It’s sad that they are left out of the “modern cannon” period. I mean classic is just supposed to be a younger sonic and co not a different dimension like it’s become now.....
@@awesomeocelot7475 yeah they have so much potential The Hooligans and Ray and Mighty should have been reintroduced in Sonic Heroes and become nice days there a lot of ideas I have to make it work
@@awesomeocelot7475 my idea mighty and ray is that they would be in the team with knuckles for Sonic Heroes. Amy will replace Knuckles in team Sonic no team rose. There's a reason for this that I could go more into if you want. The reason why they're not with the chaotix is because of a fear Mighty has of his strength and ray getting hurt. This could lead to potential character Arc where he accepts his strength and rejoins the chaotix with ray Mighty characters similar to is Archie counterpart do he is way more overprotective of ray and he's not an adventure. He also finds technology fascinating Ray is completely different tho: he's an energetic person wants to be cool and and wants to be a fighter (which is something Mighty doesn't want for him) he's not very smart and doesn't like technology. Ray goal to prove that he's a competent fighter to mighty so he can be reunited with the chaotix who he sees as a potential family. Also ray actually apart knuckles chaotix game.
I'm pretty sure Knuckles was never part of Chaotix, It was just Knuckles AND Chaotix. Like he met up with them while protecting the master emerald somewhere/somehow.
One thing worth mentioning is that Vector is the only Sonic character outside of the already established in the world to show up in the Sonic Boom TV show. The secret sauce that killed Mello in the Archie comics is called Lemon Sundrop Dandelion or LSD. Before the Reboot in the comics Charmy was captured by Eggman and was subjugated to his Egg Grape chamber which caused him those some of his memory and his mind to revert to that of a child's.
Really good video, man. BTW, at SXSW 2019, Iizuka confirmed that the Classic era games still took place in the same timeline where the Adventure era and other Modern era games happened. Oh, also, Sonic Racing’s bio on Classic Sonic states he’s a younger Sonic from older times and Tails Doll made a cameo on a Sonic Colors Ultimate promo poster, hinting the Classic-Modern divide may be ending soon.
Just found that out like 2 weeks ago, so excited to know the alt dimension nonsense is done. Same thing with the 2 worlds thing that said the humans lived in another world.
@@masterprick1 Its exciting, we can rest well at night, knowing that SEGA is listening to the fans and accepting there are directions and characterizations we reject to a point where they're changing them. Now, if only they can revive Team Dark as a real team and move Shadow back to a softer but still somewhat edgy Dark Hero with a heart of gold as Maekawa intended him to be.
Knuckles Chaotix being deemed as non canon makes me uncomfortable if I'm being tbh. I personally like Knuckles better as the hero of his own story moreso than the backup of Sonic's team, especially with his devotion to the Master Emerald, and it would've been perfect for him to have the Chaotix as his posse. I definitely agree with you, I wish there was more connection with him and the Chaotix
I agree the lore is confusing and it makes more sense and I see all the games as taking place in the same universe, adventure kinda confirms this by referencing the classic games.
I'm very guilty of omitting certain details from time to time. 😂 And honestly, there was enough to cover to have a separate episode for each member of the Chaotix, which in hindsight, I might totally do at a later date
Apparently it was just a misprint in the west, he was always supposed to be 6. I guess it’s another instance where the west messed something up again lol.
Great video as always man! Lol I totally remember messing around with rpg maker back in like 2002 as a teen, good times! That's so cool that the creator finished the game and still has his website up. Vector is my favorite of this bunch, he reminds me of a Donkey Kong character too lol
I wonder who would ever spy on a chameleon. ( if your confused TheMentok said that espio means i spy so if you say espio the chamelon then your basically saying i spy the chamelon )
Did you really just skip over Charmy getting brain damage and than saffron being MURDERED? And Julie Su didn’t get snapped away from the reboot. Her and Safron were MURDERED before the Super Genesis Wave
I still count kunckles chatiox as canon it makes sense and I like the idea that kunckles and the chatiox's have a great bond and long time freinds. Btw great video it was super funny like always.
