Know I wasn't able to do a season review the last couple of times but with the week break before Golden Bachelorette on the 18th... I'll have one out sometime next week. Ooph... this season...
I have been waiting all day to hear from you. That being said, must mean you are enjoying being a dad and husband/family man. WTG! Live your life. Pretty sure this story will go on for awhile, and sometimes its best to wait a bit anyway it seems vs early/first reaction.
Oh man, I was as well waiting for this review… I feel for Jenn. I was dumped after spending NYE weekend with a guy I was seeing. He kept telling me how “happy” he was I was there and how “excited” he was for our relationship in 2023 the whole weekend. The boy then dumps me 2 days after I get home and tells me that he never lied after he telling me that he had “unsure feelings” about me BEFORE the weekend I went up for NYE. My heart goes out to Jenn. 💙
I was dying without you having a live stream last night! (I had to go on with Dave Neal and Reality Steve - not a fan of either! - but that finale was so jarring I couldn't go to sleep without chatting it out live with others). My take is that after the show, Devon not only realized he was not compatible with her for several reasons, but he likely talked to other guys from the season and started watching and hearing about what happened outside of his own story with Jen. Seeing how he was about Matt appearing and also Sam M and others, he seems to have an ego that may not have survived hearing and seeing the things he was encountering. I expect he's being silent because Jen is beloved and he doesn't want to say things like he heard she slept with multiple people or whatever (I'm only speculating). People saying he had no explanation isn't accurate because his explanation is he realized they weren't right for each other. It happens. Jen wanted to hold on, even so (and we know her MO is to try to make things work even when they're not healthy). He cut it off for both of them - for the better. I can't fault him for that. Jen didn't expect it, but it makes sense. They were wrong for each other or he couldn't handle the fact he wasn't her 1 and only. Imagine him seeing her love profession for Marcus? That was probably the final stray. I'm not saying I support how he broke up with her by phone or ignored her there following the break up, but I'm thinking he's just disgusted at this point by stuff he had to watch and hear about. AND, if he says any of that, it only makes Jen look bad and he was trying to be respectful. I actually approve of him being more silent and accountable last night. Sometimes you just realize it's futile to try to go on with the wrong person. Yeah, it was messy last night and I felt bad for Jen overall but wasn't necessarily thrilled with how she handled it live in front of an audience. It would have been better for her to speak calmly and not lash out at him. She was getting applause, but it lacked a level or maturity in my opinion and could have been more graceful. For Tino, we could all agree that his cheating was uncalled for and he was rightfully dragged through the mud. Perhaps Devon did some stuff too, but at this point all we know is that he realized they weren't right for each other and - even if you are engaged to someone who you only spent about 48 hours total with - I think it's understandable to call off a relationship if it isn't what you thought it was going to be. No matter what, it was brutal for them both to have to watch the proposals live on stage. I wish ABC would just go back to showing us the whole show, in order with no breaks for interviews, and then have a separate AFR. Last night was just sickening on all levels.
They really did Jen dirty throught the whole season. They picked the worst guys, most were emotionally unavailable, some didn't even want her as the lead. But the worst thing they did was make her watch her proposal was diabolical and cruel. That girl was sobbing and it seemed like production didn't care about her finding love, they only wanted drama.
The producers.. and Jesse.. should be ashamed of what they did to Jenn. Devin is the biggest douche since Jed Wyatt.- and now we have to live with the fact that Sam M was right about Devin all along.
fully agreed. it was like deja vu to Hannah Brown’s AFR with Jed, but worse. at Hannah’s AFR, they brought up Tyler Cameron to “lighten the mood” after all the Jed nonsense. but for Jenn, they force her to recount her painful breakup and then RE-WATCH her proposal on live TV? beyond cruel. poor Jenn deserved so much better.
I'm glad there's a lot of backlash to them making Jenn watch the proposal, that was so cruel. Poor Jenn. She really deserved better than having a group of guys who expected someone else and then this disgusting end.
@@gradetrend8138 and he was looking at his watch when she was talking to him, he didnt care at all, what a selfish man.. i cannot believe he played that part and played her and her feelings like he did.. he was a real good fake, but i never liked him throughout the entire journey i never liked him.. he was always so sleezy.
Life is tough, grow a backbone or some balls, jesus talk about a weak far too sensitive generation these days. None of you understand the concept of an actual real hard life these days
Well, when you realize the man you were in love with did not exist because he is nothing more than a narcissist, it feels like grief of a death to an extent, hence her reaction. I feel her pain, narcissistic discards are the worst. And yes, he did follow Maria to hurt her. Poor Jen. ❤
I think the majority of guys thought the bachelorette was going to be Maria or Daisy…..and were disappointed. They should have left right away, but they all wanted to travel and have fun for as long as possible. Sick! Sick! Sick! For making Jenn watch her proposal and then Jesse said it was so beautiful and no one can take it away from her? That’s supposed to make her feel better?
They should have taken the time to cast the men for Jenn (the way they are doing it for Grant). There would be so many guys whose type is Jenn. Having said that, I believe many of the guys from this season were very into Jenn. However, she repeated history again and chose the wrong ones, sending home the good ones like Jeremy, Spencer, Jonathon, Grant, Hakeem, etc.
I can respect a guy that wants to get to know her and see how things go even to self-elimination, as long as they aren't stringing he lead along. I knew from the very first episode she didn't have a lot of good guys to choose from. What a mess.
Showing the proposal AFTER the confrontation for Jenn to watch in front of a studio audience with the man who dumped her was completely unnecessary. They could have showed it then brought Jenn out and have the tell all. How gross. 🤢
I feel like they could have just dropped the vid on UA-cam and people could go watch it if they wanted. Or at LEAST air it at the end of the night after Jenn has left the stage. Idk man I get that they wanted to use the footage but OH MY GODDDDD
Jenn was done DIRTY this season. She had nothing to work with, tried to be vulnerable despite it all, and got screwed over for it. I feel so bad for her🙁
She was and I can’t help but think this franchise may be coming to an end soon. When your first and second choices for leads turn down the job, you know you’re circling the drain.
This finale made me more upset than Arie's finale, production made so many choices to make this brutal for Jenn. It almost makes me feel like they had it out for her. It was gross. Devin breaking things off is its own thing, but they structure of episode and ATFR was nearly abusive and Jenn deserves better. The whole thing left me feeling upset and disgusted.
I personally don't think Sam was any less villainous than Devin. He was just worse at faking it, so Jenn was able to catch on and dump him. Had Sam won, I think he would have treated Jenn every bit as badly as Devin did. Jenn never had a chance, with this cast of men that had so few good guys to begin with, and even those few good ones were expecting a white women so were too slow to warm up to her for the purposes of this show.
I'm with Jenn. For Devin to be so over the top all season about being so in love then to pull the carpet out from underneath her is disgusting. Plus his attitude about the whole thing was not great either.
His explanation was so weird too - nothing tangible. Not that long distance was hard, or real life got in the way, or values and priorities became different, or rewatching the show and watching Jen prioritize other relationships (at the time) was hard. Nothing tangible. He just kept saying he "fell short of Jenn's expectations of him" - like what does that even mean? Devin is the worst. Jenn is heartbroken now, but she dodged the biggest bullet. She's lucky, she just doesn't know it yet.
This is the most upsetting ending ever. I feel like Devin is a textbook example of love bombing. The fact that they made Jen watch the proposal as she bawled on live TV is insane. Absolutely wild.
