The Dune Series by Frank Herbert - Why It's A Classic
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- SCI-FI September is HERE! All this month we're looking at sci-fi book series, starting with the original classic, DUNE.
This is a deep dive, spoiler free, introduction to Frank Herbert's Dune. But it also looks into all the extended works in the Dune universe. Which Dune books do you want to read?
We also discuss the big themes of the chosen one, the temptation of power, and those inevitable sci-fi warnings of the future.
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The Baron isn't angry with Jessica because she rejects her Harkonnen heritage and marries Leto. For one thing, she doesn't marry Leto, she is his bound concubine. For another, Jessica was raised by the Bene Gesserit, and neither the Baron, nor Jessica herself, know that she is the Baron's daughter. That is the general strategy of the Bene Gesserit, to birth daughters and keep their parentage a secret, so as to keep the Sisterhood as the only option for allegiance for the young women.
Dune is a book everyone should read.
Can a 13 year old read it
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There are some very serious themes in the books (there are 6 books in total), including violence, torture, religion, power and tyranny, drugs, intrigue, murder, and more. So it very much depends very much on the 13 year old. It is probably not intended for children/young teenagers and some of the themes might not be interesting for them. For example, the worldbuilding in book 1 is very lengthy and might be too boring for some (not only young readers ^^).
However, there certainly are young readers who might really enjoy this and maybe read it again as adults and rediscover a lot of things which they didn't notice during their first read. It was like that for me.
@@fiftypercentgrey ohh ok, thanks!!
Once I finish Steven Kings The Stand I’m definitely gonna read it O haven’t watched the movie cause I want to read the book first 😊
@@rippleplayz1002 Yes I believe a 13 yr old can just take your time👍
The Dune series is what got me back into reading and I probably never would have found this channel. So glad you made this.
First of all, love the sci-fi intro, also the info on dune and okay I’m convinced to give it a try😊 Dune is now on my long TBR 🤣
Loved the introduction and the mural on the wall behind you is lovely. Tell your wife she did wonderfully.
It should be made clear that The Spice is not fuel for ships, but rather needed to allow the Guild Navigators to make their navigational calculations with enough prescient foresight to heed dangers of transit.
I must also say that the Spacing Guild is the most important player in The Imperium and this should be emphasized
Paul was never a white savior, even in dune, Paul was seen taking advantage of the fremen ALONG with his mother, it’s the most sophisticated critique of the white savior trope in genre fiction that somehow alludes some of its readers, dune messiah spells that out more openly but it’s right there in dune.
This dude is way too obsessed with going on about boring diversity
If I remember correctly Muad'Dib was Paul's chosen name amongst the fremen. The fremen term for Messiah was Lisan al Gaib.
That and Mahdi. A lot of Shi'ite terms get used and made some great side reading.
I'm so glad I found this channel. I love all 6 of the Dune books. As someone who has read some of the Brian Herbert Dune books, you're not missing much.
Well done. I love how you are making us wait for your walkthrough of Red Rising! 😂
I love how kind you are :)
Thanks for the review. I've had it on myy TBR pile for ages, and now I guess if I ever read it, I'll go for 1 or max 2 books.
I've read Dune and Dune Messiah, but it's been about 5-10 years. I'm going to pick them back up this month and then hopefully finish out Frank's books (well probably just to God Emperor).
Awesome sci-fi intro and content as usual!
I’ve reread the entire six books many times and get more each round. I love the last two books as they are way more character and plot based
Keep making videos. These are great!🤘
Currently, i'm in the middle of the 4th book and with every chapter i am wondering if i should continue. It is WEIRD, but it does have some interesting themes (religion, power and dictatorship, among them) that gives you some interesting perspective about the real world and makes me continue.
Regarding representation, i am tierd of this chase for it, especially in recent years. You cannot have all human groups (social categories, sex, race etc) properly represented and done right in one single book, without ending with something like the witcher nexflix show. And i say this as a person that is NOT part of the privileged white male group.