I like the in-depth look on such characters and simply hear things like 'incidents' and the sorts occur. Is there something of a proper affiliation description of the characters somewhere? I wonder how it comes to that the characters become partners or even how they possibly befirend each other.
It's always been interesting how these characters came from the classic era, yet people know them more for their modern appearances and unlike Amy who was also a character who debuted in the classic era but got more focus in the modern one, not many people seem to acknowledge the Chaotix's classic selves despite them being some of the oldest reoccuring Sonic cast and their appearances in the comics of the day. Notably, they haven't appeared in any modern classic Sonic media such as Mania, outside of Espio apparently making a cameo in the 30th aniversary comic, supposedly due to SEGA seeing them as "modern" characters despite how they aren't really, and perhaps having to do with how their appearance from Heroes onward is supposed to be more of a "reimagining".
Could you imagine if eggman made Heavy and bomb like the kindest,nicest most respectful robots ever but just made their designs VERY poorly in order to impede the chaotix for the hell of it?
one very notable thing about charmy in the archie comics canon is that uh. he was written according to his age in the english knuckles' chaotix manual (aka 16, which was a mistranslation, as he was meant to be 6 from the beginning). so when sega started to pay actual attention to the comics (mostly after the whole ken penders debacle), all characters had to now line up with their in-game counterparts, and charmy had since been re-established in all regions as a 6 year old. so what did head writer ian flynn do to fix this? he gave charmy brain damage to the point where his mind had regressed to a childlike state. yeah... things in the archie comics got interesting for lack of a better word
I was bummed out that I never got to play Knuckles Chaotix. So I was happy to see(some) of the old crew return back in Sonic Heroes. Ever since the trio of detectives became my favorite characters in the franchise. 😁
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Wow I love it
You're giving us all the sonic origins before origins even releases 😭
I keep forgetting that game exists 😂
Sad that Mighty and Ray were left out the chaotix it would have been cool to see them more
It’s sad that they are left out of the “modern cannon” period. I mean classic is just supposed to be a younger sonic and co not a different dimension like it’s become now.....
@@awesomeocelot7475 yeah they have so much potential The Hooligans and Ray and Mighty should have been reintroduced in Sonic Heroes and become nice days there a lot of ideas I have to make it work
@@fnaf2isthegoat75 yeah totally. Honestly Team Hooligans could work as cool Anti-heroes and rivals like the Babylon Rogues
@@awesomeocelot7475 my idea mighty and ray is that they would be in the team with knuckles for Sonic Heroes. Amy will replace Knuckles in team Sonic no team rose. There's a reason for this that I could go more into if you want.
The reason why they're not with the chaotix is because of a fear Mighty has of his strength and ray getting hurt. This could lead to potential character Arc where he accepts his strength and rejoins the chaotix with ray
Mighty characters similar to is Archie counterpart do he is way more overprotective of ray and he's not an adventure. He also finds technology fascinating
Ray is completely different tho: he's an energetic person wants to be cool and and wants to be a fighter (which is something Mighty doesn't want for him) he's not very smart and doesn't like technology. Ray goal to prove that he's a competent fighter to mighty so he can be reunited with the chaotix who he sees as a potential family.
Also ray actually apart knuckles chaotix game.
@@fnaf2isthegoat75 that’s an interesting idea.
The sonic extended universe is so interesting. I just want to know all about the characters and the world they live in
EPIC VIDEO, i love your videos.
I'm pretty sure Knuckles was never part of Chaotix, It was just Knuckles AND Chaotix. Like he met up with them while protecting the master emerald somewhere/somehow.
One thing worth mentioning is that Vector is the only Sonic character outside of the already established in the world to show up in the Sonic Boom TV show. The secret sauce that killed Mello in the Archie comics is called Lemon Sundrop Dandelion or LSD. Before the Reboot in the comics Charmy was captured by Eggman and was subjugated to his Egg Grape chamber which caused him those some of his memory and his mind to revert to that of a child's.