Same!! I hated Devin from the jump because of that comment. I actually stopped watching the show around episode 3 because it became clear to me that Jenn was going to choose Devin and I didn't want to watch that unfold. But even I didn't expect it to end this horribly for Jenn :(
The way they failed Jenn this entire season -from the casting, flying out that ex of hers, to showing that proposal - is downright EVIL and I'm legit disgusted by it!! I know this has gotten a lot of people talking but as whose expense? Did Jenn's national humiliation really translate to higher ratings?
Jeremy’s been a snake. Saying he was there to defend “his brothers,” knowing full well how this all played out and that Marcus has SA allegations against him. Fucking trash
I seriously may have watched Bachelorette for the last time. That was too cruel, making her sit through the proposal. No excuses for that cruelty. It may have been" a beautiful moment." But that all got erased when Devin backed out of everything he represented on the show. I really was convinced of their bond., and he threw it all away. He tossed Jenn away as if she were garbage. The show is garbage IMO.
Two sides to every story.. he could have realized what he got involved in turn around and ran in the opposite direction. She was on a Knicks podcast saying she was going to have Johnny's kids!!
@@skbluee You said it! And I didn’t like him from the beginning, when he disrespected the other guys’ time. It never works out with the lead when they end up choosing the person at the end who doesn’t get along with the rest of the house
When Jen said “Do I have a choice?” Before them playing the proposal… that felt so disturbing… I had captions on too… and the text “DO I HAVE A CHOICE” stayed on the screen for the first several seconds of the proposal…
Wow. Jenn was so honest about her insecurities on the show, and this is how it played out 😭 the bachelor is truly showing us they just want a dramatic show and DONT CARE at all about these people's emotions. WOW.
She was honest enough to be able to get Devon to let her go while Devon destroys his own life with his porn addiction. Jenn got saved due to her honesty. She will recover just fine!
Exactly! As soon as he got what he wanted, he immediately lost interest. He's probably moving on to his next victim. What a despicable phony and fraud he is.
It honestly makes so much sense why him and Sam M hated each other so much. Two narcs are almost always threatened by each other, but especially when one is smarter than the other. Sam M is a classic Narc who is also stupid, and Devin is one who is smart and terrifyingly good at masking. The stupid one was SUPER threatened by the smart one, and the smart one just manipulated the stupid one into self-destructing.
So... he really was there for the wrong reasons? Yikes. I mean she did have a whole bunch of warnings, but the messenger was so trash that we couldn't believe him.
this 100%. sam had a whole host of issues that made him hard to believe -- how is he gonna sit there and say devin's not right for her or here for the wrong reasons when sam can't name a single thing he liked about jenn? they're just two sides of the same coin, which is probably why they both saw through each other so fast. not to mention aaron, who threw a grenade at jenn and said "figure it out" and hightailed it out of there. and now he's making jokes on instagram about "being right" when he hardly did anything to help her.
@@Paul-te8gi lol seems to me those three just got the edit they deserved based on their behavior (aaron's crypticness, thomas picking fights, sam m's complete inability to name one thing he likes about the woman he claimed to love). takes snakes to recognize snakes -- that's why they all clocked each other so fast.
I believe once Devin got home he realized girls who were once out of his league before the show were now in reach due to his popularity increasing because of the show. Devin dumped Jen to pursue those new women with his new popularity. What a smuck!
Yep, once he was compared to Pete Davidson…he wanted to have the same experience. He obviously struggled with his weight in the past, and now he’s getting attention he never had.
Interestingly, I don't think he will ever find someone as good as Jenn, someone who is beautiful, intelligent, caring, and someone who has given him her full heart. Everything is backfiring for Devin because no woman would want to go near him. He is simply a good talker. And poor Jenn had fallen for a smooth operator. The karma will come back to Devin, and he will know it when it comes.
I NEVER liked or trusted Devil. Something about the way he spoke bothered me. Jen didn’t deserve any of this. From the beginning of her journey, the whole we wanted Daisy/Mariah (I didn’t, I didn’t like either one), the lackluster group of guys, the constant great heights dates when she’s said she’s afraid of heights, etc. Devin always looked like he was acting to me. As opposed to Sam M who just didn’t understand or experience the spectrum of human emotion. I hope she runs as far away from this franchise as possible and finds love in the real world.
@@AnActualGh0stYessss I immediately was like, if I were asked that question about my partner I could rattle off so many of his qualities that don’t involve me. Because you know, I actually love him
She’s being treated that way because of how she acts. She is an insecure bully. She needs to stop playing victim, stop bullying and take some responsibility for her actions.
@@lolamolina4307 Devin. She asked a question and when he tried to answer she either interrupted him with a derogatory speech or she called him a liar. He, on the other hand, refrained from mud slinging.
@@danamarie8718She’s allowed to be angry after being treated like trash by him and publicly humiliated. I swear y’all wouldn’t be talking like this if she were wyte
I really think if The Bachelor went with casting more people who are in the 30-40 age range they’d see more genuine success. However, production likely wants majority 20-somethings because they’re more susceptible to their interference. Wish they prioritized the shows actual premise rather than gaining viewership from traumatizing contestants.
Also: I argue for the 30-40 age range because 1. More *likely* to have those difficult ideological talks that seem to plague the younger contestants 2. They’re *likely* to be more settled in life-but not necessarily tied down to where they live (something that the Golden Bachelor struggled with and may be an issue for the younger crowd in newer careers) 3. I’m Jenn’s age and the idea of being engaged to someone I’ve known for only nine-ish weeks? Scary!
That was brutal to watch!! The trauma that bonded them, reared its ugly head through Devin. Devin did to Jenn, what his father did to his mom. Like her father, he abandoned her emotionally and physically. I'm praying for Jenn's healing. I guess the vetting process is just be human and breathing atp🙄😒😩
If we don’t recognize how deeply we are affected by our traumas we will most certainly repeat them. Devin probably subconsciously wanted justice on never feeling chosen when he was heavier too.
@@mariedaparellio5686 that is so true. Sometimes people turn into the very things that hurt them. I wish he would have ended things with more grace and empathy, instead of cold and brutal.
@@mariedaparellio5686That is no excuse to treat a person who loves him like he did. It was inhumane! His actions didn't erase his previous trauma and pain; there is no way to fix his past except to recognize it and be a better human.
Good point Devin was a repeat offender repeating or recycling his anger and pain. He was aggressive and irresponsible. The show ought to make him accountable for his disgraceful behavior!
Fr the whole concept should be about finding love but it's just now about drama, borderline abusive relationship and yeah it just sucks because production is fueling such behaviour so the bachelor and bachelorette to be seems more like a curse than something positive
I hope Production will pay for her therapy for the trauma THEY caused!! Jenn needs healing before she can move forward with a healthy relationship in the future. This was criminal behavior on their part.
Right because I noticed how much weight she has lost since even the men tell all…she’s traumatized and this was on national tv she’ll have to relive this for so long😢😢
I’m not sure how any woman who dates Devin in the future who has watched this is going to be able to be in a fully trusting relationship with him. I mean, he had most of the viewers fooled and he had Jen fooled. The promises he made to the extent that he made them. It all seemed so genuine.. I don’t know how any girl is going to trust him after this.
Agreed. His word should be worthless. I also think the guys who recognized early on how manipulative he is deserve some credit instead of the harsh criticism they have suffered - especially Sam.
@@Paul-te8gi Sam deserved all the criticism he got. Just because he was technically right about Devin doesn't change the fact that he's an arrogant jerk who went about it in the wrong way.
