True, for the report. But as I know personaly, when you find an artefact, there is always the thought, 'Why can't you tell me the story?'. It's the thrill that keeps you going back to digging and researching.
Hey Sistah. Thank you deeply. I'm a descended of peoples from the Congo Basin (50% according to a chart) and I too "see it" in their faces, albeit of many variations. I didn't realize that such a substantial percentage of Central Africans had been drawn into slavery, even though I was aware that West Africa's labor pool begin drying up - so in demand was their flesh - that captors did move further inland and south, wherein my ancestors lived. (In a few years, I'll order another report to see if the results come back the same. Evidently, more data keeps coming in as more tests are done to get a global picture of our genetic story - humans, that is). Africa of course is huge and lacks the extensive road system we enjoy stateside and in Europe, so naturally, it's not easy to hoof it through getting to remote villages, but it certainly expands knowledge. I hope they never give up.
Great series. @TheBritishMuseum I recommend that you get in touch with the Museum of Northern Arizona, and see if any Hopi or Dine scholars could share an object of crisis!
Me ha gustado mucho, en España hay un refrán que dice nunca te acostaras sin aprender algo nuevo. Hay mucho sentimiento en las palabras de la señora, impresionante 🇪🇸
Yes it was all about money. The black slavers who sold their brothers and sisters to white traders did very well. Why is that fact not picked over and dissected, or is that not part of the narrative ?
The scale of plantation was enormous. Demand for free labour created the slave market to unprecedented levels. Transportation by boat brought new levels of human suffering. This was overseen and managed by self declared civilised Christian nations.
@@tentringer4065 historically almost all advanced societies throughout the world had some level of slavery at one time or another. Regardless of their religion or lack thereof.
Bonnie makes some interesting points here. I never thought of musical instruments as tools to live, even though I play several instruments myself. Also, her point that African Americans were unshackled not to liberate them but to thwart the southern economy is new to me, but makes totally (cold hearted) sense. Thanks for this upload, British Museum!
That was so interesting. It’s amazing what feelings such a little artefacts can trigger. Bonnie Greer seems a very interesting woman who can teach us a lot about slavery and how people feel about it.
In my head, as Bonnie speaks, I can hear the silent ship. Creaking in the waves. And see the broken drum (skin came from the US, right?). Mentally, I see one recently free person, not knowing all that is going on, take this item, place an end on a beam in the ship, and tap the end, once twice, in time with the motion of the ship. That wood tap would sound different to people who live close to the land. And another person, trapped and frightened, taking comfort in the sound. Knowing they are not alone. I know I shouldn’t place my feelings in an artifact. My experiences are not accurate to an object whose history has a huge unknown past. But I saw this so clearly, I had to share. ✌️ It’s beautiful. And when I saw it, and heard it was found in the US, I knew it wasn’t local to the indigenous people here. It’s nothing like I’ve seen built here. It’s beautiful (I know, I said it twice).
Y'all must read abd research well.... What you call red Indians indigenous to the America land is actually AKANS. We dominated all over the world... The mayans and other empires in Americas are akans. Most African Americans are not from slavery because were there before Columbus /jesuit persecution. Ancient Egyptian were dominated by Akans. TUTANKHAMEN is TUTU ANKOMAH. AKHENATEN is Akenteng, Oteng, amoateng, boateng. SIAMUN is nsiammu. KUFU is Akuffu or kuffour and Ghana current president is nana addo dankwah akuffo-addo. The old testament is about Akan culture and you'll find Akan names all over. 🇬🇭🇬🇭🇬🇭
Bonnie Greer should definetly be brought back for more videos. Her comments are incredibly insightful and keen, and she brings such a different perspective to the British museum that I love hearing from.
The Benin bronzes have to go to the land of their creators. I grew up in the streets of Benin City where different forms of art are visible through the stories that have been passed down through oral tradition. The people of Benin have heard the oral history of the work of their fore fathers -Benin bronzes and the physical works should have never been stolen from them. The least that can be done at this stage is to give the Binis back their wrapper.