Really good video, man. BTW, at SXSW 2019, Iizuka confirmed that the Classic era games still took place in the same timeline where the Adventure era and other Modern era games happened. Oh, also, Sonic Racing’s bio on Classic Sonic states he’s a younger Sonic from older times and Tails Doll made a cameo on a Sonic Colors Ultimate promo poster, hinting the Classic-Modern divide may be ending soon.
Just found that out like 2 weeks ago, so excited to know the alt dimension nonsense is done. Same thing with the 2 worlds thing that said the humans lived in another world.
@@masterprick1 Its exciting, we can rest well at night, knowing that SEGA is listening to the fans and accepting there are directions and characterizations we reject to a point where they're changing them. Now, if only they can revive Team Dark as a real team and move Shadow back to a softer but still somewhat edgy Dark Hero with a heart of gold as Maekawa intended him to be.
Knuckles Chaotix being deemed as non canon makes me uncomfortable if I'm being tbh. I personally like Knuckles better as the hero of his own story moreso than the backup of Sonic's team, especially with his devotion to the Master Emerald, and it would've been perfect for him to have the Chaotix as his posse. I definitely agree with you, I wish there was more connection with him and the Chaotix
I always forget how important the Chatoix were in the Archie comics. Thanks for the shout out bro!
I agree the lore is confusing and it makes more sense and I see all the games as taking place in the same universe, adventure kinda confirms this by referencing the classic games.
I’m kinda upset you didn’t mention Charmy getting brain damage in the Archie comics, that’s how they changed his age from 16 to 6
I'm very guilty of omitting certain details from time to time. 😂 And honestly, there was enough to cover to have a separate episode for each member of the Chaotix, which in hindsight, I might totally do at a later date
Apparently it was just a misprint in the west, he was always supposed to be 6.
I guess it’s another instance where the west messed something up again lol.
Wth is with charmy and having dark lore.
@@chadgorosaurus4898 he’s a little prick, that’s all you need to know
3:32 What is the source of this!? This is a monumental find if official!
Great video as always man! Lol I totally remember messing around with rpg maker back in like 2002 as a teen, good times! That's so cool that the creator finished the game and still has his website up. Vector is my favorite of this bunch, he reminds me of a Donkey Kong character too lol
Reminds me of edgy 2002 kids
@@yytyyy5329 lol
Love your content. And I'm going to play the mess out of that Chaotix fangame.
I read the description and left a comment as you told me too.
A true supporter
@@TheMentok yep!
@@TheMentok honestly your one of my new favorite sonic channels. Along with Johnny Vector
Noice. I hope you do Honey The Cat one day.
He is
@@inversewheel3558 My response --> ua-cam.com/video/f4G2dvtgVaY/v-deo.html
@@bigmacsama yeah he confirmed doing honey on his 2nd lego sonic stream
@@inversewheel3558 hurrzay
Vector remind me of larry from spongebob
I’ve never made this connection 😂
Way past cool man
I wonder who would ever spy on a chameleon.
( if your confused TheMentok said that espio means i spy so if you say espio the chamelon then your basically saying i spy the chamelon )
Charmy was from the sonic manga and I somehow already knew that
Way past cool
Also That SEGA Vault would also Contain Cosmo, The Freedom Fighters, Metal Knuckles and Marine the Racoon
Majin Sonic: Amateurs.
Did you really just skip over Charmy getting brain damage and than saffron being MURDERED?
And Julie Su didn’t get snapped away from the reboot. Her and Safron were MURDERED before the Super Genesis Wave
2:47 Bro, have you seen the Super FX chip?
Yes hype
LMFAO at the Sonic Ecchi part with Idris. "All characters are depicted as 18+"
And now the Origens can end (maybe) and start with a different series(also really like your content keep up the good work
I still count kunckles chatiox as canon it makes sense and I like the idea that kunckles and the chatiox's have a great bond and long time freinds.
Btw great video it was super funny like always.