I was literally screaming “WHAT!!!!” When they made her watch the finale and she said “Do I even have a choice?” Like wtf. We didn’t need to see it. Or more like she didn’t need to sit down and relive that moment. Extremely cruel.
This is a perfect example of throwing away morals for tv ratings. Having Jen watch the proposal and keeping it playing while she bawls her eyes out. It’s hard to support a franchise that is run by people who think that is ok.
They have shown the ‘proposal that didn’t last’ before the broken up couple sit down to talk every other season they have ended things, so why did they all of the sudden want to switch up the order this time? So cruel
Rachel sobbing through the whole confrontation between Devin and Jenn was so real. I hope she and Jenn can bond and support each other through these shit men and shit experiences.
It also did San dirty. He's a jerk, but he was right about Devin the deceiver. He was depicted as the designated villain, and publicly excoriated, while Devin got favorable edits.
@@Paul-te8gi But Sam was only right because trash recognizes trash. He knew he and Devin were both playing the same game. Devin was just more convincing at being a con artist. Sam deserved to be excoriated, although I agree that Devin got off way too easy.
@@Paul-te8gisam wasn't right, he was just picking on some rando who happened to be a douche. Jenn is a terrible reader of people and it'll continue to bite her in the ass.
Devon was giving off pure Narcissistic vibes the whole season for me. The whole episode of him crying to make her tell him she loved him was just a manipulative ploy to move ahead of Marcus in her eyes.
that's not it though. the issue with Marcus was how he felt about her. not just if he was ready for marriage. he wasn't even falling in love with her. how could they get engaged?
@@ScipioAmericanus2012 now that's just stupid. bullied? she was breaking up with him. she didn't ask him to say it. he chose to as a last minute save myself clutch move. it backfired. some of you are delusional and crazy. bullied. ridiculous
@@ScipioAmericanus2012She didn’t bully him lol she was trying to figure out if he really wanted her. I wish she’d sent him home weeks prior, or that he’d left
@@laurasalva7256 Really hope we don't stigmatize bipolar disorder here. That's not what bipolar disorder looks like. It looks like Devin just wanted to win "the prize" for his ego/validation, and once he did, he instantly lost interest in Jenn because he's cruel and never cared about her feelings.
@laurasalva7256 Nope, probably just narcissistic. He loved bombed her, devalued her, then discarded her. This is straight from the narcissist playbook. Praying for Jen's recovery. 🙏🏽❤
Jenn did NOT deserve this. Like she had some of the worst cast members in one season. I had a bad feeling about Devin since the beginning and I hate to see my intuitions come true. This was a pretty devastating end to a fairly uneventful season. Hakeem was definitely the light in the dark, he carried this season for me and he did not deserve all the antics they put him through.
This finale broke my heart fr. Jenn will always be my bachelorette!!! I hate what happened to her and I hope she truly finds someone who loves her fully and genuinely. I can't think of a finale where the lead cries as deeply as Jenn did. She deserved so much better.
Iam so disappointed in jesse , he was the only one i thought was decent person because he seemed to be nice to the leads, but he should have been so much more delicate with jenn.
I feel so awful for Jenn. Making her watch the proposal was just cruel. But the worst thing was that she changed her ways and chose someone who she thought would love her forever and put their all in to her, only for the rug to be pulled out from under her. Devin is lying scum. I hope Jenn finds her happiness and forever love as soon as she's ready again.
Halfway through Joeys season i said if joey sends maria home and production doesn’t make her the bachelorette whoever they did choose would be doomed from the start and unfortunately i was right. Poor sweet jen she deserved soooo much better all season but making her sit through that proposal was cruel and not entertaining at all.
My heart goes out to Jenn. Devin really pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes. Except Sam M ironically. I thought Devin was genuine and down to earth. Boy was I wrong! The only small red flags I saw was the ice cream incident (I thought he was playing games) and when I saw his huge friend group. Sometimes narcissistic people have a ton of friends because of their Insatiable need for attention. He broke up with her a month ago, which is when he was starting to get famous. I’m sure he thought he could land all the girls he wanted. So revolting!
Aaron and Thomas also had Devin's number. Jenn couldn't see it. Even after Devin had dumped her, she publicly humiliated Sam, giving him no credit for recognizing the manipulator.
So Devin played this show like a game to win? I mean, that's one way to approach it. Jen did not deserve this and I think she should get another chance on Bachelorette.
I started watching the finale but I could sense that things weren't going to end well, so I turned off the TV and waited for this BF video so I could see what happened. And "a train wreck" is a pretty darn good description of what happened. I wish Jenn well and hope that she does find someone who will not abandon her.
They did her so dirty when she was literally like do I have a choice? Such inconsiderate producers. And Devin like he was never honest, red flags everywhere.
I personally think that Devin decided EARLY ON, once he knew Jenn was the Bachelorette, and NOT Daisy or anyone else, that he was going to make the best of it and PRETEND the entire time of caring for Jenn (to make it a point to the other guys, that he COULD be the one!) AND went for the ride to have a LONG VACATION! He KNEW he wasn’t going to keep the engagement after the show! He wanted to keep all of his new clothes and be on tv for as long as he could! I found Devin to be slobbish…lacking class… and treating Jenn like trash right after the show ended, shows him to be a low down SNAKE. I feel such pity for the woman he finally does end up with! If he could do that to Jenn, what does he have in store for the next ladies in his life?! Jenn is so blessed this snake of a man ended as soon as he did! She deserves SO MUCH BETTER from a REAL RESPECTABLE Man! None of which was Devin!
1. I think they casted the show with men for Maria (however she turned the role down). That’s why I think they announced Grant when they did - too ensure they get women who want to be with him. 2. I wonder if Devin got caught up in the competition and the fiary tale of the show opposed to Jenn herself. I wish them all well.
Why can’t the lead choose the contestant? They could choose 10 or 12 and the rest up to producers. Never understood why producers/casting directors did all the choosing.
I feel so bad for Jenn. Having her watch the proposal next to Devin while she was bawling her eyes out was horrible to watch. Jenn deserves the world, and I hope Devin gets banned from all the social media platforms he wanted to make careers out of
Devin is a celebrity. It's not his fault that production made Jenn watch the final rose ceremony sitting next to the ex who had unceremoniously dumped her.
I'm dumbfounded. I have been team Devin throughout the whole series. He had so many people fooled. My heart hurts for Jen. she shared her fears and insecurities with him and he manipulated her and became those things to her. Hopefully now that his lack of character has been shown to the world he has a really hard time finding someone else to do this too. Jen is going to need a lot of time to heal. I really hope she find love. Also these recaps are genius. consolidates the drama so I don't have to watch the whole episode and sprinkles in hilarious additions. I hope you never stop making these!
You have my vote for best sarcastic comments; I have been belly laughing with your dry humor Thank You for being a realist & laying out the facts!!! 🏆🥇👊🏻👌🏻👏🏻
I did NOT expect this finale. Wow...I kept feeling like something was off the entire finale but I could NOT have seen this coming. And it was simply CRUEL of production to make Jenn watch that proposal in front of everyone and next to her ex. To be honest, both Marcus and Devin said NOTHING during the ATFR, Marcus just was let off the hook. NO ANSWERS were given. WHY did Devin's feelings change? Were they real? No idea. I can't imagine being Jenn right now.... Also, wish we could have discussed the allegations made against Marcus but that was never going to happen realistically. Just...what an awful ending. Honestly.
someone PLEASE pull a chantal from womack 2.0's season and set grant up on a blind date to save him from this nonsense. amazing (infuriating) how the show said it was gonna commit to protecting their leads of color only for them to royally fuck up with jenn's season. i feel so awful for her.