I have enjoyed these videos so much, thank you for doing this series.🙏🏾 I did not know that on slave ships women were made to get up and move. I thought ALL were chained down. I can guess the other reasons women were kept...available.😒 It's very...telling(?)...especially with we're (US) going through right now to see that from the VERY beginning white men were scared of black men. They kept THEM chained down & one the reasons they were able to keep them in those chains... was the gun. Just...wow.
No drummers were involved in this production..... I hoped to hear more about the artefact. The skin has probably been replaced several times and the design, I think, is still current in West Africa and nothing like any other native American drum. No other drums are shown for comparison. Could do better.
This episode is most remarkable to me in a way that it binds history with today as explained by mrs. Greer. The other episodes take us back to the past, the origins of the object and tell a story from those days. In this episode, although the corona pandemic and the origins of afro-american people being brought from Africa to North America as slaves are totally unrelated crisis, you might say the position of many unvoluntary immigrants (the slaves) and new age immigrants (puorto ricans, mexicans etc) today is still a form of crisis: It is still necessary to emphasize that black lives matter. And that Akan drum is the connecting element from history into today, as beautifully, wise and passionately explained by Bonny Greer. Thank you, thank you.
Bonnie Greer's claims are entirely speculation and have no foundation whatsoever. Predictably, Hartwig makes no attempt to validate her claims. It is well documented that many Native Americans owned African slaves but of course they aren't going to discuss that.
As a Canadian, this was the best summary of US History - especially the Civil War basis in economics and flow of the money to a state's gdp Thank you ❤️🇨🇦❤️
I agree with some of what she said, but she completely discounted the Haitian Revolution where slaves and descendants of slaves did more than remember, they took action and claimed their freedom. The British Museum needs to return the objects stolen when the British were brutally creating their empire. Those stolen objects don't belong to them.
@@heenanyou because much of the british museum's original catalogue is famously stolen. they purchase artifacts today, but denying documented history to feel less like "a bad guy" is transparent and foolish.
@@99IronDuke agreed, the total absence of factual evidence in this woke narrative is staggering, the British Museum should be ashamed of itself for pushing such utter nonsense.
I agree, this is a much more likely scenario, ports visited by foreign ships are full of ‘craftsmen’ selling ‘authentic’ artefacts for souvenirs. There’s no evidence slavery was involved at all. My parents have an African drum they got on a trip to Kenya, will future historians push some ridiculous totally fictional explanation for how it got to where it is now?
The Benin Bronzes are very fascinating pieces and also a sad tale as basically the civilization that made them got wiped out. I highly recommend people to look them up as there little of what we have of the Benin civilization.
That's a lie. The descendants of the Benin civilization still exist, they are Nigerians. Those objects need to be returned. The British and other European powers tried to exterminate African peoples and cultures, but they did not succeed. That is why remembrance is important. We are still here!
Benin was so civilised that it’s entire economy was based on slavery and its iconic city ‘wall’ was made of mud and destroyed in a day by a few soldiers.
I think that’s doubtful. Why would a European person care to replace the skin of a drum picked up as a souvenir and why would they use an indigenous type of drum skin? Given the sacred nature of these drums for Akan-speaking people, I think it’s much more likely that the drum was used and care for by West Africans.
Benjamin Cefkin Perhaps because deer skin was widely available and used for clothing and many other purposes by the Europeans? Perhaps the original skin deteriorated from age or rot, and it was replaced much later to maintain its appearance for the display collection of the European gentleman mentioned
Ben Leydon You can find the history of the object online. It was collected directly from slaves’ belongings in Virginia. Again, I think it’s highly unlikely that the drum was brought by a European as a souvenir, re-skinned by that European, then given to slaves to use before being collected by Hans Sloane.
There is the problem. The artifact won't tell you the story. Much as you wish they could, dosen't stop the imagination working though, all part of why people search .
“We mustn’t descend into fantasy” is a brilliant summation of scientific and archeological neutrality.
True, for the report. But as I know personaly, when you find an artefact, there is always the thought, 'Why can't you tell me the story?'. It's the thrill that keeps you going back to digging and researching.