Wow
What up man
Eh! Sonic heroes!!!🤩 Espio is so cool!
20.4.22
Yes. Yes, do the Archie comics. They are a goddam mess and I fucking love them for it!
It’s been a wild ride going through some of those comics so far!
If you've sean Fang the Hunter, I think it recanonized Knuckles Chaotix, By having th Hooligans visit the Island the game took place on.
Great video as always Mentok!
Blaze The Cat next? :)
I like the in-depth look on such characters and simply hear things like 'incidents' and the sorts occur. Is there something of a proper affiliation description of the characters somewhere? I wonder how it comes to that the characters become partners or even how they possibly befirend each other.
It's always been interesting how these characters came from the classic era, yet people know them more for their modern appearances and unlike Amy who was also a character who debuted in the classic era but got more focus in the modern one, not many people seem to acknowledge the Chaotix's classic selves despite them being some of the oldest reoccuring Sonic cast and their appearances in the comics of the day. Notably, they haven't appeared in any modern classic Sonic media such as Mania, outside of Espio apparently making a cameo in the 30th aniversary comic, supposedly due to SEGA seeing them as "modern" characters despite how they aren't really, and perhaps having to do with how their appearance from Heroes onward is supposed to be more of a "reimagining".
Wat about tangle and whisper origins story???
“I’m sure you guys knew that they were next”
Me who’s never watched any of TheMentok’s previous videos: “My dude, I just got here…”
This is awesome
Could you imagine if eggman made Heavy and bomb like the kindest,nicest most respectful robots ever but just made their designs VERY poorly in order to impede the chaotix for the hell of it?
one very notable thing about charmy in the archie comics canon is that uh. he was written according to his age in the english knuckles' chaotix manual (aka 16, which was a mistranslation, as he was meant to be 6 from the beginning). so when sega started to pay actual attention to the comics (mostly after the whole ken penders debacle), all characters had to now line up with their in-game counterparts, and charmy had since been re-established in all regions as a 6 year old.
so what did head writer ian flynn do to fix this? he gave charmy brain damage to the point where his mind had regressed to a childlike state.
yeah... things in the archie comics got interesting for lack of a better word
You need to orgin oracle video for Walter because he was in tails sky patrol
I just watched a video of a chameleon eating a bee, before watching this
Good. The algorithm is doing its job 😂
@@TheMentokI purposely searched it up
*find the computer room*
I dont dislike the new chaotix but damm why did sonic team had to butcher the classic ones
That band consist of that rabbit, monkey, and chicken was they Mina Mongoose's band?
what about boom vector
Do Mario
what is the background music in the beginning?
i doubt it is "Jewel's theme" cause i found that song, under that name
Heyo, I've been following for about a month now. Love your channel, and content :D
I'm just glad they ditched those weird shoulder-circles on Vector is later designs.
Great work man
This is an amazing video
but can we get a video on Cream and Cheese, they are truly an iconic sonic duo 😭
yooo I always wonder chaotix origin thx!
i walked threw a mirror because i didn't think it was there... 😂 oops 😬
Vector had like the almost normal backstory
The oldest is shadow the hegehog the ultimate life form
I was bummed out that I never got to play Knuckles Chaotix. So I was happy to see(some) of the old crew return back in Sonic Heroes. Ever since the trio of detectives became my favorite characters in the franchise. 😁
Remember that time Charmy became brain damaged?
"Are you guys still listening?" I was literally moving my thumb to rewind, because I wasn't. Something sounded interesting.
Funniest group
I love Espio
Funny asf as always. 😏
jesus how many members ae there in chaotix
Eleven (Knuckles, Vector, Espio, Charmy, Mighty, Ray, Heavy, Bomb, Julie-Su, Saffron, and Archimedes)
You forgot to mention rivals 2 where espio teams up with silver to stop a planet destroying dragon
Hey wasn't jet the falcon a part of the team I swear I saw him in the team
We need more chatoxic figures
5:14 Shogaku Gonsensei Comics :
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