted reality. I like how He reminded us that knowledge is power, we can't keep accepting and self oppressing ourselves while we know we can do better, that must end. Thank you for being brave and so determined Dr. 🤝
i have just been privileged to be enlightened by your conversation with Dr Mzileni, Sizwe. Not so many are birthed in this mould . If it was not conspicuous, i venture to disclose that the litany of items he traversed are equally applicable in the corporate environment … in voluminous and volcanic proportions. it’s shameful , sickening and pathetic -egregiously so.
This was a good one. Really good podcast episode.
We must keep fighting those who have watched and teach others the truth. We are not going to be silenced and told how to heal, we must tell our story as it is and if they feel uncomfortable let's tell it as it is until it becomes a norm.
Dr Siz, I've listened to a few of your interviews and I think this is one where "holding the space" is more important than interjection. There were a few moments in the interview where I was eagerly awaiting for the story to unfold and as it was unfolding, you interjected with a remark or a question which has some nuanced effect on how the narrative continued. Perhaps a more balanced approach of leveraging on your guest's strengths is needed. In some cases "holding the space" is creating safety, in some cases, it is nudging. Great as always, thanks.
Dr P Mzileni reminds me of what vusi thembekwayo said about society that it's nothing but a system of normalized averages, the system has been designed to be in a particular order so that there can be no disorder, that's why we have laws,rules and etiquette. They have coded and structured in a way that they'll say this is good behavior and the good behavior is "go to school, get matric, go to university, get a job, buy a house, get married, have kids, enjoy your career until you retire at age 60". And when you try to break the system, society doesn't understand that's why most people don't get support and become alone. But in the case of Dr mzileni,because of his political education that is not wanted by the system he got support from a few people politically educated as him and the majority of his students whom he educated about how the system works. Well done doc, the little political group you educated, faithfully, it will make a political difference to the future generations. Be happy that the smallest impact it had started with now matters more than anything
Enjoyed this episode, thank you to you both.✋
What an interesting conversation, well done Doctors ✔👏👏👏👏👏
Motivated. We support you Prof. Enkosi
Great black excellence, power to this Dr✊️
This is my first time whatching this podcast and i must say, this over podcast n chill. This is amazing content
This is a brilliant interview.
Nice discussion my brothers, can Sizwe please invite Andile Mngxitama, Joel Modiri and Ndumiso Dladla for a discussion.
I have a swam of stories from ex-academic staff from UFS. I cannot be wrong - because I myself, being Black has been part of UFS since 2005. Between 2021 - 2022, I had to fight for (1) fair salary parity via my attorneys and for lecturing without even (2) office cubicle/room allocated to me, until I opted for resignation. Students, adult as they are - told me they see I am ill-treated, silent and resilient to be a productive lecturer. Employees@UFS have not a SINGLE bone of solidarity - they watch you battle solo, or they themselves succumb to stroke, blood pressure, resignation etc putting a hardy face to please elitist structural authority solidified by UFS subtle apartheid institutional culture. I am free now - running towards opening my own genuine Afrocentric university#ZAWADI NPC.
I don't like the way Sizwe conducts his interviews. He should let the guy talk and only interrupt when necessary. I would listen to Dr Pedro from morning to sunrise
"You can't be neutral on a moving train"~Howard Zinn
Dr Pedro Mzileni,
We are POORER at UFS With Your December 29, 2023 Resignation!
Your short stay at UFS was Decolonizing Refreshingly Honest.
We, _African_ South African Black Scholars in the South African Universities Have Been Pushed Under the Bus by _ANC Government, and it's Higher Education Ministry Leadership. Especially those Black South African Academics Whose scholarship and teaching are on Decolonization on the Curriculum in the University.
30 Years We Must Have A Change in 2024!!!
RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT DR PEDRO MZILENI RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT RESPECT.
Professor Neo Lekgotla laga Ramoupi, Department of History University of the Free State (UFS).
Thank you Sizwe for this, I will wait for Dr Lwazi Lushaka now from UCT, as they are facing some crisis at that UCT infact 4 black now will be investigated some fired.
Can we please get the link to the UFS meeting where Dr Pedro shared critique to UFS’s vision?
Shuuu!!😭😭😭
What the Good Dr shed was just inhumane. We’re often criticised when we say African People cannot be racist, this is exactly what we’re talking about. We can prejudicial and discriminate against other races yes but we do not have the backing a system designed around our prejudice.
We hope the Dr Pedro will find an institution he can be free at to implement, challenge and Improve the current system.
Dr. Sizwe can we please get Dr. Lwazi Lushaba before he goes to the US 🤞🏾🤞🏾