Except the British Museum repeatedly descends into fantasy by pushing ‘woke’ narratives onto their artefacts.
Man, I had to watch this twice. I really have to take a trip to the British Museum.
Hey Sistah. Thank you deeply. I'm a descended of peoples from the Congo Basin (50% according to a chart) and I too "see it" in their faces, albeit of many variations. I didn't realize that such a substantial percentage of Central Africans had been drawn into slavery, even though I was aware that West Africa's labor pool begin drying up - so in demand was their flesh - that captors did move further inland and south, wherein my ancestors lived. (In a few years, I'll order another report to see if the results come back the same. Evidently, more data keeps coming in as more tests are done to get a global picture of our genetic story - humans, that is). Africa of course is huge and lacks the extensive road system we enjoy stateside and in Europe, so naturally, it's not easy to hoof it through getting to remote villages, but it certainly expands knowledge. I hope they never give up.
Great series. @TheBritishMuseum I recommend that you get in touch with the Museum of Northern Arizona, and see if any Hopi or Dine scholars could share an object of crisis!
Me ha gustado mucho, en España hay un refrán que dice nunca te acostaras sin aprender algo nuevo. Hay mucho sentimiento en las palabras de la señora, impresionante 🇪🇸
Yes it was all about money. The black slavers who sold their brothers and sisters to white traders did very well. Why is that fact not picked over and dissected, or is that not part of the narrative ?
The scale of plantation was enormous. Demand for free labour created the slave market to unprecedented levels. Transportation by boat brought new levels of human suffering. This was overseen and managed by self declared civilised Christian nations.
@@tentringer4065 historically almost all advanced societies throughout the world had some level of slavery at one time or another.
Regardless of their religion or lack thereof.
@@froggleggers1805 slavery is not only wrong, it is unsustainable and self destructive.
@@TheTutch I see, it's about guilt transference. Not really a counterbalance to the scale of the slave industry and the slave economy is it?
Can't wait to get in the museums again... But not till we get our bill gates vaccination.. Can't wait
This was empowering, educational, moving, and beautifully articulated. Thank you!
This was one of the most heartfelt and illuminating episodes in this series so far. Wow.
Bonnie makes some interesting points here. I never thought of musical instruments as tools to live, even though I play several instruments myself.
Also, her point that African Americans were unshackled not to liberate them but to thwart the southern economy is new to me, but makes totally (cold hearted) sense.
Thanks for this upload, British Museum!
@@TheTutch Göôd point.
Remembrance,
they are talking to me,
the Akan drum plays me
Thank you Bonnie...
Cried my eyes out xX so emotive
That was so interesting. It’s amazing what feelings such a little artefacts can trigger. Bonnie Greer seems a very interesting woman who can teach us a lot about slavery and how people feel about it.
agreed - I'm also wondering why Greer avoids the term diaspora.
In my head, as Bonnie speaks, I can hear the silent ship. Creaking in the waves. And see the broken drum (skin came from the US, right?). Mentally, I see one recently free person, not knowing all that is going on, take this item, place an end on a beam in the ship, and tap the end, once twice, in time with the motion of the ship. That wood tap would sound different to people who live close to the land. And another person, trapped and frightened, taking comfort in the sound. Knowing they are not alone.
I know I shouldn’t place my feelings in an artifact. My experiences are not accurate to an object whose history has a huge unknown past. But I saw this so clearly, I had to share. ✌️
It’s beautiful. And when I saw it, and heard it was found in the US, I knew it wasn’t local to the indigenous people here. It’s nothing like I’ve seen built here. It’s beautiful (I know, I said it twice).
Is anyone here because of Penn Foster's world history class ?
yup
Y'all must read abd research well.... What you call red Indians indigenous to the America land is actually AKANS.
We dominated all over the world... The mayans and other empires in Americas are akans.
Most African Americans are not from slavery because were there before Columbus /jesuit persecution.
Ancient Egyptian were dominated by Akans.
TUTANKHAMEN is TUTU ANKOMAH.