Even though I didn't have high hopes for Devin (I was convinced that Marcus was her first choice, but he wasn't up for it) and we've seen a similar ending, but still, I'm shocked. I thought it would have been Jen who broke things off because she would have realized that she wasn't 100%, but wow, I didn't expect Devin to be so wishy washy. I never felt the romance on this season, so I'm sorry for Jen, but I wasn't sold on them lasting... but still wow wow wow. PS. Following Maria means nothing. She did nothing to make Devin follow her and take everything back... so Let Maria out if this.
Know I wasn't able to do a season review the last couple of times but with the week break before Golden Bachelorette on the 18th... I'll have one out sometime next week. Ooph... this season...
I have been waiting all day to hear from you. That being said, must mean you are enjoying being a dad and husband/family man. WTG! Live your life. Pretty sure this story will go on for awhile, and sometimes its best to wait a bit anyway it seems vs early/first reaction.
You deserve a break after all the entertainment you had given us this entire season.
Oh man, I was as well waiting for this review… I feel for Jenn. I was dumped after spending NYE weekend with a guy I was seeing. He kept telling me how “happy” he was I was there and how “excited” he was for our relationship in 2023 the whole weekend. The boy then dumps me 2 days after I get home and tells me that he never lied after he telling me that he had “unsure feelings” about me BEFORE the weekend I went up for NYE. My heart goes out to Jenn. 💙
The guy is flabby
I was dying without you having a live stream last night! (I had to go on with Dave Neal and Reality Steve - not a fan of either! - but that finale was so jarring I couldn't go to sleep without chatting it out live with others). My take is that after the show, Devon not only realized he was not compatible with her for several reasons, but he likely talked to other guys from the season and started watching and hearing about what happened outside of his own story with Jen. Seeing how he was about Matt appearing and also Sam M and others, he seems to have an ego that may not have survived hearing and seeing the things he was encountering. I expect he's being silent because Jen is beloved and he doesn't want to say things like he heard she slept with multiple people or whatever (I'm only speculating). People saying he had no explanation isn't accurate because his explanation is he realized they weren't right for each other. It happens. Jen wanted to hold on, even so (and we know her MO is to try to make things work even when they're not healthy). He cut it off for both of them - for the better. I can't fault him for that. Jen didn't expect it, but it makes sense. They were wrong for each other or he couldn't handle the fact he wasn't her 1 and only. Imagine him seeing her love profession for Marcus? That was probably the final stray. I'm not saying I support how he broke up with her by phone or ignored her there following the break up, but I'm thinking he's just disgusted at this point by stuff he had to watch and hear about. AND, if he says any of that, it only makes Jen look bad and he was trying to be respectful. I actually approve of him being more silent and accountable last night. Sometimes you just realize it's futile to try to go on with the wrong person. Yeah, it was messy last night and I felt bad for Jen overall but wasn't necessarily thrilled with how she handled it live in front of an audience. It would have been better for her to speak calmly and not lash out at him. She was getting applause, but it lacked a level or maturity in my opinion and could have been more graceful. For Tino, we could all agree that his cheating was uncalled for and he was rightfully dragged through the mud. Perhaps Devon did some stuff too, but at this point all we know is that he realized they weren't right for each other and - even if you are engaged to someone who you only spent about 48 hours total with - I think it's understandable to call off a relationship if it isn't what you thought it was going to be. No matter what, it was brutal for them both to have to watch the proposals live on stage. I wish ABC would just go back to showing us the whole show, in order with no breaks for interviews, and then have a separate AFR. Last night was just sickening on all levels.
They really did Jen dirty throught the whole season. They picked the worst guys, most were emotionally unavailable, some didn't even want her as the lead. But the worst thing they did was make her watch her proposal was diabolical and cruel. That girl was sobbing and it seemed like production didn't care about her finding love, they only wanted drama.
I know right?? What happened to 'protecting the lead'? This was so brutal on Jenn. Production must take the L for this. This was a complete disaster
Exactly, worst possible men and making her re-watch that proposal, like wth
@@chileshek4892 I couldn't watch--shut it off
Not surprising franchise never know how to treat poc leads.
Jail. Straight to jail with all the producers
Having Jenn watch that proposal just might be the most cruel thing production has done in years
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Not really, I say it’s a great moment for her to look back on and say “that did happen!”
What?????
@@ThatGmoney They couldn’t have just shown it first and not made her watch it, sitting next to Devin no less?
Classless af
The producers.. and Jesse.. should be ashamed of what they did to Jenn. Devin is the biggest douche since Jed Wyatt.- and now we have to live with the fact that Sam M was right about Devin all along.
We live in a world where Sam M was right. Shit recognizes shit
@@chileshek4892 amen.
It's also a world where Devin did the most damage to the lead, but he did not suffer the public excoriation that Sam did.
fully agreed. it was like deja vu to Hannah Brown’s AFR with Jed, but worse.
at Hannah’s AFR, they brought up Tyler Cameron to “lighten the mood” after all the Jed nonsense. but for Jenn, they force her to recount her painful breakup and then RE-WATCH her proposal on live TV? beyond cruel. poor Jenn deserved so much better.
to be fair sam m and devin and one in the same sam is just not as good at lying about who he is these guys are disgusting
I'm glad there's a lot of backlash to them making Jenn watch the proposal, that was so cruel. Poor Jenn. She really deserved better than having a group of guys who expected someone else and then this disgusting end.
Agree 100%!!!
@@gradetrend8138 and he was looking at his watch when she was talking to him, he didnt care at all, what a selfish man.. i cannot believe he played that part and played her and her feelings like he did.. he was a real good fake, but i never liked him throughout the entire journey i never liked him.. he was always so sleezy.
Life is tough, grow a backbone or some balls, jesus talk about a weak far too sensitive generation these days. None of you understand the concept of an actual real hard life these days
I don't think even Netflix would be this cruel
@@gradetrend8138 Not sure, she even knew what she wanted, she was playing some of the men too
Being love bombed and dropped is one of the worst things to go through. Prayers for Jenn 😔
Narcissist behavior 100 percent....they only care for themself and will use anybody for their own gain.
I stand with you in prayer for Jenn
Yeesss Praying God will bring someone loves her for who she is and He will!!!!!
I pray she finds the Lord as well❤@@ryokokirchhoff782
Being love bombed is such a RED FLAG!
Devin just wanted to win the competition, and once he did he didn’t want the prize anymore
EXACTLY. JUST A COMPETITION TO HIM.
Yep- he’s a geeky guy, awkward and doesn’t have a good body. To him winning meant validation. That’s all he wanted.
I agree. That behavior should earn the season's designated villain award, instead of Sam oafishness.
He wanted everything that came with the prize...just not the prize itself.
Jenn was so bad tho she really wanted Sam M and Marcus and he was the last option and he realized it.
The fact that my first thought when she started crying was that Devin died was how much I didn't see this coming
Omgggg my thoughts exactly!
I did too, untill I realized that would have been on the news.
Well, when you realize the man you were in love with did not exist because he is nothing more than a narcissist, it feels like grief of a death to an extent, hence her reaction. I feel her pain, narcissistic discards are the worst. And yes, he did follow Maria to hurt her. Poor Jen. ❤
nooo because I thought the exact same thing 😭😭😭 I was literally thinking “how did they keep this a secret”
Same! I was sure this is what explained the sombre mood of the finale.