I’m a huge Dune fan. I planned on starting book 5, now I’m not so sure. I had heard Brian Herbert finished the saga based on notes from Frank but didn’t realize that was bs. Frank Herbert’s writing feels so deep and intriguing to me but I don’t want to end on a cliffhanger. 🤔
Just finished Dune and a friend suggested this video. I will be reading the next two for sure and I'm now sold to read up to #4 as well. I'll probably keep reading as long as I'm enjoying.
this video is great but… There are so many spoilers in this video. Especially Paul having Harkonnen blood. When I first read that, it came to shock me and I was intrigued and it ties into the events that happen in Children of Dune. So my advice is to not spoil these things. Anyways good video!
I love your running joke of laughing at Australian locations lol
So far, I've read the first three, of which Children of Dune was actually my favourite. No doubt I'll enjoy God Emperor too. I don't buy the idea that Herbert was satirising or deconstructing the white saviour trope, given that we know what it looks like when he's satirising/deconstructing the chosen one trope; even in book one, when he's less interested in that and more interested in world-building, it still felt pretty clear to me that the narrative is painting eugenics as an aid to prophecy as a Bad Idea.
Really enjoying these videos, by the way.
Great video, altough you did have some slight errors:
Jessica having a son instead of a daughter is unrelated to Harkonnen's attack on the Atreides. Her defiance has angered only the Bene Gesserit and Reverend Mother Gaius. The Harkonnen attack was orchestrated by the Emperor via Bene Gesserit guidance.
Also, the prophesized Fremen Messiah is called Mahdi and Lisan Al Gaib. Muad'Dib is a war name that Paul chose for himself inspired by the desert kangaroo mouse and the star constellation.
I'm so glad I didn't stop after the first book, I'm about 1/3rd through the 3rd book, and it's probably my favorite so far.
The timeline is actually closer to 25,000 years into the future.
Mate you spoiled two pretty big things from the first book!! Otherwise, I really liked your video. I have just finished Dune Messiah and have the following 4 books at the ready.
The intro video made my day!😊
There is some misinformation here.
The fremen prophecy doesn't name the messiah Mua'dib. It names them Lisan Al Gaib. Mua'dib is Pauls chosen Fremen name.
The baron being jessicas father is a major spoiler and also isn't the reason for the Atreides Harkkonen feud. Those houses have hated each other for generations. The Baron and Jessica don't even know they're related until later in the book.
And Leto and Jessica were never married. Although they were in love, she was his concubine. He remained unmarried to keep hopes for marital alliances alive within the other great houses.
That intro was everything lol
I feel like baron Harkonnen might deserve a mention in terms of representation and a warning. Sure, Dune was written in different times, but as a modern reader, I take issue with what appears to be the only representative of a marginalized group in a book being a villain.
Thanks for the overview! I was a bit meh on the writing style of the first book, but knowing that book 4 finishes the arc in a satisfying way, I think I'll keep going
This is great stuff! I tried the comic books that adapt Anderson's novels and they were absolutely horrible. I'm glad I never invested in the books. I only read the first 3 originals but now I'm interested in the 4th. Thank you!
I enjoy Heretics but I'm 100% with you on Chapterhouse.
The new intro is awesome.
Dune is my absolute favorite book of all time. Messiah is a superb follow up, and everything after is okay.
Great review! 2 notes about representation:
- it is Bene Gesserit breading program that excluded all men to use spice, until perfect one is born. One could argue that they could have done it the other way around through their DNA matchings - to exclude women until perfect one that can suppress the limits of all the females that ever lived is born
As for the fremen - they only know that it woll be foreigner, with bene geserit mother, and that he will "know their ways". I can't recall everyone who Frank mentiones when they are "tripping" and seeing/feeling theit ancestors, there are some ancient Greeks, but I believe some africans as well (Hanibal maybe, I read it like 25 years ago), correct me if I am wrong, so Paul is not "pure white"
Hey! While you’re doing Sci-Fi September, please do the Sprawl Trilogy- Neuromancer, Count Zero, and Mona Lisa Overdrive! I’ve only read the first and was going to read all three after I’m done with The Witcher series.