AKHENATEN is Akenteng, Oteng, amoateng, boateng.
SIAMUN is nsiammu.
KUFU is Akuffu or kuffour and Ghana current president is nana addo dankwah akuffo-addo.
The old testament is about Akan culture and you'll find Akan names all over. 🇬🇭🇬🇭🇬🇭
Bonnie Greer should definetly be brought back for more videos. Her comments are incredibly insightful and keen, and she brings such a different perspective to the British museum that I love hearing from.
The Benin bronzes have to go to the land of their creators. I grew up in the streets of Benin City where different forms of art are visible through the stories that have been passed down through oral tradition. The people of Benin have heard the oral history of the work of their fore fathers -Benin bronzes and the physical works should have never been stolen from them. The least that can be done at this stage is to give the Binis back their wrapper.
This is one of the finest of these talks you have broadcast. Thank you so very much.
Ms. Greer is an awesome teacher. Thank you for the lesson.
I would like to hear more about slave ships that got turned around.
"The defiance of erasure."
Bonnie Greer rocks.
I have enjoyed these videos so much, thank you for doing this series.🙏🏾
I did not know that on slave ships women were made to get up and move. I thought ALL were chained down. I can guess the other reasons women were kept...available.😒 It's very...telling(?)...especially with we're (US) going through right now to see that from the VERY beginning white men were scared of black men. They kept THEM chained down & one the reasons they were able to keep them in those chains... was the gun. Just...wow.
No drummers were involved in this production..... I hoped to hear more about the artefact. The skin has probably been replaced several times and the design, I think, is still current in West Africa and nothing like any other native American drum. No other drums are shown for comparison. Could do better.
Okay that explains the deer skin.
Great upload! Thanks so much.
Eloquently spoken. Informative
Fascinating and timely ! Bravo
I have a drum that came back from north africa in the 40s I would like to have someone look at
Looks more primitive than the akan drum
ㄒㄈㄒ.台語經常是國語不同的文字拼湊.女人說黑寡婦蜘蛛交配後.吃掉她老公.而男人說不能讓黑寡婦蜘蛛的女苗有機會長大.這是男尊女卑的主因.那麼男女適合結婚同居嗎?許多人都知道.柑橘柚子的表皮油脂.能溶解保麗龍.被稱為絲耗.{台語經常是國語不同的文字拼湊.} .而在人體有阻塞溶解時.會有瞬間的愉悅感及止痛效果.也因此柑橘柚子的皮.與阿斯匹靈的原料相似.常被作為安眠止痛藥的原料.而泡酒稱為香檳老酒.有許多外國人說常在海面撿到成熟的柚子文旦及其他水果.而將損傷處切除.熬煮加工後.藥名稱為海落嬰.後來因來源交代不清.被送毒品罪..據說柚子文旦的皮也稱為麻黃素.製成藥劑後.有去除黑斑的效果.不曉得是否真實?我覺得毒品包裝.就像老欉的文旦.薄薄的果肉.很貴.甚至懷疑毒品會不會是用老欉文旦製造的?早期公務員說.糧食價格上漲.所以要求加薪.那麼糧食價格下跌.公務員是否應該調降薪資呢?
This episode is most remarkable to me in a way that it binds history with today as explained by mrs. Greer. The other episodes take us back to the past, the origins of the object and tell a story from those days.
In this episode, although the corona pandemic and the origins of afro-american people being brought from Africa to North America as slaves are totally unrelated crisis, you might say the position of many unvoluntary immigrants (the slaves) and new age immigrants (puorto ricans, mexicans etc) today is still a form of crisis: It is still necessary to emphasize that black lives matter. And that Akan drum is the connecting element from history into today, as beautifully, wise and passionately explained by Bonny Greer. Thank you, thank you.
I’s love to meet her someday. Such a ray of sunshine...
Bonnie Greer's claims are entirely speculation and have no foundation whatsoever. Predictably, Hartwig makes no attempt to validate her claims. It is well documented that many Native Americans owned African slaves but of course they aren't going to discuss that.