I think the majority of guys thought the bachelorette was going to be Maria or Daisy…..and were disappointed. They should have left right away, but they all wanted to travel and have fun for as long as possible. Sick! Sick! Sick! For making Jenn watch her proposal and then Jesse said it was so beautiful and no one can take it away from her? That’s supposed to make her feel better?
Fun at least through the fantasy suite
They should have taken the time to cast the men for Jenn (the way they are doing it for Grant). There would be so many guys whose type is Jenn. Having said that, I believe many of the guys from this season were very into Jenn. However, she repeated history again and chose the wrong ones, sending home the good ones like Jeremy, Spencer, Jonathon, Grant, Hakeem, etc.
What Jesse said was so inappropriate and so irrelevant that it doesn’t compute. No one offered her a hug up there that poor girl.
I can respect a guy that wants to get to know her and see how things go even to self-elimination, as long as they aren't stringing he lead along. I knew from the very first episode she didn't have a lot of good guys to choose from. What a mess.
@@ccrisc100 Yep totally...poor girl!!!
Showing the proposal AFTER the confrontation for Jenn to watch in front of a studio audience with the man who dumped her was completely unnecessary. They could have showed it then brought Jenn out and have the tell all. How gross. 🤢
The producers don’t care about anything except ratings and views
Exactly!!!!
The USA dating/love shows are more about drama than the actual purpose 😟
I feel like they could have just dropped the vid on UA-cam and people could go watch it if they wanted. Or at LEAST air it at the end of the night after Jenn has left the stage. Idk man I get that they wanted to use the footage but OH MY GODDDDD
Wait.. that’s what they usually do. They show the finale first and then bring out the lead. This episode was horribly planned out
Jenn was done DIRTY this season. She had nothing to work with, tried to be vulnerable despite it all, and got screwed over for it. I feel so bad for her🙁
Exactly this. Worst group of men ever.
She was and I can’t help but think this franchise may be coming to an end soon. When your first and second choices for leads turn down the job, you know you’re circling the drain.
Should have gone with Jonathan!
ABC and production should be ashame of themselves.
@@mol4805exactly….they can still get together.
This finale made me more upset than Arie's finale, production made so many choices to make this brutal for Jenn. It almost makes me feel like they had it out for her. It was gross. Devin breaking things off is its own thing, but they structure of episode and ATFR was nearly abusive and Jenn deserves better. The whole thing left me feeling upset and disgusted.
fully agreed. it was so cruel
Production also orchestrated the cruel public humiliation of Sam, who turned out to be less villainous than Devin.
@@Paul-te8gi apples and oranges...
I personally don't think Sam was any less villainous than Devin. He was just worse at faking it, so Jenn was able to catch on and dump him. Had Sam won, I think he would have treated Jenn every bit as badly as Devin did. Jenn never had a chance, with this cast of men that had so few good guys to begin with, and even those few good ones were expecting a white women so were too slow to warm up to her for the purposes of this show.
Yes totally 1000%!!!!!
I'm with Jenn. For Devin to be so over the top all season about being so in love then to pull the carpet out from underneath her is disgusting. Plus his attitude about the whole thing was not great either.
His explanation was so weird too - nothing tangible. Not that long distance was hard, or real life got in the way, or values and priorities became different, or rewatching the show and watching Jen prioritize other relationships (at the time) was hard. Nothing tangible. He just kept saying he "fell short of Jenn's expectations of him" - like what does that even mean? Devin is the worst. Jenn is heartbroken now, but she dodged the biggest bullet. She's lucky, she just doesn't know it yet.
@@janeryan2709Devin is the worst. But Sam got the villain treatment and public chastisement.
@@Paul-te8gi Sam M was kinda sucky too, so I hate that he was sorta right about Devin
For real. He went full Ted Moseby and it is DISGUSTING.
Jenn was not serious devin was annoying from the onset… how she chose him .. was shocking
This is the most upsetting ending ever. I feel like Devin is a textbook example of love bombing. The fact that they made Jen watch the proposal as she bawled on live TV is insane. Absolutely wild.
Agreed!
100% Ultimate Gaslighter
Quintessential narcissist
Yeah it’s what they do. It’s their supply. The best antidote is indifference and Jenn will get there
When Devin said on the first night, “my woman has to have her nails done,” I knew he was bad news.
Yessss just superficial bullshit. I was surprised she didn’t send him home the first night
He did? 😮
“My woman” he wanted Jenn to be “his” by winning the show
Same!! I hated Devin from the jump because of that comment. I actually stopped watching the show around episode 3 because it became clear to me that Jenn was going to choose Devin and I didn't want to watch that unfold. But even I didn't expect it to end this horribly for Jenn :(
The way they failed Jenn this entire season -from the casting, flying out that ex of hers, to showing that proposal - is downright EVIL and I'm legit disgusted by it!!
I know this has gotten a lot of people talking but as whose expense? Did Jenn's national humiliation really translate to higher ratings?
That smirk jeremy did was gross and very telling of his character.
@@olivergarrick1175 THANK YOU. It really made me mad watching him smile when Jen called Devin out. Like have some class, man.
Totally agree! True colors showing.
so glad she dropped him after hometowns LMAO
That wasn't a smirk, it was a full blown laugh
Jeremy’s been a snake. Saying he was there to defend “his brothers,” knowing full well how this all played out and that Marcus has SA allegations against him. Fucking trash
I cannot believe that they made Jenn watch the proposal
Yeah, she was like "do I have a choice?", and the answer is no lol
All about the ratings and money
and sitting besides Devin, to add to the trauma. *smdh*
ABC has always been scummy and tonight was just another notch in their belt.
@@NotInMYName_AntiZionistJewI couldn’t even imagine having to do that with my ex. My heart went out to her
I seriously may have watched Bachelorette for the last time. That was too cruel, making her sit through the proposal. No excuses for that cruelty. It may have been" a beautiful moment." But that all got erased when Devin backed out of everything he represented on the show. I really was convinced of their bond., and he threw it all away. He tossed Jenn away as if she were garbage. The show is garbage IMO.
Same
I object to Devin getting good edits all season when he deserved to be the villain.
Two sides to every story.. he could have realized what he got involved in turn around and ran in the opposite direction. She was on a Knicks podcast saying she was going to have Johnny's kids!!
Yeah I’ve been watching every season for over 10 years but I’m done.
@@evas1968Johnny as in Jonathon?!
And he said “i’ll never abandon you”
Some guys will say anything to a girl to get her into the famtasy suite.
Cleanly Devin lie to everyone including his own parents!
@@HyunlixHearts Devin clearly has issues seem kinda evil karma will catch him soon.
@@skbluee You said it! And I didn’t like him from the beginning, when he disrespected the other guys’ time. It never works out with the lead when they end up choosing the person at the end who doesn’t get along with the rest of the house
@@HyunlixHeartsso true!
When Jen said “Do I have a choice?” Before them playing the proposal… that felt so disturbing… I had captions on too… and the text “DO I HAVE A CHOICE” stayed on the screen for the first several seconds of the proposal…
Wow. Jenn was so honest about her insecurities on the show, and this is how it played out 😭 the bachelor is truly showing us they just want a dramatic show and DONT CARE at all about these people's emotions. WOW.
She was honest enough to be able to get Devon to let her go while Devon destroys his own life with his porn addiction. Jenn got saved due to her honesty. She will recover just fine!
Wow. Didn’t know! She really did dodge a bullet.