You gave a very bad spoiler. I mean Jessica's father. As far as I know, it was a big Bene Gesserit secret who her father was because Paul was supposed to be a girl and marry a man from that family. Neither Jessica nor her father knew they were related. Thus, the father could not object to his daughter's marriage to Leto. Spoiler alert, Jessica and Leto were not married. She was his concubine to make the position of wife available to a potential maiden of high family.
Yes, terrible spoiler and terrible recall of the actual events in the book. I was looking for such a comment before commenting myself.
Makes one wonder if he actually read the book or a Cliffs Notes
First book is a bit of a tough read by modern standards, but it sure is fantastic. Can't get over the names. Duncan Idaho amongst all the sci-fi terms? Ha.
Have read the second book too, gotta finish out the original series sometime. Yeah think I'll pass on the fanfiction.
‘kissatch aderack’ - what in the crikey croccy, mate! ❤
Great clarifier about British English dune pronunciation. I thought people wanted to pronounce it differently than "sand dune" due to being a fictional planet.
I think I’ll give the first one a read and see what I think. I’ve just started the tawny man trilogy by Robin Hobb so hoping that series doesn’t emotionally destroy me too much 😂 think if I enjoy Dune I’ll probably read the first 4 and call it a day there.
Ooh Tawny man is good! Enjoy that.
And yeah, the first 4 dune books are my choice.
As for the 2 part novels: in portugal, the song of ice and fire splited every book in 2 books.. so you have to buy 10 books insted of 5. This is criminal for sure
dune is a ‘white savior’ novel in that it highlights that phenomenon but from what i’ve come across herbert talked about highlighting the dangers of charismatic leaders without the specific racial trope (which was probably not aware of).
When you say “clones of Duncan “ do you mean literally or figuratively ? ( I’ve never read any of the books)
I'm currently reading the first Dune book. I feel like you spoiled the plot of the series for me, as the theme of each book seem to drive it. Apart from that! Loved the video as usual. 😊
I remember reading the first two books in high school. I made it a few chapters into the third and it was too weird for me.
Like the t shirt 😂 I love the movie ❤
I wish they'd trimmed Dune down and stuck Messiah on as a true epilogue. Stopping at Dune is like getting all the thrill of blowing your life savings on some crazy car and none of the reality of having to make rent the next day. Sounds like Children & God Emperor are yet more consequences though, you've convinced me to keep reading.
16:59 classic frasier.
Aus pronunciation for the win. It sounds weird Dune. I'm on the fence as I can get picky about sci-fi-related books.
I read all the Brian Herbert sequels/prequels. They are EXTREMELY fun. I don't know what people are complaining about. it made me realize I should NEVER to listen to the pathetic whining of nerds who admit they've never read the thing they are complaining about!!!! Is proudly admitting you never read something a thing to brag about? Is ignorance something to brag about? LOL! These are the same people who say that any Star Trek media after the 1960s is not really Star Trek. It's just foolish. The expanded Dune universe of Brian Herbert is nowhere near as intellectual or spiritual as Frank's, but is still entertaining and good writing. I enjoyed those books- don't listen to haters who are so weak they go along with the accepted "truth" that has been fed to them in their extraordinary proud ignorance.
i've read only the first 3 books
Imagine Jason Moma being Duncan Idaho in all dune movies that be so cool lol. He definitely will be the face of the franchise then lol......I doubt it though cuz I know the director isn't going past dune messiah. Just hope Jason Moma comes back for Dune Messiah n hope they didn't ruin Alia that's what I'm worried about the treatment of Alia in dune and dune messiah we will see.
if you never mentioned the pronunciation thing i never would have noticed
I read Dune and thoroughly enjoyed it, then I read Dune Messiah and was disappointed. As you point out it is much smaller in acope than the original. Your video has inspired me to read 3 & 4
Excellent! That's the goal, right? To help you know what you'll enjoy. 😄 enjoy 3 & 4!