Forest, trees, whatever. ;)
As a Canadian, this was the best summary of US History - especially the Civil War basis in economics and flow of the money to a state's gdp
Thank you
❤️🇨🇦❤️
brilliant! thank you.
That's amazing. Thank you.
I agree with some of what she said, but she completely discounted the Haitian Revolution where slaves and descendants of slaves did more than remember, they took action and claimed their freedom. The British Museum needs to return the objects stolen when the British were brutally creating their empire. Those stolen objects don't belong to them.
They may have been purchased. Why do you think they were stolen?
@@heenanyou because much of the british museum's original catalogue is famously stolen. they purchase artifacts today, but denying documented history to feel less like "a bad guy" is transparent and foolish.
Virginia it comes from repaired by enslaved people who may have been born in Virginia history is complicated and multinational
Incredible episode
Incredible in the sense of utter made up nonsense, certainly.
@@99IronDuke agreed, the total absence of factual evidence in this woke narrative is staggering, the British Museum should be ashamed of itself for pushing such utter nonsense.
@@fredbloggs5902 glad you gave it your attention and interaction for the algorithm to promote it to others.
@@urloudandwrong The more people exposed to this blatant nonsense the better, they’ll see it for exactly what it is.
I hope to find more history about this drum
Yes, maybe it did not come over on a slave ship. I don't know why they assume that.
@@heenanyou It did actually
@@Knowledgeseeker567 Are you going to tell me how you know that?
@@heenanyou There is a book that describes were the drum was found in Virginia.
@@Knowledgeseeker567 That doesn't mean it came over on a slave ship. It could have gotten there some other way. Maybe we will find out some day.
This could have been bought by a slaver a keepsake ther eis no evidence that it belonged to slaves...
I agree, this is a much more likely scenario, ports visited by foreign ships are full of ‘craftsmen’ selling ‘authentic’ artefacts for souvenirs. There’s no evidence slavery was involved at all.
My parents have an African drum they got on a trip to Kenya, will future historians push some ridiculous totally fictional explanation for how it got to where it is now?
@@fredbloggs5902 absolutely right.
Fontomfrom
The Benin Bronzes are very fascinating pieces and also a sad tale as basically the civilization that made them got wiped out. I highly recommend people to look them up as there little of what we have of the Benin civilization.
That's a lie. The descendants of the Benin civilization still exist, they are Nigerians. Those objects need to be returned. The British and other European powers tried to exterminate African peoples and cultures, but they did not succeed. That is why remembrance is important. We are still here!
Benin was so civilised that it’s entire economy was based on slavery and its iconic city ‘wall’ was made of mud and destroyed in a day by a few soldiers.
Or it could have been a souvenir picked up by a European?
I think that’s doubtful. Why would a European person care to replace the skin of a drum picked up as a souvenir and why would they use an indigenous type of drum skin? Given the sacred nature of these drums for Akan-speaking people, I think it’s much more likely that the drum was used and care for by West Africans.
Benjamin Cefkin Perhaps because deer skin was widely available and used for clothing and many other purposes by the Europeans? Perhaps the original skin deteriorated from age or rot, and it was replaced much later to maintain its appearance for the display collection of the European gentleman mentioned
Ben Leydon You can find the history of the object online. It was collected directly from slaves’ belongings in Virginia. Again, I think it’s highly unlikely that the drum was brought by a European as a souvenir, re-skinned by that European, then given to slaves to use before being collected by Hans Sloane.
Benjamin Cefkin ah ok, that wasn’t made clear in the video.
There is the problem. The artifact won't tell you the story. Much as you wish they could, dosen't stop the imagination working though, all part of why people search .
Much tosh in this.
Yes, a decent amount of tosh.
@@heenanyou stay maf
your projection is tosh.
What do you mean
More cow bell.
Just decided to stay in the PJ's today I see
Good but they showed the drum, which is what I came to see, for just a few seconds. Do they really need to see their own faces so much?
it's an interview about green's chosen object and its significance for her. you can see photos online if you're so pressed.