Devin is a classic narcissist: Love bomb then ignore!
Exactly!
yep this what a narc does they alway chose to destroy their prey.
💯!
Exactly! As soon as he got what he wanted, he immediately lost interest. He's probably moving on to his next victim. What a despicable phony and fraud he is.
It honestly makes so much sense why him and Sam M hated each other so much. Two narcs are almost always threatened by each other, but especially when one is smarter than the other. Sam M is a classic Narc who is also stupid, and Devin is one who is smart and terrifyingly good at masking. The stupid one was SUPER threatened by the smart one, and the smart one just manipulated the stupid one into self-destructing.
This was the most “UnReal” season of the Bachelorette ever and Jenn deserves so much more, I hope she gets a worthy forever
She is one bachelorette that I wouldn’t mind seeing in paradise.
Yes, the whole time I kept thinking UnReal really wasn't exaggerating how far producers on this show can go
I told my friends they need to see UnReal after this season to understand how diabolical production can be for "good" TV
Oh I loved UnReal. Could never watch a reality tv show after that though. Just recaps.
devin is the epitome of what it's like dating in your 20s 💔 jenn deserves the world I hope she's feeling all the love and support
So... he really was there for the wrong reasons? Yikes. I mean she did have a whole bunch of warnings, but the messenger was so trash that we couldn't believe him.
this 100%. sam had a whole host of issues that made him hard to believe -- how is he gonna sit there and say devin's not right for her or here for the wrong reasons when sam can't name a single thing he liked about jenn? they're just two sides of the same coin, which is probably why they both saw through each other so fast. not to mention aaron, who threw a grenade at jenn and said "figure it out" and hightailed it out of there. and now he's making jokes on instagram about "being right" when he hardly did anything to help her.
There were actually three messengers: Aaron, Thomas and Sam. Though they were right, they were villainized.
@@Paul-te8gi lol seems to me those three just got the edit they deserved based on their behavior (aaron's crypticness, thomas picking fights, sam m's complete inability to name one thing he likes about the woman he claimed to love). takes snakes to recognize snakes -- that's why they all clocked each other so fast.
Sam M is basically: Heartbreaking, the worst person you know just made a good point.
When all the other men don’t like someone in the house, it’s probably a red flag. I wish she’d considered that
I believe once Devin got home he realized girls who were once out of his league before the show were now in reach due to his popularity increasing because of the show. Devin dumped Jen to pursue those new women with his new popularity. What a smuck!
100% good point
Yes he wants to see what else is out there many fish in the sea
Yep, once he was compared to Pete Davidson…he wanted to have the same experience. He obviously struggled with his weight in the past, and now he’s getting attention he never had.
Interestingly, I don't think he will ever find someone as good as Jenn, someone who is beautiful, intelligent, caring, and someone who has given him her full heart. Everything is backfiring for Devin because no woman would want to go near him. He is simply a good talker. And poor Jenn had fallen for a smooth operator. The karma will come back to Devin, and he will know it when it comes.
@@laurasalva7256💯
I NEVER liked or trusted Devil. Something about the way he spoke bothered me. Jen didn’t deserve any of this. From the beginning of her journey, the whole we wanted Daisy/Mariah (I didn’t, I didn’t like either one), the lackluster group of guys, the constant great heights dates when she’s said she’s afraid of heights, etc.
Devin always looked like he was acting to me. As opposed to Sam M who just didn’t understand or experience the spectrum of human emotion. I hope she runs as far away from this franchise as possible and finds love in the real world.
💯
I always felt like he was trying to sell me a car
lolol about sam m!
Did ya’ll notice when asked what he loves about Jen it was all stuff about him? Like how she made HIM feel. No tangible ACTUAL things about HER.
@@AnActualGh0stYessss I immediately was like, if I were asked that question about my partner I could rattle off so many of his qualities that don’t involve me. Because you know, I actually love him
This man had the AUDACITY to see he never lied to her. One day I hope someone stops treating this girl like second best.
She’s being treated that way because of how she acts. She is an insecure bully. She needs to stop playing victim, stop bullying and take some responsibility for her actions.
@danamarie8718 who did she bully?
@@lolamolina4307 Devin. She asked a question and when he tried to answer she either interrupted him with a derogatory speech or she called him a liar. He, on the other hand, refrained from mud slinging.
@@danamarie8718you need to read the definition of a bully, you are ridiculous (is this bullying for you?)
@@danamarie8718She’s allowed to be angry after being treated like trash by him and publicly humiliated. I swear y’all wouldn’t be talking like this if she were wyte
I really think if The Bachelor went with casting more people who are in the 30-40 age range they’d see more genuine success. However, production likely wants majority 20-somethings because they’re more susceptible to their interference. Wish they prioritized the shows actual premise rather than gaining viewership from traumatizing contestants.
Also: I argue for the 30-40 age range because
1. More *likely* to have those difficult ideological talks that seem to plague the younger contestants
2. They’re *likely* to be more settled in life-but not necessarily tied down to where they live (something that the Golden Bachelor struggled with and may be an issue for the younger crowd in newer careers)
3. I’m Jenn’s age and the idea of being engaged to someone I’ve known for only nine-ish weeks? Scary!
They should remove the engagement part of it. Its too much pressure and a lot of them seem to pick wrong at the end.
That was brutal to watch!! The trauma that bonded them, reared its ugly head through Devin. Devin did to Jenn, what his father did to his mom. Like her father, he abandoned her emotionally and physically. I'm praying for Jenn's healing. I guess the vetting process is just be human and breathing atp🙄😒😩
I am praying for Jenn, too.
If we don’t recognize how deeply we are affected by our traumas we will most certainly repeat them. Devin probably subconsciously wanted justice on never feeling chosen when he was heavier too.
@@mariedaparellio5686 that is so true. Sometimes people turn into the very things that hurt them. I wish he would have ended things with more grace and empathy, instead of cold and brutal.
@@mariedaparellio5686That is no excuse to treat a person who loves him like he did. It was inhumane! His actions didn't erase his previous trauma and pain; there is no way to fix his past except to recognize it and be a better human.
Good point Devin was a repeat offender repeating or recycling his anger and pain. He was aggressive and irresponsible. The show ought to make him accountable for his disgraceful behavior!
Can't imagine this isn't going to negatively affect the franchise's ratings. It should.
Fr the whole concept should be about finding love but it's just now about drama, borderline abusive relationship and yeah it just sucks because production is fueling such behaviour so the bachelor and bachelorette to be seems more like a curse than something positive
This episode was hard to watch, I hate they made her rewatch it with him in front of an audience.
I hope Production will pay for her therapy for the trauma THEY caused!! Jenn needs healing before she can move forward with a healthy relationship in the future. This was criminal behavior on their part.
OH ABSOLUTELY!
THEY NEED TO COMPENSATE HER ROYALLY!!
Right because I noticed how much weight she has lost since even the men tell all…she’s traumatized and this was on national tv she’ll have to relive this for so long😢😢
Devin is such a clown!!!! Jenn deserves so much better
Devin is a skillful manipulator, which is what Aaron, Thomas amd Sam tried to warn her about.
Yeesss totally!!!!!
Absolutely karma will catch him soon
I’m not sure how any woman who dates Devin in the future who has watched this is going to be able to be in a fully trusting relationship with him. I mean, he had most of the viewers fooled and he had Jen fooled. The promises he made to the extent that he made them. It all seemed so genuine.. I don’t know how any girl is going to trust him after this.