@@cronkthebookguy definitely and I'm really enjoying your dives into various series recently, so thank you
Here is the one problem with the story of Dune. Spice is so valuable that there is no way you would only have one house guarding its production especially when you have an active insurgency on the planet. Every and all expense would be paid to exterminate the fremen. Absolute control of the entire plane would be the most important priority for the entire galaxy.
Yes😊😊😊😅
For my money stop after God Emperor. Dune series does make my all time SciFi list though.
the biggest fan fiction scam that will make a lot of people hate me is marvel. the original fantastic four run is the only canon for those characters, and that is why any new stories almost always connect back to the ideas made in those comics. Fantastic four pretty much made the marvel universe the way it is today in my opinion, so i think i am right in saying that all marvel universe type things are an extension of that original run of F4 comics by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.
I made it to God Empereror in high school or early college. I hated it so much I quit half way through.
Gast forward 20 years, read the first three House books by Brian (which are fine for some background but not Dune. But he did put more edfkrt than Christopher Tolkein but I digress) so started over.
Had enough momentum to plow through God Emperor and finish the series.
Then things just got wreird. Dune was brilliant in that is got rid of technology so you don't end up reading an instruction manual or dated hard science like Foundation. But as the scope gets bigger, Herbert's reach was greater than his grasp.
If you want an abbreviated version of the later books, just read Fall of Hyperion as it 90% the same story.l which I found really irritating.
I would recommend many of his other works.
Jessica did not become the Duke's concubine for love, it was duty. She was supposed to have a daughter but chose to have a son for love.
I would also say Paul is a white savior at the start, but that is quickly subverted with the rise of the Tyrant. And the reason the Fremen myth matches the Bebe Gesserit one is because the Sisterhood planted it there centuries ago.
I read the first book and that was great. Then I started reading the second book aaaand I kinda lost an interest. I don't know, but the beginning was so confusing that I gave up. I must say that you made me want to read the God Emperor :D
The first book is an unmatched classic, and Dune Messiah is really just the end of the first book. Children is interesting enough but God Emperor is where he lost me. I just didn't care about anybody or what might happen to them.
I could have sworn that the bene wanted a male because he would have access to both genders memories and powers becoming the chosen one not that a male just happened to be the chosen one.
I recommend channel called _Quinn's Ideas._ He has made some good videos on _Dune,_ including about the 'white saviour' thing.
Read Dune when the movie came out but couldn't really get into it. Tried the audiobook for Messiah but that didn't help so i decided to not continue the series
also a Witcher update: I'd actually read the first few books digitally before but didn't remember much so i got them physically. So i started sword of destiny yesterday and really like it so far (even if it it sometimes is a bit too much 'men writing women'). Am also playing the game after years of my brother telling me to
It’s worth noting that Dune history diverges depending on if you stick with Frank Herbert’s classics or delve into Brian Herbert’s cash grab dreck fan fiction.
In Frank Herbert’s Butlerian Jihad, it was the imperium-wide uprising against the men who controlled Thinking Machines, and through those machines the people. So it was a two-tiered revolt. Against AI and against the men who wielded it-AI made folks weak and reliant.
Brian Herbert goes the Battlestar Galactica, Westworld, Skynet way, which although fun, is much less subtle and not as interesting.
Dune Encyclopedia is the best Dune fan fiction
Alot of book fans don't like dune messiah lol I wonder how general audiences are gonna feel about dune messiah when they see it on screen in Part 3 I'm calling it now it's gonna be a disappointment to most people not most true dune fans but a lot of fans of dune hate dune messiah n the sequels. Which sucks cause I'll never see the greatest dune story told God Emperor of Dune lol
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