Agreed. His word should be worthless.
I also think the guys who recognized early on how manipulative he is deserve some credit instead of the harsh criticism they have suffered - especially Sam.
I would never date him I'm sure millions and millions feel the same
@@Paul-te8gi Sam deserved all the criticism he got. Just because he was technically right about Devin doesn't change the fact that he's an arrogant jerk who went about it in the wrong way.
I am appalled about Jenn having to watch the proposal: that was despicable.
Agree!
this is so disappointing. first asian bachelorette, whoo hoo. and they couldn't even get guys who liked her. what the hell
I’ve never seen a reality show have a finale that was just… sad. No other way to describe it
I was literally screaming “WHAT!!!!” When they made her watch the finale and she said “Do I even have a choice?” Like wtf. We didn’t need to see it. Or more like she didn’t need to sit down and relive that moment. Extremely cruel.
It was so unfair. 😢
@@providencephelps1497 she signed up for a TV show. What did you expect?
Once I saw what Reddit dug up on some of these men I sorta checked out. This franchise attracts a particular type.
Making that poor girl watch the engagement again was diabolical
It was just plain cruel.
I have been looking forward to this all day..even more than the actual finale...!
This is a perfect example of throwing away morals for tv ratings. Having Jen watch the proposal and keeping it playing while she bawls her eyes out. It’s hard to support a franchise that is run by people who think that is ok.
They have shown the ‘proposal that didn’t last’ before the broken up couple sit down to talk every other season they have ended things, so why did they all of the sudden want to switch up the order this time? So cruel
They probably wanted to extract as much ratings as they could squeeze out. They certainly looked bad with how they exploited the situation.
Alexa, play The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived on repeat about this whole fucking season
Fr
Rachel sobbing through the whole confrontation between Devin and Jenn was so real. I hope she and Jenn can bond and support each other through these shit men and shit experiences.
@@グーブラ It felt particularly cruel to make her mom watch her daughter be publicly hurt and humiliated like that too
Fantake, I was reloading and reloading UA-cam waiting for this because WTFFFF
Justice for Jenn cause this show did her dirty!
It also did San dirty. He's a jerk, but he was right about Devin the deceiver. He was depicted as the designated villain, and publicly excoriated, while Devin got favorable edits.
@@Paul-te8gi But Sam was only right because trash recognizes trash. He knew he and Devin were both playing the same game. Devin was just more convincing at being a con artist. Sam deserved to be excoriated, although I agree that Devin got off way too easy.
@@Paul-te8gisam wasn't right, he was just picking on some rando who happened to be a douche. Jenn is a terrible reader of people and it'll continue to bite her in the ass.
Poor girl got to travel around the world and do over the top excursions. Boo boo.
Devon was giving off pure Narcissistic vibes the whole season for me. The whole episode of him crying to make her tell him she loved him was just a manipulative ploy to move ahead of Marcus in her eyes.
This is the first time they were not exaggerating this being the most shocking and dramatic ending.
Devin: I’m ready for marriage
Jenn’s family: You need more time
Marcus: I need more time
Jenn’s family: That’s unacceptable
One was honest and got sent home. The other was dishonest and won.
Thank you. She bullied Marcus into saying “i love you” then left
that's not it though. the issue with Marcus was how he felt about her. not just if he was ready for marriage. he wasn't even falling in love with her. how could they get engaged?
@@ScipioAmericanus2012 now that's just stupid. bullied? she was breaking up with him. she didn't ask him to say it. he chose to as a last minute save myself clutch move. it backfired. some of you are delusional and crazy. bullied. ridiculous
@@ScipioAmericanus2012She didn’t bully him lol she was trying to figure out if he really wanted her. I wish she’d sent him home weeks prior, or that he’d left
Poor Jenn, she deserved so much better.
Devin was a different person. I hate when they love you one day,and hate the next. I felt all of that with her. Woof
That was his mask. He just wanted to win
I wonder if Devin is bipolar.
@@laurasalva7256 Really hope we don't stigmatize bipolar disorder here. That's not what bipolar disorder looks like. It looks like Devin just wanted to win "the prize" for his ego/validation, and once he did, he instantly lost interest in Jenn because he's cruel and never cared about her feelings.
@laurasalva7256 Nope, probably just narcissistic. He loved bombed her, devalued her, then discarded her. This is straight from the narcissist playbook. Praying for Jen's recovery. 🙏🏽❤
Jesse should’ve offered his seat to Jen. ALSO!! THE KNEE TOUCH?????
I KNNOOOOWWW I WAS PISSED THAT HE TOUCHED HER KNEE LIKE DONT TOUCH HER!!!!
Jenn did NOT deserve this. Like she had some of the worst cast members in one season. I had a bad feeling about Devin since the beginning and I hate to see my intuitions come true. This was a pretty devastating end to a fairly uneventful season. Hakeem was definitely the light in the dark, he carried this season for me and he did not deserve all the antics they put him through.
This finale broke my heart fr. Jenn will always be my bachelorette!!! I hate what happened to her and I hope she truly finds someone who loves her fully and genuinely. I can't think of a finale where the lead cries as deeply as Jenn did. She deserved so much better.
Well she looks like she wouldn't love her man unconditionally cause women don't love there men for real or unconditionally
Devin deserve more than Jenn cause she is a crybaby and looks like she will not love her man unconditionally
@@chris-gx7rsMen like y’all really wonder why you’re single 😂
Iam so disappointed in jesse , he was the only one i thought was decent person because he seemed to be nice to the leads, but he should have been so much more delicate with jenn.
He was an ass on his own season and gave his so-called winner Jessica a plane ticket in the finale to NY. What a winner 🤮!
@@lb6056 im not surprised jesse palmer is basically Chris Harrison in sheep clothing.
This finale was brutal.
I feel so awful for Jenn. Making her watch the proposal was just cruel. But the worst thing was that she changed her ways and chose someone who she thought would love her forever and put their all in to her, only for the rug to be pulled out from under her. Devin is lying scum. I hope Jenn finds her happiness and forever love as soon as she's ready again.
"Devin is lying scum." Yet he wasn't the season's designated villain who got publicly excoriated.
@@Paul-te8giDude, they all suck
Yes! We were on such a high watching her send Marcus home and stick up for herself, only to have this happen
I don't even know what the point was of having Devin there because he gave absolutely no answers.
And Jesse was less than zero help with that.
Omg I’ve been waiting all day for this
Halfway through Joeys season i said if joey sends maria home and production doesn’t make her the bachelorette whoever they did choose would be doomed from the start and unfortunately i was right. Poor sweet jen she deserved soooo much better all season but making her sit through that proposal was cruel and not entertaining at all.
I was waiting for your recap!!!
Mark was the best part of this finale. Everything else was infuriating.
I hope Jen gets some therapy. This would be such a destabilizing experience.
Maybe she and Sam could go to therapy together. ;)
@@Paul-te8gi And Marcus; that guy needs some help too.
My heart goes out to Jenn. Devin really pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes. Except Sam M ironically. I thought Devin was genuine and down to earth. Boy was I wrong! The only small red flags I saw was the ice cream incident (I thought he was playing games) and when I saw his huge friend group. Sometimes narcissistic people have a ton of friends because of their Insatiable need for attention.
He broke up with her a month ago, which is when he was starting to get famous. I’m sure he thought he could land all the girls he wanted. So revolting!
Aaron and Thomas also had Devin's number. Jenn couldn't see it. Even after Devin had dumped her, she publicly humiliated Sam, giving him no credit for recognizing the manipulator.
So Devin played this show like a game to win? I mean, that's one way to approach it.
Jen did not deserve this and I think she should get another chance on Bachelorette.
I was expecting that to happen but no.
Several guys saw how manipulative Devin was, but Sam got depicted as a villain for sounding the alarm.
She'll have her time on Paradise for sure!
I don't think that she'd put herself through that again. I hope that she finds an incredible man who is right for her.
I LOVE Jenn, but I really hope she stays away from this franchise. This franchise clearly doesn't care about her.
I started watching the finale but I could sense that things weren't going to end well, so I turned off the TV and waited for this BF video so I could see what happened. And "a train wreck" is a pretty darn good description of what happened. I wish Jenn well and hope that she does find someone who will not abandon her.
I wish I had turned off the TV!
They did her so dirty when she was literally like do I have a choice? Such inconsiderate producers. And Devin like he was never honest, red flags everywhere.
I personally think that Devin decided
EARLY ON, once he knew Jenn was the
Bachelorette, and NOT Daisy or anyone else,
that he was going to make the best of it
and PRETEND the entire time of caring
for Jenn (to make it a point to the other guys,
that he COULD be the one!) AND went for
the ride to have a LONG VACATION! He KNEW
he wasn’t going to keep the engagement
after the show! He wanted to keep all of
his new clothes and be on tv for as long as
he could!
I found Devin to be slobbish…lacking class…
and treating Jenn like trash right after
the show ended, shows him to be a low
down SNAKE. I feel such pity for the
woman he finally does end up with!
If he could do that to Jenn, what does he
have in store for the next ladies in his
life?! Jenn is so blessed this snake of
a man ended as soon as he did! She deserves
SO MUCH BETTER from a REAL RESPECTABLE
Man! None of which was Devin!
My jaw was on the floor
1. I think they casted the show with men for Maria (however she turned the role down). That’s why I think they announced Grant when they did - too ensure they get women who want to be with him.
2. I wonder if Devin got caught up in the competition and the fiary tale of the show opposed to Jenn herself.
I wish them all well.
Your film clips are hilarious! Thanks for taking the time to find the PERFECT ones to highlight the episode!🤣
That was so cruel to Jenn, like my heart hurts for her ❤
Same.
Why can’t the lead choose the contestant? They could choose 10 or 12 and the rest up to producers. Never understood why producers/casting directors did all the choosing.
I feel so bad for Jenn. Having her watch the proposal next to Devin while she was bawling her eyes out was horrible to watch. Jenn deserves the world, and I hope Devin gets banned from all the social media platforms he wanted to make careers out of
Devin is a celebrity. It's not his fault that production made Jenn watch the final rose ceremony sitting next to the ex who had unceremoniously dumped her.
I'm dumbfounded. I have been team Devin throughout the whole series. He had so many people fooled. My heart hurts for Jen. she shared her fears and insecurities with him and he manipulated her and became those things to her. Hopefully now that his lack of character has been shown to the world he has a really hard time finding someone else to do this too. Jen is going to need a lot of time to heal. I really hope she find love. Also these recaps are genius. consolidates the drama so I don't have to watch the whole episode and sprinkles in hilarious additions. I hope you never stop making these!
Today it was announced on Good Morning America that Joey and Jenn will both on dancing with the stars
Good for them.
ABC’s covering themselves after realizing we don’t like seeing women treated like garbage
At least Marcus was honest
The fact that she said “Do I have a choice?” Made me cry 😭
It scares me that a lot of time i cant recognize narcissistic behavior
Sam recognized it.
@@Paul-te8giBro go slide in his dm’s and save these comments 😂
It’s scary for us all!!!!
OMG I've been DYING for YOU to post about this. I'm was shook off the entire episode
The 'I hope you're hungry for nothing' clip sums it up nicely
i was legitimately refreshing youtube for the past 15 min straight hoping for this upload
Im emotional drained after that episodes.
I've been dodging spoilers all day waiting for your recap
What’s crazy to me is that they shamed Tino unfairly but Devin gets absolutely no blowback and then production tortures her.
Production also tortured Sam, who clearly did less damage to Jenn than Devin.
Exactly! He only kissed that woman, and the rage he got was horrendous.
@@Oceangirl_505 Yeah, I think that unlike Devin, Tino was genuinely confused.
@@Oceangirl_505 You don't really believe that's all that happened do you?
Unfairly? Tino was trash, Devin is trash. And Tino cheated
You have my vote for best sarcastic comments; I have been belly laughing with your dry humor
Thank You for being a realist & laying out the facts!!!
🏆🥇👊🏻👌🏻👏🏻
I wanted to throw my bucket of popcorn at the TV with Devin. His love bombing just continued while on stage.
He's a disgusting phony and fraud.
His aim all along was just to WIN THE CONTEST! That was evident from the beginning!
Whew! I no longer watch the season, but come to UA-cam when it's all over. This premise has jumped the shark.
Your recaps are fantastic- thank you for all the entertainment. : )
Booooo Devin is a CLOWN 🤡🤡🤡 Jenn deserves so much better!!! Hoping that she and Jonathon rekindle things bc they are literally so cute together
I did NOT expect this finale. Wow...I kept feeling like something was off the entire finale but I could NOT have seen this coming. And it was simply CRUEL of production to make Jenn watch that proposal in front of everyone and next to her ex. To be honest, both Marcus and Devin said NOTHING during the ATFR, Marcus just was let off the hook. NO ANSWERS were given. WHY did Devin's feelings change? Were they real? No idea. I can't imagine being Jenn right now.... Also, wish we could have discussed the allegations made against Marcus but that was never going to happen realistically. Just...what an awful ending. Honestly.
Devin , wearing shorts,
to visit Jenn's family
seemed like he didn't care.
Yes, he looked so sloppy & disheveled!
I made a comment about this last night while watching. At least Marcus put a nice button up on.
That's a good point and something I overlooked.
He always looked disheveled with his oversized polos
if you omit the word "like" in your comment, it's a haiku
You didn’t mention Jesse roasting Devin with keeping his promises 😂
He didn’t roast him nearly enough.
@@SAKILE1 I don’t disagree 😂
Devin got off easy compared to Sam - the guy who early on recognized what a manipulator Devin is.
@@bink9797 👍🏼
@@Paul-te8gi true but that’s because they’re two sides of the same coin 🪙
was waiting for your take on this, such a distasteful, upsetting, and disappointing season on everyone but Jen’s part :( she did not deserve this
someone PLEASE pull a chantal from womack 2.0's season and set grant up on a blind date to save him from this nonsense. amazing (infuriating) how the show said it was gonna commit to protecting their leads of color only for them to royally fuck up with jenn's season. i feel so awful for her.
Totally agree
Yes, they treated her horribly from Day 1.
Even though I didn't have high hopes for Devin (I was convinced that Marcus was her first choice, but he wasn't up for it) and we've seen a similar ending, but still, I'm shocked. I thought it would have been Jen who broke things off because she would have realized that she wasn't 100%, but wow, I didn't expect Devin to be so wishy washy.
I never felt the romance on this season, so I'm sorry for Jen, but I wasn't sold on them lasting... but still wow wow wow.
PS. Following Maria means nothing. She did nothing to make Devin follow her and take everything back... so Let Maria out if this.
I really don't think it's a big deal that he followed Maria either. Don't all the bachelor people follow each other?
@@Varaidzo1it was the day after they broke up though 😭
Not letting him propose was a mistake.